Session 122: Marisa Abela

0:12Are you ready? Yeah. Marisa Abela is here! Yay! I mean, no introduction needed on my end. Yeah, well, I think for a lot of people, I think. she plays Yaz in the best show on television. I'll die by that industry on HBO. And I have been an industry fan since COVID. We've great. Yeah. We've talked about this and it took people a minute to catch on like yesterday. Yeah. Yeah. Unfortunately, this episode is going to contain spoilers because I do need to talk about it all. I think so. Also, I think I like by, by this point, it's too much to be like, no spoiler. Like get, you've got to get watching it now.

0:54The character development of Yaz reminds me of Daenerys in Game of Thrones. Oh, yeah, yeah. Kind of, right? Yeah, totally. You want her to win so bad. What the fuck is going on? I know. I mean, also, especially if we rewind to the beginning of season one, this is a girl walking in, carrying salads, super vulnerable, super scared, getting bullied at work, not sure if she's ever going to be able to say anything like boo to a goose and suddenly like we're here i just feel like she gets screwed over what was it the end of season one was harper screwing her over with the hr complaint yeah yeah season two how did season season two season two her father cut her off right yeah so she's left with she has no money right at the end of season two and she's locked out of her apartment she's like fiddling with her keys and she's locked out of her apartment her father's cut her off so But then season three, she's living with Harper and Rob.

1:50Oh, I miss Rob. I know. I know. Me too. I miss him. She's such a soft, gooey, gushy part of the show that now doesn't exist. I mean, that season three finale, I honestly might rewatch it tonight just to feel something. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Also because I think, I mean, there are so many turning points for Yasmin. Like, so many turning points for who she, like, for the evolution of, like, the woman that we see now in front of us at the end of season four that's a big one at the end of season three that choice that that choice that she makes that defines the rest of her it totally does right she makes a choice and she's like i want that and then obviously what is season four happens but i was saying is that i think the biggest turning point for yasmin as a character actually is there's a moment in season two with there's a character kenny the northern irish yeah yeah who conor mcnail is like one of my favorite people on the planet he's so good and he comes up and she's in a meeting and he he says something to her about the fact that i can't believe you would let this happen to venetia and he bullied her for the whole of season one and yasmin goes in and for the first time we see like the gun finger come out and her being like oh i remember on the trading floor right yeah and like she i think that's that was a moment that i think making and come out the writers were like oh marisa could be like a gangster i don't know about where she's going but 100 i think what mickey and come out like we're thinking was where how far can we push the audience's allegiances you know like this is a woman who has also the amazing thing about television as like a long form art form i guess is you have years to live with the character so we're not asking people to jump in after like 20 minutes of exposition and being like and this is how like right someone comes to these decisions we're saying you've seen everything that happened to her for her about her for like the last five years this is the culmination of all of those things how do you feel now and it's like okay so the thing about me is I'm a little uh stupid in the head so i actually didn't understand what was going on in season four like i understood that harper and eric were short were betting on the loss of tender of tender betting on tender losing that's like that's what you need to know right okay great that's what i got it that's because i was like wait i feel like i'm but then how oh and you that moment there's this like moment in season four where yaz realizes what harper's doing and she just has this moment of like she's so not surprised yeah 100 she's wearing that like insane 80s orange shirt she's like why are you hell bent on blowing up like my life why can't you be happy for me and i think it's so interesting i either meet people who are like yasmin i would walk through fire for her or i meet people who are like can't stand her like she's so entitled she's so whatever and i don't necessarily mean now i think this season is like throwing a spell out of the works for everyone but from season one they're like oh shut up like you know and for me but i mean either way i'm like people feel something so i'm happy but for the people who loved yasmin and were like she's an icon those people i feel sorry for yeah because i'm like how do you back that you can't it's all backable it's actually kind of savage like even if you still back her you kind of can't say that out loud you can't because it's like it's like well she's like it's human trafficking yeah it's human trafficking but how like where where is the money coming from at this point because you see her walk in with these bags with kiernan shipka and like all these bags and you're like but where is she now making this money well someone like stefanovich who is the like the guy that she's hosting the dinner for will be kind of I guess backing her she's not paying for any of it so she's kind of um she's like organizing all of it but they're these people are sort of funding her lifestyle now which means she's kind of at the mercy again she's put herself in a situation where she's at the mercy of men who don't necessarily have the best intentions but this thing of what she's decided to do with hayley's character i mean there's no two ways about it it's come out of her own head yeah no one's got a gun to her head forcing her to do this so but it's a way of of having control i mean like she's always even since season one like her body and sex in one way or another has been a currency for her and as she gets older and i I think she's become more like numb to her own desires.

6:49She's just using that in other people. I mean, it's intense. It's intense. Yeah. Was there a moment this season, like do you discover what's happening when you get the sides or when you do like a read through? When I have a meeting, so we were optioned for three seasons. I had a meeting with Mickey and Conrad when they were pitching season four to us and I was like, what's the vibe? and they were like hear me out sex trafficking and I was like what like how do we even get there I mean I couldn't understand but then again I was like when they were like in season three they were like hear me out you kill your dad yeah yeah and I love a challenge you know what I mean so I was just excited to kind of get into it with them you know and like I was excited to motivate something that felt unmotivatable and um i just love doing the show i love the writing i love like what they allowed me to do that second episode like my god yeah there's a moment with you and henry and you're fighting and you like almost hit him yeah yeah and he winces yeah like that that was my favorite moment to you yeah that was felt real it's it's also so dark like that thing someone saying something to you and you're going to hit them and and them like wincing it's like it's kind of savage to watch and also that's that whole scene that whole argument is just one take which is like overwhelming because you're like don't fuck this up you know what i mean at the other final like minute of that scene it's like a six minute scene or something do you think we've seen the end of eric i don't know i mean i don't know again it's kind of that sort of like unforgivable it's like it's like how do you come back from that his performance when he gets that text amazing when he gets that text and he's like looking straight out and there his kid is oh my god his kid is calling for him yeah and you're like oh my god yeah and he finally comes to like the point where he's like this is it for me but what i love about the show is that so often i think the notes that people get especially with female characters it's like it's too unlikable I don't like she's unrootable like I don't uh like the audience are never gonna back her they're never gonna watch them again I'm making the writers are just like yeah whatever right you know what I mean like people are people exist we can like push the boundaries of what people are willing to accept and women especially are like allowed to be very flawed and I will trust that people will still watch them and enjoy them you know I love doing that first of all like it's an it's an opportunity for you to just go crazy it's so fun like when there's a scene in in season three when I'm talking to Ken Eric Yasmin's talking to Eric's character she's wearing like a lawyer wig and there's a girl doing like a handstand in the background and they're like on coke and they're like talking at a million miles an hour and it's just so fun like I know the audience loves that part of the show too so whenever there's like a go out scene and like a go crazy scene i'm happy for them they also set it up so well they're like should we go out and then they're like yeah and that's when you know like the episode flips yeah 100 and when she says i want to do all the thing that lords do yeah but lord sings about and she's like i think lord sings about being 17 and i was like exactly yeah i love being 17 i'm just like it's so fun and i and i love that for the audience like i love that i mean i think that the audience of the show as well is one of the reasons that the show has done so well because they are like they will they back it you know they're like i want to see these people have so much fun i want to see them like take drugs and party and like mickey and comrade are like yeah go on then does mickey and comrade they're ex bankers yeah so they this is all like where did this idea begin for them i think they just thought you know i think that there was the kind of honestly i think there was at the time something at hbo where they were like we really want to do things that are kind of peek behind the curtain of a world that people don't fully understand and i think they were like well we know that we know industry we know the finance industry and we can do that also i you know look like wolf of wall street and what people love right sex drugs and money yeah you know and like at the core of it well that's what industry was about in season one sex drugs and money and now i know it's about sex trafficking literally i was like watching the finale and i was like holy shit i remember at the end of season one when the biggest thing the biggest yeah thing with season one was the speech that they had to give do you remember what was that speech that they had to like prove their worth to the company yeah and and gus's character was like uh short the short the vix buy the dip fuck bitcoin or something like that and that was like everyone was like this is so crazy and it comes out of nowhere too it out of nowhere but it's like where was she left to go you i mean that sounds horrible because it's like there's like other places left to go other than sex trafficking but like really like what she was working for henry's uncle or something yeah it was very unfulfilled it seemed oh my god also i do think and maybe i'm crazy but i think at the beginning of um of the season like she's trying to be a good wife to him she is you know that episode too like when she's like opening the curtains and she wants to have sex with him and Like she wants to, you know, and here's, we know what Yasmin's like in the bedroom.

