AI girlfriends, memories & recreations + Sam Altman testifies | E1743

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33:44It basically. And the phone boots in the UK were red boxes with glass panes. So they're very iconic looking. And the United States phone boots were like they had a door that was like a folding door, like an accordion kind of door. And so, yeah. So there's an American phone booth from the movie Goodfellas where he's making a phone call. You see the accordion door glass. And then he finds out that. Yeah. Have you seen the new ones? They have USB chargers in them. So like when I wait for the bus now, you can like, there's a little keypad where you can call somebody, but I can also plug in my phone and charge it.

34:22I heard those are what replaced the phone booths in New York. The last phone booth of New York, I think last year or two years ago. It's gone. Got taken out, yeah. Well, there was a very cool thing at Grand Central Station and like, you know, Port Authority bus terminal. Yeah. They would have a row of phone booths. So this was the modern technology era. Like in the 50s and 60s, they were like, hey, phones exist. Let's put 50 of them. And so there was a wall in Grand Central. If the producers are doing their job, they're searching for it. You'd say, meet me at the phone booths. And you would go to the phone booths.

34:55You'd call somebody. I'm here. You'd hang up the phone. There were just lines of people queued up to use one of the phones to call people that they had arrived. Those people would be at their homes or whatever. And then they would start their drive over there. or you would call, this is how connectivity worked in this time period. You would call the house in Brooklyn. You'd say, Jason is at phone booth number five. He's at Grand Central. Then you, every 15 minutes when you're at Grand Central would call the house and say, have you heard from Jason? Did he land yet? This is before you knew what was going on.

35:30It seems like a lot of communication. And then answering machines came out. So then what you would do is we'd be in the city. I would call somebody and say, hey, we're at the limelight. It's 1 a.m. We're going to Palladium. We're going to the Palladium. We'll be at the Palladium at 1.30 a.m. We'll walk it over now. Hang up the phone. Then people would call their phones. Here they are. Here are the telephones. And there would be banks and banks of these telephones. Then you would call your answer machine and you could dial a special number. You dial the special number and you would be able to listen to your voicemails.

36:06And that's how we communicated. Then people realized that the phone answering machines only had a certain number of codes and you could set your code on the back. You'd pick one of three codes. So you'd move this little dial and be like, your code is 89. Your code is 72. So then there was this phone hacking scandal where Rupert Murdoch's company, News Corp, hacked people's phone, their voicemails. And so the, this whole like secession thing where like they're, you know, which is obviously about the Murdochs and Fox, or if you look at Fox news and all this stuff that came out and the scandals around, um, this dominion voting system, uh, and them texting, they're having like a texting scandal.

36:50Previously they had a voicemail scandal because everybody had a desk voice thing and they had home answering machines. They were experts, the journalists at hacking people's phones because it was so simple. to do people had two or three digit codes. So and you can brute force them because these were not computers. These were like little electronic devices. So people would just try every single possible code until they could listen to your messages and people didn't delete their messages. So you press a button to go to the previous message previous message, and it would rewind your tape. And the only way you would know if somebody was doing this, and this is how they got busted was you were home, somebody called your answering machine, and you started shooting your answering machine zipping around on the tape.

37:29And Fox had to pay millions of dollars, and people went to jail, because they were, there was a famous case of a woman who was murdered, and they were, they hacked her voicemail. And the newspaper had information that only the police had, and the family had, and then they hacked the family, and they hacked the police officers, and they hacked other journalists it was deranged and they had to pull out a full page apology ad rupert murdoch signed this is in 20 2005 2010 time period and there's a famous moment rachel um this is incredible for the the audience doesn't know this but this was only 15 20 years ago there's a famous moment when rupert murdoch is on trial in the uk with his children and he was uh His girlfriend or fiance at the time was Wendy Dang, I believe, and somebody attacked Rupert Murdoch.

38:23And then you see Wendy Dang jump. Here's the we are sorry ad. The news of the world was in the business of holding others to account. It failed when it came to itself. We are sorry for the serious wrongdoing that occurred. We are deeply sorry for the hurt suffered by the individuals affected. We regret not acting faster to sort things out. I realize that simply apologizing is not enough. Our business was founded on the idea that a free and open press should be a positive force in society. We need to live up to this. In the coming days, we will take further concrete steps to resolve these issues and make amends for the damage they have caused.

