Session 84: HAIM

29:07I toured the world with another band. It's okay. I was in college Alana was still in high school I was a senior in high school And then how did you guys Like get together and start Well it was with Danielle Danielle When she By the way we've had people Ask us how we met No you haven't Yes Yes I swear to god I swear What do you say Very smart people By the way Like what do they say No but not only that It's like it's fine If someone asks If they have no context But like it was someone Who was like trying to work With us in the music business Yeah Literally I was like We had a meeting with somebody And after like an hour And a half of talking to them they were like so how did you guys meet and we were like this is not i thought it was like i thought i started laughing because i was like that's a good one it's a good one sisters and he we were like what do you mean and he was like well how did you guys meet you obviously started a band together like what how did you meet and i was like we can't be on the same vagina we're sisters and then he was like oh also i feel like we look alike you do look alike right I don't know.

30:08I feel like we don't look that much different. Like one of us didn't put an ad on Craigslist with a photo. It'd be like, join my band. Searching for a band member. No. But no, we basically officially started when I was a senior in high school. And I kind of knew I didn't want to go away for college. I wanted to do like, well, you didn't get into college. Both you and me didn't get into college. Nice try. Didn't get into college. How many colleges did you guys apply to? I have well my parents wanted us to go to I see went to college so like my parents I don't remember I graduated she's the genius of the family it's like a hard school to get into it's a really hard school and then you guys both didn't know me and Danielle we were like I well Danielle was a senior when I was a freshman and Danielle basically we never went to school she was my carpool driver she was my carpool driver to school we never went to school and I just knew I didn't want to go to college but yeah I was Alana's I was drove carpool when I was a senior and Alana was a freshman and And I just basically I would like drop the other kids off and I'd look at a lot.

31:07I'd be like, do you want to go to start? Literally, it was like Starbucks. We wouldn't even do anything fun. We would just sit at Starbucks. Starbucks and like read magazines. Yeah, that was all we did. We were just sitting at Starbucks. Way better than sitting in class. Yeah. We wouldn't even like. Now at this point, I'm like, I feel like I should have gotten to class more because we really did. I know. I needed school. Which is so funny because I feel like Danielle, you would be like the person that would have No, I hated school. So we were like in a family band with our parents, but we never wrote songs.

31:33Our parents were never songwriters. They just loved the act of playing covers with us in the living room. And we played shows, but it was always for charity. So it was kind of an epiphany. I was like, wait, I think I want to try writing a song with my sisters. So it was really us starting to write songs that we were like, well, maybe we should perform them as a band in LA. And I had just graduated high school. And so from basically 2007, which is when I graduated high school, and then until we got signed in 2012. So for basically five years, we just gigged in LA, like anywhere we could get gigs.

32:11Every venue. Every parking lot. Every parking lot. Literally. Parking lot. Jinx. Yeah. Troubadour and a lot on the east side. Yeah, the smell, the echo, Silver Lake Lounge. The satellite. The satellite. We played a pancake breakfast. Which was called Spaceland. Early in the morning, like 7 in the morning we played a show. It was so fun. I mean, the Roxy. Like, anywhere. Anywhere that would have us. Honestly, I forgot how many times we played the Hotel Cafe. I passed by on Kowango the other day. I was like, oh my God, how many times we played that Hotel Cafe? We were like, we would open up for anybody that would just let us open up for them.

32:44We would never headline. We honestly didn't headline a show until our album came out. We could hardly headline a venue in LA. No one wanted to give us, like, a headlining spot. Yeah, but it wasn't until we finally released our EP that we started getting attention. And then it was like easier to book shows and then basically got signed out of the UK first, not even in America. No one here wanted to sign us. No one wanted to sign us here. Was it online attention? It was basically like the online attention that helped us eventually get signed. Was it Tumblr? Because it wasn't, we were just, you know what?

33:14Was it Tumblr? I don't know. Yeah, I feel like we were in the Tumblr age. I feel like there was so much music. We were in the Tumblr age. Partly Tumblr. but no our song started getting played this like lovely amazing woman named marianne hobbs who was a dj on xfm in the uk found our ep it was like a free that we just put it up for free we were like yay and she started playing on the radio she started playing one of our songs called better off on the radio in the uk i mean we were playing to like four people in la right and but like all of a sudden getting we were like a lot of people from like england are liking our like myspace like yeah what like that's so weird oh my gosh so we ended up playing the great escape which is like the south by southwest of the uk it's in brighton and then that was that we got signed out of the uk but still no one in america wanted to sign us yeah it wasn't until the next year that america was the labels here were kind of like oh we should sign this band but did you feel like were there ever was there ever a moment where you're like well not to be like whatever because it's your album title now but were you wanted to quit oh my god we wanted honestly we had such weird delusion we were delulu bears like i when i think about it i'm like we really just had this like fire in us that we were like we're gonna do this as hard like we're just gonna keep going until we're bleeding like until like blood comes out of our eyes like we just never wanted to stop because we had so much fun playing live we were like we were happy to have day jobs and play live on the weekends, like, that was, like, a happy place.

