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34:13Interesting. So let's double click on the no-code piece. Right now is somewhere between a WYSIWYG, what you see is what you get, type environment, you're dragging things around, and then it abstracts the code, and then it writes the code on the back end, you don't get to see it, nor do you need to. And then there's like sort of scripting, hey, if this happens, do this, and it's kind of light, but it is building a whole facade on top of some code base. Yes, is I guess how this is all working. And so you're sort of proposing what? Yeah, so so the way it works is that they have these pre programmed visual components that you are kind of composing together, broadly is how it works.

35:00And you can double click on one of those components and edit some of its features or even write code. And this is where you get into some low code platforms. The problem is that what you want out of your computing environment is to be Turing complete. So Turing completeness is the idea that is the idea of a universal computation is that the computing machine can run any other program that any other computing machine can run, right? So this is a very technical concept, but it basically means that every programming language today that we have that's in use is Turing complete. So Turing completeness is a necessity for this thing to actually encompass all sorts of features that you need in order to build a real world software.

35:47And most of these environments are not Turing complete. If they try to be Turing complete, it becomes really hard to manage. It becomes really wild. It's actually the visual components actually get into the way in the way of actually producing the software. So it's a scalability problem. So you end up either simplifying too much and you're not Turing complete, or if you want to be Turing complete, you run to a scalability problem. So that's really it's sort of a that's why you see a lot of these no-code platform grow really fast and then they hit a ceiling. And then they start growing a lot even as a business.

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38:06So making coding more like talking to the computer, I guess is where this is going to end up and using a natural language known as English to program is how many people in the AI space have been proposing this will end up. Have you used a code interpreter? I have not. You should check it out. I think you would like it. So chat GPT has this mode called code interpreter where you're talking to chat GPT, but behind the scenes, it's writing code and running it to help it answer questions. um and so i have used it yes i've uploaded like csvs to it and then asked the questions about the data that was uploaded because you can use it for that function as well right yeah and that shows you the promise right i mean there there is something there it still hallucinates a little bit and does come some some some some silly things but it seems possible and i think talking to you know i i've been uh reading the new uh steve jobs book uh make something wonderful and i didn't know about that book who wrote that is it so laurine jobs put together all of steve's writings uh for all his lives and in a almost chronological way kind of lays out oh wow his life's where it's amazing it's phenomenal um and uh that's a free ebook look at this this is amazing i yeah steve jobs archive.com yeah make something wonderful steve jobs in its own words wow it's available at apple books or you can just download it for free i had no idea about this okay so continue what did you get out of it i'm a like a big student of computing history and silicon valley history because i think to to to understand where we go from here we have to understand the past and how we arrived here there are a lot of amazing things about how we made computers and technology There are a lot of drawbacks as well.

40:07One of the drawbacks I'm trying to fix is that we've created a generation of computer consumers, not computer programmers and users. Think about how most people use computers today. It's basically a consumption device. You're watching TikTok and YouTube, and maybe it's a communication device. Maybe you're talking, texting. but the original vision for computers is that it augments our intelligence it actually computes for us and we've really lost a little bit of that and so i think steve jobs was uh phenomenal as as a as a designer and entrepreneur uh and really the goat in a lot of ways but some of the decisions they made were obviously guided by this idea that people can't compute or people can't program And actually, there's a line in the book that I found, which I kind of went looking for, which is initially they were having trouble explaining the value proposition behind the Apple II.

41:06Because you buy this thing and you open it up as just a terminal. You don't know what to do with it. And you have to learn basic in order to program it. And what Steve Jobs arrived at is that actually people shouldn't learn how to program. and we need to build UIs and GUI because people should just use computers as opposed to program computers. And that decision put us on this history path of actually users and programmers are separate instead of being one. And I think there's a vision of the future that's a lot more exciting where anyone can be a creator, anyone can use computers to their full power.

