Session 118: Charlize Theron

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0:26Hi, pussies. Welcome back to Therapist. I just got out of the shower, which is why my hair is looking a little messy. It's a little wet. I feel like I need a little bit of a haircut is now what I'm realizing. Well, it's just me for the intro today. So I'm trying to think of what to say. I'm in, well, I've been vintage shopping lately in case anyone is curious. Manny knows. And this is a vintage shirt that I bought. And I'm really pumped about it. and my entire closet is full of vintage stuff now. So I can't wait to feel like a vintage girl. My stomach hurts. My back hurts. My back kills actually.

1:08And it's gotten to the point where I can't tell if my back actually hurts or I'm just making it up at this point because I have an addiction now to feeling like the little knot in my back right there and like rubbing my fingers off. often on it. So I wonder if this is just what my life is now. I feel like maybe I gave myself a back problem because I really, my back was hurting really badly the other day. And then I put on a hoodie wrong and it was like the most, like it made the most sense for how it happened for me. I was watching a basketball game. I was watching these men sweat and like fight over this ball, like for two hours, like falling, jumping, all this stuff.

1:55I'm literally just sitting. All of a sudden, I put my hoodie on to get up and leave. Back pulls. I felt like, of course, you know, I didn't even, and then these men do this every day. So if you're new here, this is not usually how things go. I usually have a friend with me. Oh, I guess, well, today is technically Wednesday, so I'm going to New York. Wednesday night, which is tonight. I'm so excited. We're recording some fun therapist episodes. And I'm just excited to be in the city in the spring. Like, New York really is at its best in May. And I cannot wait to be able to experience it. Although I am trying not to drink right now, which I keep failing at.

2:40But I'm really, really going to try this weekend to not drink. And if I come out of this weekend without having drank, I will be so proud of myself. But I am smoking every day. And I am realizing that the weed is making me incredibly paranoid. I had a moment the other night where I thought I was schizophrenic because when I was watching television, my sound was off. So when people were speaking, the sound of people speaking was off to the actual audio. And then I was like, you know what? Fuck it. I'll just watch it on my computer. but then I convinced myself the same thing was happening on my computer.

3:16So I was like, oh, it's happening. The big man's here. Like, I'm schizophrenic. Because it's like, if you know, you know, like, that's my number one fear, schizophrenia. And I, um, sorry. Like, what are you talking about? I'm enjoying it. Because Manny sees me. Like, Manny understands everything I'm saying. And by the way, the fear of schizophrenia is a real OCD thing. and I will not have anybody come up on here and tell me otherwise. I'm allowed to be scared of things. How's your reading going? Okay. Well, you know what? Shout out Kindle. I have a really hard time, and this is not a sponsor. My nightlight doesn't display enough light in order for me to read.

3:59So Kindles, like, really make it easier because, like, they light up in the dark. And, yeah. But I've been reading Fame Sick by Lena Dunham, which is obviously amazing. Like, you know, that's my queen. So, but I'm reading a little bit every night on my Kindle. Like, I was really trying to go for, like, the rustic look of the book. But, like, I couldn't. I couldn't. I had to go with my Kindle. So, I'm reading a little bit about every night. I actually just started Imperfect Woman. Anyone seen? It's very good. It's Elizabeth Moss, Kerry Washington, Kate Mara. It's very good. It's giving, like, all her fault vibes.

4:35very soapy very like you start and it jumps right in which is what I needed um it puts me to bed um okay I don't know if you guys can tell but like I kind of have a new closet going on can you tell yeah I have a new closet going on actually let's get Matt on the phone I wonder if he's realized that I have a new closet going on hello have you noticed that I have like a new closet going on? A new what? A new closet going on? What do you mean? Like new clothes, have you noticed? Like all Ann Taylor and stuff? What? Like Ann Taylor? Stuff like that? Ann Taylor? No. What are you talking about? Oh, I thought that's like what you were saying, like you got Ann Taylor shit or something.