34:46Like, the fact that we got to go on tour was such a gift, and, like, when we got signed, like, but when I say, like, when we were playing all those venues in LA, like, there was never a point where we were like, oh, we don't want to do this anymore. We were like, just happy to play. We were like, I was like working at Crossroads Trading Company, Essie was working at Wasteland, and Essie, I mean, Essie worked at the Cheesecake Factory, and I worked at the Daily Grill, the Daily Grill, the counter, the counter, ooh. I know the counter's so good.

35:14Yeah, cheesecake is like, that's my... Oh, cheesecake is amazing. What was your cheesecake order? Oh, I know mine. As a diabetic, again, shout out to my diabetics, I love the Oreo cookie cheesecake is my favorite. That sounds good. But I was talking about this the other day. So I worked with the one at the Sherman Oaks Galleria in Sherman Oaks. And back in the day, it was attached to... Well, there's still a movie theater there, but back then it was like the Arclight. Oh, I passed this movie theater. No, it was a Pacific Theater. It was Pacific Theater. It was Pacific Theater. No, it was an Arclight.

35:44Not yet. Not when you worked there. Essie, I was the queen of the Galleria. Essie, it was a Pacific theater. Pull it up.

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37:40I loved the oh the cheddar. No no no no no no no no no. The clam chowder. Clam chowder. When you were a hostess at the Cheesecake Factory like it was such it was like so fun to go there with my friends. It was the coolest thing that you were the hostess there. Why because it'd be like I'll bump you up on the list. No SC would give us free french fries. Yeah. Free drinks. And Cokes. Free drinks. Because we had to-go cups. So I would give, like, I would make Shirley Temples for Alana. Yeah. And all of her friends. Yeah, all of my friends. So they would all come in, like, 20 of her friends. Well, because notoriously no dudes ever wanted to make out with me in seventh grade.

38:17So having a sister that worked at the Cheesecake Factory, like, I would somehow think that, like, my sister working at the Cheesecake Factory is going to get these dudes to think that I'm cool. So I would bring, like, all the hot guys. And I'd be like, Esty, can you just? She'd be like, again, Alana? Oh, really? Bringing 25 people here? French fries. that you have them again. 25, like, 13-year-old boys with braces. And I'm like, just this one. Just please, this one. Can you just give me some french fries? And I did. She did every time. And I did. She did every time. I feel like we were in a fight, like, two seconds ago, and I didn't like it.

38:49I apologize. It's fine. But I just, I don't want us to fight anymore. I feel like you're literally, like, closing yourself off to me right now. I see it. I'm apologizing. You guys have to make up. I know. We're making up. We made up. Give me my go-go juice, and maybe I'll feel better. Okay. You deserve it. Thank you. You deserve it. Have a sip. Okay, you can talk about your story that you want to say. So, okay, so on Valentine's Day what I did, because Cheesecake Factory doesn't take reservations. They don't, huh? No reservations. Yeah. Genius. Yeah. So these men would come in at like five, on Valentine's Day, it's February 14th, like the day of love.

39:31You've known that it's this day. it doesn't change. It's the same day every single year. Right, of course. And all the girlies were all there were like five hostesses because it's a giant restaurant. We're all standing there and we start to see these men coming in being like okay, I know that it's like a 30 minute wait but is there any way that like like I know it's Valentine's Day and like I have a movie at the Pacific Theater that I really have to make and if it's a 30 minute wait I can't go. And we were like, okay. So they were leveling you like, I didn't make a reservation. Yeah. Well, because there is no, you can't make a reservation.

40:10So she's a factory. So they were like, is there any way? And I wouldn't like us. We were at first. We were like, sure. Okay, sure. I'll like try to get you in 20 minutes earlier. And then by like six, me and all my gal pals were like, what the fuck? Like, how dare you not get a reservation? For these magical, magical ladies. Like, you could figure out the movie, but you couldn't figure out a reservation. I'm sorry. No more. And then when the men would come up and be like, oh, can you please? We'd be like, so this was what I started saying. There's a menu. It's really thick. There's a lot of things to buy at the Cheesecake Factory.

