AI Demos: AI that interprets human emotion, Hugging Face Assistants, and more! | E1894

0:0011 labs text to speech GPT. correct it generate a story for me then convert it to an audiobook two paragraphs yes wow and then see the first thing it did was it it came back and said well what's the voice that you want to do it in and i picked jarvis and so then it did the story for me and then it generated the audio and if i go over here now the story that was generated i can play it and let's listen metropolis beneath the shadow of towering skyscrapers lay a quaint little bookstore that seemed almost forgotten by time. So that's Jarvis from Iron Man. Avengers, Iron Man. Yeah, I'm not sure where he made his debut.

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1:24And I've got my good friend, my bestie, Sandeep Madhra here. He goes by Sonny. His real name is Sandeep. He's the co founder of definitive intelligence, you can go take a look at their website definitive.io. They do all kinds of data analysis of private and public data with their AI enhanced system, their platform. And we get together here every week, usually on Mondays, but we've both been traveling to go over the latest updates in AI, the latest updates in AI. And we do that through demos. We've done over a hundred demos. You can go see all of those demos at thisweekinstartups.com slash AI. Whoa, that's it.

2:02Slash AI. How are you doing, Sundeep? I'm doing really good. I'm excited. You know, there is so much stuff happening and we should just get right into it. Okay. Give me the first one. okay the first one so this one is super cool it's called hume and i think that's how you pronounce it i'm going to just h-u-m-e hume i would think it's hume yeah yeah exactly and it's hume.ai got it hume.ai and what they do is they basically um predict call quality attention and mood using an ai model and so this is important i think in a lot of customer support use cases or sdr use cases where you're trying to do, or even if you're doing a podcast and you want to basically get an understanding of how you think people are interpreting it.

2:50So I took this, it takes a few minutes to run. So I had to kind of do this beforehand, but I took kind of a short clip of yours. And basically I took one of their models and I had to classify it. And basically it kind of did the classification around whether you're self-confident or self-doubting just by looking at your video. And as you can see here, J-Cal, and you will not be surprised, you came and got 99.39 % self-confident. Wow. You know what they say, fake until you make it. I mean, if you believe it and you believe in yourself. I mean, so J-Cal, this is it, right? Like we've got to send this in our poker group, but like - Oh God, it's hilarious.

3:36So literally you took a 30 second clip of me from the podcast yes and hume ai determined i am 99.39 confident and 0.001 in other words i'm delusional to a level that this computer system this ai has finally unmasked exactly how delusional i am um i you know i have so many thoughts on this but um the ai can't be wrong can it that's my first i think we need a larger sample size yeah and so basically it has a bunch of great models obviously i tried this one self-confident or self-doubting but they have parkinson's versus non-parkinson's for wow health related alert versus drowsy attentive versus distracted so you can imagine for the people that are still working from home and if you layer this into like a zoom or maybe even you know vinnie's thing which they renamed to roomie now imagine how powerful this could be like hey are your people even paying attention when they're on zoom yep yeah and so there are a series of apps that do this for sales people they've been around for a while what i like about this is you're uploading the video you're not doing it in real time i take it yes yeah you're doing this um as coaching for individuals so i kind of like this um as a in a way it's kind of like having a speaking coach uh you know people will hire those to take out the ums and the ahs or hey make eye contact when you do this look directly into your camera so you know one of the things i have a problem with is especially when i'm moderating right uh which you do kind of the moderating job here you're reading so i wonder if when you're reading like and you're queuing things up, if that is distracted, or if that screws with your confidence, right?

5:28Whereas when I'm commenting, or like, you know, take the oil in podcast, I'm moderating, I have to like, take a series of facts, or I might be fact checking somebody or pulling up a chart. So I wonder like what impact that has on the sentiment analysis, or these emotional analysis, confident versus not confident, distracted versus non distracted, but all of that's really good stuff and um yeah you know i think this is going to be built into zoom eventually uh so zoom will probably give you some tips hey you know what you look a little sleepy um so this could be creepy and dystopian but here we are what do you think is it accurate let me start with that do you think this is accurate yeah well look i i only did like a couple of test things and but you know what i liked about it is exactly what you said um it allows you to kind of in an offline capacity go and address that.

6:17And I think especially with the growth in the creator economy, with so many more people trying to do, you know, podcasts or make videos, this is a great way to get an analysis. Like I, you know, I watched this really good video by Colin and Samir, they were explaining like sort of the challenges they have a Twitter video versus the other platforms and the amount of analysis that they do on a video, right, in terms of just the regular analytics of where are people falling off and where are they coming in and all that. This is just another layer now because you can add that to your repertoire, right?

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8:00You know, it's why I like podcasting to a certain extent when you're not on video, because you can just focus on the words and just observe that in the conversation. but increasingly people want to watch videos and then people are obsessed with clips so we do clips of this show this weekend just double click the clips will always beat the actual original program but the original program you get people having a deeper understanding so i kind of call it like drive-by sampling hors d 'oeuvres versus sitting down and you know doing the full tasting menu as it were right so they're different experiences sometimes you just want to grab and go you know I'm just going to grab a quick hit.

