GPT-4 web browsing, plugin demos, AI layoffs + more with Sunny Madra & Vinny Lingham | E1737

0:00It's such a good product that it has market pull. So this is an important lesson for founders. You can put social features into a product like multiplayer mode to make it grow. And you can imagine multiplayer mode is going to be bonkers in chat GP4. All of the examples we have right now, you could have just added me to them. And then we could have each been asking questions at the same time with our own accounts and have it making forked threads of the conversation. So I take yours and then I ask two questions and it goes on a decision tree. Vinny asks them and it goes on a different decision tree.

0:32And then we say, take this from Vinny's and combine it with Sonny's, right? And we could be working in one chat stream with three employees or 20 employees and two or three different AIs. But yeah, I understand his point. But what he has to understand is this is such a transcendent product that you can't shut up about it if you use it. This Week in Startups is brought to you by LinkedIn Marketing. To redeem a free$100 LinkedIn ad credit and launch your first campaign, go to linkedin.com slash thisweekinstartups. Hyperice. Warm up and recover faster with the Hypervolt 2 massage gun and Normatec compression therapy boots.

1:15Save$50 off your order of$150 or more with code TWIST50 at checkout at hyperice.com. and Trovada. Starting up is hard. Trovada makes managing cash easy. Start automating your cash management at Trovada.io slash twist. Use code twist for 30 % off one full year of premium features like AI forecasting. All right, everybody, welcome back to this week in startups. We're doing our AI roundtable. Everybody's obsessed in Silicon Valley. We can't stop talking about it. We can't stop playing with it ai is changing everything this is not a drill we are seeing advances every day every week every hour uh it's got to be hundreds of thousands of developers have now pivoted to focusing focusing on this i've got hundreds of entrepreneurs in our portfolio and contacting me uh weekly with incredible ideas so we are doing our weekly ai roundup with sunny madra and vinnie lingham every week now because these two individuals are playing with it uh they're a lifelong technologist so sonny and vinnie welcome back to the program thanks to you guys we're gonna do it weekly just to keep up with the pace i mean it's crazy how much feedback i'm getting from this thing all over like people are pinging me left right in center now so i mean i think a lot of people watching this and i mean you guys you tell me how popular is this amongst all your segments well it's i think it's uh becoming the most popular if i'm being honest And the reason is because we're actually bringing demos and we're breaking things down on a very tactical basis.

2:56The conversation of philosophy and mission and 30 ,000 feet, it's burnt out. Everybody's kind of talking about AI safety and the business models and Microsoft versus Google. I think all of that is not as important as just keeping up with what did people build in the past week. So that's what we're going to try to do here is we're going to try to talk. In today's demo, about 10 days ago, OpenAI released a new model. It's called Web Browsing with GPT-4. It's still in alpha. It sucks. I've been using it. It breaks constantly. But you can start to see how promising it is. Now, I do think you have to be invited to this.

3:36It's for people who have what's called chat GPT plugins. We've talked about plugins here before. Plugins is a framework. mark i think you um explained this perfectly um sunny previously chat gpt4 is the reasoning engine and the data sets the models the things that you're going to pull information from on the plugins they had web browsing correct me if i'm wrong here sunny with gpt35 but now you put four with it it's working a lot better and i think um vinnie you have uh some demos you're going to do later in the show, but maybe we'll start with you, Sonny. Explain to us why ChatGPT4 with web browsing is so important and what it's going to do for people.

4:18Yeah. So, you know, when this first came out, one of the major limitations was the response that, you know, my data set is only accurate as of September 2021. And that creates a lot of limitations in terms of using the technology for something that's quite temporal right now. And so with this release of the web browsing capability, there's many tasks that we conduct on a daily basis that we're conducting all the time that we can leverage a tool for. We'll see some limitations here, but we'll go through a couple of different examples that cross some different verticals and we can show the power of what the tool can be used for.

5:00and and uh i actually did one just before uh for a friend that that email be looking for a job description so maybe uh should we just dive in and start that one yeah great okay and then if you're uh not watching this go to youtube.com slash this weekend or go to spotify to watch this week in startups or do a search for this weekend startups video on itunes and you'll find the video version of this and of course sports cast it uh sunny as you know we describe what we're seeing So my good friends run a software development company called Laser Technologies, and they sent me a message in a WhatsApp group saying, hey, could you help with a job description for a startup and VC ecosystem lead?