12:36We've seen it in season one, two. This guy doesn't even want to touch her. Doesn't want to look at her. He doesn't find her. Like there's, she's so unfulfilled and she's, if her ultimate goal is to feel necessary, this guy is literally saying like, I have maids that do that. I have other people to have sex with. I have other, like I have drugs to get happiness from. Just blend in and be part of the furniture. And like, as if that's ever going to happen, you know. No. that episode two is one of the most insane when that plot twist drops at the end of episode two and you realize he's talking to his dad yeah I had no idea I didn't either what do you mean I also like even reading it I was like what's going on and then when we were when we were like on set I was like oh it's a good it's the ghost of his father and like it all kind of came to me in like Like also that actor, Jack Farthing is so good.

13:31Yeah, he's incredible. It's such a great performance. And Kit is so good in that episode. And like when he comes in and there's Elton John glasses and kicking up a storm. And I mean, it was just wild. Like it was also what show was that? Like we've been doing industry on a trading floor for three, three seasons. We're suddenly in this like manor house in Somerset. And we're just, it's like a period drama. I mean, it was kind of insane, you know? And the woman that played my aunt was amazing. She was incredible. She was so fat. When Yaz kicks her out. I know. But that line was so cutting where she said, like, your father was going to terminate you.

14:09I know. I was like, oh, my God. So dark. So dark. Yazmin takes some punches. She really does. She gets up. She gets up every single time. I'm like, so season five is the last season. Yeah. For sure. Officially, it's the last season. i know it do you think it's gonna happen like i feel like every season it gets bigger and bigger and bigger and bigger and bigger did you guys think you were getting a season two after season one no way so like mickey and conrad write every season like it's the last one and that's why at the end you're always like oh my god but the fact is is that the fact that now and if that's how they wrote it i guess they always if this is the last one then we want to go out with the band we You don't want to hold any punches.

14:55But I guess they're always hoping there's another season. Whereas the great thing about season five and what I'm excited for is that they know it's not coming back. It's their choice. They were like, we don't want it to get worse. So it's done. So what can they do with that energy if they fully don't even hope it's coming back? I'm scared, personally. It'll be fun. you know when did what what point did you realize the show was catching on um i think when hbo decided to cast kit harrington i was like oh they're they back it yeah because kit brings an audience by himself we all were like we were really passionate about creating something that people loved and just every day we come into work and we'd like give it everything the show has a real energy of like it was never like and cameras are like so what you doing you know what i mean people were like really amped up about it but when kit joined i was like oh there are gonna be eyes on now and i felt that ramp up and then when it came out people were just like i mean you could just feel it more people on the street are like i'm obsessed with industry like on tiktok yeah on tiktok making those amazing i love like the little like yasmin harper montages or whatever i didn't even it just and this season even more than ever um i won a bapta in season three so that was thank you well fucking deserved by the way thank you well fucking deserved that one was like oh like people think our performances are like they're brilliant thank you they're brilliant they're so like is nuance the right word?

16:43Yeah. I mean, like, I'm like, yeah, I think, like, nuance is that, like, there's just so much depth, and what's her name is incredible. Sweet Pea. Miriam. Yeah. You know, Miriam and I went to youth theater together where I grew up in Brighton. Did you really? Yeah, we, I mean, she's younger than me, but she must have been, like, 11, and I was, like, 14, and we were just sort of, like, skipping around a room, and they were like, now be sunshine or whatever. And when she turned up in season three, I was like, Miriam? It was crazy. Oh, you had no idea? I had no idea she was doing it, but I love her.

17:19And I think she's so good. And I think the casting in the show is so smart. It is so smart. Who are these? You know, we were all, it was my first job. I was still at drama school when I booked industry. Tell me about like the booking of it all. This is so embarrassing. so they were they were louis vuitton trainers that i bought for the read-through uh-huh and i turned up on that day because they were like yasmin is a rich girl she's you know the the logline for yasmin was a vulnerability disguised by prada and i thought okay like i need to like present it's like you know i was still a student i had no money whatever it's like i need to present it's what i knew i was getting this you know my first ever paycheck so with my first paycheck i went to louis vuitton and i bought these trainers but they were like hype beastie trainers massive yeah insane so not yasmin so not anything i would like normally but i i was just like what says lv the loudest i could possibly see it those i bought them and i remember turning up and mickey and the writers looking at me being like no babe wait and but you had already booked the part i'd already booked the part thank god yeah and the audition was like lena downham was in the room because obviously she directed episode one so like the other one in the room uh the casting director mickey and comrade and i remember uh i had an audition that was just me then i did a chemistry read with harry for robert then yeah i mean i was like i said i was set at drama school i booked it um before i graduated so i like went back to rada halfway through episode one to graduate like it was insane i was literally 22 you were 22 when you booked it yeah wow yeah it's crazy do you remember the scene that you auditioned with yes it was um it was a scene well one of them was uh a scene the scene where kenny puts the asmin on the bin and she has to like pitch what she thinks it was horrible he was horrible and you forget that yeah i forgot that in season four until you literally just reminded me that he was like bullied her at work yeah yeah yeah and then when she tried to like bully someone back he was like no yeah yeah yeah so that's why like growth sober journey yeah but that's why her decisions like make like they don't make sense because they're horrible but like you understand why we've how we've gotten how we've gotten to a point yeah for sure i mean doing the chemistry read with him was really useful with harry was really useful I mean I remember Harry being like well now we're like very very close friends and we're halfway through season one we were like talking and he was like I thought you were a bitch in that chemistry read and I was like what and he was like yeah I remember thinking oh she's gonna get it and like this is gonna be such a nightmare and I was like no way it's probably great for the chemistry because that kind of was the vibe but I was not it was nerves I was nervous I wasn't really talking to him.

20:22He already had the part. Right. And you had it. I hadn't. I didn't have it. Right. So it was nerves. And I guess I wasn't like, hi, nice to meet you. Yeah. I was like, hello. Yeah. Let's go. I go here. I'm yes. See the job. You know what I mean? Yeah. And I really. Also, she's the dominant one sexually in that relationship. So I was like, you had. He had the power in the room because he had the job. I didn't. But I was like, don't cuck me, bitch. Yeah. Like, I'm here to like, I'm the boss. Did you ever have to do a chemistry read with Mahala? No, which is insane because we have the best chemistry in the show.

