Session 135: Katseye

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38:18and also like i feel like it's just people like dying for community and like yes it's like this loneliness epidemic god bless them god bless the girls because they're insecure everything comes from something it's also taught me to have grace for those people as well exactly it's like they are clearly looking and searching for a community or like some sense of like relief from their own pain yeah so also i i'm such an advocate of deleting tiktok if you can i know that some people can it's your job it's like my job i know i i understand i think we're so privileged in the way that like for for tiktok comfy but for tiktok like we have like a team that will run the cat site TikTok and then we don't really post on our individuals so we can delete it really bless because like it's also made what I create so much better like it's just like my original idea and thought and it's like has zero influence from what I heard and I'm like oh my god my song has to sound like this new trending song like you know what I mean it's just I'm not being influenced everything's just coming from my brain.

39:35I was going to say, I think that's why being numb to it or not even looking at it, you guys didn't get to where you are based on curating who you are on comments. Do you know what I mean? You got to where you are by being who you are without being perceived. So why change once you're being perceived? Because then you're not who you are anymore. It's like when we release Gnarly, we say this all the time, that when we first heard it we were all so excited about what we could do with this song and just really show our and how much we enjoy performing and we just want to make these facials and we just want to show the power and all our all the things we've been working towards like that was like what gnarly was to us like we could just be like doing something and people are gonna take it a weird in a weird way and we knew that we knew that people were gonna take gnarly in a certain way but that's the thing about art like you it's yours and you feel a certain way about it but then you give it to people and it's just like whatever they do about it yeah exactly when When Darlie came out, that first few hours, they were like, everyone was like, take it back.

40:37Take it back. This is the time where Flopside comes out. It's not clear. They're done. They're done. You know what? We are done. They hate it. Oh my God. We're not going to perform it, but we decided to perform it anyway, and they all switched up. They did. They always switched up. We got nominated for a Grammy. The one three AMAs, a VMA. And watch, I just say that now, and they're going to be mad at me again. Yeah, they are. They will. They are going to clip this. I can feel it. I can feel it. And that's okay. I can see you. I can see you. And that's what I'm gonna do. Because I won't see it.

41:07Yeah. I'm not gonna see it. Clock it. I won't see it. I won't see it. If I do, then I'll just laugh with you. Like, it's okay. Yeah, truly. Well, Yoonjie, what are you therapist about today? Oh. I'm not therapist about anything today. Oh, period. Okay. And that's a luxury. Yeah. That's a luxury. Not yet. Oh, the day just started. But last night, I think I've been like having weird things about food. Every time I get food that I really - She's a cute girl. I love the group chat. Yeah, same time. I think I'm going to hurt too. Like every time I crave something, I order food and it would be like something's missing.

41:55like main food will missing or like food comes with very not tasteful yeah like so bad and that's why i've been like oh like i've been satisfied yeah i'm like not satisfied last night i was like wait i should get army stew that's like korean food and i was like wait like that's like I can't that's not gonna like fail like you can't go wrong yeah so I was like okay okay I'm gonna I'm gonna be so satisfied and I ordered it and the restaurant called me and saying oh um hi I think you're gonna have to cancel the order because someone stole your food

42:45and I was like of course it was it was too late it's too late it's too late so did you eat and then you're like what do I do now did you eat something I had, um, I don't know what I had. She like had Factor. Yeah, I had Factor. Yeah, I order Factor every week. I always steal their Factor too. It's really good. Wait, so you guys were just all in Korea for a month? Yeah. Do you get to show them some of your favorite places that you like grew up going to? Yeah, there was like this place that her parents took us to and there was like literally five courses like, and one of them, it was like a steak with bubbles on it.

43:35Yeah. It was crazy. It was so nice. It was like bubbles or soy sauce. So it was like bubbled up on steak, but then it would pop into soy sauce. It was so good. No, but she would also, because you know how in Korea they have the ramen cups and then there's like cheese and sausage and all that. And then we would like make combinations and make it in our hotel room in a microwave. Like we would take the bulldog ramen and just like add sausage, cheese. She's like, your stomach's probably going off right now. Yeah. I can hear her stomach growling. Also like the shopping there is pretty fun. Yeah, like she introduced us to Hongdae like I don't know what that was It's just like the city where you just go shopping right?

44:16Oh, yeah There's a lot of cute stores There's like a lot of like cute performances that people do like on the street as well It's a cute vibe and it's like a very young vibe. There's a lot of young It's very it's very it's very cool What's your like favorite thing that you can't get in the states that you miss in Korea? Okay, first I miss going to Han River and eat ramen and biking. That's what I really love to do in Korea. And also, yukhae. What is it? Like meat sashimi. It's like a cow meat sashimi. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's like that kind of... It's like a batch. I've never seen that in States.

45:07So like I'm... tartar. Yeah. It's like different how you eat. I know what you mean. Yeah. So good. I have that in Korea too. Yeah. I feel like a lot of Korean food, but there's a lot of Korean food here. Very good Korean food. Do you have a favorite spot you go to? Here? Yeah. What about that place we went for your birthday? Quarters. Quarters. Quarters is fire. Dude, it's so fucking good. Quarters is fire. Quarters? Quarters? Be honest. Be honest. To be honest. Speak your truth No, I really liked it

