Session 141: Towa Bird

33:23Tell me. So it's a little poignant. Like it's kind of on the tip of my tongue. I have found out that one of my pet peeves is when people interrupt me or others. Especially others.

33:40You know I do that really bad. No, you don't. Yes, I do. You're such a good listener. What? This whole time you haven't not interrupted me once. Oh, tell her. You're mistaken. I caught myself interrupting you a few times. Okay, then, well, then. Well, as long as you didn't notice, I don't give a shit. But especially when it's, like, someone who's a little shy and they're not the loudest voice in the room and they're, like, telling, it's when they're telling a story. Yeah. Do you know what I mean? They're telling a story and it's, like, they have the floor and, like, someone just keeps interrupting them or, like, finishing their sentences for them.

34:14And I'm, like, let them speak. Why this morning did you discover it annoyed you? I was thinking about all of the people in my life who interrupt me. I was like, why do they do that? What is the urge to finish a sentence for another person? I think it's a form of narcissism. And I also think it's, for me, a form of excitement. Well, okay, so I guess I should clarify. It's not all interrupters. it's it's it's when when it feels like it comes from a place of my voice is more important than yours right rather than you can always tell yeah rather than I'm so excited about what you're saying so I like want to add to the conversation and kind of like keep it moving I think that's different very valid thing to be therapist about yeah I've been working on it every day really yeah she checks me every time she'll say stop you really have to stop interrupting your guests Okay, so then maybe, but I think that's the distinction because I've never felt like you're a big interrupter at all.

35:20So I think yours comes from a place of like, I'm just like giddy and happy and I want to be involved. Yes. I'm never like interrupting this person to take their moment. Yes. Whereas I think for some people, it's very much that. Right. And especially when I see it happen in front of me, I hate it. Are you a confrontational person? like would you say like why'd you just interrupt them no i'm not a confrontational person so i just have to be resentful about it instead and like be quietly like furious furious what what else are you i'm trying to be more confrontational though really yeah i'm trying to call bitches out i can't it fucking terrifies me i had a whole therapy thing about it today where i was like it's like is calling this person not even worth my time right like you know what i mean yeah Literally wasting my breath.

36:10I do also think like my version of calling people out, by the way, would never be like, it would be like, hey, by the way, the way you said that really hurt my feelings. Like it would not be, I would not be clocking anyone's tea. It would literally just be like, but I'm really sorry to like inconvenience you by saying that. And I hope that that doesn't ruin your day. Right. It's funny because you're dating one of the more confrontational people I've ever met in my entire life. Yeah, yeah. But that's why. And she would be proud to hold that title, my ad. That's why it works. It's perfect. If I have a problem and I need someone, if it's a night out and I have a problem with someone, I know I can run to Renee and be like, I need you to help me here.

36:52And she would literally be like, I'm so glad you asked. Like with pleasure. With pleasure. To the point where I will not be having a problem with someone, but she will think that they have looked at me a certain way and will be having a problem with them for me. And I'm like, there is something happening that I'm. When the gum, when she starts chewing the gum. When the gum starts. When the gum starts going. And then it's like. Yeah. And sometimes the finger comes out. That's when you know. Oh, the finger. The finger. The finger is fucked. Yeah. The finger is like. something that like my friends and I make fun of her for is when she is having a conversation with the person that she's angry about in her head but is talking to you I do that too and people think I'm angry at them and I'm like no I'm really angry at the situation like she's very much like you motherfucker yeah you fucking like you motherfucker you fucking cunt and you're like But I think that's why I love her so much because I know she's not talking to me.

37:57What the hell did I do? Like I know she's not talking at me when. It's so good. It's so good. Like she's in the moment with you and you get to be like. She's a theater kid at heart. It's the theater kid in her. That's what it is. And I'm not a theater kid at all. I did not grow up doing theater. I don't have any friends who have done theater like from my home. You know what is so interesting that I actually recently discovered about you is that you basically came into this career by posting literally one TikTok video. It was like the first TikTok video you ever posted. So were you used - Wait, that luck was crazy, by the way.

