In short
The episode is a conversation with “Myha’la” (Myha’la Herrold) about HBO’s Industry, focusing on Harper’s arc in the most recent season and how the show’s writers/directors shape character evolution.
Key claims
Harper’s morality emerges more clearly by season four; the season’s emotional devastation is driven by cumulative losses (Eric leaving, her mother’s death, losing loved ones like Yasmin/Kwabana); and the show’s writing/acting chemistry makes even finance-plot moments feel like car chases. Notable examples include Harper warning Yasmin about shorting Eric’s company, the bar scene in episode seven, and Harper’s numb conversation with Eric after her mother dies (a scene Myha’la helped expand). She also discusses her own health journey (tummy issues, nutrition/circadian rhythms, boundaries) and her Industry audition process.
Guests
Myha’la Herrold (actress who plays Harper). Other speakers are the hosts, including “Sierra” (ad read) and “Louise” (off-camera), plus “Rebecca” mentioned as a fellow Industry watcher.
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Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VOLove for Industry
0:42 to 3:47
Hosts share their passion for the show 'Industry', discussing character arcs and favorite episodes.
“came out it is like my and i will never let anyone forget it but louise who refuses to be on camera Right?”
Character Insights
3:47 to 8:00
Discussion on the complexities of characters in 'Industry' and their relationships.
“To leave a tell me what's wrong go to pastthatpuss.com, click tell me what's wrong and leave a name and number if you're feeling fancy.”
Harper's Journey
8:00 to 13:23
Exploring Harper's character evolution and her struggles with loneliness and success.
“It's never guaranteed until they see some more scripts and they feel excited about where they want to go next, that they get a green light.”
Final Thoughts on Season Four
13:23 to 14:01
Hosts reflect on the emotional impact of the finale and the themes of loss in Harper's story.
“and sort of then sweet pea, that relationship is tainted.”
Exploring Harper's Emotional Journey
14:01 to 26:42
Discover the complexities of Harper's character evolution and her relationships.
Reflections on Personal Growth
26:52 to 28:00
Discuss the impact of turning 30 and the intertwining of physical and emotional health.
“I often feel surprised by the way I respond to things especially as I grow.”
The Journey to Self-Love and Healing
28:00 to 29:44
Learn about the importance of self-love and setting boundaries for personal growth.
“I had to deal with some things to just make room in my spirit for like the drugs to work.”
Nutrition and Wellness Insights
29:44 to 30:42
Discover how nutrition and self-care play a role in overall well-being.
“And what, like, did you used to have like negative self-talk?”
Navigating the Acting World
30:42 to 33:30
Get insights into the challenges and experiences of auditioning in the acting industry.
“Was there ever like a part of shooting industry that you felt overextended?”
The Emotional Toll of Acting
33:30 to 36:20
Explore the emotional experiences and challenges faced during a demanding role.
“And when I showed up, it was just me there testing for Harper.”
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Saying Goodbye to a Character
36:20 to 37:46
Reflect on the emotional process of leaving a beloved character behind.
“And I finally found my phone and I called Marisa.”
Looking Ahead: New Projects and Aspirations
37:46 to 41:21
Hear about future plans and aspirations beyond the current role in the industry.
“She is literally going to turn to Christ.”
Favorite Moments from the Show
41:21 to 42:00
Discuss favorite episodes and the impact of the show on personal experiences.
“Do you have like a favorite episode ever?”
Favorite Episodes of Industry
42:00 to 43:25
The hosts discuss their favorite episodes of the show Industry, highlighting key themes and moments.
“Those two episodes I think are my favorite of industry of all time.”
Favorite Episodes of Industry
43:29 to 44:48
The hosts discuss their favorite episodes of the show Industry, highlighting key themes and moments.
“Whether you like it or not, you and your friends are going to be planning trips soon.”
Casual Portrayals of Bisexuality
44:49 to 53:11
The conversation shifts to the show's representation of bisexuality and how it normalizes sexual identity.
“I was like, it was in the midst of COVID.”
Finding Love Through Industry
53:12 to 56:00
The guest shares a personal story about meeting her husband through the show Industry and their journey together.
“You know it's bad when you're like, I thought global warming was going to make it hot.”
Movie Reflections and Apocalypse Themes
56:00 to 56:56
The hosts discuss a bizarre movie experience and its implications.
“Oh my God, That is one of those movies where it's like you never meet someone that's seen that movie.”
Drunk Trauma Dumping
56:56 to 58:36
Exploring the phenomenon of trauma dumping while drunk and its effects.
“But I think if you're like, oh, I talked to my parents, isn't everyone's parents divorced?”
Navigating In-Laws and Boundaries
58:36 to 1:00:36
Discussion on managing relationships with in-laws who overstep boundaries.
“I mean, it's real trauma, but like, it's like, sorry.”
Weather's Impact on Mental Health
1:00:36 to 1:02:26
Examining how weather affects mood and mental health, and tips for coping.
“I think I'm incredibly influenced emotionally by the weather.”
The Importance of Movement for Mental Well-Being
1:02:26 to 1:04:28
The significance of physical movement and exercise on mental health.
“in your eyes to your like circadian rhythms is like a real thing um so like that light therapy like 20 minutes first thing in the morning can really help set the tone in your mood for the day I would also say exercise.”
Addressing Conspiracy Theories in Relationships
1:04:28 to 1:06:52
How to approach a partner's obsession with conspiracy theories.
“The sun, you know where the sun hits the hardest?”
Concerns Over Finances in Relationships
1:06:52 to 1:09:45
Discussing financial disparities and concerns within a romantic relationship.
“Not about like, not a movie about like nine 11.”
Family Secrets and Ethical Dilemmas
1:09:45 to 1:10:02
Navigating the discovery of a parent's infidelity and the moral dilemma it presents.
“I wonder what they'll do for this Christmas episode.”
Navigating Parental Betrayal
1:10:02 to 1:11:03
A discussion on how to approach discovering infidelity within a family.
“Basically, my dad gave me his old iPad but still had his WhatsApp connected to it and I saw him texting a mistress of some sort.”
Lessons Learned and Reflections
1:11:03 to 1:12:16
Reflection on personal growth, connections, and community support.
“Ooh, you know what I might do, a la Harper?”
Transcript
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0:41it's industry week you guys okay i've been industry hive since 2020 when the show first came out it is like my and i will never let anyone forget it but louise who refuses to be on camera Right? Hi. I'm not keeping her. She just said she would do it only if she's not on camera. But she is like the only other person besides our friend Rebecca that watches industry the way we do. And it is the best show of all time. You think of all time? I think of all time. Of all time. What do you love about it? It just has everything that you could ever want in a show. It has romance. It has sex. It has drugs.
1:21It has high anxiety, high pressure. I think what we love about it so much is that the character arcs are so well thought out it reminds me of Dark on Netflix in the sense that like I don't know how we got from point A to point B but it was done correctly because you can look back at point A and understand how we got to point B yes do you know what I mean it's like where Yaz is right now you're like if you saw Yaz season 1 And I said to you where she ends up in season four, you'd be like, in what fucking world? But also, like, yeah, it makes sense. It makes sense because they do it so well. Yes.
