Session 125: Nicholas Galitzine

0:11Are we starting? Honestly, you can. We're all rolling. Okay. Okay. Okay. Bye. I've never done this. No one's never not been in the room before. What do you mean? Like there's always Nolan and Louise there. wow so we're like pioneering right now i guess well this is my first podcast ever so you're lying are you serious you just got me so excited so i don't know if i'm gonna be any good at the format wait i think you'll be great we were just kicking outside okay we were kicking yes yes we were this is your first podcast you know this is his first podcast Well, it is kind of a new format. Yeah. It is.

0:57I mean, only in the last really few years. Uh-huh. Well, Nicholas Galatine is on today. Yay. Yay. Yes, yes, yes. I saw your movie Masters of the Universe yesterday. Amazing. Where'd you guys film? We filmed in London. Oh, so you're. Well, I mean, to be honest, I was living here when I got the job. Nothing films in LA anymore. Starting to though now. Maybe times are changing, but I filmed one job in my whole career in LA. You'll never believe who just walks in the back house, walks in, Ryan. I said, oh, Nicholas, this is Ryan. Ryan goes, hey. I go, what are you doing? Like, you don't understand.

1:36So he's not supposed to be here. Are you codependent with anyone? Well, you're just hard-launched your girlfriend now. Yeah, I mean, that was kind of, that was kind of supposed to be to my close friends. oh you did it by accident look i mean anyone who you know follows me at all knows that i've had a girlfriend for a few years but um you know we we like to be private um which you know i think is just easier in this day and age but yeah i was i was doing a shoot uh yesterday and um and usually just you know posting some of my close friends and uh i didn't know you had close friends well listen man let's see how this goes okay wait i like let's see how this i don't even use close friends what do you use i like i did nothing if i have something private to say i'll like text it but like what are you what are you uploading that's that would make you like well like my close friends would just be like me talking shit oh yeah so it's like i can't do that what do you think of that new the the instance thing you like it you are so tapped in wait i'm like wasn't I'm getting real tapped in What do you think of the instance thing?

2:46I don't love it I hate it It's starting to piss me off When I go check my DM You feel the little The level of the content Is really just It's not good You sift through it I didn't need this Do you sift through it? I did it once and I was like wait can I go back? It turns out you can't go back I do sift through it. I'm curious. You're curious? I'm a curious person, yeah. Did you finish filming Red, White, and Royal Blue 2 yet? Yeah. Yeah, start of the year, really. I mean, it's been kind of... I just kind of want to hug this. Sorry. Is that right? That doesn't ruin your shot. Yeah, we finished filming at the end of February.

3:33This is a really quick shoot, but... Quick? Quick? Well, I mean, it was just, I'm very fortunate to kind of be in a position now. I'm kind of going from job to job. So I had to squeeze in a little indie film after that, before this. I know. It's so, look at me. I'm going to squeeze in that little indie. What indie was it? It's a really cool film called The Return of Stanley Atwell. It's a period piece set in the 1950s where I play the heir to a massive fortune who everyone thought, was dead, and then he shows up 15 years later. The guy who has the fortune. Yes, and they don't know if he's a doppelganger.

4:14Okay, so what's the sequel of Red, White, and Royal Blue called? It's a tongue twister, isn't it? It really is. Red, White, and Royal Blue. To be honest. You call it Red, White? Yeah. Okay, well, what's - Red, White, and Royal Wedding is the sequel. You guys are getting married? Well, that's the sort of the Easter egg. You really had to be there when that first dropped. You know, you had to be there. I was there. you were there you were in it it's amazing i re-watched it the other week in prep for this it's amazing how um how well it did as well i mean obviously i know the books were really successful but it did really well for amazon and oh well that yes i feel like you know especially since the strike it's been in interesting times in terms of how movies are getting made and stuff like that and i think it's almost going back to this old model where you know when you when you had a sort of close relationship with the studio you know they trust you right kind of keep i think that's kind of partially it how would you elevator pitch that movie to me if i had never seen it before well it's it's an animated show that you know was a toy line that dolph lundgren from rocky fame i don't know if you saw seen rocky boxer boxer yeah yeah isn't sylvester stallone and rocky Yes, he is Rocky, actually.