38:37What? That it was one TikTok that - Well, you're talented. So of course it was going to happen. Thanks. Well, it's true. Did you become accustomed to this sort of like instant gratification that TikTok brought that then putting out like a real body, like a full body of work doesn't quite give you current or were you able to balance the two? Oh, man, that's such a good question. I mean, I feel like I feel like I separate them very, very much in my head, like doing TikToks and posting on social media does not because this feels like long for like I spent a year doing just writing this album. and then like I started in February of 2025 and it's like what May 2026 so it's it feels so long term like it feels like a commitment like it's a baby whereas a TikTok I'll spend five minutes making right yeah like the longest amount of time is maybe like an hour did you ever struggle with the slower pace of like an album cycle as opposed to like just like because you can put anything out on TikTok and have like immediate reactions.

39:42Yeah, sure. Oh, I see what you mean. I see what you mean. I kind of hate the immediacy of TikTok. Yeah. Like it doesn't allow for any like space or like slow processing. Like with an album, I feel like you watch a TikTok and then you never see it again. Yeah. Yeah. You know, like it never feeds you the same information again. Whereas for music, it's so like, or with any art really, like movies, film, television, anything, it's so like consistently you can watch the movie three or four times you can listen to the album for the rest of your life whereas like you don't go back and watch the same tiktok over and over again there's only a few tiktoks that i will go back the george washington one being one of them well thank you so much but i think yeah but i know what you mean it's like it has to really be a special yeah special tiktok to go back to it twice yeah so i don't know i'd i see them so separately but But, like, yeah, I don't even, the immediacy of the gratification that comes from TikToks, it doesn't feel, like, very much to me.

40:44Like, it doesn't feel super, like, meaningful. Whereas, like, the reception that I get from an album feels so meaningful. Right. Like, that feels so, I'm so sensitive and so, like, vulnerable to it. Whereas TikToks, I'm like, fuck it. If you hate it, then you hate it. No. Do you, what are you listening to right now? And also, I don't know why this question popped into my head, but when you were talking about going back to an album, I was like, I wonder what your favorite album of all time is that you always go back to. The Beatles album, Abbey Road, but the B-side of the vinyl. Those four little lesbians are cooking back then.

41:22I know. Are you excited for the Beatles biopic? Oh, I don't know. Mixed feelings. It's nerve-wracking. Biopics are always nerve-wracking. They're little haircuts. I saw like their little haircuts. Their little haircuts. But you know a biopic that I watched and I was like, or a biopic that I really want to have been made yesterday is the Madonna biopic. Oh, yeah. I need it. And I think Julia Gardner is playing Madonna. Oh. And I'm like so sad for it. I like. Oh, that's going to be so good. I feel like Madonna's come up. She's so talented. So interesting. Yeah. so this is an artist that I like I'm not as familiar with as maybe oh really yeah I'm not and I want to be so that's why I'm like really interested in like I used to watch like uh um she's so sick Julie Gardner so sick and Madonna of course obviously but I don't I don't have to yeah I don't have to say that I I used to watch on like MTV or VH1 they would have like um like the an hour long like story Hollywood story time of like how like an artist came to be and I I remember watching one of Mariah Carey she should have a biopic her life is fascinating her the way that she sings is wow her voice is amazing I just watched a tiktok of like her singing and like it was maybe like five minutes long and yeah she has the voice of an angel yeah I used to be such a I mean I am I am I had used to be in like the biggest Mariah face when I was in high school she's so she has bangers nasty with it she's so her voice is so crazy and her pen game is underrated she writes all her own tracks yeah tracks okay yeah I'm like she writes all her own music you just kind of became straight yeah I did I don't know why are you still hot I'm still hot I'm a little hot but I'm kind of less hot than you were I'm enjoying it okay okay again And it's reminding me of my like hot room Pilates situation that I had this morning.

