Session 99: Megan Moroney

35:10It doesn't affect me at all. I kind of like laugh now, which I don't know. But I'm like, I just like when you have everyone saying everything like, Oh, she's ugly. She can't sing who, who let her wear that. Like, it's just like, right. Okay. Do you remember the moment where you realized it wasn't hurting you as it, as much as it used to? Um, I think, no, I don't remember the specific moment. I just remember like after like performances, I wouldn't like cram myself to sleep anymore. Cause I would literally go do that and then cry because I knew people would be so mean to me. And it's like, I think for myself, it's also been having more compassion for myself.

35:51Like this is my first time doing this shit, you know? So if I'm like performing somewhere, like even the VMAs, That was my first time at the VMAs. So I allowed myself to be like, you're going to be nervous because you've never done this. There's Sabrina Carpenter right there. You've never met her before. Holy shit. You love her though. There's Lady Gaga. There's Ariana Grande. And you're going to be nervous, but that's okay because you've never done this before. Rather than like, I think before I was like, you have to be perfect because everyone's already going to rip you apart and you already know what they're going to say about you.

36:20So you need to really bring it. And now it's like, right. I'm doing my best. Right. And there are so many people that love you. Yeah, I think it's just important to focus on like my fans and because I know that even like the fans that I meet just out in the wild. Right. Like they're so kind and like those are the kind of that's like that's real, you know, like people that just come up to you and they're so sweet and kind and like random anonymous profiles saying shit about you. I'm like me doesn't really do it for me anymore. Do you have any friends in the industry that you can be like, OK, you get it.

36:55Kenny Chesney. OK, tell me more. Yeah, he's been, so I got to open for him last year on a stadium tour. And he's become like such a close friend and mentor. And there was a time where I was like really crashing out over like this article that got posted and a lot of it wasn't true. Kenny came to my house because he was like, you need to like chill out. He was like, you are, you are building something so special, the connection you have with your fans. And like, you are letting these like people eat your lunch. Like, that's what he said. And I was like, oh shit. I was like, you ain't eating my damn lunch today.

37:30So he just like came over and like hyped me up. My parents were in town. And so my parents like thanked him a million times for coming and doing that. Cause he really just like talked some sense into me when I was crashing out. But it's like so nice to have a friend like Kenny that can, he's been through it all. Like he knows what it's like to have people talk bad about him and even like anything really. Cause he's been doing it for so long. So he always has the best advice and he talks some sense into me. none of that matters what matters is my songwriting um my fans and my path right it's like crazy what like how public perception can be like shifted based on untrue things it's really crazy it's just like i feel like in the age of like tiktok tiktok can be so beneficial but it can also be so harmful because like you'll get a video it'll have 500 000 likes yeah and a bunch of comments So, of course, you're going to be like, well, it's caught a lot of traction.

38:26So why wouldn't it be true? Right. Dude, the amount of I get. This is embarrassing. I get stumped by the AI videos. Like, you know, the little golden retriever that was like swimming around a living room or something like that. I was like, oh, my God, how did that happen? And then like 20 minutes later, I'm like, oh. What about the kangaroo with the plane ticket? Do you get stumped by that one? I haven't seen that one. Okay. You would get stumped by that one, I think, maybe. If you're getting stumped by a golden retriever swimming in a living room. Because I was almost dumped by the kangaroo. Okay.

38:57What is your favorite place that you've been able to travel to because of this job? Like outside of the U.S.?

39:07I love St. Bart's. I took my family there last year. Like after. Oh, my gosh. Really? Yeah. We have to go there, too. Yes, we do. Mentally noted. Take Jake and Tate to St. Bart's. Got it. I love St. Bart's. I took my family there. It was so beautiful. and then I also just love the Bahamas. I recorded a lot of my vocals off my new album there. There's a studio down there. And you, okay, so when, so does it feel like work for you? Because if you're doing that even when you're on vacation and you're like, I need to do this, like this isn't work to me. Like what feels like work to you? It felt like work when like they all went on a boat trip and I had to go in the studio and sing.

39:48But like other than that, it's just, I felt like, I don't know, maybe my Saturn has returned because I'm like I just feel so content and like everything is just like enjoyable like I'm feel so grateful that I've been doing this for what when I sign my record deal like three years now maybe and I just like only been three years I think so right um wow but I just like and I know I'm only three years and yeah talk to me in 40 years um but like I just enjoy it so much still like even going in the studio I get so excited and the shows like usually there's like an aspect I feel like I've talked to other artists there's an aspect that they don't like whether it's like social media or touring or whatever it is and writing and I'm like I love all of it and so it's just like really rewarding and to be able to record vocals for my new album and then like go to dinner on the beach I'm like this is the life is this real yeah I was going to ask, well, because you've had the friends that you've been friends with, you've been friends forever, especially Natalie, right?

