From the Frontlines

2 Oct 2025 · 52 min

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Episode Summary In this episode of *Throughline*, hosts Rund Abdelfatah and Ramtin Arablouei explore the pressing issue of journalism in war zones, particularly in light of the ongoing conflict in Gaza following the Hamas-led attack on Israel on October 7, 2023. The episode highlights the unprecedented threats faced by journalists, particularly in Gaza where they have become targets in their pursuit of truth.

Key Themes

  • Threats to Journalism: The episode discusses the alarming statistics surrounding journalist casualties in conflict zones, particularly emphasizing that at least 220 journalists have been killed in Gaza since the October attack, marking it as the deadliest conflict for journalists documented by the Committee to Protect Journalists.
  • Role of War Reporters: War reporters are depicted as essential figures who document the realities of conflict, often at great personal risk. The episode emphasizes their critical role in ensuring the truth is told.
  • Local vs. Foreign Journalists: The episode contrasts the experiences of local journalists like Enes Baba, who reports from within Gaza, with foreign journalists who face restrictions and challenges in accessing the region.

Detailed Notes

Introduction

  • Rund and Ramtin introduce the episode's focus on the dangers faced by war reporters, particularly in Gaza amidst the recent escalations in conflict.

Enes Baba's Reporting Experience

  • Enes Baba, an NPR reporter in Gaza, shares his personal experiences amidst the ongoing conflict:
  • Describes the constant threat of bombardment and the emotional burden of reporting amidst personal loss, as he has lost friends and colleagues.
  • Highlights challenges in obtaining basic resources like water and electricity, emphasizing the dire humanitarian crisis.

Journalism Under Fire

  • The discussion covers the systematic targeting of journalists in Gaza:
  • Enes expresses the fear of being the next casualty and the psychological toll of witnessing daily violence.
  • The danger is compounded by Israeli military operations that often explicitly target journalists.

Global Context of Journalism in Conflict

  • The episode places Gaza within a broader context of journalistic threats worldwide, mentioning conflicts in regions like Yemen, Mexico, and Ukraine.
  • Highlights the issue of censorship and the precarious balance journalists must maintain between their safety and the truth they seek to report.

Historical Perspective

  • The podcast draws historical parallels to previous conflicts, particularly Vietnam and Iraq, examining how journalism has evolved in war reporting.
  • Discusses the implications of military embedding during the Iraq War, critiquing how it sometimes led to skewed narratives that aligned with governmental perspectives.

The Power of Local Voices

  • Emphasizes the importance of local journalists like Enes who provide unique insights into the realities on the ground, often in the face of systemic oppression and violence.
  • Enes articulates a commitment to documenting the lives of ordinary Gazans, expressing the desire to amplify their voices amid a humanitarian catastrophe.

Challenges of Reporting in Gaza

  • Enes describes the difficulty of reporting amidst attacks, including issues related to communications and the physical danger involved in gathering news.
  • He reflects on the dual burden of being a journalist while also a survivor in a war zone, confronting his own trauma while striving to report the truth.

Conclusion

  • The hosts summarize the vital role of journalists in documenting history, stressing the consequences of silencing these voices.
  • The episode closes with a call to acknowledge the profound risks journalists take in their pursuit of truth and the importance of supporting independent journalism.

Key Takeaways

  • Journalism is under attack globally, especially in conflict zones where the truth is often obscured by violence and censorship.
  • Local journalists are crucial to understanding the lived experiences of those affected by war and should be supported and protected.
  • Historical patterns in war journalism reveal ongoing challenges related to access, censorship, and the narratives presented to the public.
  • The personal stories of journalists like Enes Baba highlight the human cost of reporting and the imperative to convey the realities faced by those in conflict zones.

Final Thoughts This episode of *Throughline* serves as a poignant reminder of the sacrifices made by journalists in war-torn regions and the critical need for their voices and stories to be heard.

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0:00This message comes from MSNOW. On their new podcast, MS Now presents Clock It. Washington power players Simone Sanders-Townson and Eugene Daniels discuss how the latest political news and the catchiest cultural moments converge. Listen now wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, it's Ramteen. This is the first time in over half a century that NPR and its member stations are operating without federal funding. It may feel uncertain, but here's what is certain. Public media endures. Independent, resilient, people-powered. Whatever the moment, you'll still find us here telling stories that matter.

0:50I still remember every single time that one of my friends were targeted. We're just getting some breaking news now that a journalist has been killed in an Israeli army attack. Some of them, they targeted their houses with their families. Gaza bureau chief Wail al-Dahdouh lost his wife, two children and a grandchild. Others, they were sleeping in tents inside of the hospitals. News cameras were already trained on the Nasser hospital after an initial Israeli strike killed several people. A short time later, a second Israeli strike hit as first responders and journalists have already rushed to the scene.