5:26What? How? Huh? What? What did you say? I said, have you noticed I got new clothes? I guess. What are you doing? Nothing. I just picked up my phone. I broke it today. Oh, so you, that's actually funny. So you broke the phone today? Like really early this morning, yeah. So then why were you using that as an excuse for not responding to my text all weekend? I wasn't feeling too good this weekend. So why couldn't you just say that instead of I broke my phone? Well, I did break my phone. This morning. What does that have to do with anything? I texted you asking why you weren't speaking to me this weekend, and you said I broke my phone.

6:08You just told me you broke it this morning. I mean, I don't know if any of that's really relevant, to be honest. What do you mean? Like, that doesn't really make any sense, like, what you're saying to me. No, exactly. It makes no sense. That's why I'm bringing it up to you. Right. Right. Okay, well, love you. Love you. Love you, bye. Oh my God, sweets and snacks. We decided we're going to EDC now the night before. Yeah. No? What? What? So I thought we were going to EDC for Vegas and apparently we're not going to EDC for Vegas so I have to break the news to everyone. Hi. Hi. Pup, we're not going to EDC anymore.

6:53Okay, why? Because we can't. Why not? We can't go to EDC anymore. Nobody cares. What happened? Are you canceling the sweet text? No, I can't. He's canceling EDC. I mean, why do you think I didn't answer once in the group chat? In no world were we going to EDC. I was so dumb. Oh, my God. Everyone needs to shut up. We're disturbing Chooch's peace. What happened is that Jake was manic last night and screaming that we're going to EDC. I didn't answer because I knew we never were. So he's canceling something that I never thought I was attending. Okay, everyone say sweets and snacks on three. One, two, three.

7:38Sweets and snacks. Yes. My back, you guys. Oh, it's like I want to live my life. All I want all day long is to have somebody just going into the knot in my back like all day long. All day long. I want to wake up face down and have someone say good morning and start kneading my back. And then just like take a break when I have to go pee or eat lunch and then continue kneading my back. That's what I want all day long. Just this one spot. And it like hurts. But it feels like when you're poking a gum. Like, you know, when it hurts but you're like, ugh. But I guess gums don't need to be poked and backs need to be.

8:19So we're going to sweets and snacks in Vegas. everyone's super excited see the thing is though I don't know if we're gonna go out and I don't think they know that and so I feel like I'm kind of bamboozling everybody to come to Vegas and they're like like what are we gonna do I think we should go out really on a Monday in Vegas is that Tuesday do things happen on Tuesdays in Vegas are you sure I do think we have to go out Are clubs going to be open on a Tuesday? Something's going to be open.

8:55Because you know the club going up.

9:02Oh my god, that's really funny. I mean, they have that song for a reason, clearly. Tonight we have on Charlize Theron, whose new movie Apex is out now. It's amazing. I got the chance to watch it. And obviously, Academy Award winner, icon. actress extraordinaire. She's everything. I was so honored I got to talk to her. You can literally hop over from Therapist to Apex because we're both on Netflix. Ba-dum. And she's a fellow Housewives fan like me. So enjoy the interview. Happy Wednesday. I love you, pussies. Hi, pussies. Tonight we have on something I never thought I'd say, but Academy Award winner, Charlize Theron.

9:43Aw, thank you. Thanks for being here. Thank you for having me. This is actually, remember when we met at the Tate McRae show? Yes. Did you enjoy the show? I did. My girls were there. They absolutely loved it. Yeah, we're fans. Have they seen any of your movies? Yeah, I actually saw Apex because they were out for most of it. The shooting of it in Australia and they came out was during summer. No, it was summer or spring break. I can't remember. No, it was, I can't remember. But they came out. there was like a school holiday attached to it and they loved being in Australia where we shot they really like just love the experience of being out in the wilderness and they they for the first time ever they got some jobs um they were assistants on the set they would kind of like help out and get coffees and I put them to work I was like right if you're gonna be you're gonna keep asking me what my job is I'm gonna make you have a job where I have my job but they were really loving it and so when the the rough cut came around I was like do you guys want to watch it with me and they're like no mom and then I turned it on and they started watching and then they just couldn't stop watching it and it was truly one of my favorite moments because my 14 year old who's not at all impressed by me and always gives me kind of like a look of like did you just fart sat next to me and she was just like she got so she's like why is Sasha doing that what that's my character that i'm like why is that what no sasha can't do that mom i was like you were there you know what the story is about like why are you so i knew that we were onto something because they were even like fully engaged and forgot that it was mom they actually totally forgot that was mom up there oh so you must have felt like i did i did i did something cool you know the best the the biggest compliment was they said the movie feels really short mom It did feel short.