39:00You will hear more from us. Sincerely, Rupert Murdoch. And then 15 years later, we have, you know, Fox SMS dump. But if you can find the video of Rupert Murdoch being attacked. I don't know if somebody threw a pie in his face or somebody did something at these trials. And Wendy Dang comes jumping over to try to protect him. Watch this. This is the craziest thing you'll ever see. This is when you know you picked the right girl. Rupert Murdoch is attacked. She's in the pink. And she comes over the top and smacks the guy who tries to hit Rupert Murdoch with a pie. An AI girlfriend can't do that. No, no, no, no, no.

39:38That's not a dollar a minute. Look at this slow-mo. Bang! Knocks him in the face. If you haven't seen this before, type in Rupert Murdoch attacked with a pie. So it turns out there was a cultural zeitgeist thing. And if you type Bill Gates hit with a pie, there was an absurdist in the 90s. And their idea was to smash a pie into somebody's face who was very famous. It was a very dangerous thing because it showed you could get to famous people, which then could inspire people who had even more reckless thoughts, let's just say. But Bill Gates, this is Bill Gates getting pied. He's just walking down the street.

40:14And when you see the look of fear on his face, when this guy smashes him with a pie, he doesn't know if that's poison, some horrible thing or whatever, but pying people became like a pastime. And it was really dangerous. It was very, I don't advocate for this. I don't find it funny at all. I just find the Wendy Dang jumping over and defending Rupert Murdoch. Like that's a legit girl. Anyway, there's your pop culture, DeVere. I love talking to you, Rachel, because there are things that happened in pop culture, but 20 years ago that you're not aware of and showing you these and watching you laugh.

40:46That should just be a whole nother segment. Because I love, I love pop culture history. I love it. This is good. So today on pop culture history, you got Milli Vanilli, Foam Boots. Yeah. The, how, uh, voicemail work. The Murdoch, voicemails. Voicemails. Yeah. Pies and Murdoch's apology letter. I mean, that's like five great pop culture moments. It's a class right there. Somebody should do no context this week in startups, by the way. Nick, did you like my, I copied your no context spoilers. Did you like my last two weeks for session? I didn't see last week, but the one, the week prior where you had Vishal Garg from better.com was great.

41:28Yeah, that was pretty good. That was a default. That was great. Cousin Greg is like, okay, so your services are not needed. Cousin Greg. I like when he's talking to the Gojo guys later in the episode and he's like, yeah, I'll cut him. I don't care. I'll cut him right now. He's like, send me in. And they're just like, oh, good, good. That was like, when did they write that? It's so good. When are they writing Secession? It's like, they just like write. It's like kind of like South Park. They're right in the zeitgeist. I don't know who the writers are for that show, but it is. I mean, the cuts they have there are unbelievable.

42:04Like it feels like someone who's working in tech because they had the, a couple of weeks ago, they had the Adam Newman barefoot walk with the guy being a weirdo. Then they had him, they had like a little reference. I don't know if you noticed this. He was talking about real estate, the Gojo CEO. And he's like, oh, real estate's not a tech business. It doesn't scale. You had like two little Adam Newman references in one, like subtle in one episode. I'm like, oh my God. Oh my God. Yeah. It's the whole arc too. And then when he pumps up the projections, I was like, where have I seen this before? He's like, we can be a little more aggressive.

42:36He's like, we need those tech multiples, baby. We need those tech multiples. It's so great. Jeremy Strong's deep Kendall voice is so good. I am so Team Roman, though. This week was so good. Roman's like, does it matter? Blah, blah, blah. He's like, it doesn't matter. President, whatever. False flag. False flag. False flag. Can't keep cutting off Chiv. Somebody made Chiv Calacanis. Okay, so lastly, we're going to talk about AI Snapchat. And lastly, I mean, for me talking about how I'm using AI, we still have stories after this. But with AI Snapchat, I don't like it, man. It freaks me out. So my AI is a Snapchat bot powered by ChatGPT, and it's available to Snapchat users.