8:36I want to see one demo of This Week in Startups AI demos on Mondays. You know, I just, I want to see Freeberg riff on science. I want to see Chamath do markets. I want to see Saks do Ukraine, Ukraine, Ukraine, whatever he's into at this moment in time. And, you know, that might fit, you know, you know, scratch your itch, so to speak. And so I think increasingly, you know, there are a group of people who only know certain podcasts from the clips and they don't actually have the uh wherewithal the attention the desire some combination of those things to consume a whole podcast i think the people who consume whole podcasts are your really serious audience and then you have the secondary audience which doesn't make it invalid but they just you know they're just kind of snackers you know they're grazing on the content they're grazing and that's okay too um sometimes you convert one to the other right sometimes people just listen to the whole pop but they think the clip is funny but more often than not i think people go from like yeah watching a clip on tiktok or increasingly youtube shorts and then they find out oh there's a whole podcast maybe i should subscribe to that yeah yeah and that's why i think there's a whole new genre of people who are like why do a podcast i'll just do clips all day i'll just do three or four clips and then i hope that some hit i find that you don't get the depth of podcasting with that right and so yeah and it's kind of a missed opportunity but it is valid you know to get a short people like shorts yeah yeah so you know i think these the team's done a great job they made it super easy it's it's very usable they have like a playground like you'd expect and so um you know i think this is all built would you know what language model they're using or what visual model they're using for this maybe tell us a little bit about the technology behind this and how it works shared a lot so my my my My understanding by going through the website is that they've taken models and tuned them themselves, right?

10:24So they've taken models and given it, or maybe even created the models that wasn't super clear where they've said, here's a bunch of folks that look to be confident. Here they look to be not confident. So this is the, I don't want to call it fallout, but this is the next derivative of all this work that's happening in standard generative AI. People are looking at those techniques and applying it to even create their own models. if you were going to build this from scratch how would you do it i it all comes down to the training set right so i would use the same training uh philosophy that's used to build large language models um and i would basically have a bunch of video that is you know labeled um you know confident non-confident and then basically give it to the to the model to look at and learn right that's the beauty of it you'd have to like take that original data and say you know this person's like an actor yeah like is the reason i'm coming across as super confident in that clip because i was actually confident or because i've done 2 000 podcast episodes i wonder i wonder if it's a performance thing or it's actual reality that's why i was wondering about the accuracy of this so i would need to see more of this i would need to put into this you know like um let's just say you know the top talk uh bill gurley's talk at all in summit you know he was super confident he was funny he was pretty confident in his position because he had experienced it right and then you know see what it says because he also has a bit of a southern axis from texas he's got a slower pace he's very humble so you know said another way you know the training data could say maybe he's not confident this is what i'm wondering because he's humble right uh or he's super confident because they're an actor right and so yeah i really need to get a lot more information on this to see if it's really really working what i would like to do here is i would like to run a test this is how i would train it i would have of you, give me a series of questions and answers.

12:33Jason, what's two plus two? I'd say four. You'd say, well, how confident are you? That's absolutely two plus two is four. And then you'd say, okay, what's the square root of this, you know, 20 digit number. And I'd be like, you'd be like, that's not confident, you know, unsure. And then, or I would say, give this as the answer. And you would give me a piece of paper or on my screen, it would say, this is the wrong answer. I made it up and you say it, but say it confidently. And I'd say it's super confident it as a wrong answer and we try to trick it right yeah and so you could have it lie right hey what's your name can you say my name's vinny and i say no your name is sandeep and you say no my name's vinny and we go back and forth and then we tell the language is lying i wonder if i could tell lying i mean this is what's going to happen to dovetail this story with apple goggles i'm not calling it vision i'm calling it goggles because they look like ski goggles i mean you put apple goggles on and now i'm talking to you or i'm out in the real world and we're wearing these at a poker game would i actually know you're lying or bluffing interesting oh what about that use case you're wearing the you don't need the apple ones you can just wear the meta ones that just look like regular sunglasses because all this needs is a video capture yeah and then it just buzzes your ankle two times on your right ankle means not confident lying and the left side means confident you know probably has it i mean this is going to be really really interesting and i wonder if people if you uploaded clips of a player so like let's say we play with jason coon or you know phil helmuth and if you uploaded all their clips from when they played tv poker and then said hey they're bluffing here yeah hey they have it here oh that's your training data you go to your training data and then see then if you could actually take jason coon and break down his game in some way or if he's in fact unreadable you know like top elite poker players versus amateurs it can be really interesting yeah wow figure out what the live reads are so there are people who think they're good at live reads all right so this will be uh but this is going to totally change the game with those meta glasses because those are also you can buy them in like regular glasses like not sunglasses mode so you're gonna have to tell people hey you can't wear those i don't know if you saw my tweet the other day and what you think of this but my position with google glass was and I told this directly to Larry Page, like, you have to, when this thing's recording or turned on, have a light.

14:55And it should have a light that if it's turned on, it's green. And if it's recording, it's red. Audio or video. And, you know, I'm not big on regulation. You know, I'd rather the market dynamics, you know, sort of define this. But I don't know. What do you think of that? Like, if the standard was, you know, it had to be green, if on, red, if. Yeah. so the snapchat glasses they used to have a like a kind of a circle right when they were doing it right now did the circle go on when you're recording yeah exactly yeah and then the humane pin i was just at a dinner with one of the co-founders and then she had it and it has the same thing when it's recording it's very clear that it's recording and it's active how do you know it's recording is it red it has like a like a light on it yeah like a like a very distinct blinking red light it's not a blinking red light yeah this is what i think these guys are cowards i'm not humane they're probably not too but i think these um folks are cowards in the in the wearable space to put on a red light because they think oh it's going to be scary i think it's the exact opposite i don't think they're thinking straight if these things are going to be adopted in society and people are not going to get punched in the face for covertly recording people or kicked out of a bar like the glass holes did back in the day the google glass holes remember that the woman got punched or something i mean i'm not for physical violence but i am a realist like if you came up to me with like i put a recording camera in my face now everybody's paparazzi you see what happens when like people do that to celebrities over and over again like people snap it's not the society we want to live in yeah so everybody should yeah there's a human human fight yeah currently it's recording yeah right flashes like trust like i I like the name trust light, but I don't know the color of the trust light.