11:36Did it? Yes, very short. Oh, look at that. You guys have something in common. That's a good thing. I know. How long is it? I don't know. It's like two hours almost, right? It's a little less. It felt very short. But it feels because it has such an engine, right? Yes, excellent. Oh, thank you so much. You liked it? I loved it. Oh, thanks. And I loved it even more when I discovered that you do most of your own stunts. I do most of my actions. I feel like stunts are like crazy things, like throwing yourself down a staircase. So off a building, like I don't, I don't do that stuff, but I, I like doing action because I feel like good action movies make the physical stuff be part of the storytelling.

12:17It's not compartmentalized. It's not like the movie stops. You have some action and the movie picks up again. Right. Um, and so I do, I feel like if you want to make a movie like that, you have to really kind of engage in all of that stuff. What drew you to the script initially? I thought that there was a lot of potential when I originally read it it was the characters were different um but the the premise the idea was so straightforward you know like you're just like right in page 10 she's already in the wilderness she meets this guy he ends up being a serial killer and he starts chasing her and I just loved how simple that concept was didn't feel contrived to me and like plot driven um and then we just really spent a lot of time developing the characters but I just loved the two-hander aspect of it getting to work that intimately with another actor and coming up with some really good um I think psychological scenes that makes the movie more like a psychological thriller action thriller slash action thriller so I think of it more almost psychologically than action.

13:29You've been in a lot of like action movies throughout your career like is there something about them specifically that draws you to them? I've been lucky enough to develop most of the action movies except for Mad Max Fury Road but Atomic Blonde I developed from eight pages of a comic book and so that we really I really developed that movie for myself and the same with the old guard films i did definitely i wanted to i was like if i'm going to make some action movies i want to make some really good ones and so i really kind of took it into my own hands yeah the same with this one i really wanted to like make this something really special well it is very special thank you i'm so excited for everyone to see it do you like these kind of movies?

14:18I like the ones that you're in. Oh, that's nice. Good answer. Thank you. I actually rewatched Monster. Okay. And I forgot how much it scared me as a child. Oh my God. That's right. You saw it as a child. Oh my God. I'm so old. No, no, no. I mean, I, and I, what I could think about after finishing it was, well, there were so many things I was thinking about, but you won best actress for it at the Academy Awards. What did that feel like the morning after? I was hungover. I remember, such a stupid vivid memory, but I remember like turning around and on my nightstand were false eyelashes, five million dollars worth of jewelry and my silicone boobs.

15:08Just all stacked up in a pile and I was like, it was a good night. Did you feel any type of like, like pressure to do like Monster 2.0 next award season? Or was there just, or were you able to ground yourself? It's definitely challenging because you do feel like there's a lot of eyes on you. But, and I was, you know, I was young. I was 27. There's definitely this feeling of like, like every step feels like it could be the wrong step. and then, you know, it's something that you can't control. You have to just kind of, you have to watch that you don't start doing movies because people are kind of encouraging you to make them and you're not going by your own creative instinct, you know, which is something that I've just always trusted.