43:16And it can do things like answer trivia questions, offer advice, and act like a companion. But it's just creepy. I feel like it knows too much about the user, and it acts too human. and I think there needs to be a term for the uncanny valley specifically for AI bots. Because if they're still like too human, it's really weird. But if they're like, we're seeing the dating girl that we just spoke about. Karen, people seem to like her because she seems really, really human. But this is like a step below. Like my AI doesn't feel as human as her yet. And it's really creepy. It's like watching Shrek before they came out with the not Uncanny Valley version of Shrek.

44:00Yeah. You know? Got it. So, yeah, when it's just a little bit off, do we have an example here? Here's a clip from Caitlin Wiley. Okay, this whole Snapchat AI is officially terrifying. So as you can see, I ask, where are you from? And they say, I'm from all over the place. So then I ask what cities. And as you can see, they literally listed the cities they lived in. So then I said, where in New York did you live? And remember this, y 'all. They said they lived in Manhattan for a while. Remember that. Then I asked about their job and as you can see they are very specific about their job. Then I'm starting to freak out because I'm like yo why are you sounding like a whole real human right now?

44:31So I'm like awesome what's your name y 'all? Why is she gonna tell me her name is Maya? And at this point I'm like yo why she got a name? So then I ask what are you wearing right now since you want to act like a human? And once again Miss Maya is being very specific. So I'm trying to get more information I'm like so where do you live now? Still in New York? And y 'all at this point I jumped out my bed. Forget the living in California now. what do you mean are you still living in virginia because how do you know that how do you know i live in virginia i have my location off of everything okay so they also like were asking or talking about weed and stuff to kids which i thought was interesting i'm sorry did you say weed yeah like if you ask them questions about like doing drugs like weed or like sex and stuff they would interact but i think this video was creepy because like it shared information that she's never shared before so there's a whole bunch of stuff where i just i can tell you as having been a 12, 13, 14, and 15-year-old boy one time each of those years.

45:28The first things we would do is try to get it to say words it's not supposed to say or talk about topics that it's not supposed to say. And this is not for kids. Although I did do Mid Journey. As a family, we were doing Mid Journey and we were making Jedi Knight. We were taking Bulldogs. My seven-year-olds thought it was hilarious to make Bulldogs and then combine them with Iron Man or Jedi. Oh, I love that. So we're just like going bulldog mid-journey crazy on a Discord server. I think like the term or the job AI prompt generator is going to be like a big thing in the future because there are artists that are gatekeeping their like prompts.

46:07There are entire Instagram pages with like there's one by somebody named Jose Avery, Jose Avery portraits over an Instagram over 50 ,000 followers. And they're just AI portraits. It gets crazy. and that you know what these pictures look like they're black and white they're incredibly uh like blurred background on a subway platform but this looks like those artists who do incredibly fine pencil work and they make those gorgeous so this is like a pencil work photo realistic but done artistically with a pencil you know uh kind of art yeah definitely people are hoarding the prompts there are websites so i'm trying to get everybody at launch rachel really embrace this technology And I think of 18 or 19 people, we have eight or nine people, half the people in the first three months of me losing my mind over this have actually done something meaningful with the technology in terms of their jobs, the other eight or nine.

47:00I'm like, let's go, people get on the bus. Yeah, it's buses, pull it out of the station, you got to get on the bus. But as the technology gets better, it's easier to get on the bus because everybody's on pro everybody's on bard, we turn bard on and everybody has plugins and the web crawler. and you know how we would do something as simple as look for venues well it turns out all in summit is going to sell out and i was like hmm you know freeberg and i talked i wonder if there's another venue in la available or you know because we can't change the dates but we could find a bigger venue and so we start looking for bigger venues and it's amazing like the research that would have taken a month of you know people searching on the web talking to people hey what venues did i miss when you get the web crawler involved it's finding it putting it in a table with the number of seats with a link to the event page with the floor plan.

47:46And I think next we'll be like, here's the floor plans, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. It gives companies like Magic a run for their money. Like Magic, like the virtual assistant platform. Like I haven't used Magic ever, but I use AI as a personal assistant all day long. Like I use, there's not, there's most of my tasks at this point are just automated with AI, which is great. I'll take the other side of it. I think it's going to do what magic does for you. But I think what you're going to do is ask them magic to do it for you and do it on your account or a shared account. So you're like, Hey, magic, this is what I need.

