Session 91: Renee Rapp Returns

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0:39hi pussies welcome back to therapist tonight we have on the queen herself renee rap her sophomore album bite me is out now it is incredible um and she's just the greatest She was the second guest I ever had on this podcast And is one of the reasons I'm able to do this Really and truly I just, I die for her I love her And to be able to have her come back on To promote her second album Was really, really, really cool And if you haven't heard the album Please listen to it It is unbelievable She's unbelievable And yeah, this episode is really funny It made me laugh She makes me laugh really, really hard.

1:25Yeah, I'm really excited for you guys to hear it. To submit Tell Me What's Wrong, go to passthatpuss.com and click Tell Me What's Wrong. Leave a name and number if you're feeling fancy and enjoy the episode. Love you, pussies. Hi, pussies. Welcome back to Therapist. Today, we have one of my best friends, superstar, I don't even, take it away, Renee Rapp. Oh my God. Okay, don't mind if I take. Take. Wait, taking. taking and took so last so renee last time i saw you was two days ago that's right how do you feel not great me neither but you know what yeah there's no better people to black out around than you and your friends oh my god the lesbians do it right dude they fucking do it right we sort of do everything really right it was just like it was like the safest place to blackout I woke up everyone just texted me you're good.

2:24No like no sweat. And I was like great. Great. You wake up the next morning to like a bunch of texts are like you were amazing last night by the way. Yeah and I was like oh my god. Girl that performance was a 10 out of 10 there's Oscar buzz everywhere. Everywhere. Everywhere girl. Speaking of Oscar buzz or maybe Grammy buzz. Sure. Your new album Bite Me comes out August 1st. Thanks baby. I'm so excited I just listened to it. Thank you. Did you listen to the whole thing? The whole thing. Oh okay you have the whole thing. Front to back. Oh wait duh if you have sometimes yeah sometimes it was my favorite and you were saying who could who had to convince you to put that one on so many people sometimes was

3:03i was like i really like it but i wasn't i was like i don't know some songs like come to be a part of projects really late like which i've found I guess and sometimes was one that like had been around for a minute and I was like I mean I fuck with her but I don't love her and then we changed a bunch of the like verses okay there's only two so we changed like we changed I like we changed like all seven we changed some of the verses and then I started to like it a whole lot more it's really fucking good thanks the chorus what I like about it is the chorus goes somewhere that I didn't think it was gonna go yes you know You know what I mean?

3:48Like it goes and then the notes change and I was like, you know, that's how I felt. And then I listened to it back again and then I played it for everybody in the house for a third time. Love. It's amazing. The hook does make you like, oh, my clit just jumped. You know? Like, hey, yo. Yeah. It's good. And good girl. But you said I love good girl because I'm a straight woman. You love good girl because you're a straight white woman. Yes, I am. Like you at your core is a straight white girl. I am. You are. I am. That's totally fine, by the way. I'm about two out of the three. Right. But I like, when you said I like good girl, I was like, of course you do.

4:22Of course. That's of course. Of course. The straight girls love good girl. And I do. I do too, by the way. The album itself is just phenomenal. Thank you, baby. It really is phenomenal. Thank you. Why is she still here? Unbelievable. Oh, why is she still here? It's just like, fuck, you know how to rock a ballad. Thanks, bitch. I really, one thing about me, I love a little ballad. Like how long did the album take to make though? Like when did you start working on it post Snow Angel? We started like recording new songs in November of 2023. Wow. So two years. Yeah. Two years. Long ass process. Long ass process.

5:07but I also just like I've you know well you know like I feel like you understand this being so close to me everybody's always like oh wait like when are you putting out the next thing like what are you doing next like when's like your next song like what's your next I'm like you bought yourself another fucking six months never ask me to put out shit ever again which is not that anybody's doing anything wrong I just hate being told what to do so it took a long time because I'm stubborn but it also took a long time because I really I was like I don't want to impress anybody but myself right and so like if I'm impressed with it then I can put it out um because like impressive is like I think it's I think it's it can be easy to do something impressive it can be easy to sound impressive it can be easy to like make a big like singy hook that's fun or like something like catchy obviously it's hard but i think it's easier than you actually loving something that's much harder and do you feel like when everyone was like well when's the next thing you're like okay well now i'm just gonna push it back just to push it back absolutely yeah yeah it just pisses me off so bad not necessarily like like fans of mine more so just like other people being like okay and this is what you're gonna do now and this is what you're gonna to do now and I'm like and what are you doing and so what the fuck are you doing do you want to write it right exactly do you want to write it oh my god wait go hell fucking no hell fucking no so yeah it definitely made me a bit stubborn but again I did just I wanted to be so obsessed with what I was doing and you're obsessed with it I'm so obsessed I love it I love it too I love it I used to think that was like an egotistical thing to say to be like I love my shit but like I genuinely I love this album so much.