45:48I also went to one with you and your mom We went to BCD Tofu Sometimes I order it Yeah, that place is really good Well, Sophia, what are you therapist about today? I feel like I hate that I've honestly Having to talk about this so much recently but I feel like it's like almost becoming like me making it a personality trait but my ADHD has been so bad yeah I get it yeah and I'm really pissed about it I completely like this morning I had therapy while I was getting ready and I was just like wow it's like if I if I could picture my ADHD in something physical it would literally be like a roll of duct tape like firstly going over my mouth and into the corners of my eyes and into my ears and just like fogging up everything and like making it so difficult and into my hands and then duct taping me somewhere but then also like out of nowhere it just disappears and then duct tapes me again it's just like it's so frustrating recently I'm like so pissed about it do you have any like methods that you use to like calm it down when it flares up I've been trying really hard but I think at this moment for the past couple months for almost a year now actually it's like spiked so much like even when I was in training it was a problem and like i think growing up to it was it was undiagnosed and it's very different from when you like when you're an adult and when you're a kid and especially for women and for men it's very different and a lot of it comes from like my upbringing or like depending on what your environment is it's really like like it's really like that when you have something as like adhd but recently it's been so disruptive that i am like somebody who doesn't ask for help but i'm literally like asking medical help for it because it's so bad it's so bad i like can't sleep yeah because i'm so internally during the day you're exhausted during the day i'm exhausted and like i i can't when i sleep too it takes me so long to fall asleep because my brain never shuts off and then i just end up like having like nightmares and then i just wake up at night and then it's so hard for me to fall back asleep and then when i wake up it's so hard for me to get up and i don't also don't feel well right i've never i haven't been well rested in months i completely relate I was going to say, for me, my ADHD spikes up when I'm tired.

48:03When I'm super exhausted. I wonder if that's why it's spacking for you. I think that's a lot of it too. Recently, we've been really tired. We've been really fucking tired. I definitely think I need to rest more. I haven't quite been prioritizing my rest. But on my off days, I will do a session and create something. because sometimes I think like we we perform so much and deliver so much which is also like beautiful and it's so fun but like I have a need inside of me to like also just like express and like recently I used to only really love like production and making beats but like recently I've really fell in love with writing and like I've been writing poems and like journaling and I think I'm feeling really deeply recently so it's so strange like everything around me inspires me and speaks to me in a different way like the trees you know but yeah but writing thoughts down I've also been like kind of writing like in my journal more not songs but just writing in my journal more and I feel like when you put thought to paper it kind of helps you figure out what you're feeling more than just like saying it out loud would.

49:22Like I was writing down stuff the other day and I was like, oh, that's why I feel that way. Yeah, exactly. It makes you like, that's why I feel that way. It's kind of like better than, just for me, like better than therapy because I'm like, I'm processing this in my own head and I'm like having a conversation with myself, but through words on paper. And like so much like beautiful art for me recently has come out of that. And like on my off days, is like I'll just dedicate the entire day anytime we have to doing that. Because it's like rest in a form for me. It's like, does that make sense? Yeah, it makes complete sense.

49:59It's like a release. Even though I'm like working, it's like not work. Like that's like creating is like my favorite. Just like music. I care about it so much that it's like, it's this form of release and it really rejuvenates me to be able to come in to work the next day and like do our job. Yeah, it's like, I mean, you could like, it's like you're like letting go of all that baggage you've carried throughout the week into. Yes, into like music or into, yeah, into art or like into poems too. Like, it's just like I used to hate that so much. And I used to be like, I'm not a songwriter. And I still like, it's hard for me to see myself as a songwriter.

50:39but like I used to be like I only care about how music sounds and like what it's like what the production is and how what the melody is but now I'm like no lyrics are so important like what you're saying is so important yeah and like that's like the beauty of music it's like you're telling a story through sound and like now I've just fallen in love with like writing and so it's beautiful oh that's amazing day what are your guys's off days i'm a homebody i just stay at home and sleep and just like i just my soul needs to be like rejuvenated you know so for that i just like stay at home also like i just moved so my home is like my like safe space and i just like decorated it and so it's really cute and i just i don't know i like spending time like on my little couch or on my balcony um i watch tv um i just try to like just like do nothing because we're always doing something right and also like i'll call like sorry are you okay

51:59i do that all the time on this show and i always get scared that someone hears

52:19so i'm a homebody but we were talking about this like the other day um it's hard to make friends in la and i want to make friends like i want to go out and i want to just like hang out with people because I feel like that's good also for my soul. But I don't, I just, I don't have friends. And so literally like a couple of days ago, I reached out to like a couple of people because I need to do it for my soul. Oh, you did it? I did it. I did it. Thank you guys. We encouraged her. We encouraged her because we were like, because you have to like, you have to put yourself out there and you have to be the one to like, I should do that too.

53:01You should. It's hard though. it's hard because you also like expect like you're like but i want them to reach out to me like i want people to be able to like want to hang out with me you know what i mean so it's hard you should also give yourself grace though like you guys didn't go have those college years where like you were like in college like essentially trained me how to make friends like i was like okay you're like put in a dorm with all these people you are not going to get along with half of them but you're going to be friends with half of them and it's like a very confusing thing so you have to give yourself grace in knowing that like you didn't have that and so you're still figuring it out well i kind of did sort of with them your school was like our college was dream academy we lived with like 20 girls yeah some of us went through high school during training too how like we would come in at like eight in the morning and do like three hours of school oh my gosh that was crazy With Colleen.

53:59I was in college and then I dropped out for this. Yeah. Where were you in college? In the Philippines. It was online though. It was like still pandemic. Like I don't, I was just with my best friend. Yeah. I finished high school though. So like I had the whole like social experience and I had a lot of things also outside of school. Like I had a lot of like different communities. So like the social aspect of it, like my friends now, I don't really have any like new friends here really that are like core. I've always been very tight. So my friends at home are like still the people that i constantly talk to and i'm i'm like okay with that like i'm the type of person like i'm not like oh like i don't have friends like i need to like go it's just like the type of person i am because i'm super homebody but also very extroverted yeah like i'm in between yeah there's an in between like there's days where like i don't care like i don't need friends like i have my people and i have my people back at home and that's all i need but then there's some days where i'll like kind of get fomo and i'll see like like the other girls go out or i'll just see people online go out and like they have like their group of friends and i'm like i'm like damn like that kind of looks fun and also like it's more fun to go with the group of people versus like just one or two so i wish i had like a group of friends that aren't in cat's eye love you guys to death

55:18because like we're literally sisters like of course you want friends sisters yeah so yeah the rest is a part of our job like we We don't just sing on stage. You see what we do on stage. Recovery and actual sleep and rest is a part of our job. On our off days, we have to do physical therapy. We didn't mean to sleep. I have to go get my driver's license. I don't have time to get my driver's license. I got to go to that. That was a big one. You don't drive? You don't drive? It was like Uber? You Uber everywhere. Me too. Are you serious? Yeah, I can't drive. I grew up in New York. So I'm like, then I got here and then all my friends started driving me.