41:49yeah and it's i mean you see this in generative ai right so we've been talking about coding this all time but you know if you wanted to be an artist and make a logo you wanted to make the next logo speaking of steve jobs you know this is something that you went to art school for a long time but if you start talking to stable diffusion and some of the other tools out there dolly and you said like hey what are the most iconic logo or you asked chat gpt what are the most iconic logos of all time then you start using stable diffusion to make something you know just based on the creativity in your words you might start to find things or ideas that you wouldn't have thought of this is where like the writer strike when you when you look at the writer strike and they're saying stop we want to ban chat gpt i'm looking at it i'm like no you actually don't you're all using it anyway um and if you go into any of these language models and you start just brainstorming ideas it's just a more efficient way than reading 10 books uh you know about science fiction let's say you can just see which you know tickles your fancy uh in terms of ideas and it's going to come up like you said with hallucinations or bad ideas but that's how you get to great ideas you get through all the bad ones right and that's right you have these jumping off points where you know something sparks your creativity oh yeah what if deckard is a replicant oh that's a great interesting idea you know in blade runner like oh wow spoiler alert um you know these ideas typically come because people are brainstorming smoking a joint or drinking some beers or going for a walk and you know something just pops into their head like it's almost like the hallucination of these language models is a feature it's a feature it's like mimicking these weird moments when people are tripping out you know from their cold bath or from taking mushrooms or going on a hike or taking a shower whatever whatever got their creative juices flowing i think that that might be what's literally happening is we're you know as we recreate this intelligence starting to realize like maybe it's not that unique you know how our brains work maybe there's some magical aspects to it but i almost feel like we're figuring out how our own brains work when we build these things one of one of the reasons i got into computers uh as as a kid was because the you know i've been always into computers but the thing that really attracted me to become a programmer and eventually want to be able to do ai is because i wanted to understand the human mind like it was like it's one of those questions that i can't stop thinking about what makes us us what makes us thinking beings and i think once you understand all these things, you kind of start to potentially understand the meaning of things, which is a very existential drive in me to actually try to understand, you know, what makes humans humans.

44:38And I think there's the there's what's called in philosophy, the hard problem of consciousness, we can't really probe consciousness, because it is inabsorbable from a scientific point of view, you can have a complete description of the brain, but you can't really understand what's going on inside. Whereas now that we have these machines, we can actually try to probe them from the inside in interesting ways. Actually, a lot of neuroscience now is making its way back into AI. One of the ways people are playing with AIs is, what happens if we turn off this neuron? What happens if we turn off this layer?

45:17What happens? I think they're called ablations. It's kind of like you're running this process to be able to judge performance based on different ways the neural network is structured. And I think you're right, that starts to give us some understanding of how intelligence works. And I think that's really exciting. And it'd be great, it'd be really great if philosophers, if a lot of people from the liberal arts side of humanity is actually interested in these things, because that's that's an exciting moment it's kind of disheartening that a lot of artists are offended by it or or are not really excited by it but hoping they would come around to it yeah and we have some corollaries in psychology and brain science you know you have these uh what they call it split hemispheres where people have had their hemisphere split or you know twin studies you have all these like interesting you know people have different damage that has occurred to their brain tragically and we started to figure out just through those biological circumstances you know some of the oddities of the human brain and consciousness and how we perceive the world right um have you seen have you seen this um really wild video where you know if you have epilepsy one way to cure it is you you sever the hemispheres yeah uh and so that way the epilepsy doesn't travel back and forth and there was a video on youtube about a guy with a severed hemisphere and they were trying to kind of probe and understand like what happens to humans when we actually sever the light left and right uh sections of our brains and and the experiments were fascinating so basically they gave each eye different video feed um i think the the The right eye is connected to the left hemisphere and the left eye is connected to the right hemisphere.