2:04Favorite episode? You know mine. My favorite episode is the finale of season three. Yep. I was about to say, okay, I was going to say a different one. That is my favorite. When her and Yaz and Rob, no spoilers, but. Oh, if you're going to watch these two episodes, just prepare for spoilers. It's industry week. we will be talking everything. And also, why would you not watch this show? Like, but the end of that episode, I cry. I'm so overwhelmed with emotion. Because you understand why Yaz chose Kit Harington. To stay, yes. I really hope Rob comes back for season five. I do. I low-key think he will.
2:43I do too. I, like, totally get the vibe that he has to. And also - In some, oh my God, when he answers the screen. Okay, go, go. One other thing about industry is obviously I have no idea what's actually going on. In finance terms? Yes. Yeah, obviously. But my hola says, she's like, I also have no idea. And it doesn't matter. Yeah. That's why you know it's so good. Yeah, I have no idea. But I just know based on her delivery whether it's a good or a bad thing. Can we also talk about them as actresses? Like seeing them in these episodes was so amazing. They're the coolest people in the world. You're the coolest people in the world.
3:14And then you meet them in person. You're like, wait, you're even cooler. This was a good week. Industry week. Yeah, industry is the best show on television, period. And I'm so jealous of those that get to binge it. Louise has seen it twice, the whole thing. I have seen the first three seasons three times. How? What? A third? Mm-hmm. My challah is a gift. Marisa is a gift. The show is a gift. If you have not watched industry, please watch it and enjoy tonight's episode. as always. To leave a tell me what's wrong go to pastthatpuss.com, click tell me what's wrong and leave a name and number if you're feeling fancy.
3:54Love you pussies. Realizing I haven't done that all season. Alright, well, love you pussies. Enjoy the episode.
4:04Welcome to Purpose! I'm so happy you're here. Thank you so much for having me. This feels like a long time coming. It does. I mean, I remember running up to you at an event three years ago saying that industry was my favorite show. Yes, I remember. That was so sweet. It is my favorite show on television because it's objectively the best. Thank you. It really is. I agree. It really is. Where else are you going to get characters like that? They're hard to come by, I will say, which has been the greatest gift to be on a long-running show and to still say eight years in, I'm so passionate about these.
4:42Eight years in? Yeah, we started shooting in 2019. Holy shit. And when it's all said and done, it will be a decade. Wow. And it's so funny. I was watching, I was finishing season four the other day. It's one of those where I do have to binge it because I can't wait week by week. I can't do it. It is too fucking stressful. I don't blame you. I think a lot of people feel that way. If I was just watching the show, I would feel the same way. Like there is something ingrained in my memory is Harper chewing her gum. Oh, yeah. Season one. And they're just bleeding. I will never forget. I don't even, mind you, I don't even know what the fuck is going on.
5:27No, neither do I. What do you mean? I don't even know either. Yeah, I read that you were like, I ask if it's a good financial thing or a bad thing and I run with it. 100%. 100%. I'm like, I have no idea what is going on financially, but I just know by the way you're playing it, if this is a risky situation or not. 100%. I think that's my job. As long as people think that I know what I'm doing. I do. Okay, great. I do. I was like, oh, she doesn't know? Great. I don't know either. I'm giving everyone permission to be like the finance, whatever. As long as you're sweating and crying and yearning and lusting, then we've done our job.
6:03You, it is really, you have done such an incredible job. I am low-key, like, I feel like a groupie of yours. I watch everything you're in. Thank you. Bodies, bodies, bodies, leave the world behind. Thank you so much. You're incredible. And I'm just, like, so happy that you get to play these, like, incredibly complex characters. Thank you so much. I mean, that's, like, that's my thing. I don't want to do anything idealistic or simple or whatever. Like I am deeply, deeply invested in humanity. I think people are so interested. There's nothing more interesting to me than like a messed up person. Yeah.
6:40I want to know. I want to know what makes them tick. I want to know why they got messed up. I think probably on a level because I want to know why I'm messed up. You know what I mean? It's as much about it's really, really cathartic. There's also some stuff that like I get to do that I would never do in my real life. You know what I mean? Yeah. I would never move the way Harper moves. She is cuckoo. She's cuckoo, but like, she's cuckoo. She's cuckoo. But you kind of see at the end of season four, for the first time in the entire show, her morality like coming out. Yeah, totally. And being like, I mean, that fucking final shot of them being like, do you want one more?
7:21Is so fucking sickening. Because you're just like, you know, because you knew like watching it, you're like, one more season like one more round for harper like let's fucking go i'm so glad you're excited when we're shooting that actually it was so funny because the first couple of takes they were like okay my holla we're just on your face so you're gonna like give her a look and the first time i was like this yeah like you know i want more they were like okay maybe a little more subtle like calm down a little bit but i was like i want more every season i was talking to marisa about this yesterday i was saying i feel like the official industry podcast at this point like but um you they mickey and conrad they planned it as if it's their last right always yeah i mean i think that's smart because the truth of this whole business is you really don't know if you're gonna go again right they might put you in contract for the three five seven but i think how it's been At least my experience has been there.
8:25It's never guaranteed until they see some more scripts and they feel excited about where they want to go next, that they get a green light. And then we all are like, OK, we're going again. But it's really always a question mark. So I think writing as if it is the end is totally smart. And then it gives you a serious challenge to write yourself out of it. And I think Mickey and Conrad do a really, really good job of that every every year. And they're ex-bankers, right? Yeah. Yeah. I think Mickey did like five years and Conrad did three. And then did they meet like via banking and then just like come up with this idea?
8:59They met in school. They met in university. And they were like a sort of creative pair for a long time. I think they were making shorts and they were shooting their own stuff. I think maybe Mickey got involved first and then they both came up with the idea that inspired industry. They did something quite similar. And then they were like, oh, this is this is the story we want to explore. Yasmin and Harper's relationship at this point is like. You're I don't even know what the fuck is going on with them, but it's like it's the only love like they love each other down. Yeah. But like where in an ideal world for you, like where do you want to see them end up?
9:43i think sentimentally obviously i would love if they were like we are sisters and they got it together do you know what i mean like they they have had so many like moments of vulnerability and connection especially in this like that that bar scene in episode seven before the club that's gonna go down in history thank you i mean it's a that was sort of like an accumulative final straw we have nothing else to do but absolutely be totally honest no ulterior motive nothing it was pure pure love um and then it sort of all goes to shit but i think about them as sisters yeah i don't know any other relationship besides sibling one where you could really say like the meanest fucking thing i want to hurt you so badly and the next week they're like hey They've hit each other before, right?
10:39Yeah, we slapped the shit out of each other. Yeah, we did. You did. And it's gotten to the point where it's like nothing is surprising with the two of them. It's true. You're like, I can't even, I'm trying to collect my thoughts, but there's so many. like you're basically like the entire season for those that don't know Harper was betting on the demise of Yasmin's husband's company and when Yasmin finds out like you kind of do it and you kind of like you kind of like make eye contact like I told you the name of the game yeah and even I mean I think another like signal that there is real love there is for the first time Harper tries to warn her.
11:25Like she really tries to warn her. Yes, I was shocked when she did that. I was shocked. Like you brought her, you were like, look, I'm shorting the company. There's some shit going on. And I was like, oh, because in my mind, I'm like, that fucks with Harper's game. It does. Because she can go and fucking fidget and figure things out and fuck up her short. Yeah. I didn't like sound like a finance guy. But like really that, I was shocked when Harper did that. Yeah, I think this whole season was a big challenge for Harper because where she's always been business minded, she truly does try to protect the people that she cares about.