20:57Yeah. Yeah, thank God, by the way. Because if the show would just be a complete, I don't even know if Yasmin would be a character anymore if it wasn't for like that chemistry. It became the love story of the show and it so easily couldn't have been. It's the only love I feel like they know. Yeah, yeah, yeah, totally. Is with each other. Yeah, yeah. And it's like they keep betraying each other and it's like how low is too low for them until there's no going back. Yeah, I mean, maybe this. Well, you finally see Harper have morals. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Right, right, right. You finally see her be like, what is going on?

21:32This is her line. The craziest part of season four was when you were at the house in Austria. I know. And you're looking at the painting and it says A, Hitler. I know, I know, I know, I know. And she's like, what the fuck? You're at an actual Nazi house. I know, I know, I know. It was insane. It was insane. I literally was like, I said to Mickey and Conrad, I was like, this is so dark. And like the fact that Yasmin then goes for a walk with her afterwards. And it's like, what are we? I mean, no, actually that was at the end, wasn't it? But still invites her to the dinner. And sits her next to Harper.

22:12And when she sits on the sofa with Harper at the very end, it's like, I'm really sorry. Obviously I had no idea. Lies, bitch. You had every idea. You did have an idea. You saw the Hitler painting. But I feel like Yasmin almost believes it herself. Yeah. She's like, well, you know, everything's kind of excusable. I didn't know that they'd actually be racist, like, then and there. Right, right. You know what I mean? Like, it's one thing to have a Hitler painting. It's another thing to be, like, racist at a dinner table. Yasmin just, like, is full of excuses. She's full of excuses. Yeah. What do you make of her playing her dad's voicemail over and over and over again?

22:46I think it's a bit like, you know what they tell you Scientologists kind of do, which is like trauma, like shock therapy. How many times can you listen to this thing that has traumatized you until you are completely devoid of the horrible emotional response from it? That's what she's trying to do. She's like, we're seeing herself numb in real time. you know like I see Yasmin this season as like a big kind of like door like doors being like locked one at a time right and that's the final like clink and she's just like yeah a villain yeah a villain I mean I don't want to say like she's in her villain era because that makes it sound like better than it is like she's it's fully like there's no there's no coming back from what's happened there isn't but we're about to do a season five so what the fuck is happening i don't know and i'm are you when do you guys start filming again august i have the first episodes do you really yeah i don't even normally i would be like tell me everything off camera i don't even want to know no i don't think you do i need to experience it i don't want to know before i go in i want to read the episodes as they come the only time i needed to know ahead of time was season three where obviously in episode six it's clear that yasmin's killed yasmin's killed her dad right so you need to know that from the beginning because there's flashbacks but if there's no flashbacks i don't need to know because yasmin doesn't know so like let it happen in real time but i mean you know i read these last two episodes and i was like are they do these oh like yeah like like does it put season four on its head kind of um the thing the great thing about mickey and comrade is that they don't go like exposition at the beginning of the episode as to why like everything has changed now they back themselves and they're like oh we said this is where it was gonna go so this is where we are but it's not necessarily like you know it's not what you'd expect i never is no it never is yeah i miss pure point i know me too i miss the good old days i know a trading floor yeah just i said that i was like it would be really nice to see you know at some point in season five a big trading floor scene i don't know where that would happen or how it would yeah yeah yeah oh my god well truly your performance this season has just been nothing short of extraordinary it is so nice it's true and i tell you every time i see you out i'm always like oh my god i love that every time i see you out like i'm just like always like out and about on the street but you every time i see you always like i love you i know i know i know and i really appreciate it obviously it's like the nicest thing well you it's well well deserved thank you louise do you have any questions because this is louise's today is louise's roman empire i mean i guess it's not like there's just so much there's so much meat to the show like henry can we talk more about your relationship with henry yeah i would love to touch on more of that because do you love him did you love him did she ever i think i think that he like if you're going to marry for money you don't really ever know fully whether you're in love with someone or not like what they are giving you is so valuable right it feels like love i also don't think that yasmin fully understands what like love is did she ever like lie in bed thinking i wonder if he's thinking about me no fuck no yeah but i don't think and did she about robert yes but does yasmin necessarily equate that to love i don't think so i think she thinks like can i visualize a life with this man yes do i want can't do i want to buy what he's selling yes am i attracted to him yes like that's enough for her did she love him unconditionally does she love would she ever have put him above herself no but she would never do that for anyone maybe harper maybe maybe out of push maybe yeah but like i pray that there's just like i i know there won't be no but i need a happy ending for them i know me too because like that scene where they're at the bar and she says like when the fuck are you gonna look after me and she says tonight and they and you guys like fine you like kiss and you dance and you do drugs and you're like and it's like that's the i think the only moment of like hope throughout all of season four yeah i think the best thing we can see from yasmin that would feel redeemable to an audience that loves harper as well i think would be for her to do something that feels like purely altruist like purely good for harper like a selfless act for harper it's like what we need from yasmin in season five we've never seen it no we've never seen it like even when harper was staying at yasmin's house yasmin kind of like held it over her head a bit 100 100 yeah but i do think like i think that yasmin loves harper more than she's ever loved anyone else on the show i think she i think she did love robert but i don't know but it's like it's not you know yeah and i think she loved just how much robert loved her 100 i think she miss robert i know i mean the garden scene it just wrecks no i can't i can't even talk about it also yeah i've not done a sex scene in this show in a while I didn't do one in season four I don't think that was the last one I did was that bench scene with Robert I forgot about that and that was like it was like the first time that I think anyone really on the show had like made love yeah you know and it was like it was the least it was the most sentimental I'd seen the show was that and there's that whole flashback of like all of the moments of their relationship i mean mickey and karen aren't really that the show is not it's pretty unsentimental and pretty savage and then you get moments like that and it's like oh my god it's so i i miss robert too and i think that like i think that he just opens up things for both harper and yasmin that is useful for an audience you know it's just it would be nice for the final season one last time to see the whole gang get back together for like five seconds yeah yeah It's all I could ever want.

29:16Yeah. Marisa, what are you therapist about today? Oh, my God. Okay. Let me think about this. What do people normally say? Like, what kind of - Anything. Anything. I'm therapist that I'm, like, back in the throes of euphoria. Oh, okay. Like, I thought I was off it. I need to - And I'm back on. Yeah. Pretty hardcore. Are you enjoying it? Because - Is it one a week? It's one a week. Okay. And the thing about euphoria that I didn't think they would do that they did is - the characters have all connected again. I thought too much time had passed from season two. Yeah. That, like, Nate and Cassie were doing their own thing.

29:55Alexa Demme was doing her own thing. Like, Rue was doing her, like, everyone was off doing their own thing. But they all come back and connect in episode three. And it gets you. Yeah. And I was sitting there on the couch last night, like, fuck, I'm back in it. I love that. Yeah. It's so amazing to be able to bring all of those people. I mean, those like, like A-list celebrities back together. How, I don't know how they managed to do that. Well, it took five years. Yeah, it's true. Yeah. It's true. It's kind of amazing. I would say that I am pissed about. How hot it is in this room? Tell me. You know what I'm pissed about?