43:25I don't go to hot Pilates enough. And I should because every time I do go, I'm like, I feel like I've touched God. It's amazing. Yeah. And I do have to say like this morning was especially amazing because my friend took me to her like studio and I had never been there before. And the instructor, amazing. Just maybe like barely five foot, like skin tight leggings. just this little guy and he it was like literally his stage and he was like he was like step like downward dog step right through warrior one into warrior two and everything was a really good everything was rhyming and i was like your flow is amazing what do they say they say they say and what what do they say like into suvashana like what are they what is the one thing that they'll always say they think they're at the end no but they'll be like into the like upward dog yeah the chaturanga I don't even know I haven't done Pilates in in in a long time and I need to but it was like this yoga flow where he was he was just like spitting so much game and I was like wow this is really just your world and we're living it and also kind of at the same time I'm like what in the LA fuck is happening to me right now I used to want to be a soul cycle instructor her when I was a kid.

44:45It's a, that's a cult. Yeah. That's a cult. That's a cult. I'm like, sign me up for the cult. Yeah. I mean, were you ever a SoulCycle person? I don't think I've ever been to a SoulCycle class. And I like hope to keep that the same until my, my last breath. They, they got me for a while. My mom was like, what are you going to? And I was like, I don't know, but I have to go. they used to have soul cycle like warehouse merch sales where like they would have an entire warehouse of soul cycle merch and it would be on sale okay and i would go with all my friends and i wore this soul cycle zip up hoodie to the ground when i was in high school i just was obsessed and i wanted to be and i oh you were a kiddo no i was like i was i was like 13 when i started doing soul cycle oh shit yeah i know weird right i feel like there should be you should be like over yeah well I had to make sure I was tall enough to ride the bike you and your like little heels yep yeah I literally would have at the time um wow yeah incredible yeah I need to know more about this side of you my fitness class yeah your fitness class and you're like soul cycle episode I there I'll put the photo here and I'll show you after but like I used to celebrate my birthdays at SoulCycle.

46:02Like, they would bring me cupcakes. This is major. I was, and all SoulCycles smell the same. Okay. And I could, like, image, I, like, SoulCycle. Can you explain the smell, or is it just, like, indescribable? It's, like, you walk in, you click your feet into the bike, and they, like. Do you have, like, special shoes? Yeah, and, like, a real diehard SoulCycle person will have their own shoes. Okay. And they'll, like, walk into the studio with their own shoes, and you'll be, like. And they're, like, it's, like, over their shoulder. There was like celebrity SoulCycle instructors. Like the schedule comes out at the same time every week.

46:36All the bikes would get. And then if you were really special, you could book early. It was the craziest thing ever. Damn. I don't know if they still make money. Really? You think they've gone out of business? It's all about SolidCore now. It's all about SolidCore. It's all about SolidCore. Yeah, that's all I hear about. I don't hear about SoulCycle as much as I used to. SoulCycle was like the thing in high school. All SolidCores smell the same, by the way, too. What is SolidCore? It's like cracked out Pilates. But it's not Pilates because I feel like it's not even trying to do that. It's like Pilates, but the best way I can describe it is like holding a plank for like 45 minutes.

47:10Oh, so you go to solid core all the time, don't you? No, last night. You did? Last night. Did you enjoy it? Yeah, I love solid core. But would you agree with me that it's kind of cracked out Pilates? Yeah, they say it's strength training. Yes. Yeah, they don't claim Pilates. But you can't, yeah, it's not Pilates. It's like you don't do any of the classical moves. But yeah, it's holding a plank or some like insanely hard hamstring position for like 30 minutes. The hamstrings are going to get me every time. Every time. Every time. And when it's shoulder day and you're just literally on your shoulders the whole hour.

47:44Yeah. It's brutal. What else are you and Renee watching right now? We just finished season two of Beef, which is so... I didn't watch it yet. You should watch both. Are they that good? People ride for that show. It's really good. I really enjoyed it. Like, so good. What did we watch? We watched Project Hail Mary, watched the drama. Did you like Project Hail Mary? Yeah. I loved Project Hail Mary. Did you cry? That's another hot man. Like, very. Oh, Gosling. Yeah, imagine if I was like, no, the little Rocky. Right, I was like, who was in that movie? The little monster. Brian Gosling. Yeah, he is.

