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47:02One saying, people like Jan LeCun saying, no, no, LLMs are a dead end. We've got to find something else. And then people like Sam Altman said, no, no, LLMs are still great. We just have to throw more compute at it. it's just got more compute more compute more compute and eventually they'll get you know super intelligent those are the two schools of thought well maybe uh maybe you're both right because maybe it isn't just llms maybe we have other models other methods that we can use uh lacune was arguing for uh something a little more physical real world a world model yeah uh fefe lee also said that she said an llm is just language we need to go beyond just language we need a model of physics what happens you know as an llm doesn't know what happens when you drop when a pen rolls off the table because it doesn't have a world model so maybe uh maybe we have some maybe we have a way to go i guess what the point to me is that we have some headroom that's the things are still improving and growing we're we're only at the beginning you have to remember uh ChatGPT came out, what, three years, one month ago.

48:14That is it. Isn't that amazing? And it blew our minds. Yeah. And I don't feel progress is slow. Do either of you think that? I think there was a point this summer where it seemed like chat and Anthropic hit a wall. When ChatGPT5 came out, people were disappointed. They said, this is not supposed to be. Yeah, that was like expectation of management or management of expectations. But I do think that the consumer products hit some friction. And that probably fed a lot of, well, news cycles. And consumers were probably, the narrative was probably that these weren't at expectation level. But those expectations were also set with this talk about super intelligence and other stuff that just wasn't ever going to be true.

49:10And I also think that there has been marked improvement in, I mean, Chat 5 is not what was promised, but it's a better product. And Anthropic is like we've been talking about this entire show. It's just, it's really great. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's very useful. uh well and gemini too which came out and gemini right later and nano banana the the video and still picture models are amazing gemini 3 uh is very competent chatbot i honestly don't care about chatbots so much because i'm not yeah i'm trying to get psychotherapy or i don't need a friend but i don't want to marry my computer but gemini is useful for getting work done like i have found it fantastic for search, or actually, in my case, job search.

50:02So for instance, Gemini, because it can pull stuff out of video, actually, I've been using it to find, I used to work for Cory Doctorow. I used to work at his startup. Oh, my God, I love Cory. Oh, my God. So yeah, because yeah, we're both from Toronto. I didn't know that. Yeah, we're both from Toronto. know yeah that's right yeah what was his startup that was before eff that was before he became a novelist open cola open cola this was during the peer-to-peer era and our thesis and it was a little tongue-in-cheek wasn't it well open cola was supposed to be open source and we decided to make a product an open source version to promote ourselves an open source version of the most proprietary thing we could think of at the time which was coca-cola right ingredients 7x a closely guarded secret.

50:52Yeah. So as a promotional tool, we made an open source cola. And open cola was basically during the P2P era and our thesis, and it made sense to me at the time, was that Google wouldn't scale. And what you needed to do was distribute search across every computer connected to the internet. So everyone would run a combination client server, which we called the Clerver. That would do these searches, and not just for information, but also for files, because this was the peer-to-peer era. And yeah, the idea was that people who are similar to you are going to have similar interests to you and are going to search for things that are similar to you.

51:38COLA stood for Collaboration Object Lookup Architecture. Yes. Corey and I, and I think our friend George Scribben, who also was with the company with us, we made that up over sushi one night. It does sound like what I call a retronym, which is you've got the word. It's a backronym. Yeah, backronym. Backronym is the term we like to use. Backronym, yeah. You've got the word first, and then you figure out what it stands for. Yeah, and in fact, that was my first developer relations job, and that is because I was originally a developer. I brought my accordion to Linux World. I jumped in front of some news cameras, parlayed it into an interview.

52:16And by the time I got back to Toronto, this was Linux World Expo New York, Corey said, you're now our developer evangelist. You know what? Awesome. I can see the accordion being the key to Corey Doctorow. I can see that being the conversation starter. That's Corey in a nutshell. Well, he's still doing that. I mean, basically, this is the philosophy that he continues to live up to, this notion of big tech. The siloed tech isn't the solution. It's got to be open and it's got to be distributed. Exactly. But anyways, yeah, I was using Jev and I to search because he quotes me occasionally. Because he actually uses my dumbest line often.

52:58And that is, and I did this back when SARS was a thing. I said, when life gives you SARS, you make SARS-Berilla. Oh, my God. That was your line. He's used that a dozen times on this show. Yeah. And sometimes he credits it to me. And what I had, From now on, I'm going to put dash, dash Joey Davila. And what I did was, I just had Gemini search through a whole bunch of YouTube videos. And I said, yeah, tell me if he, tell me if he uses the line, tell me if he credits me. And if he does, give me the time, give me the time mark when it happens so that I can, I can reference it as part of my, in my portfolio, as part of my job.

53:38now that we know that we'll next time cory's on we'll have you on we can have a little reunion sure uh make a note of that benito uh cory's on a big book tour right now his book yes he is huge he uh he coined the word of the year 2024 and shittification and now he's reaping the whirlwind yeah there it is there's the book right hand dan that's good there are bits and pieces of cory's friends, me included, throughout his novels. Little lines he borrows from us. Yeah. Oh, that's good to know. Well, I'll remember the Sarsaparilla one. That's a very Canadian line. It is, because SARS was a much bigger deal in Canada.

54:21It was a much bigger deal in Canada, and actually it was particularly big to me because my sister was the chief medical officer for the city of Toronto. No kidding. Yeah. Wow. And actually, she got her way into the precursor of that job when SARS happened. So that was her first. Yikes. She entered the job on SARS and she left after COVID was over. Yeah, little did we know that SARS was the warning shot for COVID. It was an airborne respiratory disease we thought would be as bad as COVID. fortunately kind of thanks to uh public health uh people who really did their job right it did not spread and it was a yeah and it was a big deal because it was spreading through the asian community rather quickly and my family with the exception of me i'm the black sheep they're all asian doctors wow i'm the i'm the black sheep i'm the black sheep of the family yeah i did You had to play the accordion.

55:24Oh, no. We all have to play instruments. That's a rule. Oh, nice. If you cannot perform on a variety show, you are in danger of losing Filipino citizenship. Oh, you know what? That explains Benito. Yeah. Benito plays like every instrument. I'll be danged. So that's why, Benito, you play all those instruments. It's for the variety shows? Well, everybody here either sings or plays an instrument. Like everybody. that's nice I think that's the right that's we said something we've lost I think due to mass media because it used to before you had the radio and TV you had entertain yourself of an evening well uh you know what Filipino extended family gatherings there's always talent show after dinner oh how fun all right well we're gonna take a break and then we'll uh we've been avoiding it but I we'll have to talk about the government.