40:56You're going to open it. You're going to put a$100 bill in there. and then you're going to give it back to me. And then we'll see how quickly I can get you a reservation. How many men do you think did that that night? How many? 23 men. No. 23 men. I made 2 ,300. But you split it with the - But I had to split it with the other gals. Because it was for all of us. Yeah. I'm a team player. Yeah. No, but we actually, because I knew that this happened, but we just ran into Esty's hostess. Shout out to Carolyn. And she was like, remember Valentine's Day. It's like a thing that everyone remembers. Remember what we did on Valentine's Day.

41:36We made these men suffer. And did you get in trouble for it? No. No, they never found out. That's beautiful. No. And you know what? Get a reservation for your significant other on Valentine's Day. Make a reservation. Make a reservation. Don't go to the Cheesecake Factory. You're going to pay. And you know what? No. Or go to the Cheesecake Factory. Go to the Cheesecake Factory. Absolutely. But like. Get there early. Get there early. Have a plan. Get there early. Have a plan. Make a plan. I was like, anyway. So I made a lot of money that night. and I think I bought a Michael Kors purse with the money I did.

42:02Ooh, cute. I went to Macy's and I bought my first Michael Kors purse. All from We love Michael Kors. All from Men's tears. Men's tears. Men's tears. Men's sadness. Wait, so which of you lived in New York again? I just did a stint in New York. No, but like early on. Didn't you live in New York for a minute? I lived in New York a little bit when I was touring with Julian because he's kind of like Mr. Manhattan. Right. Like the stroke. Because the Chissé Factories remind me of did you ever go to Halen Hardy? No. I wasn't that deep. I've heard about it. Isn't there like there's like soup and. What is it?

42:34It closed down. It closed down. Was it a chain? Yes, it was a chain. It was the soup and sandwich place. Yeah. No, I want to try it. It's fun. It was awesome. I know. We really want to be New Yorker. I mean, at least I'm speaking for myself. I do love soup. Oh, it was the greatest soup in the world. It was the greatest soup in the entire world. Danielle loves soup. Where's your favorite soup in LA? She makes soup. Oh, wait. What is your favorite soup in LA? Oof. I love the Viet Noodle Bar chicken pho. Where? It's an Atwater. It's an Atwater. But there is one on the west side, too. I think there is, too.

43:06I really love that soup. Controversial statement, I don't like soup. What? I know. It's crazy. It's weird. I don't know what it is about soup. It's just too hot. I get it. I only like hot beverages. Even if it's hot outside, I want a hot coffee. There is not. That's where you guys. But I respect it. like it could be 100 degrees out and you'll be having a hot coffee yes she's one of those people I wouldn't have like a hot coffee I'd have like a hot espresso if it's like boiling and I need some caffeine like I wouldn't you know what I mean you know actually that technically cools you down yes it does it cools you down it raises your core temperature or something yes and then it's like you're not as hot it's something weird goes on I can't do that the outside somehow feels colder yes science Yeah, because your core is so.

43:55I know, you guys went to school. We did that. We did that. We went to school. We need help. We did go to school, and we graduated. We need help. Me and Danielle, we need help. It's okay. Wait, so tell me about the album title then. I quit. I quit. So, you go first. Okay, I quit. It's kind of been like a sister inside joke since we were like children. Oh, that's sweet. Because we watched this movie. I don't know if you've seen, have you seen that thing you do? Okay. We'll have a night. Go watch That Thing You Do. It's an amazing movie. Tom Hanks. He wrote it. He wrote it. He directed it. But it's about this band.

44:35We were also young girls that loved watching movies. You love watching movies about musicians. I love Almost Famous. I love That Thing You Do. But it's about a band that comes together. They write a song called That Thing You Do. And it skyrockets through the charts. They get number one. There's like a, there's a, Liv Tyler's in it. Oh, I love her. You guys know Leftovers? I mean, I love HBO. I love it. And we're back. HBO Max. HBO Max. No, the Leftovers, I just finished Leftovers. Life changing. It's so good. Justin Theroux. The hottest person on God's green earth. You guys are going to need to offline about this.

45:14It makes me sick. I know people offline about it. Yeah, he's sexual. It's weird because I'm sort of friends with him. No. I know, I'm sort of, sort of. Like, we have a lot of mutual friends that I've hung out with him a couple times, and, like, I've had conversations with him. Nice, nice man. Maybe saying friends is, like, one step too far, but I do know him. He's everything to me. He's everything. He's everything to me. And he's nice. He seems it. He's so nice. He seems it. He's so nice. Like, the scenes of him getting out of the bathtub butt naked. Stop it. Don't do it. What? Spoiler alert. I need to watch this.