47:16One of them is the language center. I forgot which. But you basically give an instruction to the non-language center, like go to this side of the room and grab this other thing. And you don't give that instruction to the other side. The side is able to talk. The subject actually stands up and walks over to that side of the room. and the experimenters will ask him like why did you go there and he would hallucinate because he did he doesn't have in that side of the brain that talks doesn't have the information to be able to say i was told to go there and so he hallucinates oh i want to go to the bathroom yeah and that's really fascinating that's wild yeah he's basically taking the next guess like we were talking about with auto complete like why would i get up well the bathroom's in that direction and so that's the next possible word you know i'd love to invite you to dinner the movies like what are the possibilities here could be getting a a glass of water i could be going to the bathroom it's probably one of those uh two yeah it's it's really fascinating how quickly this is all uh happening i'm curious your thoughts on like what are you seeing internally with your team i don't know how many developers you have on your team but you got a front row seat you guys are obviously uh all true believers in using you know these ghost riders and co-pilots and and using ai what has the last year been like in terms of your team's productivity and and how much are you embracing ai and running replant you know the again on an individual developer perspective we see our developers are a lot more engaged a lot happier and a lot excited about writing code because, you know, it just removes a lot of the drudgery of writing code.

49:09On a kind of a company scale level, I don't think we've seen a huge productivity improvement. And again, that's because the thing that is lost between actually writing the code and actually deploying a product is everything that happens in between that AI hasn't touched yet. And this is why we're really excited about it. Because even if you make the individual developer slightly more productive by making it easier to generate code, it still doesn't translate very well for it to be perceptible from a CEO point of view. In a solo entrepreneur perspective, it 100 % is. And what we're seeing of our customers, I mean, we have this guy on Twitter, actually, he built a 250k ARR business on Replit.

50:05And he didn't know how to write any code coming into this. He just used ChapGPT and Replit and Ghostwriter and other tools to kind of figure out how to write the code himself. He doesn't even know how to use Git. And he built this huge business for himself doing that. And obviously, that would not be possible without AI. We're seeing all these stories of solo entrepreneurs or small companies getting a lot of benefit out of this. But for it to actually move the GDP or even smaller move, move like productivity of the tech industry as a whole, there's still a lot more work to be done. So people enjoying the job more, maybe some products are shipping faster.

50:44Are you seeing that yet? The products are shipping faster or maybe not? we were known for being super fast already as a as a classies and that's over there yeah so uh you know it wasn't that uh perceptible there's definitely it definitely feels like we're prototyping things a lot faster ah and there's there's a lot of prototypes flying around on goal maybe shots on goal that's right and you know instead of getting in a meeting and talking about an idea you get actually a prototype pretty quickly oh that's very well see this is so powerful that maybe we're like you and i are agreeing so quickly on it but it's that's super profound if people are coming to the meeting instead of saying we should build this or saying i built this and then two other people say i built this well now you as the ceo or the management team we're going to look at the three ideas and say okay let's test this one then we'll test this one yeah and then our designers this one yeah our designers are shipping these replete links between each other and i see a designer instead of waiting for the engineer to do this thing they'll just like post like here's here's the new repli link for for my change for my css change or my visual change so definitely seeing that velocity of ideas and prototype uh inside the company it's almost like if we were running a restaurant you would be you know having people instead of like coming and say hey i want to try a duck dish or whatever they should be coming and be like here's the finished dish or here's like a approximation of my new deconstructed you know peaking duck and then everybody just tasted it yeah you know what we should keep pulling that string and see where it leads us i think that's like if you think about the nature of startups and finding product market fit and product velocity that's really a game changer um that's perhaps more important than shipping fast to your point is you know the other day i was talking to um jack dorsey came and visited a repli he's a repli user he's really excited about it and he said something that in the early days of Square, every time they wanted to trial a new design, they would have to ship the design to China to fabricate and come back.

