Session 82: Benny Blanco

10 Jul 2025 · 1 h 27 min · 38 chapters

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In short

Benny Blanco appears on Therapist (host Jake Shane) for a wide-ranging conversation mixing Benny’s music career, how he got famous, his OCD/tics and relationship views, pop-culture nostalgia, and childhood internet/porn stories. The episode also includes Benny previewing his album Puss in Poems and joking about making a song together, plus a sponsor segment for Cozy Earth.

Guest backgrounds

Benny Blanco is a major music producer/songwriter with credits on many popular songs; he started posting heavily on TikTok in 2022 (sometimes 17 times/day) and later launched his podcast Therapist about a year prior, initially with friends and then guests like Tate McRae and Renée Rapp. Jake Shane is a comedian/podcaster who hosts Therapist and is on tour.

Key claims

Benny says his TikTok skits helped “bring him essentially here,” and that he’s never been in a relationship (only up to three dates). He describes significant OCD behaviors (face/touching, compulsive movements, mirror/smiling rituals, playlist adding/removing, superstition-like past rules) and says he’s not on meds. He claims he worked with Billie Eilish when she was about 14, but the song never released.

Notable examples

Benny cites grilled octopus reviews on TikTok, USC and New York upbringing, his “Puss in Poems” track “Postmates” (about a stolen delivery), and childhood dial-up/porn “viruses” and pop-ups. He also mentions working with Britney Spears and watching Wizards with a partner.

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Chapters

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The Lemonati and 7up's Challenge

0:00 to 0:40

Explore the humorous conspiracy around lemon and lime in pop culture.

“For decades, a shadowy organization called the Lemonati has kept lemon on top and lime in the shadows.”

A Nervous Start

1:24 to 2:20

Jake and Benny share their initial nerves before diving into conversation.

“I'm always, I'm like, I'm squeezing something.”

The Octopus Review Journey

2:20 to 3:24

Benny discusses his unique content reviewing grilled octopus.

“Just seeing your mouth move and you walk and you talk is, like, the cutest thing in the world.”

Viral Success During COVID

3:24 to 4:11

Benny shares how he gained fame and transitioned during the pandemic.

“Yeah, I do, but I mean, I definitely eat it a lot less than I used to.”

The Therapist Podcast Origin

4:11 to 5:38

Benny talks about the beginnings of his podcast and early guests.

“So you're posing 17 times a day like a psycho.”

The Puss University Backstory

5:38 to 6:36

Benny reveals the origins of his Puss University merch venture.

“But what did you think you were coming to today?”

Growing Up and Music Origins

6:36 to 7:30

Discussion about Benny and Jake's backgrounds and childhood influences.

“Are we like, has anyone ever asked you this stuff on air?”

Fame Across the Years

7:30 to 9:24

Benny reminisces about his music achievements over the years.

“Okay, do you want me to show you how old I am?”

OCD and Quirks

9:24 to 11:28

A candid exchange on OCD experiences and personal quirks.

“I would do it again and again and again.”

Dating and Relationships

11:28 to 14:00

Benny and Jake discuss their dating lives and relationship dynamics.

“I do it like 400 times a day, maybe more.”
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Dating Dynamics and Preferences

14:00 to 15:00

The hosts discuss their dating lives, preferences, and the reasons behind them.

“When you go to like a person's thing and like the cap is like off, things are like this in the show.”

Finding Your 'Person'

15:00 to 17:34

The conversation shifts to the desires for meaningful relationships and the advice to make a list of qualities to look for.

“Like, it took me so long to really figure out my shit.”

The Pressure of Life After 30

17:34 to 21:16

They explore societal pressures and expectations that come with age, especially turning 30.

“It's like nothing matters until you're like – nobody cares about what you're doing in your life until you're like 30.”

Navigating Fame and Public Perception

21:16 to 22:38

Discussion around fame, public perception, and the challenges that come with being in the spotlight.

“like the actual biggest song in the world, and I'm like, oh, I'm never gonna be able to do this again.”

Early Days with Billie Eilish

22:38 to 28:00

The hosts recount their early experiences working with Billie Eilish and Phineas, showcasing their rise in the music industry.

“And she's like, that's what it said today on TV.”

Benny's Early Concert Experiences

28:00 to 29:25

Benny shares memories of attending early concerts and the artists’ growth.

“And then literally a week or so later, we went to their first concert ever at, I think it was at The Echo or something.”

Self-Reflection and Generosity

29:25 to 31:06

A conversation about personal relationship attributes and self-awareness.

“Are you just, like, a piece of shit in a relationship?”

Career Highlights and Songwriting

31:06 to 33:09

Benny discusses his career beginnings and the surprise of hearing his own songs.

“Brooklyn Heights, Bed-Stuy, Williamsburg, Chelsea, West Village, everywhere.”

Album Insights and Collaborations

33:09 to 36:52

Benny reveals details about his album 'Puss in Poems' and potential collaborations.

“Pharmacist, The Hangover Song, Postmates, JetBlue, Therapist Theme Song.”

Dreams and Acting Aspirations

36:52 to 39:47

A discussion about dreams, aspirations in acting, and the experience of fame.

“But it has to be like a niche situation to make it fun.”

Nostalgia for Pre-Social Media Days

39:47 to 42:12

A nostalgic look at communication and friendships before social media.

“So, like, I know when they've left their house to come meet me.”

Childhood Experiences with Dial-Up Internet and Porn

43:08 to 48:50

A humorous discussion on the challenges of accessing adult content as kids.

“If I was on the computer, and my mother picked up the phone, it would kick me off the computer because they shared the same thing.”

The Evolution of Social Media and Fame

48:50 to 51:59

Exploration of how social media platforms like MySpace and TikTok shaped careers.

“And sometimes it would be like porn and you'd be like, yes.”

Personal Care and Grooming Trends

51:59 to 55:44

A candid conversation about grooming practices and experiences.

“I woke up and my bed vibrates to wake me up.”

The Joys of Advanced Toilet Technology

55:44 to 56:00

A light-hearted look at the benefits of modern toilet features.

“Like, it's like you're – it's almost like too – like, okay.”

Exploring Personal Hygiene Preferences

56:00 to 57:40

Learn about humorous and candid discussions on personal hygiene and experiences.

“But then you just have to take care of yourself down there to make sure it doesn't end up like that.”

Uncomfortable Doctor Visits

57:40 to 59:10

Hear a funny and awkward recount of an uncomfortable doctor's visit and its implications.

“Or I think she was, like, the doctor's assistant.”

Intimacy Issues and Body Confidence

59:10 to 1:01:10

Discuss the challenges of intimacy and body confidence in relationships.

“Do you get nervous like going for the kiss?”

Life on Tour and Show Dynamics

1:01:10 to 1:04:00

Get insights into the life of touring performers and the dynamics of their shows.

“Yeah, I go back on tour in a few weeks if you want to pop out.”

Summer Plans and Relationship Updates

1:04:00 to 1:09:10

Listen as they discuss upcoming summer plans and relationship developments.

“It's so, it's usually, I used to think like, oh yeah, like, it's supposed to be hard.”

Advice Segment: Friend Troubles

1:09:10 to 1:10:02

Engage in an advice segment where listeners share friendship dilemmas and receive guidance.

“Now his friends are blaming me for the situation and even booed me last night because they broke up.”

Navigating Toxic Friendships

1:10:02 to 1:11:56

Discussing how to handle challenging friendships and resentment.

“I'm going to be in charge of the next one.”

Performance Anxiety and Confidence

1:11:56 to 1:14:12

Addressing concerns about performance issues and boosting confidence.

“But, you know, yeah, obviously he's such a liar.”

The Emotional Toll of Unrequited Love

1:14:12 to 1:16:26

Exploring feelings of heartbreak and the importance of honesty with friends.

“Like, you're going to, like, nobody's going to remember your failures, though.”

Culinary Preferences and Cooking Skills

1:16:26 to 1:19:08

Discussing favorite foods, cooking styles, and restaurant recommendations.

“Because I think people saw it on Entourage and were like, Really?”

Dealing with Unexpected Consequences

1:19:08 to 1:24:00

Examining the emotional fallout from a hookup with a married man.

“So I love like, you know, Marisco Jalisco.”

Navigating Unexpected Pregnancies

1:24:00 to 1:25:40

Explore the complexities and emotions surrounding unexpected news and relationships.

“He's 23 and now I just took a pregnancy test and it was positive.”

Reflections on Love and Self-Discovery

1:25:40 to 1:26:30

Discussing personal growth, love, and self-awareness in relationships.

“Okay, well, that was our last Tell Me What's Wrong.”
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Transcript

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0:00For decades, a shadowy organization called the Lemonati has kept lemon on top and lime in the shadows. Look around, lemon forward sodas, even lemon forward songs. We ran the tracks, slowed them down, reversed them, and squeezed out the truth.

0:19That's lemon propaganda right there. But now, 7up is fighting back with their new lime lemon soda. Join the 7up rising. Flip the sip.

0:39Hi Pussies! Welcome back to Therapist. Tonight we have on someone who, quite frankly, doesn't need much of an introduction, Benny Blanco. He has made some of your favorite songs you've ever heard, including mine. He honestly is a real generational talent when it comes to producing music and I'm really lucky that I got to talk to him. He's also hysterical and was a great, great time to hang out with and I'm really excited for you guys to hear the episode and get to know him more if you don't know him already, which I'm honestly sure you do. This is my last week of tour right now. If I'm coming to a city near you, go to passthatpuss.com, click live with Jake Shane and just a minute tell me what's wrong, go to passthatpuss.com and click tell me what's wrong.

1:21Leave a name and number if you're feeling fancy. Enjoy the episode. I love you pussies. are you excited i'm excited i'm excited because i know like so i know like so many little things that that i have no idea about so it's gonna be very fun what do you know about so far we're gonna you'll see okay are you ready are you nervous honest to god i feel like you're reading my mind because i was really nervous are we on is this real yeah is it okay we're live i guess I'm kind of nervous. Yeah. Is that why you're going? Yeah, I think so. I'm always, I'm like, I'm squeezing something. Maybe I'll squeeze my Pissandra.