15:57Because then also if the movie doesn't work and it fails, you've done it on your own terms and it's something that meant something to you. Right. um but it's hard for sure that I I did not necessarily I liked that doors opened like all of a sudden directors who I admired wanted to meet me and like all of these things weren't happening before like I loved all of that because I could see that this was going to be something that changed the trajectory of my career and I was really excited about that but the other aspect of it of like what is the thing that she's going to pick and how I just knew people were going to have opinions around it and I didn't like that part of it I know I feel like that only happens with female best actress yeah you know winners there's always that discussion like when Mikey Madison won for Enora it was like well what's she going to pick next what's she going to pick next that's so interesting that you notice that because I think it's true too I really do I feel like women get such an unfair shake there's a lot of like oh you don't want to do what this person did but it's like like why not like not every movie is a gonna be a success like no actor has one success after another right but i agree i feel like women have definitely a harder time especially when they're young yeah because people love an ingenue yeah and they just want to like make sure they mold them into however they want are you a young girl i feel like you really understand i feel like you understand i grew up around women all my best friends are girls so i have sisters no i have a younger brother okay but my mom and i are best friends and i grew up around my whole team is basically woman and so i know but you have like a sensitivity like a like a innate understanding that is not like i know a lot of people who have that but they don't do you have like a you tuned into it it's really nice oh yeah i like it thank you yes really nice well yeah i just wanted to ask you about that because i was like i wonder what she felt like picking that what next project did you pick for 2004 it was a film called Ian Flux okay yeah and it ended up actually being a film that really um it changed my my life in a not so great sense I um herniated a disc in my neck doing a back handspring and I landed on my neck on a on a concrete bridge and I I almost paralyzed myself and it was like day 10 on the on like a really long shoot of this movie and they had to shut the movie down and I was I was in a lot of pain and um they were like you have to finish the movie let's take six weeks off like do some PT and like we'll see how it goes and there's like a good chance because you're so young and you're fit and you're healthy that your body will absorb this disc and long story short I I got myself healthy enough to go and finish the movie but from that time for the next eight years I I suffer from severe chronic pain neck pain um oh my god I'm I had no idea I'm so sorry no it's it was truly truly one of the like when you when you deal with pain for eight years I I have I I don't really I can't describe it any other way than just it's so fear-based because you're just waiting for the next thing that's going to set your neck off and lock it and you're going to be in bed for five days right and at first it was like oh because I did that big workout and then it became like I just reached for the towel to dry my body and my neck is out right so um I had a neck fusion done um where there's a a metal plate kind of holding my two.

19:48And then a year ago I had the one right above it, it replaced not with metal, but just with a disc replacement. So now I'm bionic. I can do anything with my neck, but that movie really caused a lot of hell for me. Oh my God. I, when I asked, I had no idea. I'm so sorry. No, it's totally fine. I mean, this is your job. You're doing a great job. Thank you. Well, what are you therapist about today? I feel like I'm angry about something, but I don't know if I want to share it. But like I had some dental work done and I'm not very happy with my mouth right now. And I'm not happy that my doctor told me that I would a week ago be fine and I'm not fine.

20:26And I don't understand why doctors don't just tell us truthfully what's going to happen. Why do you think that is? Because they want our money. Oh, you think it's that? Yes. Because if they actually told me this, I would have said, no, I'm not going to do this right now right because i know i have stuff coming up and he knew it because i told him and he was like i gotta sucker her in right now because she might not come back and so yeah i'm not i'm not very happy with this guy right now he's like he'll be fine are you kidding me you never told me that it was going to be like a certain amount of like having stitches i was like why would you not share this information with me right i went from my post-op and i was like you never said any of this to me and he's like oh no no no no it's okay i tell you now yeah but that doesn't make it okay you should have told me the first time i saw you you have to get a new doctor i think so too i think i got bamboozled is this a dental yes i have someone for you okay great i love it he's been great for me okay and they all the la doctors love to sucker money out of people i think so too they love to sucker money in ways that i haven't seen because i grew up in new york and i never saw this no and also by the way when i go on location sometimes and i like have something that comes up in a medication or or i go and see a doctor what they what you end up paying like i'm like the cost the difference between this and la we're suckers yeah we're suckers we're absolute suckers we're just like people like completely complacent take my money you could sell me like water for 50 and I would buy it.

22:01It's all of us. Yeah. All of us. Yeah. Because what if, right? Don't you have that feeling where like, I know it's a scam, but what if? Always what if. Always what if. What if this changes my life? What if this water is like actually biblical? Yeah. Like I will literally buy anything. So crazy. What's the craziest thing you've ever bought that you've been like, why did I buy that? Oh my God. A lot of stuff. Let me think. I bought a, I bought a, a back. I thought it was a back massager with a heater on it. And I bought it and it came, it must have come from London because it had the wrong plug on it.

