Session 83: Jessie Murph

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0:40surprise welcome back to therapist and happy friday pussies today we have a surprise episode with the one and only jesse murph she is so such a fun time to hang out with i loved talking to her she has a new hit song called blue strips out she has another song called touch me like a gangster she really is just having a moment I think what she's doing is super cool and I'm really excited for you guys to get to know her in terms of life updates I am now going into the weekend of my final shows for tour this tour has meant so much to me I've been so vulnerable on the tour I'm so grateful that I've been able to connect with you guys the way I have I am ready to take a break and try different things hopefully if you guys will allow me to but I love I loved touring I really really loved touring it was so so incredible and hearing you guys laugh in person was just the best thing I could have ever asked for meeting you guys in person was incredible it's even more special to me that you guys gave me your time especially on like Friday or Saturday that you guys actually showed up meant the entire world to me and I just wanted to say thank you and I'm really excited and sad added to enter my final weekend of tour.

1:56With that being said, to see if I'm coming to a city near you, go to pastthatpuss.com and click live with Jake Shane. And to submit a tell me what's wrong, go to pastthatpuss.com, click tell me what's wrong and leave a name and number if you're feeling fancy. Okay, enjoy the episode. Love you pussies. I'm so excited. Me too. Your energy is so infectious. Oh, that's so kind. It's true. Thank you. Well, hi pussies. Today on Therapist, we have rising superstar Jessie Murph. She just released her new single, Blue Strips, and her latest single, Gucci Mane, as well. Did they come out the same exact time?

2:29A week apart. A week apart. I knew it. Okay, I'm going to redo that one more time. Hold on. Let me just, God, kill myself maybe. She just released her new singles, Blue Strips and Gucci Mane, the rising superstar, Jessie Murph. Hello. Hey. We met at the VMAs, if you remember. I do remember. You had this gorgeous red outfit with a lollipop. Oh, the bedazzled t-shirt. Yes. That was a fun night. That was a fun night. Did you have a good night that night? I was going out that night and, oh my God. I need to stop admitting things, but I was going out that night and I was like, I need to get home so I can pregame.

3:09As you should. And did you have a good night out? Kind of. It was definitely God being like, you should have stayed for the VMA. Were you at the club or? Yeah, it was like some club that I'd never been to before. It was, did you have fun? I think I had fun. Yeah, I watched. I liked watching. It was my first, like, maybe it was my first, like, watching performances like that at a show. But, no, it was cool. But, damn, I'm jealous I missed the club, though. No, the club was fine. How old are you? 20? 20. What about you? I'm 25. Oh, my God, you're young, too. No, I feel so old. I feel old. I feel really fucking old.

3:43Please don't say that. No, I do. No. I do. Yes, I do. Jesse. How old do you feel? I feel 40. 20 was the year I blacked out every weekend and woke up with gashes in my head and lost my phone. I feel like I should be doing that. No, you shouldn't. I still, those scaries keep me up at night still. Really? Yeah. Do you have bad anxiety? Yes. You get it really bad? Like crippling. One time I would say the worst anxiety I ever had was the day after Halloween. Oh my God, I'm like shivering thinking about it. It lasted a week long. I didn't talk to anybody. Yep, I didn't talk to anybody. What did you do?

4:19nothing I can say on this podcast. It was just diabolical. You gotta fill me in later. I'm actually really good. No, I will. I'll fill you in on the night. It was just super diabolical. Wait, so can you, you just performed at Coachella for the first time. Yeah. It was amazing. Thank you. You did like a bunch of stunts. Yeah. Because you were a cheerleader. Yes. Tell me everything. How was it? How was the experience? I need to hear it all. It was so good. I was so, so nervous all week. It was one of those things, you know when you're like anticipating something so much that you just can't stop like obsessing over it?

4:47Yes. I was so nervous I was going to forget stuff. It was my first time doing choreography of any kind or having dancers. So I was real nervous, but it ended up going great. I didn't forget anything, and it was so fun. Are you excited to do Weekend Tale? I'm so excited. I want to go back now. Oh, were you able to catch any sets besides Jerome? Yes. I watched Jenny. Oh, how was? Dude, I was like, holy shit. Yeah, she's awesome. She's incredible. Yeah. I watched Meg Thee Stallion, also incredible. They're fucked up for cutting her set like that. Oh, what happened with that? They cut her set short?