12:05I mean, even even deciding to work with Eric. I mean, that is risky. Like that is also another really sordid, complicated relationship built on a lot of trauma. And she goes into it with a with a more open heart than you might expect of her. I was shocked. Harper shocked me. Harper Harper shocked me, too. But this was sort of the only way we could go with her. Because we've seen her be a shark, steely, been conniving, and completely self-serving in terms of business. And this was the first season where I thought, well, I mean, we could do the same thing. But that's not true to Humet. We all evolve.
12:48We all grow. And I think the question is, once you have everything you've always dreamed of that you've worked so hard towards, which is what she's got. She's her own boss. She has employees. She's got agencies. Her reputation on the street as a market mover is solid. Now what? Like you can make money and make money and make money. Now what? And especially by the end of the season, she has all those things and she has no one to share them with. She's lost her whole family, her brother, her mother. Her dad has never been in the picture. She loses Eric. She loses Kwabana. and sort of then sweet pea, that relationship is tainted.
13:28And now she loses Yasmin, her last ship. That's it. She's totally alone in this world. And she has all this money, but who cares, you know? Right. She's so lonely at the end of it. Yeah, she's completely alone. And I love that you bring up that final image because I think that question, are you done? Have you had enough? She's really asking herself, have I? and she also happens to be on a pj so like maybe she hasn't honey maybe not maybe not but that final episode was just like so gutting what what was your like big reaction when you like got the script well look i mean it's it's not that it's not totally depressing it's horrendous yeah it's also like you can see this you can see the steps you see exactly how we got here um hurt people hurt people you know it's it's heartbreaking and I think as Harper like playing it there was because of all of this loss it was just so much shock I think you know when you're like running on e you haven't slept you haven't eaten something tragic has happened to you and you really feel like you're at the bottom of the barrel and then one more thing happens yeah and you just you have not you don't even have the energy to be devastated you go into that sort of like comatose yeah and you see i mean you see her right after that conversation she's just in the bed like if we had eight more episodes she'd be there in the bed yeah depressed just being like what the fuck no shower none of it um yeah so i was i was really looking forward to exploring what that sort of void feels like and what does a person do to try to soothe themselves and it was I think one of the most challenging parts was justifying finding the love in her still choosing Kwabana after all of that because she she says in that scene after that like they have a moment of connection right despite him coming back and saying i just cheated on you again and i don't think you want this it's like girl why would i want this you keep fucking with me but it's like she's desperate is that relationship even like he's like he's almost like begging you to be like don't do this and you won't you're like okay well there's so much so much humiliation yeah like the amount of energy that it takes her in that moment to be like to be honest at all to be like how do you expect me to function with you right you know takes so much guts it's also totally not the harper we know the harper we know would be like fuck you yeah you know what i mean she would start another fight she would get mad she would probably do something to him fire him i don't know yeah but she doesn't and that's like one of the beauties of being on like a long running thing doing TV in general is you really get to evolve a person you get to explore how time space relationships the world affects them um and you get to explore who who they want to be who they want to be right because I think I mean like I'm I'm I'm asking myself this question every day and I'm making new decisions towards like who do I want to be today and beyond um and i think that's really cool it's really cool and you've like the whole you and the whole cast have done such an excellent job within industry where do you see like the turning point for like where was harper's turning point this season what do you think it was when eric left oh boy ken is one of the greatest actors of all time in my personal opinion he is he's just really amazing it's very easy to love him he really does wear his heart on his sleeve and that's another great thing about this show is that we are following a bunch of people who make decisions that would make them seem irredeemable but they're so infused with humanness that it becomes relatable and you want them to succeed you want them all to go to therapy and like get fixed and like have the gang back together right be like right into the sunset have a beer at the pub exactly hang out but i think um yeah that was a huge one for her i think i think another really hardcore turning point that i think she was sort of forced into was finding out her mom died yeah because the entire first four episodes is Eric trying to convince Harper to work with him and to create a more intimate relationship, like a sort of friendship.
18:27Right, yeah, there was like, you know what this is. Yeah, he's like, please, like, share your life. Like, if we're going to work together, like, we should really. And she's like, you know nothing good comes of that considering their history. And the job is going well. But she is in so much turmoil finding out that her mother has gone. She has no one to turn to. And she is desperate just to talk to someone. And he's there and he makes himself available. And that, aside from her loving relationship with Yasmin, I think that's the other sort of loving relationship in Harper's life, that it is a sort of pseudo paternal.
19:11He's also been her mentor. and he really was the one who took a chance on her. He picked her sort of out of obscurity, knowing that she didn't really have the qualifications but believed in her. People forget that Harper came to PurePoint lying about her resume. I mean, that was the whole thing about season one was that you didn't have the qualifications. Right, right. You were better than everyone on the floor. Per, period. But the reason she doesn't want to get into this personal relationship with him, like let's just make it business because despite him being the one who allowed her to be in that space, he's also the one who outs that.
19:47He's also the one who gets her fired. That was crazy. The shit that's happened in this show. So much. I mean, I never thought, I remember sitting there starting season one being like, what am I about to get into? You had no idea. I had no idea. Louise has seen the show through twice. Oh, great. I'm like, how do you sit and watch this twice? like it's the most stressful but it makes like talking to you and marisa has like made me be like i think i want to restart it go for it i feel like honestly especially having been um a part of our family from day one i was i was industry high from day one day one gang i love thank you thank you because i wouldn't be sat here today if it weren't for you and the rest of the people who were like die hard from day one i'm so serious it is it was it picked me up during such a dark time in my life in COVID.
20:41Like, I just remember being at my parents' house, sitting there watching it, and feeling like I was part of this family. That's what, like, you guys are so good at doing. Like, I felt like I was part of this family. Oh, that's amazing. I mean, we really, kind of from day one, but have become a really strong family. It feels like family. And I think that chemistry, that bond, that trust that we created fills the show. Like it's that sort of unnameable chemistry like thing, which I also think is why like people want Yaz and Harper together because Marisa and I are actually friends. Right. You're her bridesmaid.
21:22Yeah, yeah. We actually love each other. So even when we're fighting, it's coming. Despite itself, it's coming from a place of very deep love and appreciation and respect. and those colors, the nuance, I mean, the same with me and Ken. Like, I just have had, we have had a deep love for one another, which is why people are like, why do we want them together? Because you know it comes from love. Real love. Yeah, and on the page, it wasn't always that. It wasn't like, oh, these people actually love each other. It was like, no, these people are stabbing each other in the back. Yeah. And that's sort of the magic of great teamwork and real chemistry, which does sort of feel like lightning in a bottle.
22:07It is. Was there a moment this season, or honestly any season, where something wasn't scripted? There definitely is some. Not when we're doing any sort of business-y deal. Well, of course not. Because we would all be like, eh. Yeah. um the the sort of nature of this entire show is mickey and conrad learning their actors and writing for us i mean there have been whole storylines that were inspired by real life stories that actors connect to they're really good at that i think that's what makes them special writers um because they write they really write for us but the the there was like a couple but specifically and it wasn't exactly improv but specifically the scene where Harper speaks to Eric about her mom passing on the page I mean it was I think the scene ended up being like five or six pages long but when I got it first it was maybe four three or four um and the direction was more like Harper is numb she doesn't cry she doesn't know how to feel it feels quite disconnected and I thought like if I was in her shoes and this monumental thing happened to me and I felt numb or I didn't know how to feel about it, that would confuse me so much.