1:58Okay. Who's Pissandra? Her. Hi. Hi. Okay, we're on. Okay, we're on. You said you had questions for me, so I'm not mad about that. Who are you? Well, my name is Jake. Okay. I just know, here's what I know. I know that you're hilarious. I know that, like, I fell in love with just seeing you. Just seeing your mouth move and you walk and you talk is, like, the cutest thing in the world. Like, you're, like, you might be the cutest person in the world. Really? Yeah, yeah, you're very cute. Thank you. You're very cute. Thank you. You're even cuter in person. No, really? Somebody told me I was a catfish the other day.

2:37No, no, no. That person's a piece of shit. Oh, thank you. That person's a piece of shit. Do we like, I like how, it's like a thick mic. It's thick, huh? Yeah, yeah, it's like, whoo. Okay. So I know that And I know that there's something About like I was like I was asking my friend I was like hey how did this guy get big And they were like oh This thing about like pussies Like something about an octopus Okay so I don't know I used to review Well I still do But I would review grilled octopus What? Yes You would just review grilled octopus Yes and I would eat it So like okay Like if you were sitting across from me at dinner Like I would go So, hi, pussies, and you would go, hi, Jake, and then we'd go, tense up, and I would eat the octopus, and then I'd review it out of eight because they have eight tentacles.

3:25Do you love octopus? Yeah, I do, but I mean, I definitely eat it a lot less than I used to. How did you decide that you wanted to review octopus? Like, I was really bored and high one day, and it just kind of came to me. What year was this? 2022. Oh, so, COVID. You were COVID. You got famous in COVID. It was COVID. Well, no, it was 2028 like all like it all took off 2022 2023. OK, but you were still you're a covid baby. I am a baby. OK, so so you did that. And then where did that evolve to? I just need like the two minute version before I before we get wet. OK, OK. So I started like I started posting on TikTok and I sometimes would post like 17 times a day.

4:10OK. And kind of creepy. No, it was weird. You were eating puss 17 times a day Well no like I would have my friend Brett drive me to get Octopus all throughout the city of Los Angeles Who has the best first of all Angelini Oh I love their octopus it's insane Over the arugula Yes with the lemon Don't play with Angelini Do you cook octopus ever I love cooking octopus Yeah I want to cook it for you and you rate it Of course How long have you cooked for Oh, wow. Will you be my best friend? Yes, Benny. Stop. Okay, okay, okay. Okay. So go back. Okay. So you're posing 17 times a day like a psycho. Yes.

4:51And then I started doing these, like, skits. Like, they were, like, improv-y skits. And, like, that really just took me off. People liked it? People loved them for, like, and it was, like. For, like, two months. They loved it. Well, I think I had to, like, dial down on them a little bit. Okay. So I wouldn't, like, overplay the bit. Okay. But, like, that's what brought me essentially here. Okay. And then when did you start a podcast? A year ago? Okay, a year ago. A little over a year ago. And what were you doing? Were you always interviewing people like me? Like, what were you doing? I don't even know what I am.

5:21Were you always, like, interviewing people? Like, yeah. Like, well, it started with my best friends, and then I had Tate McCray on, and then I had Renee Rapp on, and that kind of, like, opened up the floodgates for other people to come on. Okay. So you were just, like, doing it with your friends at first? Okay, cool. And then it just became Therapist. Okay, and where are you from? New York. Wait, it's called Therapist? Benny. I don't know anything. I know nothing. I live under a full rock. Understood. But what did you think you were coming to today? I just saw you were great. And then I think for a while, a few people were trying to put us together.

5:54Uh-huh. And they, like, wanted us to do stuff and blah, blah, blah. And then we got thrown on a text together. Yes, yes. And then I— I was super gagged and excited. I'm excited. I'm still excited. Me too. And then, yeah, it just happened. And I was like, I just go with my gut. I always go with my gut. And I was like, this guy seems so funny and cute, and I want to see what he's about. So Thera Puss is amazing, and that says Puss University. Yes. So Puss University started way before everything took off on TikTok, and I had merch that said Puss University. Who were you selling the merch to, though?

6:29You weren't even on TikTok. I'm telling you. I sold it to people around my college. Okay. What college did you go to? USC. Okay. Where are you from? New York. Oh, you're from New York? I thought you were from L.A. or something. No, where are you from? Virginia. But both my parents are from New York. Where in New York? Brooklyn, Queens. My mom's from Brooklyn. Where are you from? Washington Heights. Okay, you're from Washington Heights. Yeah. And then, how'd you get to L.A.? Well, I was born in L.A. Is this so boring? Are we like, has anyone ever asked you this stuff on air? I don't, have they, Nolan?

7:00Not this in depth. Okay, okay, we'll get over it real quick. No, I'm like happy to, I love talking about myself. Yeah, duh. Yeah, like, you know. But I was going to tell you that when I came back to L.A. for USC, the first song that came on the radio was East Side, and that became my freshman year song. Really? Yes, because it reminded me of the East Coast. How old are you? Guess. 27. Cool. So I'm 25. Oh. How old are you? 37. Really? Yeah, I'm old as mold. You? Okay, do you want me to show you how old I am? Yeah. Okay, in 2008, how old were you? Eight. Okay, I had, like, number one songs on the radio when you were eight years old.

7:48Like, what songs? Like, okay, you want me to give you your summer of 2008, your summer of 2009, your summer of 2010? Go. Okay. Katy Perry, I Kissed a Girl. Katy Perry, Hot and Cold. Katy Perry California Girls, Katy Perry Teenage Dream, Kesha TikTok, Kesha Your Love Is My Drug, Kesha We Are Who We Are, Kesha Blow, Brittany Spears Circus. You did circus? Yes. I love circus. Okay, wait. We're just going through those few years. Okay, okay. We have, we have, what else do we have in that era? Oh, we have like all the Maroon 5 stuff. Then we have, oh, then we have like Rihanna, Diamonds, all that stuff.

8:43That was a little late. That was 2011. Did you do Moves Like Jagger? I did. Okay, so I have really bad OCD. And one time I heard that song and I had really bad luck for the rest of the day. I haven't listened to it since. Yeah, I did that to you. You know, I have, do you know I have insane OCD? What's your OCD? Oh my God, it's insane. Mine's really bad too. Okay, tell me some of your stuff and I'll tell you some of mine. Mine are insane. I also have tics too, do you? A little, yeah. I used to cluck. Okay, what's cluck? Like I would count to two and when I would count to two, like I would have to like cluck my mouth.

9:14Show me. I can't. You'll start doing it again? Yeah. Okay, don't do it, don't do it. Should I? You can. Let me see. Okay, so like this is like exposure therapy. Yeah, yeah, I like it. So I would go like one, two. Oh, that one's not bad. I thought you were going to be like. No, like. I would do it again and again and again. And then I would look in the mirror 10 times before going to bed. I would have to smile. That's just because you're vain, though. That's not because you're listening. No, I know, but I would have to go like – and I would have to smile. I would have to end it on a smile. Of course.

9:43I used to not be able to add songs to a playlist. I would have to add, remove, add, remove, add, remove, add, remove four times. How would you get it on? Oh, after four you could do it. Yeah. Okay, what else? I used to pray every time I cursed. I'm Jewish, so that was really random. Okay, I used to pray. What type of prayer? I would go like, every time I cursed. What would you say? Like I would mumble. Like I would speak in tongue. Okay, okay. And then like I. I love just no Hebrew or anything. It was Christian. Like I would literally go Christian. That's fire. I love that. So you want to know some of mine?

10:14Yeah. Okay, okay. And I still have some of them. Uh-huh. So, okay. First we'll go to like my old ones that were insane. Okay. Like when I was a kid, I used to have this thing, kind of like yours, where I had to go like this. I had to go wait I used to do that yeah I had to do it in class and if I didn't do it my parents were gonna die like and I was like oh okay and I would be like and I would go like this I'd be like I'd be like fuck okay try to last 10 seconds and I'd be like 10 no I can't and I'd like and then like and then I would I would have this thing where for some reason I would have to go and we use it for Dave actually um for some reason I had this thing where I would always have to go like like all the time i have no idea why i don't do that one anymore but i still do a thing and you'll notice i do like two or three things that i still can't get rid of uh-huh like there's like four where i go like like a million times a day like i'm just going like this like i'm like uh-huh doing it like if you notice in this interview i'll do it a million times uh-huh then i have one where i go where i go i'm like i'm like i can't even do it you'll hear it yeah I'm like, I can't, it's like a little like fake cough and I have no idea.

11:28It's involuntary. I do it like 400 times a day, maybe more. Do people get annoyed? People used to get. They don't notice. People don't notice them until I tell them. Most of these like. Oh, okay. Well, everyone noticed my clucking. Yeah. Oh, really? Everyone was like, stop fucking clucking. Maybe people do. And now I'm just like. No, they would tell you. I have like a better job now. So like people don't care. and then I used to have one where, oh, I still have this one. I can't even do it. It's so hard for me to do but I do this thing when I walk where I'm like, and my arm, I have to stretch it out.

12:04I don't even know how to do it. I don't know how to do it. It's insane. Is it still superstitious? Do you still have to do it because bad things will happen? Not those. Those are involuntary. Oh, wow. They're fully involuntary and if I notice them, I can like stop it for a second, but they're kind of like involuntary. And like the nose stuff like this, like you'll see me do it like a million times. Literally when we're shooting shows or like videos and stuff, that's the hardest thing for me above the acting and everything is holding it back long enough for the takes. And then you have to go do it.

12:37Yeah, and then I do it immediately. Sometimes I do it in takes and they have to like, see? And they have to take it out. Like they have to like do another take. They're like, like Dave's like, Ben, he's like, Benny, you're like, you got to stop touching your face. No, but that's what makes you you. Yeah. And I can do it like for a little, like when I go up and I like do like an inner, like if I do, like I can't stop if I'm in like a podcast because it would be like insane. Like I just have to do it. Like I'm going to do it right now. Like it's like, you'll see, I'm going to do it so much. And I get it.

13:12I get it. I used to touch things evenly. Like I used to. Oh my God. I have to like, like I'm better now. Like I had to be like living with like girlfriends as I got older. Like the old me would have stood up while we're talking, just not say it, and turn your Celsius towards me. Like that's what I would have done. Like, yeah, and now it's like off and it's not centered. Like in the thing. And that's what I would have done. But now I don't have that anymore. Right. Are you on meds? No. I just like. You just got rid of it. I got rid of like all the things that are really annoying to another person.