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1:03:10That's the Screen Act. The Cooper Davis Act would require any electronic communications service provider, your ISP, to report knowledge of drug-related offenses to the DEA. Wait a minute. What if my communications are end-to-end encrypted? Oh, no, no. You have to know what's... You have to have the clear text. No encryption allowed. it's the 90s again do you remember when they wanted uh at all encrypted communications to have a back door they still do yeah never gave that up by which which screen act there are two of them i know and they work re they worked really hard on these acronyms probably harder than on the bill this is this is a background isn't it it's the mike lee's screen act uh which has been floating around for a while because there's shielding children's retinas shielding children's retinas from egregious exposure on the net act it'll have to move fast though i mean this this would have to really get through committee yeah i don't i don't know what nine months like i i just don't it's probably it's probably over you think i mean well i don't know if it's over but i just congress has another year before the end right yeah and this has been i am without getting into any sort of partisanship it's been read twice and referred to the committee but nothing much has happened and it's been a very unproductive congress they have just a few months i mean maybe six months everybody's going to start campaigning now that's true so it's really i mean yes this is i just worry kosa's back it will not die right yeah keep it it's the jason of uh yes but uh not jason jason jason jason voorhees but no that that acronym works harder than the people who came up with it screen yeah well and then there's the other one exactly stopping communist regimes from engaging in edits now act that's the other screen there are two screen ads who knew that that that that word could have two different meanings uh cosa is the child of the kids sorry online safety act and that's another one that require platforms to identify minors and censor content as decided by the states uh they're still tacking section 230 um they're they're not giving up and i think it's important that we remember that and pay attention but you're right dan maybe there's some hope because it's such a do nothing i'm trying not i don't want to minimize the importance of our of not taking for granted the freedoms that we currently have on the internet and our friend cory would loudly remind us that this is very important um but from a practical standpoint and i just think about this as i i covered politics for many years and i just think about what are the practical implications of something like this and it just will be very difficult in the next year for this to happen and if the democrats regain the house it's unlikely that this will anything will happen other than uh their attempts to go after the current president um so we got another uh three years of nothing basically is what you think maybe i i again it sounds like i'm minimizing this and i don't want to do that but i i just think about like what is the it's not hair on fire i will grant you yes right i i just don't want to put hair and like have our hair on fire and go omg no because what happens we've had our hair on fire for 10 years now what happens is eventually you just go you know my hair's on fire that's exactly right and cynicism is a tool of uh autocrats and so so when we go oh my goodness everything is bad everything is terrible it really it makes so many people dial out and instead we need to just look at what's in front of us and what's in front of us is a busy campaign season okay that's a i'm very glad my hair is out now it's been doused i am yeah i'm counting on i'm counting on this administration being ideologically ambitious but operationally sad that's very wise what's that acronym him i a o s or you and get a k in there you got chaos congress has been like that for for years like congress's ability to be productive has uh been disappointing well the states maybe are a little bit more effective on the day after christmas governor huckle signed a new york state law that requires social media platforms to display warning labels similar to those found on cigarettes right next door cookie labels that's really done a lot of good uh of course australia has banned social media for kids under 16 and that is now spreading denmark says they want to do the same thing france is the latest we tried to get patrick beja on the show because i wanted to get him to talk about that he lives in paris uh there is some good news though uh texas had a app store age verification law that was set to take effect uh uh this month and a federal judge has now blocked that it's only a preliminary injunction it's not dead this is sb 2420 the texas app store accountability act which was passed and signed into law judge robert pittman said it's akin to a law quote akin to a law that would require every bookstore to verify the age of every customer at the door and for minors require parental consent before the child or teen could enter and again when they tried to purchase a book in other words a violation of the first amendment uh he hasn't ruled on the merits of the case but he has he feels i guess there is enough concern about it to grant an injunction so that it does not go into effect so that's Utah Louisiana similar laws these are anti-porn laws specifically these are these are censorship laws yeah basically it's 21st century uh a lot of it's probably really uh rooted in 21st century equivalent of book burning book burning exactly they've done it in libraries now they want to do it on the internet um the uh the suit was brought by the community computer communications industry association ccia including apple google and meta uh ccia said the law imposes a broad censorship regime on the entire universe of mobile apps of course google and apple do not want to have to make their app stores be you know the guardian um yeah because they already have to do that a fair bit already.

1:10:23I remember when I was doing product management at a fee-for-service software development company, having to fight with the app store, trying to convince them that the app that my company was putting out on behalf of a client was not tobacco-related. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. Well, you know, so that's the interesting conundrum here. I mean, I can understand why you'd want to prevent tobacco related apps especially those aimed at young people yeah the app store yeah that's the thing and i also uh you know we've talked about this a lot on our show security now uh our guru steve gibson is of the opinion that the best place to do this is on the phone on the because apple already knows your age probably yeah and uh they could ease they have an API already that can be called by apps to say what group what age group is this person in they have parental controls that let parents not say a birth date not say the the user this phone is 12 years old but just to say which group which age group this kid falls into which is good I think the parent should be allowed to be the one to decide that so it does seem like technologically anyway Apple has is is the choke point that's a good place to do it yeah and by the way the texas law which required age verification for porn still stands oh yeah the judge said this one is too broad this goes too far does australia have a similar law uh yeah they have yes as of december 11th in australia you You have to do age verification to use social media.

1:12:14Yeah. YouTube, Twitter, you know, meta, Facebook, you know, a variety of social media sites. Some are left out unaccountably. YouTube's the big one to me. I mean, if I were a 16 year old in Australia and I couldn't look at YouTube, I'd feel pretty. Peeved. That's where I look at YouTube, by the way. Well, that's that's the thing, actually. New Year's 2025, the number of friends who approached me asking about VPNs for a friend. Yeah, yeah. It is a boon, isn't it? Our VPN sponsor loves these laws. But wait a minute. Think about it. That means the next step is to ban VPNs. That's going to be a little harder to get through.

1:13:01But lawmakers are already considering that, talking about that. That will be, but that means that VPNs will go underground. You can't ban it because businesses rely on VPNs. How are you going to ban VPNs? Yeah, it's going to be too hard. And even then, yeah, we were back around. I worked on the user interface for a Cult of the Dead Cow project. Remember that? Cool. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Peek-a-booty. I remember Peek-a-booty. Yeah. So I was the user interface programmer for that. Oh, man. Yeah, and the DevRel guy. We had back in the tech TV days, we had the Cult of the Dead Cow and the Woo Woo people on talking about Peekabooty.

1:13:44Yeah. So it was me and Cult of the Dead Cow developer Drunken Master who worked on it. Wow. You have some deep roots. I just kind of fall. I just kind of land in the right place at the right time. I'm trying to be the 21st century equivalent of Zellig. Do you remember that Woody Allen? Yeah, Zellig. He was everywhere. Yeah. So Peekabooty was a peer-to-peer file sharing thing, right? Actually, it was a peer-to-peer distributed proto-VPN. I guess that's the best way to describe it. Yeah. And basically, it was a network of computers that acted, a network of personal computers that acted as a VPN.

1:14:28So if you were on... or tail scale or something. Yeah, kind of like it. So you were either on the bad side of the Great Wall of China where you were trying to reach sites outside, or you were on this side of the Great Firewall and you were providing those. You were acting as the VPN for someone randomly in China. Wow. Huh. And yeah, we presented that at CodeCon back in 2002, I think. Cool. Wow. So yeah, that was Bram Cohen's thing. so yeah yeah before before uh bit torrent yeah just before yeah just before a bit torrent because i ended up participating in the bit torrent test oh neat yeah because i know him from mojo nation back and this is when open cola was active and uh i was uh living in san francisco at the time uh doing the developer relations there i feel like our lives have intersected and we've you know i don't know how we never met in person because we have in toronto every now and again when you all right you because you did g4 tech tv events did you come by the show uh never by the show uh just to events oh yeah you i have a picture of you playing the accordion with me and amber amber yeah that's right yeah no you can't yeah yeah i generally went to amber back it's like at a bar or somewhere yeah yeah i remember that because amber amber was the one who also convinced two cows that they needed a children's tv show and that i would be a great host so it was me and a puppet as you would be what was what was the puppet's name junior the show was called developer junior and it was me and a puppet friend and uh we did two episodes the only reason we didn't do more is that microsoft did not have a budget for a tween audience oh man i gotta see if my puppet is up here or not oh hey oh i don't know where my puppet went so yeah I had a Leo puppet I think I might have given it away it was me and puppeteer Brian Hogg oh Brian yeah he made he made the Leo puppet oh okay there we go well Brian also made a puppet called Junior yeah that's he's the guy who made my puppet oh there we go yeah that's a small world uh I'm sorry I don't mean to leave you out Dan uh this is some great history it's wild I I had no idea Joey um where is my puppet now you got me going okay I hope I didn't give it away yeah I remember hearing about this puppet yeah he made a Leo in fact at one point we did um a puppet reenactment of the first twit oh wow it's I think still on youtube if you if you want to see my my leo puppet the brian hog but i wonder if i can find that twit puppet that should be enough to get code you'd think i mean how many twit puppets could there be oh no unfortunately twit has a has a lot of uh A lot of meanings.

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1:27:10um they do this i guess every year and so i guess it could change tsmc also exempt

1:27:22uh i i'm just gonna i'm without comment i shall just say this without comment I don't understand. What about the super precise Dutch chip making equipment? The, ah, yes. Which the Chinese have now reverse engineered. Have they? I thought they were having trouble with it. Well, they were. Because if you've looked at this machine, this is ASML holding. And they make EUV, extreme ultraviolet lithography machines. It's a$200 million machine. if you look at this machine it is a rube goldberg device and so very difficult to reverse engineer except uh the chinese got a former employee of this company to come over asml to come over and work for them and i last i saw they believe they have a working prototype of the smluv machine we've been blocking them getting that because that's what allows these really tiny you know three nanometer two nanometer processes yeah so i think you can give up on that were they not i mean my understanding is and this is from uh peter zion's book so the geopolitics guy right in colorado and he was talking about uh how it wasn't until 2017 or 2018 that the chinese Chinese were not able to completely home make ballpoint pens.