23:28I would feel so lost and so alone and the emotion would come from that. It would come from being so deeply confused and frustrated at the fact that I don't know how to feel about my own mother dying. yeah it's so confusing and so isolating and then also being so far away from home you know um I think also the fact that she feels sort of pinned forced into this now very intimate relationship with Eric that she was trying so hard not to do it feels like a sort of betrayal of self um so all of that is where the emotion comes from I often cry when I'm confused and frustrated did yeah um so I just I said to the boys I was like hey um I understand this version is there a world in which maybe we can let her be a little more childlike a little more insecure and like really reveal something to him and then it creates and that like affected what Eric said so then the scene became longer I just I ended up writing them like this stream of consciousness thing and I just like whatsapped it to our group chat and was like here's my thoughts when I like put myself in her shoes while I'm working on the scene here are my thoughts just here they are um and then when we went to shoot like 95 % of the stuff that I wrote ended up in the new scripts on the day um which was amazing I was really really really grateful that they wanted to include those things because I feel like there's so much about Harper that we don't know.
25:05We get plopped into Harper's world after she grew up, essentially. Yeah. And I feel like, I don't know why as a viewer I wasn't expecting her to care, but I wasn't expecting her to care that her mom died. Right. The Harper that I knew hates her mom. Right. And would have just been like, no. So when it went the other way and like the short was going well, everything was going well and that happened, you would think she'd be like, I can't, I can't. And she like does and basks in that like emotion. It was very shocking as a viewer to see. Thank you, SeatGeek, for sponsoring tonight's episode. I always talk about concerts.
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27:00I'm 30 now. You're 30? Yes girl get into it. Oh do you like it? Do you like being 30? I love being 30. Okay. Being 30 is amazing. Everyone says that. It's amazing. How old are you? 26. Work. You're in the midst of your Saturn return. I know I know I'm scared. It's okay I'm praying for you and it's gonna be how was yours she ate me up low-key she ate me up what was it when did it start for you and what was it like i'm sorry industry hive i need five seconds to like go down this road we're about to get into my medical history um it probably started around 25 and it did indeed sort of start with a tummy issue i am now my back hurts yep my back hurts listen spirit moves through you in mysterious ways um yeah it started with tummy issues which sent me on this journey of like physical physical health and wellness and I at one point I'm not kidding was so frustrated that I was like I need God yeah nothing is working none of these pills none of these yogas I need God like I need literal religion right now crystal whatever like I'll do anything to fix this And I think I just discovered that so much of the physical, it felt very much like emotionally and energetically.
28:23I had to deal with some things to just make room in my spirit for like the drugs to work. Right. It's been my experience that like the mind, the spirit or the mind and the body are like intrinsically linked. And I needed to like get right with myself. I had to learn how to really love myself and like love on myself so that I could take care of my body better. It's like such a crazy process. It feels like I really felt like I was being ripped to shreds. Oh my God. I'm sorry sweetie. I really am. But honestly it's worth it. And I think anything worth doing is going to be hard. Yeah. The body needs stress to grow.
29:06That's why we work out. We break our muscles apart so they can grow bigger, stronger, shapely, whatever. So, yeah, a lot of that was about, like, learning how to set my boundaries. Like, understand what my boundaries are. What do I need? Put myself first. Set my boundaries. Maintain them in a respectful way. Speak my truth. And also only speak abundance into my own life. Like, deciding what it is I think I deserve and, like, saying it with my chest until I believe it. It was like five years of like, I don't actually believe it, but I'm going to say it. I'm going to say, I'm just going to say it until it becomes true.
29:42And I turned 30 and now it's true. And what, like, did you used to have like negative self-talk? Absolutely. I mean, and I still do. Don't get me wrong. Like it's a practice, honey. Every single day I'm saying like, I deserve this. I deserve, I deserve to love myself. I still have negative thoughts. I still have anxiety and I still have, occasionally I have imposter syndrome and occasionally I I feel like I'm not prepared for something, but I also know that like the universe loves me and I wouldn't be put in the positions that I'm in if I couldn't handle it. And I have big goals and big dreams and I have to be able to advocate myself or else I'm not going to get them.
30:20Right. So yeah, my, that was, that was what that was. And my tummy is healed. Thank God. Thank God. But really honestly, in like a less woo woo way, it was like learning about nutrition, learning about my circadian rhythms and making sure that I don't overextend myself so that I can show up to work and my life every day is like the best version of myself. Was there ever like a part of shooting industry that you felt overextended? Yeah I mean yeah the the the first season we shot I had only done I'd done like one episode of television and I did an indie feature in New York that I did like five days on.
31:01And then I landed in the UK and they were like, lead this HBO series for six months, work every day, do it well. And then like be chill about it. Like what was the audition process like for you for that? Like, did you walk in being like, this is just another audition or did you walk in being like, this role is mine? so the tea about this is that when I got this audition I was like in the midst of a crisis I had just lost a job that they said was mine that I was like counting the dollars and deciding the ways in which this was going to change my life right and they literally the director in the room was like it's yours and the next day they were like they went another direction broke my heart into like a million tiny pieces oh my god it was horrible at the time I was bald very androgynous it didn't yeah and I was comparing myself a lot to the people who were getting the jobs I was like they're more feminine than me they wear makeup they are taller they're shorter they're darker skinned they're lighter skin and I was was really like do I need to change the way I look or present myself to be palatable to people just so I get a chance and I'm really like, I really wear my heart and myself on my sleeve and the idea of changing my outside felt like a betrayal of myself.
32:25And it was just like I was crashing out and then I got the audition for industry like a week later and I was supposed to go out with my friends so we were like pre-gaming in the apartment and I was like, oh fuck, I have this audition. Will you guys tape it with me? So I'm like a little tipsy in the tape. Shut up. I have to see this tape now. No girl. all that shit is buried. It's not that good. Um, but they saw something in it and they asked me to do another round of tapes with two additional scenes. And in between I read two more episodes and I met with Mickey and Conrad and they gave me some thoughts and ideas.
32:55So I retaped, thank God. Um, and a week later they were like, they want you to meet Lena Dunham, who's going to direct the pilot. So I met her in person and she was so quirky. We sat on the floor while we did the read and she was like, you'll be hearing from us very soon. Oh, that's so her, I feel like. So her. And I walked out, I mean, I wasn't in there but like 30 minutes and I walked out and called my team and they were like, what happened? And I was like, well, we're done. They said, was it good? And I was like, I mean, I think so. We sat on the floor, so I think that's good. And then a week later, they were like, they want to travel you to Cardiff to test with the other actors.