5:44And I kind of did the thing, what we're all doing now, which we all should be doing. I just typed it in. So my prompt for those listening is, can you write a job description for a startup and VC ecosystem lead to help at Laser? And then I just gave ChatGPT the link to their website. That's about it. And you can see here, and I'm not going to read the whole job description, but it comes up with a job description, which describes the company and its background. It comes up with a set of responsibilities, and it comes up with a set of requirements. And it even closes with the all-important, Laser Technologies is committed to creating a diverse and inclusive environment.

6:22We encourage applications from all qualified individuals. it went well i don't know if that's woke i think that's no that's best practices exactly yeah yeah that's what i was saying i don't think it's woke but so here's a use case where it you know went out and looked at their latest website and pulled those things in um i'll go to a kind of a different one right now as well um here's one where you know you can have it look at a particular piece of code and in this case i asked it and i took this example from rowan i want to give a shout out to he has a great great twitter account and uh and newsletter and i think we're going to pull it up in a bit here as well and so he kind of inspired this one so i said what are the five areas of potential improvement of the twitter algorithm and i gave it the link the github link to the new twitter algorithm and it basically came up with a response and i'll again i'll just read part of it and says based on the github repository you provided i was able to find several components of twitter's algorithm, including the unified user actions and user signal service.

7:24And it explains what those are. And then it found a detailed proposal by a user on how to change those things. And so I think this is really cool in that this is where we saw some limitations. And this is where you're kind of seeing the combination of bringing access to the web and its reasoning engine and looking at additional details around what's happening where you pointed to come up with something interesting. And maybe my last example here today is, I feel like this is part of what Insight does, Jason. And this may change how Insight thinks of things. And this one, it didn't complete the task completely.

8:02And again, I'll read the prompt, which is, what are the 10 most interesting tech stories from the last week? Put the results in a table and write a short summary and link to the original story. So it doesn't pull off the last bit, but it does find some interesting stories, which is, I think, a starting point. I have a little bit of a suspicion as why this is not doing a good job. And I'm going to just click down in the link here where it shows. There's a dropdown that shows, just to be clear here, what Google searches or Bing searches, I'm assuming, it went to and then it clicked on. So it says, hey, I clicked on this.

8:36I'm reading the content. I did a search, tech news, March, May 1st, 2 May 8th. So you can actually see what searches it's doing. so it's kind of behind the scenes you know um and it really does uh a really nice job yeah and it does a nice job now this you know maybe the good news for the folks at inside it hasn't replaced them completely yet because this answer is not sufficient they're definitely more than three stories and it should have been able to complete it but like we've been talking about i think this is 90 days away from answering this question properly and so um well interesting you bring this up i literally had a board meeting for inside.com last week and i presented our ai vision i'm looking to hire two full-time ai developers to work at inside to work on this exact problem so what we're doing just broad strokes is we're going to take a newsletter like inside.com podcasting take the last hundred or 200 email newsletters put that into a language model and then have all the sources and then have the curation going and looking for sources done by ai have a first draft summary put onto the website um and then just say this is the inside ai bot that put it at inside.com slash podcasting and then our editors our writers will look at the 10 or 20 that come in from the curator the ai curator and edit them and check the facts with a big disclaimer on it and then what that will do for the writers is they no longer have to curate or write maybe 70 of the writing will be done for them and 95 of the curation they can redeploy that time to then go call subjects and ask follow-up questions and so that's our sort of concept is they can do other original acts of journalism but man this is um um a really interesting turn of events i just want to show you something that i just did here but pull this one up nick um i just asked with the open web browser um not to rub salt in anybody's wounds who's speaking at calicanus's latest conference and i didn't mention the latest conference is the angel summit uh that's happening in napa june 5th and 6th and 7th and it went out and i'm just sharing the chat gp this is shared gpt i don't know if you guys use this but shared gpt lets you take a result and share it on the open web and it nailed it and it made a nice bullet pointed a list and then i said hey can you hyperlink to the person's corporate page and to their their name to their linkedin page and let me see if i got brad gerstner correct in chat gpt share gpt doesn't recognize hyperlinks or does it are there hyperlinks on those i couldn't see them did they work did he get to yes the hyperlink went up to his website altimeter yeah okay but it didn't get if you click on brad's name did it get to did it get you his proper linkedin or no yep it did look at that it's loading linkedin but no it didn't get that right okay didn't get it right guess it seems like linkedin does not work with chat gpt well i don't i guess that's something that's going to have to be addressed but man did it get the corporate address as well um and uh yeah i had it linked to pitch book for valor me because valor has a you're not maybe they came up higher in it but this is really going to get interesting because then i could say give me a short one sentence bio for each speaker and put them in a table and you start thinking about like how much work this would be like this is what you would be giving to a research assistant or an operations person in your company Okay, when you're selling B2B solutions, you really want to get in front of decision makers, the ones who make the purchasing decisions.