16:41Like on a video camera back in the day. Remember those? Like those videos. That's what I'm basing it on. When you had a video camera, they put a flashing, they put the red light on it or a flashing red light. I give this one, I don't know how good it is. You know, on potential, I think it's obviously like, this is incredible. I'm going to just withhold my judgment and just give it a B - for now. You know, I can't tell right now from the interface. I don't know how it's trained. so that could be you know me just not playing with enough but i'm gonna give it like a b minus right now i think it's got potential i want to really understand why when it i that fact that it's at 99.999 confident that that just makes me not believe it so okay i would need an explanation of some incredible score like that okay all right i give it a b i think it's like early you know i was just pulling it up as we were doing it there they've that model is only trained on 80 videos oh okay yeah um you know which one could argue is like maybe not a big enough training set but maybe we can hear back from the team and see what they have to say to us what you where you're at yeah and then yeah they could be a lot of questions to have on right see right here is a trained on 80 videos so it's like uh so i pulled that one up so right you know what i'm gonna give mine a b because okay i'm gonna go from b minus to a b because they did explain that um and i was the reason i was kind of like a little down on this is because i didn't feel like when i looked at the earring face originally that it gave me enough context to give them you know like uh the score yeah that was in the playground if you go into the yeah i think it's the same thing and you know there's a lot to learn from there and uh you should have them on i like the idea though of also knowing um combining this data with health data and knowing if you have early onset parkinson's or alzheimer's or you're slurring your words like i think this technology if somebody was on a zoom call and was speaking or if your phone was listening to you persistently if you start slurring your words if it knew if it just gave you an alert hey you're slurring your words are you drinking alcohol or do you think you might be having a heart attack or we noticed you didn't get you only had three hours of sleep last night you didn't get any REM sleep those are the three reasons you could be slurring your words and you just dismiss like i get the loud alerts you ever get the loud alerts when your kids scream or something yeah so my girls like to scream when i you know play tag with them whatever so i'm constantly getting these alerts yeah yeah that the decibels.

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20:42The iPhone 16 with Generative AI expect to launch debut in September with the A18 chip with the latest. So this is a little tease. And you know how I know this is real? I'm just going to click this article here. and it's like fully in like you know it's like some site from taiwan which means it's like you know this is a real deal like someone knows what's going on there so that's kind of i mean that was a big portion of our league setting gadget were either executives who worked at the company or you know shenzhen akihabara factory express where they just love the thing and they would just send us a picture from the line when they were making a star attack or some nonsense yeah and we would get it from them this has like the whole like some you know some kind of slide right out of some presentation talking about the different you know chips and all so i don't know but what they're saying is there's going to be the a18 chip which is the chips that go in phones as opposed to the m chips which is a series of chips in silicon that apple makes that goes in laptops and the a18 is going to launch with the iphone 16 with the iphone 16 which is the next one yeah and september okay and it will have generative ai is going to debut and we have a bet yes july 1st we do if these models will be built into the phones correct and so i'll just pull that up because we have the bet site here we now have the bet site which is yeah so i'll pull that up startups.com slash bets that we're making and i think our bet was that it would be announced or released uh that's the question we said deployed locally on phone models deployed locally on devices okay you took the over i'll win this one yeah i win this one no doubt because you know what the phone's not going to be in your hands until yeah the fall so i think i'll win this one so if we had made the bet this is where if you're a gambler the definition of the bet matters because we didn't bet that it's announced and then yeah if you were going to bet it was announced we'd say announced officially announced so this is announced yes unconfirmed yes announced by apple so there's three different bets we could have made leaked announced officially in your hand and so yeah i win this one i think then we just need why you have to think i i i gave a little like concession here i think is going to be i said it's going to be close it's going to be close to our bets i appreciate that i appreciate that yeah yeah all right okay so that was just a quick update on our Yeah, we'll pick up their bets.

23:10And these are$1 ,000 bets, by the way, folks. We're making$1 ,000 bets. And when we settle up, somebody could sting. And I like to hear that history of how you guys were getting the scoops, because that's kind of my scoop angle as well. Okay, let's keep going. Okay, so this one is super exciting. I actually, it's an area that I'm passionate about personally. So this is a company called Forever AI. That's how you pronounce it. frvr ai and what are the r.ai is the website correct it's forever without the vows exactly and there are like a bunch of seasoned game folks that have basically taken ai to uh create sort of cat these small casual games and so we're gonna do like sort of a live demo here where um yeah Here's a game that you can play.