13:45Like I got rid of like all of those things because I was like, I can't live like this. Like, and I still do little things like in my, if you go into my like shower, like everything is facing forward and stuff. Totally. I think that's insane. Regardless of OCD, I think that's insane. When you go to like a person's thing and like the cap is like off, things are like this in the show. No, I agree. Like that's crazy, right? I agree. I agree. That's not even OCD. You're like a serial killer. No, I agree. Are yours like that? Yeah, you're fucking insane. That's. What's her name again? Manny. Manny. Are you dating anyone now?

14:18No. Manny's not dating anyone, and I think that's the reason why. I'm almost positive that might be the reason. Are you dating someone? No. Do you keep them straight? Very, very straight. Oh, okay. I don't know. Maybe you're just effective. Do you keep yours straight? Are you dating anyone? I'm seeing multiple people. Oh, you're like, cool. No, I'm just having my summer. Okay, okay. You're seeing multiple people. And then when do you hone in on someone? Well, there's one that actually likes me, and then there's one that literally wants nothing to do with me. Oh, most of them hate you, and you like the ones kind of that hate you more.

14:52Yes. Yeah, of course, duh. I can't control it. No, it's because you're so young. Okay. It is. Like, you start to figure out your shit. Like, later in life, you really figure out your shit. Like, it took me so long to really figure out my shit. How, like, when did you feel like you figured out your shit? When I was, like, 34. What? Yeah, like 34 is when I really - Was there like an event that caused you to like - I literally was sitting in my house and I was like, I can't be like one of these celebrities that's like 40 or 50 and like at the club. Like, that's crazy. I was literally thinking that.

15:32I was like, I can't be one of them. And we all know, like in your head, they just popped into your head. Like, you know, three of them off the top of your head. Should we one, two, three and bleep that? Yeah. One, two, three. Okay. Okay, I can do three more, but I'm not even going to do it. Should we one more? I don't know if we're going to do it, so I don't want to fuck it up. Do you think we will? I think we will. Is it a musician? No. Oh, who was your – I think I know who your second one is. One, two, three. That's crazy. That's crazy. That's insane. I knew it. I don't want to go for a third.

16:03I don't want to go for a third. I'm happy with two. Wow. Are we like siblings? We're like simpatico. That was crazy. I knew we would get it. I knew. Once you said musician, I was like, ooh. and then you said wait I think I know and I was like and there's two musicians I think you're thinking of but we're not even going to do it. I don't think I'm thinking of them. Okay I don't want to do it then. Okay. I don't want to do it. Please. Okay. That's insane. Yeah that was awesome. That's so cool. So I was like it was like a mixture of that and it was I always wanted to find like my person. I always wanted to find my person.

16:35I've always been like a relationship guy. And like obviously when I'm single I've had like my summer you know even if it's winter um and and i i was sitting there and i was like i want like my other half like i want to find like an equal and someone who like fucking inspires the shit out of me right and i remember i like talked to my therapist and i was like what do i do and he was like you got to make a list he's like you have to make a list a list yeah the first thing he said is he said you have to cut off every other person in your life there is no like dating around you're cutting everyone off what that you know is bad for you but how do you know if they're bad for you you know okay you know what's bad for you okay you know what's bad for you and you know what's right for you and you're thinking about what's bad for you but you don't want to cut it off yeah because you're 26 25 i'm seeing him tonight yeah you're 25 it doesn't matter nothing matters for the next 10 years right like nothing you do matters at all you can do anything you want what do you mean are you serious that's the best news i've ever heard yeah because it's It's like nothing matters until you're like – nobody cares about what you're doing in your life until you're like 30.

17:42When you're 30, they're like, hey, what are you doing? Like what? But when you're like 28 and you're like, yeah, you're like, I just want to like abandon it. And everyone's like, oh, yeah, you're 28. Cool. Okay. And then you're 29 and they're like, hey, you should like start thinking about it. And then you're 30 and they're like, whoa. Like honestly, 29th – 30th birthday, your life just changes and everyone's like, you're disgusting. What? Yeah, basically. Are you serious? I had someone sit here and tell me that the 30s are the best years of your life. No, they are the best years. But, like, you have to, like, pull your life together.

18:13But you have so much longer. Five years. I thought you were 27. You're 25. I can't believe you thought I was 27. I don't know. You're just very mature. Oh, thank you. Gotcha. Gotcha. Okay. So then I made a list, and I had all these things on my list. And they're the most simple, dumb things, but they're just true. Like, I needed someone. For me, it was, like, age appropriate. okay and I was like 30 and above no one lower got like no one like even if they're like a mature 28 year old no has to be 30 and above and that was like my hard thing uh-huh and then I wanted someone who was kind I know it's so crazy because it's so hard to find like you're like thinking about the bad one they're not even kind the bad one's not even kind to you right they're like they like give you one crumb of something nice you're like really yeah yeah like like okay kind caring like it's like you're just like barely caring I don't think mine knows my last name yeah they're just like never opening up a door for you or like being like no I wanted someone who like was interested in something like had their own thing I don't care if they like if they like fucking you know made carpets like I want them to be like this is all I do I make a carpet it every day and I care about it and I make zero dollars.

19:34I don't care what it is. I just wanted them to be interested and passionate about something in their life, like working towards a goal. Right. You know, not just like being like, you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I wanted someone, I wanted someone who woke up, like I wake up and I'm happy. Like I wake up happy. Fuck. I know. Do you wake up sad? I wake up angry. Tell me. Well, today I woke up, and I was so excited that you were coming, and I had a workout planned. And so I woke up really happy today. Okay. But, like, most of the time, in college, I used to wake up going like this every morning.

20:10Really? Every single morning. Why? I don't know. I was like, I can't believe I have to live another day. No. I know. But you're so cute. I know. Yeah, why? Why? Were you sad? No, I was just like, I, like, loved. Or were you just, like, being dramatic? It was like, oh, my God, I can't believe I have to, like, go through the motions of today. Yeah, you're, like, too big for life. No, it was just, like, I know I'm going to be anxious, and, like, I just can't be bothered. And how do you feel now? Are you, like, not now, but, like, in life now? Are you, like, falling into it a little more? A little.

20:42I have periods where I'm, like, I'm so with it. I'm so in it. And then I have periods where I'm, like, what the fuck do I do? Yeah, but everyone has that. Yeah. Just so you're aware, that never goes away. Okay, cool. Like, I wake up, and I'm, like, happy in the day. but like sometimes I'm just like, what am I doing? Like, why am I, what? I feel like you have such a clear cut. No, I know I have like a sense of self, but like every single person, like anybody who is lying if they're not saying that. Like, of course it's sometimes you're just like, like, I'll tell you this, every musician has this same thing where I'll have the biggest song in the world, like the actual biggest song in the world, and I'm like, oh, I'm never gonna be able to do this again.

21:21Like, this is never gonna happen again. Right. Like, it's never, I'll never, like, get another, like, song that people care about again. And it's always, like, when they're, like, celebrating how good you're doing. Right. Or, like, you win a Grammy and they're like, oh, that's never happening again. Right. Yeah, it's just, like. It's impending June. Dune. Yeah. Dune? Dune. Well, it's Dune. It's Dune. I've actually never seen that movie. Neither have I. Okay, okay. Do you want to watch together? Is it good? I've heard. It is good? The second one's good. Okay. I haven't seen, like, I'm like, I'm such a bad pop culture person.

21:55It's crazy because you're very involved in pop culture. I also never look at any interview I do, and I never look at any, like, photos I do or anything. Like, so, like, after we do this, if there, I don't even know if there's an approval process. But if there is, my manager looks at it, and then I say, hey, did I say anything stupid? And he might be like, yeah, maybe this thing. What do you think? And then I'll be like, oh, okay. I never look at it. The only time I'll ever see it is if my mom sends me a clip because my mother is TMZ. Really? Yeah, yeah. My mother's full TMZ. She's like, oh, my God.

22:32I didn't know you broke up with Selena and murdered 16 people. And I'm like, what? And she's like, that's what it said today on TV. And I'm like, what? She's a Jewish mom. My mother is full blown. And she says like whatever is the thing that could make you feel like the worst at the time. And then she's like, what, honey? And I'm like, she actually, she's like, she literally called me. And she's like, you know, every time I open people, there's another thing about you. And I don't know if it's true. I don't know if it's false. Because you don't talk to me. I talk to my mom so much. Really? And my mom, yeah, I talk to my mom so much.

23:13and she'll be like, we never talk. And I'm like, mom, I spoke to you 15 minutes ago. Right. Like if I went, if I like didn't speak to my mother for like a day and a half, there would be like actual like search parties. There would be like, like SWAT would be like breaking through the ceiling right now and just like grabbing me and taking me away. And like, I talked to like some of my friends and I'll be like, oh, you talked to your mom a lot? And they're like, yeah, yeah, we were talking. I'm like, oh, how often? They're like, oh, I talked to her like a month ago. I'm like, a month. A month, that's crazy.

23:42How often do you talk to your mom? Once every few days What about your dad? Every day Oh really? Well my dad texts me every single day Texts me every single night Good night, love you Oh really? Yeah Oh wow Or he'll text me, you good? I don't talk, you good? Yeah Can you give me my phone? I need to read you some of my texts with my dad Because sometimes I just don't respond Yeah, my dad's are My dad, me, I don't We don't text a lot Really? No, no, no Maybe once Bless you Once every few months or something Once, oh wow Yeah So like these are like some examples of texts with my dad. My mom could send me 300 texts in a row without me answering.

24:17And then the second I answer, there's no like, there's no like, where have you been? Like she just keeps going. My mom sends like articles and then. Today's show was great. Love you. You good? You okay? How come you're not answering? Because I was busy. I called him. Are you really busy? I just like I'm really bad at my phone. You're good at your phone. I'm so bad at my phone. Oh, okay. Nevermind. Just maybe with me. No, it just happened. What are you talking about? I just looked at the thing. I felt bad because I never answered you. Oh, okay. Well, that was the first text, and I thought you thought it was a fake number.