45:45You guys, he comes out, he's, like, lathered in, like, water and oil. his abs are like washed for oh my god I know like oh my god I know guess what I'm also watching tonight running down don't you even start he's running and his bulge his bulge is like swinging back and forth I'm clenching no you guys I'm clutching my pearls it is like I watched that and I rewinded I was like did I just see what I think I saw yes I'm like gonna be sick thinking about it we have to move on honestly thank god for HBO Max no thank god Any Mad Men fans out there? Biggest Mad Men fan. I never got behind Mad Men. That's where me and Danielle connect.

46:26I never got behind it. I don't know why. My parents were like, how could you not? And I was like, I don't know. You know what? I'm sort of with you. I did love the show. I did love the show, but not as much as The Leftovers. The Leftovers changed my perspective on life. I was like, oh my God. Brilliant concept. Yes. Brilliant concept for a show. And also, have you ever met a sadder character than Carrie Coons on that show? Never. I'm like, my life is great compared to hers. Honestly, that was also the reason I watched season three of White Lotus. She killed it. She's phenomenal. She is, I've never met her.

46:59If, Carrie, if you're watching, I also want to be your tangential friend. Like, a la Justin Theroux. Like, we can be at that level and I'll be fine. Like, you guys, like, you will be sick too. No, no. I love how you say Liv Tyler has started this whole tangent. I mean, also, like, I love, I mean, Liv Tyler is also just such a babe. Oh, the hottest ever. Wait, sorry. Sorry, sorry, sorry. You quit. Yeah, we will. Here, can y 'all? We're literally screaming. Has there ever been a more chaotic episode? No, this is an instant classic already. I'm telling you right now. Literally. She's like geeking out.

47:32Okay. You tell us if we're being too much. I am going in if we're being too much. This couldn't be more perfect if it tried. Okay, great. Like, really and truly, I'm like happy. Okay, great. Okay, great, great, great, great, great, great, great. I know you would tell me. Yeah, I would. I know you would tell me, like, get it together. Okay, so let me explain our album title. Let's go back to the question. Sorry, Justin. Okay. Okay, so our album title starts with this movie called That Thing You Do, Live Tyler, We Stand. But there's this scene at the very end where Jimmy, who is the lead singer of The Wonders, the band in this movie, he's told by Tom Hanks to make a song that's peppy and snappy.

48:10Because they're basically a one-hit wonder. They're a one-hit wonder. They're like, you need another hit. You need another hit. We want something peppy. We want something sappy. Right, right. And Jimmy wants to notoriously do a song that's sad and slow. We hate Jimmy. We love the actor, but we hate Jimmy as a character. And he comes up to the mic, and it's like one of those hanging mics, so it's like this. Yeah, yeah. It's like this. He's at Capitol Records Studio. I'll hold it. And he goes, okay, ready? I'm trying to get a good angle. Here we go. I quit. I quit. I quit. I quit, Mr. White. And it was like a thing that me and my siblings Honestly, thank you That was awesome If you watch the movie, you're going to be like That was a perfect representation I'm a set designer But basically growing up When we would have to check a mic Or we would be in the studio checking the mic We would always say, I quit We would sing the song And so while we were making this album We started doing that And then one day We were like, why don't we just like for the like for right now let's name it i quit like let's just like put it as the file title i quit and then once we were listening like finally when all the songs were done and we were listening back to all the songs all of the songs had um like it was like we were quitting something that would make our lives better like every song kind of has this like one thing where it was like oh we quit that while we were making the album and then we like looked at each other and we're like, should we name the album I Quit?

49:44And it kind of took on. It kind of made us laugh. It made us laugh. And if something kind of makes us laugh, we're like, maybe that's not good. I mean, we named it. Our last album was Women in Music Part 3. It made us laugh. This one made us laugh. And that's when we know that things are in the right direction. I love the album. Thank you. I'll tell you my two favorite songs. Tell me right now. Love You Right. And Cry. Oh my God. Cry's my favorite.

50:10Cry's my favorite. I sing that one. Yeah, it's my favorite on the album. It's the first time. Did I not just say that? I was like, this was my favorite. Estee, that's the first time Estee's singing lead. Yes, cry is my favorite. It's so good. Thank you. It's my favorite. Love You, Write, and Cry. Those are my two. Oh, I love that. The whole album's incredible, but those two really, like, hit for me. Thank you. Oh, I love that. Thank you. Yeah, it's beautiful. Thank you so much. It's, like, synthy. It's, like, cool. It's, yes. I mean, I put, like, talk about, like, tears. lots of like lots and lots and lots of SD tears went into making that song.