24:05Oh, it's Galaga, basically. Yeah, exactly. And I say, oh, you know what? That's cool. So let me just die here. Okay, so what we're going to do is we're going to take this game and we're going to remix it. And so I'm going to click this edit button here. I'm going to click remix. That's going to open it in their editor. And what I can do is I can say, make the ship shoot dual missiles. Right? And what I can do is, and I just hit enter there. and what it's going to do is it's going to go through the code right live and this is doing it and and it will basically edit the game god yeah and um and basically now you see what and so yeah and then the other thing you can do is i can just go in here and i can say let's just change this enemy and let's create a different enemy so let's imagine this and give me a yeah make it a donald trump 10 okay no that they won't let you do it you don't think content filter yeah i think the content filter let's just try it try doing darth vader okay make it look like darth vader how about this how about a uh make try to see if it will do like adjacent to the lord head how about that right awesome yeah okay imagine now you click imagine and you see what happens and then you click imagine and so it's going to um do a generation here and um what what's really amazing is um and they've got lots of different game styles here from side scrollers to you know these shooters to space invaders to asteroids but what this is going to do for game creation it's like what we the way i think about is what we saw happen with youtube and video we're and you know i believe video games have surpassed even um yeah wow it just made kylo ren and some very creative garth raider looking that and you can see now so i can play it again and now i have the uh oh my god isn't that wild it's genius and yeah and and you can you can do even more sophisticated things than that but yeah um and then you can basically publish this game so you go back here and you publish it so it's democratized a number of things you've democratized game publishing and you've democratized writing code yes this is and you're making the analogy to how youtube democratized owning a tv network you know a channel on youtube is essentially like having a channel on your cable box so mr beast is like he's standing you know next to msnbc and cnn and you know tnt whatever hbo uh absolutely brilliant absolutely mind-blowing yeah it's kind of getting here faster than i thought if i'm being honest we're in year two of large language models the absolute creativity and insanity here is awesome they did narrow it right so because you're editing an existing game that narrows i think um what the ai has to do so we didn't start with a blank piece of paper and say i want to make a game uh that is like a nintendo game yeah that has a Sith Lord, you know, so it's not quite that.

27:15Yeah. But it obviously is two jumps away from that. So you're editing assistant code base. I got to give this an A. I'm sorry for giving high scores of late, but this is literally mind blowing to me. This stuff is getting so good. Like we're kind of in a world where it's really impressive. Like, and look, you've been probably close. Yeah. Close. You've been in content creation from the beginning. Yeah. And you've seen that transform. And, you know, you've definitely seen the video game industry. And this is going to fundamentally change it. So you think about Roblox, Epic Games, and everything that comes in and around it.

27:54I think we're going to see a massive explosion. And another prediction I'll make is I think we'll start to see creators now as well, where YouTube was the platform that was needed to highlight creators. And I think we're going to see video game creators. because right now people create these games inside these platforms we don't know about them so we're going to see that as well someone's going to be known for creating really incredible games in that way rather than them being companies we'll see individuals doing it just like you know people have created great podcast news channels you know email newsletters these things you know even drudge report you know as just a solo reporter think about how he changed history with the monoclelinsky bill clinton scandal and you know other ones that he broke you know a solo artist a solo creator uh being able to create something just as one individual that generates a million dollars 10 million dollars a hundred million dollars you know djs doing that right there are djs who make tracks just them on a laptop with a starlink connection you know on a boat boom just change the world now that might seem obvious now but i can tell you having grown up as the generation gen x is the generation that spans these pre-internet post internet pre-online post online now you got a generation that's going to be pre-ai post ai post ai wow yeah so just let's pause there for a second and recognize that our kids are going to remember they'll be the generation that remembers the time before ai and the time after ai they would have submitted a school report at least my older uh child would have submitted a report without ai and now they're going to be doing it in college with ai they're going to have done my younger kids who are seven they're going to probably only remember submitting term papers or doing art with ai they're only going to remember an ai world they probably won't remember the time before ai yeah um and this is going to be like a whole different way of looking at the world in the year 2000 like you don't know the world without the internet you don't know the world without online when i explained to people what it was like to get movie tickets yeah just the act of getting movie tickets and going and seeing a movie so going to wanting to see a movie required going to a movie theater and it required going to a movie theater when the movie was playing because there wasn't a virtual jukebox video player in the sky called netflix or you know disney plus where you could just get star wars anytime if we wanted to see star wars we had to wait for the summer when they re-released it and it was so popular that every year they would re-release star wars before you had to open the newspaper find the time then you'd go yeah wait in line no you'd wait in line maybe even for that yes time right yeah that time and you just got a ticket that was red green or blue and it had a number on and they just ripped it in half and handed you your stub back you need to keep your stub so you get back into the theater if you went to the bathroom or something and there was no arranged cheating and you couldn't watch it at home and then vhs came out you could watch it at home and we were like whoa we can watch empire strikes back anytime we want like that's all of a sudden happening in this ai generation it's going to be wild their expectation is that everything the other one travel agents are the other one remember like yes if you wanted a ticket explain to people if you wanted to go somewhere in the world if you wanted to go to tokyo what did you have to do or you want to go like you'd go like the mall or a strip mall and there'd be like a business and you'd walk in and they'd be sitting on a desk and you'd sit down with them and then you tell them where you'd want to go and then basically they would be on a screen and they would maybe type something terminal they had a weird terminal exactly yeah and then they they would give you a price and that would be it and then they print your tickets yes print your tickets and you needed to bring a giant envelope with you remember they had that red thing too yeah because it'd make multiple carbon copies of it yes you'd have to then not lose your tickets those yeah if you lost your ticket yeah you lost money and you could sell the ticket so i could take my ticket to france and hand it to you and sell it to you then you can take that ticket to an airport and say i have a ticket to go to paris and they'd say okay when do you want to go you'd hand them the ticket that was paid for already and they would put you on a flight it was bizarre yeah your name wasn't even in the system as you on the flight necessarily there was no system there was no system you bought five tickets they printed them they exchanged cash with you you took these five magical pieces of paper and they let you on the flight with the paper yeah and if they oversold every year you watch home alone you know if you watch home alone during christmas yeah they have paper tickets it's bizarre it's just absolutely insane sorry for two old guys having their minds blown yeah we're kind of like oh my god i remember back in the day everything you experienced sunday for this generation they're gonna say well i don't like it that way change it you know that's a great movie but i want the protagonist to be a woman a boy you know an alligator you know and okay i i give that an a i give that an a yes yes what do you give it i give it i'm an a plus like i'm really well yeah i am i'm a big believer in the video game economy and what's happened with it and i've been a gamer for a very long time and so to see the ability for that ecosystem to explode is very exciting i love age of empires even in my older years i love playing a real-time strategy I started playing the Frost Giant game.