6:51It's so important to me. Who told you that that is an egotistical thing? You're supposed to love your work. I guess so. Right? I just, I never used, contrary to popular belief, I never used to be good at complimenting myself or thinking that anything I was doing was good enough. And I still, as I was just saying, like I don't feel like anything is good enough ever. But this is probably the closest I've felt to that. Do you remember the final song you put on it and you were like, it's done? bro the final song that we put on it was you'd like that wouldn't you um because i was like i don't know we made it when i was in nashville and it was like the last like writing trip that we took and i was just kind of like pissed the whole time just i was just depressed and i was like fuck i like want to be done with this but i feel like we need something else and so then i had that song for months bro and i'd never even heard it and then julian sent it to me and was like this kind of gas and i was like bro shut up like pack it up like no way and then i was like who's gonna guess i was like wait that's kind of good so i think that was the last one and then the last one we wrote was i think i like you better when you're gone i love that one i love the whole album thanks it's really really just thanks sweetie yeah me too i'm very i'm very um i'm really happy with it it makes me like excited to go and go and like sing it like i actually really enjoy singing the songs that i've made which is nice so you're excited for tour definitely excited for tour yeah yeah we're depressed on tour right you and i i mean i was texting you like it's crash out number four today.

8:43Of course. And I'm like, yeah, absolutely. Like it's the most like, it's you're so incredibly surrounded and you feel so simultaneously lonely. I think it's just also like you, I feel like you and I are similar in the sense that like you are so honest, right? So like if you are feeling a type of way, like you want to get up on stage and just be like, I don't feel good right now. I want to kill myself. I want to kill myself. I'm mad. Yeah. And sometimes on tour you can't do that. Well.

9:18Yeah, you shouldn't. You could. I might. I might. I may have an all right again. But you know what? I think that's the issue. And it's like you want to make sure everybody's having fun and happy. And sometimes you feel the weight of everyone wanting to have fun. And you're like, oh my God, do I just kill myself? Yeah, you're like maybe. Yeah. Probably even. How long is the tour? Not that long. Not that long. But it's big. It's fun. It's big. Yeah. It's not that long, though. I think it's only a couple weeks. That's not that bad. My first tour. That was long. Bitch. That was long. I was on the road for like ages.

10:00I was like, oh, God. I was like, wait, where's Renee? They're like on tour. I was like, still? Yeah, you're like, wait, wasn't that like five years ago? You were on tour. You were on tour. Bitch, I was on tour. But you were on tour. Yeah, and. Are you even done? I'm done. Okay. I'm done. Woo! I need a break. And I want to write and live my life. I also think touring is a talent. Like, you have to have a lot of stamina, mental and physical, to go through tour. Because I think, like, what you're saying, it's like, you are absolutely allowed to, like, feel however you want to fucking feel at every show.

10:36whilst also knowing that like people are be there okay god bless me people no okay go yeah go off um people are gonna be there and they want this is maybe their first time seeing you right right so you want to give the best uh performance for a concert goer that you possibly can it's people also like when you fuck up let me just say so that's my point being is like people like when you bring some bullshit to the table. The worst shows of mine somehow, internally, somehow always end up being someone's favorite. And somebody's like, oh my god, I absolutely love that show. I'm like, interesting. I was really considering taking myself out with a rifle two minutes before.

11:21I'm so glad that you had fun. But genuinely, I am glad you had fun. I'm just like, how on God's green did you enjoy that? But that's like, okay, take it. People like when you fuck up. People like when you're like... see that's the opposites happen to me i've left the stage like that's bad and somebody will dm me and be like rough one yeah but also like i'm sure that people are doing that to me too i just don't look right okay there you go right i just don't look at that shit because if i see it then out of sight out of mind yeah are there any songs that you're retiring from last tour that people are going to be like pissed off about Oh my god Because you would No of course Of course Because you would I would and I will I um Damn man I don't know I I feel like I always say Too well is done for And then I bring it back You hate that one I hate that fucking song Why?

