Session 145: Carly Rae Jepsen

27:22Carly Rae Jepsen:I was like, this is wild, but I can like take it with a grain of salt. And then where was Call Me Maybe born after that? Well, it's actually an interesting point to ask that question. Because I really don't think Call Me Maybe would have had its life without Canadian Idol. And what I mean by that is it was my first exposure on TV. And I got third. So I actually had a pretty lucky run. Because I had the notoriety, but no contract. So it was a beautiful place to start. And I was just looking for my way in. and my way into a management deal, to a label, to anything that could kind of help me be able to get these songs I was writing heard.

28:04Carly Rae Jepsen:And even like on Canadian Idol, I think in the auditions, they had one rule, which was just like sing a song, but not your own. And I was like, well, I'm going to sing my own because I was like, this is my one chance on TV. I was excited. But it ended up being really helpful in terms of securing those things. So I had a management team after that. I got signed to my first label deal. and there's this you know amazing thing that happened where I got to start making an album and I met sort of like-minded creators Ryan Stewart Josh Ramsey and these producers helped me put together a body of work and Call Me Maybe was born with Josh and Tavish and yeah I don't think anybody expected it to take off the way they did but that was just one of those lucky lightning moments that happen in life where you look back and you're like I don't think we could have curated all that magic had we tried our hardest it was just sort of being hit with uh you know some lightning really and twitter kind of being at the beginning of what twitter was so it was just the stars aligning in a beautiful way yeah yeah do you have a favorite song off this upcoming album oh i think i think i don't actually which makes me happy because i i feel like it's it changes depending on my mood that a lame answer no it kind of does that's that's the sign of a great album by the way it's you can never I always say the sign of a perfect album is one where everybody has a different answer for their favorite song so like I love that emotion you will say what's your favorite song someone will say your type someone will say run away with me someone will say LA hallucinations or like Norman fucking Rockwell with Lana Del Rey everybody has a different favorite song and like that's the song that's the sign of like a 10 out of 10 album oh well here's hoping i think my best answer is that right now for day i like blue skies um it's sort of my like attempt at trying to honor mini ripperton like with some psychedelic folk and then for nighttime right now i'm gonna say near or far and i say near or far because it was the most like experimental track um and it almost didn't make the album because i i got slightly in my head that it was too weird.

30:16Carly Rae Jepsen:And then I decided that that's exactly why it needed to make the album at the end of the day. So I went for it and I'm really glad I did. Yeah. Where did the concept for this double album come to be? Quite simply, I couldn't decide what I wanted to do because I wanted to do two things so passionately. Like I really wanted to make like a synth based intense nighttime album that felt like you're in your emotions you're okay to like go there it's a little bit less like a story song and a bit more like an experience so a lot of like free-form writing in there where you're like little poems put to music kind of thing and I loved that idea and then I really also felt like something was calling me maybe from a little bit of my childhood and my upbringing too about these like kind of good old-fashioned story songs but my my spin on like what I loved about the James tailors and stuff was like how to like play with you know something that felt a little bit more psychedelic than that something that felt a little dreamy yeah a little bit um like what i'd want to listen to in my life moving through the house and they they didn't start with the title day at night it was just these two kind of lanes i was writing in and when i would put something like um wild child which is like quite like a stripped down acoustic number next to something like don't leave me on the dance floor it was looking like i was having an identity crisis and so i was like i just need to like choose and luckily um it was again my guitarist my little adopted brother to have who like came in to new york heard what i was making and quite frankly was like why don't we make it like a house party like there's an upstairs there's a downstairs oh i love that going on and i was like yes and then later on when i was driving in los angeles i was like day and night and as soon as i knew that that's what i was doing i kind of showed up with so much intention and excitement at every session after that.

32:05Carly Rae Jepsen:And then 12 and 12 was quite simply because I was like 24 hours in a day. Get it? Ah, day and night. Day and night. Do you, are you planning on touring the album? Can you imagine if I made all of this body of work and then was just like, no. You know what? I could because Bon Iver just put out this whole thing and was like, I'm not touring it. Wow. And I was like. No, touring's the most fun part. Are you kidding me? the whole reason I make the music is so I can go to her. Absolutely. I mean, I haven't like officially announced anything yet. And I don't know if I'm allowed to give this away, but we will 100 % go and celebrate the album for sure.