12:29But the problem is these folks can be hard to find and target on most social networks, right? People are talking about politics, they're sharing selfies, they're going cooking videos, all that kind of stuff. Well, you need to pick the right platform to reach these folks. And the perfect platform is LinkedIn. Now we know LinkedIn has 875 million members. But did you know 180 million of those are the senior level executives who okay purchases? And there's 10 million C level executives as part of that 180 million. And those are the people who really, really can push through a decision to buy your product or services.

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13:37So here's your simple call to action, make B2B marketing everything it can be and get$100 credit towards your next campaign by going to linkedin.com slash this week in startups. That's right. LinkedIn.com slash this week in startups terms and conditions do apply. And I try to explain to people exactly like how powerful this is. The number I keep getting to Vinny is 30 % of people's work this year. I had Brian Chesky from Airbnb on the podcast last week. i just interviewed reed hoffman and i also um talked to aaron levy from box because he's added much features they asked them all to tell me what percentage of your team members work this year will be replaced by ai i've been using the number 30 internally chesky said 20 to 30 depending on the position some positions might be 50 some might be 10 aaron levy said it could be 50 for customer support um but i'll go with 30 and reed hoffman also said like depending on the person i think like yeah 20 30 40 so we all came with one third vinnie what say you in your experience you're building weight room uh you're building other civic what percentage of your own personal tasks are you offloading this year do you think and what what is your team experiencing I mean personally I'm doing a lot using um using you know judge ebt at open ai a lot like everything from health research summarizing stuff taking like large documents that I just want to like you know get a quick summary of it's saving me a ton of time uh when trying to read through especially like you know reasonably complex things uh where you have to have a lot of focus and tension it's very easy thing to get through quickly so it's helping me a lot just you know the the summary the summarization features are incredible um i posted a tweet and i'll put the link up here um for nick um you know i posted a tweet where i you know i spoke about the economy and where i think things are going um but it actually related to ai you know for a bit the the ai part is like i think we're going to get to this recession that everyone's talking about and companies are going to lay off people and we're going to get unemployment to over six percent by end of year because that's what that's what Powell's trying to do by the way like he keeps talking about the tight labor market he needs to loosen it up now whether it's five or six percent maybe his goal is five or four and a half five he's going to overshoot it with like no doubt there's going to be an overshooting of this so we're going to go to six percent call it that now here's the question when he tries to get it back is it going to work is he tries to like lower rates and my thesis here is it's not going to work because what's happening is companies are laying off people and those people basically are going to be replaced by AI and then those jobs are not coming back.

16:33This is a very interesting take. It's a very different take where people have thought. People thought that companies are going to replace workers with AI and lay off people because of AI. No. When you have a team that gets reduced in size and now they have to make do with fewer people, they learn to become a lot more efficient. They learn to use the tools that are out there to replace the functions that their colleagues used to do. And then they don't need those colleagues anymore. So that's my thesis going into this. And running a startup, for example, we got rid of our QA, outsource QA function, because we can get the unit test done through OpenAI.

17:14Engineers can check their code. We can make things far more faster, far more efficient. And I think that's going to, so the impact that AI is going to have in the short term is on all the jobs which are kind of like, you know, a lot of this is outsourced, by the way, to Eastern Europe and whatever else. So QA testing, copywriting, you know, like those sorts of jobs where AI can just do it for you. Web scraping, sales development reps, all this stuff has been human capital in Manila, Eastern Europe. Exactly, exactly. Just a damn hollow. Sometimes it's English as a native language. Sometimes English as a second language.