33:30And when I showed up, it was just me there testing for Harper. I think almost all the other roles was one person except for maybe one role, there was two people. But that was when I was like, oh, purr. Like, it's just me. Yeah, I got this shit. If I like royally screw this up, okay. But if it goes well, if I do what I've been doing, I think this is mine. And then maybe a week later, the day before my birthday, I found out I got the job. and was it like what did what what did you feel like knowing that you didn't have to change anything about yourself to get it yeah were you like I'm so grateful that I didn't fall into that crash out well I literally was like this this is why you hold steadfast like this is this is why you feel so strongly about showing up as yourself because the right project the right people will find you you just have to have faith and be patient and like hold on um so that was real confirmation that I should never like never try to change myself to fit some version of what I think someone else wants also the real gag is casting and creatives whatever they don't want you to do a version of what they think right because oftentimes they don't even know yeah they don't look they do not know they're looking for someone to tell them oh that's what I want or that challenged the thing that I thought I want and it inspires me so I think that's what happened and they were like I'm so down um so yeah I mean they were like do you want to stay bald and I was like no no no like let me let me do a little something let me change for the role um but yeah I mean I went into that season totally unprepared for how much responsibility it was I was so excited but it was so so much that I didn't even realize I hadn't given myself an opportunity time or space to process until literally the day we wrapped we did like the wrap party and then everyone came over to mine and we like had a sesh and it was so fun I would pay money you to sesh with every single person on that cast you should have been there I should have been there you're like oh I'm pure point like it was so fun we tried to we tried to get them to let us have the the party on the trading floor and they were like oh come on they said no well there was like millions and trillions of dollars of like bloomberg terminals everywhere like i'm not letting you get fucked up on the trade floor it's like such a risk but everyone was at mine they all left at like three in the morning and i closed the door on the last person i turned around and sunk to my knees and wept for I don't even know how long.
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36:16I was like crawling around my apartment, crying so hard. And I finally found my phone and I called Marisa. And I was hysterical. I don't remember what I said. I don't really remember exactly what happened. But I do know that I left my apartment. It was raining. I was crying in the rain. She found me because we lived all in the same complex. She found me in the rain. She brought me back into my apartment. and she like brushed my teeth for me and put me to sleep and stayed in the bed with me until I like cried myself to sleep. She stayed with me the whole night. You guys are really Yaz and Harper.
36:51With less of the backstabbing. Yeah, right. None of that. But that's why it reads so well because it's so real. That love is so real. It's really real. She like literally held me while I cried and like my body just experienced the whole six months because I didn't know what to do with that. You were on go mode. I was totally on go mode. Yeah. And I finally, when my body was like, it's done. You can relax now. It was like, whoosh. Yeah. All of it came over me. And I released it all and I let it go. Wow. It was crazy. And then I was awoken by the driver being like, come to the airport. Time to go to America.
37:26And I was like, I'm not packed. I have not. It was crazy. I left that apartment in shambles. Yeah. Shambles. There were, I mean, it was disgraceful, the condition I left that apartment in. but it's okay you made great television out of it thank you how are you planning on saying goodbye to harper yeah this is a great question that i really haven't put too much thought to i don't think i'll ever truly say a real goodbye she is a she is a part of who i am um and who I want to be I think it's sort of twofold it's like sad because her the our story me and her story is ending I'm sort of leaving her behind um but when this is done that chapter is closed I have I have a new a new chapter to open now I am literally I'm just literally available yeah um there's so much more work i want to do i'm i'm writing and i'm oh wow trying to develop a couple things for myself so now i'll have the time energy the space the experience um and the confidence to start working on those things um which i'm really excited about do you want are those things more television or movie or both i have both i have both that i'm interested in i'll never not do tv yeah i'm a tv guy through and through me too i really am i feel like with television you can fall into these worlds so much more intensely and like really become part of a family totally the time just the sheer amount of time like it's it's like depending on how many episodes you have it's like eight movies right we have so much time to explore and go deeper and and you get to change and evolve and like harper season one is not harper season four and she won't be Harper season five.
39:19Do you know what I mean? I feel like, I mean, I feel like season five, Harper will have like, I feel like she's going to go on this like moral, like trying to make up for like looking at Yaz and being like, wait, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, like how did we get here? Like we're not doing this. She's going to turn to Christ. Yeah. She is literally going to turn to Christ. Yeah. I'm, I'm really excited to see where we go with, with Harper, with everyone, with the show I mean knowing knowing that it's the last one I'm pretty sure the boys are just gonna go rip it yeah they are they are they're gonna right I mean I think yesterday on the we we did a panel yesterday they were talking about like from day one there was sort of a basket of things they were interested in doing and now that they know the time is nearing an end they're gonna try to get all that shit that's in the basket into season five so are you excited I'm like actually I think I want to visit set one day.
40:11Oh my God, you should come. At this rate, I think I need to come visit set. You should totally come. Mickey Conrad, please let me come visit set. No, you're going to come. Okay. You should totally come. Come to Cardiff. Please. Me and Louise would have, it would be field trip day. It would be so fun. Why not? We would love to have you. I mean, we'll be there. Yes! We would love to have you. It would be so fun. Seriously, that show has done things for me. You have no idea. I'm so glad. I mean, I love hearing that because it has done so many things for me. And I feel like, I don't know if this is like a thing, but like I'm a fan.
40:48I'm a fangirl. You know what I mean? Yeah. I love to fan over things. Yeah, I'm the biggest fangirl of all time. I'm such a fan. Yeah. And I am a fan of this show. There's so much of it that I'm not in. So like when I watch it, I'm still kind of watching it. Oh, yeah. Like half brain is me and I'm criticizing myself. But the other half of me is just like enjoying my friends in the show, the story. Like I'm really invested in it. So hearing other people say that it's meant something to them is like, I mean, it means the world to me. It really is so incredible. Do you have like a favorite episode ever?
41:23Ooh. I have mine. Oh, wait, what's yours? Okay, mine's the finale of three. Oh, yeah, well, I mean, I think that's one of the greatest episodes of television of all time. Of all time. Maybe. Far none, hands down. Like that episode changed like how I view the world. Oh, for sure. Just because it was so good. You know, it's something so good and you're just like looking at life like. I'm changed. Artistically, like that's how that episode made me feel. Oh my God. That episode, the one where Harper is on the trading floor like. Yeah, that one, episode four. Yeah. Those two episodes I think are my favorite of industry of all time.
42:03Thank you. Yeah, I'm glad. Those are, I mean, phenomenal episodes. I feel like episode, my husband is always saying to people who haven't seen the show, and it doesn't, he's not sure, like if they're not sure if it's going to be for them, he says start on episode four of season one. Really? Because that episode with that trade, the anxiety, I think kind of sets the tone for like, oh, this show is a finance show, but it's really more like Mickey and Conrad say it's like, how do we make a trade feel like a car chase? and that's the one that does it. I think anyone who watches and they're not sure they're like locked in by episode four.
42:38Yeah. I feel like one of my favorite episodes. Oh my God, there's actually so many. Now I'm thinking about, I think it's episode six, the Christmas episode of season one. You guys always fucking feel the Christmas episodes. The Christmas episode, is that like a thing that they say, oh, it's the Christmas episode. Yes, the Brits fucking love Christmas. Yeah, they really do. They like love Christmas so bad. They do. Yeah that one's great Which one are you thinking of? Ben Lloyd Hughes When he runs into the glass At the In the first season Yeah And he like is banging himself Into the Glass That one is really great There's also so much tea With like Robert and Yasmin And Harper In that episode I miss Robert I know we all do Shout out Harry Lottie We love you Love you town Like
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44:41Booking.yeah. Book today on the site or in the app. I'd never seen bisexuality portrayed just so casually like that. Yes. I was like, it was in the midst of COVID. I was watching, I was watching industry and all of a sudden he was like really like courting Yaz. And then he like got his dick sucked by this guy and I was, and then they didn't really harp on it at all. Also like go off a young white man doing that. I think that one of the things that Mickey and Conrad are really good about that the show is good about is like, cause people are always like, isn't it a show about like sexuality? Is it a show about race?