32:40Are you struggling right now with like picking which tracks to do? Because it's there's so many and then you also have stuff from emotion.

32:47Carly Rae Jepsen:You know, it becomes quite clear in rehearsals, which songs translate translate, sorry, in the cleanest like clearest way and what I mean by that is sometimes like even a stripped down moment can be just as powerful as like a dancing moment but you can't like know it until you you put it on its feet and and that's what rehearsal is for is kind of figuring out how do these exist in real life outside from the studio because even the way you sing in a studio is a completely different thing than the way you sing live like it all changes well I mean with headphones in a small little box right with your eyes closed feeling a thing in a soft way it's a very different thing than sharing it in a room even if it's the same song and so I feel um like if you can't capture that same intimacy with something and there's some songs you can do that with and there's other songs where it becomes a little bit more challenging then it's best like keep that for the record and do something different on stage or change it up that's always an option too but I've come to really love the stripped down moments like one of my favorite songs live actually has been collage which I would have thought it was only a studio song but actually translates really well to stage because I feel like um by the time we played in the set we're usually we've sweated enough and we need to come down together anyways you know what I mean yeah do you ever uh like doing festival shows festivals are my favorite actually I mean I really do love my own show as well because you get more to play with in terms of production and like really I mean with the loneliest and loveliest time I got very indulgent with my moon and I was like the moon will talk and it'll tell everyone to forget their worries and then we'll start to play, you know.

34:25Carly Rae Jepsen:And that's like, you know, that's part of the fun. But I think a festival is fun because it's a lot of new energy. I think everyone you come to a festival, you're showing up to surrender your life for like a moment of being really present. And I think when you show up with that energy, it's like a contagious thing. And so there's a lot of opportunity for really blissful moments to happen at festivals, I think. I agree. It's one of those things where it's just like everybody is like, it's a real moment of like being present. No one comes to a festival to be like, I'm in the mood to have a bad time.

34:56Carly Rae Jepsen:Right? Right? Yeah. And if you have, go home. Yeah, everyone's on like drugs and the wind is in your hair and like it's just like you feel like you're watching like super stardom. Like you know what I mean? Like that's what it feels like, a sunset set at like Coachella or something. The best. I recently went to Daisy Chain and we saw Chapel Hill. How was that? It was awesome. I heard good things. It was awesome. And we saw Chapel Rhone, and I was just so enamored. And the sun was setting, and the wind was in her hair. And I was like, this. It's a moment. It's a moment. And I think in my own history of discovering other artists, that's always the most magical place to discover a new artist.

35:37Carly Rae Jepsen:Yes. It's one thing to be like, oh, a friend sent me this link to Spotify. Or my friend sent me this little, I don't know, YouTube video to watch. But when you're walking around, and then you're like, who's playing that? And you just gravitate to like, I remember that's how I saw Feist for the first time in Vancouver. And she was like in a little like white trench coat and her white guitar. And she was just playing. I was like, who is this? And that's how I discovered her. And it was like potent in my mind. It's like. Wow. I always say that's the best feeling on planet Earth is discovering a song or an artist through a live performance.

36:09Because it will never be better.

36:11Carly Rae Jepsen:Absolutely. Tegan and Sarah too. That's how I learned. Really? Well, what are you watching on television right now? Or movie wise? If anything. I'm watching a very long, drawn out, but interesting show called My Brilliant Friend. Am I getting that right? My Brilliant Friend. It's based off of a novel in Italy, in Naples. These two. I think it is My Brilliant Friend. My Brilliant Friend. My Brilliant Friend. Yeah. And when I say I'm slow watching it, I have a six-month-old son. So it's been years. Yeah. No. I actually just stopped watching it for a while and I just started again like two nights ago.

36:52Carly Rae Jepsen:I was like, oh, okay, he's asleep. Let me give it a go. It's good. Have you ever written a song based off of something you've seen in a movie or a television show? Versailles. Really? Yeah, Versailles. That's my favorite song off the new album. I'm so happy to hear that. So I was staying at the Grand Hotel in Sweden, in Stockholm, which is like my spot. And they didn't really have like movie rental spots. So you're just watching whatever is like on the TV. And Sofia Coppola's version of Versailles or Marie Antoinette was on. And I mean, like the actual history of that is quite, quite heavy. But I was like this version, this fantasy version, which is so indulgent and all about pleasure is really exciting to me.