40:51And did you and Natalie meet freshman year? Yeah, we met the first day on bid day in our sorority. So I remember like her and I were terrified. We didn't drink in high school. So when we got to college, we thought like bid day was going to be like, we're watching movies, wearing matching pajamas that are monogrammed. Right. That is not the case. And I'm not going to elaborate because I'm pretty sure they could get in trouble. Right. But we did not watch movies. And there was no matching pajamas. But so her and I were kind of just a little scared. Like we both went into college with boyfriends too.

41:28So like, you know, going around to all the frats and stuff, I was like, I'm being a loyal girlfriend. Right, right. And yeah, so her and I bonded pretty quickly. We became like immediately best friends. We actually, our first social we were going to, we were really going outside the box by attending a, like a social with the fraternity. And on the way home from Party City, I remember it was like America themed or something. We got rear-ended by someone. Like we were in the same car together and we got rear-ended and it pushed us into another car. So it was like a three car accident. Oh my God.

42:04Like the first time that we've spent like a lot of time together, you know? So waiting on the cop and stuff, we had to like go to Steak and Shake and we were at steak and shake for like four hours together and then my brother came and like got her bumper off of her car so then she met my brother like it was very much like after that day specifically too we were like besties like no one if they couldn't find natalie they were like they asked me and if they couldn't find me they'd be like what's natalie and you guys lived together for the rest of college and then you guys started doing pursuing social media though together right yeah that was in college um that was like right when the influencer thing was starting and i just remember like Like we're broke college kids and like these brands wanted to send us clothes for free.

42:46And I'm like, I'll post about it because I don't like I don't want to spend money on a game day outfit every week. Right. So it just started like that. And then, yeah, it was just like we were the sorority influencer girls. And it was way because it is so common to do that today. But back then it was not common. Yeah. People, like I said, I don't think everyone thought it was the greatest thing ever. they're kind of mean sometimes but um yeah natalie and i we just stuck it out and then um she's literally getting married next year we're gonna be friends for 10 years next year that's crazy i know wonder about her i know i know it makes me so emo like i literally wrote her that song about saying like you're gonna find a guy that's gonna show up for you and you're not gonna wonder if he cares about you or loves you and she found alex and he's like perfect for her And I'm just like, do you, what was it like when you played her that song for the first time?

43:42She was there. I mean, I, we were literally down at the beach and she was, um, arguing with the guy that she was talking to. Like, you know, when everyone's vibing and then your friends like aggressively texting, like totally not in the conversation and you're like, someone's pissing her off on the other line. Yes. Who do I need to kill? Right. And so it was like that thing. And she was explaining how he was just like stressing her out. And I was like, if he really loved you and cared about you, like you would not be wondering if he did and then immediately my brain was like wait wonder would be a really cool title so i'm like drunk on the beach i have a margarita and a pineapple willies cup and then which do you know what that is pineapple willies of course not okay yeah is that a southern thing yeah it's a panama city delicacy so pcb we have to take you to pcb that would be so much fun megan jake and pcb what is pcb it used to be the spring break hot spot would i survive there's a lot of debauchery happening back in the day.

44:39Now I think they're trying to brand it more as like family friendly. Right. But back in the day, not the case. Was this PCB trip the same one that somebody liked your Instagram photo? Okay. So not the Natalie one. No. That was a few years later. But yeah, I drunkenly wrote Wonder. Like I wrote the first verse in the chorus without a guitar in the water. Just the words. Were you standing alone? Yeah. I was like, I got to go real quick. I need some alone time. So I walk away from them. I come back and then I got my guitar and finished it that night. And I remember it was actually like so wholesome.

45:14I'm sure like somebody has a video of it, but it was like a, we took like a group trip. So there was maybe like 15 friends all down there. And after I finished the song, like I was sitting on the porch swing and I played the song for everyone. They were like sitting on the porch. And I remember everyone, I think like when I wrote that song was when I realized that like not everyone can write songs because they were so impressed and I was like really yeah I was like what do you mean um yeah I just like Natalie said she was going through this so I just like wrote it down and made it rhyme and um yeah so now I heard it right away but it's really wholesome um no I think she was just like because she didn't know Alex at the time so she was like going through it she's like you're right I do need someone that doesn't make you wonder so um yeah it's just crazy she's getting married now I'm the maid of honor got made of honor duties saying wonder at the wedding they yeah i've been i told them i would sing if they wanted me to i don't know exactly what i'm gonna sing but maybe wonder yeah that makes a lot of sense even though like most of the song is like it's like is it weird to sing a song about her ex at their wedding no because it's about finding someone that doesn't make her feel that way and maybe i'll change up the words a little bit to make it more personal to them yeah but i love alex so much he's like he's great he's great we call him community boyfriend yeah like when I haven't had boyfriends on Valentine's Day he'll like for me and Kelly he like shows up with like balloons and like chocolate and stuff just because he knows we don't have boyfriends I'm like so sweet that's really nice just like very thoughtful and like anytime um like I remember when I first saw my record deal he like took all of us out to dinner like just he's like the best when you signed your record deal what was the song that got you signed Tennessee Orange And you and you drop that on streaming services or like YouTube or?