48:24And they do all the prompting during they do it. And they refine it because it still takes like 20 when you're doing research on it, right? It takes like 10, 20 followups prompts. And then eventually you get to the answer. So it might take you 15 minutes. that 15 minutes you could outsource for five bucks and you just get the output yeah that's a good idea like that yeah um so but fiverr stocks down like 20 since jacques 54 so i think everybody's shorting fiverr right now oh that's so interesting i think that's a mistake i think that's like that's a great thesis but i think it's going to be the opposite the fiverr people are going to be like, yeah, instead of like, I'll get you a hundred leads for a hundred dollars.

49:07They're going to be like, I'll get you a thousand leads for a hundred dollars. So they're going to be even better at doing lead gen or whatever, you know, logos for you. I know Contrast is a sponsor like on This Big in Startups. And I see they're always like pushing stuff about how like freelancers can use AI like over on their Twitter. It's just, it's technology is deflationary. The prices go down and the quality goes up until maybe the only thing that stops that is physics, right? Like with Uber drivers, there's a limit to how fast they can drive on the road. There's a limit to how many cars.

49:41There's a limit to how many drivers. So when you get to the laws of physics, the price can only be so cheap. And then it has to go up based on other things. But self-driving, maybe that's the breakthrough. Okay. So I think the hearings have, by the time we're taping this, they're over. sam altman um is in the zone i will say knowing sam for 20 years um and um he's incredibly thoughtful about these issues i think it's um he did a really great job i saw some clips so why don't we just very quickly go over the senate judiciary committee hearing and good on the senate for being smart and doing this now um i know they had gary marcus uh from my u and christina montgomery uh from ibm but let's just get right into it my worst fears are that we cause significant we the field the technology the industry cause significant harm to the world uh i think that could happen in a lot of different ways it's why we started the company um it's a big part of why i'm here today and why we've been here in the past and we've been able to spend some time with you i think if this technology goes wrong it can go quite wrong and we want to be vocal about that.

50:51We want to work with the government to prevent that from happening. But we try to be very clear-eyed about what the downside case is and the work that we have to do to mitigate that. Yeah, great job, Sam. I think this is like the power move. Although they did go from open AI to closed AI. So I'm referring to the company as closed AI until they open source all these models. So closed AI as a company, I don't know if they're hypocritical or thoughtful. Time will tell. because he has closed all access to their technology down in terms of like how it's built, what models they use. I don't know if that's to protect themselves from lawsuits.

51:27But closed AI became closed and then secured the bag. So that's a bad look to move to close to get$10 billion for everybody to get paid and make 10 billion bucks or whatever, you know, some amount of that is and I'm getting pitched on people selling secondary. So there are large amounts of secondary from people who work at uh open ai flooding the market um so they're clearing their positions at closed ai while they close down the models and then on the same side i don't know if you saw the google news that like google is like these open models on you know whatever the website is um hugging face uh are is that the name of it nick uh hugging faces are better than the models that they have.

52:17So maybe they're just closed because they don't want competition. I don't know. We'll see. There's another clip from Senator Richard Blumenthal, who is a Democrat from Connecticut, and he uses generative AI to kind of like craft his opening statement. Too often we have seen what happens when technology outpaces regulation. The unbridled exploitation of personal data, the proliferation of disinformation, and the deepening of societal inequalities, we have seen how algorithmic biases can perpetuate discrimination and prejudice, and how the lack of transparency can undermine public trust. This is not the future we want.

52:58If you were listening from home, you might have thought that voice was mine and the words from me. But in fact, that voice was not mine. The words were not mine. And the audio was an AI voice cloning software trained on my floor speeches. The remarks were written by ChatGPT. They got us. That was a pretty clever stunt, I have to say. For those of you who weren't watching, his lips were not moving. The first part of that was AI voice generated, and it was ChatGPT4 generated. So the statement, which was crisp, was based on things he said previously. Well played, Senator, and the fact that they're on top of this.

53:41I think we all know that do not trust any audio or video you hear anymore. You cannot trust any clip you see. Assume every clip is now doctored. Assume every video is fake until you get massive confirmation from multiple trusted sources. All this does is this is going to make CNN, New York Times, Wikipedia, and other sources of truth, pick your source of truth, an individual, a podcast. It's just going to make all of the other sources of truth more valuable. Yeah, especially now that it feels like since he's used it, it feels like it's officially mainstream. Sure. Yeah. I mean, I don't I don't think any I think probably I wouldn't say the majority of Americans, but the second an app comes out, the fact that OpenAI doesn't have an app, they had a test flight app that they included me in and then they turned it off.