5:33When I tell you, I literally, that was like as if I had a basketball and I was facing this way and the hoop was this way and I went like this. You know, it's like one of the most famous movies of all time, though. I mean, I don't know if that's - Yeah, but you could have told me Schwarzenegger. You could have told me anyone. I would have said, right. Wait, what's your favorite movie? Of all time? Yeah. Devil Wears Prada? That's a fucking good movie. It's a good, you want to know why it's my favorite movie? Yeah, of course. Because I would never pull the fuck shit she did in Paris. when she drops her and i get it be like well that's the point she lost herself okay so who do you think the real villain was then her boyfriend and her fuck ass friends who would not let her do anything she wouldn't she she couldn't win she couldn't win she'd be like oh my god i had the best day at work my boss loves me look how fashionable i am well i'm like head to toe like in whatever she wants like showing up late to dinner cunt chic whatever our friends are like we've lost you okay so but but okay i i mean i hear you yes but also it is you know it's like it's difficult when you're in a relationship with someone you feel like they're changing in front of your eyes and you can't you can't connect you know with them anymore i know it's sad but should she have quit her job over it no no i have you seen the sequel no i've been dying to i love it really love the tooch uh huge the tooch man yeah he's great he's awesome streep is it he also in burlesque

6:56yeah fact check no because burlesque is definitely Luis's favorite movie of all time I think he's wait wait burlesque is that Wagon Wheel Watusi I've never oh my god he is in it yeah I knew it and I've never even seen it by the way is burlesque with Christina Aguilera duh and there's the amazing thing where where she was like I know every song I know any song tell me to play whatever song and I'll do whatever song. And I've never seen them. You know what? Tonight I'm gonna watch burlesque. So, okay, so in red, white, and white, can we talk for like five seconds about it? Yeah, of course. So who's in charge of the relationship there?

7:34You or the president's son? Like who do you think leads the way? I think I do. I think I do, yeah. I think he's more,

7:49I think Alex is more happy-go-lucky, you know, and Henry's kind of, he's kind of one of those sort of quite, he's quite emotional. So Alex kind of has to adjust to his mood swings, I think, all the time. Yeah, did you have fun filming the second one? Yeah, I had a good time. I mean, it's the first time I've gone back to shoot anything, you know, done a sequel. So it's kind of trippy. You know, you usually, you get so used to working with people and then, you know, not seeing them for a decade. And so that was really, really nice. Right. And, you know, seeing Uma again. Oh, Uma. Who I've worked with.

8:25Every time she pops up in a movie, I'm like, that's Uma Thurman. It's kind of crazy, isn't it? Right? Pulp Fiction. What are you doing? I watch a lot of TV. Wait, what TV do you watch? You know how Christina Aguilar is like, name every song that I could sing when I was a single song. Name TV show. The Traitors. Yes. so good isn't it Breaking Bad yes Sopranos no but keep going because that doesn't count Grey's Anatomy yes

8:57Vampire Diary yes okay I think I'm I'm trying to I think subconsciously I'm trying to choose literally like one two three TV show go I've seen Game of Thrones yes I've seen Game of Thrones Andor no okay so this is not that impressive you've just seen you've seen kind of a regular amount of tv i know i've seen yeah now you have me wondering what i do in my free time yeah what do you do i don't know but today somebody tried to diagnose me on the internet with what is it and they they listed the reasons why they think i i have it they go you know symptoms may include sudden weight gain i respond sudden dot dot dot weight gain go to my comment section it's literally one of the top comments.