22:39And so I couldn't try it. But I sent it to an electrician to change the plug. And it was this whole thing, like getting the American plug put on. I spent so much money putting this fucking plug on it. And then I plugged it in and it doesn't massage. It's just a heating pack. I basically put I spent a hundred dollars to put a plug on something that I could have done with a water bottle right that sucks we're idiots yeah read the small print yeah that happened to well one time I bought a bought a jacket to Canada because I was uh doing a job in Canada um and I was leaving Monday I don't know why I bought it on a Friday so I was like obviously it wasn't get there i guess i didn't know that tariffs existed and so i had to ship it back to the u.s which cost two thousand dollars what yes to ship one jacket from canada to the u.s because of tariffs isn't that insane not only that then i had to get it tailored most expensive jacket ever but you know what i get compliments on it every time i wear it so i don't give a fuck it's worth it it's worth when i was in new york wearing it this one everyone's like i love your jacket and I was like, you don't know what that means to me.

23:49Yeah. Because I went through hell and back to get this jacket. I'm going to be homeless next week, but at least my jacket looks good. Exactly. I love it. Do you base yourself out of LA almost entirely? Yeah, I live here and my kids are based and they have schools here and they have their own lives. They're both really into dance and they're really good. but they're on a competition team. And so it's very, I mean, I'm basically like doing this, selling a movie, and then I'm an Uber driver, just like driving them from ballet to school, to home, to Chick-fil-A, to whatever they need, you know? Right.

24:30Do they communicate with you via text message or via Snapchat? Okay. I am so glad you brought this up because I really hope my 14-year-old is listening to this. why don't you ever fucking text me back what is that they all use snapchat i did not know so i have to snapchat have to snapchat them it's it's what i've learned my friend's kid is like only like i only i messaged my mom and i was like what they only use snapchat for everything okay my 11 year old is still really good she's very like she's on it she's very i think i'm holding her back She's like ready to move into an apartment. She can like, she's good to go.

25:14Somebody thought that was really funny. But my 14-year-old, even I like start threatening her. I'm like, I will take your iPad away. She still doesn't reply back. When's her birthday? She's a January baby, but she's just so aloof. She's like, I was on mute. I was like, no, it wasn't. Like, I can see. I can see that you're on it.

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28:08Thank you SeatGeek again for sponsoring tonight's episode. I saw you say something very interesting where you're like AI could recreate acting, but it can never recreate dance. I might be wrong on that just by the way, I don't know the science. There's a tech guy going like, oh, no, we're on that. That's happening next week. Do your kids want to be dancers at all? Is that like a goal for them? They really love it. You know, I wouldn't be surprised if they go into some angle like that. I mean, I was a dancer for a big part of my life and I loved it so much. I mean, I didn't know there was really anything else that I was going to.

28:45I was so in love with performing, but I didn't even know that then. so when I look at them I can see the love that they have for it right now but then I'm also from my own experience I'm thinking this can branch into so many other things right but I can tell that one of my daughters she's a natural she's a natural performer so they must have had a lot of fun at the Tate McRae show yeah she's uh she loves the stage yeah yeah she loves the stage and like I get so nervous she's so little she was so little when she started performing and I I would get so nervous for her, and she would just be pushing people out of the way to get on the stage.

29:20She just loves a stage, and the girl can perform. She just knows how to perform. My other one really loves choreographing dances, and she loves the world a lot, and she's really great in all these bigger group numbers, but I don't know. It's too soon to kind of say where they're going to end up. As long as they just need to get a job that... pays them because I don't want to support them for the rest of the life. That's like kind of like my aim. I always say that like, I need you to be financially independent. I don't want you to rely on another person, including me. Like I want you to feel what it feels like to buy your first car with your own money that you've earned.