45:21Is this a show about it? It's like, no, it's a finance show. And all of these things happen, but we're not trying to tell the audience how they should feel about it. Right. It's just like, here it is. And then you get to be like, oh, damn, I could just be by and it's not a thing or whatever. You know what I mean? Because they don't make it a thing. It's just they lay it out and they're like, here you go. Yeah. Yeah. We're not we're not trying to like bully the audience into feeling like yay gay or not yay gay. Yeah. You know, we're just like, here's a piece of the world. With no judgment. I think that is really good TV making.
45:56It's excellent. I want to shout out a specific sequence as well in episode four of season one. I love season one, apparently. Season one's great. Season one is a great season. This was really fun to shoot. Harry and I, who plays Robert, we did, we had like 45 minutes left in a shoot day on episode four. And it was like bonkers. We have one camera. Everyone's trying to get the fuck out of here. But we need to do this sequence where Harper and Robert do drugs together. and it's a short sequence they like get high and we improv the entire thing they like put on music and we were just like pretending to do whatever he like put on this co-pretending to be Elton John we were dancing around and the camera was just like going crazy and it was so much fun it was really run and gun and we didn't know if we got anything worth its weight and salt and it turned out to be like one of the most fun and maybe like sort of quintessential industry sequences in the show um I loved loved shooting that I also loved shooting the boat stuff with Marisa in season three that was amazing because I feel like I didn't know if Yaz and Harper were friends at that point yeah I didn't know and then to see them together for ultimately what defines Yaz's story for the rest of the show it was a real moment of like genuine chosen family a hundred percent I mean it's so interesting that now sort of people are coming around to Harper having a moral center yeah that right there to me was the most pure act of love she's risking her own safety right to help her friend cover up like a crime um she really looks at her in the face and says i see how badly you're hurt i'll i will help you yeah i will help you it's so selfless i think that's why yaz always goes back to her 100 and that's why even when henry is like your friend harper like she's short sorting the company she's doing this yes it's like she said don't talk about my friend like that yeah she said that hey guys that's my friend That's my friend.
48:03Be so for real. That's my friend. So did you, is it true you met your husband via kind of this show? Yeah, totally. The other greatest gift of my life via this show, my man. He is also an industry day one-er. Yes. He was watching the show in COVID and he sent myself and Harry and Mickey and Conrad a message just saying, hey, I'm watching industry. I'm such a fan. congratulations on the show I think it's great um and it was deep COVID and I was living by myself and the show was coming out and there was like no premiere no interviews nothing I was very alone and I was like going through my DMs obviously like starving for connection and I saw his and I was like trying to weed out the like gross ones like people being like I love the show send me a picture of your feet yeah and i was like uh but his wasn't really respectful so i just said thank you and the next day i woke up to a string of video messages from him and i was like girl what is this bro but i was like let me go on his profile i was like wait a minute he's kind of cute he's really cute i'll risk it so i opened the messages and it was him and he was literally filming himself and he was like hey my holla it's armando um i just wanted to say it was so cool that you responded to my message.
49:27I wasn't expecting it again. Congratulations on the show. Um, I am in a journalism class at university at the moment. I'm just wondering, would you be willing, available, interested in doing like a five, 10 minute interview with me for this project? And I was like, not a student. And I was like, I can't say no to this kid who like has a class project. So I was like, yeah, sure. Whatever. We hop on a zoom the next day. We were meant to be on for 10, 15 minutes and we talked for 40 minutes and I hung up the thing and I was like, I'm in love with a stranger. That's weird. I just was like, whatever.
50:03Right. Yeah. I couldn't stop thinking about him. Like a week later I messaged him and was like, did you get an A on your project? I'm like a grown person being like, did you get an A a week later? It's crazy. I was like flirting hard. Um, and then we were just like in each other's DMS talking all day, every day about fucking whatever. it took him three weeks to ask for my phone number very respectful very respectful um and then very you know a la covid we were doing like facetime dates and we were just talking all the time um he was in san francisco at university at the time and i'm from san jose originally and so i was gonna go from new york to san jose to to see my mom like after the holidays and i was like yo i'm be like 50 minutes south of you do you want to meet in person and he said yes so I drove up how nervous were you were you not at all I was shaking in my boots yeah I was shaking in my boots and all my friends were like are you psychotic this man might chop you into bits and we'll never hear from you again this is just a random stranger from the internet who like watched you on tv are you crazy and I was like yes yeah I got it bad yeah um and I brought a bottle of wine and some glasses and I remember like parking the car and he lived on a hill and he was at the bottom I like turned a corner and he was at the bottom and I saw him and I was like oh he's so tall and fine thank god he's tall and I'm like going down the mountain he turns around and he sees me and I start running it was so cheesy i start running and then we hug and we were like we like took a collective breath it was so crazy we literally like and it felt so easy and so comfortable like i belonged there and both of us were sort of like wait actually this feels really normal it was like love at first sight i mean yeah completely um we sat on the roof we had the wine i brought hand sanitizer because I hadn't had my COVID test results back and I didn't want to be too risky because I was staying with my mom.
52:03So we like hand sanitized and held hands. God, TPTT COVID. Yeah, literally. She, nothing was going to stop me. Not COVID, none of it. And that was the end of it. He met my mom the next week and we have been inseparable. I mean, it'll be like five and a half years now, married for a year and change. Congratulations. Thank you so much. How was the wedding? It was really sweet. It was just the two of us, his sister, his parents, and my mom. My best friend from college married us, and we had a friend take some pictures. It was really small and intimate. That's the way to do it, though. Yeah, it was the way for us, certainly.
52:40And I think he has a huge family, and so our plan is still, I promise you, familia is still the plan, to do a big ceremony in the Coachella Valley. He's from Indio. Do a big ceremony there so everyone can come and celebrate us and maybe do a little something in New York for our friends. But we just, we were eager to be married. And so when time and finances permit, we'll throw some parties. So we can celebrate with loved ones. But yeah. Well, what are you therapist about today? I'm therapist that it's been so fucking cold in New York. And so nice here. It's crazy. It's like the apocalypse. It's, I can't, I can't do it.
53:20It's so bad. It was so bad. You know it's bad when you're like, I thought global warming was going to make it hot. Yeah. No. No, girl. It's been like the most depressed myself, my friends and family have ever been. Because it's been so long. Is it still cold right now in New York? Literally, my mom was like, it was raining the other day. And then it was like 80 degrees. But it keeps, it's like this. Yeah. No, you know, it's too much. Is it, are you living in New York now? Yeah, yeah, I'm in Brooklyn. Okay, when are you going back? Tomorrow. I go back tomorrow. What flight are you on? I'm on a late flight.
53:53I'm on a late flight. Are you Delta? Yes. Are you on the 950? Shut up.
54:02I'm so excited. It's going down on the plane, babe. I'm so excited. Yeah, I'll see you in the lounge. I'll see you in the lounge. Oh, my God. Wait, I'm pumped. Me too. I'm pumped. Yeah, it's going to be great. Oh, my God. How fun. Do you live there? Or do you live here all the time? No, I just got a place there. I'm from there. Oh, that's right. I need a New York summer. Okay. Well, so will you be there this summer? Yep. Woo. I want to be for the streets this summer. That's like, I was telling somebody the other day, like, what my behavior. And they were like, why are you like for the streets?