30:33I am pissed about how far LA away is away from London. That's what I'm pissed about. It's far. I wish it was closer. I love it here so much do you really? I really do and I also am pissed about people being like I hate LA and vice versa I hate when people in London are like I could never live there like and I hate when people here are like I could never I hate London I'm like how a lot of people here are like I hate London. What? What is there to hate about London besides the doom and gloom? I think obviously everyone's like I hate the weather but also people are just like it's not like New York in the it's not like anything could happen it's all quite rare and I do get that but I think you once you kind of get under the skin of London it's the best city I think it's like one of the best cities in the world obviously like New York on crack yeah yeah I agree I think it's where are these people going in London I know I think they're like staying at the Corinthia on a press tour and they don't they're not going anywhere else you know what I mean but I love being in LA I think it's so fun but I hate the fact that it is 11 hours away on a plane can't sleep on a plane so i'm just sat there like that you can't you don't even you can't take anything to sleep i mean listen a bit like i mean listen but i can't usually i'm landing and then i'm going to work so i like i'm like no i can't i don't want to like i i i'm always that that shit stays with me yeah and i'd be sat here right now like right right so yeah so i'm obviously I'm always coming here to work so I can't but I yeah I wish it was closer I love London do you yeah what's your favorite thing to do in London I think what I love about London is how and I say this about Europe as a whole is how day by day the culture is as opposed to like let's think a thousand miles in the future because I think a thousand miles in the future every single day and that's just like how I was raised in New York how I was how I live here it's like people can say LA is very day by day but it's not but in Europe it's very like wake up what do we do today yeah let me get my job done for the day yes for sure let me exist as a person today and then we'll figure out tomorrow well I think that's also about like oh I can just sort of walk around and decide what it is I want to do and bump into a person and and have a kind of like spontaneous moment whereas here that is the one thing there's no you can't be spontaneous really can you and I you have to have it figured out because like you've got to get in your car and drive for a while and i don't drive i'm i know that's insane yeah because i obviously get ubers everywhere when i'm here because i've never i don't want to drive on the other side of the road that freaks me out i can't so and i can't imagine living here and ubering everywhere that is i know my uber drivers i know my uber drivers because they probably live like nearby they go yeah yeah do you get recognize like a bunch in london yes in london it depends but the thing is the difference is in london i would get recognized by bankers mostly oh are all the bankers watching the show oh they love it they're obsessed with it because it's real yeah it it strikes a chord for them yeah so in london i would get recognized mostly by bankers and obviously in la and new york i get recognized by creatives yeah and so that's a different feeling because you're like people aren't like yasmin they're like oh my god the actress that plays yasmin and they want to talk to you about like the making of the show or like you where is it whereas people in london are like it's yasmin you know what i mean i'm like it's not but have you ever been like scared to like play a certain storyline out for yasmin because you're like scared to like portray it or yeah i was definitely scared about the end of this season so it's like it's just it's so dark and also i was like are people going to be okay in terms of their own experiences watching this like that i think you have to be aware of and like aware of you know whenever you're getting into kind of areas around like consent and all that kind of stuff you've got to be careful um in a in an artistic way I'm not necessarily scared to like broach difficult territory I think as an actor the things I'm usually more scared about are like sex scenes or like you know that's like nerve-wracking whenever I see that in a script I'm like okay I've got on or there's going to be a day in that month where I am naked in front of a whole room full of people and I actually find that scarier than the camera that's capturing it that's going to show it to a million people which is which is weird like I'm because you can separate it yeah it's like you can be like that's gone now but when you're like actively naked in front of I can't even imagine right because also when the camera goes down it's it's me again yeah and that's vulnerable whereas I'm really quite free about the fact that like that person that exists inside your television isn't me but the person that exists when you put the camera down is so if i'm then still stood there naked it's like i'll start i'll have been like wow with the cameras up and then as soon as they go down i'm like this because i'm like that's so exposing you know right and you you've just been talking to the boomer about the fact that like his kid is going to nursery tomorrow you know yeah and you're like i'm naked right yeah and it's just jarring yeah that's jarring when did you know you wanted to act i well my mother is an actor and she mostly does theater has always done theater and i she raised me sort of she's a single mother so when i was when it was a school holidays and stuff she was in a play I'd be like in the rehearsal room for her plays or I'd be in the dressing room while she was getting ready so I was around it a lot but at the same time I knew that it was quite a up and down career I knew that like you know sometimes it went better than others and like in the years where it wasn't so good it was kind of sketchy and it was a hard career so I resisted it for a long time and although I would do school plays and stuff like that I didn't want to do it necessarily as a career I actually was accepted to university to do history with a law conversion and that was my goal and then when I was going to open days at universities I was like I don't care I like just don't care like I wouldn't be an actor but I'm just scared and I think I needed the validate I went to drama school and a lot of people don't but I needed the I needed an institution like RADA to say to me you're good enough for me to believe it to commit to a lifetime of being an actor and then did you were you on a bunch of auditions before industry or was industry one of the first industry was like maybe my third professional audition ever and did you like think anything like did you go into it thinking like I'm gonna book this this show is going to change my life or i have to say like okay no i didn't know that it was going to change my life and i didn't i knew it was good i'd read enough scripts by that point to know that like this was really good didn't i wasn't like i'm gonna get this but i have to say i think i like accidentally manifested my whole life like i was never like i was never like oh is it gonna happen for me I think once I got into Radha and once I was you know in that amazing creative space with amazing actors and like surrounded by people that were inspiring to me I was like like you have to back yourself yeah otherwise it's such a scary industry it's such a scary I mean you know what it's like when you're if you're gonna put yourself out there you have to like think something can happen from it otherwise what's the point so when I walked in that room did I know I was gonna get that part no but was I like if they give it to me I could do it yeah yeah um yeah I was I was excited and I didn't think for a second like you know on that first season like that I would end up here about to do a fifth season really in a show that people think is good no I didn't know it was gonna be like that has become yeah it's amazing are you are you scared to say goodbye to Yaz I am I am scared to say goodbye I am I love I love playing her I'm excited for the future like what what you know at the end of the day there is something obviously incredible about being in something for five seasons but also it's a lot of time so what does my life look like when I'm a bit more free I part of the great thing about being an actor is like playing all of these different roles so I'm excited to see what that brings but and you know you do you take meetings with people and they're always like and have you got another season of industry and you're like yeah and they're like okay well I'll see you then so that's exciting but yeah i mean i just hope my god like wherever we end this last season is where she ends and that is the suckiest part thank god she didn't end here though because they would yeah i know for sure they would if hbo didn't pick it up like that would like that's the last image of yasmin lying on that floor listening to her dad's voicemail i mean bleak really bleak but Who knows?

40:13The next one might be even bleaker. I pray it's not. But I know it will be. I know. That's the worst part is I know that it's – In industry, I feel like there is not a happy ending for anyone. Yeah. Ever. Yeah, I know. I know. I think that maybe Rob got an okay ending. He's driving away. Obviously, it was heartbreaking. Where did he go off to again? The States, right? Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Or San Francisco or something to sell mushrooms. Yeah. Good for him. Good for him. Do you keep in touch with Harry? Yeah. Yeah. My heart of Harry and I are very close. How are you dealing with, like, visibility in the public?