52:48And then they started investing in 3D printing. And that increased the product velocity so much such that designs were changing every day and they were getting the right thing faster. And he equated what we're doing to software as to 3D printing. Yeah, that makes total sense and if you think like he's been such a great entrepreneur i just had ruloff on the from sequoia on the program and they started with you know small to medium-sized businesses even people in flea markets just you know being able to take credit cards for the first time instead of cash and sending people to a cash machine with a seven dollar fee in some bodega or something to like yeah you can just take any credit card um and fire that up and then he was so bold he's like you know what i'd like to do is um i'd like to create a second product inside this company just for consumers cash app boom and now cash app is this gigantic business it's huge well he's the third business uh jason that nobody's talking about their bitcoin business yeah explain yeah the last quarter i think they saw three billion dollars in revenue obviously it's still not monetizable revenue but three billion dollars in bitcoin volume yeah volume right which is which is wild um and and now they're building uh their tbd product which is still still tbd in progress but the idea is to just make it such that you know you can move bitcoin across the globe really easily and so that square and cash app can sit on this bitcoin rails and be accessible all over the globe and i think that's a really huge vision yeah and that really is like shots on goal you know and uh that's the thing that's going to just keep increasing uh with tools like that's what gets me excited about technology i mean i think i think the tech industry got a little boring towards the last uh decade towards the last part of the last decade last cycle yeah like 2017 18 19 everybody's making like you know like the next app that's already existed 20 times yeah Or the next SaaS thing.

54:58And it became very formulaic. And I think now we're back into a period of innovation where we're going to actually be able to lift the common human being and be able to supply them with tools and intelligence and computation and really try to make the world a better place. And kind of go back to this roots of like, you know, it just became cliche almost to say you were here to make the world a better place. but I think that's really why I'm here and why I'm doing what I'm doing at replet. Yeah. You know, it's like, it's so wild when a new paradigm shift happens now that I've lived through so many of them, like I, I, I expect them to happen.

55:38And then I just understand how they kind of go through the hype cycle and everything. You know, it's mobile or cloud or crypto and now AI. And it's really like a chance to take things that exist in the world already and just make them phenomenally better because this new platform technology technique however you want to frame you know cloud computing etc and you think about something like youtube and i was talking to roll off about this as well in this episode that's coming out on this week startups where you know he did that youtube investment and you know nobody wanted to invest in youtube everybody thought it was stupid people who had a lot of experience like mark cuban are like yeah i don't think netflix and youtube are going to work because you're going to flood spot was i think storage had gotten so much cheaper in cloud computing and then bandwidth was getting more efficient compression algorithms that actually you could let people upload videos and get as many views as they want and just for a couple of low dollar cpm be able to actually break even and then eventually make money right even with the amount think about the just insane amount of uploads that happened on youtube and how that was burning just mountains of cash mountains of cash being burned for storage for dropbox and for for at least dropbox had you know a paid version and a cap but youtube didn't have a cap you just keep uploading videos there's a really sort of dangerous crazy prospect now you look at ai um you know it's like a in hollywood there's a piece of software called final draft i don't know if you're aware of that where like people write screenplays in final draft and uh you know had a startup um make a version of final draft it's called cyberfilm uh dot ai and uh they have this tool called saga and you can go make your own uh screenplay uh and then make what do you call them uh storyboards and stuff like storyboards and like somebody who feels intimidated by writing a screenplay can be like i want to write something like natural born killers or reservoir dogs but i want it to have an indian cast and i want it to take place in india and i want it to revolve around this or that and you know kind of adapt it make it your own i want to make a sci-fi version of reservoir dogs like i'm down with that yeah make me a sci-fi version of reservoir dogs let's you know start your creative juices or whatever and that'd be fun actually yeah we're kind of actually yeah i mean this is what i mean you look at star wars it was a sci-fi version of you know kurosawa's work you know in samurai films and stuff like that so you know why not let's let's go right and it's like a chance to just start again over again with this new technology you know and you start having i think i think hollywood is getting remade from the ground up with this with this technology i i just uh uh i just invested in this uh yc company called kino ai what are they doing what do they do you know I'm going to explain in my own words because they'll probably use different words but they actually make all the video archive at all these big studios usable because they index them and they put a search engine on top of them and they index every frame and so you can go and search for you know every explosion and whatever studio and look at all the footage they had yeah and coming in this software media media asset management so like cnn has all this footage from you know uh anderson cooper show you know right and they may not have ever used they may have used 10 of the other 90 are sitting it's not utilized on a hard drive it's not utilized uh yeah do you know adam curtis no adam curtis is a really awesome bbc uh documentary filmmaker Oh, yes.