54:34And I was like. The streets deserve it. I was like, I'm having fun. They were like. Put some respect on the streets. Yeah, I agree. The streets of New York are kind of iconic. They are. Very iconic. I'm like, I'm ready to like be outside drinking wine on rooftops. Hell yeah. Because LA can be very isolated. in. I don't know if you've experienced it, but it can be like, I don't drive. So it's like, you don't drive in LA? Nope. I Uber every day or I have my friends drive me. Uber Uber everywhere. Is it, okay. Practical question. Is it like less expensive? We've done the costs. I don't think so. But like for safe, for everyone's safety and mental wellbeing, it's better than i keep you off the road yeah like i'm so addicted to my phone i know that like know thyself that's really good you're protecting people i am i am i know i would be a bad driver my dad's like you can't drive i'm like okay like it's just one thing i won't drive for the streets and for the people yeah i live right i love driving i miss driving i've never gotten to experience a moment in the car where it's just you and you're like listening to music and you're like, I know, I've heard it's amazing.
55:46It's really nice. A moment of alone is hard to come by nowadays as well. I know, and like, now you could say like, oh, do a Waymo, but they're always watching in the Waymo. Hell no. Waymos, I just, I can't get behind it. I can't, it really bugs me out so bad. that Skarsgård movie where he gets locked in the car. Did you see that? Yes, Girl. so random, I did see that movie. It's a crazy film. Yeah. He's a great actor. Crazy film. Oh my God, That is one of those movies where it's like you never meet someone that's seen that movie. No. I watched it on a plane. I watched it on a plane too. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
56:18On a plane. I watched it on a plane too and I remember being like, this is weird. Fucked up. I'm like waiting for the plane to lock its doors and tell us all to do the Macarena. Yeah. Like fucking, it's like Saw but like the AI version. No. No, girl. The Waymo's is not for me. And you were in a movie where all the cars combusted on themselves. Yes. Leave the world behind. Leave the world behind. actually very well happen listen i know everyone is listening but like she is upon us the world is low-key leaving us behind honey well that was like that was one of those apocalypse movies where i was like oh my god ah that could really happen have you seen this movie also like pieces of it is already happening it's terrifying it is it really is no way most no way most all right do you want to get into the tell me what's wrongs yeah please when i get drunk i trauma dump it's literally so embarrassing and gives me crazy anxiety the next day I do this too I did this to Marisa she was like I saw her she loved it yeah I saw her at Vanny Fair she's like do you remember you I said oh my god um like one time I literally told my crush who I had only met two times about my parents divorce that's fine and my daddy issues and my trauma nobody gives a fuck knowing that about me and I don't want them to know either help well I would disagree with nobody gives a fuck yeah yeah no I agree nobody I care I care also like drunk or not like good for you for being vulnerable I agree go ahead and if somebody thinks you oversharing is weird I think they're weird and they're not your person exactly to be a friend to be a lover anything I agree I love trauma dumping I do I just I love like being vulnerable and like telling people I have really bad OCD so like if I can show you all sides of me immediately and you can see it then we can move forward in whatever relationship we find us I can't lie I'm a really bad liar yeah me too great actor bad liar yeah I mean it's just I feel so guilty lying it's like a guilt thing I like so but that like manifests in me like trauma dumping and oversharing I see I see I see yeah I feel like know the space you're in because sometimes it can be kind of dangerous.
58:26Right. You can't be too trusting. But I think if you're like, oh, I talked to my parents, isn't everyone's parents divorced? That's what I'm saying. You know what I mean? It's not like real trauma. No, that's not news. I mean, it's real trauma, but like, it's like, sorry. It's like. Canceled. Yeah, it's like, it's like you can talk about your parents' divorce when you're drunk and not feel anxiety. Yeah, totally. I've done far worse. I have nights that I don't remember at all. Yeah, same. At all. Like, I've had, like, yes. You're validated and it's okay. You're going to be fine, sweetie. My partner's mom followed his most recent ex after we've been dating for four years.
59:02Oh, I would. This at first was just really weird but not a big deal. Flash forward a couple months and now she's been regularly going on coffee dates and evening going out, and even going out with his ex. The reason I'm writing in today is because last week she invited her over to our family brunch. How do we deal with this? What the hell is wrong with her? Sorry, but like that is psychotic. That's psychotic. What is wrong with her? She also knows what she's doing. The mom. 100%. She's fucking with you. Yeah, that is fucked up. And that's on your partner to lay a boundary. I got to say, yeah, there is.
59:36I know it's a fine line because like that's your mommy or whatever. But like protect your girl. I would watch. You remember that? What was that show that came out that everyone was obsessed with? The Girlfriend. Was that it? Yeah, wasn't it? It was the British show. Ooh. Yeah. Did they just say yeah? Somebody just said yes. Yeah. I would watch The Girlfriend. It ends in murder, but I would watch The Girlfriend. Well, better safe than sorry. Or Monster. What is it? Monster-in-law. Do you remember that movie? No, but it all sounds scary. In-laws are so tricky. I get it. But also, girl, what is wrong with her?
1:00:10I've had friends in relationships where the mom has done shit like that, and it is all on your partner. And it is nothing to do with you. It is not on you. No, no, not at all. Like you're marrying a person. I mean, you are marrying the family, but like that is on them to lay down the boundaries and be like, you're making the person that I'm going to probably marry very uncomfortable. Yeah, totally. And also, why are you doing this? If I was her, I'd be like, why are you doing this? Why are you doing this, girl? Leave me alone. Yeah, I agree. That's crazy. Yeah. Oh my God. I'd freak out. Probably why I'm still single.
1:00:44I think I'm incredibly influenced emotionally by the weather. Yes, me too. I am too. It was raining the other day. My whole body hurt. I shut down. I smoked alone. I was like, I'm done. I live in Vancouver and I'm genuinely starting to notice my depression might just be from how it's always raining. The thing is, all my family and friends and life are here. So if I wanted to move, I need to start it new. Is this an overreaction? I've heard this is a thing. I don't think that's an overreaction at all. You're just trying to figure out why you're so depressed. Seasonally affected disorder is a real thing.
1:01:20The lack of vitamin D in the brain can also trigger serotonin some shit. Yes, yes, yes. Literally everybody, especially people who live inside a studio, are vitamin D deficient. And it has a big effect on the mood and how the brain works. Okay, my dad always tries to get me to take vitamin D every morning. If you're sad, take it. I never listen to him. I feel like I should. No, no, dude, take it. Take it. Vitamin D with vitamin K3, I think, is the way. Like, they need, you need both. Your body needs both to make it. Vitamin D and vitamin K3. Yeah, I'm pretty sure that's what it is. I'm not a doctor.
1:01:57But, like, that's the one that I take to make it absorbable. And I take, like, 10 ,000 units a day. Yeah. Which is a shit ton. But I would say look into some of those, like, seasonally affected disorder, like, things. Maybe start with vitamin D. my mom also got me on a um light therapy which is uh like a it could be an led light but it's like certain uv whatever's that you turn it on first thing in the morning where you you know when they say like go outside and touch grass and like look at the sun yes but what the light does in your eyes to your like circadian rhythms is like a real thing um so like that light therapy like 20 minutes first thing in the morning can really help set the tone in your mood for the day I would also say exercise.
1:02:43Exercise, that's what I was about to say. Moving your body. Like when I'm like in the, like when I'm really going through seasonal depression, which I go through every year, specifically the time between New Year's and Christmas. Yeah. That is the worst time of the year. It's a really tragic time. It's a really tragic, horrible time. Where is everyone? Everyone's like, I'm home with my family. I'm like, I'm miserable. Yeah, it's rough. It's rough. And you need to move your body. When I started working out for my mental health, as opposed to just my physique, my physique changed. Yeah, totally.