1:31Targeting AP, NPC, and international media like Al Jazeera and others. You just feel that you're going to be the next person to be covered with white shrouds. and your own colleagues is taking photos of you, taking you to the cemetery, and after that, returning to keep reporting and saying, Allah yirhamu, which means rest in peace.

2:07When journalists are silenced, the truth is going to be buried with them.

2:15This is Enes Baba. Enes Baba, NPR News, Gaza City. Since 2020, Enes has been reporting for NPR from Gaza, where he was born and raised. The Israelis started to open fire. Like the two million other Palestinians in Gaza, Enes has lived the past two years facing bombardment, displacement, and starvation, when an independent UN inquiry has concluded is genocide. Often I'm reporting with no protective gears because your own protective gears maybe is going to make you more on a target for the Israelis. We move quickly. We move in foot. Sometimes we hide our press vest. Journalism is under unprecedented threat worldwide, from Mexico to China to Ukraine, Pakistan, Sudan, and Yemen.

3:05The Committee to Protect Journalists has said the killing of 31 Yemeni journalists in an Israeli airstrike last week was the second deadliest single attack on the press ever recorded by the committee. Reporters Without Borders estimates that at least 220 journalists have been killed in Gaza alone since the Hamas-led attack on October 7, 2023. That's more than we're killed in the Vietnam War and the war in Afghanistan combined. And it isn't even close. The Committee to Protect Journalists says it's the deadliest conflict for journalists the group has ever documented. And almost all of them are Palestinian.

3:48Although some foreign journalists have embedded with the Israeli military, Israel has barred foreign journalists from independently entering Gaza for the last two years. The vast majority of reporting you here comes from local journalists like Enes. But even under bombardment, we continue to report. Here in Gaza, after... This is the reality of Gaza, if you can hear it. Was that an explosion that I just heard? A helicopter is opening fire on the houses. How close are you to that? Are you in a safe place? There is no safe place in Gaza, and there is nothing called where are you exactly safe or not, because bullets do not differentiate, and bullets do not know that's me working for an American outlet.

4:35I'll be honest, I was pretty concerned for Ennis at this point. But he seemed almost unfazed. Death is a daily reality, a daily possibility for him. Throughout nearly two years of war, Enes has run toward airstrike after airstrike to bear witness to the aftermath and report back to you and me and millions of listeners, something that reporters have been doing for over a century now. This is Trafalgar Square. The noise that you hear at the moment is the sound of the air raid siren. A year of witnessing the ferocious war machine that the Bosnian Serb commander had on. Hundreds of Taliban overran Barz Mattel a week ago.

5:19He did not like my reporting. Our journey begins in Port Sudan. Russian forces are trying to pressure Kostya Ternovkov from three sides. We saw Mossab's lifeless body lying on the floor next to the fridge. Is this the press f***ing coming here again? The press again, so they can f***ing strike here again. Get the f*** out of here. I'm Randab Delfattah. I'm Ramtin Arablui. On this episode of ThruLine from NPR, we'll travel from the marshes of Vietnam to the Iraqi desert and back to the rubble-filled streets of Gaza to explore how journalists navigate the pressure of politics and propaganda to report from the front lines of war.

6:02How they go about reporting the truth to people who may not even want to hear it. And what's at stake when they can't tell those stories.

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7:05Follow Safe to Drink wherever you're listening. This message comes from 48 Hours with the 48 Hours Postmortem Podcast. Host Anne-Marie Greene joins producers and correspondents to discuss key evidence, dead ends, and stranger-than-fiction twists they faced in the field. Listen on your favorite podcast app. On the latest episode of Sources and Methods and Pure's National Security Podcast, the U.S. and Israel have attacked Iran. President Trump is calling for regime change, telling Iranians, quote, When we are finished, take over your government. We break down the most important questions about what happens next.

7:41I'm Mary Louise Kelly. Listen now to Sources and Methods on the NPR app or wherever you get your podcasts.

7:52Rockets! Rockets! War in South Vietnam. An ugly war in a far-off place to which the United States is deeply committed. Part one, the uncensored war. It's 1964. U.S. military advisors have already been in Vietnam for over a decade. By the spring of 1964, the Viet Cong had reached a strength of an estimated 60 ,000 troops and controlled nearly 68 % of South Vietnam's villages and emits. Successive U.S. administrations said they were in Vietnam to prevent communism from spreading throughout Southeast Asia, and things weren't going well. But most Americans weren't paying much attention to the conflict.