33:31Those are the people who made StarCraft, and they were making a new real-time strategy. The RTS is my category. Command and Conquer, Age of Empires, StarCraft, all fall into real-time strategy. You build a civilization, you collect resources, you then build weapons. You mine gold. Yeah, or whatever it is. yeah wood yeah meat yes uh stone and gold in age of empires yeah it's a lot of fun my daughters are into it now too so yeah i'm literally gonna buy three pc gaming laptops so we can all play age of empires together and you have a land party again we're literally gonna have a land party absolutely yeah if you want to build a great company you need a great team it's that simple and if you want to hire great team members the first step is finding them but where are they You know where they are.

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35:47Yeah, are my options. You don't have to go hunt and pack to go find that's exactly it. So within your command line. Yeah. And so just give it allow here. And so within that, you can basically at mention sweet. um all the different gpts that are in there yeah and so and you don't even have to know if a gpt exists you just be like at open table at redfin at exactly amazon and just see what happens yes yeah and i think this is really smart for by them because you don't you know when this all started so we're just seeing evolution by them remember they kind of had these kind of apps and then to add them you had to plug them in yourself yeah they were just not in plugins initially exactly then they became sort of gpts now they're just within your command line so as long as you've like recently used it or seen it and you could you can see it here and you can see the flights that are coming now it doesn't book it for you but yeah you can click it'll send you off to kayak to book it well hopefully that would launch the app if you had the kayak app on your phone or yeah it should well because this was kayak see i want to have it have at uh united yes you know Like I want to just do at United at JetBlue because those are the two I like most.

37:01I like JetBlue men. Well, they need to make a GPT if they want to be. They need to make a GPT. Why don't you try that? Do a new one and see if there's an at United. You have to kind of discover the GPT. The way they did it is like you have to have been through them. So I don't think there's like a United Airlines. I don't see one in here. Yeah. Yeah. It's kind of just not yet. So if somebody works at United Airlines, like get on this, you got to, you know, this is like that whole race where people didn't have websites. then they didn't have apps now they don't have gpts now i gotta like drag everybody kicking and screaming to add a gpt but it's gonna be incredible you know this is like the beginning of the super app like uber where you just can you know keep adding features to it and yeah god bless it's gonna be awesome so i give them um what do i get for that i think it's like a b it's a b it could be better good it's a good new feature but it's gonna make it exactly what you said is it's making is such that you can do more within your chat gpt interface which is smart by them and going to continue to put them in front of a lot of folks in the race to be the internet's apex aggregator yeah i mean yeah listen if you're the platform you're the aggregator and then you have a certain number of users everybody has to build it like i just said there's no jet blue you know in the early days jet blue was like oh we have a web responsive website just use that and i was like but i want an app you know everybody's like i like an app i like to have a pretty little button everybody okay i'll make an app and wrap our website in it and then they're like but your website doesn't work well in the app it's like okay i'll make a responsive app yeah i'll make an actual app yeah anyway i give this a b could be better but it's a great start it's like it's just a feature and it puts it in there i think it's it's worth thinking about okay now would you add to it if you were sitting there brainstorming i had one thing which is i want to be able to do without having to add them first right and i want to be able to do multiple right that those are the two things that i really found like you you have to kind of have discovered them first and i don't want to do that right and i want to use multiple i want to say you know the ticket then then open table hotel so we're both bees solid bees b for sunday b for jacob let's keep going that's it Okay.

39:11So just on this same track, what we're going to share is last Friday, I believe, or Thursday. Okay. So, you know, maybe we're like four or five days ago. Hugging Face launched something called their assistance. And so what they've done is they've kind of created an open community to create their own GPT. So GPTs, so let's bring everyone up to speed. Three million were available at launch. And so this was launched four or five days ago. They already have 3 ,000. Whoa, Hugging Face has their own GPTs now. Correct. Okay. And the idea - What language are they written in? Like how, you know, what's the standard here?

39:58I'm assuming it's some sort of open face, some sort of open source approach here, or you can write any code base you want. Exactly. And you can kind of plug it into, you know, they kind of follow the same template and framework as OpenAI. But instead of having to build it using OpenAI, you can kind of build it with whatever backend you want. And it becomes available in their ecosystem here. Is it portable? So, which is to say, can I take this one and use it at ChatGPT? I don't think so. I don't think they're portable right now. Yeah. So, this is going to be, this is where somebody could, this is where Hugging Face could do a lot of damage.