55:55and then I was like, it's fine. Okay, it's fine. Yeah, it's fine. It's safer for the roads. Talk about people that are bad at driving. Let me just say, the only time I've been in an accident was in a fucking Uber and I'm so pissed about it. I was in an Uber accident as well. I was in an Uber accident too. Yeah, I got T-boned. No way. Yes, yes. Did you like spin? No, wait. It was just like, it happened like all of a sudden it was like my body jolted and then it stopped for a second and then it jolted harder. Wait, did you get anything like are you like were you okay no i was saying i had whiplash on my oh my god i had whiplash for like half a year it was so bad oh my god and we was maybe that's why you're like getting it was a scam because we were across the street from a hospital and then right on the site there was an uber lawyer being like were you just in an uber accident let me talk to your dad and my dad and my dad was like i think it's a scam like just go home is that crazy so they just pay you forward the scam yes that's actually insane yeah it was in la it was in la in like 2016 wait that is like diabolical yeah it was crazy that's crazy and now every time i drive and i see a car coming this way and i'm going this way like i tense up oh yeah ptsd yeah can you imagine your mom my mom would freak my mom is like yeah she would your mom would like would like flip the world yeah my mom That's what I call her.

57:24But in a great way. Oh, yes. Is she kind of like the group's mom? Yeah. I think all of our moms are very group mom. They have their own group chat. They're their own cat's eyes. Really? Yeah. But it's highly active. It is. I think it's mostly more active than our group chat. We always say that we think Auntie Sylvia, her mom, would be the leader of cat's eyes. Like if they had their own girl group, her mom would be the leader. Our moms would be troublemakers. Our moms would be the troublemakers. Our moms are really good friends. What happened was, we went to the Philippines, okay, and that's where I'm from.

58:04And my mom and her mom, okay, get drunk. Her mom doesn't drink. My mom doesn't drink. Get her mom drunk. I can't believe it. My mom told me, she like told me what they did. They were like saying like her and Auntie Kavita were like, oh, they were like drinking. And then they were like, No, no, no, you just have to hold it for the photo. Yeah, they're like, Sylvia, just a sip. Just like hold it for the photo. And they're like, well, now you're holding it. You got to take a sip. And it just kept going. That's how it starts. And there's like videos. They arrived at our show before we even came out.

58:32And they were like, don't let me know. And our moms were like, I've never seen my mom. Like that, like the biggest smile on her face. She was like. They were gone. They were like, the icons were like chanting their names. And they were like, they were like basking in them. And your mom was like, my mom. Also, my mom's the biggest BTS fan, maybe more than us. And I got a text from her last night being like, I got on the Jumbotron. She got on the Jumbotron with like, she makes signs like for every show that she goes to, including BTS. And she got on the Jumbotron last night for BTS. And she got a video and she was like, aww.

59:11That's so cute. I was like, now we have to put her on the Jumbotron. That's precious. Isn't your mom trying to like hold her up? Yeah. Wait, what happened? Okay, because her parents came to the AMAs and BTS was there and Auntie Sylvia was like so like weak in the knees. Oh, what? She was crying. She had to take off her heels. My mom said she had to take off her heels and she became weak in the knees by seeing those men. And so like my mom and her friend had to like hold her up. No way. No, because my friend came He was like, we had to hold her. Your mom was crying on him. Oh, so your mom is like the biggest BTS fan.

59:55She was in Vegas for BTS and Katzai just happened to be there. She did all three of the biggest shows for BTS. Who's her bias? Suga. Oh, really? But we just happened. She was like, oh, wait, Megan's going to be there too. Like she didn't care about the acceptance speech or anything. She was just happy to see BTS. And then we went backstage for the BTS show to meet them. And she was like, can I come? She's like, you finally made me proud, Becca. She's like, finally. You met BTS. This was it. You guys are about to release a new EP called Wild. Yes! Yes, we are. And then you're going to go on a global arena tour.

1:00:36Yes! Tell me about all of it. It's our first ever arena tour. It's crazy. It's our second tour. It's sold out. It got sold out in the day. They added, I think new dates, right? And then it's sold out. Like everything is sold out. We're going to Europe, we're doing North America and we're going to new places that we've never gone to before. And it's really, really exciting. I love going on tour and we're gone for like a while too. And we're going on a bus. We're going on a tour? Oh, you've never done a bus before? No, I've never done a bus. Oh, you guys are going to have the best time. We briefly, briefly - So what I heard is that we're being split into two buses.

1:01:12Yeah. Yes. Yes. Okay, we experienced the tour bus a little bit. Actually, it was Coachella day and we were in Palm Springs. So we took like a tour bus to go to Coachella. It was like 45 minutes. It was so fun. It was so cute because we got to sleep in the little bed. It was so cool. It was so cute. We kept swinging and we kept kee-keeing. We would open the curtain and laugh. It was so fun. And we were climbing. It was crazy. We were climbing and we would be upside down. Yeah, we were doing somersaults. Like monkey bars. I can't wait to decorate the bus. I know. I'll give you my stickers. And you'll get close with the driver.

1:01:48It'll be so awesome. You guys are going to have the best time. I'm going to bring my Hannah Montana poster. Me and Laura were thinking we're going to make a little studio in the back. Oh, how awesome would that be? And our little off time, we would make music. Me and Megan, we do our sessions sometimes. We've had some hits and some misses. That's cute. Wait, you know my favorite. Oh, yeah. Sing it. Cat's eye. Cat's eye.