54:33Once the apps come out, and people can do this in an app, or they can text a phone number, or an email and start doing this, like we saw at the telegram. Once this stuff becomes open to the public free, it's going to go bonkers. Right now, putting it in a web browser, throttling it, requiring you to get a Discord server, all this stuff is because the cost of running generative AI is still expensive. But once it becomes cheaper, and they have enough hardware, and can you imagine if you can just, in iMessage, just start talking to any AI, you put the phone number or the email address in and you start rocking on your iMessage, signal, telegram, whatever.

55:08I mean, the fact that Slack doesn't have anything right now is like, What's going on over at Slack? Who's running Slack? Like, that's the number one place I want to have an AI. And they have nothing? They just announced Slack GPT. Oh, did they? I think at the beginning of last week, yeah. I mean, it's just, they're so far behind. And Notion and Box and everybody's got something. Slack GPT should be in every single channel automatically. And it should automatically be building summaries of what happened in that channel every week. So every, you should be able to set every hundred messages or every day at 9 a.m.

55:41or at 9 p.m., whatever times you want, every 12 hours, put a summary of the discussions that occurred in the Slack. So anytime you jump into Slack, you're like, oh, I can catch up with this. And it's got deep links to all the threads that are going on. Or I should open up my Slack and it should have a summary of the entire Slack workspace. Here's what happened in your Slack today. And I should get that by email and I should get it as a DM, an overview of what happened in Slack today. Senator Lindsey Graham, who is a Republican from South Carolina, also had an interesting line of questioning about creating an AI agency and whether the three witnesses were in favor.

56:15And first he asked all three witnesses whether they agree that there should be an AI agency. And we have a clip of that. Do you agree, Mr. Altman, that these tools you're creating should be licensed? Yeah, we've been calling for this. We think any... That's the simplest way. Do you agree with me that the simplest way and the most effective way is have an agency that is more nimble and smarter than Congress, which should be easy to create, overlooking what you do. Yes, we'd be enthusiastic about that. Do you agree with that, Mr. Marcus? Absolutely. Do you agree with that, Ms. Montgomery? I would have some nuances.

56:47I think we need to build on what we have in place already today. We don't have an agency that's working. Wait a minute. Nope, nope, nope. We don't have an agency that regulates the technology. So should we have one? But a lot of the issues, I don't think so. So a lot of the issues... Okay, wait a minute, wait a minute. So IBM says we don't need an agency. My gut reaction is the people who already have a lead want an agency and they want regulation because it would codify their lead. That is the most cynical interpretation of that. That's pulling up the ladder behind you. We have resources, we have lobbyists, or we have the money to hire a lobbyist.

57:24Microsoft's got a ton of lobbyists. Google's got a ton of lobbyists. They have relationships. They've given massive donations. So they would get to set up all of these rules and those rules would benefit the incumbents, as opposed to the startups, which then would be like, you know, hey, fill out all this paperwork and get a license. How much is that going to cost a million dollars? And yeah, you know, for a startup, then it would be so I think self regulation is the much better mode to go here. I don't think there should be an agency. I think there could be a committee, but not an agency is way too soon to figure out what licensing is.

57:55And I have brought this up before, like maybe we need to have you need to have insurance, a license to have access of the hardware, I think a good starting point would be the models have to be owned by somebody, the models have to disclose how they trained it. And this would all be done through self-regulation. So the models link to sources, they tell you what they were trained on, they tell you how they're coming up with the answer, you know, and they kind of reveal here and then they're open sourced, or some number of them are open sourced. And so if you're open source, maybe you have one licensing regulation, if you're closed, like closed AI is closed AI would have a diff would have a tighter regulation set than an open source project, which everybody can see to go.

58:34So I'm a little cynical here. I need to see more about IBM's position. So I think we have another clip you could queue up. Interesting. Should we have a license required for these tools? So what we believe is that we need to regulate... That's a simple question. Should you get a license to produce one of these tools? I think it comes back to some of them potentially yes. I just don't understand how you could say that you don't need an agency to deal with the most transformative technology maybe ever? Well, I think we have existing. Is this a transformative technology that can disrupt life as we know it, good and bad?