5:20I think she was on her last song, and they were like, mic off. What? So she was just like looking at the crowd like. No. It was terrible. That's horrible. No, I felt really bad, but she is so good and so hot. Yeah, gorgeous. Drop dead. Wait, so that was your first time using dancers? What was like the decision behind that? Like how did you make that decision? Well, I knew I wanted to do cheer stunts because it's something I've wanted to do for a while during shows. and to do that I had to have people so they were dancing in the meantime. Right. Wait, so you were, how long did you do cheer for?

5:54I did cheer for like sixth grade to tenth grade probably. Wow. So it was a big part of your life. It was a big part of my life, yeah. Did you do any sports? I did volleyball. Okay, how long? I think tenth grade to senior year. So nothing crazy. Those are important years though. Yeah, they were pivotal years. It was a weird time. Did you stop doing cheer once you started singing, or did they overlap at all? It was pretty, like, once I started singing, I kind of stopped. Maybe, like, a couple months overlap. But COVID happened, so, like, we all had to leave school anyways. So it got really weird.

6:33You went to high school when COVID happened? Yeah. What was that like? I was in 10th grade, I think. Yeah, it was weird. So I kind of just stopped going to school. Yeah. and then it was like online shit and my attention span is terrible so if somebody's not like talking to me being like do your work in front of me I just like stop doing it yeah same yeah did you were you like upset when I mean like when did you miss school at all I don't think I've ever really spoken to someone who was in high school I mean I have but I don't know I get have I what was it like I don't know I didn't miss it at all no I don't think so I mean I miss like um being around people all the time but like no i never really liked school at all um yeah same did you yeah no i hated that sucked sucked sucked and when people were like what do you want to be when you're older and you're like famous you're like a singer they're like okay right because where are you from i'm from alabama right i knew where in alabama huntsville okay i love alabama Why?

7:37Because everyone was super welcoming and super nice. I mean, I don't know if it's just because I had a show there. Aw. But everyone was super nice. I was in Birmingham. Yeah. Aw. It was great. They are really sweet. I, my, my, I almost said my roommate. My manager went to Bama and she was really trying to get me to go to Taco Mama. Aw, you didn't go? No. You gotta hit it next time. Is it that good? No. No. But she was like, it's not good, but you have to go. Like, everyone will go crazy. I'm like, Louise, I really don't think I can get this. I was like, this does not look up my alley. Do you eat fast food?

8:11Yes. Okay. What fast food do you eat? Like anything. I love McDonald's. That's my number one all time. Shut up. And people love to hate on it. Why? It's the blueprint. It's the blueprint. It's the blueprint. The fries. The fries. The chicken nuggets. The chicken nuggets. The spicy nuggets. The Big Mac. The Dr. Pepper. The Dr. Pepper. The Sprite. The McFlurries. I'll do it anytime. Snack wrap. I'll do it right now. I would do it right now. I'd do it right now. Oh, it sounds so good. If I didn't have a date tonight, I would order it for us on the spot. Oh, my God. Do you have a date tonight? Basically, like, I know.

8:43It was Saturday night, and I was flirting with this guy all night. Okay, okay. Which I never do, by the way. Really? Are you a flirt? No. But you're going on a date. It's going to work. I know, and I was like, I followed up today, and now we're going on a date. Where are you going? This restaurant called ****. Okay. Okay, we'll go together. Okay. Maybe we'll go with Jeffrey. Okay, yeah. We should go with Jeffrey. Yeah, that's our boy. That's our boy. Shout out, Jeffrey. I don't know how to pronounce your last name. Hassan? That sounds right. Yeah. Sounds right. Aw. He'll appreciate it. Jeff. For you, Jeff.

9:13How long have you been working with Jeffrey for? Three, four years ago. No way. He really loves you so much. Aw, I love him too. Yeah. What about you? I started with him a little less than a year ago. Oh, wow. New, fresh. Well, because I just started touring this thing. So, like, I... Got you. Do you like tour? I love tour. Do you like tour? I love it, too. I love it. I feel like, do you bus? A bus. But I haven't always bussed. What you used to do. I worked my way up. I started in a van, right? Yeah, in a van. And then I went to a bandwagon, and then I went to a bus. Oh, you, like, really almost famous did.