1:02:16Yeah, yeah. Yeah, that one's good. What is exciting to you guys most about this new era? Oh, okay. There's many things. There's this one song that I, me and Sofia specifically, really like this song. It's really catchy. It's like... I love it so much. I love it. I love it so much. Also, I finally listened to the version with our voices yesterday, and it sounds so good. Honestly, I think it's one of the first times you can really, really hear each of our tones, like natural colors of our voice. It was nice because I have a cat's eye voice that I'll put on for the pop vibe, but I think in this song, it wasn't really that.

1:03:01You could hear my natural color, and I feel the same way with all the girls. Yeah, for sure. So I'm really excited about that one. I know the icons are going to love that one. When this comes out, will the track list be out? So we can't say how many, what the names are, but we did very recently finally get the masters of the songs on this EP, and it's all I've been listening to. Same. And the thing is, I know that it eats when I'm listening to, like constantly wanting to listen to it as if it's not even our song. Right. I feel like a lot of artists sometimes don't really listen to their own music, especially I feel like for us, a lot of our songs, we have to rehearse them for hours and hours because of the choreography that comes with it.

1:03:41And so like you kind of just get sick of it a little bit. But then like some songs we don't perform as often so we want to listen to it. But the thing is all the songs, like I'm wanting to listen to it. Just like I was in the shower listening to our own music, like so excited for it to come out. Especially that one. Especially that one song. I don't know. You're going to like that song. I'm so excited to perform that song. You're going to like that song. You know that. I know. Yeah, yeah. I don't wanna hear it! It's that one song, it is so... I just love it. I think it's the best Katzai song. Same.

1:04:12What are you talking about? Uh, yeah. It's so good! It is good. When I texted the group chat, that song? It's so good. I literally texted the group chat, I was like, you guys, I fucking love this song. It's so touching. I really like it. It feels like pop girl realness. Oh, I'm ready. It feels like girl group, like what you wanna hear from Katzai. I was in the shower pretending I was actually already performing it. I was thinking of like, okay, which dancer is going to come to me and like do this part with me. I was like, I know. It's sexy. How do you guys like formulate your chemistry as like when you're performing?

1:04:44Oh, Sohey and Grimm. I'm performing directors. And also like the label in general. Yeah. But what I learned is that also a lot of it, I don't think I realized it, but a lot of it is like strategic, I think as well. For them, like, like they were explaining to us, like who starts the song, who finishes that, who does the pre-chorus. like it's all very like strategically distributed between us. Yeah, it's not like random. Yeah, it's not random. But I do think like say they're like, okay, Laura, you're going to sing the pre-chorus. But then I try it and it's like Sophia sounds better and I sound better somewhere else.

1:05:18Like they will have flexibility with that. But I think for like performances, like it really depends if it's like a dance, if like we're dancing or if we're not. Like if we're dancing, they usually come up with the choreo beforehand and then we like learn it and then but if it's not like MIA like we incorporated a lot of our own ideas like especially like for Coachella we were really really a part of that process being like I want to do this like or like when we started on the buildings like Danny me like Lara like we were like all coming up with those ideas like Lara's idea was to come out of the window yeah so yeah I think we get like a lot of a lot more freedom with our songs that we don't really have to do choreo with and it switches up to it switches yeah yeah like for mi especially like since it's so free like for coachella like i did that part on top of the building but for gov ball like it's gonna be a little bit different are you guys excited for gov ball i'm so excited new york i used to go to gov ball in high school all the time yes i used to go all the time it's so Wait, is it next weekend?

1:06:25Yeah, it's next weekend. I'm gone. Where are you? Where are you going? France. Where are you going to France? To France. The Grand Prix. For what? The Grand Prix. The Grand Prix. Like the race car. Oh. I know. I know. I know. That's awesome. Yeah, it's like the F1 stuff. That's so fun. I know. Sports. Sports. Sports cars. Well, I'm just going because I want to go to France. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, I would love to go to the Grand Prix. Right, that's so cool. That sounds cunty. But I'm very jealous of the performance that I'll be missing. Wait, are you gonna serve like looks? Like are you getting styled and stuff?

1:07:05Well, I'm not gonna get styled. Lately, I've been like trying to like, actually I was gonna ask you guys about your own styles as well because you guys have colors. Oh my God, okay. So I wanna hear about the colors. I'm fucking out of colors. Wait, these colors go outside. This was during sis era. This was like when we debuted. Yeah. But we also had like a personal color and it was all pastel. And so they announced, they like, they assigned it on their own, the company to us. And they also like, this is your favorite color. This is actually my least favorite color. In our album cover for the sis, like we're all standing in our personal colors.

1:07:43Like I'm in purple, like she's in pink and like she's in like orange. Beach, orange. You say loves the pink. I like the pink. Yeah. But you love the pink. Yeah, you love the pink. I do too. I love pink. Yeah, blue is gorgeous. We like blue. It's just that coral and green. I hate my color. Yeah, you two hate your colors. I fucking hate it. Yeah. And it's also like, I hate the color orange. Like, I really try to fight to have red. I actually love orange. No, I don't. I said orange was the color of the summer a while ago, and it did not come to fruition because of now, because I tried to, I wore an all orange outfit one day, and everyone was like, oh, man.

1:08:17I used to hate orange, and then I figured out, like, no, I'm actually like, it's giving. It also depends like what tone of orange. Like there's so many different types of orange. Like peach, cream, orange. And it was just not giving. It washed you up. It washed me up so badly. And at the time I had orange hair. It was just like orange, orange, orange, orange. It's so annoying because now when you look up on Google, like what is Laura from Katzai's favorite color? It's like green. And I'm like, no. It's not green. It's not. It's not. We have this strange lore about this place called Nowhere Land.