1:28:58Really? The ball bearing is too precise. They needed to have external equipment to make that ball bearing. But if you read Apple in China, I was just going to say. Yeah, but that's the thing. How do these two things? Apple. So the Chinese government gave very, very friendly terms to Apple. they basically built cities you know the iphone city they built that out of nothing they uh and of course terry gao of foxconn was instrumental in that and china apple could not resist it's a great story the book apple in china apple could not resist it but that but that involved a huge transfer of technology to china and so they have all these capabilities so here's the story from christmas eve on tom's hardware china's reversed engineered frankenstein euv chip making tool hasn't produced so you're you're not wrong joey has not produced a single chip it's still years away from becoming operational not because the machine doesn't work but because the supply chain for the machine oh so interesting yeah so you can build it but you've then got to feed it right yes you need the components right uh ultra pure silicon and the necessary impurities that actually make the circuits but i but yeah that's that's what doping is isn't it yes making it in uh i would not count against china oh no getting there it may not be there today it may not be there this year but at some point that's going to happen and aren't we re i mean i i understand we want to be i are we if we're so afraid of china that they would get these chips and use them militarily is that what we're afraid of or are we being protectionist for american companies yeah i think it's geopolitical or or geo economical uh geo economically invented that it's not a strategic necessity it's an economic necessity yeah i think so so i i submitted submitted for your approval exhibit a the dji drone ban the u.s at the end of the year the fcc banned not just chinese drones but all drones not made in the united states of america do we make drones in the u.s i don't even know well i'm trying to think about yeah trump's son donald trump jr owns stock in and advises several american drone startups that have received billions in loans and subsidies from the pentagon so there is i think good reason to believe that this ban of all foreign made not just dji you could say oh well we don't want dji to drones in the united states because they have you know they're a chinese company china government the prc has golden shares in the company they have involvement with the chinese military etc etc you could make that case but this is drones made everywhere in the world

1:32:23um and uh well uh the this trump sons drone company is it strictly military because there are there's a lot of agricultural uses for drones oh there's a lot of reasons why you would want good drones yeah if you have by the way a dji drone or another non-us-made drone you can continue to operate it they didn't ban its use they just can't buy new ones

1:32:50about parts ah that's an interesting question can you get it fixed yeah no because uh yeah no they uh on the startup bus tour we visited uh the university of florida and uh they were talking about all the agricultural uses of drones that they were uh that they were working with uh for the future, but also present day use of agricultural drones for things like looking for diseased crops, optimizing, optimizing irrigation, actually doing crop dusting, very precise crop dusting. Yeah, well, and there's massive military use. In fact, we used in the invasion of Venezuela on Saturday. We a lot of that was supported by drones.

1:33:37Sure. And yeah, same things happening in the Russo-Ukraine war. That's right.

1:33:4470 dji has 70 market share on drones in the u.s so i guess you could say it is a ban against dji the other companies don't make much different much difference in the equation but it is all foreign-made drones it's not just dji carl bode writing at detector trump's drone ban is corrupt protectionist nonsense dressed up as a national security fix but there may be consequences right uh law enforcement military shortages everywhere agriculture industry real estate possibly sure possibly even rock and roll because you have to remember that uh Randy Rhodes, Ozzy Osbourne's guitarist, died in a crop duster joyride.

1:34:42I did not know that. Oh, that's right. Very famously, almost hit the bus. Oh, no, it clipped the bus. Yeah. And that's why it went crashing into the ground, because the bus driver, they were staying at a farm. The bus driver said, hey, look, a crop duster. Who wants to go for a ride? Oh, man. Randy was an amazing guitarist. Oh, absolutely. absolutely bode writes some u.s drone makers asked daddy to protect them from global market competition and he did now u.s consumers have to pay twice as much money for much crappier technology instead of translating the proceeds into new jobs better tech or lower prices the executives at the companies responsible will simply pocket the proceeds it's not about national security i think about american labor it's not about industrializing across consumer and business technology for the foreseeable future that there is just a slowdown and because of these protectionist policies it might be far more difficult to advance products and capabilities at the rate that we've seen in the last decade or so i mean i can go on and on i don't i don't want to uh wired magazine story uh december 31st fears mount u.s federal cyber security is stagnating or worse government staffing cuts and instability cisa pretty much shut down right they they closed uh down 18f and they closed down the united states digital service and realized oh my god those people we need we so they've created uh this is what they call it cyber force yeah on the defensive end i a defensive cyber i think offensive cyber was deployed in venezuela oh i'm sure oh yeah that's interesting yeah so it's some it's shifted our posture or it appears to have shifted our posture but um fcc has also killed a plan you may i we were very excited about this the cyber trust mark program an FCC plan to improve home security the idea was when you bought a home security device it would have a stamp on it certifying that the smart home device whether it's a router a camera a door lock would meet certain cyber security standards approved products that have a shield icon in the package like an energy star sticker it was launched last year at ces nobody's put the mark on and the apparently the fcc has now decided to kill it