50:42Did you write it all yourself? No, no, no, no. We write everything together. Okay. But we talk about I come into the studio very upset that day. After kind of getting a really shitty text from an ex that I hadn't spoken to in a long time. Why was it so shit? We can cut it. Why was it so shit? We can cut it. I'm just kind of curious. I feel like He basically, he basically was like, I basically caught him cheating. Uh-huh. And I told all of his friends that he cheated on me. And then he was like, you're a piece of shit for not keeping this. Like. No. Just like what you're such a, like, you're so immature.

51:23Like, why did you have to like tell everyone and like air out this dirty laundry? And I was like, are you fucking kidding me? Are you fucking kidding me? I'm an asshole? If Estee could buy a billboard and put his face on it and say, cheater, she would. Yeah, I totally would. I mean, I would never give him that sort of energy because he doesn't deserve it. But it really like it, it cut me in such a way where I because I was already like grieving this. I had just found out this was like months after we had broken up. But I had just found out that like he was cheating on me the entire time. Right.

51:57Really bad. And so I was just like I was confronted with that. And then on top of that to then get a text from him that was like, you're the piece of shit. You're you're the problem. Right. I was like devastated I was like I can't believe you're turning this around on me right in what world so I just came in and I was like I can't stop I just literally could not stop and it was me and Danielle were like put in a song like keep going like yes here's the mic I literally was like go for it yeah there you go okay so literally so anyway so yeah and then I cried and then you wrote cry and then she cried and then she wrote a song about it and then and honestly i know that a lot of artists talk about it but like it really is the most cathartic thing yeah to do is to like just get it out and like write about it sing about it talk about it i'm lucky that like as collaborators danielle and alana i don't think any of us are ever like like we don't poo poo anything we're never like absolutely not it's like try it and then you can hear if it works or not and like so we always are just experimenting in the studio um and yeah i mean that's all of our music i think so wait what year was this this was 2022 three yes and three and three yeah yeah until the like beginning of 24 i've been single the whole god damn time wasn't that the theme of your birthday yes yes and no i have i've never been more single but you made out i kissed a bunch of hot men yes wait did that guy we were talking about come oh my god i don't remember wait which guy no i don't think so i don't you know exactly who i'm talking about no he didn't okay i think i remember who you're talking about i think no no no no no no no but danielle danielle was like danielle thought like danielle's dms are open you guys can people just slide into danielle's the way in which like i don't know mine are dry as fuck i don't even i'm like what is why i don't know on two you're the most amazing people like you guys need what is happening is when i start i don't know if you're the same way when i start talking to someone and they start giving me the time of day i'm like i'm over it oh no i'm not like that like literally like no i want to be wanted danielle's serial monogamous but right i think the universe is telling you that you i mean not to be like so universe but like i feel like the universe is telling me you need to be single i need to be single sure fine so now's like fine i'll take it i guess single for since 2022 oh you're fine i know no i woke up like three mornings ago actually just being like you know what i'm actually so excited for single summer i'm excited yeah i'm ready i'm ready look i'm ready it is it's summer it's summer it's everything it's all the summers like it's a yearning summer yes i'm ready to yearn i love that and for someone to yearn for you by the way and for you to accept that someone is yearning for you.

54:57I know, but I just like, I get the ick so easily. I know. I got it the other day and I was like, God damn it. When did you meet your loving fiancé? My loving fiancé? I met my loving fiancé in 2023. So I was basically single for a year and a half. Estee got swooped real quick. I did. But listen, the time before I met my fiancé was real fun. It was really, really fun. I loved it. We wrote many, many a song about it. But then I met my fiance and he's the best and he's really one of the good ones. One heim down. One heim down. Two to go. Two to fucking go. Not uncuffing this one. Is that what relationships is about?

55:41Relationships is more like towards. Actually relationships was for women in music part three. We started in 2018. It's an older song. Some songs on albums, I feel like everyone kind of goes through this but there's always like a problem child like there's always like one song that you can't get right and relationships was like so hard to figure out but we knew it was a good song because we loved it so much and we just like there's like 17 versions of it or like 18 versions of it and then we brought it to rostam our producer and we he like helped us organize our thoughts about it but yeah no it took a long time to get that song right up and running but yeah okay question okay did you guys this is so off topic.

56:22I'm so sorry. No, please. But now that I have you here, I have to ask. Tell me. Evermore is my favorite Taylor Swift album of all time. Did you guys do No Body, No Crime in studio with her? No, it was COVID. It was COVID. But that is my favorite Taylor Swift album of all time. It's amazing. That and 1989 Taylor's version. Those two are like my things. But I remember listening to Evermore with like my mom when it first came out. So I'll just never forget that. It was such a special time. It was such a special record. It's such an honor to be like in her universe. That is crazy. Crazy. It's so fun.