30:04That is a feeling that is just unbelievable. So they're always like, so you're not getting me a G wagon. I'm like, they don't even make girls anymore okay no they don't make g-wagons anymore but they all they're always like i'm like you must i'm gonna drive that one day i'm like you're what job do you have that's an that's an la baby yeah and i'm not i told they know i'm like i'm not first of all your first car is gonna be a dutzen because you're gonna crash it you're gonna fuck it up somehow you're a new driver yeah so we're not getting like the nice car up front we need a little bit of experience and we're gonna to earn it but I want them I want them to I want them to be independent I think that's the greatest like that's the thing that I I can take from my own life um my own experience and the power of that and I always kind of remind them to kind of think that way are you gonna have them get like summer jobs yes yeah every time we go to Starbucks I'm like look at this do you see the how friendly do you see how friendly you have to be that friendly every morning at 6 a.m like start getting ready for it yeah I mean I that's I feel like you just said it like LA babies there's a bubble here and it's different than New York both are kind of very uh coastal elite but there's a less of a bubble in New York I think because you have more access to like what the world is like Like in LA, you can really never leave.

31:37Did you have a job as a youngster in New York? I had many, many jobs. What did you have? I was a babysitter. I was, I interned a lot. I did a lot of internships. I interned at a magazine. I interned at a public relations firm. I interned at, oh God, I'm like forgetting. I interned for a city council woman. Yeah, it was cool. It was like nice to make my own money. and was it because your parents kind of asked you they were my mom was nothing strict as a oh so okay I'm doing the right thing yeah she was like you don't like because I went to a private school where a lot of my friends had all their parents money to spend but my parents gave me like 20 bucks a week and we're like figure it out kind of so if I wanted a fake id which I did I had to save up and I would save it in my little like, do you remember those like radio things and you would put CDs in them?

32:34Oh, yes. I know what you're talking about. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. And I would put all my money in there. And so I had to work. I babysat a lot. I babysat. This is such a great job. It's the, it's babysitting is the ultimate life hack. Yeah. They will overpay you. Yeah. It's like, all you do is sit there. But do you know why? Why? Because they're like, just give me a break. Right. just please take my kids take my kids and give me a break yeah but i was a big i was a big babysat babysitter i babysat a bunch of kids and it like funded my way through high school i keep telling my kids that too i'm like this is a great way to start it is yeah it's harder here though because they need their license to drive got it but like i'd be okay with driving them if they actually like did the job you know what i mean i'm not gonna be that mean but i just i want yeah i really I want to encourage them because I also feel which isn't fair on them because they didn't ask for this but unfortunately I'm their mom and I think everybody is just waiting for them to be assholes and self-centered and kind of expect things to come their way you know and so I I I want to try and prepare them as much for that that that is going to happen and so they they have to start thinking about like there's hard work around things like you have to earn a lot of stuff in life just in general but it's going to maybe be twice as hard for you guys right you know in order how to like block out the noise as well yes exactly but also i think all of those things give you purpose as a young person and there's nothing like independence when you're a young person like when i remember when i left at 16 and i was like holy shit like i have to cook my dinner tonight like i have to make sure my laundry is done like i had to do all of it but I loved it you know how did you convince your mom to let you leave at 16 was it just a different time or my mom was the one who pushed me out of the house actually um there was a lot going on in South Africa at the time and um I had an opportunity to go and try something and she really she really was the one who was like go you should go and try this you don't want to be on your deathbed and wonder what this would have been like if I didn't do it.

34:47So she was really my encouragement. I mean, she was the one that put it together that I should go try and be an actor. I wasn't the one that did that. Didn't she come to New York and was like, you're either coming home or you're doing acting? Yeah. Not quite as articulate as that. Yeah. But something like that. Yes. And do you remember there was a moment when you were auditioning and there was like, where you're like, okay, this could actually happen. yeah I mean I feel like at 19 you just think like every I did I was like I'm gonna go get this job today like I was just like so determined I never kind of willy-nilly'd anything always prepared I didn't get everything but I I definitely went in with the intention of like I'm getting this job today but I think that's my personality is very much like if I'm gonna do something I'm gonna do it really well I'm not gonna fuck around because then I just won't do it right that's yeah yeah yeah when did you come here how old were you when you came here i was born here i was born but i moved when i was two and then i grew up around i grew up in new york i lived in brooklyn for a little and then westchester and then i grew up mainly in washington heights in the city and then i came back here when i was 18 for usc and then my parents kind of followed suit during covid because during covid everything was just like what the fuck is going on yeah and um now I've been out here ever since.