8:41This is a war that begins in a very sort of slow way that initially was largely ignored. This is Susan Caruthers, historian at the University of Warwick and author of the book The Media at War. Jim Crow, political assassinations, voting rights, those domestic issues were much more top of mind. But then... On the night of August 4th, 1964, President Johnson appeared on national television. Renewed hostile actions against United States ships on the high seas in the Gulf of Tonkin have today... Following a disputed incident in the Gulf of Tonkin involving an exchange of fire between U.S. and North Vietnamese ships, Congress, with near-unanimous support in the House and Senate, then passed the Gulf of Tonkin Resolution, which authorized President Lyndon Johnson to escalate military involvement in Vietnam without a formal declaration of war.

9:40And suddenly, the draft was ramped up. And more and more thousands of American men sent there. Which led more Americans to ask questions about the war. And news outlets responded. This is what the war in Vietnam is all about. American soldiers hiking their way through the sweaty jungles of South Vietnam, searching for an elusive enemy. And of course, by 1967, 1968 is a staple of the nightly news on television. It first appeared that the Marines had been sniped at and that a few houses were made to pay. Film reels would be flown to Tokyo for quick editing and developing and then flown to the U.S.

10:19There were three main networks broadcasting news from Vietnam, ABC, NBC, and CBS. And the big publications like the New York Times and Time Magazine also sent their reporters there. Blue didn't want to come to Vietnam, and he'd much rather be a businessman than a soldier. But right now, he's in charge of the lives of 21 men. Most of the reporting focused on the U.S. perspective, American soldiers, policy, military strategy. We might see Vietnamese peasants in obvious anguish, distressed, grieving, but mostly the Vietnamese who featured in American news broadcasts were silent.

11:09A flurry of alternative and international media outlets were also reporting from Vietnam. Many staff correspondents were headquartered in Saigon. The full fury of the war has scarcely touched Saigon. It attracts visitors, GIs on leave, and even American tourists anxious for a feel of the war. I remember the day after I got there, I was asked to a party on top of the roof of the best hotel, the Carabelle. There was roses and champagne and all kinds of wonderful things. You'd think you were at home, you know. But then, over the edge of the parapet, you could see these flares coming up. And the question was, was it incoming or outgoing?

12:00You would never know until it happened. This is Frances Fitzgerald. She goes by Frankie. In 1966, Frankie flew to Vietnam sort of on a whim. She was 26, from a wealthy family, and curious about the world. So she decided to take a break from her local reporting job in New York to travel to Southeast Asia, wanting to see the place where her father had deployed during World War II. She went to Thailand, Laos, and eventually landed in Vietnam. I thought I would just spend a month there, do an article or two, pay my airfare back. But when I got there, I found I couldn't leave. I mean, I'd never seen a war before, of course, and it was all too fascinating.

12:48Frankie says she never really felt unsafe, even as one of the only women reporting there. Some of the American soldiers and the Vietnamese soldiers were kind of furious I was there because they thought they would have to protect me, which I couldn't understand. And some just felt that their macho was diminished because a woman was there. So I didn't like that. But journalists were allowed to go anywhere. They could go out with the troops. Nobody was holding their hands or stopping them. Unlike in previous conflicts like World War II, the U.S. military made a conscious decision not to formally censor journalists.

13:30They saw Vietnam as more of a limited conflict, not a full-scale war. Every evening, a girl on spindle heels picks her way over the barrier of rotting fruit and onto the sidewalk. Frankie arrived with a still film camera and a typewriter she'd packed into her suitcase. And as a freelance journalist, she could pretty much report whatever story she wanted. It just occurred to me that the thing that was missing was that the American high command knew nothing about the Vietnamese. Behind her, the alleyway carpeted with mud winds back past the facade of new houses into a maze of thatched huts and tin-roofed shacks called Boi Phat, one of the oldest of the refugee quarters.

14:19She got articles printed in the Village Voice, The Atlantic, the New York Review of Books, and the New York Times Magazine, centering the Vietnamese perspective. so so walk me through like how did you actually go about um getting getting that perspective because i'm assuming you didn't speak vietnamese well um i found i mean i found several interpreters along the way that wasn't hard to do because people wanted to do that you make a lot of money that way and how would you know if someone was a good interpreter if you don't speak vietnamese I could feel it. Frankie would travel around the South Vietnamese countryside with her interpreter, hoping to connect with people.

15:06But she wasn't always welcomed with open arms. Americans do not normally walk through the slums. Not the real slums, like those in the outlying areas. She remembers going into a community where refugees were living in makeshift homes, built on planks atop a marsh. They were angry at being displaced from their villages and put in this marsh. Gigantic sewers, lakes full of stagnant filth. And suddenly, a pebble sails out and falls gently on the stranger's back. It is followed by a hail of stones. She began getting pelted with stones. I was sort of offended by it in the sense that I thought, what have I done?

15:50But I could very well understand. If I had to live in such a place, I perhaps would be throwing stones too. These refugees lose their lands, their families, their ancestral homes, and the structure of their lives.