9:42She's like, I think you have this. On what? On my latest Instagram. What is it? It's a mental disorder? No. Okay. But we were talking about your - My weight gain. You were talking about your weight gain. Well, you had to put on some pounds for this role. Ken, you were so good at the transitions. That is so impressive. Wait, really? Yeah, that's so good. But you did, no? I did. I did. I don't know if that came across as rude, but you had to like bulk up. No, yeah, it was pretty rude. um i no i look that i i had to put a lot of weight on in a quite short period of time and i definitely when you're putting that much size on you as well as muscle you also gain a lot of fat and so i i didn't recognize myself for a a few months at least and and you know you're getting asked to come and do like public like events and stuff like that and you just don't see yourself which is kind of trippy so did you bulk and then cut yeah okay and that's that's and you had to do it quickly yeah and so you're eating a lot i was eating like 5 000 calories a day yeah it was not fun it was it was it was kind of like a sickening amount of food eating like okay wake up okay wake up and the big omelet breakfast potatoes fruits and then there'd be sort of a snack in between then like big lunch with like a lot of rice a lot of protein then another snack then kind of do the same thing again then another snack and then wait wait wait two lunches yeah you kind of have yeah well did your stomach hurt all the time oh yeah it was it just wasn't fun it's you you kind of going from eating way too much food to way too little little yeah and i'm like not a good person when I'm a hangry person.

11:31Okay. You know, so that was also equally difficult. You're a Libra. Yeah, I am. How do you know that? Because I love to be a birthday. Okay, good. But I get that Libra vibe in you. What does that say about me? It's like, you want peace, like you're good with whatever, you're chill, like you're happy-go-lucky. Yeah. You're not in the mood to fight. What's your partner? I don't, you know, it's interesting you say that I'm not in the mood to fight. I think I am. I think I like to fight. to fight it i i think i'm quite a i think i'm quite a confrontation you you are right i am i do feel like i like justice i like balance um i care about different people's perspective on it i feel like the the way to sort of achieve harmony in life is to kind of get all viewpoints but but i also i think i'm quite emotional and uh libra's gonna be emotional yeah and but i i can react in a sort of passionate way i think when i feel uh yeah like scorned okay what i mean aren't you a libra yeah that makes sense you say that's true to you yeah pretty much like nailed it exactly yeah no yeah no yeah nolan feels strongly about things yeah or i don't feel strongly about at all yeah yeah it's one or the other we're kind of mercurial beings aren't we that's a good word for Yeah, it is.

12:56So you want to try my candy? Want to try what? My candy. Yes, I do. Of course. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So this is my own special skew that we're releasing soon. Do you want pink or do you want blue? Pink. Are they different flavors? Look, that one's sad. So octopus. Yeah. Because you have a passion for octopus. is it like you're like a candy sommelier and you have to like I guess yeah I kind of love that mmm mmm mmm mmm mmm mmm it's good so incredible you like I love it so this is your first podcast you say

13:43do you think you'll ever do another one I think this is it for me uh-huh I think this is it won't get better so the octopus comes Oh, it won't get better. Oh, yeah. That could mean that. I didn't even mean it in that way, but yeah. Which, how'd you mean it? This isn't about me. So do you actually want to hear about octopus? I love octopus. The creature or the food? The food. In college, I had an internship at a record label, and then they were like, okay, you need to go finish college before you work for us full time. And I was smoking a lot of weed. You smoke weed? Not anymore, no. Used to? Used to, yeah.

14:19Okay. so I was smoking a lot of weed and I was really bored and so I made this account called Pass That Puss where I would go out to eat and I would eat octopus and review it and be like this is really good 6.4 out of 8 tentacles hi pussies tense up and so that's where this came from and now we're here so what were you expecting did you suspect it was shut the fuck up when I'm fucking talking did you expect that it was going to evolve into something else because it's kind of a niche, right? Like, I finished talking now. That was the first thought. I had, no, it is crazy how much I've cut you off, but can I tell you, it's a testament to how comfortable I feel with you.