1:37:25that's disturbing underwriters lab which was going to be the safety testing company announced it's stepping down and that's because the fcc has been investigating underwriters lab four ties with china uh yeah anyway uh yeah this is this is not good this doesn't make us more secure doesn't make things better doesn't make us safer it's a little scary uh but on the other hand waymo has updated its cars now so when there's a power outage next time in san francisco they won't all stop in the road oh my this was a big problem san francisco got a big power outage and waymo said well because the cars won't operate uh with the traffic lights aren't working we're just we're going to pause our service the thing is the cars didn't go back to the barn they just stopped in the middle of the street they just stopped working probably because they rely on uh they rely on those traffic lights yeah they don't have they don't know how to uh you know that i guess i mean it's for safety i guess i mean i don't trust humans never mind when the traffic lights are out and we're all trying to figure out okay which one of us goes next uh most humans treated the traffic lights that were out as four-way stops right as a four-way stop that's right but uh cars uh anyway they would freeze in the intersection yeah ironically two days later after the power outage was cleared power is back but then the national weather service issued a warning uh about a powerful storm so we almost stopped again is this making our city streets better is this improvement over cabs I don't know I live in New York City and all of these things are like normal human drivers in the middle of the street everybody just stops yeah what happens when the power goes out in New York that's a disaster uh it is a disaster well it's not that I mean it's a disaster but New Yorkers they survive flip you off and swear you need to drive yeah you yeah they figure it out hey I'm driving here out of my way buddy i would i mean i would and i would absolutely not like to see waymo navigate the holland tunnel during rush hour oh yeah yeah uh do you so you don't have waymo yet in the manhattan not that i'm aware of uh i know you can't miss these cars they're jaguar i don't with all sorts of worrying i don't think it's allowed here uh and i i think i don't know that it would survive did you did are you of the opinion that uber caused traffic congestion in new york city um well i want to be careful with my opinions but it sure seemed that way i remember when uber came to new york city and the certainly remember their their policies which has been mimicked by a number of tech companies they simply just came into new york city um despite regulations and operated until they changed the regulations um and now i see a heck of a lot less yellow cabs yeah um yeah unfortunately so although you know did it cause a lot of women like waymo because there's no driver i know many women will not do uber or they will request a female driver uh they just are scared and i'm sure it's the same with cabs and so they like i know a number of women who say oh you know i far prefer waymo because it's safe yeah so do i um or at least who have said uh similar things about uber and lyfts um did it cause did it create congestion i don't know because that would uh look new yorkers are going to take a cab or take a car regardless as to whether it's a an uber or yellow cab right the cars are still going to be there i guess the cars are going to be there yeah although apparently that congestion pricing has been very helpful it seems like it has yeah paying just a little it's not a huge fee but paying a little fee to come into town during high traffic hours yeah and everybody just goes on the west side highway or the fdr anyway like if you're going uptown like you're you're not going through you're not going up broadway no so professor panda who is one of our good friends who lives in chinatown in manhattan says waymo is still in beta in new york city he does see them roaming around and mapping huh i've i've never seen one yeah you can't miss them yeah phoenix san francisco including san jose they just announced that they're going to be in our neck of the woods as well although i doubt they'll come up here because i don't think there's enough business to make it worthwhile we barely have uber los angeles austin atlanta uh they're expanding soon into miami dallas houston in san antonio good lord or land testing here in tampa there was one right on my street and i'm on a residential street well that's the fun in uh in san francisco because there are certain neighborhoods in san francisco with waymo congestion problems there's like like places you can't turn right and the waymos get confused and so they bottleneck up and oh well what about the ddos that uh somebody pulled uh he got they they he got a bunch of people to call several waymos to a dead end street where they all blocked each other yeah yeah exactly you can hack them well that's maybe why uh at mayor mom donnie by the way congratulations on your on your new socialist mayor zero he at his inauguration they banned flipper zeros not just guns and bombs but raspberry pies and flipper zeros yeah as they should i had a flipper i i i played with it it was fun i taught it how to break into our offices back when we had the door key thing and and then i thought you know i'm gonna give this to a real hacker i gave it to uh father upper balancer the digital jesuit so he could hack the vatican i've put i've put it into my shopping car and been inches from purchase and then i think what am i going to do with this that doesn't involve getting into trouble that's the right question it's pretty cool you can't play snake on it but i think that's more for plausible deniability if the authorities say what's that yeah what's that kid oh it's my snake box i mean i think until pretty recently it would be i and most people i know would have no idea what it is but i think law enforcement probably has an understanding uh but i think you could walk around with it in your pocket and most people wouldn't know it's not illegal this is a little it's a it's not it's not here in canada it might be oh really yes oh i i remember hearing something about it i don't know what the definitive ruling on that was oh i'm just looking to see where they prohibited items large bags weapons fireworks explosives drones strollers coolers laser pens flipper zeros and raspberry pies why why raspberry pi because you can make it i guess you can just a raspberry pi with a nice costume yeah it's big and clunky but at that point you know they gotta ban the wi-fi pineapple yeah oh yeah although that is so i mean that like that's a fantastic device but i feel like that is very a niche device well that's how the flipper zero is built as the wi-fi pineapple is built as a pen testing tool this is for you to test your security of your networks exactly not other people's security uh i i uh i believe robert has used his to good effect but i don't want to say how does he take it into the vatican he lives in the vatican so he can't help but take it so he has the security of their networks yes yeah or he does say though you don't want to mess with the swiss guard they may wear gaudy clown-like outfits but they carry submachine guns well yeah because they can fit him in those pantaloons pantaloons you you can't hurt me you're wearing pantaloons oh yeah it's not i just not just this halberd i'm holding yeah oh he could hack the conclave vote oh yeah we could have had a hacked pope hack the conclave hack the pope robert's gonna by the way robert's gonna be on next week he's going to ces uh we will have his ces report as we have every year he's going to make a nice video for us and it will bring us some toys electronics show simpler times these were simpler times hack the conclave i love it uh let's take a break we will talk about uh ces right after this show in uh three hours uh samsung's gonna samsung's gonna do it's the first i think it's the first press conference of uh ces they have samsung they have so many products they have the TVs in the TV section they have the tablets they have the phones um they probably have a car I don't know Sony is going to show it's a Fila a filia car again we'll talk about that CES coming up uh it starts tonight in effect uh having some fun it's great to have unveiled is tonight unveiled yeah i think you know they're actually saturday uh you know all the all the uh third party uh trunk shows like showstoppers and pepcom were making all the money yeah so the cea the people who put on ces decided we better have an event and we better have it the day before pepcon so the pepcom so they do it on saturday so i think they did that last night and then tonight's probably showstoppers or pepcom and yeah i don't miss all that did you did you guys used to go to ces yeah no never went never went oh joey you should go once everyone should go once yeah and i shouldn't it's like it's like action park everybody should ride the water loop to loop once even if you've been to a massive conference you still should see ces just to go oh i don't know it's not as big as it used to be it's only 130 000 people this year more boons i think a privilege i i would tell myself that when i went that that's the way a lot of people want to be here and i am a reporter who is here at the same time i greatly it's not a punishment it's a privilege typing from my sweatpants back in new york city oh it's just it's um i'm trying to remember the show the two cows where i used to work was banned from because they did probably comdex was it yeah it was the one where they brought x one of the things that you could do was they had a raffle and you could either win some money or you could win a cow and they brought a cow into a real cow yes into the convention center a live cow somehow without approval and i feel like that convention is also the home the world's largest most famous rodeo every year just months before ces so i don't know why they'd be bummed about a cow but all right if that's how you feel everything else is on that show floor yeah because i remember uh going through a list of conferences or conventions and going why not this one and they said well there was the incident the incident that feels like a blackhead or defcon thing maybe it was black cat yeah that's more no black no no defcons like uh you put concrete in the toilet somebody did that at it's oh my god the death yeah yeah because that was uh yeah that was defcon 2000 yeah somebody did that that year because i i was at that one that was still quick drying fast acting concrete yes and they called it a denial of service attack you know you could do the same much more effectively with just a little bit of cellophane but okay yeah and i was there yeah i i was there uh on behalf of open cola actually presenting a little prototype called Colavision, which was a Gnutella, if you remember that.

1:50:20I remember Nutella. Yeah, that was a file sharing tool. It was a Nutella. After Napster, yeah. Yeah, it was basically a Nutella system for broadcasting your favorite video clips. Nice. Written in Visual Basic, believe it or not, because we had to do it in a hurry. Nothing wrong with that. But it worked. But you know what? Vibe coding is the new Visual Basic. Yeah. You know, I write most of my code in common lisp just to be ornery. And it's weird because, believe it or not, Claude is very good at common lisp. And then over the holiday, I bought myself a Christmas present. I bought myself a ThinkPad X1 Carbon because it has an OLED screen.

1:51:08I really like OLED screens. And it's very light, a little under two pounds. and put cache eos linux on it which is my new favorite linux but i decided i wanted to use a tiling window manager instead of i usually use gnome but it's boring and i don't you know and i don't need a big gui i i really do most things full screen emacs is full screen cloud code is full screen so i thought i'm going to do a tiling manager and uh i set up uh wayland is the compositor and sway but i but it's all this stuff is for you know hardcore you got to read a lot of documents a lot of websites a lot of wikis uh not so much with cache eos it's arch but it's arch for people like me it's easy to install but setting up sway it's all configuration text configuration files i just said claude code to it it's beautiful it knows exactly what to do claude said of course what do you want i said could you put the temperature on the weather on yes i will write little script uh can you uh tell me how much memory i have left okay i put a little icon there i mean it was incredible claude is amazing it knows all this arcane stuff and the point of it is it's read the wiki so i don't have to well yeah and it's read structure and interpretation of computer programs and all the all the smug lisp weenie books that are standard i wish i'd known there we go uh you know what i wish i'd known that you were into lisp back during your g4 tech tv B days because my deadbeat ex-housemate when he moved out left his symbolics oh my god in the house what did you do with it uh I I actually put out an ad for it no uh it uh and this was by the way I should explain for people who are going what are the time this is a Lisp machine it was a cpu that ran lisp on the cpu it was designed just to run lisp and and now by the way in today's world it would be considered a complete slug and and almost worthless i can run it much faster on a stock pc but piece of history yeah i ended up giving it to hack lab to okay oh good Well, I'm sure they did good things with it then.

1:53:25But yeah, but yeah, it's 150 pounds of machines, like the size of a New York apartment radiator from the 1940s. It was because all of, and by the, this was early AI. This was all about AI. And in those days, these guys just couldn't, you know, they finally said, we're going to have to design our own machine. Nobody's going to let us run Lisp on their IBM 370s. We've got to design our own machine. And so they did. it's a it's a wow that's a piece of history i would have loved to that is very cool well there is one at the computer history museum like when was this it would have been late 80s early 90s it was one of the first machines where ram was measured in megabytes when we were still in the kilobyte range yeah and for its time it was fast and this would have been circa 2000 2001 that I had the machine in my house.

1:54:21DataLore is asking, this book is the absolute essential read for anybody who wants to be a computer programmer, except nobody reads it anymore. This was the introductory book for computer science at MIT for 20 years, The Structure and Interpretation of Computer Programs. It's Scheme, which is a lisp. It's a lisp. But if you, and I'm rereading this, well, I can't pretend that I actually have ever finished it, but I'm going to finish it this time because I decided, you know what? I am suffering. When I do these Advent of Code things, I'm suffering from not having formal training. I've done how to design programs.