37:32Carly Rae Jepsen:And I'm in this place where when I write recently where I just am like kind of collecting whatever is being thrown at me in the day. so when I went into this session the next day I was like you know the idea of Versailles like almost like a metaphor for what it is to like slow down and like live your best life like that's interesting to me and we even like slow the music you do the chorus slows yeah yeah and I was just about to embark on this like month-long vacation maybe almost turned into two months with my partner at the time um he was my boyfriend and he proposed on this trip but we were about to like Like, go venture into, like, a new era of, like, pleasure-seeking, the two of us.

38:09Carly Rae Jepsen:And Versailles was on the list of places we were going to go, so it was, like, fun of the brain. But that is definitely a song that came from a movie. Wow. Yeah. That's so cool. Yeah. Also, do you prefer if people call you Carly or Carly Rye? I think I neither. I'll answer to both, but Carly's totally fine. Right? Because when I was watching your, because I watched your Canadian Idol audition, and you were Carly Jepsen. Yeah. Okay, fun fact. Do you want to know how Carly Rae was born? Yes, please. I've never told this story. It is my full real name, Carly Rae Jepsen. And my mother has always called me Carly Rae.

38:43Carly Rae Jepsen:But no one else did. My high school was just Carly, Carly, Carly. And then on Canadian Idol, they said, write your full name. And I took it very literally. And I wrote Carly Rae Jepsen. And the next day they said, Carly Rae. And I was like, all right, maybe it's more memorable because it's a competition. Maybe they will remember. And then it stayed. And it's been that way ever since. Wow. It's not that interesting, but that's how it happened. It wasn't like a really big choice. It was just kind of a coincidence. Yeah. Wow. Well, Shane, you know, Shane isn't my last name. It's my middle name. There you go.

39:16And it came because I wasn't allowed to put my last name on Facebook in seventh grade.

39:19Carly Rae Jepsen:Oh, because your parents were being protected? Yeah. That's so sweet. And I wanted to make it, my last name was Roscoe. And I was like, I wanted to make it Roscoe so bad. And my mom was like, no, Shane. That's so sweet. Yeah. I love that you have protected parents. like that that's cute what do you when do you ever think about like what the world now that you have a kid like I think about the world like like like like social media and phones and like how you're gonna deal with that with like your kid oh my gosh it's terrifying yeah I mean I try not to they you know stay up in the night thinking about it but it definitely it like comes to mind it's something my husband and I consider I mean we are wondering about this idea of just like taking him hiding away somewhere in a cabin in Canada and just like telling him that this little bubble we create is real life but yeah probably not the best way to go at it so I think we're just gonna be careful about making sure that you know we're there for him and that we're being careful about how early he gets access to all of it yeah my parents made me wait that's good I agree with that tactic.

40:25Carly Rae Jepsen:I think they did. Look at you now. Thank you. They did great. They did great. Well, Carly Rae. Hey. What?

40:36What are you therapist about today?

40:39Carly Rae Jepsen:Today specifically? It could be this week, this month. What are you angry about? Oh, what am I angry about? It could be something like for me, what I was angry about is I have a horrible deviated septum and it sucks and I need to get surgery. That does suck. And I know I have a deviated septum and I went to a doctor. He said, no, you don't have one. I said, no, I do have one. Okay. Okay. Okay. Mine's very specific because I just had a child recently. Okay. But I, I was watching this, uh, Jesse wears a podcast actually about being pregnant and the whole time it's called, uh, is it normal? And the whole time you read all of these sort of like, or you hear all these women talk about all these crazy sort of things that happen during their pregnancy.

41:24Carly Rae Jepsen:And at the end, a doctor or a nurse comes on and says, yes, it is normal, but we don't know why, because it's women's health. And that pisses me off, that there isn't more information and education about women's health, especially when we're out here just popping out babies left, right, and center, making the world go around. So that pisses me off. It's a very valid thing to be pissed off about. Thank you. Pisses me off not just today, but all of the day. Yeah. What are some of your favorite lyrics you've ever written? Of my own? Yeah. I don't know. That, oh gosh. Maybe that you're most proud of.