1:08:51which tell me about it okay I have to tell you because you were in New Orleans I'm in New Orleans I actually saw what fan posted a TikTok video and that's how I know oh wow that's not true

1:09:15you have to explain touch like what happened that's where it started touch was when we started i'm the missing person and that's that that's that what do you mean you're the missing person she's like a missing person and she's gone to nowhere land yeah yeah we're like in the real world but then there's a new development yeah there's a new development do you want to tell there's that's we're doppelganger it kind of feels like you guys so the real cat's eye is like not us like yeah like the real cat's eye has been like the other mother yeah and they've been banished and stuck in nowhere and you can see me if you watch the touch music video back in the beginning i'm crawling through this like ac unit and i call out and i end up in nowhere land and it's just you see there's this paper it's like on the news that yoon she's missing so it's kind of like the real world is like wait you just gone but they don't realize yet that we're all also gone so you're missing a nowhere land yes because i jump out of this painting okay and it's like it slashes but then yoon she's like isn't oh yeah wait i thought it was the opposite i thought no everything wasn't slashed except yoon she's because she already fell through into the nowhere land no no i think it was whatever it is it's what i do but there's a difference you'll see it and then in gnarly music video to be kind of continue the story where we were all based in nowhere lengths instead of the hollywood sign it says nowhere land oh yeah so we have this like lore going on that like if you are so deeply into our content like you would notice like it's like for the icons that are really it's like a story i love this how fun it's like a fun additional thing for our fans to like dive into you know okay should we do the tell me what's wrongs yeah This is where people write in.

1:11:08Yes. And we give them advice. Yes. Oh, yeah. I love advice. I'm not going to lie. I literally watched one of your episodes last night before I went to bed. Which one? I watched the one with Maddie Ziegler. Oh, she's the best. She's the best. She's one of the people that I just texted, by the way. Really? Yeah, to hang out. And she, by the way, is the best hang. I was in New York. I got dinner with her, just me and her. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it was like, literally could have sat there for hours. Oh, my God. I love her. She's a real bitch. She's a huge under her wing and like really like good person.

1:11:38Real head. Her sister too. Yeah, she's Kenzie the best. Kenzie, yeah. So, so cute. Some of you. Thank you. Last time I saw her, I was like 12. Last time I saw her. So I don't know what it's going to be like, but. It'll be great. She's the best. She's so sweet. They both seem so genuine. Oh. Yes. Laura, this one might be for you. Okay. I'm so scared to run into my ex out and about in LA. Did you write this?

1:12:08okay okay that's crazy help i'm so scared to run into my ex out and about in la that's like kept me from going out on so many nights i don't like that she has the power over me but i'm hurting and if i saw her it'd be lights out my friends are always inviting me out but it's to all the places she might be going help okay okay unfortunately i see one of my exes almost every time i go out like it just happens it just happens i think i saw my ex-girlfriend like from high school like last week like it's just like if i'm like getting coffee your ex is there it's gonna feel like you're being haunted yeah but i think you just gotta get through it like you just have to accept that you will and like it can always just be like a hey like how you doing you can't live your life in fear you can't live your life in fear like they exist too and honestly something that helped me is like they probably feel the exact same way like they're probably also scared and like they're feeling the same awkwardness so it's like at the end of the day it's like whatever we're both humans we're existing we can coexist ripping off a band-aid It's just ripping off a minute.

1:13:21I think, yeah, after the first couple of times you see them, you realize it's really not as like, like the feelings don't really all come rushing back to you as much as you think they would. But it's sorry. It's tough, though, because if you don't have enough time to heal before you see that person, I feel like I'm giving such bad advice. but it's like when you don't have enough time to heal and then you see the person like while you're still healing that's really hard yeah for sure I think like during my period especially oh my god my first heartbreak and like with my first love my ex moved to New York um and it's actually crazy because like I moved from New York and went to school and we met there and then he went moved to New York after we broke up and went to the school I went to in New York right so he like became friends with all my friends that's so weird I was like like grew up with like before I moved to LA you know what I mean and so it was that was really difficult but he like moved away so after we broke up and I was dealing with my heartbreak like we didn't see each other and like that was really helpful do you know what i mean like if we were like still going to school and seeing each other it would have been awful so i think like that space is really nice but once you actually see them it's like it's not really that deep yeah it's not that deep it's not that deep like it's fine you'll you'll get through it my boyfriend got a haircut without telling me and it's a buzz cut oh my god it's a lot it's a buzz cut okay that's the worst it definitely doesn't look good on him and i loved his hair it was it was his punishment for his fantasy league whatever oh i hate that yeah it's like they bet they bet they bet on like sports they're like they pretend to be that i think they're like i'm like very it's very boy so i'm like gonna do a shit job at explaining this but like boys have like fantasy leagues so like they'll like what is it?

1:15:33I don't know what it is. It's like when people talk about fantasy football is that what that is? Yes it's that. And it's like he lost in fantasy football so he had to shave his head. Yeah like make you do crazy things. Also if they don't let you know that they're gonna change their hair like it's like cause your hair hair on guys is like makeup for girls. It's makeup. It just like changes so much. I couldn't agree more. I couldn't agree more. It's just like using like an external factor to have you change your hair when like you like it anyway. And then like they like. Like it's like she'd probably be like, I'm the one who has to look at you.

1:16:08You know what I mean? She says, I like your hair. Why would you like change it like that? Like, you know how much it means to me or something like that. The real question is, do you love him unconditionally? But that too. She says, I'm on the edge of breaking. She says, I'm on the edge of breaking up with him because not only do I dislike how it looks, but he made a decision without my permission. No. No. Okay. I'm just not. That's different. Okay, girls, you gotta get it together. You gotta get it together because, like, that's his own. Boom, boom, boom, boom. He can do. He doesn't need your permission to cut his hair.

1:16:42But I understand, like, he didn't tell you. I don't think you need to break up with him, sis. Breaking up with him. Like, I know people who cry when their, like, their significant other, like, shaves their beard or something because they look just because it's different. It doesn't mean, like, you hate it. It's just different. It's different. Breaking up with somebody just because it's okay. No, but it's like, imagine you wanted to dye your hair blue and your boyfriend is like, no that's ugly you can't do that. You have to ask for wishes. We'd be like what? I'd be like fuck you. You know how I'm still dying with hair blue.