9:48I grinded it, yeah. Oh, okay. So you went from van to bandwagon? What's the difference? Okay, a van is like a van. and then a fan wagon is like you ever seen a u-haul no no no no no that's wrong have you ever seen an 18-wheeler like a atv like am i explaining this wrong like no where they have 18 wheels can somebody please pull up a photo of it truck right yes that's a better word for it it's like a semi almost what that's like a truck what was that like i actually loved it so much i was so grateful to be out of the van so i was just like so happy i was geeked i decorated my bunk i was like so proud and happy to have a van and now you're now you buff it do you have a room or do you bug i have a room now yeah it's awesome yeah oh i feel so spoiled i started off right away with the bus oh my god you're lucky yeah it's good i'm spoiled do you like the bus do you decorate the bus no okay i've never been one to decorate ever since i was anything nothing why i don't know i think it's because i i'm a hoarder so like i hoard things and i like collect things but i don't decorate okay well hoarding counts maybe you can help me decorate my bus yeah absolutely no you should what's your favorite color blue okay well maybe we can do that it's pink yeah because that was what you wore to the coachella thing right yeah pink is like my whole house is pink really Yeah.

11:12And it hasn't always been. I used to like avoid it. And then something happened and now I just love it. Everything's pink. What was your favorite color before pink? Like black. Well, it seems like you still do love black. I love black. Your hair is dropped out gorgeous, by the way. Oh, thank you. It's amazing. When did you start wearing it like this? What would you say? Like end of last year or this year? It's incredible. Thank you. Is this like, did you change up the look for the new album coming out? I don't know. Maybe kind of like this next era, but I've always loved it. I've always been like a super, I've been super inspired by like Priscilla Presley.

11:50That's what it's giving. I love all of that stuff a lot. Just the 60s in general. Yeah. Really sick. Do you listen to a lot of like Amy Winehouse and stuff? A lot of Amy Winehouse. A lot of everything though. Yeah. I like, I love rap music. I love like country. I love old shit. What about you? I listen to a lot of pop. Okay. So I listen to a lot of like Taylor Swift, Amy Winehouse, Lily Allen, Ariana Grande. Right now I'm listening to a lot of Bon Iver. I love, are you okay? Yeah. It's like really sad. Yes. Like I'm fine. But like he just released a new album and I was like, damn, I forgot how good his voice is.

12:24I need to listen. I haven't listened yet. The album's amazing. What's it called? Sable Fable. Okay. I think. That sounds right. Is that correct? Sable. It's amazing. Okay. And then I've also been listening to a lot of, well, I'm a big, I find a lot of my music via the TV shows I'm watching. Ooh, okay. I actually think I'm listening to a song from the 60s right now because I was watching, have you ever seen The Leftovers? No, what is that? Okay, so it's about like if the rapture happened and like 2 % of the world's population just disappears. And there's this song by this band called Skeeter Davis in it.

12:57Shut up. Is it The End of the World? Yes. That is my favorite song of all time. Are you serious? No, I'm so serious. Are you serious? I discovered it last night. I love it. I had no idea. Favorite song of all time. I think it's the first song I ever listened to. That's a weird kismet thing that just happened. That is really fucking weird. That's weird. That's weird. I was watching it last night and there was this really moving scene and it was like a needle drop moment. Do you know what like a needle drop is? Where they drop it on the record? No, it's like the final scene of an episode and the song starts and then it cuts to the credits with the song playing.

13:34Got you. So that was like this needle drop moment of the Skeeter Davis song. and like I and I was like wait this song's amazing and I started I listened to it this morning that's so weird it's amazing it's one of the best songs I've ever heard ever yeah ever is it from the 60s yeah that's why that's why you remind me you're like I love the 60s I think I'm listening to a song from the 60s right now really weird wow I wish that song was bigger it deserves everything well maybe now it will be maybe it was bigger in the 60s and we just like missed it right well I would assume we would if you could live in any era what era would you live in The early 2000s.

14:07Really? Yeah. That's hot. That's hot. That's what I would want. I would want the early 2000s, like 2001, 2, 3, 4. What is it about it? I think I liked. I could so see you there. Like people were so much more messy back then. So much more messy. And I feel like I would want to do exactly what I'm doing now, but back then. But I don't know if what I'm doing now wouldn't be possible back then. You don't think so? Well, because my whole career was kind of like based off of social media. I feel you. That's how I feel too. You know what I mean? Did you start on social media? I did. Okay, when did you start?