42:00On emotion.

42:01Carly Rae Jepsen:I think I liked From Runaway With Me, I'll Be Your Sinner in Secret. I liked that moment. I think that there is something I'd like to play with in terms of like the coyness of like being sort of the person who's the pursuer. but also like being like I want to however I'm not going to you know make it too aggressive right you know it's trying to find that nice little balance I think that's why I resonate with it so much because it's like it's almost like this like shyness a bit but it's like please pursue me like you know what I mean it's like please just come with me and be in love with me but like I'm not gonna try too hard like you know what I mean I actually I've been I've been like curious about what it is that makes you feel so alive when you are the person who is the pursuer it's something that I I've been talking about a little bit but do you know what I mean when you put yourself out there and you tell the person that you want them and it's kind of a little scary you don't know what the reaction is going to be it's like one of the times to be alive I'm like I'm actually like dealing with that right now talk about my crush I'm so glad we're back It's really why I came.

43:11Carly Rae Jepsen:I just wanted to know. Because I'm like, do I say to that? Because we're like having this back and forth. But then he's like, but my friend will come to dinner. And I'm like, but I don't want your friend to come to dinner. And I'm like, do I just ask him out or do I get to know him more? Like, do you know what I mean? It's like, it's. I don't know. I definitely don't have all the answers. But I do think that it's confident to know what you wanted to say. Right? Yeah, I do. That's what I think, too. I think so. Oh, also another question. This sword thing. Oh, yeah. How did this begin? For those that don't know, you were given a sword at almost every one of your shows now?

43:47Carly Rae Jepsen:Mm-hmm. Yep. And it started? I mean, you're asking me, but I also am just as confused as everybody. But basically, I've been told that there was a campaign that was started by somebody online. And it was like, I want to give her a sword. And the answer was like, just because I think she deserves one. and somehow it got signed by a couple people or something. You're going to have to do a fact check on this, but it caught wind. Yeah. And then lo and behold, I was like at a show and a couple of people decided to see it through and gave me like an inflatable sword or like a wooden sword or like concerned about how that got in, but still got a sword.

44:26Carly Rae Jepsen:And then I was handed one on stage and I was just as confused as everybody. And I was like, oh, a sword. And then that caught wind. And now I've given swords left, right, and center. I could like make one of those little chairs from the Game of Thrones. I mean, you should. Yeah, I should. I totally should. What inspired you to start putting out like B sides of your records? I didn't want to. I knew I had overwritten for emotion and I was not the only person who was aware of that fact. So my A &R at the time was named John Eamon and he was like, can we do something with these like other songs? I think that there's some potential here.

45:02Carly Rae Jepsen:and I was really nervous about it. I was like, I fluctuated. I was excited and then I was nervous and then I think the night before the release I called him and I was like, I want to bail. I don't want to do it. It's a bad idea. And he was like, can you just trust me? It's a B-sides. People understand that it's like allowed to be a bit more experimental or songs that you're like a little less sure of and I'm really glad that he talked me into it because it became this place where now I look forward to it where it's like, oh, the B-sides is where I go to play. It's like the time where I'm getting a little weirder and a little bit more experimental.

45:33Carly Rae Jepsen:And so with Dedicated, I knew I was going to make one. With The Loneliest and Loveliest Time, I kind of knew that was going to happen. And with this project, I would say that the whole thing is like a mix of just me playing and being weird. So it's like not really like a distinguishing A and B sides. They're both kind of equally important to me, and I wanted to show it all at once because I showed up with that kind of intention. Yeah. Yeah. Do you want to, I know this is a stupid question, but do you want to make music forever? I can't imagine a world where I don't create music in a part of my life, but I, I don't know.

46:09Carly Rae Jepsen:I think that it depends. I don't want to force it. I think what's been really lucky so far is, um, it kind of just visits me in my day. Like I'll be playing with my son in the morning and like a melody will come and I like need to like record it. And I like hope that I can like look at it later when I have time. Or, um, a lot of times there's certain people who I just have that sort of spark with and on this project, like Nate Seifert and Kyle Shearer were two of those people where we'd get in a room and it was really effortless. And like we'd leave and we'd have like a week of that. And we're like, we wrote like five songs for the album in five days.