16:09Frankie says the key to finally connecting with people was just continuing to show up. they would realize that you were not going to come and blow up the village.

16:22How did you approach fact-checking? Either things that the local Vietnamese people were telling you, or the things that the U.S. military or the Vietnamese local police were telling you? Sometimes it was absolutely impossible. You just have to do the best you could. Find other sources that said the same thing. I think we're given certain leeway by our editors. There was a rule that you couldn't prove anything in a story by quoting a Vietnamese. Wow. So it was pretty explicit that if your source was a Vietnamese person versus an American commander, let's say, the two statements are not equal. Not equal.

17:05Not equal. And there were times when she felt the reality she was witnessing would be too unbelievable to her readers. I went to see the civilian hospital. And then, you know, I see all these epidemies on beds outside their rooms with terrible burns, which they had from napalm. You know, to describe it right here is almost impossible for me. It was so awful. I didn't know what to do. I reported some of it, but just not the really gruesome details. Why did you leave the most gruesome details out, do you think? Well, because I felt there wouldn't be credible, really. I didn't have an organization behind me.

18:05everybody had this internal sensor which sort of said you know how far can I go with this

18:16is is journalism's role to push the conversation if that's where the truth is leading or is it to meet people where they are until they're ready to hear the sort of bigger ecstatic truth Well, it's probably to do the first, but at the expense of not having it printed at all. To one people, the war would appear each day, compressed between advertisements and confined to a small space in the living room. The explosion of bombs and the cries of the wounded would become the background accompaniment to dinner. In 1972, Frankie published a series of articles in The New Yorker detailing her years of reporting from Vietnam that were then turned into a book called Fire in the Lake, which won the Pulitzer Prize.

19:08For the other people, the war would come one day out of a clear blue sky. In a few minutes, it would be over. The bombs, released by an invisible pilot with incomprehensible intentions, would leave only the debris and the dead behind. It was the first major book by an American profiling Vietnam, its history, its people, the impact of the war on them. At the time, Frankie described the book as a, quote, first draft of history.

19:45Frankie's book was part of a chorus of reporting that had been fueling a growing anti-war movement for years. So many Americans are not only opposed to the war, but vehemently out on the streets. Public opinion had dramatically begun to shift going into 1968. U.S. troop numbers were at an all-time high. And then came the Tet Offensive. Communist forces swept through more than 100 South Vietnamese cities, towns, and villages. American and South Vietnamese troops fought them back. and the North suffered huge losses. It was, militarily, a win for the U.S., but optically, it was a resounding defeat.

20:31Reporters sent back photos that shook the American public. In one, a South Vietnamese soldier stands over a North Vietnamese prisoner, pistol in hand, carrying out an execution. Another shows bloodstains, bullet holes, and dead bodies at the U.S. Embassy. Susan Carruthers says, for much of the war in Vietnam, the news media... ...was absolutely beholden to this Cold War template that the United States was there to try to prop up the league at South Vietnam. And that changes only really after the consensus on Capitol Hill itself has started to break down. Editors are more willing to sort of push the boundaries of the sayable, the showable.

21:16It seems now more certain than ever that the bloody experience of Vietnam is to end in a stalemate. About a month after the Tet Offensive, Walter Cronkite, the anchorman for CBS Evening News, known then as the most trusted man in America, recorded this broadcast after a trip to Vietnam. It is increasingly clear to this reporter that the only rational way out then will be to negotiate, not as victors, but as an honorable people who lived up to their pledge to defend democracy and did the best they could. After hearing this broadcast, President Johnson reportedly said, if I've lost Cronkite, I've lost Middle America.

22:02And within weeks, he decided to not run for re-election. It was seen by many as a turning point. News coverage became overwhelmingly more negative. Though the war would continue for another seven years until 1975, with the defeated U.S. withdrawing the last of its combat troops two years earlier, journalists were credited with and blamed for ending the war. They had risked life and limb, often without the safety of a military escort, to report the truth. More than 60 journalists paid the ultimate price for it. and Vietnam came to be known as the uncensored war. The obvious lesson that the U.S.

22:47military and the British military are looking very carefully at all of this. Learn is that they should never leave the media to be uncensored in any future conflict that they're fighting. Coming up, war reporting gets a makeover fit for TV.

23:11Hello, this is Dominic Pallone from the oil fields of Douglas, Wyoming. You're listening to ThruLine on NPR. Part 2. Embedded.

23:33It's April 2003, a year and a half after 9-11. An overturned truck smolders on the side of the road, the bitter scent of diesel filling the air. The metallic growl of armored vehicles churns through the sand. Buildings pockmarked with bullet holes sit empty. Cruise missiles streak across the night sky. Operation Iraqi Freedom is underway. Breaking news yet again, southwest or west of the city of Baghdad, that is where we find Walt again. Walt, good afternoon there. What do you have? Hello, Bill. Serious American casualties in the battle for Baghdad this morning. It's great sleep deprivation. There's no privacy.