12:19I love that song It's so like To me It's just like I don't know It's so like Yeah I don't know But I That was never my favorite That was never my favorite song the only fun part about it now is that people know how much I dislike it right so you go like this is the worst I hate this song yeah and then they're like oh my god she fucking hates it well this is my moment to shine and right you are but I don't know I don't know I don't know man everybody's like what's the set list for tour what are you thinking have you started rehearsals absolutely not and cheers to that But, ugh, eyes. Absolutely not.

13:03Absolutely. And when does tour start? September? Yeah, I think it's, oh, no, I know when it starts because it's my best friend's birthday. September 23rd. Okay. Yeah. Where? LA? Where does it start? Colorado. Great. I love Colorado. I love Colorado. Are you going to Seattle at all? Seattle was my favorite stop on tour. I'm like. Whoa. I'm confused. Have you never seen me do that? I do it a lot. That is intense. It's like a, ooh, let me take a beat. Uh-huh. Oh. But yeah, it is jarring, I'm sure, to the naked eye. No, it's amazing. I wish I could do something like that. You have gorgeous eyes. Thank you, sweetie.

13:40So do you. Thank you. So do you. It's my favorite part about myself. Is it your eyes? Yeah. You do have really good eyes. Thank you so much. But you know what you have, dare I say, even better? What? Brows. You have such a nice eyebrow. I used to take razors when I was a kid and shave the middle of my brow and break out. Naturally, so did I. Uh-huh. But no, you have a really nice brow. Thank you. It's like a honey blonde. Thank you. Loving it. Thank you. Yeah, loving it. What is Toa's favorite on the album? Toa's favorite? Okay. I don't know. No, it's probably At Least I'm Hot. Yeah. I love that one.

14:13Given her star moment.

14:17I don't know. Toa's favorite is Why Is She Still Here. Yeah. I love that one. Yeah. Yeah, no. Yeah. Speaking of that song, How did you perform Sunday? Oh my God. Cause we were out the night before. Yes. And Julia was like, Renee has this acoustic set at the nice guy. I looked at Julia and I said, sorry. Right. We were out till 5am. Yeah. And you did it. I mean, it was at eight the next night at least, but I was shaking like a whore in church. I was shaking like a whore in church. Yeah. I was definitely a DB. I was DB, but I actually, no, you know, I come to think, I don't know how I did that. I wear sunglasses when I perform a lot.

15:00Right. Do you, like, do you feel like, well, I was about to say, I don't think you ever had stage fright. I was like, because you grew up on the stage. I have had, I actually, well, interestingly enough, I was really nervous on Sunday, but I think that was just me being hungover. Or it could have been the fact that I just hadn't, like, sang any of those songs before. Right. which was maybe it because I feel like also this album is like much harder vocally for me than the other one it's you go on runs yes there are like a lot of tiny little like acrobatics and intricacies that I don't I didn't have in my first album which I think my first album was like louder and higher and bigger and more of these like singy hooks and this is smaller in a way the hooks are smaller which I think is actually more difficult but they're a little more intricate yeah definitely Definitely.

15:54Definitely. So I'm like, I'm thinking. Right. I'm fucking thinking. It's like you're going on these runs, but they're softer, which sounds to me harder. Oh, no, it's 100 % harder. Was it hard to record? Oh, death was on my mind every fucking day. Right, absolutely. Death was on my mind every day. I was like, whoo. We cut every song so many times. Every song saw so many different, every key that you could even possibly think of in music. Like, Jesus fucking Mary and Joseph. It was everything. Everything. So, yes, it was literally so hard to record.

16:33You know what moment I remember you that you knew you were in over your head? What? Do you know what I'm going to say? No, I don't know. The beach trip. Beach trip. Toa held a baby. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. That was everything. That was everything. You called me tweaking. Tweaking. I know. And I just brought you back there. I'm having heart palpitations thinking about it. That was fucking crazy. Yes, I was like, oh, she's down bad. No, I was like, this is. And she wouldn't text you back. No, she was playing with my fucking mind. She wouldn't text you back. I was like, I'm sorry, we just held a newborn together.

17:08What's your fucking problem? I was like, oh my God, I love you. Yes. Hello? I was like, wait. And now I'm like seeing you hold a fucking kid on the beach and I'm about six months pregnant myself. And biologically how? His grace, bitch. I was so whacked out. I forgot. I remember. I know. And I'm really happy. I could just bring you back to that feeling. Oh my God. Leave it to a baby. Right? Woo! Leave it to a baby. I remember the photo too. I'm lightheaded. I'm thinking of the photo. Yeah. I was like, wait, we look so good with a kid together. Are you trying to make one? Yes. Let's try harder, but we're almost there.