1:55:00This is the next one. And I've been reading it for eight years now. It's a slog. It's like a Karpathy video. It is. But this time I'm going to do all the exercises. I'm going to finish it. and uh I don't know I'll be dead by then I don't why is somebody my age doing this is a legitimate question shouldn't you Leo be out uh you know sitting and playing checkers at a somewhere on a you know that is the checkers you are checkers you are 21st century century whittling wood checkers and and you know what I was a Chinese major in college in in the mid-70s oh and like go I did play go that's Japanese but I played it and yeah I played also Chinese chess which is an amazing game but finally the world came around at the time this was a useless skill China hadn't even been opened yet but the world came around now AI the world's finally coming around to lisp and and ai and i'm here i'm ready no anyway we're going to take a little break and come back and we will talk about ces and amanda silberling's wonderful tech crunch article the dumbest things that happened in tech this year and there are a lot of dumb things we will get to that in just and darren the world is coming around a list and desktop linux this is the year this is the year darren i will not i will not cede that point i will actually talk about our sponsor for this segment melissa has been the data quality expert since 1985 longer than we've been around 40 years now forward-thinking businesses are now using ai in all kinds of new ways but ai is only as good and we know this as the data you feed it you can have the most sophisticated ai tools in the world but if your customer data is incomplete duplicated or just plain wrong you're training your ai to make expensive mistakes that's where melissa comes in they have been known for 40 years as address validation experts but really they're more than that they're data scientists in fact they have many great talented smart data scientists working for them they have been the data quality partner really that's the better way to think of it for 40 years they help businesses get their data clean complete and current and that's what melissa can do for you with their global address validation and auto complete this is fantastic in your shopping carts in your in your customer forms real-time validation for addresses and not just in the us but everywhere in the world that's really important if you're delivering your deliveries actually arrive and your customer experience starts strong you also get mobile identity verification you can connect customers to their mobile numbers so you know if that customer is calling oh that's really them it reduces fraud it helps you reach people and devices they actually use uh change of address tracking this is really important you know your data your address data is essentially eroding is it's it's dying at a rapid clip but with melissa you can automatically update records when customers move ensuring you don't lose revenue due to outdated information melissa also does something so important anybody who's got an address book knows smart deduplication on average a database contains eight to ten percent duplicate records i've told this story before right i restoration hardware which is wonderful furniture store in our area sends out these beautiful full color catalogs they must cost them a mint they're beautiful they're thick they sent out several different ones i was getting five copies of the same one at the same address they needed melissa can you imagine the cost of that melissa's powerful matchup technology can identify even duplicate records even when they aren't exactly matching and eliminate those five catalogs.

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2:00:34That's melissa.com slash twit. We thank them so much for their support of this week in tech long time long time supporters and then back in 2026 we're very pleased about that amanda silberling has been on the show many times love amanda has a she's actually a regular on tech news weekly too every month with micah sergeant wrote a great article i gotta give her credit for it the dumbest things that happened in tech this year and you will remember them you might wish you didn't mark zuckerberg a bankruptcy lawyer from indiana sued mark zuckerberg the ceo of meta he because the lawyer posted ads on facebook to promote his practice mark zuckerberg esquire but they kept suspending him for impersonating mark zuckerberg and they made him pay for the advertisements even though he was suspended uh he says i can't use my name you don't you can't folks if your last name is zuckerberg do your kid a favor do not name him mark i can't use my name when making reservations or conducting business people assume i'm a prank caller and hang up my life sometimes feels like the michael jordan espn commercial where a regular person's name causes constant mix-ups.

2:02:00The lawsuit is ongoing. February 20th is the next filing deadline. Thank you, Amanda. Keep us up to date on that. Do you remember when the founder of Mixpanel, Suhail Doshi, posted on X to warn fellow entrepreneurs about a young engineer, Soham Parekh. He'd hired Parekh to work for his company, but then realized he was working for several companies at once. this is an epidemic by the way yeah yeah i fired this guy in his first week told him to stop lying and scamming people he hasn't stopped a year later no more excuses it turned out that doshi wasn't the only one three days later i mean sorry just that day three founders reached out to thank him they were also employing perek but i know people i have to say i know people work at home this is one of the reasons companies don't like work at home who have multiple 40 hour a week jobs because they go well i get the job done it doesn't matter if i work 40 hours for him or not that's what the reddit uh forum is for uh over employed over employed yeah yes there's a separate yeah i love it do you remember when sam altman got in trouble for using his olive oil wrong what it was it was a video made for the financial times lunch with financial times and Sam deciding to show he was a regular person made pasta but he bought this very it's very trending you'll see this in stores olive oil called Grazia they have two olive oils in squeeze convenient squeeze bottles one's called sizzle which you're supposed to use for cooking and one's called drizzle which you're supposed to use is too good to cook with you're supposed to use that for dipping or topping but Sam apparently squeezed his drizzle

2:03:51uh and uh got there was a let's just put it this way there was a social media uproar faux shizzle oh shizzle um

2:04:05uh mark zuckerberg as you know writing big checks to hire people for open ai but it wasn't just money at one point he actually delivered soup to a guy he wanted to recruit recruit uh he in December open AI's chief research officer Mark Chen said on a podcast he'd heard Mark was hand delivering soup to recruits

2:04:32In fact, he went to Chen's direct reports and tried to woo them away with soup. So Chen went and gave his own soup to Meta employees.

2:04:44It goes on. I will go to TechCrunch, read Amanda's article. You can find out why you might need to sign an NDA if you're going to build Legos. you might be surprised to hear that Brian Johnson was live streaming his shroom trip

2:05:08Gemini and Claude reckoning with their mortality by playing Pokemon lots of stories it was a crazy crazy year the picture on the front is Elon Musk's anime girlfriend yes did you have you played with the uh the little avatars they have on grok i have not touched anything don't twitter touches the operative word yeah yes there's a um there's so there's that the anime avatar that you can apparently get not only to talk sexy but to start stripping they also is a little fox and the day he rolled it out i i have on i am like corey doctorow and a non-consensual blue tick on x so as a result even though i pay them nothing i want to assure you i get croc pro and all the benefits of a twitter ultimate sure uh so i went and i they had the little fox and i talked to him and he it's actually a moment on intelligent machines that we had a sensor he he was so profane he started talking about i forgive me children don't listen to this tea bagging the mayor i said what he said yeah just tell me which mayor and i'll go tea bag him and then the next day it turned out that was the kid fox that was the one that was supposed to be for little kids grok's still in trouble this week uh grok's been a lot of trouble for for for allowing um ex-users and grok users to to create sexual images of women france has actually flagged the content as illegal according to bloomberg uh grok created and published images of minors in bikinis uh and other uh even worse uh poses uh in fact at one point it was i i heard i didn't go there and i'm proud of this x was flooded with this content because once people figured out you could do it everybody had to try yeah uh they call it spicy mode oh good god which permits partial adult nudity sexually suggestive content that's apparently what i got was the spicy fox

2:07:38um grok's response a x's response is uh we will we will actively go after anybody does anything illegal and we'll refer you to the authorities so don't they rather than turn off the capability

2:07:55going back to the beginning of our conversation about productization of ai i wonder if this was an attempt to get out ahead of open ai's of course it was yeah uh because open ai is announced they're going to do adult allow adult content for adult but i think open ai is not going to be quite so uh salacious no no or something right no they're gonna go for her like the movie her if anything because well don't you think all men's obsessed with that these guys know the yeah right he loves Scarlett Johansson she doesn't love him so much these guys know that in the past we've always said technology is is driven by adult content the internet was VHS tapes were that's what killed Betamax there was no adult content and this is you know this is nothing new but um like many people i have open ai mapped to the action button on my uh chat gpt open uh map the action button on your phone my iphone yeah and so when i'm just walking around i'll hit that button and ask questions

2:09:04and so it's not far for sexy talk spicy questions hey what are you wearing right now well uh i'm actually water cooled yeah exactly i wish i had that creativity but mostly it's about pizza pizza where's it where's the best pizza where's the next pizza i know where the best pizza is what's the best pizza in new york tell us closest pizza oh what's the best well i mean the best pizza in new york city look i can't get into trouble if i say the best that's going to be very controversial but i will say my preferred slice that is in the new york times one of the best slices is definitely frank's on uh smith street in on court street in brooklyn oh i gotta go have you ever been to frank's john's on bleaker um no most of my pizza consumption is in brooklyn but uh i don't know can you get a good pizza in Brooklyn I feel like you have to go into town can you get a good pizza Frank's that pizza well I only reason I bring that up next time you're at John's on bleaker go next door John's there's always a line so I think it's got to be pretty good I think it's widely considered one of the best yeah I don't know if they do slices it's it's you know it's kind of many well if you don't do a slice what are you gotta have a slice slice and a coke what are you even pizza yeah and it's got be so greasy and it's first you gotta put a little napkin you gotta fold it it's gotta fold and and the grease has to drip off the point or it's really not a sicilian slice which is a fantastic slice as well look i do not discriminate when it comes to my pizza