1:03:14And then my whole thing changed. It was like I was working out for years with no change. And then the second I was like, well, I have to go work out or else I'm going to feel like shit for the rest of the day. Yeah. Like that's when everything changes. And you like your life a little like lighter and everything's a little better. And it's like. It's true. It's really true. You just got to get those endorphins going, pushing them in your brain. Also like sweating is one of the big ways that your body like flushes toxins. it gets the lymph system going there's so many reasons to exercise yeah um that is one of those and then if none of that works move yeah move and it's okay to move i've had friends that like have moved to the middle of nowhere knowing no one and have come out like better people for it totally it's just like like didn't you move here not knowing anyone where are you from atlanta okay I had some friends, but not really.
1:04:12But yeah, it was awesome. And I also will say I was really affected by the seasons for all of college, all of my childhood, and then moving here. I feel lighter. Yeah, yeah, totally. The sun is a really big deal. The sun, you know where the sun hits the hardest? New York. Oh, well, you know what that is? It's because we collectively as a people suffer for months. For months. For months. And then the second it's like 60 degrees, shorts, we would all go to the park in high school. Literally, everyone's outside like, I love everything. Yes. Yes. It's a collective sigh. It's a myth. The vibes in spring in New York are fucking in that bullet.
1:04:51Oh, I'm so ready to fly that tomorrow. I'm like, get me on the plane. Yeah, right. We're ready. I'm ready. I'm about to go lay out and just vibe. But yes, don't be afraid to move and move your body. Move in all aspects. Follow your intuition as well. If you're like, I'm really feeling like this move might be good, just, you know, follow that. Yeah. Follow that. Because you really only live once. It's true. You really do. Whenever I'm like, should I do this? Should I not? I'm like, well, what the fuck? What else am I going to do? What else am I going to do? Nothing. Exactly. Crazy. I'm slowly watching my partner turn into a conspiracy theorist.
1:05:24I've always loved his passion for current events and even politics, but recently he's just been so weighed down by it, but still insists on watching and consuming every story, opinion, et cetera. Not only is this just unattractive, it makes me sad for his day-to-day well-being. How do I help him without hurting him? Oh, shit.
1:05:48I don't know because, like, I don't know what makes a conspiracy theorist anymore. Yeah, actually, very good point. Do you know what I mean? Like, there's so much, that's, like, I'm reading that, I was, like, am I? Like there's so much information pumped out constantly that like maybe you guys are just going down two different paths. It's very possible. I always say in times of conflict like this with a partner, like, and you want to bring something up to them, which is like actually just their problem. I always say like try to reframe, always, always talk, like keep talking, but try to reframe it about you.
1:06:26Like saying, I'm feeling far away from you. I feel like we maybe spend a little less time talking about our mutual interests. I just want to feel close to you. Could we maybe spend a little more time doing this as opposed to this? You know what I mean? Or like, I would really like to try having like a no phone hour, like maybe where we can just reconnect or make it about sex. I don't know. You know what I mean? Just watch a movie together. Yeah. Like cook together. Not about like, not a movie about like nine 11. Like, you know what I mean? Like something, else yeah try that first maybe and like maybe maybe look at yourself and like being like am i being judgmental totally you know what i mean like i could totally like because like you don't know everyone's like it it's that is so tricky it's very hard maybe you should get into it maybe you should also become a conspiracy theorist and see what the vibe is i feel like that sex would be incredible.
1:07:28I've been with my boyfriend for around a year and the fact that he's kind of broke is really getting to me. For context, before we started dating, he would get me flowers weekly and all these random gifts. And I get it. He's got a part-time job and is studying, but like he spends more money on betting than on me nowadays. What do I do and how do I not sound like an entitled ass? Wait, cause the betting is also for you, no? Yeah. And you need to watch industry season three the episode the christmas episode where rishi literally blows up his life yeah that's so funny wait okay actually i want to talk about this because this is really interesting like there's totally like you get to have your like non-negotiables obviously Everyone gets to set and maintain their own boundaries.
1:08:21And life is so hard right now. People are broke. Jobs suck. Gas is a million dollars. It is. I don't even drive and I know that. Okay, exactly. I don't even drive currently and I know that. But I would just say, especially post-COVID, things have been so crazy with all the things. like maybe just try to have a little more compassion for like why someone might be broke unless you think they're like not trying. I think her issue is that they're spending money in other facets. But I think the compassion still applies because he's betting, but like clearly to like. Wait, wait, wait, wait. Betting?
1:09:09Oh my God. I thought you meant like linens as in bed linens. No, that's why I said watch industry. and that's why I was like, know that he's betting his money. Oh, hell no. Gambling? No. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Scratch everything I said. I'm obsessed with your switch up on that. Compassion about betting? Yeah. Give me a break. No, no, that would drive me through a fucking wall. We saw how that ended in industry. Exactly. Watch that episode because your life's going to shit. One of the great Christmas episodes of industry. It's so crazy that it's a Christmas episode. I'm telling you, It's always the fucking Christmas episode.
1:09:43It's always the Christmas. I wonder what they'll do for this Christmas episode. That's what I was wondering because this Christmas, was this Christmas the Kit Harington episode when it was? Yeah, that was. Yeah, in Muck Manor, they had the big tree and all this stuff. And Yaz kicks out her on. Iconic. Hey, Jake and lovely guest. Basically, my dad gave me his old iPad but still had his WhatsApp connected to it and I saw him texting a mistress of some sort. my heart dropped because I thought my parents were healthy and good. I snooped a little more to find out this girl was his sugar baby of sorts.
1:10:18And he was signed up to all these sugar daddy sites. Is it my place to ask him about it or should I go straight to my mom? Help. This is so weird. Oh, I think that really depends on what your relationship is with both of the parents. You're already handling it better than I would because like you're writing in and you're like trying to find a good way to like getting advice. Oh, I don't know what I would do. I would go to my sibling if I had a sibling and be like, what the fuck am I supposed to do with this? And if you don't have a sibling, I would go to my mom. Oh, yeah. I would go to my mom.
1:10:52I would just say this is what's happening. Deal. I can't. Oh, God. Yeah. Yeah, that's probably the way, isn't it? Yeah. I didn't have two parents to do this sort of thing with, so. Yeah, that would be, I think, my thing would be I would go to my mom. Ooh, you know what I might do, a la Harper? I might go to my dad and be like, if you don't deal with this, I will. Yeah, that's also a good. And threaten him. Yeah. My thing is I would feel so guilty that if my mom knew I knew and like. Oh, right. It's so. Oh, yeah. I guess it depends on the personality of the parents as well. Good luck. Good luck.
1:11:29Well, what did we learn today? What did we learn today? I learned about the bodies and the mind. Oh, yeah. Like how they connect. We learned about vitamin D and K3. Believing in yourself. yeah totally and like surviving your Saturn return hell yeah I learned and I mean I sort of like gleaned this of you anyway but like you're such a kiki like you're such a key you're such a key you're so much fun you clearly love to have fun and you love people like you have a show where you get to talk to people about people you also clearly love to help people if you have people writing in thank you you want to talk about advice so I learned today that like you're really for the streets yeah i am really for the streets you are a community person yes i feel very like loved and appreciated by you you are i i'm so glad you feel that way because you are so loved and appreciated thank you very much um yeah i'm really grateful that we got to do this me too well thanks for coming on the show bye pussies
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