47:03Yeah, it was streaming services, but I released it as an independent artist. So I literally like made the cover on my phone. And then when and how did it did it take off via TikTok or like how did it work? Yeah, I posted an acoustic video of me first, like back in March. And that kind of blew up and people were like, oh, my gosh, we need the song. But it wasn't a studio version. And then I decided to release it like right around football season with like I did. like this campaign with Spotify. So it was like, I just put it out. And then as soon as like the official sound was on TikTok, people started making like just relationship videos.

47:40It was like really wholesome. And they were completely ignoring. I didn't realize how much of a universal song it would be, I guess, because I thought it would be very like, you know, only Georgia and Tennessee people or people that know about, you know, college football rivalries, like only they would know about it. But they were using the part of the song that was like, I met somebody like he ain't from where we're from but he feels like home like that's the part of the song that they cared about more than Tennessee Orange which I thought um was interesting and I get asked a lot like how do you like replicate something like that and I'm like I don't think you can I think it's like it's so random like I'm like why did I don't know why they loved that so much you weren't expecting it to do what it did at all no right do you feel like people have like demo itis like when you perform a song when you play it like a song like on well you know obviously like an acoustic of whatever and then people want it to sound exactly like that or when you debut a song live I will say I'm very careful of not doing that to my fans I if I'm gonna tease it then I make it very similar to what is recorded because it's like I don't want them to get attached to something that's like not done right I think maybe in the past I would have posted like true demos but nowadays I mean I don't really tease music like I used to anymore like especially like I said with this new album like I'm so precious about all of it I'm like I need I kind of need everyone to listen to it like all at the same time and I don't want there to be too many surprises but my fans do know there's a song called wedding dress coming out the chorus goes on to say um like I'm gonna miss him in a wedding dress like don't let me miss him in a wedding dress just let me get over him like by the time I get married yeah because you know you're not getting married to him are you able to talk about like a timeline of the new album or no no okay the live album the live album's out october 9th october 9th nobody knows that yet but the live album was literally not planned it wasn't in my deal i got like halfway through the tour and i was like oh my god it's ending soon like this era is ending soon and i need to remember it so I fortunately have the best team ever and they just like we're like okay I guess we'll like get everything mixed and together and um so it's like very last minute but I'm like very attached to this era so I needed it to be like a whole live thing and you'll once you come to the show you'll understand why it's necessary but I was listening to mixes like late last night and it really puts you like back in the show and it's like I don't know I guess maybe like break it right back I think you and honestly maybe even third time's a charm I think you feel more of the emotions when I sing it live than in a studio just because like in a studio it's just way different um but I'm excited I think too it's just like I I call the amount of k tour group therapy because there's just so many there's so many different kinds of songs like you're crying over no color ID.

50:40Don't you get tired of hurting me. And then you're like, you sing lucky and you're like, Oh, we're getting drunk tonight. Woo. And then bless your heart. You're like screaming at the people who bullied you. And then the girls you're singing it with your friends and you're, it's just like, it's a, it's an experience. And so that's why I was like, before this era ends, I have to get the whole thing recorded and just put out. And so I'm literally like announcing it the night before that it's coming out and then it'll come out on my birthday just because I'm like I'm obsessed with you guys oh that's gonna be awesome I'm emotionally attached to the color blue and the am I okay era okay so I was about to say so the lucky era was green right green and gold green and gold this era was just hues of blue what can you say what colors you're thinking of for your next era No I can't I don't want to give any hints My fans have already Picked up on stuff Picked up on stuff But I will say like I don't want to toot my own horn It's my best work Yeah let me see Let me see Like I hate to toot my own horn But toot motherfucking toot Yeah toot it Literally toot it Okay are you ready for the front and back Is this the cover?

52:00Yeah Wait oh my god The right is the front, obviously. Shut up. Iconic. This is your best album cover. This is amazing. Thank you. I'm sweating now. So obviously I'm going to the track list. Sorry, I'm looking at the track list. Sorry. Okay. What is your, out of the list, say your favorite title. We can just bleep it out. Wait, I'm sorry. I was not expecting that. Oh, you saw it. I was not expecting that. My jaw just dropped. Yeah. Surprise. Please play for me. I will. For your new album, what do you feel like is the most different from the M.I.O.K. era in terms of, like, the themes? I think the biggest difference with this album is that just, like, my feet are so planted and I know exactly who I am.