59:35Century of the Self, Hypernormalization. Hypernormalization, I know, yeah. Yeah, basically, this guy goes into the BBC archives, sits there for a year and looks at a bunch of footage, and then cuts together a story with a voiceover and creates this amazing documentaries. And so imagine all this footage could be now accessed and indexed and repurposed and probably using generative AI also completed and remixed and all that stuff. So I think it's really exciting what's going to go on. If they will adopt it, if they won't, they will get disrupted. If you haven't seen hyper normalization, it is a trippy movie.

1:00:17All this stuff is trippy. By the way, one about our industry that really is not, people have not really seen it, I think, is... Is it by him? Yeah, all watched over by machines of love and grace. And it talks about early optimism in Silicon Valley. It talks about the cybernetic movement and about the ideas they had about how to structure society and some of the cults they made and all that stuff. It's a really interesting documentary. And the name of that one is... All Watched Over by Machines of Love and Grace. All Watched Over by Machines of Love and Grace, 2011. Wow. I didn't know about that one.

1:01:04I'm going to watch that. That's a perfect one for me to watch. Yeah. I mean, we're talking about the history of this, the technology industry. These guys were all on acid and mushrooms and coming out of the hippie zippy movement. and they really were opening the doors of perception and then they were with computers at the same time yeah and you know imagine you're tripping on acid and you know you're also like using new technology for the first time you're like hey i have some interesting ideas here we should make a mouse it's like what a mouse what yeah it's like a little thing you move it around it moves the pointer like literally a lot of these innovations happen from 60s radicals you know um you know coming up with really interesting ideas of what could happen i mean steve job said that was a major part of his journey was you know opening up the doors of perception i don't know the full extent of his drug use or tripping but it was not insignificant from what i understand it was not uh there's a guy called bill atkinson who was part of the original mac team and he built uh the system called hypercard which is a lot of ways is early replet um and we actually talked to him at replet we uh and he he lives uh he lives here and um yeah he just talked about how it all started with a trip yeah i'm reading his page right he said he had an acid trip and he built hypercard it was hilarious i actually didn't know that you should have him on i think he would come yeah that would be dope um uh i remember hypercard it was like here's how to order it's like kind of like a database and here's how to organize information it kind of had the concept of hyperlinks in it too right like you could jump from card to card and yeah fascinating this idea was in the air there was actually like the web ended up winning but the web was actually the least sophisticated of all the different ideas uh around hyper hyper media at the time yeah people forget the even the term hypermedia but this idea that in a way there was a very cool piece of software called the brain um and it was mind mapping software and if you go to thebrain.com it still exists and uh i remember knowing the founders from the 90s and the product was really simple um here i'll show you uh this was like a really trippy piece of software and i used it for years i wish i had mine because you would basically yeah it would make a mental map you see it there on the screen yeah and you know ai would do a really wonderful job of this of just taking our conversation here and then any other conversation happening on podcasts and if we hit on hypercard or hypermedia making jumps between all the pockets it'd be a great startup by the way you just take all the podcasts in the world and make them a a brain map of them.