24:48I actually haven't saved your number. Let me do it right now. Okay. I saved your number really quick. I'm going to do it right now. Why don't you wear – this one's yours. Okay. I'm back. Have you ever been in a relationship? Never. Really? Never, and I talk about it at least once an episode. Why haven't you been in one? You know, I was actually speaking about this last night. I have never been on more than three dates with someone. When did you know you were gay? I was actually also thinking about that today when I was 10. But when were you, like, see, because, like, where we grew up, like, my friends who were gay, like, said they would, like, they were, like, trying to be straight and they would, like, watch porn.

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25:34But then they would be, like, wait, the part where, like, the dude is so tight. Yeah. And they wouldn't watch gay porn because they were like, that's like too crazy. Yeah, I graduated to gay porn. Oh, yeah. Who's your gay awakening? I think it was James from Big Time Rush. I don't know who they are. You didn't know who Big Time Rush was? No, I don't. But I don't think that's crazy. I've never even heard the name Big Time Rush. Really? No, have you? Yeah. Oh. It's like Nickelodeon. Oh, okay. But I didn't know who the Jonas Brothers were until Sucker.

26:05Are you kidding? Like I'd heard the name. I had never heard a Jonas Brothers song until Sucker. You didn't hear SOS? I'd never heard that song in my life. Year 3000? Don't know that song. Nothing. I'm older. But you're in music. Yeah, but I'm older than you. Like, that wasn't big. Like, I had never seen Selena's show until we started dating. And then we were - Wizards or Only Murders? Wizards. Got it. I'd never seen Wizards. I knew she was, like, a kid star, but I had never seen any of it. And we were going - She was, like, going to be on the reboot of it. and I was like, hey, can I see your show before we go to the reboot so I know what it is?

26:41And she was like, what? And she was like, I guess. And then we watched the first episode, and I was like, this is so cute. And then she was like, wait, let me show you just one more good scene. And she showed me one. It really is the best show ever. And she showed me a few good scenes, and I was like, okay, I get it. No, also the theme song is iconic. Yeah, of course. Well, you wouldn't. No, no, I know the theme song because that inspired Bad Guy by Billie Eilish. Did it really? Do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do. Yeah. Have you ever worked with Billie Eilish? I have. I worked with her when she was, like, legit, like, 14 years old or something.

27:17And did the song ever see the light of day? No, no, no. She, I, we have the same lawyer, or we did have the same lawyer or whatever. and he was like there's this kid Phineas who's really good and he and he works with his little sister and you know we rep them and we think like they could be something and then they had just signed they just signed to Interscope after that and then I was like oh I really like this song and and they hadn't ever played a concert or anything and they were like, oh, come over. And I invited them over to work at my house before anything. And then literally a week or so later, we went to their first concert ever at, I think it was at The Echo or something.

28:11And there was like 100 kids there and half of them were from the label. And then I went to her second, I think her second show was at, the El Rey. Uh-huh, yeah. And I went to that. I went to, like, her first, like, eight shows. And, yeah, and just saw it all happen from the beginning. That's insane. And they do, they don't need my help at all. They do, like, everything their own, and it's, like, fucking incredible. And they always do everything, just the two of them. Right. And it was fun to just work and see how they work. And, obviously, me and Phineas have made, like, a million songs for other people and stuff.

28:48And Phineas is incredible. Has he been on the pod? Yes Oh He's so sweet Yes he has been on the pod He's the best He's so funny He's awesome He's so funny Has Billy been on? No I wish Billy what are you doing? Probably touring Get on therapist I know the name now I know I have so many guys for you Wait do you really? So many It's insane Okay We'll sidebar this after But I'm, like, not going to, like, let go of this. No, no, no. I have, like, so many great guys. Are you, like, good in a relationship? You've never even been in a relationship. I've never been. I don't know. You don't even know. I don't even know.

29:27Are you just, like, a piece of shit in a relationship? Really? I mean, like, look, I really need to work on being less selfish. I was just going to say, are you selfish? Like, you wouldn't believe. Really? Peyton has, my best friend, my roommate Peyton, has told me the same thing over and over again for two weeks. I literally acted like yesterday was the first time I ever heard it. Really? I didn't know. What are your positives? attributes. Attributes. I would say that I'm clever. I would say that I am passionate. Okay. I think you're incredibly generous. Oh my God. I've never heard that before.

30:05I was literally just going to say that. That's two for two. I guess I'm generous. Just generous. Okay. So you're generous and you're clever. Okay. What are you looking for? someone. Just like anyone with a heartbeat. Kind of. And like, you know, I like them to have a steady job. Like a heartbeat and a throbbing wiener. Yeah. Okay. A top, like someone who will. Are you verse? No, I'm 5 '3", so. Okay, perfect. Yeah. Okay. So. We can work on that. Is he a top? You have to be verse, though, now. What? Is he verse, that guy that you showed me? Yeah. Fuck. Everyone is in, it's 2000, what year is it?

30:4525. 2025. 25. You know I never know the year ever. I'm always like one or two wrong. It's always like, is it 24? Is it 26? Have you ever gotten that wrong like publicly? I mean, no. I just get it wrong like once a year when you have to write it on like a physical or something. Did you go to college? No. Do you go to high school? Yeah. Like, yeah. Do you graduate high school? Yes. Okay. And then you just moved out to LA? No. I lived in New York for years. Uh-huh. Where? All over. Everywhere. Like where? Brooklyn Heights, Bed-Stuy, Williamsburg, Chelsea, West Village, everywhere. What was like the first person you worked with that was like successful?

31:29Like the first like person like that would be successful like in your world. Like the first successful. In your world. No, anything. Well like rappers. I know a lot about music. We are old rappers. But like the first like big pop thing that I ever worked on was Britney Spears. What? Do you know sometimes I am in a restaurant and I'm like, oh my God, this song's so good. And I shazam it and then it's my own song. How do you not know? Because I'm old and I've done, I can't remember anything. And I've done like hundreds of songs that have come out. That's crazy. Like I've done so many. I've been making songs for like 16 years.

32:05Yeah, I guess you're right. And I'm old. Do you remember every single podcast, every word you said on it? Well, not every word, but, like, I guess you have a point. Yeah. It's like if you're – let's say you're on your, like, 16th season of your podcast. Right. And someone's like, did you interview, like, Chelsea Handler? And you're like, I think so. Oh, I guess you're right. You know what I'm saying? Like, how many seasons is this? Two. It's my second season. It's your second season. Wow. And everyone's talking about the pod. Really? Yeah. Are you serious? Yeah. You know I make music. You do? Mm-hmm.

32:38I have an album. Is it good or no? It's called Puss in Poems. Okay. Is it terrible? No, it's really good. You know Alexander 23? Yeah. He produced it. Should we do a song for your album? Benny, don't play with me. Would it be crazy? Do you sing on it? Yeah. Is it good? It's fairly awesome. What do you guys think? Good? Should I play it? No, hold on, hold on. So I'm going to read you the track list. I'm going to read you the track list, and you can tell me which one you want to hear, okay? Okay. Okay, so it's called Puss in Poems, the album. Okay. Denim on denim. Pharmacist, The Hangover Song, Postmates, JetBlue, Therapist Theme Song.

33:20Oh, it's a tie between three. Denim on Denim, Postmates, and Therapist Theme Song. Okay, so Therapist Theme Song is the one I had, like, my least fingers in, because, like, that was Alexander's, like, deal right? Okay, let's not do that. So, it was, what were the Denim on Denim or? Or Postmates. Okay, so I'm going to, like, give you the rundown. Denim on Denim is, like, a country pop vibe about a bad date I went on. Play it. Okay. Is this your most successful song? Okay, but it's... Postmates is a ballad. Postmates is a ballad. Okay, I want to hear Denim on Denim. Postmates is really good.

33:57Okay,

34:08do you want to hear Postmates now? Yeah, play me Postmates.

34:39screaming this poem is for you to the one who stole my postmates was the bite worth the thrill to the one who stole my butt's taste was the rush worth the kill

35:09Okay. How much longer? You want to fast forward to it? Okay. I want you to get closer Said you made a wrong turn Right over, come over It's you that I earn Driver, oh driver Are you riding a bar? I'm a Postmates survivor Going hungry tonight To the one who stole my Postmates Was the bite worth the thrill To the one who stole my butt's taste Was the rush worth the kill

36:04Did you know it the whole time Before you lost the goddamn life Did you know it the whole time That for dinner you'd have Cry To the one who's So that's Postmates I like that one It's good, right? I like that we're seeing each other. I know. So do you hate my album? Oh, no. I actually really think it's very cute. Okay. Well, you know, I do have a Christmas song as well, even though I'm Jewish. You do? It's called Santa Can You Pay For Me? I forgot my card. I haven't released it yet, though. I'm finishing it up next week in the studio. With who? Alexander. Oh, he does exclusive all your music? Well, yeah.

36:55Would I be able to get involved? Yeah, like do you want to get involved? I'd like to get involved. Do you actually want to? I'm saying it Okay you around next week No But I'm around Just automatically around next week Okay so do you actually want to make a song Yeah Okay What would you want to write about OCD Oh I would love that Maybe Okay You falling in love Okay You being selfish Okay Are you just gonna say okay No, I agree. You agree. But it has to be like a niche situation to make it fun. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Of course. We'll figure it out. I mean, you're the master. I trust you. No, you're the master.

37:39Oh, okay. I guess. This is crazy. Okay, wait. So how many episodes have you done completely? Like totally? Like without that aren't out completely yet? No, no, no. Oh, are you like way ahead? How many ahead? Nine. That's it? Yeah. two and a half months what was like the closest where you were like did you get someone like last minute or something that's never oh the closest turnaround we've ever had is we did tate the first tate mccray episode she was my first guest ever we did it on a sunday and released it on the wednesday that's the closest turnaround we've ever had and did you never did you never even like how many did you start with like did you have like a bunch in the can when you started or no?

38:23No, like we would just do it and nine. Do you do them every week? Well, like the other week I recorded five. No, like how, like does one come out every week? Yeah, every Wednesday, 7 p.m. Pacific. How many, how long are you gonna do it for? Forever? I don't know. I want to turn it into a late night talk show. That's really cool. Do you think that's cool? Yeah. Yeah, what do you want to do? Like what are the things, what do you want to do? Give me your top things you want to do in life. I want to be an actor. Okay. Have you acted in things? Yes. So I'm in a few scenes in the newest season of Hacks.