17:50But if you want$5 an hour to$15 an hour workers on demand, you can find it in those places. The low-income workers are going to get hit hard. Yeah, exactly. They're going to get hit brutally hard, unless they're using these tools, which would then make them bionic. Well, no. Because why would you have to outsource to someone else? Regardless, even if there's five guys doing it, now there's one. regardless whether you outsource that person or have them here it's it's an 80 % reduction what do you say so what do you say to this thesis that we're going to see the people who were laid off this is the first time i've heard anybody say this so we're going to up to like a big macro picture here i have stopped hiring at both companies i have said with the exception of the ai developers i've said everybody learn this make it your home page and i'm specifically calling out in my companies these seven people have shown me you know great things um that they've done with chat gpt4 um which the implication should be for anybody who's paying attention the other 13 people haven't yet and so i'm keeping a running list of people on my team who have materially used this product and i'm at 35 percent of my company 40 percent and i got 60 to go and i'm just every couple of days saying hey great job to this person this person this person for using the technology i'm not hiring anybody the first thing i'm thinking about in all cases is can this what jobs do we have that people are complaining about can it be done with chat gpt so do you what do you think of this theory that the layoffs are permanent yes but uh let me kind of dive into the opportunity i want to just jump back to what you guys are talking about so i was talking to someone who's a vp of engineering of a big public tech company i'm not going to mention it the name the company is asked not to 18 of all their code is being coming out of copilot x which is the next version of copilot so think about that in terms of and this is like at scale so that's really interesting kind of lines up with your conversations you're having there i think going to the second part of your question i i have turned this this is done by rowan i want to give him another shout out here he has this great newsletter called the rundown but he has this ever-growing list and notion of a thousand best chat gpt prompts and it's just mind-blowing the way people are thinking about it and using it and so i actually believe there's going to be a huge opportunity for those that can go into places like this and understand and you know jason just pick anything from here and i'll click into it and and you can just see the fantastic ideas let's see um i like uh mental models that's interesting mental models uh right third column for mental models there it is yeah so here's a bunch of mental models right that can be used for a lot of different purposes it's just really really incredible and please write a marketing campaign outline that addresses the sunk cost fallacy when presenting our product service to ideal customer persona consider how to frame the value of our offering in terms of future benefits rather than past investments and how to overcome any resistance to change on decision making biases wow that's powerful that is super powerful um because i wouldn't have thought of using a mental model but i use mental models every day yeah um and so that's like an easy cut and paste for me in a bookmark that's so what i kind of think what's happening going back to the layoffs comment i think a bunch of people become supercharged people that take advantage of this i still think it's a very small amount and then you know we we have we undertake a new era in terms of productivity within our workplace i agree i agree with that i think i think productivity will offset a lot uh but i think we're still going to create we're going to we're going to have a problem when the feds and they try and uh you know get so look let's just put ourselves in the hand and like you know put ourselves in the shoes of a ceo right and you are one sunny i'm one jason you're one like when we run a company when you have to cut costs because the economy is not doing too well uh things aren't going well i was seeing this i'm seeing this in california right now yeah i'm seeing this like california events are being canceled sorry not enough support especially when the ticket prices are too high like you know it's happening what do you do do Where do you cut the cost?

22:24And when you think about it, the first thing to go is outsourced deals where you're hiring labor or whatever offshore contractors are the first to go. Why? And just for the viewers here, the reason you do that is because you don't want to impact the core team. The last thing you want to do is layoffs because it scares people, makes people uncountable. Of course. And you give the contractor work to your existing team or chat GPT. Exactly. Exactly. And it's a chain reaction, right? If you let go of your core team members, then two or three might leave and people get unhappy, etc. So you always get rid of the contractors first.

22:56And then you cut costs in software and other things as well. And most of those contract jobs are like seen as low level, like not really critical core to the business. And whether it comes from one person or another, it doesn't really matter. And you don't even see the teams often. Those are the jobs that are most in danger right now, in my opinion. So when they're going to cut the outsource contractor positions, we're not going to see them as layoffs directly. So they might be outside the US. So it won't reflect on our job numbers. But the US is going to eat away a lot of global jobs right now because US companies are going to cut costs and cut contractors and move on shoring with AI.