40:32They could just say, we're going to make an open source standard. these apps are portable so the chat what does chat gpt call them now gpt's gpt's gpt's yeah do they own the ip around gpt's gpt is a common word or do they own that yeah gpt is a technology right it's kind of like so they can't own that so yeah portable gpt's or making a gpt standard would be a great thing for hugging face to do yeah okay good i got that off through a similar process and you know we did one of these when gpts first came out and then you can pick a few different models here that you want to have behind it so disruptive yes but um what i would say here is look now you're just starting to see the ecosystem go in two different directions with gpts you're limited to using their models here you can kind of pick between mixtral llama oh so pick the meta one i want to pick the meta one let's pick meta sure llama okay this is zuckerberg's open source and you saw his announcement with his stock ripping thank you yes yeah uh so let's uh name ours let's name ours healthy recipes okay okay and the description is um make healthy recipes well this is the description okay make healthy recipes whatever yeah like this is not the instructions right instructions on the instructor right you'll say uh you'll act uh as a world-class chef okay so you're giving the prompt you'll act as a world-class chef that provides healthy recipes uh to your users oh i gotta log in here okay but i get it you could put the all the instructions and you could say listen we don't want to use those oils now you people tell you don't use all these oils right and then you could say hey we're not going to use these vegetables that have inflammation.

42:28You're not going to include these, you're not going to include that you're going to, you know, keep sugars to natural sugars, and then boom, it just starts making your recipes. I love it. Exactly. Fantastic. This is great. So like, this is where like, if you're going to build a startup in AI, you're going to need to have training data as a differentiator brand or the accoutrement, the tools, the features around the AI, right? And so, yeah. Okay. And I'm, I'm working on like 2.0 of my vision for the inside stuff I showed you. Yeah. Yeah. And I'm going to show it to you because I got a, I got a new team working on it.

43:01I switched teams. Sometimes you got to switch teams, you know, switch teams. The team did a great job on the first part, but I wanted to go with a different type of team to build it. And I realized, well, everybody's going to be able to summarize the news. That's like table stakes. Like it's not going to be a big deal. So I came up with two ideas on top of that. that you can't replicate that have network effects. So anyway, I've been thinking through like, okay, all the cool little things you can do, summarizing, finding, whatever, that's all good. But there's another layer that you can't, which is the network, the brand, et cetera.

43:36So look for an inside app coming soon for this. This is another one where I'm going to give it a B plus to give it room to grow, but yeah, it's totally fantastic. What are you giving? I I'm going to be a little bit. I'm going to be a little bit higher there because I, what I like about this is, is embracing the open source ecosystem. And so I'm going to get, put them at an a, because what they're really doing is embracing all the different models, all the different companies that are putting models out there. And so that's going to lead to a much better ecosystem for us. And I think by taking the open approach, it's much better for everyone.

44:11Could, could you say, I want to build like a two layer, you know, app. I think they call these assistants. Is there a program? So they call it assistants instead of GPTs. Could you build one that says, hey, step one, we're going to help you write a script using Llama. You're a director, you're a screenwriter. Step two is we're going to take that and we're going to make a movie out of it instead of using the Llama model. What's the visual one? You use stable diffusion maybe. What's the video one? Runway.ml. I think that was runway. Right. So like you got to build it in two steps kind of situation.

44:50Really interesting. I'm going to give us a B plus. I think it's great. Yeah. Okay. Awesome. Let's do one more and then we'll wrap the show. Another great one. Okay. Another great show. You can see all of our AI demos at this week in startups.com slash AI. Okay. I'm going to go back to, to chat GPT for this one as well. I thought this was pretty cool. And you know, it's, it's a use case, which is really, i i think is going to take off it's using the 11 labs you know we've had them on before i think you guys even do a bunch of work with them and so uh what i did here was i said generate a short story for me then convert it into an audiobook two paragraphs and i did it using the 11 labs text to speech gpt 11 labs text to speech gpt correct so generate a story for me then convert it to an audio book two characters yes wow and then see the first thing it did was it it came back to me so what's the voice that you want to do it in and i picked jarvis and so then it created it did the story for me and then it generated the audio and if i go over here now the story that was generated i can play it and let's listen metropolis beneath the shadow of towering skyscrapers lay a quaint little bookstore that seemed almost forgotten by time so that's jarvis from uh iron man avengers iron man yeah i'm not sure where he made his debut yeah wow that's wild right and so like look at the number of things that have come together there the story generation is coming from you know the model right gpt4 then you have 11 labs doing their text-to-speech um as well and then yeah think about what we're going to be able to do very very quickly here and it's crazy yeah And then the question becomes, if I'm writing a novel, am I not going to use this?

46:44And then I'm going to start, I wonder if people are going to start saying, this is organic, 100 % human. Literally the label, 100 % human, no AI inside. I know it sounds crazy and dystopian, but I think people are going to start - Like you said, your next book would say there's no AI. No AI, AI free. You know how some people are into organic, non-GMO, they put labels on food. i wonder if we're gonna start labeling content like this is organic right so i made this that's impossible well i mean no it's not i mean people make acoustic music and they just say like imagine i said this is one take acoustic music i take out my guitar i play you the song and you get to experience tracy chapman i never saw that at the grammys the grammys yeah that was great huh i mean i was i got a lot of feels from that yeah but the you know like whatever 30 years later i saw your tweet right yeah i used to listen to that trait that tracy chapman outman meant a lot to me because i was eight 17 18 years old when it came out a 17 years old 1988 and i was going to fordham and i i got i had a cd walkman you know and i would you know get a bunch of double a batteries i'd pop that in there and that was like my guilty pleasure was listening to that album on the way to school uh you know fordham i went at night and i would commute and then to see her you know she's kind of a you know um doesn't perform i guess publicly or whatever all that much spotlight completely yeah first time in a long time that she's performed she was just so powerful then you see the guy singing with her who had done the cover of it and he's just in awe of her yeah it's just like a great like multi-generational awesome moment we're noticing a lot of things like she had no monitor like just old school right yeah you know yeah that's what i was noticing when she was playing there's some very intricate finger picking in that song yeah yeah um and i was watching for the finger picking and stuff like that and it's just like you know i think with this ai stuff just like we're going to be like free-range chicken as opposed to factory raised or no hormones no gmo whatever you know organic food whatever i think that's going to start happening where so much of what we consume is so processed content wise the words the music etc that people might say you know what i just want to see a human do this without the computer just like you might want you know some people might like to go to electronic music festival and watch somebody press the play button and then you know the dj is like moving a bunch of knobs i don't think they're actually changing anything i think they hit the play button in the set list everything is already done right like it's kind of already programmed they're just jumping around and you know getting the you're kind of getting everybody hyped but it's kind of fun to see somebody actually do it as a human and say wow the human can do it too yeah and it reminds me of like classic classic cars like there's a tesla yeah which is incredible and super safe drive you somewhere like you know but then there's like an old corvette mustang yeah well yeah and then you think about those cars so i think that you can get in there and change the carburetor you You can change the spark plugs.