38:57Okay. You are? Was that like, were you so stoked? Yeah, it was my favorite show. Okay. So I was super excited about that. I'm actually finding out about a role today that I'm probably not going to get. But you know, you live and you learn. But yeah, I want to be an actor. I want to be a late night host. So like when you were a kid, were you like, I just want to be famous? Yeah. Well, yes. Really? Like I knew I would watch a bunch of reality television and I was like, I need that. Like I need the paparazzi Like I need that No Yes I was like 10 I was like that's amazing I want that It's the worst I wouldn't know yet So hopefully I can also be like It's the worst But like I'm not there yet I hate that stuff Like that's like yeah No I know But you've been at it for so long Yeah That's crazy I know Cause when we grew up There wasn't There was Like there was There wasn't social media When I grew up Right Like when I grew up There was no social media myspace uh myspace that's how i got big really yeah but myspace didn't get big until i was like 13 ish 14 like youtube came out when i was a senior in high school like when when when you're friends like no one had cell phones no one like literally when i was a kid you would you'd be like it'd be like at school you'd be like yo meet me at the park and we're going to play basketball at like 7 p at like 6 p.m right and they'd be like okay cool and then you'd go at 6 p.m and then like sometimes your friend wouldn't be there and then you'd get home and you couldn't call them because it was too late to call a house phone so it would be like 8 30 or 9 you can't call it would be 9 and you can't call after 9 so then like you'd have to wait until the next day and then you'd see your friend the next day you'd be like dude why didn't you come and play basketball with me they were like oh my mom wouldn't let me like that and like Like, you would just have to.

40:47That's it? Yeah. You would just have to, like, wait. Oh, my God. I track my friends. Yeah. There's no tracking. So, like, I know when they've left their house to come meet me. There's no tracking.

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42:55Reminder, July 11th through 13th, go to CozyEarth.com and use code Jake for 45 % off your entire purchase. Thank you, Cozy Earth, for sponsoring tonight's episode. like when we used to have to like jerk off when we were a kid like like like like how did like how did you do it when you were a kid i would watch hbo sex scenes yeah we didn't have that google i don't even think google existed so how'd you jerk we had like we had like ask jeeves was like a thing what's that it's like pre-google it's crazy i did you look up porn on there? Like, okay, we had 56k dial up. Like, do you know what that is?

43:35I've heard of it. So literally, it would be like this. If I was on the computer, and my mother picked up the phone, it would kick me off the computer because they shared the same thing. How does that even work? You would do it through your, like, and it would be like this. This is how you got on. It would be like that's like how you would get on the internet and then you would like go to a website and it would be like a description it would be like woman naked and you'd be like and then you'd be like i guess i'll do that one and you like it was like woman naked forest and you'd like press a button and it would be like and it would be like this it would be like this okay it would go to another screen and it would take so long to go to that screen and then we'd get to that screen and it'd be like and it would be like you'd be like and you'd be like trying to figure out what it is and like finally it would be like a woman naked and she'd be like like you'd be like jerking off to like one woman just naked and you wouldn't even wait to the feet you'd be like fuck it and then like we i we used to print the pictures out and and then we'd print them out and and and And you'd like staple them until you like made like a – and are like – they were so grainy by the time they got out.

44:58You'd be like – like you'd have to like squint to see it. And then all of a sudden your computer would get – like this was back when like viruses existed. No, yeah. Do you know – I know about viruses because one time I looked up gay porn and my mom and my dad had to pull me in and be like, you've given our computer a gay porn virus. They were like – And are you gay? And you're like, what? No. Yes, and I think I had to – I think – and they were like, we're not mad about what you're looking at, but, like, we have a virus from gay porn. We're not mad at what you're looking at, but you're gay. Yeah, and you have a gay porn, and you gave us a gay porn virus.

45:33Yeah. Is it worse than a regular porn virus? Why did they have to say gay porn virus? They were just like – they were like, we know what you've been looking at. Did you ever get caught using dial-up to look at it inappropriate? Not really. Like we would like basically I had like a window of like 45 minutes before like my mother would get home. And I would actually full speed run home to jerk off. Like I would run full speed like into my house. And sometimes friends would come over because I was the house where like you could jerk off. Wait, what? So like we'd like print out pictures and people would like be in a different room just like jerking.

46:15I don't know. You're so horny when you're a kid. No, I understand. But you were like, let's – how would you plan that? I feel like jerking it off was such a private thing for me. Not for us. Oh, okay. And then you'd be like – I remember like back in the day, your computer could freeze, okay? And when it froze, it would like – like it didn't just like freeze where you're like, oh, just like escape all quit or whatever. Control all delete. Like it's not like that. your computer would actually freeze and it would just like freeze and you'd have to rip the cord out of the wall like when my parents were coming home i'd be like oh my god and i'd like rip it out of the thing and then like when you when like so you would get these pop-up viruses and it would be like boop and it would like pop up yeah i remember porn and it'd be like yeah boop boop and it'd be like jake's watching porn yeah and it's gay um and then like all of a sudden you'd get like a lot of them and it would be like do do do do do and they'll be like oh okay and then like there was my computer you like turn my computer on it would do like the turn on thing and then we go like this it'd go you couldn't even use the computer anymore and when i was when i was a kid um you couldn't just like fix it yourself you couldn't just like google how to fix it you used to have to call a man and a man would come over with a full briefcase and he'd be like i'm here to look at the computer and they'd have to pay a man like 50 bucks to come over on your parents back no no no my parents i'd be like mom something happened with the computer i don't know what it is and it would be like because it wouldn't say like porn it would just be like so many pot you couldn't even read them they were like yeah like it was like a machine gun of like of pop-ups and then like they'd come and i'd be like oh mom i'm really good with computers i'll go like talk to the guy and like i'd go to the guy he'd be like dude he'd be like there's so much porn on this computer.

48:11And I'd be like, I'll do whatever you say, man. Just like, please don't tell my parents. And they'd be like, okay, we won't tell your parents. And they'd like, fix it. And then like two weeks later, the same thing. Would they get annoyed? My parents? No, the computer guy. No, they're just like, porn? Or like illegally downloading songs. Because we would do it on Napster and Kazaa and stuff. Got it. And LimeWire? I was a LimeWire. I used LimeWire. So we had LimeWire to download porn. But it would take so long. It would take so long. and you'd have to like download porn like for 24 hours. And then like you'd finally get it.

48:46At that point, is it worth it? Yes, when you're a kid, is it worth it? He's shaking his head. And you'd get it. And sometimes it would be like porn and you'd be like, yes. And then sometimes it would literally just be like static and be like, ah, like the craziest noise. And you'd be like, fuck. Like I waited 24 hours for just like static. So when like this, when like social media evolved, like were you guys like, oh, this is – awesome for our porn intake? I don't know. I can't even remember. Like, I just remember, I just remember I got big. Like, I got first discovered because of MySpace. Right.

49:21Like, that was, like, social media for me. So, like, I used to, like, just, like, hit up anyone who was, like, of any relevance and be like, I make music. I just did this thing for the, and it'd be, like, the, like, worst. I'd be like, did this for, like, someone's cousin's nephew. And, like, I, like, then the credits started getting better. And I, like, I, like, started to get a bunch of friends on, like, it was, like, the first thing where you would get, like, popular. That's, like, how you got popular on, like, MySpace. And I, like, had, like, a lot of friends. Like, basically, like, I had, like, I think I had, like, 15 ,000 friends on MySpace.

49:56And, like, for, like... That's a lot of friends. At that point, like, that was, like, huge. Like, there was, like, the biggest person in the world, oh, well, this girl, Tila Tequila. Oh, I watched a shot at, a double shot at Love. Okay, so she, at that point, like when I had like 15 ,000 she had like 500 ,000 and she was like nobody was even close to her and so like I had like 15 like I had by far like the most of like anyone near my area and I don't even know why it happened I was just like doing funny shit and I would like write on like people's walls like crazy shit and like it was just like I was 13 right and and then and then I like just like started like getting gradually, gradually like more known.

50:37But like, yeah, like when Twitter came out, I remember I was like, what's Twitter? And I like, didn't know any TikTok. Same thing. Yeah. My friend, literally I was putting out my second album and my friend was like, you got to use this thing called TikTok. If you want your songs to be big. And I was like, what's TikTok. And he was like, it's the thing like where everyone like dances on it. And I was like, well, I don't want to dance on it. And he was like, no, you don't have to just like go on and like, just do stuff. He was like, there's like these things called trends and they're doing some to like some of your like songs that are like older.

51:09And I was like, I don't know, man, I don't want to do this. And he was like, I'm going to come over to your house and I'm going to film you. And he like filmed three videos for me. And like, I like post them and they actually got 400 views. And I was like, dude, I'm not doing this ever again. 400 views. That's crazy. And I would have, and I went to bed and then I woke up and my friend was like, I told you. and I was like what do you mean you told me and he was like and like one of my first videos got like 10 million this was when TikTok was like explosive like do you know like when it was like and it was like and I was like oh shit and then like I posted another video and it like did nothing and then like I posted like one more and then it got like millions of views and then all of a sudden I had like 500 ,000 followers in like those were the days in like three days and then it was like and then I was like oh and then my song started getting really big and then and then i like really got the hang of it and then i because i was like i was like in order to get the hang of this i need to see it so my friend came over one day and he showed me the for you page because i've never still to this day i don't never use i've never scrolled benny like my screen time is insane really all i do scroll scroll scroll so like what are you gonna do like break me down with what you did earlier today and what you're going to do after.

52:28Really? I love talking about this. So I woke up at 7 a.m. I woke up and my bed vibrates to wake me up. What? Yes, it's an 8 sleep. Oh yeah, I have one of those. Do you really? I took it off immediately. I hated the feeling. It made me freezing all night. But you can make it warm. Yeah, no. I don't like that. I have two extra if you want one. King size or queen size? King and cow king. Okay, I might get a king bed for my new room, so I actually might - Do you want one? Yeah. I literally have an extra one at my house. Really? I swear. I would like that. Okay, maybe for a small price. Okay, I'll pay.