15:01Yeah, because we're having a conversation. To be fair, I haven't noticed it. Yeah. Thank you. So you can shut the fuck up. So, Noah, if you told me while I was reviewing Octopus that I would end up with a show called Therapist that somehow made its way onto Netflix, no. I kind of thought it was just like a high habit. Yeah. Do you still review Octopus? I haven't in a while, but I'll probably do it tomorrow because we're going to Vegas. Just today, Gracie Abrams announced her Look at My Life tour. Ariana Grande is going on tour. You already know I'm going to be sat for that. And Gracie Abrams also has some incredible openers.

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16:46Really? What do you do at home? Just, I whittle wood. You're lying right now. No. Yeah, that's my, I make little chess pieces. Shit. Yeah, I just kind of. That's what you do all day? And do you listen to music while you do that? This is music. What music you listen to? I kind of do everything really. I know that's such a wanky answer. okay well you're let's say we're whittling wood right now okay you need to put on a song what are you playing i'm playing what am i playing like bonnie fair oh my god that's so oh okay that was good i love bonnie bear what are your album um oh i don't know the the new one the new one the new one is great right stable i love everything that he does he does yeah what's your favorite bonnie vera song oh um what is it called 33 god oh you know i haven't really given that one a chance yet but i know it's kind of like weird oh no it's not my what the wolves uh what do they call it the wolves acts one and two okay that was really good it's like a place at the end of uh place beyond the pines as well really slow never seen that i love ethel kane i listen to a lot of okay yeah crush crush crush is great it's my favorite song bonnie vera you listen to a lot of Bon Iver while you're whittling wood.

18:06Yeah, that sounds really... That makes sense. Does it? Yeah, I feel like that's what he would want. Yeah. Oh, no, it's definitely what he would want. It's not... I don't just whittle wood. I don't want to, like, paint this image of me as some sort of, like, lonesome... Well, it's not really a... Wood whittler. Wood whittler, yeah. I was going to say lumberjack, which was making me sound kind of cooler, but that's not what I do. Is that what a lumberjack does? No, a lumberjack cuts down trees. And do they still exist? yes you sure yeah I am sure okay there's places in the world that require lumberjacks we just still use wood this whole room is made of wood someone had to do that right

18:53yeah it was it was interwoven studios interwoven studios they built the set oh okay but they must have got it from a lumberjack you think look Look, I don't know if it's just a guy, but that's probably what you'd call a guy who works. Well, right, have you seen Train Dreams? No, I haven't. Is he a lumberjack? Yeah, talk about a fucking lumberjack. Oh, wow. Have you seen Train Dreams? Yeah. That doesn't seem like the kind of movie I could see watching. I saw every single Oscar nom this year. What was your first movie? It was a tiny, tiny movie called The Beat Beneath My Feet where I play this kid who has an absentee father and then a disgraced rock god who like faked his own death like moves in next door and he like blackmails him into like teaching me it like doesn't really make any sense and he shows you the beat beneath your feet exactly yeah it didn't do that well but i wasn't trying to be an actor and so it was kind of you weren't no i was i was trying to be a rugby player what yeah i i hadn't acted until I left school.

20:01Okay, so what caused the shift? I hurt myself playing rugby, so I couldn't do it anymore. And then I got really anxious and depressed. And then my friends in school were actors and they said, why don't you come audition for a play? And I did. And then I got scouted. And then I was like - You got scouted? Yeah. Do you want to be an actor? The real Hollywood dream. I mean, it's, look, compared to like, I'm sure you've had people on who are like properly trained and stuff like that like I mean I always felt a little chip on my shoulder that I didn't have that but to be honest I kind of came to it in a much more organic way and I think it makes my love for it kind of uh more more you get less jaded I think when you've kind of you haven't had money drawn from you to like do the thing you love does that make sense so because it happened to you so organically yeah because i wasn't desperate for it like i think there's some of the some of these actors like you know whether it's they come from like an acting family or you know they wanted to when they were five years old and then they did it in in high school and then they went to a uh you know acting school or whatever and then they come out of the acting school and they've paid all this money for it and they're not getting these jobs they've committed their whole life already by the time they're like 21 to achieving this thing which you know some of it has to do with talent but a lot of it is just being in the right place at the right time and um and people just like noticing you and so I kind of came into it being like like I could care less really like I don't really know what I'm going to do with my life but like if this works out great and then my love for it kind of started to build and build and build and um uh and now i'd like it's kind of who i am in a lot of ways so wow have you ever acted i have i did my first movie in portland this summer oh no way what was the movie wishful thinking who's that with uh lewis pullman my my hawk i haven't met her you've never met my no she's great i mean looks extraordinarily like her mom yeah it's crazy quite crazy crazy she's so lovely i had the best time how did you find it i love it is that what you want to do yeah did you always want to do it yeah with but i love doing this as well but i think i have a little more fun when like i don't know like what why do you think you have more fun just playing another character i think i being able to like like when i say something stupid on here like i'm saying as jake yeah you have to bear all the embarrassment yeah exactly but if I do something as like a character yeah but I mean that's very interesting I feel like a big thing for me with acting is letting go of the ego around being embarrassed after you know taking a swing at something right and it's really interesting because you you had Rachel Sennett on who I love.