52:49I feel like I've always known who I am, but, like, I, like, know who I am and I'm willing to take risks now, you know? It's, like, before it was, like, this is who I am, the first two albums, but this is, like, yeah, this is me. sonically is there anything different um it's definitely it's actually interesting because some of the songs like could definitely get played on pop radio really like it's it's straight up country pop which is exciting like we used sounds I've never used in albums before and I told my production my production my producer told my production I told my producer to go crazy um but I will say that like even though some of them lean a little bit more like country pop all of it is still real instruments and stuff so um it's still very organic in me but then again there's like the most country song I've ever you know I'm never gonna release song like the most country like what elements of a song to you are like, this is traditional country?

53:49I think it's just like, they're traditional melodies. And when you hear it, you'll understand. But like in that song I'm talking about, that's super traditional, the chorus starts lower than the verses. Okay. It's like, da-na-na-na-na-na-na-na. You know what I mean? So it's like just structured way different than like a country pop song on the album. You know what I mean? So I do think there's like a little bit of everything. Do you see yourself like ever genre shifting? or do you think country forever? I love country music a lot. I mean, that's, I don't listen to a lot of music, but when I do, it's like 2000s country that I grew up on.

54:26So I just like, just love country music. So I don't know. I mean, I don't even know what I'm eating for dinner. So my plans change all the time, but I do think like, yeah, for the foreseeable future, it'll be country, but you'll notice like on this next album, there's definitely some stuff that's like, that never would have been on Lucky or Am I Okay? you know so um I think that's exciting and it's just very like me like I don't think it even is a genre you know what I mean right when you were talking about like traditional country melodies was melodies something that came to you like creating a melody for a song is that something that came to you very naturally or was that something you had to learn um very naturally I don't even I don't I was telling my dad recently like I don't even remember learning how to sing harmonies but I just know them you know what I mean like it just in my head makes sense and I I think it's because he had me listen to a lot of Eagles growing up.

55:17Do you have any like North Stars bucket list moments that you really want to get done in the next few years? Ooh, bucket list moments. I want to play Bridgestone Arena. That's Nashville. Like two nights, probably. And what else do I want to do? I want to meet Taylor Swift. Oh, like as a songwriter, though, like what do you see that Taylor Swift does that the general public would never catch? like that you're like oh that is so cool that she's able to do that everything i just think like she she's so thoughtful and that means a lot as an artist even like i'm learning you know what i mean if you really like put the fans first and put your work first right like torture poets that album got me through some shit but daddy i love him is one of my favorite songs of all time by her smallest man who ever lived is my one of my favorite all times like it's up there with all All to all 10 minute version.

56:13Is all to all 10 minute version your favorite? Because it's the longest. Yeah. I'm like, I need as much healing as I can get, Taylor. That came out when I was in college. And I just remember like literally driving around campus with Brett blasting it. I was impressed with how quickly I memorized the whole song. Me too. It's because you want to know what it is. And I feel the same way about your music is you're telling a story. So when you're telling a story, you can remember the beginning, the middle and the end. And you know how to get there. so then it kind of just comes naturally to you. She's a legend.

56:45I really want to meet her. Okay, that was the bucket list. We went on our Taylor Swift tangent. Okay, are you ready for the Tell Me What's Wrongs? I'm so ready. Okay. I was so honored when you told me you actually listened to this show. Duh. It gets me through cardio. I hate cardio so much. So it allows me to dissociate and not just stare at the timer. Are there any other podcasts you listen to? No. I mean, not really. I feel like because we're friends, too, I'm like, you make me laugh so much. I was literally telling Jada like on the way here, like there have been days where I've been having a bad day and I literally go and just look at your reenactment videos.

57:18I need to do them more. They're so fucking funny. I need to do them more. And that's why I'm like, you're such like a light to people because it's so funny and like you're not even trying that hard to be funny. And it really is like, allows you to just like dissociate for a second and be happy. I love you. I love you. I, that made my day. Again. My boyfriend constantly forgets important things going on in my life, such as anniversaries, friends' birthdays, and even job interviews. I've told him it makes me feel invalidated, and he doesn't seem to fix it. And don't just say breakup. He's great besides this.

57:53When I say dump, you say his ass. Dump. His ass. Dump. His ass. Yeah, because I do think that those kind of things are coachable, too. You know like if you're just refusing to acknowledge anniversaries and shit It's just like that's a you problem Like sure maybe you forgot once But like if you say that it bothers you and it hurts your feelings It's not that hard to like make a note Do you feel like it's deeper than that? Like if a guy's forgetting things like that Like do you think it like goes deeper than just like the surface level forgetting of it all? Like he's not listening to you? Yeah I think that just comes off as he doesn't care that much about your feelings What song of yours would you tell her to listen to?