2:10:43um anyway go next door when you're at john's because that's where my son's sandwich shop is deemed oh i'll go to your sandwich shop deemed one of the top 50 restaurants in new york city according to cider deemed by the new york times the best sandwich in new york city where is it what like it's on bleaker street bleaker and what jones excellent i'll go it's called salt hank and they only serve one sandwich it's a french dip that's it interesting they you know a couple of weeks ago he was gonna uh expand because it's an expensive sandwich to make it's it's only the best cut it's everything the best he said i didn't want to i no compromise everything the best so it's a 32 dollar french dip sandwich i should warn you but bring it's good enough for two so it's really only 16 dollars uh and and they have that's it they have limeade and french fries and that's it but he was going to have another sandwich because it's expensive he's going to have a chicken sandwich it's less expensive to make he could have a less expensive sandwich nobody would order it all they ever want is the fry so he stopped he says i'm not going to stop down the kitchen and start making you know uh chicken parm sandwich that nobody orders we're going to stay with the french dip so i can be there in 20 minutes it's closed now in fact if you're going to go you got to get there before really pretty early they the doors open 11 30 but they sell out by two that's so cool that's the sign of a real restaurant in new york city is a line he says that's right he says new yorkers love to line up all the time what is this line I don't know shoes it's got to be good it's where we get where we hand in our flipper zeros before we go to the inauguration that's what I was doing on break maybe I should put this flipper zero into my shopping cart case no so New York City has as many jurisdictions have California's about to do it banned cell phones in schools according to Gothamist they've learned that that's a problem some students can't read clocks oh yeah

2:12:51uh that's a major skill they're not used to at all says Tiana Millen assistant principal at Cardoza high school in Queens teachers complain the Maddie Morinweg who teaches high school english in manhattan says the constant refrain is miss what time is it he said she says it's a constant source of frustration everyone wants to know how many minutes are left in class i finally got to the point where i started saying this is high school where's the big hand where's the little hand dan you learned how to tell time on a pie face on an analog clock right yeah of course of course it's on my you can't see it but it's on the wall i got my kid a little for i have a three-year-old and uh for the holidays i got her a little uh analog it's dinosaurs are you teaching her how to read the clock yeah that's what i want i wanted to be able to tell time on an analog clock and for you i have one analog clock in here i bet at 40 clocks 40 ways to tell time but only one analog clock and the only reason i don't like them is because i have to set them by hand every twice a year i don't want to change the change every newsroom i've ever been in has analog clocks i mean there's a digital countdown but like there's analog clocks in newsrooms yeah it's said that you can tell kind of better where you are by the analog clock you see the yeah it's a more volume it's more glanceable i'm a digital guy would you feel dumb for not being able to read a sundial no exactly it's as antique as a sundial right right Because it's the nature of the technology of the time.

2:14:30For the longest time, the only way we could display a repeating cycle was to have some kind of circular mechanism. So that's why clocks are designed that way. But we don't have that limitation anymore. According to the New York City Public Schools, the education department, students are still taught how to read clocks in first and second grade. the problem is they forget because they never never have to yeah they never have to practice officials said kids are taught to say master terms like o 'clock and half past o 'clock how how how archaic is that o 'clock okay it's three o 'clock three oh the clock half past and quarter two in early elementary years but they they forgot the skill because they never used it it is two hours in the post meridian you know the post meridian of the o clock it is kind of it is kind of archaic it's pretty funny i mean it's uh the quarter hour because you're programming by the quarter hour oh yeah well i in fact yeah when i was doing radio i and ratings or aqh right yeah a hot clock i learned a hot clock i actually wrote a program yes exactly right i write you in a color code is this uh right is this a because i had to hit network yeah time uh you know you had to be done at 09 30.

2:15:59yep right the network sting would come on and if you kept talking didn't matter you're gone my radio mentor a guy named dave diamond this was one of the things we absolutely had to do is we had to to slice up a hot clock and then we we'd program it like what songs are you going to put in what hour and or what segment of the hour and he wanted to see that you had a feel for the flow like could you program a flow the the flow and get drive a listener past the aqh and drive or drive up your your average quarter hour listens because they stay listening past the 15-minute mark. That's right. And you get an extra quarter hour if they cross that mark.

2:16:39They don't have to listen for all 15 minutes, just one minute before one minute. Right. That's why you say the bottom of the hour. Yeah. And that's why you say, give us 20 minutes, we'll give you the world. And 1010 news and all of that. Speaking of archaic radio. Radio. video I feel like a dinosaur in some ways I had so I have I should fire up my hot clock I had to write it because I was so bad at sticking the timings because I had some that could move and some that couldn't move but if I was loose with it the the commercial break would move closer and closer to the network break and then I'd have to do like all of it all at once and did you ever have carts oh yeah slam the cart in slam the cart yeah slam the cart so I went to the bay area radio hall of fame awards a couple of months ago to uh to support my old friend cami blackstone who got inducted into the bay area hall of fame and out front there was the kfrc mobile kfrc yeah mobile studio they had long ago retired at kfrc I don't even know if they're still around uh 610 kfrc boss 10 the big 610 and had dr don in the morning and uh somebody had they had retired or sold or i think actually they sent it to a junkyard the old mobile van somebody bought it and restored it they had a cutout of bobby ocean sitting in front of the microphone and they had all these cart machines yeah with the car and they had the cars these are they look like eight tracks they actually are eight tracks yeah but they only have one track on them and they're a loop and the reason you you want these is because you play it it's for the ad keeps going and gets it back to the start so when you hit that button it it plays you know 10 10 news and then it rewinds to the beginning again and you can hit it again in a few seconds yeah so they have all the cards yeah they make use of the cart machine on this last season the stranger things do they there's a cart now i have to watch it because there's uh uh their central operations is uh a radio station that the kids have taken over oh my oh my cool that's kind of cool so it's an old school radio station yes it is because the show takes place in the 80s this last episode takes place in 89 i might have to watch that oh yeah i needed that uh that clock and i ended up uh writing a version of it for my successor, when he took over the radio show, I said, okay, you're going to love doing this, but the biggest issue is this clock.

2:19:28You got to do the clock right, or they're going to get mad at you. So Rich DeMuro, I gave him a special version of the clock. I think I even named it Rich on Tech, the Rich on Tech clock. and gave it to a Mac. Let me see if I can find it. I think I still have it here. And in Scheme. And I wrote it in Racket, yeah. Oh, Racket? Okay, wow. Only because, I guess, well, why no, I didn't do it in Lisp because Racket had a graphics library, so I didn't have to go too far to get there because it's a graphical clock. Do I have it? Oh, well. Oh, yeah, if I just run it, will it run? isn't it fun do you ever do that joey go through old archives of your old programming days and look at code that you wrote many years ago oh yeah i just crashed my machine the problem is a lot of it the problem is a lot of it won't run anymore yes as i've just learned or the run times are gone because my first job out of school was working at a cd-rom company, Macro Interactive Multimedia in Toronto, and they wrote in HyperCard and SuperCard, and I convinced them, just so that we could serve both platforms, go to director.

2:20:55Wow. Here is the hot clock. Oh, look at that. Remember that? There we go. Radio station-style hot clock. That's the hot clock, and I think, let's see if this will run will it run oh yeah there's the so i have uh i have six minutes and 42 seconds left in this segment okay nice and then it's going to uh go yellow when i only have 30 seconds left and then it goes right when i have 10 seconds left and then it yells at me if i if i go over that i need this you know what i'm gonna benito's gonna make me bring this back so i don't so i time out the show yeah i keep forgetting to do the commercials in fact let's do one right now and then finally i will talk about ces there's not that much to say we gotta we gotta talk about ces uh a very relaxed but i think very enjoyable uh version of twit this week thanks to dan patterson it's great to have you blackbird.ai you can go there and create a free account what is the what is the address for the uh fact checker uh we call it a context checker because it provides a heck of lot more context including about gifs or images it's compass.blackbird.ai that's compass.blackbird.ai i use it all the time it's if you read something pop a link online and you go where is that i don't know is that you know can you really drink spring water and cure cancer you could go to blackbird compass.blackbird.ai and ask and it's very useful if you want to oh really somebody on reddit that's the best way to do it oh oh really or oh actually oh actually compassed up like well actually it's great to have you thank you dan i appreciate you being here and of course you can subscribe to dan's newsletter at news.danpatterson.com joy davila is also here hey there get get the accordion i think you might have to play a closing theme for us he's at globalnerdy.com look at that it's beautiful.

2:22:56Who makes the best accordions? Actually, I have no idea. And I'm sure some accordionists are going to get on me. And in fact, I found out that this accordion is more valuable than I thought. I bought this off a drummer for, I bought this off a drummer for 80 bucks. Nice. And it turns out this is a post-World War II Camerano. I was going to say, it looks like the colors in the body that look pretty sweet. And then I just added puffy, starst glitter stickers just for fun. This is the beater accordion. This is the one that I take out drinking. It's always somebody's birthday at a bar. So this is a machine that turns music into free beer.