23:05And you know, she was part of my, I'd say my probably biggest learning experience was on the film with her when we did bottoms because that was the first time I did a really broad comedy. Oh my God, you worked with Kaya. Yeah, and Kaya as well. Oh my God. The whole gang, I'm sure you know all those guys. They're such a - Yeah, they're great. I've met Io as well. I've met Io like twice, so lovely. Yeah, I mean, it stands you in good stead that you don't feel as embarrassed making choices as another character yeah it's a really good thing but like i remember you know i i read that script and obviously like my character is kind of a small part of that movie but i knew i like desperately really wanted to do it and once i got it then it was like oh i felt this huge responsibility to be funny which is kind of like the worst thing in the world because uh well you just force it and then I got kind of embarrassed trying to force it but then by the end of the job I think just like kind of letting go and letting go of ego and trying things out but the fact that you're already experiencing that means you're you're kind of you're ready for it I guess you think I just I mean I don't know like all the time I have to remind myself to just uh like not care so much i know it's hard though and especially hard to do that in a when when you make your passion your job as well right because you have to keep earning the response that the the ability to like do the thing that you love i think that's the scary thing you because because nothing is a given as an actor and you know industry can turn around tomorrow and say there's a younger better looking more talented version of you like we'll just cast him instead uh you have to keep earning and proving to people that you have the ability to have these opportunities that can go away at any instant and when your ego comes into it am I am I waffling what is a waffle it means chatting shit no no I'm listening when your ego comes into it as well and you keep you know telling yourself oh I'm not good enough and that was really that take was really really shit I don't know why I did that it's so embarrassing you kind of go into yourself and then you can't be creative anymore and then it's kind of a self fulfilling prophecy in a way did you experience this after red white I mean not Red White was like everywhere do you remember?

25:43everywhere when did that come out? 2021? 2022? 2022 I think maybe it was huge huge I always find it hard to remember because it was we didn't really promote it because of the strike the strike yeah it I didn't feel that as much with Red White because you know I was cast first in the whole process and, and sorry, not, not a flex, but, but as in, I felt like, oh, um, you've earned the opportunity. And then when other people sort of kind of, you know, I tested with Taylor and then Uma came on board, it was kind of more, I had more time to kind of like ground myself in the experience and be like, yes.