48:22He's very charismatic in that. I was very charmed by him. And I loved his little, like, Paddington coat. Like he had that like yellow trench situation that was happening. Space scares me. But I love movies about space. I love space. I used to want to be an astronaut. Really? Yeah, when I was a kid. Do you watch a bunch of space movies? Not even. Let me put you on. Have you ever seen Gravity with Sandra Bullock? Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Okay, so I didn't put you on. Wait, I have seen that, yeah. Okay, and you've obviously seen Interstellar. Yes, I've seen that one too. I'm like, is there other space films?

48:57I've seen a lot of them, actually. What about the Mars one? Apollo 13. You ever seen that one? I've never seen Apollo 13. That's a good one. What's that about? That's about the actual Apollo mission where they go into space. So you believe the moon landing happened? Are we not believing the moon landing? Some people don't. Like, really? And people ride by it. I believe it happened. You're like, I'm coming out. Just for clarity. No, someone once called me a flat earther, and I was like, I'm not a flat earther. I am. Are you really? No. okay imagine that would be fun that would be kind of fun maybe i should just start throwing that around i mean yeah because it's not that controversial i mean it is controversial but it's not like i mean i get it's just kind of fucking stupid yeah it's like really it's really stupid but so okay it could be fun though like i might just make that my new like that you're a flat earther yeah you know who would do that would be role model tucker tucker would pull some shit like that but it would be private i don't know he would he would tell everyone yeah yeah that's that's the difference between me and Tucker is he would like put it on his story.

49:57And I would, I would like seed it in all of my like interpersonal relationships. That would be the way. Like, isn't it so funny that the earth is flat anyway? Yeah. Why do you want to be an astronaut? I just, I don't know. I was like, this is so, it's so cool. It's so unexplored. Like there's just so much of it. I don't know. Like I love, I love to ponder. Yeah. I was definitely like a kid that like lived, I lived in my own like fantasy and my own imagination. Do you journal? Yeah. Do you have journals from when you were a kid? Yeah, I got to go read them. They're all in Hong Kong. That's awesome.

50:29I wish I had that shit. I don't. That's how I came out. What? You came out to my little journal. I remember it was like, it had like a black and white, like it had like black and white waves on the front. Like it was such an ugly journal. And it like made a noise every time you opened it. It was like a squeaky little like spiral bound journal. But that's how I found out I was gay. I was like writing and I was like oh my fault sometimes I was like oh whoa sometimes writing like allows you to access thoughts that you didn't know you had yeah I think that's what happened in that moment fascinating it was like 11 maybe 10 have you ever reread that journal entry no I need to I don't know where it is there is there are like a couple journals that are missing and because my family moved around so much like I don't know where she might be right but it might just like appear I really hope you find that I know that'd be so cool but you just remember the the moment and the feeling yeah I remember I was like in my auntie's house like also came from a place of boredom oh because I was like visiting I was like you know when you're like with family and there's just like a bunch of free time in the day and so I was like I went back to like my room where we were staying and I was like I think I'm gay yeah and now gay and now Straight Yeah Husband Husband actually Yeah husband actually Perfect Yeah Do you want to do the Tell me what's wrongs Yeah I am incredibly gullible I literally will believe Anything anyone says to me I can't read signals Or body language Or sarcasm for that matter What should I do I can't go on my whole life Being lied to And not knowing about it And not being in on the joke Dash Ava Hi Ava Oh my god Ava I'm so sorry First of all For being so gullible I just feel like that's you can't fix that yeah my advice is stop yeah sorry I think I think you just need to embrace the gullibleness I think it's really enduring I think it's endearing too I think it's sweet I think if you reframe it to being something you embrace as opposed to something you're ashamed of yeah you'll be like yeah I'm gullible and all my friends can play pranks on me and it's so funny and fun and we have so much fun and we laugh so hard because when you know as long as the pranks aren't with mal intent yeah i love pulling pranks on my friends it's my it's like literally my favorite thing to do in the entire world yeah well we call it pulling a p pulling a prank pulling a p your pop p for p p are you and renee big pranksters i i like to partake in the prank she's not really in on it she but she likes to observe i prank cast my friend Cassidy all the time.