49:49You could, you know, get a change. Adjust the timing a bit. Yeah. Yeah, everything. You can tweak it. And then think of this. All these cars now can drive themselves, can be remotely controlled. I don't know if you've turned this on on your Tesla, but you can turn the cameras on and it's like a remote camera system. Did you turn that on yet in the app? Yeah, I've seen that. Yeah, where you can turn it on and kind of look around the car. Yeah, I've seen that. So like when your car is in your driveway, you can be in bed and you hear something outside. you turn it on you can see all around your car so your car is like eight security cameras it's pretty crazy um yeah and you can see you can turn the inside camera on except if the car is moving then you can't turn it on so because some safety there um but i was just thinking if you don't want to be tracked you could get in a mustang leave your phone at home drive to mexico and have a a lot of cash and drive to mexico and just disappear or you could have your phone and your car and you'll live stream it for the entire world in hd it's like yeah the world has changed that much and this past year it's changed incredibly um all right so what do we give that from you basically created an audiobook soup to nuts i mean it's in a prompt in a prompt with jarvis who's like one of my favorite characters right yeah well it's also an actor who probably should be getting paid well i'm sure 11 is like you know they're 11 probably licensed it for him yeah yeah on a flat rate i bet he should be getting paid per minute to public when you when you hit you should be able to listen to it but when you publish it you should have to pay like a dollar per minute or a dollar per hour or something you should be getting some residual i give that a b okay right now i would give it an a if it actually uploaded it to a store and let people buy it not necessarily audible because they're going to not let you publish this stuff to audible yeah but if you could publish it to distro kid or whatever those third-party tools are like my friend film made where then there was a store where you could buy the audiobook that would be kind of cool so yeah i give it a b it's incredible it's extraordinary yeah yeah i i'm kind of there like b plus like it's all stitched together a bit and so the only thing it needs to go to like the next level it needs to be totally seamless publish get on you know the thing is it's all inside the chat gpt ecosystem i want that on my phone and i want it in my you know yeah oh here's the chapter headings here let's do the cover so it's like it's it's like it's getting there but i give it a bit all right listen been incredible it's been incredible great episode if you would like to be featured on this week in startups ai edition it's typically every monday thisweekinstartups.com slash ai to see all love to get the playlist and everything see all these bets and everything we're doing it's incredible um yeah just uh at mention us on the twitter or the x formerly known as twitter at sun deep at jason yeah i'm still at jason let's my account's been banned for asking somebody who they are you got you got pretty close there pretty close to my first twitter man in 15 years your your bestie jumped in for a second he jumped in yeah he jumped in for people who don't know what we're talking about it was we can talk about it here at the end of the show yeah of course sure uh so there's a i'm not going to say the name of the account because i don't want there to be like pile on or i'm just trying to let this thing settle there are anonymous accounts on twitter that have gotten very large some of them have been funny like goldman sachs elevator right or and then some of them have been particularly hurtful to some some people feel they've been hurtful i'm not making any political judgments here but like libs of tiktok is an account and the libs of tiktok account i will talk about because that's been a very public one um there is a term called doxing now what do you consider doxing i'm curious before today and this whole brouhaha that i got into on x what did you consider doxing well you know i'm kind of polluted now because i've read the thread but like so i'm gonna try to go back yeah yeah what i would have considered is basically um highlighting someone's true like true identity and public information like where they look like the whole doxing would be the whole like everything that's what i would have put it got it okay the package yeah yeah here's where you live here's where you work here's your name yeah got it exactly just public information yeah public information yeah i've always considered doxing like here's somebody's location and i i understand that people feel differently about this we're going to need a new term doxing location doxing identity so i'm going to for the purpose of this conversation we're going to have i'm going to say doxing location doxing identity doxing location we can all agree no bueno dangerous don't do it now doxing somebody's identity means if they use a pseudonym they call themselves you know libs of tiktok uh or whatever that account's called does that person have the right to be anonymous is the question what do you think on social media well i don't know if they have the right to be anonymous yeah but i think they're trying to be anonymous right and you know it's on them to protect themselves right it's like most of the these accounts you know even we've had some in our own circles right that were close to us and then you realize this is one of our friends or something like that as well so fake chamoff is coming to mind yes exactly right a parody account right so there's parody accounts yeah yeah and so i think the real challenge is is once once you're doing that like you have the right to remain that way no um but it's sort of i guess the double-edged sword that you get with um yeah and so with great power comes yeah so my position is hey with i simply asked and i did it multiple times because people kept asking me to cover yeah on the podcasts this one particular account i don't think your intent was like your intent wasn't like like who is this person where's his address it was like sort of like hey who is this person like who is this person i just had the same way it was with fake chamath right like who is this like who is this person right and then i asked the person himself like who are you yeah like i'm curious because you're breaking and this to the person's uh credit they seem to be breaking news or somebody's using them as a vehicle to break news so correct to peek behind the curtain when you have these large accounts yeah there can be it could be anything it could be an individual who is just a random person commenting great that's like one thing it could be a team a team of people it could be a political organization it could be a foreign actor who wants to spread