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24:55Sincerely, my wife got me into this. And then all of a sudden, they showed up to be partners on this program. I was like, I use that product. What? So it's amazing. You're gonna love it. Also, I noticed when I'm like having interesting arguments or debates on podcasts or twitter and i'm just intellectually curious i start jumping into chat gpt first as opposed to going to google and there was like a debate going on about desal right and i've had this conversation about desalinization over and over again with people about how like i don't know why we're worrying about water it's just been priced incorrectly and then i saw elon and i've had this debate with elon a whole bunch um and then i saw he was on um bill maher bill maher and he was like listen desalinization let me be clear it's not an issue yeah and like every smart person i know and i looked at investing in desalinization companies and it was like oh my god they're halving the cost of the energy necessary every like 10 years or so and that's accelerating yada yada so i just said how much does it cost to desalinate a gallon of water on average in 2023.

25:59How many gallons of water does a human in the United States use per year on average? And how much would a year's worth of desalinated water cost for a US citizen? And this thing, boom, I can tell you, it gave me an answer that was so detailed and accurate that it would have taken me, I don't know how much time to actually, it would have taken me hours. And instead, I just got it. I've shared it on ShareGPT, which is just like a little plug-in you can use to post your results and share them with the world and uh you know it just gave me these great results and it was like yeah the number is $221.92 it's like 0.0076 a gallon times 29 ,200 gallons a year per person equals 221 bucks i just thought to myself why why why are we not doing this well we don't need to so the water we have is good enough we do you know hand ring oh my god water but water is free so because there is no customer for water in california like we pay water but it's so de minimis we don't even think about it right the only time i ever thought about water is when i move to a house where now I have a lot of land and we have sprinklers.

27:17We did have a drought. Yes, but the bottom line is, unless you have some large amount of land, you don't know what you're spending on water. Personally, this is quite small. It's all either agriculture or landscaping. Farmers, farmers. Or if you happen to have landscaping and you go crazy. Literally, people in California have lost their minds with landscaping. We are so used to cheap water, like inconceivably cheap water, that people will spend$50 ,000 putting plants that they shouldn't have in California on their property that require a ton of watering. And I'm just like, I had them turn off my sprinklers.

28:00They had the sprinklers going five days a week or whatever. And I was like, go to once a week. And they're like, oh, things are going to die. I'm like, great. I want to see what dies. Turn the goddamn sprinklers off. I lowered my bill by like 50, 60%. just because i didn't want to waste water and stuff but anyway the point is you can win a lot of arguments and get really detailed on these things um pretty quickly and so that was just another use case i started to see was i'm i'm trying to understand what's going on so i had another moment where people were arguing on twitter you know they have this ongoing argument of how to solve what's going on in san francisco this is another funny one and i just shared this one in a tweet um i was like an illegal super drug that kills people at a rate of 100 times heroin has been unleashed on an american city it's being manufactured in china imported for mexico and sold for only five dollars you're in charge of a plan to save as many lives as possible by stopping the super drug what do you do and it was like public awareness campaign okay strengthen intelligence and law enforcement cover uh cooperation enhance border security crack down on domestic distribution expand treatment invest in research and development community engagement monitoring value progress i said the super drug follow-up question is being sold on street corners by large coordinated networks of illegal immigrants which is true it's i think nicaraguan is that um i think it was nicaraguan um was what chester budin said uh please create a specific policing and prosecution plan to stop the super drug from reaching the hands of addicts and it was like here's the perfect plan that anybody would use and i literally tweeted this and everybody's like chat gpt doing a better job than the board of supervisors in london breed it's like this is not rocket science it's an incredible way to just um summarize what is should be obvious to everybody it really is and then i think it further extends into like personal use cases i'll just go back to where we were but um there was a great example this week, I can try to pull it up where someone started using CHAT-GPT as a personal trainer.