56:53Okay, another question. You guys were talking about in the movie, what is it? That's Just How It Is? That thing you do. Are we writing? I thought it was what I was going to say. You're writing a movie? No, should we write a movie called That's Just How It Is? Yes, that is just how it is. That's just how it is. That's just how it is. That is just how it is. It's kind of like he's just not that into you. Yeah. That's just how it is. And just like that. That's just how it is. Then that's the tagline. is like hey babe wait we should and that's just how it is you heard it here first yeah you did hear it here first um that thing you do yes and they talk about their one hit wonder when you guys first popped off and like the wire really took off was there ever like a fear that like oh we're not gonna top this oh my god no did it did the wire pop off um yeah good um no honestly like with our first album we were just so excited to have it i feel like i keep on saying we're so excited like we genuinely were just so excited to get out of LA and be able to do this as a job like the amount of like gratitude and happiness music has brought all three of us and the fact that we can do it together is like mind-blowing I mean think about my parents they're like I don't even know how my parents deal they're like our girls they're together playing music like my parents it's their dream like they're extremely proud and amazing I love my parents but um it's just been like the best like when I remember like this feeling that I had putting out Days Are Gone is like the same feeling that I've had with every single album we've put out like it's never lost on me like how insane that we get to put out albums so like I'm we're just like in this like fun euphoric zone of like because we've been working on these songs on this album for you know a couple years now and like now the fact that you even said like that you love cry and love you right I'm like oh my god I can't believe you heard it like it's just like I haven't wrapped my head around that yet but it's the best it's so fun it's like the best job ever I really want to see a show oh my god come on the forum babe when is the forum October 9th oh I'll be there yeah everybody come I'll be there I'm here great and then what else was I well I do want to ask you guys what you're therapist about what I'm therapist oh no sorry before that you're working with Terry.

59:07Yes. What's that like? He's the greatest of all time. We've known Terry for, it feels like forever. We've been friends with him. When Benny and Terry moved to LA, Benny reached out to us to do like a Halloween. Yeah, during COVID. During COVID, like a Halloween. He was doing like a Halloween. Yeah, I did think I saw this. He did like a Hocus Pocus themed video in the middle of COVID. Alana was filming her movie. I couldn't be in it because I was filming Licorice Pizza and I was like in a COVID bubble doing that. And so we had such huge fans of Benny just online. And so he like came over. We had never met him before.

59:43He's the best of all time. He's the best. And Terry was with him and Terry was filming it. And we just like struck up such a great friendship with them. And so, yeah, that was like, we've been like working together now for a long time. I love them. We just love somebody that like loves our references just as much as we do. Like, well, we text Terry. Like I text Terry more than anyone on this planet. I feel like. He responds fast. He responds so fast. I'm like, when do you sleep? I don't know what's going on. But no, any type of idea that we have, like a cuckoo crazy idea, he's just like so game.

1:00:14Like the best person ever. So nice to have someone that's like, let's do it. Right. Is he like creative directing? What's he? Yeah, I mean, he's been taking our single photos. All our single artwork. It's based on iconic paparazzi shots. We have the same references. So like we'll send him, like we sent him that Kate Moss Kate Moss infamous photo and he was like oh yeah got you like sailors and the Nicole Kidman yes and the ScarJo it's so nice to like be creative with someone yeah like who has your same references and again like he's like let's just shoot it we're like well should we get a photographer he's like I can do it he is so fucking talented he's just so talented with everything and it's just so nice.

1:01:05He's the best. He's the best. Just to bounce ideas off of. I wish I could be in a relationship with him and Benny. I know. We talked about it all the time. I wish that I could just be like, can I just live with you guys? I don't know, can we be roommates? They're the perfect couple. I'm like, I will never. Also, it gives me hope in life. I'm just like, they seem like actual puzzle pieces. No, they are and their wedding's going to be amazing whenever that may be. whatever that may be. We've already said we're DJing, we're playing. Yeah, we're playing. We're officiating. I'll sing them down the aisle.

1:01:36Like, I don't know. It's going to be awesome. Star set it. Star set it. I want to live on like a lavender farm with them. Yeah. That's what I think. I feel like we all need to start to move to a lavender farm. No. It smells so good. I know. Be calming. Yeah. A lavender farm. I like that. I used to have like a teddy bear that I would heat up in the microwave. And then. Lavender. Lavender. Yeah. Soothing. So soothing. Okay, what are you guys therapists about? Oh my God. What are we pissed about? They were pissed about. I'm therapist that we're not going to be together for a long time. Like, I feel like I'm not going to see you for so long.