2:23:36I like it. Awesome. AI camera. Okay, this is the first. We've never had an accordion on Twit. Okay. I used to do a radio show. Good friend of mine, Tom Santos, who had a band called Those Darn Accordions. And it was a giant accordion band. Oh, yeah. Many, many accordions. So that's why people said Those Darn Accordions. And I can play the official, the official, unofficial anthem of AI. What's that? Okay, and it goes like this. I was going to get a job, but then came AI. I'm now an unemployed snob because of AI I'm hiring from Terminators, yeah, you know why Yeah, hey, because of AI Because of AI Because of AI Yeah!

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2:27:39To learn more or to try Redis Cloud for free, just search for Redis Cloud or visit Redis.io. That's the website, R-E-D-I-S.io. Thank you, Redis. Oh, and the hot clock says there's only 40 seconds left in this commercial break. We're counting down. it'll go red in about five seconds three five four three i think it yes now we're running out of time no we're not actually but we would be if we were on the radio that's one of the reasons i don't miss the radio everything right dan the everything you gotta you can't do anything long i miss the urgency of live yeah um that's why everything i do is live still because i do love live you know if if this weren't live would we have joey davila singing because of ai no i think not i think not uh all right ces you're not going neither of you are going next week we will actually tell you what was gonna what happened at ces uh because father robert ballast will be here we're gonna get jason heiner on i think too he uh will be there love jason yeah jason's jennifer patterson too as well who will be oh jpt she'll be covering uh home automation at the show so yeah really good panel next week for covering it we're the three who aren't going and are happy to say that sony uh has their a honda afila this is this is the car they keep showing every year the afila one will be showcased um that's the worst name for a car i I have to think they were thinking of I feel you, right?

2:29:23For almost a decade, they've been showing off this car. We don't know what it's going to look like because, you know, they only show you a teaser video. That'll be streamed Monday, January 5th at 8 p.m. Eastern. So tomorrow, 20 since CES 2020, they've been showing this car. Will they ever sell it? I don't know. they say it'll be 90 000 but i don't think they're making it yet uh tim stevens good friend of the show said it feels like a playstation 4 in the ps5 era oh that stings samsung's going to be doing their thing tonight their first look ces 2026 presentation the first press conference it's tonight uh in just a couple of hours i think 7 p.m pacific 10 p.m eastern you can watch it on youtube or on the samsung newsroom or if you have a samsung tv guess what it'll be on the samsung tv plus they are going to be announcing i think the newest qd oled i have their original qd oled which is the best no don't confuse it with qled which is an lcd screen an led backlit lcd screen qd oled is a true oled screen but brighter with quantum quantum dot technology they say they have the brightest qd oled they're going to announce tonight uh i think they said 500 nits uh i really it is my favorite tv the qd oled i'm not crazy about samsung tvs you know all that samsung stuff in the back but uh okay um you've got some stuff dan you're looking for uh really you're gonna get one of these the clicks communicator no i just think like when i think about the interesting things at ces i really have a hard time because it is a cycle a lot of the stuff that's announced at ces never makes it to yeah exactly um like the afila i this is the one thing if i if i thought about a thing at ces i like this thing um is it a phone because yeah i mean it's an android phone but in a blackberry format and i kind of like that i'm also i'm not on social media and right you know i'm an ios user but i always have some sort of android backup and um it it just it looks it's compelling because of the price point and because it doesn't do um and what doesn't it do well it's half a screen and it has a massive keyboard on it uh i i'm sure it'll do all of i'm sure you could do instagram on it does it have a camera uh yeah it seems like it has a pretty perfunctory camera on it it just seems like compelling because of the price point and because of that keyboard.

2:32:28But the real story and the real or the thing that I am most interested in is the storing price of RAM and what's that, what the impact, the follow on the knock effects of RAM prices on consumer electronics. That is one of the reasons I bought that ThinkPad now is because I was very worried how much a laptop would cost later this year i want to get apple's you know it's rumored and i think it's probably true that they're going to announce a fully redesigned macbook pro at the end of this year early next year that will have an oled screen i only buy oleds now i sucked in on by the oleds and uh and it will have the uh i guess m6 processor so it'll be a brand new two nanometer tsmc two nanometer system on a chip.

2:33:17So it's a reasonable upgrade for my M3 MacBook Pro. But I'm afraid about how much it's going to cost because with any reasonable amount of RAM and now with AI these days, you want 64 gigs. In fact, you want more if you can get it. Totally depends on how Apple builds the M series of chips because unlike most other laptops, the ram is incorporated directly in like it's all there on that single chip versus most other laptops the wind they still have to buy d rams though to put it on there so it's not like they're not affected by the price they might be less affected only because they buy everything i was just gonna say yeah i'm well i'm not sure how they make the m1s because i think the actual memory circuitry is part of the process.

2:34:10It's on the die. It's right on the die. I don't know if they buy that separately or do that of... And Apple's TSMC when they're making it. Yeah. Apple's supply chain is unique and you might be right because they are so differentiated in the market. But I think everyone will be constrained by ram prices in the next 36 months or so like uh yeah like is ram is ram the new air conditioning copper pipe like are we going to just start having people steal it the other thing that uh might protect you is apple already grossly overcharges for memory they have a certain amount of uh headroom built into this right and they they put in these orders long in advance.

2:35:01And I think that that might be something that insulates them a little bit. Whether it insulates consumers, who knows? Yeah, because Tim Cook is a supply chain genius. That was his story. And going back to Apple in China, it describes much of those processes in China, the supply chain and their buildup in China. So DRAM prices have doubled. In fact, so much so that Micron, which consumers has decided to stop selling to consumers because there's so much more money to be made selling to manufacturers. And that is a shame because, you know, I love Crucial RAM. I know, Crucial's great. It's in the Windows machine behind me, yeah.

2:35:47Apple, I think, gets its DRAMs from Samsung and will be facing, I think, price increases if they haven't already locked in prices. And that's what you're saying, Dan, is they probably have locked in those prices a long time ago. Right now, DRAM is more than twice as expensive as it was this time last year. And VRAM is bananas. Right. Maybe we should put out a call right here on Twit, Intel. This is your chance. You started in RAM. Come back to RAM, please, Intel. Right. Come back. Start making. So I found an article from TechNave that says that Samsung's, rather, Apple's agreements with Samsung and SK Hynix are expected to expire in January this year.

2:36:36Oh. If that's true, then there could be a crunch. I don't know. Apple has done a pretty good job so far of insulating. I mean, the iPhone, which, again, was premium price to begin with, did not go up in price particularly this year, right? The iPhone 17 is roughly the same price as the 16 was last year. Maybe there might be a trend towards hyper-efficient, hyper-memory-efficient programming, like it's time to break out those C books. It's time to pull out the Kernighan and Ritchie book. Everybody learn C or relearn it. The gaming world is melting down right now, though. Yeah. Oh, yeah, GPUs. Well, that's an ongoing thing because NVIDIA, gpus went through the roof and of course yeah from two grand for the five series to five amazing amazing so this has already been a problem for years in the in the gaming community now with ram and gpu prices skyrocketing and the thing is ai also drives that not only does ai use gpus but it needs ram I bought a framework desktop with 128 gigs of ram so I could run local AIs and and it's running on the amd strix halo platform which means like apple has uh the ram access is universal to both the gpu and the cpu so you can use much i think up to 92 gigs of that ram as effectively as gpu ram as as your ai's ram so that's why i bought that machine but but that's gonna you know it's not just open ai that needs ram for its training it's everybody who wants to use ai in their businesses and their homes local ai that kind of thing it's going to be a crunch i've pointed this out before though remember every time there's a shortage like this companies respond by bumping up capacity now they have to build new factories to do that they're already in capacity with existing factories so it's not going to happen this year but in a couple of years ram may plummet again because of oversupply because they've built so many new factories to take advantage of this you know windfall pricing so we'll see i wouldn't be surprised to see ram come down in two years to even cheaper yeah but you know what the quantum people will then hog the ram just like right there's always somebody right yeah because before it was crypto right and now this has become a very manhattan-centric show we're going to do as i do usually at the end of every show uh kind of obituaries end of the line and the it was the end of the line for the metro card this year now you know i know dan and when you ride that subway into town you have that little yellow card with the mag strip on it i probably have a few every time i go to the city i buy a metro card um well you won't need it in fact the last time i was in the city i think jeff jarvis said oh no don't buy a metro card use your watch just yeah yeah watch or just tap your phone your phone and i didn't even need to sign up i just tapped my watch and it went and you're in yeah i don't think i got the senior discount uh the metro there is even a uh a video youtube video star podcast where he interviews people pertaining the met on the subway pertaining the metro card is the microphone it's hysterical uh but that credit card is is is going away because uh the mta uh is phasing it out in favor of tap to pay the new system is known as omni one metro new york uh it'll save a lot of money for the mta every year less plastic waste shorter lines and you know if you've got a if you're lucky you got a watch or a phone you just tap it i don't know what people do who don't have that though Do you still have subway tokens?