40:54How do you handle that? Because I feel like every season for Industry gets bigger and bigger and bigger and bigger. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's interesting. I never think of myself as someone who anyone really, I mean, like, fame. it's so interesting there are such varying degrees of it in our industry you see people that are like it feels crazy for me to talk about fame when like you know there are like people that are so famous in the world you know what i mean there's a bit like all i care about is having the level of success that means i can book whatever job i want to do and like so for that with industry I feel like it's a kind of a perfect level of people that watch it especially in our industry like it enough to think like she's good she could do this you know what I mean that's great when I'm not some you know sometimes when people are like for example I was like picking up a prescription the other day at um my pharmacy in London and I was like it was like post-workout I was like holding like pills like this in my hand and someone was like can I get a picture and I was like I really don't want to be the person who's like no right at this point in my career it's like who do you think you are you know it's not like everyone's stopping me every five minutes on the street but like you know you should that kind of side of it is a bit is I guess a bit jarring but I just like love that people love the show and it always depends what they say when people are like I love if someone's like I loved you in back to black or I loved you in back black black bag I'm like oh I'm always I always expect it to be industry so when it's something else I'm like oh that's so oh I know I told you I loved back to black thank you I really did yeah I thought you did an excellent job it's very kind of you it was a you know it's it's a big one and it's stressful to take on something that is so in terms of visibility you know that's hard taking something on where like people have genuine it's one thing whether people think that like people hate yasmin or love yasmin but they like at the end of the day if they're watching industries because they like the show whereas when you're playing someone like amy winehouse that's going to just come with opinions that is very difficult to juggle well because people are like you are taking on someone that we know you know yeah we know her and that was always the thing with Amy was I feel like that people she was this ingenue that everyone thought they knew and she just completely like rejected that yeah and so you kind of saw that in the way people react to anything done with her right right also it's like they're like they have personal connections to her music which I have nothing to do with which I completely understand you know you're like if that's if Back to Black is the album you listen to when you were going through your first heartbreak or when you were like didn't have friends at school and that was the album that you listened to and then there's like this girl that's like I'm about to play Amy Winehouse you're a bit like well that's she's my what are you talking you know what I mean I get that but it's interesting I think that you know I think that women have a very hard time with biopics often people are a bit more like no you stay in your lane yeah you know what I mean and I think that that's hard and it's hard to watch frankly like you know young men get away with it in a way that like i just see people you know attach to things and then there's an outcry online and then they drop out because you know i think it's it's it's hard it's almost like we see you as this star.

44:46Right. We see you as Marisa Bella, this star. You also can't be this person. Yeah, 100%. It's like almost like all the dudes can get along, but it's like all, like the woman can't be other. And also it's like, was she, I think there's a thing of like, would she have even liked you? You know what I mean? Right. But it's like, can these two women share a space, you know? And I think people are a bit more like, who do you think you are? Yeah. That is an icon. and who do you think you are and like people don't want that from women which is it's hard to take it to step into it what you're saying is you are willing to at least try and fill the space of something that is massive and amazing and people are like not you you know what I mean and that's really I don't think that's going to change anytime soon unfortunately but it's what I love about Mickey and Conrad writing industry like you know they're like be messy make mistakes go crazy and it really gives us a space to not be so afraid I mean you know I remember when I was filming Back to Black I was like people are gonna hate this and I never felt like that with industry even when I'm doing something like the end of season four yeah you know people might hate this but I'm like I never feel like people are gonna hate me it's because yeah it feels like I don't know I feel like I view it as such like a people view like like women as like we want you to be successful in this bubble we've created the second you join bubbles with another female or whatever like exist outside of the space we've created you in like it's your off I don't want to know yeah exactly yeah well what's something you like learned about Amy while filming that because I'm a huge fan are you yeah me too I mean she's just the most amazing artist I guess I mean there were so many things things like I mean little stories that were helpful were things like you know she had this she had a bird that she loved and it died when she was 12 called Ava after like Ava Gardner and they had a funeral for it like she loved animals things like that like she was so giving she would always there were like neighbors that she had that she would always like try and support financially incredibly giving incredibly generous which i think gets lost in the fact that you know in just her reputation and and the the kind of uh the like outbursts that she would have publicly sort of out shone everything else but this spirit of generosity and people around her when i was researching for the role would say things to me like that is so important she was so funny like she could make a whole room of people laugh and she was like she was you know she could have been a stand-up if she wanted to be she could have been this and I think that that was really important yes I'm playing like Amy Winehouse the singer but it's like no you're playing the person the person that could have been a million things if she wanted to be and um I think the main thing that I wanted to explore was like her capacity for love like this woman that like wanted so badly to like be loved and be a wife and a mother and like that was the heartbreak for me in the story was I mean she couldn't have reached higher heights in her career but again like where do you play where does your value come from I mean I think the thing about Amy was that she was someone with like actually a lot of self-belief if anyone had told her she was a bad singer she'd have been like as if yeah she 100 knew that she was like great in that way but did that give her the sense of value that she was really looking for as a person no and that's why where drugs and alcohol come in you know yes there's like there's a fear and there's a shyness when someone steps on stage and i do think that that that got to her because she people thought she was great so she had to be great every time but really that like that hole came from the fact that like this thing that she was great at wasn't yeah fulfilling her oh god it's heartbreaking it's really heartbreaking yeah do you have a favorite amy song um i think love is a losing game it's like one of the greatest songs of all time it's one of those i found fuck me pumps like the first album more like i love that song i love doing all of that album like playing that version of amy was so great because obviously it's more joyful so it was so fun to like play fuck me pumps and do um all that stuff obviously yeah but love is a losing game what's that song she has about the guy being gay maybe oh yeah oh uh please go to her first album what's it called it's called like um it's so good yeah it's so funny it's so quick she's so witty she was so witty so witty oh stronger than me stronger than me stronger than me of course also by the way i had to sing that song a million it didn't say that i couldn't even remember the name i had to sing that song a million times because it was a montage in the movie so i sung it in like a hundred different versions of where she was and it was i mean i probably sang that song more than any other song in the film in terms of like how many times i actually sang it it was it's that's what I mean she's like she could have been a stand-up that is a hilarious song yeah it's a yeah it's like you are you gay yeah are you gay like why am I yeah taking care of you I feel like all she wanted to do is be so loved and taken care of to be looked after but at the same time like the pure force of personality I mean people would say things to me like the thing about amy was if she decided she was not into you that day like it was the coldest place you could possibly be really like she was a savage in that way like when you were in her when you were basking in her light it was like the warmest most beautiful place to be if she was in a bad mood with you it was like not fun right like oh baby chills i was like okay just powerful yeah very powerful oh wow I think one day I'll be able to watch it and be like, at least like proud of the person that did that, like, was the film that for that, you know, it's a hard one for me.

51:15But, you know, I, yeah, I'm glad it now I'm glad I did it. And I'm glad it exists. But was it tough in the moment when people like had opinions about it? It was. It was tough. And it was tough because, like, you know, I had to, at the end of the day, it was a film that was, like, about this one person and I was playing her. I had to promote it. And the question that every journalist had asked me was, like, how are you dealing with the fact that, like, no one wants you to be doing this? That's what they would say. And I'd be like, it's so rude. And I'd be like, well, you know, it was, it's hard.