26:31But then, you know, um, just the next year, then I did that um I did a movie with Anne Hathaway called The Idea of You um and then I did this show called Mary and George with Julianne Moore which was this sort of period piece and so then it was like you know sharing the screen with these I mean two Oscar winners and every day you're kind of going I see in them sort of vaguely where I want to get to like do I have enough ability to do that you're kind of in awe of what they're able to do um so you had real imposter syndrome i mean i still do in a lot of ways you know yeah talking about he-man i mean like when someone says here you are going to play a god the strongest man in the uniform and you have to look like this i mean you kind of go like i'm just a person i don't really know how to embody a sort of larger than life character but i mean i i don't know like is there any actor that you think you've come across who you're like that person is entirely confident and authentic in every moment that they you have who timothy probably timothy shalom oh really interesting yeah i feel like that's why he went so much but do you think he spent a long time getting to that place you think he was always that way have you seen the videos of him in school uh with doing the rap rap stuff he's been so himself forever yeah i think he's worked incredibly hard i think he's incredibly talented but i think the reason people gravitate towards him so much is because like he's him but you can i mean sure but also people evolve and so you're always you in different ways i mean like you can even look in in terms of his like clothing like how he started a few years ago it's how he is that you know yeah you can't say that necessarily one is like more authentic than the other but yeah no yeah i don't know i think you're kind of just like forced to change as well but but that's interesting i can i can definitely see i think he was i mean i loved marty supreme and i thought also the way he promoted the movie was like brilliant entirely someone who knew who they were and what they wanted to achieve out of right well what was smart about that was that was like the whole bit of the movie yeah did you was that your favorite movie what was your favorite movie of the awards this year was train dreams oh really yeah you know i i'd love joel edgerton so i i really want to see it but that was the one i haven't seen it was really moving what else did you like i liked train dreams i liked i liked hamnet which is crazy because i hate period pieces really hate what do you hate about I hate, hate, hate, hate.

29:15What do you hate about it? My thing with them is I just don't know what you're saying. So like I can't, and it's like - Okay, but what if it's like a period thing with like modern, like a Bridgerton, like with modern language? Oh, so you're like really - Give me a cell phone. You're in - Give me a cell phone. Wait, but so, okay. So you won't watch something that like Robert Eggers does, for example, like Nosferatu. No, I saw Nosferatu. But he famously won't, he doesn't want to shoot anything that has a cell phone in it yeah i didn't understand anything that was going on in the movie at all ever but you got the vibes of the movie right you could you enjoy it just like really no it was like a vampire but train dreams is kind of period isn't it very much so so you're just the noxie moron really yeah i just yeah i like train dreams because i got it okay i was like okay i understand this and it made me cry at the end and i was like did you make you did you not think you were gonna get it so it made you feel quite like no my dad Yeah, told me how much he loved it.

30:11And I was like, oh my God, well, if he likes it, then I'll probably like it. I actually just started watching Euphoria. I knew you were, by the way, and I knew you were about to say Euphoria. Because it's just all over. Yeah, I feel like I've seen every clip on TikTok. Have you seen season one? Or you just started for the first time ever? No, just for the first time. Well, no, that's not true. I watched like half of season one a while ago and then just thought, oh, it's really like quite dark. And what happens in this high school? This is like no high school I've ever known. And then recently just finished it and then started watching the second season and now the third season.

30:47I mean, by the way, like I always knew Zendaya was like great, but she's like - Incredible. I was like really floored by how great she is. And Sydney Sweeney as well. Season two is great. You just started season two? No, I finished it. I'm on season three. I'm halfway, yeah, I'm up to date. I haven't seen the recent one either. You know who I thought was so amazing? Was that the stripper that Rue sent to rehab? Oh my god. She was so good. She was so good. She was so good. Just like wild energy. I hope they bring her back. Well. Did she die? Is that what they say? Is that what they say in the last?

31:26It's kind of what it's implied. It's the implication. Who implies that? Well, Alamo sends them to this rehab and then they get taken away to either be trafficked or murdered. I think it's traffic. That's the heavy implication. How is that implied? She goes there and there's no paperwork to fill out and she's like, okay, like Zendaya, she's like, where are they going? How can I get in contact? And it's just like a dark building. I thought it was just a shitty rehab. No, but that's why it also - Oh my God. Okay, so the implication is that they're being trafficked. Yes. Segway that.

32:08I'm loving it though. I thought she was going to come back for the end of the season. No, no, no. Well, I mean, we wait to be surprised, I guess. Fuck, I really liked her. I think she'll work a lot from the show. It's really interesting when you can see, you know, someone in a smaller role, like do something really special and you're like, oh, like they're going to work. You know who's the most famous example of that? Who? Charlie Sheen. Oh, really? Yes. Tell me. For those that don't know, he had one scene in Ferris Bueller's Day Off. Oh. One scene. I'm going to have chills thinking about it. And he was like late to set because he had Charlie Sheen.