58:32What would you prescribe her?

58:38wait what was what could you read it what was what's she saying he's doing again she's saying he forgets anniversaries job interviews friends birthdays and she doesn't want to break up with him because she says he's amazing besides this oh um hmm man on the moon i don't know just dump him I don't know if you if you've talked to him and he refuses that's like a problem you know right because like there's going to be larger problems in life where like you have to talk to someone and say like hey this hurts my feelings and if he's not doesn't even like try to be better at it then it's like me right he doesn't care right which is like it bothered them enough to write into a podcast right but like yeah they just seem to be making excuses maybe yeah Sorry.

59:29Sorry, man on the moon. Hey, so we've been another man on the moon. My brother-in-law consistently flirts with me. My whole side of the family, really, but mostly me. My husband doesn't ever seem to mind, and I didn't really either, but now it's getting on my nerves. I know he's joking, but I also think he's kind of not. Ideas on how to approach this without being overshadowed.

59:53Skip Thanksgiving.

59:57that's really odd I've not ever had an experience like that

1:00:06does the sister know do we think if it doesn't bother the sister then maybe you're overthinking it but maybe the brother-in-law is single wait brother-in-law her husband's brother is flirting with her her oh I thought I'm not sure what I thought Okay her husband's brother Yeah Is he single? Well that's Sometimes we miss context here Yeah okay Yeah I wouldn't worry about it It's kind of like Okay Yeah It's like It's not being weird I don't know So back in January I was at a party And my friends were literally Planning a holiday To Bali in front of me After the party I said something And was like I'd love to go to Bali Fast track to a week ago I saw my friend's Private snap story that they're all on a plane to Bali without me.

1:00:56So they're not your friends. Yeah, they're not your friends. And like to leave you on the private snap story, fake. Right? Like that's crazy. Yeah. Have you ever been, have you ever had news broken to you via social media like that before where you've been like? Yeah, but I don't take things that personally. And it's, I guess it's not happened to a close friend, I would say. Like my real like solid group of friends wouldn't do that to me. so right um I guess like when I was younger in middle school and stuff I didn't get invited to parties and stuff like that but yeah find out that everyone had fun without me and I was like oh perfect but would you even my thing is like I used to like go through similar things and it's like you don't even want to be there if you have to beg to be invited yeah and I always say yeah you need better friends like my friends if I wasn't invited to something there would be like a reasoning behind it or something you know what I mean like it would never be intentional and that's why I appreciate that about my friend group.

1:01:55Like, you know, if Kelly can come on the road one weekend and, like, the bus is full, my other friends don't, like, get mad and they're like, oh, well, you picked Kelly over me. Like, it's not like that because, like, you'll just come next time and it's not, nothing's personal, you know? Did you ever go through a period where it was like that and you all learned to be like? No, I think it's just, like, what's crazy is in our 10 years of friendship almost, Natalie and I have never been in a fight. What? Never. never not we've been annoyed with each other like you know just like we've spent too much time together and we just give each other space but as far as like we've never like we talk we talk about it a lot too and I think it's because like we respect each other so much like the communication is always there we never like if anyone feels weird about something we just talk about it you know what I mean like it's not and we've never been competitive so I think that helps too like it's a very special thing I think and you haven't always had that though right like no like in high school and um I had a good friend Caitlin in high school but like other than her it was like yeah Natalie is like my best friend forever you know what I would prescribe actually is wonder because I think wonder can be applied to all relationships not just romantic yeah so like real friends wouldn't make you wonder yes and the girls because you need some good girlfriends that yes bring home the wine exactly when you need a friend they don't think twice I've only ever slept with one person before my long-term boyfriend.