24:16You're in an armored vehicle or a Humvee, as I was in a Humvee. This is Walter Rogers. Army sources have told CNN that the casualties are at least six wounded. He's a retired journalist who spent decades traveling from one conflict zone to the next, much of that time reporting on air for CNN. He flew to Afghanistan during the Soviet war there, Sarajevo during the Bosnian genocide, southern Lebanon during Israel's occupation. It was Winston Churchill who said, there's nothing so exhilarating as being shot at and missed. We just heard an inco—what the hell? Can you hear me? Atlanta, we just heard something shooting.

25:03While embedded in Iraq, Walter went where the American soldiers went, living with troops reporting under the jurisdiction of the military. And his dispatches often ended with this editor's note. Quote, This report was written in accordance with Pentagon ground rules, allowing so-called embedded reporting, in which journalists join deployed troops. Among the rules accepted by all participating news organizations is an agreement not to disclose sensitive operational details. Embedding is, with whatever limitations you ascribe to it, embedding is always good because you get to see. I mean, you can tell propaganda stuff when it raises its ugly head.

25:52The main reason given by the Bush administration for the invasion was... That Iraq has weapons of mass destruction. A claim that many media outlets, including NPR, repeated in the lead-up to the invasion, and that would turn out to not be true.

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26:11Now, looking back, some people will say the media, war correspondents, who were reporting very much from the perspective of the U.S. military and giving weight to what the administration was saying. Were there reasons for going to Iraq? Some people now say, well, those journalists, they all helped sell the war. As someone who was in Iraq at that time reporting, what do you think of that? Well, I'm reminded of an incident in Iraq at the end of this second or third week. And one of the things that I recall was that there were people who were trumpeting that first wave as a great invasion, that the Iraqis would welcome Americans with open arms.

27:01We would ride through and convoys in those Iraqi villages. And there was no celebration. There was no welcoming the Americans there. And the public didn't want to hear that. So you can't tell people things they don't want to hear. But did you ever feel like if the truth is something they don't want to hear, it still needs to be said because it's the truth? Yes, and it parks on management of the company you work for and tell you they don't want to hear what you're reporting. Because it didn't comply with the White House version of events. Wow. What did that actually mean in terms of the reporting?

27:46I can't go into much specifics on this, but sometimes they would say, well, the White House won't like this. So they tempered your reporting. So they would say, take this out, take that out. No, we don't want this shot. Yes. Don't say that. Wow. I mean, would you use the word censorship? Yes. Yes, I would. There was a definite effort in those days to skew the reporting of the reporter in the field and make it conform to what they felt the administration wanted. We reached out to CNN about this, and they had no comment.

28:29The 2003 invasion of Iraq wasn't the first time the news media was accused by media watch groups and some journalists themselves. of selling a war on behalf of the U.S. government. It wasn't the first time journalists were restricted in their coverage either. In fact, embedding was actually set up as a way to offer more access to the front lines because the Pentagon had received such strong criticism for restricting access to journalists during the first invasion of Iraq, a little over a decade earlier. And an explosive development near the Persian Gulf. In 1991, the U.S. led a multinational invasion of Iraq after Saddam Hussein invaded and annexed its oil-rich neighbor, Kuwait.

29:14This set off the first Gulf War. Something is happening outside. The skies over Baghdad have been illuminated. Of course, there had been a whole revolution in communications technology, the so-called CNN effect. During the initial strikes on Baghdad, CNN was the only network reporting live. Beamed into your living room in real time. On camera. 24-7. To tens of millions of viewers in the U.S. and around the world. There's a lot of fire going up. And it puts CNN on the map in a big way. Historian Susan Caruthers says this is when the U.S. military — Employ the sort of full panoply of measures that will be wheeled out again in Afghanistan and Iraq of sort of forming the press into pools and having briefings, trying to make sure everyone is singing from the same hymn sheet, as it were.

30:09She says the irony is this was the early days of the internet and new technologies like email and satellite phones were making it logistically more possible than ever for a journalist to do what Frankie Fitzgerald had done in Vietnam, independently report from the battlefield. Still, most journalists chose to follow the military's rules and the few who didn't. They were liable to be accused of treachery, often by fellow journalists. The BBC, for example. Was branded the Baghdad Broadcasting Corporation by some British journalistic critics. And I think that's another very powerful disciplinary force.

30:49How other journalists often are so keen to whip their colleagues into line if they think that they are reporting too far from the other side. So those sort of pressures to toe the line, to report from within a very tightly bounded, patriotic nationalist framework, I think are remarkably persistent. When the first Gulf War came to an end in 1991 and journalists were reflecting on the restrictions the U.S. military had imposed during the war. Many journalists and news organizations say this was a devastating defeat for the First Amendment. We let ourselves be suckered into these arrangements. And that critique is trotted out again during the much longer conflicts in Afghanistan and Iraq.