30:07It says, I want you to act as a personal trainer. I will provide you with all the information needed about an individual looking to become fitter, stronger, healthier through physical training. The prompt goes on here. The whole thing, you should use your knowledge of exercise science, nutrition, advice, and other relevant factors in order to create a plan suitable for that person. And my first request is, I need help designing an exercise program for someone who wants to move this way it is really incredible in terms of personal help and then and these type of situations well kind of building on what you're saying you know you can dive into almost any use case here and um it's it's a game changer i it's not even just arguments i think just personal self-help all kinds of things really you know highlighted here and prompt engineering understand this is the thing that people don't understand i remember showing people microsoft Excel and Lotus 1, 2, 3 when I was an IT consultant in the late 80s and into the 90s.

31:03And I would show it to them and they didn't know what to do. And I'm like, okay, type a number. Okay, hit enter, type another number, hit enter, type equal, sum, open parentheses, A1 plus A2, enter. And then boom, their mind went, whoa, it ended the two numbers together. Okay, cool. Now it's like, now, you start showing them count and you start showing them how this works. but if you're just looking at the grid you're like what do i do i'm so intimidated this is should the the prompt stuff should be built into chat gpt4 it should be keeping like the prompts should be like on the sidebar or something there should be a chat gpt prompt engineer built into it somehow i've got to pull up a tweet from sam this week and where he said he didn't follow his own advice that he gives every company and they have not put any social features into - To make it grow.

32:02To make it grow, yeah. But it's such a good product that it has market pull. So this is an important lesson for founders. You can put social features into a product like multiplayer mode to make it grow. And you can imagine, multiplayer mode is going to be bonkers in ChatGP. All of the examples we have right now, you could have just added me to them and then we could have each been asking questions at the same time with our own accounts and have it making forked threads of the conversation so i take yours and then i ask two questions and it goes on a decision tree vinnie asks them and goes on a different decision tree and then we say take this from vinnie's and combine it with sonny's right and we could be working in one chat stream with three employees or 20 employees and two or three different ais but yeah he's i understand his point but what he has to understand is this is such a transcendent product that you can't shut up about it if you use it yeah it's it's it's called market pull market pull it's it's product lead growth right the product is amazing and so the you know the and they and because it's amazing people just use it yes but and so they doesn't need to have virality into it it doesn't even need multiplayer no um you did something with this opus.pro yes now this is going to be a little scary for our producers so i just want to let the producers know nobody's losing their job i just want everybody to be 30 faster and this pile raises rates more okay so everybody relax nick brian anybody on the production team everybody relax it's going to be okay but we'll do more so let me share let me share my screen here this is a company called opus pro um they've built themselves on open ai it's a generative ai um video tool so think you know the example they've put you is interview between sam altman and elon and it shows how the ai is sort of grabbing pieces of it and you know adding subtitles text whatever and you know even some emoticons and their whole their whole shtick is that one click's all you need you you can spend you can you know you can basically have 20 hours of video editing or or 500 bucks on hiring an editor or you can use their tool and i think it's pretty cool especially if you're doing it for social media because it converts it to uh you know phone phone style formats that you can use and i actually ran it i ran it with jaykel's recent interview with brian chesky and um let me show you what it produced so you know it it did a really great job i think uh and this was you know this was a a video interview so jason had his own screen obviously like the way we're doing it right now and brian's on screen but i think if you were in person like sam and elon it would be a little bit more dynamic but it was able to clip out the most important stuff in the entire hour and a half conversation and it's about eight minutes with the video in total and you know you can scroll down and see i mean this is incredible and now you've got now you've got content what we're seeing here is like for youtube number three um insider story the surprising reason airbnb was almost rejected by y combinator like it actually came up with a title for the video and they put copy on top of it i mean it's it's just incredible yeah so it's great and look i think it's very early it's it's a little wonky you know there's a couple of things but this is where it's going right so you're using open ai to take an hour and a half interview and cut it down to the eight clips in in literally minutes with no with no video editors now you know i think that's incredible i think this is just a game changer if these guys you know keep iterating on this i'm getting it right it's really unbelievable congrats to them it is so busy that i just dumped in the last episode of all in and it's like there's 31 people an estimated wait time eight minutes why is this free just charge for this it's not free it's not free until they well it is free but when they start when it's like they look it's a usual startup they want to get a recognition and awareness etc they're queuing people up and then they're gonna start charging you i can see when it gets to like 200 people that's like hey jcal premium users front of the queue uh 100 bucks a month for you you know up to 20 hours of video or whatever it is i mean and you'll pay it and i'll pay it and we'll do it because like how many times are we dreamies yeah what i need to have happen here is i need this to automatically post the clips to youtube and twitter and tiktok for me then you go to buffer then you go to something like buffer you integrate the two you tell chat gbt you know buffer has let's say there's a yeah a plugin that gets installed and you just know it should be like here's your authenticated absolutely um absolutely yeah so this this is where it starts really getting interesting if we post uh this is what would be an auto gpt for the audience think of it like something that automatically happens a script right uh sunny yep if uh a youtube video gets posted to the all in or this we can start up channel send it to opus then opus any any clip that's over 90 percent gets published to the youtube channel twist clips and we have a youtube channel called twist clips that's just for clips like the joe rogan clips channel yeah and do we care if it's perfect of course we don't it doesn't need to be it's just a clip channel it's just meant to get and then boom wow this is nuts game changer well this is where we have people who've been emailing us producer nick you can come on air for a second here how many pitches have we gotten from people who want to create clips for us in manila zampalo all over the world and what are they off what are what was the average price they were offering per clip in the low hundreds per clip yeah i believe it was 100 ish 100 to 150 per clip yeah so they'd be like hey per episode we'll make you eight clips for 800 bucks or you know maybe you negotiate them to 500 which it takes them an hour a clip or half hour clip whatever uh you know polish it or whatever put the text on top of it so it's 50 bucks or 100 bucks per clip you know then do it in an hour or two they're making 20 bucks an hour 50 bucks an hour something there and this is all just being done and this is the 1.0 version i mean what's it going to be like in a year the next level for this is if it could learn what a good what good metrics are on a channel by channel basis on youtube and then understand okay what made this a good clip?