17:49We're almost there. Almost there. Yeah. Yeah, whoa. I was whacked the fuck out. Oh, I was whacked the fuck out. And then it just, all I remember is I called you and you were like, yeah, we're together. Yeah, I was like, no, no, no. So we like, we gave in. Yeah, we gave in. We gave in. We gave in. Because I was so anxious. You were so anxious. You were so much, okay, you're going to laugh at me. I think you were so much less anxious now than you were a year and a half ago. Oh, no, I will not laugh at you. I could not fucking agree more. You were so, not, I mean, like, I was so anxious as well, too.

18:17but like you were like you were so much less anxious than you were. I hated being alive genuinely like genuinely hated being alive like every single day I was like damn. I don't really think I like this at all which is so sad right and like genuinely so scary and like especially for you and I like I think we do a really good job. The two of us of of making everything like he he and laughing it off and that's how we deal of course because what else are we going to do like just sit and stare at a wall probably probably we might but um yeah like there was oh my god it was like really like I was white knuckling every fucking day second hour everything I was like yo I there was I think you're gonna laugh because of course I'm making kind of a joke out of this there was a line in Mr.

19:12Robot last night that I like I like looked at Toa and I was like that is so accurate. It was like, it's something that, um, the drug dealer says to, uh, Elliot, where he's like, you have no idea what it's like to hate someone until you hate yourself so much. Oh yeah. I remember that. And I was like, yeah, like there's nothing like no matter what kind of conflict or anything you get into with, with anybody hating yourself and hating being alive is the, pinnacle of hatred and and sadness i was so insanely down bad um and it's not to say that like i'm not like you know still anxious and like such a tweaker now because i definitely am but like i definitely am so much happier yeah there's there's really there's no hate like hating yourself right just period there's no hate like hating yourself that's the most deep deeply rooted kind of bitch um but yeah how did you feel yourself like get out of it like what did you do to take yourself out of that i mostly just started realizing that like well okay first shift was like i started enjoying my personal life more than i enjoyed enjoy more than i enjoyed my work life i started being like wait i have amazing friends who love me and make me happy um I started being like wait I can take a vacation no way right oh that's amazing I started having a partner who didn't take advantage of me wanted me to win loved being around me um loved supporting me for no benefit of her own and also isn't like secretly um keeping me from my personal life and all of my friends and also who isn't like preying on my downfall wow right that makes a fucking massive difference um and then also i just started being like damn no one is ever gonna look out for me the way i'm gonna look out for myself so why am i listening to so many people that will never value my life as i value my own right and i stopped listening like like everybody's like you used to take everybody's input like so heavily and then yeah wait stop yeah I was just like I don't I don't want to impress you I want to impress myself also like you know it's no matter like you are I think it's very easy especially in like entertainment to feel like everyone else kind of has control over your life right like I didn't feel like I had any control over my life even though I think I was probably acting like it I'd be like damn I'm so sad I don't want to do this or oh my god I'm so burnt out and I'm so tired I don't want to do this and somebody'd be like oh my god well like just like say no and I'd be like no I like I don't want to say no right obviously I want to work but truth be told I did want to say no I just felt like I like couldn't and I had to do everything and I just started being like damn like my life is so much more full without me bending over backwards for bitches who don't give a fuck about me right whoa my life is so much more full if i'm not trying to appease tom dick and fucking harry yeah like i don't care also i feel like at the place you were in your career like you felt like you had to say yes and do absolutely everything or else it was gonna go away yeah because it was so new yeah and now it's like no i'm here yeah now i'm like ah girl take it or leave it i don't come on now i like take like literally take it or leave it it's it is all good Again, like I'm doing things to impress myself now.

23:07And you know what? That's fucking awesome. Yeah. And congratulations. Thanks, sweetheart. I love you. Thank you. I love you. You make me so happy. I can't tell you how happy I get every time that I see you and whenever you come out with us. It's like a breath of fresh air. You're mommy to me. You're my baby. And like I, we hate boys, but I like absolutely need you there. Like I need water. Me, Julia and Peyton have our best nights with you. I gotta say, I agree. Yeah. I gotta say I agree because also our nights are infinitely better when you guys are there. We're always so excited. Yes. It is the best and you know you are my lucky charm for catching a dick.