1:02:09I'm kind of sad about it now too. I know. Like, I feel like we just like scratched the surface. Well, little dumps was the first. Yes. Now we're in like the second layer. I know. And like, we're almost at that third. I feel like we all, we like, we have so much to talk. We have a whole lifetime of talking. Well, you know, we're about to get into gossip central right after this. Yes. Which I have been thinking about. I'm so pumped. I have, two insane stories. Oh, I'm fucking ready. Two insane stories that I'm about to tell you. You will not even believe. You know what? I probably will. I probably will.

1:02:41Okay, great. So should we get into the tell me what's wrongs? Yes. Oh my god. Here we go. Okay. I've asked my boyfriend multiple times to stop liking bikini and thirst trap pictures of other girls on Instagram. He always says he will, but then continues to do so. I don't think he's doing anything with other people, but it hurts my feelings, especially when the girls don't look anything like me. Help. Wait. Okay. We have all dealt with this issue. Yes. And it is crazy. Stop doing that. I agree. Stop. It's not okay. Yeah, what's the point? It's not okay. Stop. What are they looking? And then when you bring it up, when you bring it up, it's so gaslighting.

1:03:18It is. They're like, what do you mean? Like, it's just like, I just like a lot of people. I just like the photo. What's the big deal? What's the big deal? I'm like, like, no, like all the pictures are gorgeous i mean the women are amazing and gorgeous like i'm jelly the women are beautiful but like i'm like can we not do that it makes me feel like do you see it in their likes like do you like see likes by and you're like yeah we follow the same people i'm just like i can see the name like we're not doing it secretly if it makes you feel uncomfortable and they don't understand where you're coming from because that's like a very it's a way of Flirting, I think.

1:03:52Yes, I think it's cheating. I agree. I think it's cheating. And I do think where there's smoke, there's fire. I know that she's saying, I don't think anything's going on. I think that's like the first step of three steps to the cheat zone. Yes. Do you know what I mean? Like the actual, like the act of cheating. Did your ex do that ever? Yes. Yeah. He gaslit me and he was like, what's the big deal? Why is that a problem? I'm not doing anything wrong. It makes you feel like you're crazy. How is that doing anything wrong? I'm not touching anyone. I'm not talking to anyone. I'm not like, why is that wrong?

1:04:21It makes me upset. But so I said. It's right. Yeah. And you were right. You're right. And I was completely right. Get out of there. Get out of here. So break up. You'll find somebody that will not do that. Okay. I think breaking up is, you don't want to be rash, but I do think that it's worth one last call. Yes. Taking a look at it. Like, just being like, listen, this really, really. Bothers me. Bothers me. And as someone that I think is my partner, like we're partners here. We're on the same team. You should be able to just be like, you know what? It's an easy. affecting my partner, I'm going to look at myself and I'm going to stop.

1:04:57And if they do that, continue on. That's great. That is the mature thing to do. If you say it one more time and they don't do it, then I think you kind of have to look at it and be like, get out of there. Why am I wasting my time on someone that isn't going to take my feelings into account? Right. 100%. Agreed. God, I could be a therapist. You could. You really could. Am I calming? You are calming. You're lavender. Beyond. I'm lavender. What would you guys prescribe for that? For what? Like, what would you suggest that she watch or listen to? Oh. Listen to. I quit. Yes, we prescribe I quit. Honestly, we have a lot of thoughts that will make you want to scream out loud.

1:05:40Good one, good one. I'm deeply, deeply, deeply in love with my sister's best friend and have been since we were in high school. It's a classic sibling relationship, though. Like, she would rather die than see that happen. I already tried kissing her once and it didn't go well I'm coming back from college for a family event she'll be at do I shoot again or leave it? oh maybe leave it I think leave it so they shot their shot and it didn't work and it didn't work okay if it didn't work then I think you leave it because they're gonna have to come to you yeah agreed I feel like the ball is in the other person's court now you need to be yeah agreed yes Jake my roommate brought her new man over after a breakup and hooked up in my room while I was in class the picture of me and my boyfriend was knocked over on the floor confront or combust confront well i've boss oh and both yeah that's crazy why your room why is it why can't wait why can't they go to their room with like a bad roommate in college no my roommates were actually really sweet yeah i had really seems lucky they were really very lucky they respected my things but i had very i did have very respectful roommates this is a whole that's crazy That's crazy.