1:03:21We've been together for four years and I love him more than anything in the world. But I wonder if I should have been more sexually adventurous before getting into this. But I didn't plan this. I just fell in love and would never want anything to change between us. Help. I think that's like a lot of curiosity. I think that if you're like happy and in love, you should probably stick with that. Right? But like she's saying like, what if? Like what? Like should I have explored more before this relationship? Because I never... you these streets out here the grass is not greener right um no i'm just kidding i guess that's like a personal thing you don't want to like get married and then wonder to wonder once again once again so i guess if your god is telling you you need to go explore then go explore but have you ever seen how to be really in love though right like are you really in love then well if you want to explore if your love is based in like i'm so lucky and i don't want to let this go like is that well i don't think you can think like that because there's always someone out there that i think you know like guys that i thought that i've been in love with right it's like happened again you know right have you ever been in a relationship and you're like i'm never ever going to find something like this and then you finally get out of it and you're like what could I wish I could have told myself in that moment that I didn't know that every single one of my breakups I like crash out have you seen did you see the tiktok I posted where like my eyes are swollen no like it was like what do you mean he drained the life out of you and then you swipe and it's like you know I my eyes are swollen my like nose is red and everyone's like oh my god like oh my god like five years ago that was so crazy I'm like uh girl this was like three months ago yeah um so yeah yeah like every single time I get my heart so broken but you move on you know like it's I think I'm an emotional person though like I'm attached to the color blue so like I could get my heart broken by a dude too you know what what is it about blue that you love so much like okay like the era you know what I mean like I'm emotional about the color blue so it's like I'm just an emotional human being in general right so like I feel things deeply so even if it wasn't that serious I'm like right I hurt what's your do you know anything about star signs no okay because I'd love to know you're rising in your mood because I know you're a Libra which means you're unproblematic and you're very that's why I'm like you don't fight with your friends that does check out like you're just very like all is good yeah you know what I would prescribe this person is the movie how to be single because she's like so happy I think it's Dakota Johnson she's so happy in her relationship and she's like I want to explore and then she breaks up with her boyfriend and is like goes explores yeah and i do think if you have the gut feeling then if it's meant to if you're meant to be together you'll get back together so maybe you try do you believe everything happens for a reason 100 yeah i feel like we have to tell ourselves that or else we'd go insane right and there's just been too many things that have happened where i'm like okay i was gonna say was there something that happened and it was so horrible at the time and then you're like you look at it now and you're like oh my god thank god everything happens for a reason or else I wouldn't be here yeah I mean I got my heart broken really bad my junior year and I like that was so I started writing songs my freshman year but by my junior year heartbroken horribly and then um I wrote I had the dream about hair salon and then I wrote that and I was like pretty heartbroken throughout that like whole process and I know that if I didn't get my heart broken that bad and I wasn't like you know if I if I wasn't I don't know that was like the first time in my life I like laid in bed for 24 hours like I could not get out of bed like I was like thought the world was over and I think like if that didn't happen then I wouldn't know to go to songwriting as like a therapy like for me you know did you immediately go to song writing or were you like yeah I did okay like I started like needing to pick up my guitar and like get my emotions out and that's when I was like oh because of the other guys I dated like I had guys like in high school and like you know the beginning of college and um I didn't write songs about them that like really meant anything and then like once I really had my heart shattered I was like oh god have you ever had somebody that you've written a song about reach out to you and be like hey yeah really yeah and do are you like sorry or are you just like um i'm just like yeah that was my side of the story right right i think my husband is caught in a pyramid scheme he's always been a hustler which i love about him but it seems like this newest side venture sounds like an awful lot like a scam he's not gullible so i'm not fully convinced but he keeps on telling our friends about this quote product I guess and I want to make sure he doesn't embarrass himself well if it looks like a pyramid scheme and acts like a pyramid scheme it's most likely a pyramid scheme do you have any one you know from college that you're like they're in an MLM scam um yeah I can't remember the names of any of them but I do remember that they would they would all sell them as like groups you know yeah I do remember that um I don't know what to tell this girl why Why don't you just talk to him and be like, hey, I think you're in a pyramid scheme.

1:08:43Right? Maybe honesty is the best policy. But, like, come with receipts because he's obviously, like, if you're in a pyramid scheme, like, you are sold a dream and a lie. And, like, he is going to defend that pyramid scheme until the day he dies. So you need to come. Are pyramid schemes harmful, though? Okay. So actually, it's so funny you say that. I think the issue with a pyramid scheme, so I think it's called a pyramid scheme because it's like you'll never be able to get to the top. Okay. So, like, you will start here. You're selling, selling, selling. And you like sell and recruit it, sell and recruit and sell and recruit and sell and recruit until you're like building a pyramid.

1:09:13And it's all only helping the main person in charge of the scheme. Okay. Am I right? Well, yeah. I would say, I mean, if he makes decent money doing it and he's happy, like, what are you going to say to it? Maybe let him live his pyramid scheme dreams. Maybe scare him and be like, you could go to jail. Ooh, yeah. Right? Yeah. Like the police called earlier. Right. And they're asking around about this pyramid scheme. I caught my boyfriend of almost one year taking pictures of me in my sleep. He is literally great and never does anything wrong. Jake, what do I even do? This isn't normal, right? Was it because you looked cute, do you think?