31:41The pressure that war reporters contend with is really complex. They might embed with troops because it's safer. It might give them access to places that could otherwise be out of reach. They often have to weigh whether their reporting could put troops in danger, the same troops they're often traveling with, living with. And if you're a foreign correspondent, then you might be in a place where your country is the one dropping the bombs or funding the weapons. On September the 11th, enemies of freedom committed an act of war against our country. Susan says there's another big factor in all of this.

32:18All of this was brought upon us in a single day. The incredible power of the word, the label, terrorism. The war on terror extends beyond just a shadowy terrorist network. The war on terror involves Saddam Hussein. If everyone sort of shares this idea that there are illegitimate forms of violence. In today's world, even a handful of terrorists who place no value on human life, including their own, can do a lot of damage. And there are legitimate ones that we, in our uniforms, exercise and have a monopoly over. And then there are opponents who are terrorists. Now a different threat challenges our world.

33:11Radical Islamic terrorism. That powerful delegitimizing tag does an awful lot of work, it seems to me, to bring people quickly to heel, to silence voices, to cause people to think very hard about whether they really want to show or say certain things. Where does allegiance lie? I think that's what it all boils down to, isn't it? Questions of how one appraises responsibility to whom exactly, and perhaps another even more diffuse layer of responsibility, which is what do humans owe to fellow humans in the face of catastrophic human suffering? You don't want anybody to die. There's no joy in seeing people writhing on the ground or smelling their rotting corpses.

34:07A lot of war reporters suffer from substance abuse, PTSD, and a sense of powerlessness. So how did you cope with that reality? You don't forget everything you learned in Sunday school. You look for the humanity which shines through. You cover Palestinians, you cover Iraqi refugees, Balkan refugees, Serbs, Croatians. You know, you always see the humanity, even in the person you call the enemy. That's why you have locals working with you and for you and keeping you honest. And you're ever in their debt. Foreign reporters often work with local people to translate, explain the culture, drive, gain access, stay safe, and find and report stories.

35:05Iraq and Afghanistan are good cases in point. With microphone and camera in hand, they are there for every skirmish. Ever more of that work was offloaded onto local reporters as those places became more dangerous and as American coalition forces tended to retreat. Did you film that car bomb? To the relative safety of their fortified bases. More than 200 media and media support staff, most of them Iraqis, have been killed since 2003. Dozens more have been kidnapped or arrested. The people who are really doing the hard work of reporting on the wars, people who are much more poorly paid than a British or American journalist who are taking on different kinds of dangers with incredible bravery and commitment in their own countries for whom the stakes are exponentially higher.

36:08Coming up. My story here is not only about being a journalist or a survivor. I'm a witness. We return to Gaza with Anas Baba. I'm a witness to where the light turned into darkness.

36:32This is Christopher from St. Louis, and you're listening to ThruLine on NPR.

36:40Part 3. A dual burden. A few weeks ago, just before the invasion of Gaza City began, I was trying to get in touch with Enes Bhabha, NPR's reporter on the ground there. He's one of the only remaining Palestinian journalists working full-time for an American outlet. As you can imagine, nothing is easy in Gaza. And even patching a call-through wasn't as simple as dialing a number. Israeli strikes on infrastructure have made internet connections spotty in Gaza. So we couldn't use apps like Signal or WhatsApp to make the call. And regular calls in Gaza are monitored by Israel. The first few times, the call would just drop.

37:27Then I got a few rings. One time, my call was passed into a random conversation. A few times, I got this message.

37:40Hello. The subscriber you have dialed is disconnected. And finally, 20 or so attempts later, Enes called me from that phone number. Hello? Samania? Yes. Yes. Samania. Perfect. Perfect. I'm trying to call this number that you called from and it goes directly to call ended. Welcome to Jalavad. It was kind of surreal talking to Enes. I was sitting in my closet where I record because it's quiet. And it occurred to me that it was kind of amazing that I suddenly felt like I was there with him.

38:20I'm sitting here to see the only place that we can see that we are still alive. To see that there is hope, there is life, which is the beach, the sea. Oh, is that what I'm hearing in the background is the waves? Yes, this is the waves and at the same time the wind of the sea. So in front of you, you're looking out at water, at the waves. And behind you, what does the scene look like? In front of me, yes, there is the sea, the water. But also, we do have the Israeli Navy craft. It's so close to us, it opens fire on us on daily basis. So if you tried to go in the water, they could open fire on you?