14:41Probably like, I really started when I was like 16 posting a lot on TikTok. But my first video ever, I was like 11. I posted it on YouTube. Oh, no way. What was it? It was a cover of Titanium. Wait, is it still up? I don't know. Please, is it still up? Please get it to me. That's amazing. That's so sweet. Were you ever? what was it like posting because i i applaud you because when i was in high school i was so scared of putting myself out there how did you do that well when did you start doing it when i was 22 oh shit so after high school yeah okay i just like started uh like it was a long story but that's scary too i think it's scary in general like no matter what age you are definitely in high school because people are like brutal but i don't know i was just like fuck it because i i knew like when i was in high school i was like i don't want to live here for the rest of my life right and i don't want to grow up and be a housewife right um so i just i was like fuck it it's um i'd rather try you know yeah so well that's what i that's i think that was like a realization i had during covid i was like what i feel like i haven't tried at all and i was like i feel like i need to try more and i think that's how i ended up here and now we're here and now we're here listening to skeeter davis wait so you started uploading when you were 16 when did you when did that lead to like uh your signing and your release of music like how did everything fall into place i think i signed when i was like 17 so i just kept doing it i was posting covers at first and then i i was like going through a breakup or some stupid shit and i was like posting songs so the guy would hear them and they were like originals and then one of them like did really good and then like labels started sliding into the dms and stuff and this was over tiktok wow yeah and now like do you like is there do you have any songs that are about that x that you've performed to this day oh my god of course definitely I feel like I'm I don't know I like a lot of my songs are a lot of my older songs are about the same person really yeah have you ever spoken to him or um not in a very long time yeah yeah are you so will you tell me about this new album what can you tell me about it it's definitely different it's very different from my other stuff um I don't know I feel like I was just experiencing new things and you can hear that in it but it's all like tied back to childhood trauma right like all of it yeah um I don't know it's one of those it's like I'm not good at talking about this stuff at all but you're up being incredible um I don't know it's one of those you kind of have to listen to to get the story.

17:28Do you have like a favorite song that you've written? My favorite one on there is probably, it's called Heroin. Heroin? Mm-hmm. Uh-huh. Yeah. And when did you write that? A couple months ago. Two months ago. And do you, what is your writing process? What is your writing process? Like, do you write it at home or do you write it in studio? Because I've heard both people do different. It depends on what it is, but normally in the studio, I'll just go in there and they'll like play chords and I'll have a mic and I'll kind of just like freestyle. Oh, no way. Yeah. I find it a lot easier than like going in there and sitting down and being like, this is what I'm going through.

18:03Right. That shit's fucking terrible. Right. Do you, you don't like, you do therapy? I do, but it's always excruciating. I hate therapy. I, yeah, it's terrible. Well, because also I just don't, yeah. Yeah, what's your take on it? Like, I love it and I think everyone should do it and I think it's super important. That's good for you. But I cancel it every week. I cancel mine all the time. I was with Manny. Was I supposed to have therapy today? Yeah. See? Well, I would have canceled it anyway, because all I do do is get on there and I like talk shit. No, I feel you. It also feels like it's weird to thought of like paying somebody to talk to you.

18:41I know. Really wrong. It's weird. It's weird. But it's like, fuck, it's like you're the only person that I can say whatever I want to. And you legally cannot tell anyone. No, you legally can't. Unless I'm like, which that's nice. Yeah. You know, what do you what? what music are you listening to right now and like what what shows are you watching like what what media are you consuming right now songs it's all over the place um have you ever heard of this girl Georgiana no she's like a rapper she's really fire I just found herself I've been listening to that there's a song called worst behavior by Kalani and I think Quinn I think I've heard that song I love it I love Kalani have you ever heard her first I'll die just totally interrupted you I'm so sorry.

19:20No, you're so good. Where are you going? Have you ever heard her album, You Should Be Here? Is that her first? Yeah, one of my favorite albums of all time. She's so fucking good. Yeah, she's incredible. I love her stuff. Yeah. So you've been listening to Georgiana, Kehlani. And then old stuff, some Nina Simone. I don't know, a lot of goodies. I'm always hitting shuffle. I'm just like seeing what's coming up. Oh, you're a shuffle girl? Yeah, are you? No. Are you a playlist? I'm a cu-er. Okay, wait, can I ask you something? Yeah. Do you use... Spotify, Apple Music, what's your... Spotify. Really?