51:51But I think the film speaks for itself. and you have to just go but it's like why would you ask me that right i mean what you want to be like is and there was also a part of me that was like amy would tell you to fuck off if you ask her that question am i not to swear because i feel like i've swearing yes oh my god yes um but i have to sit here like an idiot and and just be polite and like whatever just like nod along and and it was it's brutal it's horrible it's so but so actually yeah even more than people than because at the end of the day something like twitter or instagram or whatever it exists until you delete the fucking app and then it's not real anymore you know what i mean like no one it's as real as you make it so you can be there like doom scrolling i deleted instagram i didn't have instagram for like nine months because the day the first day i was on set was in soho and there were paparazzi pictures and they went out and it was like everyone was like boo you know and it I was like it was so jarring but I was just like delete and then I've got to do my job at the end of the day yeah I can't not turn up to work tomorrow so I have to turn up to work tomorrow and believe it and do it how can I create an environment where I can do my job so I just deleted the app and I didn't see it so it wasn't real until people would tell me it was and like you know it's always it's always the people that are like um you know yeah you're like okay I'll never i know you're not my friend right i mean how are you doing yeah they're like oh my god i couldn't do that i couldn't do it yeah you're so strong i could not do it i'm like okay you're saying i couldn't like do the job where like everyone hates like do tell me that yeah you're being them yeah exactly i want you as my friend to lie to me right now and say it's not even that like it's not even that fuck that who cares like they're losers everyone like it's gonna be amazed but you know what I mean like you that's what you need in those moments so um that was harder was like the when people you know what I mean but I I is I think I think it taught me a lesson of like what it is I want from my career like when I when I take a job why am I taking it like what kind of characters do I want to explore and I need to be able to when I'm doing promotion for something back it i need to be able to because otherwise it's a long it's a long slog this job you know you can't just it's not the three months that you're filming or the six months or the one month or the whatever it's like these things exist now and they're online and they're on amazon or they're on whatever and people are going to be able to watch it forever so you need to be able to back it a thousand percent but i remember you saying to me and i mean i don't know if it's too much but remember you saying to me like there's a community you like online that you're like you don't know whether they like people fully accept you and they mean it's the same oh no yes yes yes yes oh yeah i said this to you at the oscar night yeah yeah yeah and then oh my god that week after was was it yes oh my god i got destroyed why because people thought i did a a bad job on the carpet which was whatever but what i realized though at the end of it is that But like, well, I'm still breathing.

55:11Exactly. Exactly. And I'm like. What's the worst that could happen? What just happened? And I'm still doing it. And it's crazy because I always thought people, I would always say I'm so scared to get in trouble. I always think about it like going to the, like getting in trouble. Yeah. With the, like my audience or with people watching me. And then I was so petrified of it. So petrified of it. It like consumed my entire being. It still somewhat does. but then at the end of the week when I was still alive and breathing and like I was like oh yeah I still have my friends yeah of course I still have my bed that's it isn't it you're like everyone's gonna be ashamed of me to like be around yeah there's a panic that sets in at the end of the day there must be a reason that we do this and like put ourselves in the firing line for all of it because you want to be validated you want people to be like I love watching you you know i mean i love i agree with you i love like and so so when you put yourself in the firing line and the exact opposite happens you're like oh no this feels bad and of course it does like evolutionarily even like think about it you're being like cast out by the like you know what i mean people that you're begging to accept you it is so jarring and it feels like fight or flight feels like panic yeah but you have to it's really hard to kind of separate your worth from that thing and be like oh I can still do my job I can still carry on and I can still it doesn't mean but then what's hard is that you also have to not believe people when they say you're amazing yeah because you can't be like oh I don't agree when you take say I do a horrible job but when you say I do a great job I believe you you just have to have that like intrinsic faith of like trudging forward like no matter what noise good or bad and it's so easy to be taken by both yeah yeah yeah but I remember I had to do a recording that week in the height of like when everyone was really angry at me and I remember I was like oh my god this I thought they were gonna cancel like I thought all my recordings were gonna cancel yeah yeah and then I would you remember that and I walked in and I was like well I'm I'm so surprised you guys are here like they were like girl who cares they were like also the other thing is is that i think if you've got a good community around you people within our industry that like if anything when i see that happen to someone my instinct is to be like no yeah don't do that to them you know what i mean like don't that's so because it's so it's just so stupid you know it's like it's like this is at the end of the day it's it's not it's not life or death like it's not it's there are real things in this world that are life and death.

57:58And people don't give that the attention they give to bashing people online. It is like the craziest thing. We have like political situations where people can genuinely get away with murder. Legitimate murder. And we're like, you know, my like wig is to the side. And people are like, never again. Yeah, it's canceled. It's crazy. It's crazy. But even like, also people, it doesn't matter to anyone else as much as it matters to you. Like I didn't even, you know what I mean? I didn't even see that. I had no idea that, that, that happened to you. Right. And you, but to you, it feels like. The end of the world.

58:34No one's ever going to want to work with me again. I remember saying that to my agents after, after that, I was like, people are going to be like, Oh, poor girl. She was good in industry. It's such a shame we can never work with her again. You felt that way? 100%. Yeah. I felt like I was like, it was like, it, like you say, it's like, it's like you become like a virus yeah you know you take on this virus of like hatred that other people are pouring onto you you didn't do anything necessarily to deserve it but it's like once you're contaminated by it everyone's like got a hazmat suit on and they're like peace peace and that's the and that's why it's like that if that made me realize anything it's like oh my god i'm so grateful i have real friends yeah yeah because there are certain people that don't have friends no and their friends are all people in work and it's like oh my god I'm so grateful I have best friends from college and I was gonna say so do your friends not all work in the industry because you grew up in LA now but um it's a very my best friend who you just met Alice yeah still works like normal job works retail like she really is a very grounding voice for me when someone that you know wants the best for you it's like I love that person that you have in your life you're like oh actually that's probably good I should definitely yeah okay good and she like she gives me like the toughest toughest toughest love when I don't want to hear it I do not want to hear it she'll come like I'll be on cloud nine she'll come grabbing me down like don't get like don't get it twisted yes like you're this is a false sense of whatever that week when that was all going down she was the one person that made me feel better more than anyone else and I thought she was going to be the one that was like I don't even remember I just remember hanging up the phone and feeling better oh that's all I remember it's just hanging up the phone and being like oh my god like I thought she was going to be like you shouldn't have done that you shouldn't have done this this was a mistake she like didn't do any of that she I hung up the phone and I felt like a weight was lifted I was like oh my god at least I have Alice yeah yeah 100 % I know exactly how that feels and i think that it's the friends that offer you tough love though that in the moments where you know when where you need you just need support can also give it to you yeah it's the people that are being like your biggest cheerleaders on your up that are then like when you're down like those are the moments where they like they don't quite know how to handle the awkward thing of it being like oh it's slightly messy yeah whereas like you know it is this career this like it is messy it's messy you need people to be able to be like it's whatever it's up it's down it's like you know I remember you know I have a my best friend is like is he's the same he's like that for me and I'm like he has been going through a bit of a tough time recently career-wise he's an actor too and he just had like the biggest win and and I was been with him for all of it and I'm And like, but what's great is that like, you know, things have been going pretty well for me.

1:01:37And it never, it's tough when you have friends that are in the same industry as you. It's hard to watch when you're not feeling great about your career at the moment. And you have a friend who's like, you know, on a press junket doing this. It never gets in the way. And that's, but that's human to feel that way though. Of course it is. I feel like people. Jealousy is like the most human thing ever. And I, people feel like these days paint it very black and white and like villainize jealousy. Yeah. And it's not really like this villainous feeling. It's this very natural, and it all comes from insecurity.

1:02:10Of course it does. Whenever I felt jealous, it's because I'm like, I don't know, that's lacking in me or in my life. It's not because I'm like, I'm amazing and you don't deserve. Why would anyone not deserve whatever? You know what I mean? I completely agree with you. Yeah.