1:17:03Oh my hair goes back. Like babe maybe you guys should break up and you should work on yourself. Yeah. Like wait. Maybe that's the advice. Let's like let's like real hair. Wait I actually think that you'd look really hot with a buzz hat. Okay you know what? And bleach it. Thank you so much because I've wanted to buzz my hair for the longest time. You did. Bleach buzz hat. And I've wanted to get an earring. Yes. Yes. I wanted to, but Louise told me it was bad for the brand. What? No. What do you mean? Is it like midlife crisis? No, but you just pierce your hair. You just take it out when you don't need it.

1:17:35You really think I look good with a buzz? No, I really think that's cute. I would not randomly say that. Wait, would you bleach it? Yeah. Bleach your hair, buzz it, and get a piercing. Like, just go crazy. Just do it. Just do it. Just do it. Like, fuck it. It's summer. It's summer. It's better than the horse. If you hate it, you can take the piercing out. And you can dye your hair back. It's fine. That stuff you can reverse. It's not the end of the world. I'm going to buzz my hair. Yeah. I'm going to buzz my hair. Wait, I want to do it for you. Wait, you can. Can I? Yeah. Wait, can I splitch it for you?

1:18:06Yes. Okay. Wait, period. I don't know if I trust us with that. It would be like a big group thing. It would be like a big group thing. It would be a big group project. Yes. Oh, uh-huh. I'm buzzing my hair. Wait, can I get a boom, boom, boom, boom? Yeah. Boom, boom, boom, boom. My partner won't dance with me when we go out ever. Okay. Fuck it. Fuck it. Okay. No, throw it away. Okay, wait, no, actually continue because - Yeah, yeah. No, throw it away. Okay, just continue. Like, I really want them to, but they just say, I don't dance. I don't dance. I'm a very free spirit, so this sucks, but we match in every other way.

1:18:42I want them to share the experience with me and get out of the comfort zone. Do I just need to let it lie or keep trying? No, okay. Do they have trauma? I think that, first of all, it depends how long they've been together because maybe it's still new and maybe it's not they're not as comfortable with each other yet but i mean i think just give it time and eventually like they'll open up and like if they really love you they'll do something for you no matter what like just give it time but i don't think i would i wouldn't give up i would just just wait and give it like you have to express like this is something that i really need yeah sit down with them and be like why don't you dance okay actually Maybe they are insecure.

1:19:24Maybe they were bullied for doing that. Maybe they need to help them heal. But don't force it. There's always a reason. There's always a reason. Maybe ask, hey, why won't you dance with me? Just dance. Just dance. Just dance. Is there a bug? The bug's telling me, do not bug your fucking head. That's what the bug's telling me. No, don't listen to the bugs. Something very similar happened to me. I was watching this set with some guy that I was seeing, and then I was trying to... I was like... He wouldn't dance, and he was just kind of standing there, and I was bouncing on it. I was like, do you want to dance?

1:20:06Do you want to dance? And he was like, I don't dance. I don't dance. I was like, what's your favorite dance move? Maybe they're like this? And he was like, no. Maybe they're trying to aura farm or something? No. I see you. That's what it does again. They just don't want to like, like just be comfortable and like let loose. Like they just want to like mew and just be like. Yes! I have a crazy story. Tell me. Tell me. Oh boy. Oh boy. Okay. Just say it. Just say it really quick. One of my exes, basically I went to Benny Blanco's party with Adela. This was our first time like going to like a big, like we were like, oh my God, this is like a famous people party.

1:20:47like we're like really on our best behavior we're like oh my god like we have to like be so cool and like impress all these people and i bring my ex and she's like meeting this new guy who is now her boyfriend shut up and yeah who is now her boyfriend um but i bring my ex and we're just like partying whatever he's like not really like talking to anyone i'm just like trying to kiki and He's like kind of just, but like for his own reasons, like honestly still like love him. Like he's fine. Yeah. Yeah. No shade. But then we go outside and I think just like out of insecurity, like I don't know what this was, but I like me and Omar Apollo started like talking and I love Omar Apollo.

1:21:33Love Omar Apollo. Like I had never met him. Like I love him. And I was like, oh my God, like I'm such a fan. Like I love you. You're so sexy. Like you're the hottest man alive. But he's gay. You know what I mean? Like, I say it in front of my ex. And, like, I'm, like, obviously, like, why would I tell a man, like, you're the hottest man alive in front of my boyfriend unless he's gay? Like, do you know what I mean? Yeah. And so then my boyfriend hears that and he's, like, fuming. Yeah. He's, like, uh-uh, like, don't do that. And then we start talking. My ex is saying nothing. And then Omar Apollo, like, starts dancing.

1:22:05Like, he's, like, popping and locking. He's a good dancer, too. Yeah, he's a good dancer. But he was being funny. he was like doing the wave and he was like, Laura, I'm a pass it to you. I'm a pass it to you. And then I start waving and then it gets to my ex-boyfriend. He practically like he starts taking a little bit too seriously. And he like challenges Omar Apollo to a dance battle, basically. Like at Benny Blanco's birthday party. And I'm like mortified. I remember Adela and her boyfriend were like looking. And I see Phineas in the corner, like eating a taco. And I'm like, oh, my God. I'm like, baby, like, get up.

1:22:44What are you doing? And he's like, he gets on the floor, and he's like, bullied. No. He's like, step upping Omar Apollo. And I wanted to kill myself. I almost stole my son. Tall man. Yeah, he's a tall man. And you got down on the ground. I remember, like, me and Omar Apollo stood there, and we were like, yes, like, get it. Like, okay. How soon after did you break up? The next day. I actually, I genuinely, like the day after I went, me and Adela went to Chateau Marmont and got lunch. And I was like, sis, like this happened. And she was like, I saw. She was like, yeah, like I think everybody saw that happen.