53:06Okay. Okay. No, I got mine for free. You can have it. I got mine for free, too. Okay, okay. Yeah, you can have it. Okay, cool. So basically, I woke up, and my bed vibrated to wake me up. Then I walked to get coffee. I listened to my music. And then I went to go work out at the Aloe Gym, where you actually have a studio. Oh, I do have a studio there. You have a studio there. Yeah. You can use it whenever you want. Really? Yeah. Oh, okay, cool. I got an IV in there once. In the studio? Yeah, I'm pretty sure. What type of IV? I don't know. I get an IV like once a week. Really? Yeah. Why? I'm addicted.

53:39Have you ever put Benadryl in an IV? Yeah. Goes stupid. Do you guys get IVs? Does your mom know you get an IV? My dad knows. What's your dad think? He thinks, I'm like, it's healthy. He's like, okay, good. That's it. Yeah. He's like. Xanax healthy. No, he's like, it's good. Okay, good, good. So I worked out. I did cryotherapy. Then I came home, shaved my entire chest. Do you have to have a shaved chest to be gay? I think hair's back in. Do you shave your dick? Yeah, I get it lasered off. Your dick? Yes. You get your dick lasered? Like, no, there's like a little, but it's not like a bush. Yeah, so it's just like manicured.

54:21Yeah. But like how little are we talking? Like your eyebrows or less? Is it like this? Is it like mine? Right now, it's bald. That's crazy. I know. That's insane. I know. Bald is insane. I know. I don't know. Do you want a bald dick? No. Yeah. Are you gay or straight? Straight. Do you want a bald dick? I know. Your dick's not bald. I already know. I know what your dick looks like. I know everything about it. Like, I know your dick already. I got the wax. I waxed my asshole. And first of all, the position they put you in is insane. I know. Insane. You're like, legs are above your head. And I'm sitting there, and I'm like talking to the lady while she's doing it.

55:07And she's like, oh, my God. She's like, she was like, I saw Steely Dan last night, and they were so good. And she's talking to me about 80s rock bands. Well, she's like – but I will tell you, first of all, it does not hurt at all. It feels so good. The warmth. The warmth. Of the wax? Yeah, yeah. You do sugaring or wax? I think she does a combination, I think, or something. Oh, wow. I don't know what she does. She's like very next level. Okay, yeah. And I will tell you one thing. Okay, first of all, I've never been so clean down there. Like, it's like you're – it's almost like too – like, okay.

55:47So guys have hair in their tush because it like catches the sweat and stuff. When you have no hair, it's like a slip and slide. It gets like so – it does for girls too. But then you just have to take care of yourself down there to make sure it doesn't end up like that. No, no, no. But it's just like if you like go for – no, not wiping. Oh, wiping is amazing. Oh, my God. Wiping is insane. I use a Toto toilet anyways. I love getting an explosion of water up my asshole. There's nothing I love more than just being blasted. I wish it was like... Really? I would take a full machine gun of water up my...

56:32Yeah, the harder the better. Okay. It feels so good. I guess it kind of jars me. I've only done it twice. Oh, I love it. I sit on it and I'm like... I'm like riding. It's amazing. It's incredible. One time I was like in the doctor's office and there was like a man and like a woman examining like my penis. Like just like doing like physical, like checking around. And it might have been a dermatologist. I forget what it was. I think it was a regular doctor when they tell you cough and stuff. and the lady starts talking and she's like oh my god i love when you did this and she's like talking and then asked me for a picture well you're no no afterwards and i was just like i can never come here again like is that hipaa i think that's like illegal right yeah that's like it was like like and i was like i i've never been like more violated in my life i never went back again and what did they was it like a physical like were they like all up on you that whole Yeah, I mean, the girl wasn't, she was just, like, shadowing the doctor.

57:42Or I think she was, like, the doctor's assistant. I don't know what it was. I don't know. And she was there, and she was, like, starts talking to me. Like, she was just talking to me throughout the whole time, not just, like, when my pants were down. And then, like, and then she's, like, they're, like, the guy's, like, having me cough, and, like, my penis is just, like, out. And then, like, yeah, then she, like, asked me for a picture, and I was, like. And then I started thinking, I'm, like, are all our doctors just, like, talking about, like, all our deepest, darkest secrets when they get home?

58:06Probably. Like, they're just like, oh, my God. They're like, Jake's asshole? Yeah. Huge. Yeah, probably. They're just, like, gaping. Like, well, one time my friend got a finger, like, the doctor had to, like, stick a finger up his ass, and he peed. A good pee or bad pee? I don't know, but he said, ooh, and peed across the entire patient room. Whoa. And the doctor said, it happens. He's like, it happens. I'm going to be like talking about it while I'm eating like Angelini like octopus tonight, but it happens. Isn't that crazy? That's insane. Doctor, are therapists saying everything? I don't know.

58:44How long have you had your therapist for? Like 18 years. Shut the fuck up. Yeah. How long have you had your six months? Like a month, like a year or less than like, I don't know. And all I do is talk shit with her. I like don't. You don't even, you don't even do therapy. No. You're just like, bitch, guess what? Is that basically you? Yes. Well, no, like I'll get into like my intimacy problems in the last like five minutes. You have intimacy problems? Like I definitely am not like I don't have like solutions for it. But what are the problems? Like I'm not good at it. But why are you good at intimacy?

59:15Because it makes me nervous. Really? Yeah. Do you get nervous like going for the kiss? No, I've actually was told twice last week by two different people that I'm a good kisser. I know. That's so good. Never heard that before and I was like, I'll take it. Okay. So you're a good kisser. I can see it. You look like a good kisser. Really? Yeah, you got a good mouth. Thank you. Okay, so then what are the intimacy problems? Like I just get super anxious. Like before you're in it? I think I'm just like uncomfortable with my body. Wow, your body's great. Is that why you're going to the gym? Yeah. Did you like used to be like a chubby kid or something?

59:52Yeah, I was like very chubby when I was like 10, and then I lost a bunch of weight. And then post-grad I gained a little bit of weight. And then I was like, I gotta lose it. You look great now. Thank you so much. Nolan, do you think I've lost weight since we've started this? Absolutely. Are you trying to get like six-pack? Yeah, like ideally I would like like a four-pack. Yeah. That would be nice. How close do you think? How close? Like four or five months away if I took it seriously. Do you have like a crazy trainer or something? Yeah, but like I – You just like talk shit. Like I go out a lot and then I'm drunk.

1:00:24Like yeah, I try to. I eat healthy today and yesterday. Does he eat healthy? Yeah, I think so. I overeat. You overeat? Because I eat like I've never been fed. Yeah, I have to eat every two hours. Like, I'm starving right now. Really? And I ate right before I came here. I ate the second before I came here, and I'm starving. What'd you eat? I made, like, a nice little, like, I made, like, some, like, shrimp and vegetables and rice. Just, like, very. That's my favorite. I really would like you to cook for me. I would love to cook with you. Really? Yeah, I want to be your friend in real life. I want to be your friend in real life.

1:00:55Really? I'm dead serious. Or do you just, like, say stuff like that? No, I'm like dead serious. Like I actually am going to hit you up and text you. Are you like an LA follow through or just like? No, I'm a follow through. Really? Yeah. What do you usually do on the weekend? Like this weekend I'm in New York. What are you doing? Aren't you like on tour? Yeah, I go back on tour in a few weeks if you want to pop out. So what's the tour? Do you do this on stage? No, I like stand up and I talk about myself for like an hour and 45 minutes. You just talk about yourself, like however you feel that night.

1:01:25Like, Manny, can you explain, can you give her the mic and can she explain like what she thinks the... Does anyone ever see them on camera? So they just hear you guys? Are there people who have like crushes on them without, no, no. I don't know. Not yet. Submissions. Oh, really? A lot of people. About who? Oh. Oh, about you? Yeah. Oh. They say they fall in love with my voice. Oh, I didn't. And they put their numbers in there. He's hot. He's like, he's definitely a hot guy. Thanks, man. He's definitely, don't ever show yourself. No, no, no, no. No, don't. Keep it a mystery. Keep it a mystery. No, he's really hot.

1:02:02He's very hot. Thank you. So, Manny, do you want to explain, like, what my show's like, or what's the vibe? Yes. Let's get back to Jake. His show, it's like a hybrid stand-up. It's kind of like a big hangout session where he also has a structure and jokes, but audience participation. He talks about himself. He talks about his childhood. Um, he, like the PowerPoint presentation has a lot of funny visuals, a lot of funny, like just a lot of his fans are called pussies. And so the pussies are a really big part of it. And it's kind of just like a hour and 45 minutes of hanging out and laughing. And then he also sings songs from my album.

1:02:42Oh my God. I love that. Where are you playing here? Here. We had to move the LA date. Okay. Um, but in New York, I'm doing radio city in June. Amazing. Well, radio city is huge. I know. Is that your biggest one you've ever done? Yeah. Oh my God. Are you going to sell it out? I think it's about to be sold out. Just selling out? Just like easy for you? I don't know. Like I didn't think it would sell that much, but it has. New York's my hometown, so. That's so cool. I want to come. Do you actually want to? I want to come to a show for sure. When is your LA show? Like we need to reschedule it. Okay, I'm 100 % coming to your LA show.

1:03:20You have to. I swear. You have to pop out. I swear I'll pop out. Have you ever seen, what's his name here? Jay Shetty was here the other week. He said you guys were close friends. Have you been to one of his shows? No. Oh, he came on your pod? Yeah. Really? Mm-hmm. Damn, you get everyone on your pod. Oh, thanks. He talked about how much he adored you. No. Yes. I just, we just, me and Selena just did a show. Yeah, he was telling me. He was using your relationship as an example for a relationship, like, that I should strive for. Oh, wow. Big shoes. I know. I, uh... I have a good relationship. I know.