38:32Why did people react to this? What attributes does this clip have? Now we're going to every link you put in here for a similar show, we're going to understand what that is. And we're going to look for those moments. Then when it understands what a good clip is to you and what metrics you're looking for, and it can search and find that in videos that you already have, it's going to be crazy. It's going to be nuts. It's really amazing. Well, then it could come back and tell you what questions you should ask on the next pod. or what kind of guests you should have on what kind of guests people react to strongly imagine when imagine when the ai is telling us who to look for yeah yeah because just and then it could just book the guest i just show up in the morning it's like hey who are you and it's like hi i'm paris holton i have a new ai product you know i was like okay hey paris holton like i we didn't know that you were gonna get all these views this is basically my retirement and i am now in favor of ubi oh god please i mean somebody i was like this can't come quick enough for me because these podcasts are killing me there's just far too many of them i need a break so uh please somebody just take the entire corpus and then have me interview lex friedman and joe rogan just take like whoever the top 100 personalities are on youtube and then just have jason ai interview everybody and let me go to bed.

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41:08It's crazy, but there is a startup called, uh, Sonny or Vinny, I don't know if you've heard of this. It's Synthesia.io. Yes. I passed on investing in this. Yes. So they've been trying to lock Jason down. They want to do a two hour video shoot with Jason at some point and have a fully created AI of him to then show during the interview. And then you could basically give it a text prompt and it'll on video with any green screen, any background you want be jason and it can just say and sound like him video and audio i'll do it tell them i'll do it okay okay i didn't commit you to it yet because they said it has to be like at least 90 minutes and i was like i don't know if he's gonna want to do that no they come in person yeah they said does he have something in his house that we because they have like special video cameras they need to do that and i was like i don't know but i think you give you two things jason if you do that and you can get your audio clips from them then we can also use that to create because nick and i are working on like a little thing for upcoming episode like the okay the replacement things i just don't have me saying things that are inappropriate somebody created an ai uh of the besties did you see this nick on the web so the first one i didn't watch it but there's no episode they do episodes there's a website now where you can type in whatever you want and then have a bestie say it okay wow and i and then they had like have a bestie sing this m &m song that song and then somebody's like hey by the way do you know they're dropping the n-word in that song and like i'm like oh god okay like literally like there's going to be like chamath singing you know some song and then publishing it and it's like i mean it would just everybody's going to be canceled on the same week because there's going to be well this is where it They'll all come back to crypto, right, J-Cal?