46:41Carly Rae Jepsen:And it was just it was easy and they were all very different. And I think when I have those connections and friendships, it would be hard to ever want to give it up because it really feels like magic. It's like the part of life that feels quite like my favorite, my favorite part of it. And so, yeah, I can't imagine not. But I don't know that it always would be something that I would share in such a big way. Right now feels like a really fun time to share because it's been a really prolific season. But we'll see. Yeah. Do you remember a studio session that you felt like just was like one of your favorite of all time?

47:17Like one of your favorite memories in the studio?

47:22Carly Rae Jepsen:well it's funny that you talk about runaway with me because that was a really a special day um and it was i was meeting like noonie who became like a lifelong friend and matthias and robin we worked together on a few other things and so that was really special but i would say for like this day and night album um what was really cool was getting to work on some of the songs with my partner um and and it's a really strange thing to write with your partner because you have like no filters so in other spaces where you would be like like someone would say an idea and maybe you don't like it and you'd be like yeah okay like that's interesting let's like let's try it and then you like try it and then you kind of try something else and you like gently get to like a place where you're happy again and you're like oh okay you know uh sorry with your partner you're just like i hate that so much i hate it so and you just like cut straight And you move on fast, and it's, like, cutthroat and real and, like, sexy and fun.

48:18Carly Rae Jepsen:And, like, I don't know. I think him and I got to a place where, like, we know each other really, really well. And we can write in a really honest way and actually have learned to carve out space for what each other does. So I know what he does, and he knows what I do, and we kind of just, like, move around each other a little bit. Just a Little Walk on the Moon is a good example of a song that we wrote together in the Philippines, actually, in our hotel room. And I think I was in the bath and he was like in the living room and I was like singing it to him and he was playing it on the guitar. And like I just I'm like I would have never thought that I wanted to date another musician.

48:51Carly Rae Jepsen:But now that I'm like married to one, I'm like, it's the best. Like it it just allows for music to kind of throw like braid its way through our lives in a really natural way. And I think him and Tavish Crow, like I talked about, are two of my like soulmate writers. And it's it's such a delight to be married to one of them. That's so beautiful. how did you guys meet we met we were set up on a session oh no yeah yeah we were set up on a session and um and it was it was an interesting little meet cute actually i thought he was like a dance producer at first but it turns out no he was he was not he was i actually yeah it took me a second we both had kind of um a friendship brewing at the very beginning uh we were okay So you were friends first.

49:40Carly Rae Jepsen:We were friends for like a year first. Fuck. Okay. Yeah. I think I need to do that with my crush. But that's how I've always actually landed on relationships. Fun fact is I will generally like watch them from a friendship distance for a year until I decide and realize that we might be in love. But it's like a nice vetting system because you get to know them a bit more honestly when they're not presenting as a date and they're just being your friend. Yeah. And I think that that's like a really cool way to observe somebody. Yeah. I don't know. No, it's patience, which I don't have. Yeah. Well, I mean, I have a lot of fear.

50:17Carly Rae Jepsen:So that's where my tactic comes from. I'm scared to step into something until I know it's a good idea. Are you scared? Like, do you have like rejection sensitivity? Are you like sensitive to rejection? Not that. I would very happily get in a relationship for a wild experience, knowing that it will be a fun time and a couple good songs. But I think that that's also maturity of realizing that that burns out pretty fast. I think it's more that I'm careful who I let into my circle. And I want to make sure that it's good people even if it's for a brief encounter. Yeah. Are you ready to do the tell me what's wrong?

50:53Carly Rae Jepsen:I'm excited. You'll get it. I can't wait. My boyfriend insisted on wearing shorts to my friend's wedding. He wouldn't budge either because of the heat wave. and he got word that some of the other men were doing it too. I'm so embarrassed and cannot get the image out of my head. Help. I don't know. I think it's kind of sweet. But maybe I'm just like romanticizing it. But like I think it's sweet to be embarrassed of your partner sometimes. Okay. Like because if they're so themselves. Am I wrong? I like it. It's a funny. Yeah. I don't know if I agree. Really? I think it's sweet that he was so embarrassed saying it's so dorky.

51:32Well, I guess because then that means they care. No, my thing is just like, oh, so embarrassing, but like, I love him.