1:03:57It's really good. Yeah. It's not, it's like, it's so easy. That's, well, love should be easy, huh? It's so, it's usually, I used to think like, oh yeah, like, it's supposed to be hard. Like, it's supposed to be like a fight. It's supposed to be like a pat. I kind of want that. Love easy or hard? Fights. Like, I kind of like just want to experience toxicity. I have a lot of gay friends. You do? Can you set me up with one of them? Yes. And I have like, I have so many like cute parties and things to do. Like I'll make all of them go to your Radio City show Really? Yeah so you like look like the man And then you come off stage and you're like Like oh my god And then I'll have an after party after Do you love a party?

1:04:35I used to party when I was in college I would party Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday Every single week Sometimes Sunday And I was I wouldn't miss a night out I literally refused to miss a night out Like if I missed a night out Like hell had frozen over Do you miss a night out now? All the time I rarely go out now Okay, what are you going to do in New York? Go out. Tell me your plans in New York this weekend. I want to know everything. Do you really? Yes. Okay, so I get there Thursday. Okay, boring. No. I'm just kidding. Wow. Okay, okay, you get there Thursday. I'm staying at... Okay. So I'm super excited.

1:05:08I've never stayed there before. Okay, okay. I'm going to go on a date Thursday night with this guy I've been seeing. What's the sushi restaurant? Okay. Yeah, he was raving about it. Yeah, it's yummy. I've only had Postmates. I've never been there. Okay. But it was yummy. Okay. Okay keep going Okay so I'm gonna see him I think that's what it's called And he's But we're getting drinks With my two girlfriends And him beforehand Because my girlfriends Wanted to see me And your girlfriends Live in New York Yeah Okay what are their names Cassidy and Sally Okay Cassidy and Sally And then Friday This is my BNO So Friday I'm gonna wake up And I'm gonna work out And then I have An important meeting That I'm really excited for But it's over Zoom So it doesn't matter If I took it in New York Or LA or whatever Okay Then Friday night I have a reservation at my favorite like going out spot.

1:05:54Okay. And I have a reservation with me and all my girls and we are going to go and black out Saturday. Same girls, Cassidy. Cassidy and Sally and then some. Okay. And a lot of girls. Probably. And then Saturday comes around and I have to fly to Boston because my best friend's older brother is giving the commencement speech at Northeastern. Wow. Mm-hmm. Okay. Yeah, very exciting. So then I'm with my - And you'll party there. Is Alice here? Alice! Alice! Damn. Okay, then what? Well, so we'll probably, maybe not. We'll go out to a nice dinner probably in Boston. I doubt we'll party. Yeah, yeah. And then Sunday I come back to New York.

1:06:34Don't know what I'll do. And then Monday I have the Webby Awards. Are you hosting or something? No, I won an award. Congrats. Thanks. Okay, and then you'll party after that? Or not? No. Might just kick it. I'll probably just, because I have a flight Tuesday morning very, very early. Where? Back to here to come home because I have to be here first thing in the morning to go to Alexander's studio to finish my Christmas song. Because it's the last time I can do it before I leave for tour. And then how long are you on tour for? I am on tour from middle of May to end of May and then I go to France all of June.

1:07:08For what? Wedding, vacation, another wedding, work, vacation, back to tour. And then what? And then it's July. And then what are you going to do in July? finish tour a little more yeah and i'm gonna spend a lot of time in la maybe i'll go fuck around in new york what a life live my life what a life what are your plans for the summer i have some things i have to work on in la and then honestly i really want to take like a little break i've been working so much i realized like i haven't really like had much time off in a while and I'm about to like just like relax. Like I just want to like lay in bed.

1:07:49Like I want to lay in bed and like forget what day it is because we've been in bed. Like just watching stuff. You like that? Not usually. Yeah. But like with Selena I can do it like all day. Like she makes me want to just like hang out and cuddle and like just watch things and just like eat food and have like piles of food around us and like have the best time ever. Are you guys wedding planning yet? Has that? Not yet. That's why we both need a show. We've both been working so much. We got engaged. Then we were filming music videos for our album.

1:08:28Then it's holidays. Then right after holidays, we had to start all the promo for our stuff. Then we do that. Then she left to film her show, Only Murders. Then I met her. Then we hung out for a week. and then right after that it's like promo and then I'm I'm writing another book so then I had to like write like a book and then like she came back for like one day here then I like it's like right and it was my birthday and then it was you know so it's like happy bladed thanks and then we never and then and then like I'm I'm always we're both working on so many things that we hadn't even had time to like get into it but like we're so excited i think like this summer we're gonna like sit down and be like okay what are we doing huh that wedding's gonna be lit huh i think so that's gonna be awesome but it'll be like chill yeah yeah it'll be chill but lit yeah it'll be amazing i don't know i don't know what's that it's the tell me what's wrongs well what were you about to say nothing what's tell me what's wrongs it's the pussies write in and they tell us what's wrong and we give them advice are you serious yeah and we like prescribe them stuff okay I got with a guy who I didn't realize had a girlfriend at the time.

1:09:39Now his friends are blaming me for the situation and even booed me last night because they broke up. We're in the same social circles. So how do I get out of this? You want to take this one away? Like I would just be like, fuck you guys. You suck. Like I don't know what to tell you. Like it sucks. Like guys suck. Like of course they're blaming you. Okay. Because they won't like put any responsibility onto their loser friend. Okay. I'm going to be in charge of the next one. Okay. Your advice is great. Like, this is your thing. Right? Like, what men suck. Like, what do you mean? Like, of course they won't blame their friend because then they have to look inward.

1:10:12Yeah. They suck. I would prescribe... You did? I don't really know. Okay. Okay. I am seriously going to lose my mind over this girl. She has been one of my best friends for over six years, but I just can't stand to be around her anymore. We had an argument a while ago and stopped talking for six months, and it was the best six months of my life. Now that we've patched things up a little, I'm starting to feel those same bad feelings as before. What should I tell her? Okay. I think you have a wiser take on this. Look, there's two worlds. First of all, everybody has a friend that they're just grandfathered in.

1:10:54No matter what, they kind of just have to be your friend for the rest of your life. You hate them. But you're so embarrassed of them. Every time you bring them around, you're like, oh, this is going to be terrible. But you have no other choice. They're already in the circle. And you can't get a new friend. They know too much. It's like a therapist. You don't want to teach a new friend all this stuff. They've been your friend for like 10 years. You kind of have to keep them. So there's a little bit of that world. And then I always think the truth is going to set you free. You just have to tell the truth.

1:11:26You have to be like, look, I'm finding myself resenting you a little bit. We patched this up. like what are we going to do about it and talk to them and like sometimes the mature thing is like letting go and then sometimes it's like oh no let's like try to work through this right i i think i think i think you should definitely try that unless they're already in the grandfathered in like the grandfathered in you have no there's no choice you're fucked you're right because they know too much yeah grandfathered in there like don't you have some friends you like hate like you hate them like they're your friend no you do no no really it's you know what i'm talking about But, you know, yeah, obviously he's such a liar.

1:12:00He's such a liar. You just, like, don't want to – it's because we're on a podcast. Like, yeah, I have friends I hate. You know who you are. I don't even know which camera to look at. No, but, like, you hate them. Like, you don't actually hate them. You're just like, oh, really? You said that? Like, do you have, like, people you bring around someone, and you're like, why would you say that? That's usually me. Oh, really? Yeah, like, maybe I'm the friend. Yeah. Like, my friend Will always is like, why the fuck would you say that? Like, how could you say that? Like, you're so embarrassing. But I would prescribe Truth Hurts by Lizzo.

1:12:32Oh. Oh, okay, okay, okay. You see? Yes, yes, yes. The past two or three guys I've gotten with keep finishing so quickly. Like, record speed. I know it's a low-key compliment, but come on. What do I got to do here? Some people have, like, issues with it. Maybe, I think, maybe, like, try a lot of foreplay first. so that by the time you get to set, maybe have them go down on you or do something that's gonna, or bring a toy into it or something. Something that's gonna get you either you already came before or you can come very easily. And then maybe that'll work their confidence back up. I prescribe going to Babeland or something.

1:13:18I used to toy the first time I lost my virginity. You did? Yeah. No. Isn't that insane? First time? Yes. That's insane. Isn't that insane? That's crazy. Like, isn't that crazy? Yeah, that's crazy. Like. That's insane. Like, you're so, you're embarrassed. I don't think I've even ever told my friends that. Yeah, that's insane. That's insane. I want to become a singer-songwriter and went to an open mic the other night and got awkwardly laughed off stage after my performance. It didn't kill me, but it sure didn't feel good. Like, am I cut out for this? Do you want to start? And then I will. Like, yeah, I think you're cut out for it.

1:13:56I think your outlook on it is great. Like, it didn't kill me, but it didn't feel great. Obviously, that's not going to feel good. You're human. Of course it's not going to feel good. Yeah, people tell me no still all the time. Yes, so many times. Like, you're going to fail so much. Like, you're going to fail constantly. Like, you're going to, like, nobody's going to remember your failures, though. Like, nobody's coming up to you and they're like, Jake, do you remember that, like, one podcast you had that like didn't go off that well or like at that show when you told that one joke like and if they are focused on that they're like a piece of shit and like they shouldn't like it doesn't like they're just like preying on your downfall but like no normal person like when you talk about like michael jordan you're not like remember when he missed that like game winning three you're like oh my god do you remember when he dunked from the foul line with his tongue out like you know you're like thinking of shit like that like and i i think you just have to like keep going and and and it's all gonna work out and like the only chance you won't make it is if you quit like that's the only chance you guaranteed to not make it i guess you're right what do you want to prescribe um stronger by kelly clarkson oh my friend made that song really who made that ali tamposi oh wow singer song have you ever worked with kelly clarkson i've never worked with kelly i went on her show but i never worked with her oh okay my best friend just started dating my secret crush of a year and a half I know that's totally on me, but I'm heartbroken and I'm dreaming of sabotage.

1:15:21Do I commit to the bit or just be more open with my feelings next time? So actually, I've had an experience with this. One time my friend hooked up with my crush. And did he know it was your crush? So I thought he did, but he was like, you never fucking told me that you liked this guy. So that is on you and it was on me. But next time you just have to be more open and honest. Yeah, I think so too. Like I learned the hard way. What do you want me? How dare you hook up with him? Like you knew I liked him. He's like, you literally never told me that. And I didn't. Did you ask him, like, the tea on it?