1:03:57And the idea here was people with quick keys and Jenny Jardin and I used to play with the software and we would sit and work and put it up on the screen when we had ideas for conferences and stuff like that. And we'd make these maps where you would jump from like product design. And then you click on something over here and click on something over here. And it would just load web pages associated with each of the neurons. If you think about this, like a neural net or your brain, and it's kind of forgotten mind mapping, but jury, not jury Colonna jury, Makowski from least 1.0 which was esther dyson's newsletter jerry mcowski had kept creating jerry mcowski's brain um and uh he would publish it publicly of all the things that were in his brain which is just a mind map you know uh there was a recent resurgence around uh rome rome research yes uh the backlinks and things like that but uh and they're great and these softwares are are continuing to develop and get better but one thing that i found unattractive for my usage is how laborious it is like how i have to create these backlinks right like you have to do like you know double brackets to create a new topic yes and then you have to do all that i'm like well just do it for me like just yeah well i mean the co-pilot should be doing this like you're going to be better at it than i am and you just look at this here it's like this is jerry mcowski's brain i don't know if he keeps up with this but it's like news about using my brain using starting points and understanding jerry's brain uh beginners whatever here you can use jerry's brain uh getting started points uh big questions okay i don't know what's in jerry's brain around big questions but that seems interesting challenges for kids you know and all these things would be uh i don't even know if this works anymore but he uh you can see like you could jump off on all it was almost like his bookmarks and stream of consciousness um really interesting you have people out there founders like we'll back your startup make something interesting like this yeah i mean uh this idea of being able to generate a map directly out of a conversation seems like a no-brainer someone should go build that oh you know what look it just did it it must have been his brain is so big that it wasn't working and i just assumed it was loading it was loading look i clicked on different types of capitalism and he has like climate capitalism clean capitalism coin flip capitalism cognitive capitalism uh democracy and let's go yeah i mean it's it's crazy um you know the cool thing about this is like his grand grandchildren could actually like instantiate this in some kind of like ai that can talk to you and actually be able to talk as if it's jerry and in a way that creates something that could outlive you that could you know create your wisdom um encapsulate your wisdom for people to see in the future uh it's crazy yeah i mean it'd be when neural link comes out and you can actually put these categories together and it just your brain kind of maps itself automatically i mean scary but it's definitely the possibilities there all right listen i can talk to you for hours and i did again uh everybody if you're interested go to replet if you want to post some bounties and have it done quick cheap faster better cheaper you know it's very few things that are faster better cheaper and if you're not using replets bounty program or their ghostwriter you're a dummy this is how your startup could go at least 50 faster so instead of just like hiring a bunch of offshore developers nothing wrong with that or you know sitting there wondering when you're going to get this uh latest bit of code or feature done put it up on the bounty program see how you do i think you're going to go learn how to code everybody go learn how to code i mean i got three kids i got i was like literally i was like oh my god if i go down this rabbit hole this is going to be 20 hours a week no no i need to sleep i need to spend more time with my kids i got the guilt trip like oh this is like some crazy video game that's going to take over my life and you got you got three podcasts and all that yeah i get two podcasts and i'm trying to get the podcast to be less per week but with um even better guests like i was doing the news every day and like i was really getting into it but then i was like you know what the news is transient and i'm not enjoying it as much and so i really got focused on how you stopped that news thing i do like news once a week on all in and then i do a little bit of new i'll do a news program on this week and start it's been instead of doing news every day i was like let's just get you know three times a week you know legendary or emerging founders and then one day a week do the news right and then yeah it's maybe a little bit of a better balance but i also have to enjoy doing the pod and like talking to you and then just jumping off points and talking about the future and then meeting new entrepreneurs that's really the heart and soul of this week in startups and i kind of reverted it back uh to also for my energy you know like i have to want to come do this and we're at 1800 episodes like i don't know if i'm going to make it to 2000 if i'm not super compelled by the conversation i need to be compelled by the conversation so you know that's that's an interesting i don't know if it's about getting older but i started reasoning a lot more from this point of view of like do i want to do this for 10 years uh right and and a lot of decisions that dropped become a lot easier because i'm like oh i want to build this company forever for as long as I can do that.

1:09:37If I want to do that, I want to make decisions that optimize for the long term. And there are things that you will get pleasure from, and then things that you will consider chores, and then things that you will consider painful. And when it's something that delights you, you run to it. I couldn't wait to get on the call with you. When it's things that you don't like, you avoid them. And then it's chores, you do some combination of avoiding or doing them poorly. or and that's where like being a great manager is just hiring people you know if you're a founder who look at your chores or things you hate as the things they love and they run towards and they get joy from so like i have people who get joy from you know you know managing complex operational processes and that gives them fulfillment god bless them not me but there are people who love ops and they just thrive in ops or people love sales you know and i i think gotta also like optimize for you wanting to get to the office every day and you know get on slack every day and enjoy it right yeah yeah life is short yeah all right we'll talk to you all next time bye-bye