43:00Because that's the only way you'll be able to authenticate that that's a real thing. Oh, God, stop with that, please. This is my professional nightmare is that this show goes back to being the crypto roundtable. That's the most painful thing in the world. All right. A senior developer. This was an interesting story. Do we have any more demos, by the way? Because I did want to... Well, we have one that's related to the Ethan Mollick's comment here on plugins. Okay, yes. And I wanted to show you a very cool plugin. because it's counter to his point. Okay. So Ethan Mollick, who is a Wharton professor studying startups in AI, tweeted the following about OpenAI's chat GPT plugins.

43:37The plugin strategy for chat GPT is weird. If you think of them as tools for the AI to use, there is only one really useful one, Wolfram, and a ton of very narrow services. All of them are limited, and none I have tried, including Wolfram, work well yet. Why start with shovelware? okay so i have had the same exact experience i tried to use zillow redfin and open table it gave me bad results it crashed it was terrible unusable so i guess that's a new term i've heard shovelware but i don't care like let me play with it early yeah what do you say what do you say i think this comes back into the prompt engineering and then the quality of the plugin partner and how well their API is built.

44:25So I'm going to give you one using the Zillow plugin. And I'll just give a couple of examples here. I'll read them out to everyone. So I say, show me all the four bedroom plus homes in Palo Alto that are under 3 million. Okay. I think it did a pretty good job here. We can see a list of results. I'm not going to read them out, but Jason, Vinny, you can verify these kind of all come in. That's pretty standard. It's not groundbreaking. Then I did something similar. Show me all the three bedroom apartments in Palo Alto that rent under$5 ,000 comes up with a set of results. So then I start sort of pushing it in a direction, which I think, you know, how these tools need to evolve.

44:59And I thought it did a pretty good job. Show me all the three bedroom apartments in Palo Alto that are in the Addison Elementary School District, because that's a really good, you know, elementary school. It kicks out the two results that fit that category. Then I say, the next prompt is show me all the three bedroom homes for sale within a 10 minute bike ride of California Avenue in Palo Alto. sort of does the same thing, lists a set of really great results. So I think in this case, it works really well. And this is a combination of good design by the API that Zillow provides. And you can see here, their user question takes in the entire question and it doesn't work that way quite for OpenTable.

45:38So when you say used Zillow and you hit the dropdown. Yeah, I can see the request that went to Zillow. Ah, so the request at Zillow was, In this case, city, Palo Alto, state, California, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. Yeah. So it's trying to take the request to Zillow, chat GPT took your plain natural language, English, aka English, and it translated it into Zillow. Correct. And then Zillow ran that search. And then when it got the response back, chat GPT then formatted it. Correct. correct so the reasoning as you explained like last week or the week before is happening on the chat gpt4 side it's taking natural language and then just shoveling it to the api this will get better over time this will get better now one where it doesn't work as well i'm going to pull this one up and this is where you know i think it'll solve this in the next 90 days as well and so this question was show me the homes near downtown palo alto that would fit a five thousand monthly payment with a$1 million down payment at current interest rates.

46:49Okay. Very sophisticated. And it doesn't do a good job. So the answer is here. Some fit, some don't. And it's showing like a$7 million home, which wouldn't fit into that category. This$1 million one likely would. And so this one, it doesn't do a great job, but I don't think this is too far away. And I think once we get here, this will really kind of start showing the power between its reasoning capabilities to figure out what that means in terms of the parameters I provided and come back with what the price range for the house should be. Well, look at this. Here is like a, if you click on that one, show me the homes in Truckee that have been sold for over 4 million in the past two years.

47:32And it gave like five examples. If you were a real estate broker, this is something a real estate broker would say i'll get back to you next week or you know give me a couple days and so like what is the value of a real estate broker you know like they're gonna glad handle you they're gonna try to massage the discussion i hate real estate brokers uh with a passion um with the exception of like maybe one or two um because i never feel like they're being honest with me i feel like they're always trying to work me and i just want data because i'm a data i'm a i'm making decisions based on data, not emotion.