1:09:53That's what I'm wondering now, too. Like, do you think he's like, oh, my God, you look so adorable? Or was he like... Right? I feel like I'm going to be an optimist here and go with the fact that he thinks you're really adorable when you sleep and maybe for your birthday is making a collage of you sleeping. That's really optimistic A bit delusional But maybe it's possible Yeah Right My first gut was like Oh maybe he thinks she's cute But obviously If she feels weird about it Well a woman's gut is never wrong Yeah So obviously Maybe something is amiss Maybe he has like A fetish of some sort For sleeping For sleeping I'm still living with my I'm still living in my college town Two years after graduating Tons of people are moving out And I'm struggling with feeling stuck And deeply lonely Tips if you can try to leave I would say just anywhere even like what's the closest city that's like sort of near there I guess um I do think that feeling is very valid even by the time I was a senior in Athens like what are you are you like 22 at that age 22 yeah there's like 17 year olds with fake IDs making out in the corner I was like I gotta go I gotta go I need to leave here if you could bottle it up and give it to someone is torture yeah like when you are a senior in college and you look at all the freshmen coming in being like.

1:11:06And they're so like bright eyed and you're just like, it's time. Yeah. It's time to go. Time is expired. Yeah. So I would say if you can try to plan to make moves. Yeah. What was your favorite part about Athens? Honestly, I just loved going to the University of Georgia. It's very like, it's very like family like, like there's American whiskey in New York. I tried to get you to come that day. Didn't you go on a date? It's heating. Yeah, I did. Okay. I did go on a date. I had something that day and I was like, I am so, I was so. It rained. So it like was not even a vibe anyway. But I really wanted to watch the game with you.

1:11:49Yeah. But anyways, like American whiskey is in New York, but like a lot of those people went to Georgia and it's just like, everyone's so kind. And it's like, if you're a bulldog, they like claim you. And it's like very, I don't know. The camaraderie I think is really cool. and I just, I just loved Athens. I mean, it's like a music city and there's also like 87 bars downtown or something like that. Wait, I went to Athens. We have to get you to Athens. Wait, I went there. And I sat my ass on the bull. On the bulldog. Yes. Wait, I think I saw that picture of you. When was that? Oh, did you play in Athens?

1:12:21Yes, I played in Athens and that, they were so polite and lovely there and we got great smoothies there. Oh yeah. We went to the smoothies. Just like the perfect college campus. No, that was Indiana. No, I was about to say, I think I got, what did we get to eat there? It was all, that was like Louise's whole, she was just like showing me around because she's from Georgia. Glove. Oh yeah, I got merch. I dressed up like a frat guy. Oh cute. Like the little collared striped shirt. The uniform. Yes. She gets some New Balances. I should have worn New Balances. I think I'm dating, I think the man I'm dating might be a criminal.

1:12:56Like on some secret Breaking Bad stuff. He sneaks out, have you seen Breaking Bad? No, you have to. It's amazing. It's amazing. He sneaks away constantly, is always on the phone with someone, and it does not sound like he may be having an affair. Like, the talk is all serious. I still don't know exactly what he does for work as well. What do I do? Run. Yeah, that's giving, like, the biggest red flag of them all. Right. Yeah, I think something sketchy is going on. And, like, if you feel like you can't even ask him, then, like, that's not good either. and yeah if it's sketchy I once had a friend sketchy it's probably sketchy I once had a friend I hope she lets me tell this story and she woke up in the middle of the night with her ex boyfriend and he was like getting up and like going through the room pulled out a gun in the drawer and ran outside and she was like and then she woke up and he was there and she was like hey so what happened last night?

1:13:55And he said, what are you talking about? Oh, men. Evil. Satanic. I just found out through my parents that for the first eight years of my life, I was raised in a cult. They waited until my 24th birthday to tell me this. I feel like I'm being told I was adopted. I can't go into much detail about anything, but I'm struggling with this recontextualization of my childhood help. And you know what? I'm just going to stop you right there. I am not qualified to help you. Really? like really come to terms with the fact that you lived in a cult. I am so sorry. And I think that is cause for like actual therapy.

1:14:30Yeah. Real therapy. And are you out of it? Like, are you safe? No, she's for sure out of the cult. Okay. She's for sure out of the cult. I'm fascinated by cults. Sorry. Yeah. I'm so insensitive. I'm sorry, but I am. I like, I really am. I really, really, really am. Like I, like you say, you watch documentaries. Like, have you ever watched a cult documentary? I'm so sorry, but have you ever watched? What? The dancing one. Oh, the dancing one was crazy. Especially the religious ones. They get people that don't know that much about, you know, religion. And then they just fucking. Right. Gotcha. Well, because.

1:15:03Are we going to get taken for talking about cults? No, I talk about cults all the time. I just feel bad personally this time because this girl was like, hey, I was in one. Please help. And I'm like, I find them fascinating. Like, but I will tell you. Seriously, yeah. Get a good therapist. Good therapist. Sometimes you just need to like, that was a thing. and I'm moved on and no longer a part of that. For clarity, I am so sorry you were in a cult. Please seek therapy. Real therapy. Real therapy, not therapists. But if you need to laugh, you're always welcome here. I pissed the bed blackout drunk and left my best friend to sleep in it.