1:15:51Yeah, I did. Was it good? He said it was okay. Okay. Well, what do you recommend? Yours was perfect, but what do we prescribe? What do we prescribe? Nothing. I don't. Do you have anything? This is your show. I know, but I'm kind of, like, speechless. Like, I don't really know. It touched you too deep? Yeah, I guess maybe it did. Like, I prescribed you my situation. You prescribed, like, maybe real therapy? No, or... No, never that. Yoga? Or acupuncture? Yeah, I prescribe, like... What would they prescribe? Like Earth Cafe or something? I hate Earth Cafe. Yeah, obviously. I have never hated... Nobody likes Earth Cafe.

1:16:37Really? Then why is it still around? Riddle me that. Because I think people saw it on Entourage and were like, Really? I think so. I fucking hate that place. What's your favorite restaurant in LA? Not Earth Cafe. Yeah, same. What are your faves? Actual faves. Matuhisa. I love Matuhisa. Okay, cool. Toscana. Have you been to Toscana? It's amazing. Oh, I guess you've been there. La Cha Cha Cha in downtown LA. What's that? It's great. It's Mexican food. Okay. That's about it. Okay, so you're three places. Do you cook? Yeah, I used to a lot more than I do now. Oh, Mr. Chow. Love Mr. Chow. What do you cook?

1:17:24I used to cook. What are you used to? Like, do you die? No, like, I just, I order in every day. You do? What'd you order today? Well, today I had, like, a pre-made meal from my healthy chef. Oh, are you on, like, a pre-cooked meals thing? Really? You're really trying to get, like, skinny? I'm really trying. Is it good? Yeah, she's great. How many calories are you allowed to have a day? I haven't gotten that far yet, but I know I will one day. Like, if I ever get lucky and I get, like, a roll where I have to be super skinny and ripped, like, I'm excited for that day where I'm like, I can only eat this many calories.

1:17:56Really? Do you cook every day? Yeah. For every meal? I cook a lot. Because, like, by the time you order Postmates, it's like, you're like, what was this supposed to be? Yeah. It's, like, so cold and, like, disgusting. Or, like, the guy, like, it looks like he got in, like, an off-roading, like, accident. Like you're like, like the crispy tuna rice is like upside down and there's like, there's like a jalapeno, like somehow out of the box already. Like, and it's just like, you're like, what? Like, yes. So I'd rather just like make stuff at home and I, yeah, I really love cooking. Like I love, what's your favorite restaurant?

1:18:27Oh, my favorite restaurants. Okay. So I love, I love a place called, um, Sushi Yamamoto. Oh, okay. This is good to know. I need a new sushi place. Okay. It's amazing. It's a little bit pricey, but it's amazing. And it's like very like sneaky, like up in a thing. It's like, it's cool. And yeah, like, of course I love like Sushi Park and all that shit. But like, it's really delicious and it's really cool. And then I like, I like Thai food a lot. I love Thai food. So like, I love like Jitlada, Northern Thai Food Club. Never been. They're in Thai town. Okay. And I love like spicy BBQ. And then like, I love Mexican food.

1:19:08Okay. So I love like, you know, Marisco Jalisco. I love like Tacos La Unica. I love Hall Bosch I've been to Hall Bosch I got octopus I got octopus twist out Oh yeah So good And I love like I like like I love like Found Oyster And stuff You're putting me on To so many places I like Safi's Have you been to Safi's Yes I've been to Safi's Safi's is yummy You've been to Carousel Yeah of course I love Carousel I love like Rafi's too And all that shit Never been to Rafi's Rafi's is good And like mini kebab Wait maybe I have been to Rafi's Rafi's is like the Persian Armenian place A little fancier Yeah yeah Yeah I've been there Then I like I like Madeo.

1:19:43Yeah, Madeo's great. Old school. Yeah. I like, I usually cook Italian food when it's at home. Because that's like. That's the one thing I cook too. Oh, you do? I make a pasta. Okay. I pour a bunch of olive oil in a pan. Okay. Cut up a bunch of tomatoes. Okay. Saute the tomatoes until the olive oil becomes like tomatoey olive oil. Yeah, beautiful. Then I make my pasta on the side. Save a bunch of pasta water. Pour the pasta in. Pour the pasta water in. Mix it all together. And then I like add cheese and salt. Call it a day. Yeah, it's fucking delicious. Yeah, it's great. Like everything should be like simple, beautiful.

1:20:14What's your favorite thing to cook? Honestly, I cook so many different things. I really want you to cook for me. I will cook for you. Now that I know you like Italian, I'll cook you like a delicious Italian. Okay, I'm excited. We're going to make like a – I can either do like northern, like kind of like what you were saying. I like northern Italian. Or I could do like chicken parmesan. No, no. Yeah, okay. So we'll do like beautiful Italian with like a beautiful pasta, like maybe a seafood pasta, like a lobster pasta. I love a lobster pasta. Yeah, we'll like do that. And I'll make like a beautiful like bread and make like a really good salad and maybe like a little bit of like steak.

1:20:52I love a steak. Like a delicious steak. I love a steak. How do you eat your steak? First I'll like smoke it. Okay. On like a Traeger for like an hour really slow and get it like super smoky and then take it off and like sear it and give it like a butter bath with like garlic and then I'll rub your feet. Okay. Do you want me to rub your feet? Or it's like that the intimacy is too much. No, no, I like having my feet rubbed. I can make you feel comfy. Like in like a massage setting. Yeah. Like in an intimacy. I can make you feel like very comfortable. Yeah. I'm sure you can. I went to a Valentine's Day celebration with my boyfriend and his family.

1:21:25I got really drunk and made out with his cousin. I really just want to sweep this one under the rug, but I know I shouldn't. Help. Do they know? I don't know, but it does sound like you cheated on your boyfriend. Yeah. That's a no-no. Of course. That's bad. Mm-hmm. That's bad. That's, like, really bad. Yeah. Has she done your boyfriend with his cousin? He definitely doesn't know. And he's not saying anything either? Like, is everyone a bad person? The boyfriend's not. Well, the boyfriend's probably... She said she wants to sweep this one under the rug. It sounds like he doesn't know, maybe. Yeah.

1:22:00But, like, so, like, she's, like, might be bad. Yeah. And, like, the cousin is definitely... Well, it sounds like maybe she has... The cousin is definitely bad. Well, it sounds like she has a drinking problem. Yeah, yeah. And the cousin for sure is like asshole. Yeah. I would prescribe, you know, blame it on the alcohol. But the Glee cover version. Oh, I was just talking about Jamie Foxx recently. Really? I've never seen Glee. I know about it, though, and I know everything about it. I mean, I would hope that you would know about Glee. They've done Teenage Dream twice. Really? I'm going to be sick.

1:22:34I'm sorry. I'm going to be sick. I'm sorry. What do you mean? Just shut up and read the next Christchurch. No. They did Teenage Dream once in all-boys school. It was so good. It was fucking amazing. It was amazing, amazing, amazing. I'm so out of the loop. It's crazy. I can't believe you've never seen Glee. So they did Teenage Dream once, and it was like a bunch of – it was an all-boys school called – and there was an acapella group called the Warblers. So they did the first Teenage Dream. I don't even know the concept of Glee. It's a Glee club in high school. Oh, okay. And it was super major when they did it.

1:23:06Have you seen it? But then when the guy in the Warblers breaks up with Kurt, the guy in the other Glee Club, he sings an acoustic rendition of Teenage Stream in a New York City bar. Did you lose your mind? Did you cry? I mean, like, shivers down my spine. Do you know what I'm talking about? It is one of the most iconic moments in Glee history. I love you. Thank you. I love you, too. Okay, go to the next one. Okay. You know, you'll cook for me. I'll watch Glee with you. Okay. Is that our first date? Yes. Okay. I can't believe you haven't seen Glee. So many of your songs have been on Glee. Yeah, I guess so.

1:23:45I just met a guy and we hooked up. Well, it turns out he's married. He's 23. And now I just took a pregnancy test and it was positive. He will not return my text. What is a woman to do? I prescribe write a screenplay. That's crazy. Right. What she just said is insane. Right. Read it one more time. I just met a guy and we hooked up. Well, it turns out he's married. He's 23 and now I just took a pregnancy test and it was positive. He will not return my text. What is a woman to do? Buy a gun? Right. For him. And like. Yeah. Get rid of him maybe. Or yeah, or that. That's crazy. I mean, I would definitely out him to his wife for sure.

1:24:25Yeah, for sure. DM to the wife. DM to the wife first thing. First thing, right? I wouldn't hey girly a DM with a pregnancy. like I would like maybe like find her at work I prescribe once again the other woman best movie ever um I would go to them at work and be like yo like your husband fucked me and I am now pregnant and I did not know he was married I'm so sorry I'm either keeping the baby or I'm not and just like what do you want to do here personally because like we should stick together I love it yeah That's what I would do Yeah For sure And then like maybe like Plot revenge against him Together Yeah yeah yeah Together revenge Is that the The The plot of other Of the other women Yeah They Yeah yeah yeah They each three Or I also prescribe like John Tucker must die If you wanna Oh yeah So you do know pop culture I've seen I've seen that one John Tucker must die Yeah yeah I've seen that one It's the best movie ever What's that guy's name?

1:25:26John Tucker No, his real name in real. Oh, of course. I don't know. Was he like your crush growing up? Yeah, I also thought he was very attractive. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I also had a gay awakening with... With who? I forget now. Okay. Okay, well, that was our last Tell Me What's Wrong. So, Benny, what did we learn today? Is this what happens? Mm-hmm. Oh, you ask people what they learned? Yeah, what did you learn? I learned that you're a really good guy, and I learned that I feel like you deserve, like, the best type of love. Oh my God. You might be the problem. I think. You might be a little bit selfish and maybe the problem, but like you need to find the right person that's going to like tame your lion and like put you in place when you need to be.

1:26:11And it sounds like you can make a good pasta and I can't wait to watch Glee with you. I learned that you have never seen Glee and you literally don't know half the songs you've made.

1:26:23Benny Blanco, thank you for coming on Therapist. I love you. I love you too. I love you guys too. This was the best. Was it good? This was amazing. Do you want to give a little bye pussies? Bye pussies. Bye pussies. Bye pussies.

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