misinformation it could be a useful idiot who is being given information by a foreign entity to spread it or by clever people who are using it to spread it and so the question is you know these things can get very big hundreds of thousands of followers perhaps millions i don't know if any of them have millions yet and so i believe people should own their words i believe it's fine for them to try to be anonymous i believe it's fine for people to try to figure out who they are in that game of cat and mouse you don't have the right to be anonymous and have a huge following um and then it's okay for platforms too to have different rules it turns out the rule on x now for those formerly known as twitter is you i guess the rule is you can't reveal somebody's identity identity yeah that's what was made clear by elon right he said you can't elon said you can't reveal people's identity and he wants to protect people because they don't want to lose their job i disagree i know this is incredible for people to think that you know two friends might disagree about something but there's different platforms reddit is got pseudonyms too twitter is going to be pseudonyms i like people to own their words and yeah that doesn't mean i want to actively you know have people get outed or whatever but i do think if you want to have a huge platform and you want to have impact in the world and cover things like politics or you know whatever or or do something full contact like the libs of tiktok account is very controversial because it's amplifying to a very large level things that are public already but that people maybe didn't expect that they would get brigaded when libs of tiktok highlights you know some live person saying something really stupid and then you know a thousand maga people attack the person or whatever so anyway i i think whistleblowers pseudonym accounts and anonymous sources they can all exist in the world i don't have a problem with them existing i also don't have a problem with whistleblowers being revealed it's dangerous but that's part of the the you know the choice you make as a whistleblower is that eventually you will be revealed you know that like it's almost a certainty pseudonyms you're going to be revealed eventually if you get any kind of credibility or uh growth and i actually think that publications like journalists rely on anonymous sources too much and i think if you that's where i think you can get people to understand the point we've all now seen anonymous sources are like a driving force of journalism now and it's way too much i mean you just go to somebody and you're like i'll give you anonymity if you say something crazy about this person and then you don't know if it's a lie or not and they gave the person anonymity it feels profoundly unfair to a lot of people and i think it's overused yeah what i mean that's my position i don't know what you think what i like about what elon said is he at least put the stake in the ground and said look this is what we're going to do here and so now he's clear and yeah and he's made it clear and if you don't like that i guess you don't have to use twitter or x right and and look i sort of expect in other places that you know if i'm reading maybe traditional media that they're not doing what you're saying which it does happen where if they have a source they'll verify who it is and they don't allow the source they they may keep the source anonymous for the sake of the article but they may go verify who the person is yeah they will verify who it is yes yeah yeah and so that's going to be the difference between x and um maybe well not traditional you want to know how they do that other platforms yeah you know let's say somebody was an employee of yours and they yeah wanted to leak a piece of information about a project you're working on the way they could prove that to a journalist is the journalist lets them contact them from their private email address and they say okay what's your linkedin page and you say oh this is my linkedin page so great um put the word in your bio uh put a comma after that word a typo you know put a typo there put two o's instead of one o and then refresh and then tell me to refresh the page i'll refresh okay now take it out we refresh okay now they've confirmed it's you yeah nobody else knows how they confirmed and you know now you're off to to the races so hopefully journalists are doing that kind of thing where they try to and then making sure that that linkedin page has existed for a long time and it is followed by other people the company whatever um but you know then the question then there's like all these edge cases that came up what if a journalist outs the libs of tiktok account which i think taylor lorenz did taylor lorenz found out who the person was and then wrote a story about it recently yep um if she did that in the new york times or washington post but didn't do it on tiktok did she get her x account banned no she didn't do it on x she didn't do it on x yeah you didn't do it on x okay now she links to her story where she did it does she get banned slippery slope man i don't know i would say yes in that case i would say yes because you link to it and so it's the same thing now if you link to it after the story comes out and say i disagree with this they shouldn't have outed this person and you link to the story did you dox them yeah i think if you link to a story where somebody got doxed are you doxing i don't think so i don't think i'm responsible at that point yeah no because the story's already out i think you're the original doxing right yes the original doxing by the way just a piece of advice somebody who's add security accounts don't run an anonymous account at scale if you have security concerns or turn this account off start a new one with a different persona and then roll your account so that because you the longer the footprint's out there the greater the chance they're going to get you you know and figure it out and these people do have ways of figuring it out they they figured out who um startup jackson was remember that startup jackson parker it was parker that was worked very closely with you yeah they figured it out i think because they took his tone of voice and then they used AI to check another thread, I think?

1:02:28No, no, no, no, no. I think so. Or they used some sort of software to say, like, what words did this person use in common? And it was, yeah. So anyway, I'm just people owning their words. That's a good little short discussion we had here about it. Okay. All right. Yes. So don't dox anybody. Don't obviously location dox anybody. AI will figure it out, though. AI is going to figure out who they are. Now someone's going to say, I just did this to use AI to figure out who they are. AI could also protect you. You could say, yes, Hey, I want to say this. Yeah, but say it for me in a way that's not traceable and not in my voice.