1:02:30Wow. Therapy. I feel like my third eye was just opened. Do you do therapy? I do. Okay. I have a new, I actually just got a new therapist for my OCD. She's been good. Wow. But I don't like, there's, God, therapy's just like some days you're like in it and then some days you're like counting down the seconds for it to be over. Yep, yep, yep. So funny though, I always find that like I don't find the time for it when I need it. And when I do need, when I don't need it, I'm like, I could do some therapy. Like I have time in my life. So stupid. I just have been diagnosed with OCD. Oh, really? Well, because I never thought I had it because I don't give it.

1:03:06I don't care about things being clean. Neither do I. I thought it was about cleanliness. It's not. It's a part of it. Obviously, I'm like, I'm not like dirty, whatever. But like my room's a mess. And like I'll come home from work. Like now, there's no way I'm getting home and I'm packing my suitcase the day I land. No. That's not how my, so I was always like, I don't have OCD. I know people that like, everything's in their perfect place. That's not who I am. But obviously like obsessive compulsive. Yeah. In other ways. Can I ask what made you, what, like, how did you get diagnosed? I was like, I can't turn my brain off.

1:03:47I just can't turn my brain off. And so I went being like, it's just, and I'm thinking the same things all the time. And also I'm like always making lists. And I'm always being like, these are the tasks that I have. And what, and the end of the thing, you know, I have a lot of stress. And I kept telling myself, oh, I have so much stress in my life. And I was creating this, like, kind of whirlwind of, like, these, I just, I just, I become obsessed with things. And I can't become obsessed. Like, intrusive thoughts, I guess. That was. And then you get scared of manifesting those thoughts that you're, like, it's, like, the most insane pattern that you're just like.

1:04:30Well, this is the thing because I'm also like, I really believe that words have power. Me too. Super believe in manifestation and like super believe in like, I think I've willed everything, both good and bad, into my life. Yeah. And that makes me scared. But that's why OCD is so scary. It's so scary because you're like, uh-oh. And you can't talk about it. No. But you can't stop thinking about it. You can't stop thinking it. And you're like, uh-oh, I'm thinking this thing and therefore it's going to happen. Yeah. and yes and it's like having a big red button like and someone's like don't press it and then your brain is like press it press it press it press it yeah and and then I mean this is kind of dark but I had cancer in 2020 and I convinced myself that I'd thought it into existence and that was like I mean obviously that's crazy I was it was 20 I was crazy now but in the moment in the moment i was like i remember when i got the diagnosis i was like i knew it i literally like that crazy you know what i mean instead of being like right i was like i knew it and it's like because where as soon as as soon as i felt ill i was like i'm sick i'm really sick oh and then i felt like it was on you yeah and then i thought it was on me because i was like in another world if i'd have been like i'm probably fine yeah it wouldn't have been that i mean i know logically I know that's insane but also who knows you know what I mean I obviously but you know it's just and what's hard I think about this industry in this life is you can be it's such a positive thing feeling like you're operating on a really high vibrational frequency where people are like gravitating towards you and good things come to you and you are a person where things happen to that's good you don't want to be the person that like things aren't happening to but then I you can get in your head where you're like that's also works on a negative scale you know it's it's it's such a tough industry to have OCD and it sounds like it's like magical thinking OCD is what they call it yeah where it's like I've created this and that's how I I used that's how I like it and that's how yeah it's it's horrible it's horrible I'm so sorry that you but it's it's good good that people are talking about it now it's good that people are talking about it now and it's an OCD isn't just like a thing like I think it's great that there'll be a generation of people that grow up knowing that it's not just like oh I I didn't lock the front door I mean that is an issue too but you know it's not just that it's like whatever because I had no idea well people used to not believe me in high school I would be like I have OCD and they'd be like but you're because I'm such a messy like right I'm a mess messy messy messy messy messy person and people would be like you don't have that OCD is when things are neat and this and I'm like I don't think that that's what it is yeah yeah like it's like this obsessive need to it's like control it's all it's such a control thing and like the it's like the idea that like you're in the passenger seat and your OCD is like in the front seat driving and you're like telling them where to go but it's also like telling you you're so it's like the wildest I don't even know how to describe it yeah yeah that But that's how to describe it.

1:07:46It is exactly like that. And other people can't see the difference between it and you. And you're like. Yeah. And it's like, okay, can you, and the OCD is like, can you grab this out of the glove department? Because I'll need that in order for this to make this turn and have this good thing to happen. That's like how it like. But it's so hard to make it not real when your fear comes true. That's exactly what it is. and when you're the good things come true yeah you're like oh well that I knew it I knew it I told you yeah and then everything bad that happens you're like I knew it yeah oh my god it's insane that's why I like I if you'll like if like you'll ever hear me be like if someone will I'll be like oh my god I'm so happy right now I'll never say like I'm so happy period because I'm scared that if I say I'm so happy period then it'll like cause my OCD to like steer off and something bad will happen right like i'm so scared of concrete things yeah because i'm so scared of like willing other things into existence yeah yeah yeah that's it that's it oh this is the deepest we've gotten in a while oh really yeah i mean this feels like therapy for me yeah i know same but that's good right i love i think it's so important but then again i'm also into anything that like anything that's that it's like a good thing that isn't therapy as well like I love like I've gotten more into recently like something like acupuncture for example oh I'm obsessed with acupuncture are you yeah obsessed are you I dream about it I do too I love the little needle many two how many times is too many times for acupuncture I think you do it every day love it I love it because I also think that that's that I think that it's kind of in the same vein you're like okay take the wheel yeah yes like it's not it's just do like and then i can immediately feel like yeah free that's why i like fall for not fall for but like go for so many health trends or whatever because i'm like same because i'm like okay great i'm fixing it yeah i'm fixing it something correct is happening there's actually a shaman in la that someone gave me the number of before i came out here and they were like they will just like do everything and I was like I'm I just can't wait and I you go and he's so funny he's like clearly whatever I text him and I was like hey I'm coming to LA are you free and he was like texting when you get here and if I'm around like I'll see you I was like no it's the most LA um LA health appointments no it's not real I'm having so much fun with you and all I can think about is like going out I know Oh, okay, so living room is where you would take.

1:10:34Living room is, and it's fun. You sit outside, you smoke a cigarette, you have a drink, and you're just, it's like Chiltern a little bit. Okay, wow, R.I.P. Is it still burnt down? Yeah. It's coming back. But the thing is, I feel like when people thought Chiltern died, like everything in London died, and I was like, well, they must not be doing London right. Oh, no, 100%. Yeah, you have to know where to go. Yeah. And you have to know. also London is about like restaurants bars clubs like it's not in the same way as here where it's like you go for dinner and then if you're gonna go out like there is that one place that everyone goes to and everyone's gonna be right it's not and also the most fun people in London aren't at Chilton right you know what I mean they're like it they're it when Chilton's a great night when it's when industry like when it's like an industry week is in terms of like the BAFTA week or like the grammys or whatever like during the bath to eat it's amazing oh it's the best because like that's then when it's like oh because then it's like we're in la you know what i mean like everyone's here and this is where everyone's going and like it's an industry london becomes an industry town for the first time ever whereas 90 percent of the time if you're in a pub like no one is no one works in my our industry no one right you know what i mean everyone does like so okay they might like watch your show and enjoy it but at the end of the day they don't think that you what you're doing is any more important than what they're doing or that their wife is doing what it's not they're like okay whatever but that's like the beauty i think of london and like europe culture yeah it's weird in america i feel like we like put celebrities on pedestals like like that is the basis of celebrity culture here yeah like the only thing that i think is different and i think this is global is musicians like like whenever and in london is this like if some if if i mean have you said that though i know olivia rodrigo like she's because she lives in london and she's like comes to a few but and like people are pretty chill about her but in a way that i'm like you're to me i'm like you're olivia rodrigo yeah right Right.