53:14The phone calls, the FaceTimes. The FaceTimes. The FaceTimes. I always get her because she doesn't know anything about American history or anything. So I'll just pull someone randomly out of like the textbooks and she'll just be like, what are you talking about? I told her she saw Mary Todd Lincoln at the club the other night and I asked her why she didn't tell me. And she said, who the fuck is that? Mary Todd Lincoln. That's so good. You're like, I saw her. She was fucked up. Yeah, that's. She was messy. Cas goes, that's not a real person. I go, indeed it is, actually. I feel like I'm maturing out of my relationship.

53:48He's so sweet and loyal and treats me the best. But, like, that boy isn't going places anytime soon. And I'm ambitious. I don't want to make too many big life choices at once. So should I just try to grow and hope he follows suit? Damn, girl. I think you're out. I think you're out, too. I feel like you know it, too. If you're writing into therapists. If you're writing into therapists for us to ask you, I think you know what your answer is there Have you ever seen the movie Someone Great? No never Oh it's like that's what that movie's about It's like they're growing they've completely grown out of this relationship They both have different ambitions and like They have to It's sad There's so much good music about that though There's so much good music about like Like Casey Musgraves' Deeper Well Like you know Or a song like I'm trying to think of another song that I would listen to Deeper Well that's a song about like growing and finding do you think I'm wrong?

54:42no I had a really good song Happiness by Taylor Swift oh my god I have not, I don't know that one oh my god Toa it'll change you it's just basically like there was happiness because of you there will be happiness after you and both things can be true I think those are the actual As tears fall But like it's true it's like finding Solace in the I always said like this Year is about the year of two things Existing at once yeah I feel like we View things or have viewed things As such like this way or this way Two things can be true at once Two truths no lie yeah exactly And like you can be have Had so many joyous memories with this Person and also continue to have joyous Memories after and both things can be true.

55:36There will be happiness because of you. That's Taylor Swift. End quote. End quote. So listen to happiness by Taylor Swift. What a great prescription, Louise. It just literally came to me. Wow. Wow. I am desperately in love with my best friend. He told me he loved me and we should be together months ago. Oh my God. Amazing. And I ended things with the guy I was seeing for him. Then he completely did a 180 and faded me and we never spoke about it again. That's crazy. I'm still in love with him, but he wants nothing to do with me in a romantic way. It's been months and it's driving me crazy. What do I do?

56:03I would drop him as a friend. I would drop him as anyone in your life. Yeah, because he wanted you to, he wanted the power of your feelings. And then the second he got it was like, never mind. Yeah. And like, that's a shit friend and that's a shit partner as well. Because like you don't want to start a life with this person if they're going to drop you like that. Right. Or change up on you like that. Yeah. Because how do you say you're in like a complete 180? That's narcissism. Do you watch reality television? not a whole lot you guys should watch Rhode Island it's brand new it's amazing it's like really and truly like they've all known each other since high school so they all shit talk each other like from their past it's actually like it's really beautiful I like saw some moving television this morning you were watching it this morning yeah well I watched it with my Chipotle hangover at 5 a.m oh fuck oh you were really hungover huh you were up I was literally up at it.

57:00Everyone was like, why are you up? I was like, Chipotle. And not in the way that you would think. I wasn't like shitting my pants. I was just like, my head hurts. I'm sick from this Chipotle. Was it a bowl? It was a bowl and I also got a kids meal. Quesadilla? No, like tacos on the side because you can't get an extra side of white rice and that's the only way I know how to get an extra side of white rice. Is kids meal? Yeah. That's so genius. Well, Chipotle needs to figure the fuck out how they market themselves on Uber Eats because it's actually very frustrating you can't get a side of salad dressing you can't get a side of white rice you can't get extra white right the whole thing makes no sense what whoever is running their marketing at uber eats is so someone in the wrong someone call them right someone i don't know how it's not been woken up sooner wake it up let's make a fucking phone call ordering is difficult and it makes me not want to do it that's what you're a therapist about that is what i'm nervous about why can't i get a side of salad dressing why do i need to get a salad asking the big questions today why do i Why do I need to get a salad in order to get a salad dressing?