51:39Carly Rae Jepsen:Yeah, okay. If you land with that, if you circle back with so embarrassed, but I love you, great. Yeah, and also if other people are wearing shorts, then it's fine. If other people are wearing shorts, then whatever. Then who cares? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I got into business with my close friend, and it's a disaster. He is unorganized, does not hit deadlines, and leaves the majority of the work up to me. However, he has great ideas and we build this together. I don't know how to proceed. I just wish I hadn't mixed business with friendship. Any advice? Ooh, that's tricky. I think accept the guy's not going to change and figure out what he's good at and give him more of those jobs.

52:20Carly Rae Jepsen:And if you need to bring in a third party because you feel overwhelmed by carrying the weight of the rest, then bring in a third so that it doesn't land all on you. Was it hard for, oh, I guess no I guess you and your partner initially met via work We did So it's much different We did, but he also is a very hard worker So it's good, you know But also, yeah, people, do you believe that people change? If they want to, but not if you want them to I think people are very capable of change But it has to come from them Now I'm realizing that I think people can I think it's the whole point of life I think that we're on a journey to change and grow.

52:59Carly Rae Jepsen:And hopefully, if we're doing it right, get better. Right. I was thinking about another guy I work with while being intimate with my boyfriend of three years. I literally feel like the worst person ever. It only happened once before this, but what do I do? I'm so gross, like, I'd be sick if roles were reversed. Help. They were just thinking about them? Yeah. Oh, give yourself a break. Right? You're a human being. You're thinking about a person. You're allowed to do that? Yeah. I feel like people are much harsher on themselves these days than they used to be. I mean, I would say I agree if that's how everyone's feeling.

53:36Carly Rae Jepsen:You're allowed to have a little fantasy here and there. No, no. Yeah. What do you think, Manny? I always like to say, well, how do I phrase this? I don't know. Anytime I'm in love with someone else, like I have a huge crush. I just saw a movie last night. I was in love with the lead. Literally texted him, I'm in love with this person. What movie? Finding Emily. Okay. I'm in love with a lead. Okay. I went home to visit my parents. I was the last child to leave the house. And since I've been here, they've low-key, they've been low-key slipping up, saying their lives are so great. And that they feel so refreshed lately.

54:13It's so clear that they needed me the fuck out of there. My feelings are really hurt by this. I thought we all got along great. I think that's amazing.

54:21Carly Rae Jepsen:I mean, explain more. So. So they were the last child to leave the house, and now their parents are empty nesters, and the parents are, like, loving their lives. Okay. And now this kid is feeling bad that their parents are enjoying their life. But I think that's the point of life. Well, I would say that it's pretty amazing that the parents are, like, having this new lease on life, and you should be happy for them. I would say it also hurts a lot more to see your parents upset that you've gone and not have a fulfilled life without you. Is that what happened for you? Were your parents, did they mourn your leaving?

54:55My dad calls me like 10 times a day. I love him very much. But I think he misses.

55:00Carly Rae Jepsen:He needs to move on. I think he misses having me home. That's very sweet, though. It's very sweet, but it's very sad. I wish that he was like, this is the best thing ever. I would prefer my parents to be like, we are so happy that you're out of the house. I think that would make me feel good because I'd want to see them happy. You want to see them having a hobby. Yeah. A new lease on life. Yeah, I think my mom is happy. She's always like traveling, like doing whatever. But like my dad is definitely like Mrs. Having Me Home. I think that's very sweet though. Yeah. I feel like, I mean, that should give you a little confidence first.

55:35People are achieving so many things at such a young age. What am I doing wrong? Why did it become something negative to do the traditional way of life, you know, like school, then job, etc.? Oh, I don't know.

55:47Carly Rae Jepsen:I think that the feeling I feel there is just don't compare. I think social media. Keep your eye on the prize. There's no wrong way at it. And it's very, yeah, social media does allow that. Even my, I think everyone is able to succumb to the comparison thing. Like my mother makes jewelry. And every once in a while she'd be like, I saw this other woman was wearing really funky hats when she posted. And I was like, the hats aren't how, first of all, why are we talking about another woman's hats? Like just do your thing. I think that's like the way to live a good life, to make good art is just kind of stick to the path that feels like yours and don't worry about the outside noise what other people are doing did you ever find yourself comparing yourself to other acts when you first came out to the scene I felt it was really important to define what it was that I was contributing so I thought a lot about like who am I what am I doing what what does that mean in terms of what clothes I wear and how I present myself and um I think I thought about it too hard where I was just sort of more open and sponging to anybody else who might have an idea.