1:06:46That's crazy. That's crazy. Also, just like, I would not want to be on the mattress knowing what went down. No. Like, it's not even just like a clean the sheets kind of situation. Like, there's a mattress involved. You want to hear something crazy? I'm scared. One time, my friend got back from a weekend away, and she went to her room, and, oh, God, I hope I'm telling this story right. She sat down on her bed. I'm going to throw up. And it was. No. No. It was wet. It was wet? Like the whole thing was wet. Her roommate's brother slept in the bed, peed all over the bed, and just left it. That is so not okay.

1:07:24She was like, wait a minute. What? Are you fucking kidding me? No, the entire bed was soaking wet. I would be, I don't even know what I would do. I'd be in jail. I'd be in jail. How crazy is that? So she probably knew the brother as well. And she was like, bleep it. Like, what the fuck are you? What's wrong with you? And she was like, oh, sorry. Oh, sorry? Okay, the one thing I will say is like if I was her, I would, by the time my friend came back, if I knew that my brother had pissed in my best friend's bed. I cried. I would have gotten a mattress there. Like I would have made it, like it would have been Amazon immediately.

1:07:58Like I would have taken the cost. My brother got too drunk, peed in your bed, but I got you a new mattress. Maybe even bump it up one. Right. Getting a nice mattress. Or at least a new mattress pad. No. People are disrespectful. That's crazy. Like one time, my best friend Brett had a birthday party in her college house. And she came downstairs crying. And we were like, oh my God, Brett, what happened? 20 people were over for the pregame. 20 girls were over for the pregame. That's it. The party hadn't even started yet. Hysterically crying. Somebody shit on her bath mat. You're lying. No, took a shit.

1:08:30I have a photo of it. Shit on her bath mat. We looked around the room like we were in a game of Clue. Like who the fuck did it? Who took a shit on the bath mat? We have our assumptions. Wait. everyone always asks about how to maintain long distance relationships but what about long distance friendships i'm moving to college soon i want to stay in touch with my girls oh it's just calls yeah facetimes calls we got technology so great now we're always on the road every relationship we have is a long distance relationship basically yeah friendships romantic relationships parents right i feel like calls go a very long way like i feel like you can text text is always nice like text in and check with text and check in with your friends but like my real friends call me and like we have like five hour conversations like and it's like very comforting when you're not home to still have like a nice phone call or a facetime it feels better so text but also call and I think I do think I do think that like planning break like when you're on a break in college planning and being like listen i can't i can't come in to back home over the winter break but like let's do something spring break like making a plan right planning goes also like so then you have something to look forward to yes like it's always kind of like in the back of your mind like okay like three more weeks finals will be done and then i get to see samantha right back you know we're gonna go to cabo i've never been to cabo oh my god yeah It's so close.

1:10:01You should go. I know. So close. I need to go. It's so close. What did you guys do before, like, FaceTime? Oh, my God. I was just thinking, I was, like, with my college friends, I would do the one on Skype, iChat. Yeah, iChat. On, like, your Mac, too. iChat. iChat, yeah. I love that. You would do the effects. Yes. We used to have the, like, really bad, I mean, it never worked, but there was, like, an AOL one that you could use, like, the first generation. There was, like, a camera. A camera and, like, a little orb. At Best Buy. It never looked good. Like when we were like babies. It never worked.

1:10:34Do you remember when you would do iChat though? And you would be able to see if someone else was already busy on FaceTime with someone else? Yes, I would say. Do I remember that? It would say. Oh yeah. It would say they're busy. Like who are they talking to? Yeah. But if you saw both of your friends were busy without you and they wouldn't like, oh my god. Oh yeah. I'm getting more flashbacks. You're like, I'm going to call somebody right now. I'm getting. I'm about to three-way call both of them. I'd be like, let me in. Well, because they could let you in. Yeah. They didn't want to. That's annoying.

1:10:57That's upset. back then. This has been amazing. Okay, okay. Well, I have one last question for you guys. Okay. And I already know the answer. Okay. What did we learn today? That this is probably the most fun we've ever had. I know. Are you serious? I've had a lot of fun, too. I could do this for the next week. Wait, same. I don't want it to end. We could do five hours of this. Will you come back for your next album? Yes. Okay, cool. We'll just come back when we're bored. I'll just be like, I'm here. Please. I'm just going to move in here. This is a nice, cozy space. Will you guys really have fun?

1:11:25Come on tour. Yes. I do want to come and see you guys on tour. And I want to come to like a random city and like vibe out. Yes. Yeah. Oh my God. Come on down. You say when? Okay. Well, stream Himes new album. I quit out June 20th. And thank you guys for coming on the show. We love you. Give it a little bye pussies. Bye pussies.

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