57:58Why can't I get an extra side of white rice? Why can't I get an extra side of vegetables? Now you have a kid's name. I'll pay. I'll pay. I'll pay. Just put the fucking option on. Now you have a fucking kid. Can you like write in the notes and be like extra rice? Oh, that's the other thing. No notes. You can't write like a little comment. Yeah. Fucking hell. So it's just like this is the way it is. And I don't like the way it is. Me and my friends go to the movies a lot and we have this one friend who never shuts the fuck up. Next sentence that I can't understand. they're not the quietest chatter in the bunch either how do we put them down gently it feels like telling a child sin is not real to tell your friend to shut the fuck up wait Santa's it's like they're scared it's like I think they're equating it to being telling someone they smell yeah the whole Santa part is kind of throwing me off but yeah but I feel like I don't know now that I'm trying to get better at confrontation oh yeah how would you do it I would tell them I would try just be like wait the movie's playing just when someone is like i think it's i think it's really fun when someone's yapping during a movie like quietly but it it's not it cannot be throughout yeah like i think that's i think we should cap it at like four comments per movie a thousand percent anything above that it's like and if it's really your best friend like you can tell them to shut the fuck up i get told to shut the fuck up on the daily that that's also another thing it's like if this is like your true friend you can be like come on dude yeah yeah there's so much power in shh shh i've been told to shh so many times and i listen every time does it ever offend you do you get like are you hurt sometimes like when i'm really on a roll and louise will be like shh i'll be like oh the fuck you've done that a few times you've been like shh have i yes you've been like pipe down I don't think I said shh maybe on a call you'll be like shh oh I have done that I have done that before well yeah like on a call like he'll like I feel like shh is definitely warranted unless it's funny unless what the person's saying is funny yeah then all the rules fucking got the window yeah that's why I'm like I try thank you for saying that I've been long distance with my boyfriend in for a few months now and I'm starting to actually really enjoy it.

1:00:15Almost to the point where this, where, when this period is over, we're in college and he's studying abroad for a semester, I'm going to almost prefer the space and alone time. But I love him and being in a relationship. Help, I want to fix this before he gets back. I don't know how to help you because I've never been in a relationship. But it's sounding like to me, it's like the very early stages of like, it's time to break up. I think yeah I think maybe it's okay to be alone right you can to truth saying it's like you can love this person very dearly and also want to just be by yourself and also they're saying like I am happy and like I like him because of like they're like I like being in a relationship yeah yeah so they're like scared of the instability of not but I think that's that's probably why you should do it I completely agree it's a you know the thing of like when you're uncomfortable with something you're usually like on the precipice of like discovering something really amazing about yourself what do you know I mean is that true I have I have literally nothing to back this up with but you know what I mean like yeah I do know when that's why I was so like when you're uncomfortable you're usually in a place where like you get to learn something about yourself or you get to do something really amazing.

1:01:34So bask in the uncomfortability. Thank you. That part. My boyfriend isn't an animal person. This wasn't a problem when we met because I was so in love. But now that we live together and I really want a cat, what do I do? Get a cat. But he's not an animal person. He doesn't want a cat. That sounds like a fucking him problem. Right. And not your problem. Is he allergic? Do you think an animal could make or break a relationship? It shouldn't. I don't think. If the foundation is strong enough. Yeah. Oh my God. I would listen to Bones by Maren Morris. Because if the bones are good, the rest don't matter.

1:02:08Wow. Right? Your information recall is really good. Really? Yeah. Thank you. Look at you pulling all these references. Well, because if the bones are good, the rest don't matter. Right. And a cat is only going to strengthen the relationship. Or if the bones are not good, bring to the surface the broken bones. It's not Tetris. What the fuck is it? Jenga. So the second time I've done this in this podcast where I've said Tetris instead of Jenga. It's kind of Tetris in a weird sort of way, if you really think about it. If you really think about it. Renee and I played massive Jenga. Like, mega Jenga.