1:15:41Then I found out, oh, Jesus, Nolan, what? This was insane. I pissed the bed blackout drunk and left my best friend to sleep in it, so you're a bad friend. Then I found out I had gonorrhea. It's transmittable through pee. And now she has it too. She won't talk to me. What do I do? I think you got to take the L on that one. I think that's crazy. Oh my God. Like low key new fear unlocked. Uh, Ooh. I would, um, yeah. Pay for her gonorrhea meds. Apologize. Flowers. Maybe ask like, what do you want? like material wise like do you want new clothes like i need to you just need to like do things like to make her happy because you gave her gonorrhea and she didn't even get to have sex because of it she slept in your pee maybe the friend needs a little bit of distance though uh yeah so to the other friend's point maybe just some some time away from each other for a little bit and then maybe you can reconvene once everyone's all cleared up if my friend gave me gonorrhea just by peeing the bed drunk and oh it's on site also why are you leaving to begin why are you leaving your friend to sleep in the pee yeah that's an immediate wake up the amount of shit i would talk if somebody did that to me i'd do an emergency episode emergency episode i'd literally go to everyone in my life how are you i'm okay my friend just left me to sleep in her pee and she gave me gonorrhea so i'm not doing too well how are you how are you do you are you ever in like an uber and you like tell the same story like four times and you just feel so bad for the uber driver who's heard the same story four times what kind of what do you mean okay so that might just be a me thing like the other day i was in an okay so the other day usually i like in ubers i'm like oversharing laughing talking my shit and the uber driver just like he's being polite and then he's just like and that's it oh i talked too loud on that one like the other day is somebody came up to me on my flight that I was a really big fan of and was...

1:17:49No, it was actually outrageous. It was actually outrageous. That was so polite of you to like not say that at first. No, because I was like, I'm obsessed with her and like she was like, I like your videos and I was like... So obviously I got on the Uber and made about four or five calls and at the fifth call I was saying the story again and I looked at the Uber driver and he was just like... Make it in. Like he was literally about to drop me off on the highway. Aw. Well, that was the last tell me what's wrong. Aw. Did you have fun today? Yeah, this was so fun. This was so fun. We have to do it again.

1:18:24Don't play with me. I am not playing with you. We have a show coming up. A vacation. A vacation. Yeah. Well, Megan, what did we learn today? We learned that you don't have much Chick-fil-A knowledge. We learned that That you might be in your Saturn return And it's actually quite likely Oh I learned what a Saturn return is Yeah I think it's return If it hasn't returned it's on it's way I learned about strawberry wine We also learned You know sometimes I think that my life is a bit of a mess And then I hear that someone gave their friend gonorrhea And I'm like Yeah All's good You just never know what people are doing in their free time We learned that your new album is going to be so insane for a multitude of reasons.

1:19:13I'm excited. We also learned that your live album of the MIOK tour comes out October 9th. We learned that you look great in maroon. Thank you so much. And that you're glowing. You're glowing. We're glowing. We are glowing. And I'm so excited to see you live Thursday. Slay. Brett is going to die. Do you do Indifferent on the set list? Second. That is her favorite song of all time. It's so lit. It's going to bring your earplugs. They scream. I am so, oh my God, I'm so excited. I mean, don't even. We have to deck him out in merch too. Oh. You got to get the camo tee. Decked out. Louise, are you going to come?

1:19:51Brothers is country. Oh my God, you're gone. Aren't you? Wait, speaking of cults, that's our cult shirt. I always say to my fans, we look like a cult in that one. What do you call your fans? See, I don't really have a name because like, I call them emo cowgirls, emo cowboys. I like that. So like, there's that. but it's like a mouthful. Emo cow people. Emo cow persons. Emo cow beings. There's emo cow moms, emo cow dads. ECs. ECs, oh yeah. Well, Megan, I love you so much. I love you. This was so much fun. This was so fun. I'm excited for your live album, your new album, and vacation. And your show Thursday.

1:20:31Yeehaw. We have so much. Yeehaw. I need you to wear the cowboy hat. Wait, I was about to say, I have a cowboy hat for this concert. Like I'm going to wear it for it. So people don't usually dress like that at my concerts, but you could definitely still wear it. Oh, Brett is about to be decked out in boots. Like we are so excited. I love it. Well, Megan, I love you so much. Love you. This is so much fun. Thanks for having me on. We have dinner Wednesday. Dinner Wednesday. Dinner Wednesday. We have a whole Megan themed week. Wait, you're going to get to meet my parents. Oh, I'm so excited. Is Natalie going to be there?

1:21:00Yes. And Alex. I can't wait. I cannot wait. Well, do you want to give a little? Bye, pussies. Bye, pussies.

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