23:48Come on. Have been, always will. Which is so insane to me because I'm like, what the fuck about me is attracting dick? It's the antithesis. Ayo. It's so crazy. But it works for me. I don't know what it is. Every time. You know what? I think you make me feel so good and confident that I'm just like. That it brings it in. That it brings it in. That actually fully tracks. Yeah. Because one thing about it, we are not going out to look cute and have fun and be seen. Right. Actually, we're trying to maybe not do that. Right. We're trying to be seen as little as we possibly can because we're dancing on tables on crutches.

24:30Is she okay? No, she's not okay. No, she's fine. She's fine. She's fine. She like, God bless her. I kept saying, where's Toa? Where's Toa? And Renee said, oh, you haven't heard? Look for the crutches. Literally look for the crutches. She sat in the corner like, babe, get up.

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27:45You know what? Can I be so honest? So many people have been asking me about it. About Buddy? Yeah. So many people have been asking me about it. And you're like, I just don't know or care. I'm like, what? On God's green earth. I'm like, who? That's one of my favorite moments of you of all time. Yeah, it's very, it's very, it was jarring for me to see those interviews back. Because I was so, there's really nothing like a movie press cycle. There's nothing like a movie press cycle. I can't even imagine. It is, it's kind of crazy. I gotta be honest. Like you sit in one room for like eight hours and like the lights are so bright and you're just kind of sat there and you've also just been doing like so right so much.

28:26And it's not that I would have said anything differently had I had a break. However, I like. Yeah, it's it's like it's just like, you know, it's like looking at at someone who is like, this is my 18th interview of the day. and you've asked me something that I actually have a lot to say about. And now you're going to hear it. And I'm really not sorry about it. Good for you. Literally at all. I got to be honest. I just, I just, I just, if you're a man and you're going to say some bullshit, please expect me to come back with fast fucking fists. Right? Please expect to get your shit rocked. I don't understand it.

29:12I'm like, if you wanted to go and fuck with little Bo Peep, go and do it. But like, that's not me. Right. That's not me. Never has been. No, so why? I'm like, you should have picked somebody else. Right. Pick somebody else to pick on. I beg you. There's plenty of bitches. Pick somebody else to pick on. It's not me. And he, yeah. It's not me. Are you ready for me to ask you what I know is your favorite question? Oh my God, please. What are you therapist about? Oh my God. God, what are my therapists about? This fucking motherfucking bullshit. I know it's something. This fucking bullshit. I know it's something.

29:46No, I've actually been really happy recently. Oh, let's go. No, of course not, bitch. What am I pissed about recently? Or what am I therapist about recently, shall I say? Okay. Let me think of a good one because there's so many. They just like pop up like, okay, they pop up like something. What pops? Puss. Puss. Okay. um that's something i'm pissed about recently oh my god oh my god oh my god oh my god there's so many give me like two seconds let me just sit through everything in my brain i used to really just let it rip i know i used to really let it rip i'm trying to be thoughtful i'm trying to be thoughtful god bless my mother she's like please i don't want to deal with any more like suing threats i'm like ah fuck it no i'm thinking about it but you're gonna have to a okay this one Okay.

30:39This is something you're going to have to A-okay. Why? You know what I'm therapist about? What? You can cut this if you're not okay with it. Oh, fuck me. You can cut this if you're not okay with it. Who the fuck was that man the other night trying to get your friend in the car? Oh, my God! I was like, wow. I was like, why are we sat here? Do you remember that? Yes, I remember just you and me going up to the car. Saying, you have to leave. Being like, you have to go. Like, what's going on? Like, you have to leave. Why are you, like, you're tall, leave. Yeah. I don't know. I don't know. And, like, God bless her.

31:24God bless her. She's such a cutie. But I was like, we've got bigger fish to fry, certainly. Right? Right. That was Thera Piss, but that was Thera Funny. That was Thera Funny. That was so funny because you walking up to the car, like literally all like five feet of you like this. Shuffle. And then you're like, window down. Window down. Window down. Hi. What's going on? And I was creasing, bro. I'm creasing. And you're like, you have to leave. You have to leave. Like, I'm done. I'm done. I'm done. You have to leave. You have to leave. I'm done. I was like, that is, that's my baby. She's iconic. No, I was like, that is so fucking good.