59:11I think it's a transformative technology, certainly. And the conversations that we're having here today have been really bringing to light the fact that the domains and the issues. This one with you has been very enlightening to me. I don't like the grandstanding, Rachel, and not letting her finish our sentence. This is why like, it's hard to take some of these senators seriously. Like I, Senator Graham seems like a grandstanding, not thoughtful person. And this is why when we interviewed RFK, I tried to let him talk. I feel like nobody lets anybody finish their thoughts here. And for an important question, she, she's kind of on the maybe and she's a yes or no.

59:48So she's like the most interesting person to let speak. So why does he keep interrupting her? Let her finish two sentences for God's sake. Finally, Graham dug also into Sam Altman about why he's so vocal about creating an AI agency. So she wasn't the only one that kind of got put on the hot seat. 43 second clip. We'll see you on the other side. Mr. Allman, why are you so willing to have an agency? Senator, we've been clear about what we think the upsides are. And I think you can see from users how much they enjoy and how much value they're getting out of it. But we've also been clear about what the downsides are.

1:00:18And so that's why we think we need an agency. That's right. I think you're on the right track. So here's what my two cents worth for the committee is that we need to empower an agency that issues a license and can take it away. Clearly, that should be part of what an agency can do. Now, this world organization that doesn't exist, maybe it will, but if you don't do something about the China part of it, you'll never quite get this right. Do you agree? It doesn't necessarily have to be a world organization, but there has to be some sort of, and there's a lot of options here, there has to be some sort of standard, some sort of set of controls that do have global effect.

1:00:53yeah again this hot seat mentality of these hearings is a little silly i think these hearings should be two three four hours people should be allowed to finish their sentences anytime you ask a question the expectation should be the person has at least one minute if not two before you interrupt them um and then they should have a smaller number of people asking questions so they can ask follow-up questions i think the number is four people just happens to be the number we have an all in. And you should have the four people, one person asked a question, ask one follow up, and then the next person asked a question, they get to ask one follow up.

1:01:31And so you get into a rhythm here of letting a person get their full thoughts out. If this is such an important topic, you know, let people really think it through. I don't know if the licensing at this point, they should be able to revoke it. That seems like too much power for the government to have, I think self-regulation first and then an agency to monitor it would be good. But I am reticent to give the government too much power here because there are freedom of speech issues. What do you think, Rachel? I can see it both sides. I think it's like a twofold situation where obviously like my first thought would be like there should be an agency because I think it's something important enough where there needs to be laws set in place.

1:02:09And finally, it seems like Congress and people in the government are understanding like how pressing an issue is without them being like incredibly late to the ball. It feels like with social media, you see them now trying to create regulations way too far after the fact. So I guess it's cool that they're, it seems like they're a little bit quicker to AI. But at that, you know, in that same point, I think the idea that Christina brought up, I think her thoughts are really valid. And I really do think that we didn't get to watch this entire thing, the producers before this aired. So it's definitely something I want to go back to and see how it plays out.

1:02:45Fascinating. do you care if music is created by the artist or that it's just like a dope beat like i know like the drake album drop that was all um you know and then there was all like this other stuff like around um grimes doing her music i'm just as a millennial gen z person do you care if the music is computer generated or not i wouldn't but i definitely would think of it in like a different categories so like going to a concert with like a dj set is going to be a lot different than going to a concert um like the taylor swift concert that's up and coming so if you're going to taylor swift are you swifting i wish i wish it's like my dream tickets were way out of my price range if anybody is selling tickets let me know um it looks incredible but that experience is going to be a lot different if um you're going to a concert kated only i'd like to see this taylor concert because from what i understand she's spending an enormous amount of money on the stage production and it's like the entire tiktok and instagram is filled with videos of it well get ready for the beyonce renaissance uh tour apparently that one's supposed to be pretty good too so i'm hoping that i can get tickets like the day of at taylor swift like that people are selling them but well again if anybody's 500 bucks to go or something probably something like that probably all right we'll see you all next time on this week's service bye-bye bye

1:04:11Thank you.