1:02:43It was like a huge Jenga. Like, one of the days before we started, like, seeing each other. That was like - Oh, on the beach? It was like, no, this was before, pre-beach. Got it. That was like one of our last activities that we did just as friends is play mega Jenga. And now look where you are. In a loving relationship of two years? Three years? How long has it been? Like two and a, two and a, yeah, two. Time flies. So crazy. How do I tell my boyfriend of four months now that I made out with his brother at a party a year back? his brother moved away and i know they're not super close so i don't think he knows like i have to tell him right yes yes you do you just have to tell you have to get ahead you have to get ahead of it before it becomes a lie because it's not a lie yet you're just like holding back the truth and like the longer it goes on the worse it'll get question for you and like i don't have an answer for this but do you think that holding back the truth is lying in a sense yeah i do I've been trying to figure that one out I think like You're I don't know if it's like directly lying But you're not like showing someone who you are entirely If you're Which is in a sense like lying Which feels dishonest So I would like tell him before it gets out of control But yeah back to Queen-O I feel like you got it You got it You got it just fucking rip the band I feel like by the way I made out with your brother once Also I feel like boys Do boys care about this stuff?

1:04:15I don't know I mean if they're insecure they care Oh really? Right? I feel like yeah But what do they care about? Is it the fact that she made out with His brother before he hooked up with her But is it because it has to do with her Or because it has to do with him? Well there's only one way to find out She has to open her mouth And let him know She'll do it She has to let him know You have to let him know Yeah I think it's really important I don't know why I'm getting dark energy from it but I'm getting like if you do not tell him things will go south. Yeah, that's like a fucking ticking time bomb.

1:04:50Yeah, agree. Do it now. Well, Toa, what did we learn today? Wait, this is the end? I'm so sad. Wait, really? Sometimes I feel like I'm trapping people. I'm so happy you don't feel trapped. This is the best jail ever. Really? Yeah, your little fake rock wall. Yeah, it's all fake. Oh my God, I'm so happy you had so much fun. Well, it's so easy with you. We know each other. I know. I mean that, Right. That kind of changes the game, doesn't it? And we need a night out soon. Yeah, we do. Or just a chill day. Chill pool day. But what did we learn today? Okay, what did we learn today? I learned that you came out via journal at age 11.

1:05:28Yeah. I also came out when I was 11 to my parents. Or 10. Oh, my God. Or like around that age. It's really, that's really young. Yeah. It's really young. But if you think about it, like everyone has crushes at that age. Yeah. We just figured out that. But I feel like most people don't until they're a little bit later on in their life. Were your parents chill about it? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's so nice. It's like, it's such a privilege to be able to have a family that will accept you. Yeah. It's so rare. It is rare. Most of the time, it is not the case. I didn't know it was rare when I was a kid.

1:06:03Yeah. Which I feel lucky that I didn't know it was rare because that means I grew up in a great household. Yeah. But it is rare. Yeah. The spark notes are earth flat. Earth flat. Earth flat. Wrist hurts. Uh-huh. Journal. Journal. Gay. Gay. And ride the D. Ride the D. Ride the D. Louise is really like down for the D. She spoke about it before you got here. She was like, I literally love the D. Yeah. I need to go and ride the D. I'll ride the D with you. Yeah, we should go on a little outing. I want to go to LACMA too. Oh, I love LACMA. And they have been new exhibitions. Yes. It's very, it's insane.

1:06:43I have not. Oh, it's unbelievable. I'll go with you. Yeah. Let's go. And we'll ride the D. And we'll ride the D. We could meet at LACMA and then ride the D to our next destination. And then get food. Oh my God, a daytime activity for us. I don't think we've ever heard of that. I've never, I don't do daytime activities. Who is that? Well, Tawa. Thank you so much. Thank you for coming on Therapist. Congrats on your album. Thanks. It's incredible. Thank you I hope to see you live soon Right Right And I just adore you I love you Thank you for coming on the show You're the best You're the best Bye pussies

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