1:23:25And I was like, yeah. And she was like, you must break up with him. Like this is just not someone that aligns. With you. With you. Right. For many reasons. And then I was like, all right, it's done. And we broke up that day. Omar Apollo break down skate. Yeah, that's actually the most craziest story I've ever heard. It's genuinely a thing. She came to rehearsal the next day and told us about it, and I was like, nothing happened. There's no fucking way that happened. It happened. And she was like, Sophia, I swear it happened. I was like, that's a dream. I feel like I called you the night out. That sounds like my worst nightmare.

1:23:56Yeah, I was mortified, and I was like, baby, stand up. So secondhand embarrassment. So maybe it's better if your partner doesn't dance. Yeah, maybe it's better. You just let them know. But at the end of the day, no shade. We love you. All love. And true blessing. And makes for a funny story. Yeah, thank you for a wonderful story. This is my favorite story to tell. Yeah. So, thanks. I get so much anxiety before I post anything on Instagram. Oh my God, me too. Really? Well, not so much anxiety, but. Yeah. But like, I get it. Like, I understand why. I do understand why. She just wanted to relate.

1:24:32Dump stories. Anything literally. Do you get anxiety as well? No, like, actually, like, like, posting on social media, like, it's a lot. It's a lot. Like, anything, it's like, okay, like, are people going to like this? Like, do I look good? Like, like, you know what I mean? Like, there's a lot of, like, I canceled. Like, there's a lot of, like, expectations. Right, right. There's, like, expectations. I'm like, I'm going to get to this many likes. Yeah, but is this a gag enough? Or is it just, like, a scratch? Like, is this going to do good? Is this going to do bad? So anyways, keep going. Anything literally sends me into a spiral.

1:25:08Yeah. Yeah. I'm so in my head about what other people are going to think because text doesn't carry the same inflection. And I really want, who wrote this? Inflection. And I really want to get over this. Help, is it really that serious? It's not that serious. But to you it is. But I understand why you're anxious about it. Okay, you know what I've actually been doing recently? I've been taking Instagram so casually. Yeah, that's my motto. I love just posting whatever the fuck I want. Whether it's like, I would literally post about the sky. I have been posting just random shit and not thinking about anything.

1:25:41And then I just don't check my comments. I literally post it and then I get off the app and I'm like, okay, I'm done. Because I like posting. I love posting. I'm such a poster. Me too, it's my favorite thing. It's so fun. It's that instant serotonin. Yeah, exactly. That you get. It's like that instant gratification of like. For sure. Like, like, like, like. And you know what? But like, I think I have so many thoughts in my mind that I just need an outlet and I put them on social media. Like, I just do it like either on my private account or like on like my main. But like, I just don't think anything's that fucking deep or anything that's serious.

1:26:13Like, I just posted because I think I like it and I want to be funny. So I post it. I don't think anything's that deep, especially like when it's on your page. Like, I'm not going to let you guys fucking ruin something on my phone. Well, the basis of like social media back in its like early, early 2010s, like was the fact that it was like this unfiltered stream of like this like virtual world. So once it becomes curated, then it's not what social media's initial intent was. Exactly. And we're already so curated. Yeah, everything's so curated. It's cool to just be you. Exactly. be you yeah don't look just post it and get off and also if it makes you feel better like other people feel the same exact way including me so and including me yeah including me including cat's eye yeah i've been really annoyed lately when people tell me i'm really nice growing up i always thought it was a compliment and i wanted to be known that way but recently as i navigate the back half of my 20s i'm realizing i just might be coming across as a pushover and i have no backbone i understand I will always be a good friend and person to the people I love, but I don't want to be a doormat.

1:27:30What's your advice to change my narrative? Oh my God. I understand because I used to be, I used to really hate that. And I think that I was a little bit too nice. Isn't that true? Like I was a little bit too nice. And like, it's not, that's not really quite in my nature. Like I'm very much like, this is what it is. And like, I'm going to tell you how it is. But then I think, post cat's eye and post like people having opinions on us I feel like I was like okay I have to be like really extra nice and like I can't really say what I think anymore because it will get taken the wrong way and I don't want that and like I hated being seen as like too nice because I was like are people seeing this as my weakness like people are gonna see this like and take advantage of that but that is honestly not it's just not true like kindness and being nice to people is like it's a superpower it's like the most beautiful beautiful thing I think as long as you're like aware and like as long as you like just don't be a pushover right it's like kindness with boundaries yeah kindness with boundaries like that's also part of being kind it's like you have to also be kind to yourself exactly like being really nice is like also taking care and being nice to yourself and knowing like when something is going too far so i actually think it's like one of the most or if not the most beautiful compliment because it's like being nice it's like you make people feel welcomed you're approachable like you have a nice aura that means that you love yourself and like you respect yourself like there is nothing more beautiful than like being nice and being a pushover is two different things yeah they're completely different they're very different and that's the thing kindness is everything when you you have to be able to kind of have that selflessness and that boundary and that and that respect for yourself so that you can continue to be kind and you don't need to stop being kind because that's just what you need you can just be but because people will recognize that respect you have for yourself the boundaries can come naturally like people will be like okay I'm not gonna mess with this person they're not gonna fuck with you and that's just something you have to work on like how you see yourself because it's like when you have confidence in yourself and you respect yourself like that rubs off on people like people recognize that right away yeah and it just then people will automatically kind of know how to approach you and so it's more of like an internal thing you have to work on but don't ever stop being kind don't ever stop being nice it's not a bad thing at all now i i don't really feel like i come across i mean some people are crazy but like i don't really come across situations where I feel like people are like taking advantage of my kindness.

1:30:14Yeah. Because I feel like I, like there will always be like a thing of like, okay, like not too much right now. But like I'll always be really kind and like spread love because it's just like it takes so much energy to hold that back and to like stop being nice so that people like fear you and like, ugh, like that's, just be nice. How do you guys like lift each other up when somebody isn't feeling like confident in the group or somebody isn't feeling like great that day? Like, what do you how do you guys all lift each other up? Well, we begin with the hug. We know the hug. We love a lot of physical.