19:53Apple Music. Why? No, Spotify is confusing to me. What do you mean? I will teach you. Spotify, I've used Spotify since, I think I was like one of the first users. Really? I remember using it when I was 12 years old. So that must have been 2012. Okay, well you were like super tapped in. No, I... You get it, you understand it. Well, because I always used to buy songs on iTunes and I would always have to ask my parents, can I buy this song? Can I buy this song? Can I buy this song? and it was really difficult and I would have to go on like LimeWire and I'd have to go on like YouTube if I wanted to like listen to stuff and then Spotify came out and my life was changed.

20:27What about SoundCloud? Did you ever hit SoundCloud? I was a SoundCloud kid for a little just with like certain like I would listen to like the Big Booty remix on SoundCloud. Drake had this like Nico cover of These Days on SoundCloud that I would listen to all the time. There were certain SoundCloud songs that I would listen to like all the time. I would listen to a lot of like unreleased Azealia Banks on SoundCloud. Wow. What about you? Were you ever a SoundCloud kid? Absolutely. SoundCloud's the greatest. I'm still a SoundCloud kid. I go in there all the time. What do you listen to on SoundCloud that you can't unlike others?

20:57I just feel like there's like some, um, there's a song, it's called like Broken Memories or something by, I think it's this like rap group from Huntsville that I just, that I always listen to. Oh no way. That's Tennessee, right? Uh, Alabama. Totally. Yeah. Okay. Um, shit like that. Yeah. Yeah. Do you, does your whole family still live in Alabama. So when did you move out here? Like a year ago. And how are you liking it? It's cool. I definitely like miss the South a lot. Um, I miss Nashville for sure. Yeah. I lived there before for a while, but I don't know. What do you think of it out here? I love it more than anything.

21:32I've been here for seven years. I'll never leave. Really? Wait, where'd you come from? New York. Oh, wow. I know. Well, I was born here and then I moved to New York when I was two and then I moved around New York a little bit and I moved back here for college when I was 18. Wow. And then I never left. Okay. That's fair for you to say then. Yeah. I just love it. I love it. I love it. I love it. I don't know why I like it so much. I just think it's like, I think for what I do and my job, like it's easier. Definitely. I mean, you'd be coming here all the time on planes. That's what I'm thinking. That's why I'm here.

22:03Yeah. But like at the same time, I'm like, do you live alone or I live alone? Yeah. What's that like? Um, I'm kind of like an introvert. So I like living alone. Really? Yeah. I like having my space. I don't know but it would be fun to have roommates I'm just like where do you get them you well I I got all my roommates from college oh see that's nice yeah but college is overrated really IMO like it's like I was so over it by sophomore year freshman year I was like no fucks given like partied I would I would go out my schedule was Wednesday Thursday Friday Saturday shut up going out yes it was amazing it was literally like I thought like I was amazing I thought I was the coolest person on God's green earth like did you ever have that period in college where you're like I am the shit okay cool so um I literally it got so old so fast I was like wait I think I'm depressed and then I was like I can't I hate this and then I was like oh my god I need a job so then I got an internship the summer of my freshman year and I got fired no what'd you do I went on my phone and I fell asleep at the desk yeah that'll happen and And then I started working at a record label and I was like, okay, this is much better college.

23:18Whoa. Yeah. That's crazy. Yeah. It was, that's how I ended up here. Did you like the record label? Loved more than anything. I could have, I was literally like before this, I was like, I'm going to go into A &R like this is like my life path. And the guy I was working for, I was an assistant, um, became my manager. Wow. Yeah. That is crazy. Yeah. That's such an interesting like story. I know. it's weird because he always like made jokes like if anything ever happens I'll manage you if anything ever happens I'll manage you and then it did happen and he started managing it that's so bizarre I know wow hell yeah right so you do you see yourself living in LA for a while or do you want to go anywhere else um yeah I'll probably be here for a while but I want to move to London eventually I've had this conversation I swear to god three times in the past day really I also want to move to London should we all just go at the same time yes I like really fuck with it there how long How many times have you been there?