1:12:47Yeah. But even me, I'm like, whenever I see pop stars, I'm like. Yeah. I love it. It's a rush. Magic. It's like, oh my God. I feel like I'm witnessing magic. Yeah, 100%. Who do you listen to? What type of music do you listen to? Oh my God. I listen. I really listen to everything. I grew up listening to like rock and roll. My mom like loves rock and roll. So I grew up listening to like old school rock and roll. But now I love pop. Honestly, like I love pop music. Me too. Like I love listening to hits. Like, if I'm, like, a bit bored of my own thing that's going on, I will listen to the charts. And I'll be, like, and I just enjoy that.

1:13:23But, like, at the moment, like, I've been listening to Harry Styles' new album. I love. That's been fun. I love Olivia Dean. Yeah. Love her. She's having a real moment. She's having a real moment. Love Ray. Love Ariana Grande. Love Ari. Oh, my God. Love. Ari is, like, that's our girl. Yeah. amazing um yeah but I really do just listen to anything yeah I'm kind of the same way I feel like I as long as I can find a good melody and like good storytelling yeah that's what I'll go for storytelling is your thing yeah I love a good story in a song okay so you love like Taylor Swift yeah I just love the way she tells a story I just think it's like so fascinating and I love um like like a story that you can't really tell what the truth is and what's not like.

1:14:18And when we can't be friends, like you don't know if that's about her ex-husband or the public. 100%. And when you, and when you can view the story multiple ways, it feels like I'm in English class. Yes. Yeah. I love like a, I really love like a ballad for that reason. Cause I feel like emotionally someone's like, like one of my favorite Lady Gaga songs of all time is, um, Oh my God. Are you about to say speechless? No, I wasn't. one of my favorite lady carpenters marry the night why am i blanking ben platton you and i yeah phenomenal because i'm like because i'm like i'm in that bar with you yes you can smell it smell it you can sense it something that i'm like it the story in it it's almost like a monologue in the sense that you're like you can feel what the character wants from the song which is like to I mean I don't know in that like to like sing to someone being like get over here right fucking now you know I mean I love that have you heard Ben Platt's cover of that song no I never have heard it amazing oh I've heard his cover of Diet Pepsi which is also oh yeah yeah you and I Ben Platt and he like does this crazy riff at the end and I'm like oh my god is it online yeah okay I'm gonna listen to it yeah well speaking of music the soundtrack to industry is fucking phenomenal It's so good.

1:15:40It is really so good. I think that the needle drop thing of like at the end of an episode and like, and they do some crazy, Beef is doing it at the moment as well. Yeah. Phineas is the composer for Beef. So that's why it's. Of Sam. Yeah. I didn't know that. Yeah. That's so cool. He's like, he has a real career in like composing television shows. Really? He's done a bunch. Yeah. He's really, really good at it. Yeah. Because he can view music very cinematically. like as a story he's very good at it music is so important okay are you ready to tell me what's wrong yes the pussies submit what's wrong in their life and we tell them how to fix it or try to how do you get over the fear of going on a bad date like genuinely I went on a coffee date for the first time in 16 months and it was genuinely hard I can't sober date I can't I'm sorry.

1:16:38I can't. I have to have a drink in me or else I'll be too like. So I got it. We kept talking over each other. His breath smelled ew. We had literally nothing in common. At least he picked me up and paid for me. But I'm not taking this easy. It might be another 16 months for me. I hate dating. So a bad day is hard to come back from. I went on one once and it was a dinner date. And I remember the guy was like so nervous. And I just remember being like fuck this. Yeah. And you just have to be like I'm out. it's the whole thing is also just so like pick me like why are we both putting ourselves in a situation where we're like just kind of I don't know it's I mean it is so hard and humbling and like such an intense experience I would say I would say like a good way of getting over like dating jitters is to like go out with single friends not friends in a relationship with single friends who like also want to meet people so that you you can maybe meet people a bit irl before the date yeah because like if we're talking about like meeting on a dating app and then meeting up of course that's like the most intense version of the thing yeah it's awkward it's not like natural to the human experience no it's so awkward it's just dating sucks like dating is never easy do you speak on the phone to people you haven't met in person no but i i i've done it before and it actually is somewhat helpful to speak on the phone to hear their voice yes yeah to like it is somewhat helpful it's like the equivalent of like meeting at a bar and like taking their number and being like yeah let's go on a date 100 yeah i think that that's good though like speaking on the if you're just meeting someone cold for the first time maybe just like a little cool like it's so awkward it feels like networking dating feels like dating and networking and all of it has become so that's why like going out and like manny who's sitting out there once was like i read that like if you read a book in a public setting people will come up to you by the way it's true it works it does work it worked for her Because people are like, oh, this person is like from an older time.

1:18:58So they don't necessarily need me to DM them. Like this person wouldn't mind like an ancient way of speaking, which is me coming up to you. I once was reading a book at a coffee shop and someone came up to me and was like, are you enjoying that book? And I was like, yeah. And he was like, I wrote that book. Shut up. I was like, what? And he gave me his number and whatever. He left. I Googled the author. not him wow not him and i was like in my mind i was like do i respect it or is it kind of like psycho it's a mix of both and i decided it was like a bit too psycho for me that is crazy i think it was like a bit narcissist too and also not crazy to be like at some point being like i'm joking it was just an excuse to get your number and then like left and then what would when was he gonna tell me that it was it wasn't him weird how did you meet your husband we went to drama of school together we were in the same year at school and how did you what was your first date well this is the thing like obviously we were friends for a while so he hit on me day one though he hit on me day one i had a boyfriend at the time and when he heard that he was like oh boring and i was like oh okay your wedding and then is her roman empire yeah really yeah why so I love the hair oh yeah you know you know it was amazing it did look good it was the best day of my life and like all the photos and I saw one interview how you said the thing about the champagne in the beginning yeah it just looked so chic and fabulous thank you it was so fun planning it was so fun didn't go crazy it really we both enjoyed the process didn't make it about anyone else it was just about like us oh i can't recommend getting married enough it's so fucking fun oh it also felt so like obviously i don't know you but it felt so you guys yeah and like like you enjoyed yeah it wasn't like i came across and then what did people do it was like what do i want to do also i'm obsessed with i love a party like i love i love a party i love a party so i was like oh if i'm gonna throw a party it's gonna be fun that's all i care like i want the party to be fun like at the end like i was like the very end before we went down to like dance i was like i was like and then i want everyone to have a tequila shot so everyone had like a little bottle of 1942 to shot like at the end of like all the speeches i was like i just want people to get wasted when everyone was like is it um is like is it just wine at dinner i was like fuck no like if you wanted to keep like drink but you know you've got to be specific about like where where you're spending the money what i really we were smart like it wasn't crazy and people spend such an inordinate amount on weddings now of course you know whatever i was like the things that didn't matter to me i was like fucking whatever i just want everyone to have the best time ever and I really think they did.