1:30:52We know each other so well that. And we we know each other so well. We know that we know each other. So we feel we naturally feel like what we say matters to one another. because it's like it's really only the people that truly know you what they can say about your situation or what they can say to comfort you like they just you can trust it because they recognize your situation and all that and so we're very big on just reminding each other because that's the root of a lot of it it's when we don't feel confident when we're feeling down in general it's because we're forgetting certain things and our role is to constantly remind this person and the switch of perspective like that's the first thing we do because that's the key to like everything it's it really is perspective that's what changes the game for everybody and how they live life it's just perspective life is perspective and we're always if we're in situation for example suddenly i'm not confident about my outfit and i feel like it's not me but then i remember like we're always in these situations and i was like yeah recently like laura was like if you don't mind me saying i just felt that way she felt that way recently in a situation where she felt like her outfit just wasn't her but she looked beautiful she was like i know i look beautiful but it's just not me and i was like laura you yourself are already so much of you like you care you're one of the people that like give yourself so much and no matter what is put on you you do look beautiful it's not ugly it's just made doesn't feel like you but then you everybody is saying you look amazing like you're the type of person you're such a beautiful artist that is so firmly themselves like things like that like that's how we talk to each other we're constantly like speaking truth it really made me feel better like like we also i think that's the beauty of being in a group as young girls going through this and like navigating attention and fame and like this industry in general like I always have so much respect for the solo pop girls and just the solo artists in general because I'm like especially when you're new and figuring this out it can really fuck with your head and like it can really really make you like your whole perspective on who you are on life like you can so easily fall into a place of like losing reality and losing yourself yeah and we we just had a dinner may i talk about our dinner yes our dinner no well let's get into the dinner because because we had we had our first like hangout or dinner together that we've had in a really long time it was like the first time that we were like okay like outside of work let's just go and like sit and speak and it just ended up with all of us like sobbing at the nice guy yeah you're nice crying at the nice guy frank ocean too and i just made me cry even more but but i think it was so beautiful because like just speaking for myself i like take your guys's advice and like every perspective you share about share to me like about my feelings and my situation like i take it so seriously yeah and i like really take it to heart because like i trust you guys and i like trust that you're not just gonna like say something to say it like that's how we are with each other there's no fakeness and there's there's also like this beautiful sense of like true support like i think we really i really believe and know that like we want each other to win and so it's just like a really safe space and it could easily not be yeah do you know what i mean like i've heard about so many groups and like situations where they didn't feel that way and it's like a constant competition but with us it's like never been like that i think it's always been like i want the best for you and i want the best for me if you win i win and like vice versa and so I just like take what you guys say so deeply and I really internalize it and like it always helps it always helps like we we just I think we're the best people to give advice to each other because we we understand each other's lives like better than anyone else yeah I agree I went to a concert with two of my friends and before the concert started one of them said she was just going to go say hi to another one of her friends that was also there said she would be right back we didn't see her again for the rest of the night she only yeah i actually have a take on this yeah tell me okay so i actually used to be that girl and i can and i can i can be aware of it like i would go to a party with a bunch of friends i used to go to a party with a bunch of friends and then i would disappear and never see i've also done that and like i would leave the party with different people and then it only it took like a couple a few times i did that for like my friends to like confront me and be like hey like I hate like I hate when you do this like I don't want to go out and party with you I don't want to do this with you if you're just gonna leave and honestly that really helped me like you just talk to them just talk because I wasn't aware I didn't think that was it was that deep until like someone told me their feelings about it oh you didn't know I didn't know because I would go to these parties and be like oh my god like all my friends are here like it's fine like we're having a blast like I'm gonna uber home with these people now right but to some other people it's deeper it's so deep so i'm like okay like i didn't realize that i think i was just like unaware so then once they said that i was like okay and i actually have been working on it good i'm the same way i know a lot of people that are the same way yeah i used to be the same way i used to leave and then you're like one time i did it i texted my friend oh my god i can't believe i just left without you i'm so sorry yeah i would be so upset i know it's like make yourself yes i would like call them and like i'm like hey like don't do that anymore are you good at are you good at like uh telling someone when they've upset you like are you confrontational yeah you actually are yeah it's pretty good i always say this every time somebody asks like what do people not really know about you and share or like all that stuff like she's a lot more mature than people i think know like she is the youngest of the group but she is so like emotionally intelligent she's so mature especially with like going through this like she literally joined this when she was like 14 15 like she started like so like she like went to a country she didn't know how to speak english like fully like she was uh just learning english and she was alone her family's not here from korea with a different culture especially in la like come on yeah and with our schedule with a bunch of girls who are also from different countries so she's not only dealing with american culture she's dealing with all our cultures like can you imagine so like but she's like so mature so like she does like come up to us sometimes she sees a situation and then we react differently she's reacts the way that like the adults do like she's like she's grown okay you guys what did we learn today so many things we learned a lot about each other You know what I learned?

1:38:04You guys are real. You're real sisters. You're real sisters. You're a real family. And I am leaving this feeling like so empowered and feeling like. Oh, me too. Good. Is that what you. Okay. I'm so glad. I feel so good. I was so anxious to talk to like five people at once. But you guys like make every space you're in so comfortable, so welcoming, so warm. You too. You too. Thank you. Oh, thank you. You made me feel so safe. You made me feel safe. And I'm going to buzz your hair. I am going to buzz my hair. There's your hair. You have to let me do it. We'll hang out. I'll text you. If I buzz my hair, it's your...

1:38:46And can I bleach it? Yes. I will come together. You're buzzing it. You're bleaching it. Yeah, Yuche does the piercing. Can you do piercings? No. You can do piercings? No. We can learn. We can figure it out. Cat's Eye I love you I love you Jake Shane of Jake Shane Therapist I love you Thank you for coming on the show And the new single animal is out Now Now Now

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