24:14Only a couple, like three times. And what neighborhood do you stay when you're there? I'm not sure. Totally. I think all different parts. But I love it. And I think all the buildings are so cute. And the roads are cobblestone and shit. Well, it's just such a historical city. I feel like there's so much more history to it. Yeah. It's so beautiful there. And the people. I like accents a lot. Me too. I love your accent. Oh, thank you. Do you think you have an accent? No, not at all. You do. You have a little southern twang. I'm obsessed. Does your family have accents? Definitely. My brother's like super country.

24:43Where is, how old's your brother? Uh, 22. And what, is he in college? Uh, no, he actually goes on tour with me. Oh, no, what? What? Yeah, yeah. Wait, so it's like a whole family affair. Does your whole family go on tour with you? No, just my brother. And do you guys get along? Yeah. No, we get along great, actually. And how did that start? How did that working relationship start? Um, well, he's always just played guitar ever since I was little, and I would always like sing with him, so it was always just like a thing. Um, and yeah, and when I started going on tour, I was like, you should come with me.

25:11with me and the rest is history and then do your parents like come to a lot of stops or my mom comes when she can she she works a lot so it's like it's tough sometimes and i have a little brother oh no um yeah he's like 15 so she can't like leave him all the time and shit does he think it's like the coolest thing in the world what you do no not at all i think he's like whatever are you serious i i feel like i don't know we don't really talk about it much yeah you just like that's my job and that's it yeah okay when's the last time you went back to Alabama it's been a while like Christmas really yeah do you like going back I do like going back I get I get antsy if I'm there for too long I got that like I need to work I like hate not working me too yeah it's awful I feel like I'm you probably too I feel like I'm addicted to it I'm just addicted I think maybe to the attention yeah no that's fair yeah like I think I'm addicted to like the attention that what I do for work brings me wow yeah no I'd agree with that like I love getting told that I'm doing a good job or I like someone getting, laughing at my jokes or telling me that like, I'm, you know what I mean?

26:14Like, so now I'm like, thank God I do this. Cause I, I used to like, I used to love work, but I used to not be like, I used to like if I was on vacation, I wouldn't like complain. Right. But now I'm like, I think that just means we really love it though. Yeah. You know, and we're so blessed to do something that we like get up every day and are excited about. A hundred percent. That's so fucking cool. When did you feel like everything kind of shifted for you and you were like, oh, this is my job now I don't know I feel like I've always maybe I feel like I always knew I was going to do this it was something that I journaled about for like ever since I was like 10 11 12 um I remember like sitting my mom down and being like I'm going to do this she was like okay and I just like hustled and now I'm here but I don't know I think that definitely there's been a lot of like moments on TikTok that have been super like helpful in making songs bigger and stuff like that.

27:06So I don't know. I'm not sure. What about you? When I was like, I'm doing this for a job. It was probably when I like officially quit my day job. Was that scary? So scary. Yeah, that's such a big decision. I was like, uh, what? Well, what if this doesn't work out? I kind of like held on to it as long as I possibly could. And then I was like, this just isn't making sense for me anymore. Yeah. When I made that decision, I was like, oh, now this feels like my work. Because then at the time this felt just like fun and I was lucky. And then I was like, okay, I need to do things with a little more intent and a little more seriousness.

27:42I mean, that takes balls, too. To quit your job? Yeah. Well, it takes balls for you as well. I feel like music is one of the most vulnerable forms of creativity there is. I agree, but I also think that what you do is very vulnerable. Really? I would fucking hate to sit and talk all day. I would hate it. I guess. It's just like you as a person. Yeah. Just on blast all day. If someone's like shitting on you, like it's not like, they're not like shitting on what you created. They're shitting on you. As a human. Yeah. What you do is much more scary in my opinion. Oh, okay. Well, I don't believe that that's true, but I appreciate you saying that.

28:16Right. Because like when people shit on me, it's like about music. It's about something I create, you know? Do you read like comments and criticism online or? Of course. Do you? Oh, every day. How do you not? Every day. Every day. I Google myself once a day. I get up and I'm like, oh, fuck. Yeah. It's summer. You need to leave your house. I understand during winter, we don't like to leave our houses. During summer, it is time. The weather is warm. We need to go outside. And the best place to leave your house for is for a live event, okay? Whether that be comedy, whether that be a concert, whether that be a Broadway play, whatever it may be.