2:40:34Oh, God, no. I grew up in the token era. Yeah, I remember the tokens, but the tokens have been, and MetroCard's been around forever. I think I might frame mine. I cannot remember a time where I don't have a MetroCard in my wallet. Jody Shapiro, who is the Transit Museum curator, said when the MetroCard debuted in 1994, everybody was like, I don't want to give up my tokens. tokens you'll get my tokens out of my cold dead hands but of course tokens went away everybody got used to the plastic metro cards um and and you know you have to it's not easy to swipe those you've got to really know exactly it's an it's an art just walking yeah it's an art but you know what it killed the great token counterfeit token industry oh the gray token market yeah or black token market really didn't did tokens they had they were like chinese coins right they had a hole in the middle right yeah uh in new york yeah that was in toronto no we had tiny little tiny tokens a little bit smaller what does toronto do now do they have cards or there's a car yeah there's a card yeah and france you have the be it it's it's the end of the line for the MetroCard.

2:41:52And I guess if you don't, what do you do? I don't understand what you do. Does everybody have to have a smartphone now? I know, but the other thing is, you know what? That might also put a damper on the great New York tradition of jumping the turnstile, because if your phone's in your pocket, it'll register it in. We're getting rid of the turnstiles. There's new non-jumpable... Are they gates? Oh. Yeah, there's gates and big barriers on the turnstiles now. And then I guess the last story is a sad story. One of the people who started this business, Stuart Shafey, the creator of the Computer Chronicles, passed away December 28th.

2:42:34He was 87 years old. I'm sure most of the people who watch this show, our show, or watch tech TV remember Stuart. In fact, I interviewed Stuart on a triangulation episode uh where it was just fascinating he told the story of how computer chronicles started he was a station manager at a public tv station in san mateo california kcsm and this was in uh the early 80s uh he decided that maybe they should do a a computer show and uh he created computer chronicles but he says i wasn't a like a coding geek i was uh i was just a um uh you know a regular geek a fan of technology and so i decided i had to have a coding geek on the show here i am interviewing stewart in our old our old studio so he uh found somebody a guy named you may remember this name gary kildall yeah who created cpm and then founded digital research created dr dos and in the early days of computer chronicles it was hosted by steward sheffey and gary kildall there are videos lots of them on youtube of the original computer chronicles here they are at comdex speaking of trade shows showing off the first macintosh computer um there's gary interviewing somebody at the telos booth this is uh this is a lot of fun for me if you haven't seen uh computer chronicles stewart told me that the best place to get it is not on youtube where they're kind of pirated copies of vhs tapes but go to um the uh internet archives where uh they have all of the shows stuart donated uh all of his uh masters to the internet archive and you can watch there's gary kildall you can watch uh the old computer chronicles shows if you want and it really is a trip back in time there is one i've seen on youtube but i'm sure they have it on the archive as well with john c dvorak looking particularly nerdy in his aviator glasses um stuart chaffey uh lived a good long life passed away at the age of 87 but he was so instrumental in i really was the first i'm pretty sure the first computer tv show uh and paved the way for all the rest of us so uh r.i.p stewart you'll be missed he was a great guy And the triangulation episode is on our website at twit.tv slash TRI.

2:45:14It was episode 114 from August 7th, 2013. It was a lot of fun to sit and talk to Stuart and remember the good old days of computing. Dan Patterson, great to see you once again. I'm glad you're doing well. So nice to know that. Health is better. yeah senior director of content blackbird ai daddy to a three-year-old teaching her how to read a pie clock and soon a flipper zero that's next that's next very important you know you gotta i think honestly bringing a kid up nowadays you gotta start to introduce technology at some point at the same time i understand why parents are very reluctant to um get their kids in front of a screen what are you going to do um boy that's a challenge uh i know a lot of parents just do apple watch but i i mean really i'm just going to teach literacy and skepticism good you need both and of course yeah she'll be using compass.blackbird.ai at a very early age subscribe to dan's newsletter it is the news at news.danpatterson.com thank you Dan thank you nerdy little Joey de Villa globalnerdy.com which is by the way a site devoted to kind of just fun stuff quirky stuff how long have you been doing that blog since 2006 wow this is a blog in the original sense of a blog, isn't it?

2:47:00Like where you just put stuff that you're interested in quotes, pictures, stories. It's really good. I highly recommend it. Globalnerdy.com. Yeah. The, uh, yeah, the domain actually, uh, was, came from, uh, came from an app, the application I built for two cows called the Duke of Earl URL that way. And it was, and basically you'd give it some keywords and it would suggest available domain domain names for you and global nerdy was one of them so i said hey i like that i'll buy that one is there uh you you have also the adventures of accordion guy in the 21st century that is my original one and uh yeah that's from 2001 and i made it because cory uh i kept sending cory suggestions for stories when he was on boing boing and he said start your own blog and I did.

2:47:51Yeah. Corey's no longer with boing boing boing boing lives on. Yeah. It's been a while. Yeah. So yeah, that one, that one's been going on since 2001. Nice. Nice. The adventure. Is there any accordion music on here? Uh, I need to get back to that. I used to do more than I will. Because of AI. Did you, you got to record that and put it up somewhere. Well, that's, that's on the global nerdy YouTube channel. Oh, okay. All right. So yeah, I do a couple of versions of it And I'm trying to do a full one with more verses, including what about the price of RAM and getting catfished. So all the usual, yeah, all the usual, all the usual stuff.

2:48:31And I need to record the Oompa Loompa Service Pack 2 song. All right. Global Nerdy. It's a YouTube.com slash at Global Nerdy. Let's get some more subscribers in there and look for the accordion music. Yeah. That's a relatively new project. And I've got to start covering some of my AI projects, including what we talked about in Intelligent Machines, the Too Many Cats MCP server and other. That was great. Yeah. I learned how easy it was to write MCP server, thanks to you. He is an AI developer advocate and available for contract work, of course. Or hire. Or hire. Do you have insurance? I love insurance and RSUs.

2:49:20Oh, nowadays. Insurance and RSUs. What you miss leaving Canada, you know, if you're still up there in Toronto, you'd have health care. Oh, yeah. I do miss that part. I know. I know. Rene Ritchie, when he struck out on his own on YouTube, said, I couldn't do this if I didn't live in Canada, but I can do it because I have health care. I have health insurance. Otherwise, I'd have to have a real job. Of course, he ended up taking a real job at YouTube anyway. Rene's been okay. it's it's hard to turn down when google comes a calling hard to say hard to say no uh thank you joey thank you dan great to see both of you thank you a lot of fun joey great to meet you great to meet you some real history with the joe i didn't know that man wow we do twitter every sunday uh next week our ces annual ces uh show with jennifer pattison tui and father robert uh balassare the digital jesuit we're hoping to get jason heiner on there as well uh two to five p.m pacific five to eight p.m eastern 2200 utc we stream it live so you can watch live if you want to you don't have to but if you're in the mood and you want to chat with us live uh you can do it a variety of ways club members of course can do it in the club twit discord but everybody can see it on our youtube channel youtube.com twit we're also on twitch.tv twit x.com facebook linkedin and kick.com so six different ways you can watch live after the fact on demand versions are available at our website twit.tv there's also a youtube channel dedicated to this week in tech that's got the video we've got audio and video and you could subscribe in your favorite podcast player audio or video or both make sure you leave us a good review now so you tell the world about the uh well one of the longest running if not the longest running a tech show i think there are actually others that are a little bit older but 20 years we've been doing this uh and it you know after 20 years it's hard to get the word out we're not the new kid in the town so tell the tell the world about this week in tech thank you everybody for being here happy new year to you all uh we will see you next time and as i've said for 20 years and i will say that for another 20 god willing and if the cricks don't rise another twit is in the can see you later Amazing.

2:51:40Doing the twit. Doing the twit. All right. Doing the twit, baby. Doing the twit. All right. I was going to get a job, but then came AI. I'm now an unemployed slob because of AI. I'm hiding from Terminators, yeah, you know why. Yeah, hey, because of AI. Because of AI. Girls will be high