56:55Carly Rae Jepsen:So I think when I was 26 and first came to Los Angeles and everyone was like, we think it's like this in the market. I'm like, okay, well, if you've got an idea, because I don't yet. But once I started to realize that no one was going to have a better idea of what works for me rather than me, I kind of took the reins back on that. But I wasn't looking like, oh, that girl's doing this and I should copy her. I was very actually uninterested in doing anything that felt like copycatting to me. that felt like if I didn't know what to do, I knew I didn't want to do that. And what made you from after comedy maybe want to go back to your theater roots?

57:35Carly Rae Jepsen:It sounds like I was smart and had a strategy. It wasn't like that. I just got a phone call and I just said yes. Like it was just like, yes, that sounds like relief right now. Yes, that sounds like the right choice. And sometimes I feel like the best decisions that I've made have been ones where I don't overthink it too much. And I just sort of try it on and feel it and jump. Yeah. And I remember getting, I got the offer while I was on a plane. And I thought, I want to do this. And I feel really happy that I took that left turn. It's like actually brought so much, you know, even with 10 things now.

58:08Carly Rae Jepsen:I'm like, I don't think 10 things would have happened had I not said yes to Cinderella back then, you know. Oh, I'm so excited to see 10 things. That's going to be amazing. It's wild. I mean, like you and Lena Dunham together, it just feels like pure magic. Thank you. Did you watch Girls? Are you kidding me? I like rewatched it recently after her book came out because I was like kind of watching in tandem with reading and God, it's just like brilliant. That book is really, really incredible. Yeah. I mean, she's an incredible woman. It's, yeah. I think it is my, I think it's time that I rewatch Girls again.

58:40I rewatched it when I was like 23, fresh out of college. and I think I need to watch it again with new eyes.

58:45Carly Rae Jepsen:So, so, so good. Yeah. Yeah. So good. So good. My boyfriend uses Shazam in public constantly and I've gotten the ick. I use Shazam every day. I used Shazam yesterday. I know this is silly, but it's like every time we're at the mall and it's playing the most generic music ever, he pulls out his phone, standing in the middle of everyone walking around him, holding it to the sky. Is this valid? No. Yeah. I think if you're getting the ick over something like that, there's deeper issues going on. Thousand percent. Yeah. I was watching Pen15 yesterday and there was like a needle drop at the end and I shazammed it.

59:16And it's my favorite thing in the world to shazam a song that I love and be like, oh, this is my new favorite song.

59:20Carly Rae Jepsen:That's an, we were talking about festivals earlier, but that's a beautiful way to discover music. I think. Yeah. Agreed. Yeah. Also like, it's, he's, that is a, that is a strange, that's one of the strangest ics I've ever heard. It's a really strange one. Yeah. Sorry to call you out, whoever you are. Before we end. Yes. It is Manny's birthday. Oh my goodness. Happy birthday, girl. Hey. And I was just wondering, we have a cupcake, if you could sing happy birthday to her. Only if we all do it together. Of course. Okay. But you're her favorite artist, and this would be her dream come true. Louise, do you have the cupcake?

59:55Carly Rae Jepsen:Are we starting? Happy birthday to you. Happy birthday to you. Happy birthday, dear Manny. Happy birthday to you Make a wish Yay Happy birthday This is like the best birthday ever actually This is one of the best moments of my life Oh, Minnie Sweet I love you I love you too I love you so much I love you Aww Amazing, amazing. Well. What are your birthday plans tonight? I'm getting a massage. Oh, good. And then I'm just hanging out with my family and getting Thai food. Well, Carly Rae, what did we learn today? We learned that shazamine is controversial. Apparently so. Controversial. I said that.

1:00:57Carly Rae Jepsen:Why is that a hard word? Controversial. My brain is mush at this point. What else did we learn? We learned it's Manny's birthday. We learned that it's Manny's birthday. and we learned that your new album, Day and Night, is out now. It's out now. It's out now. And it is your eighth studio album. We're counting the B-sides. We're counting the B-sides. Bye, Pussies.