32:46And he shows up, does this one scene, blew up. Yeah. Became Charlie Sheen. He's so charismatic. Have you seen the doc on him? No, I need to. I need to. Is he one of your favorites? Favorite actors? No. Who moves you? Who's your favorite? Like if I'm like sat for them? Yeah. you'll go see them no matter what what a good question maybe i'm interviewing you now okay well um who are you sat for i mean really when i was younger it was robin williams like everything robin williams did i mean he just had this light uh-huh it's it's very interesting i i kind of feel i mean there's such weird comps but i kind of feel like ryan gosling has this in a weird way of like he's someone who's incredibly funny really charming he can do really emotional dramatic stuff but he has uh he has a radiance about him that really just brings people on side like it's it's very hard i mean you know you mentioned timothy and and obviously you know there's he's had the issue with the whole the the ballet opera thing which by the way i went to the ballet for the first time the other day and it was amazing i have to say like ballerinas are incredible and i had a great time but you know he's someone obviously the way social media works like everyone has a sort of if you're usually if you're doing well people have a sort of split opinion on you but someone like ryan gosling i feel like he's very hard to like everyone loves him yeah sunday is kind of the same way i guess i'm always sat for jennifer lawrence oh she's great i'm always sat for her did you see die my love i did it was heavy i i've sat for jennifer lawrence I think her comedic timing is like some of the best in the game.

34:30I'm surprised she hasn't done more comedy. I know. I love, do you see No Hard Feelings? Yeah. Best movie ever. Do you think the, do you think that she kind of ushered in this like sense of like relatability? Because, you know, do you notice like there's a lot of these like A-listers now who are like trying to be relatable. And where it's like, you know, they'll have their own TikTok or whatever. And it's like, she kind of, I mean, I remember she got really slammed for like, people thought she was trying too hard. You know who actually ushered that in first was Anne Hathaway. Do you remember that?

35:10There was like a fucking hate train on her. And I never caught it because I love Anne Hathaway. And I know you've worked with her. But she was pretty relatable. But yeah, I guess Jennifer Lawrence really ushered in that like. Well, I mean, look, they're so different. I mean I you know obviously Annie and I talked about this but that was hard that was very like strange and harsh like someone winning the sort of highest award there is in the in the industry and then people kind of really switching off I think the reality is she's like a theater kid you know she's really intelligent she's really um I don't know bright and people don't like that I think a lot of the time it's kind of that was kind of the same thing with jennifer lawrence do you think she was like she had a brightness i think how do you how do you how do you navigate it do you see people that you interview like consistently try and navigate it as well like how much of themselves to share uh whilst also kind of because it's kind of a poison chalice kind of there's certain people that will come on and be more reserved yeah but look and i don't mean like from you like you're putting this expectation on them I mean sort of the the the world at large is sort of putting this expectation on them and it's you know we're all on our journey to sort of be you know find our sort of most authentic self but I think it's really hard to do I've struggled with it recently like I think about what I say more and I used to just like kind of rip it and like say whatever I wanted and like be myself and cut you off and do whatever and like but now that people are like you still cut people off well yes but if you think this is bad go like you have no idea how bad i used to be it's like it's it's um well it's just very i think it's interesting for you because you know your i say your journey is kind of much more uncharted this sort of yeah what were you doing before were you doing like social media before i was working at a record label oh wow okay for this guy named zach zach zach is now my manager okay so it's like it very much all stayed in the family did you go from feeling just like a regular sort of person to oh now i have to like put out this version of my myself i have to sort of put out of uh yeah i think i felt that way starting when i started doing tour oh you've talked i toured this and that's when i was like um oh people are paying to see me put on a show right now you can't like there's not like like like this used to be on youtube it's not on youtube anymore it's on netflix yeah but when it was on youtube it was like i felt like i could kind of say and do whatever i wanted and be whatever mood i wanted to be in because people were clicking on that on their own free volition yeah but when they bought tickets to a show and they like paid money i was like oh there i have to put on a good show.