39:02even if you want to just dip your own toes in the water. Even fishing is prohibited here in Gaza. This is what I see in front of me. But behind me, there is a newly bombed towers that's been bombed today by the Israelis. The destruction, it's a daily thing. The street I walked yesterday might be bombed today. Maybe the building that my friends is living in can be bombed. It creates inside of you a dual burden. Being both a journalist and a survivor that's living in Gaza itself, you are documenting suffering, and at the same time, you are experiencing it in yourself. What does that look like for you, to both live in these conditions, under constant bombardment, struggling to find food, and also reporting, you know, for NPR?

39:56I woke at around 5 to 6 a.m. every single day to try to collect my own water. It's the only thing to find clean, drinkable water. I need to find internet in order to understand exactly what happened overnight. If there is an airstrikes and if there is a death toll that's being at one of the hospitals, which, by the way, we don't have a real hospital. most of the hospitals in Gaza City, is totally destructed or partially destructed and partially functioning. In the waiting hall of the patient's friends hospital in Gaza City, dozens of mothers cradle their infants. Israel is limiting and controlling the entry of pretty much everything going into Gaza.

40:41Fuel, medical supplies, food, even medical staff. From the hospital going to the morgue. Every day, as part of his reporting, and as counts the dead at the morgue. And from that, maybe to do a story about the humans and how the Gazans is being living. Shihada says we haven't seen bread for ages. We wait for charity meals. If they come, we eat. She has not eaten in a week, she says. Enes told me on many days, he does all of this with almost no food in his system. Maybe a bowl of lentil soup or a few pieces of falafel. Now you're consuming your own life with each step. But when you are a journalist, you cannot stop.

41:22It's that adrenaline rush. It's that duty. It's that job that you dedicated yourself since day one, that you are going to document every single thing that's happening in Gaza in a neutral way. And I'm repeating that in a neutral way. You cannot even be, as a journalist here in Gaza, you cannot be one-sided. Always you need to tell the truth. I'm passionate about the truth. If there is a strike and people that are being killed, OK, from a local rocket, from the Palestinians, I say that the Palestinians being killed by a local rocket. I mean, that's such an incredible burden in so many ways, but also responsibility that you and other journalists in Gaza have carried, especially since October 7th, when foreign journalists were barred from entering Gaza.

42:12More than 200 media outlets all over the world, and even the Foreign Press Association and the Committee to Protect the Journalists, they issued a statement asking Israel why you don't allow the foreign journalists to enter. The headline of the statement reads, quote, At the rate journalists are being killed in Gaza by the Israeli army, there will soon be no one left to keep you informed. And then demands three things.

42:53Israel's foreign ministry called the appeal a and said

43:08spreads. Trust me when I say this, what we are reporting here from Gaza is only 10 percent from the reality. There is too many airstrikes, there is too many massacres, there is non-stop a humanitarian crisis that we're going through. And we as journalists in Gaza, after two years of reporting non-stop, we need our own brothers, our own colleagues to enter Gaza to help us. How do you make sense of, you know, when you hear about another journalist has been killed?

44:04And maybe most of the times we show sympathy with the hostages in Gaza because they are living the same bombardments, the same famine with us in Gaza here. But just imagine that you are going to the funerals every single day. Entire families killed in Israeli attacks are being buried here on the grounds of the hospital. But this time is different. Most of them are my friends. Most of them, they were journalists, fathers, mothers, sisters. Adil, Marwa, Abdul Kareem, Mohammed, Mahmoud, Tasneem, Sham, another two are next to me. I'm thanking Allah that I'm not married. I'm thanking Allah that I didn't have children because having that responsibility on my own shoulders is truly going to be the hardest thing in my life to live.

45:01It's something that... Okay, Rwand, Rwand, Rwand, we need to end the call in the meantime because it's being monitored and at the same time it's being tracked. Okay. So I need to end the call and call you back, okay? He was hearing beeps on the line. There are various theories on why things like that happen, including weakened infrastructure. Anyway, a few minutes later, Enes called me back. Hello? Can you hear me? I asked him if Israeli surveillance had ever interfered with his reporting. When I was in my own house, a quadcaptor, a quadcaptor is a drone that holds a gun and explosive and at the same time a microphone.

45:43It came, let's say, 50 centimeters away from my own window and they started to speak to me and demanded me to evacuate the area. Before that, an Israeli official called me and he told me that you are in a military zone and you keep reporting and they want you to go out of here. Otherwise, you're going to put yourself at risk. Risk has always been part of the job for war reporters. And it's never been higher than for journalists in Gaza, who are being killed at record levels. Israel also accuses some Gazan journalists of being, quote, terrorists. The Committee to Protect Journalists has said, quote, The IDF has a long-standing pattern of making unsubstantiated claims that many of the journalists they have deliberately killed in Gaza were terrorists.