38:14Like I can't have someone leave here being like I wasn't entertained. But did you still feel like it was you? Yeah. You weren't putting on... I was able to, I learned how to make it me. Okay. I'll never forget it. I was about to go on stage in, I think it was, it was Vancouver. Was it Toronto or Vancouver? Which was the first Canada we went to? Toronto. It was Toronto. I was so hungover. Like so hungover. I'd never been hungover for a show before because I wasn't drinking. I was so hungover because we had New York the night before. and I just like really leaned into the fact that I was hung over and it worked really well and was one of my best shows and I was like oh so like well we were talking about relatability yeah it's hard it's like it's hard because people will be like oh you're so relatable you're so authentic and then they'll want you to market it and it's like you can't market that yeah that doesn't that's not how that works yeah and it's also like kind of a pressure and then they'll want you to market it and then you'll do something that is relatable and authentic and they'll be like well no you can't do that do you do you think actors can be relatable at a certain level yeah but the audience doesn't let them really you're not allowed to be because everything you guys say and do is dissected on a level that a lot of other public figures are not everything it's really interesting i was i uh i was i have a show in development and we were talking about that how I wanted to be in like the acting world and this and they're like it's so funny you say that because you're in a world right now where you can get away with saying a lot more and you want to be kind of like muzzled and I don't think you're gonna like feeling muzzled do you ever feel muzzled truthfully I'm quite a I'm quite a candid person like I I think I wear my heart on my sleeve and And I really have, I feel very compelled to be honest.

40:15I think definitely that, I do think that there are things, no matter what I say, you know, people will disagree with. We kind of have lost like a little bit of, I'm interested in nuance. Maybe that's the kind of the Libra thing. I don't know. um and i i just um i think that's the thing that i really struggle with is i i want to have like really honest conversations i wouldn't say if you're muzzled at all i kind of choose to like not share a lot about myself and i think that that's not really like a it was kind of self muzzling in a way but i i'm also just like you know when i when i asked you like you know can can actors really be relatable i mean like do people really want to hear like what actors have to say for themselves?

41:03I do, because actors are, like, kind of the face of pop culture, in a sense. Actors and singers. And pop culture can be used as, like, a gateway, I feel like, for a lot of people to comment on, like, socioeconomic issues without having to talk about politics. They can just kind of use the actors and the singers as, like, the front-facing men. Oh, my God, I am so smart. I'm like freaking Are you hearing me right now? I was in awe Are you hearing me right now? I have chills No I'm literally talking at every word I'm like thinking really hard about the next word But don't you agree though That like people are like Everyone's freaking out about Timothee Chalamet And the ballet thing But it's like Is that really what you're mad about?

41:48Do you think people just need to be mad at something in general? Sometimes But I think like This country is like in such a shithole of shitholes that like people are, yes, people do want to be angry about something, but like people are more angry than usual. Yeah. I think it's just what it is. Yeah. Like gas so high. Would you move? No, you wouldn't. I didn't take it to a sort of existential place too much. I can do that sometimes. Okay. Okay. But you know what I do have to ask you? Yeah. What are you therapist about today? I actually really don't feel like I'm therapist. I feel very, what are you therapist about?

42:32Can I ask that? Yeah. Maybe you're a therapist. I went to go make myself a bowl of cereal and all my spoons were in the dishwasher and I didn't have any plastic spoons. So that was annoying. Then I woke up really fucking tired. Yeah. Like more tired than usual tired. And I slept last night, full night's sleep. How many hours did you get? Eight and a half. Fuck. I went to the gym. Okay, now I'm therapist that you got eight and a half. And I got like five. Went to the gym, still tired. Got back from the gym, slept for 20 minutes. Woke up, still tired, uncomfortable, actually. Then I had lunch and then I immediately felt sick.