46:33Without social media, no one will ever know anything about what is happening in Gaza. Social media has given the world a more unfiltered stream of images and videos from Gaza, pushing the conversation. We were seeing the word genocide being used in social media reels well before the UN Commission issued its conclusion. Many U.S.-based media outlets, including NPR, do not call what's happening in Gaza a genocide. Israel has rejected the findings of the UN Commission, accusing commission members of being, quote, Hamas proxies with openly anti-Semitic positions. It took 60 ,000 people to be killed.

47:18More than 100 ,000 people injured. Most of the Gaza infrastructure and houses is totally destroyed, turned into rubble and ashes. Social media, like the internet, is often unreliable in Gaza. And in those moments, reporting like Ennis' is one of the few ways the outside world learns what's happening in Gaza. It's why he got into journalism in the first place. I wanted to give the voices of the people here The innocents who are often reduced to numbers or headlines. Enes told me growing up in Gaza, he often felt like so much was beyond his control. Because being a Gazan means that you are a cursed person.

48:02You were living in one of the biggest open-air prisons ever. They called us animals, and they are treating us less than an animal. He has vivid memories of occupation and then a series of wars between Hamas and Israel. I saw the first tank in my life when I was six years old. And there was a curfew from the Israelis in my own neighborhood for five days. We lived without water. We lived without food. We lived without anything. So our childhood was always filled with blood, filled with safa. His father is a longtime photojournalist for AFP, a French news agency. So I was born with a camera on my own lap.

48:47Enes joined NPR because he wanted to bring the things he was witnessing to the outside world. There is nothing that drives me to keep going more and more, more than the people themselves, more than how resilient the Gazans are, because this is not something new for them. This is something that they lived from 1948, when the Israelis took control over Palestine, and they killed our own ancestors and grandfathers. And after that, we just displaced to Gaza here. Have you ever felt at any point while you've been reporting, like you, as someone who is a Palestinian journalist in Gaza, you were on the same level as a foreign journalist coming in?

49:31Okay. This is a hard one, by the way. To be honest, with my own environment at NPR, they are totally supportive. We are a tribe of journalists. We are Jews, we are Palestinians, we are Muslims, we are Christians. We are from Gaza, we are from Tel Aviv. So we cannot make our work environment got poisoned. But many of other colleagues outside of NPR with other media outlets, they resigned. because they felt pious from colleagues inside of the media outlet. Living in the U.S., consuming American media, you know, October 7th is invoked any time that discussion about the destruction of Gaza comes up.

50:16And so I want to take a moment to actually talk about October 7th. And I'm curious to know what you remember about that day, October 7th, 2023. The question is not, what do you remember? The question is, have you ever forgot that day? It was the day that truly turned our lives upside down. That no one in Gaza as civilians agreed on. But we are the ones as civilians that are being punished. 1 ,200 Israelis killed that day. and Israel killed 60 ,000 people. Is there a point where you think you would say, I can't report on this anymore because it's my life at stake and I have to just get to safety and I have to leave?

51:24When I'm going to leave Gaza, when all of this reached an end, when Israel sees us as humans, when Israel treats us as humans, otherwise, I'm not going to leave Gaza. I was born in Gaza. I was raised in Gaza. I grew up in Gaza. I graduated in Gaza. I worked in Gaza. The history is being written, and now it's the time to stand with the right side of the history.

52:08That was Anas Baba, NPR's reporter in Gaza. That's it for this week's show. I'm Ramtin Arablui. I'm Randa Abdel Fattah, and you've been listening to ThruLine from NPR. This episode was produced by me. And me and. Lawrence Wu. Julie Kane. Anya Steinberg. Casey Miner. Christina Kim. Devin Kadiyama. Irene Noguchi. Fact-checking for this episode was done by Kevin Vogel. The episode was mixed by Robert Rodriguez. Music for this episode was composed by Ramtin and his band, Drop Electric, which includes. Naveed Marvi Sho Fujiwara Anya Mizani Thank you to Al Jazeera, Daniel Estrin, Enes Baba, Deedee Skanky, James Heider, Tony Cavan, Nadia Lancey, Laura Schwartz, Johannes Durgey, Edith Chapin, and Colin Campbell.

53:05And finally, if you have an idea or like something you heard on the show, please write us at throughline at npr.org. And make sure to follow us on Apple, Spotify, or the NPR app. That way, you'll never miss an episode. Thanks for listening.

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Journalism is under unprecedented threat worldwide. At least 220 journalists have been killed in Gaza alone since the October 7th, 2023 Hamas-led attack on Israel; the Committee to Protect Journalists says it’s the deadliest conflict for journalists the group has ever documented. In conflicts around the world, it’s war reporters who write the first draft of history. But getting to the front lines, finding the truth, and reporting it is easier said than done. Today on the show: war reporters, and what’s at stake if they can’t do their jobs.

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