In short
How the prosperity gospel and “American Dream” mindset link positive-thinking/self-help, neoliberal capitalism, and religious TV/mail-order fundraising—promising God wants believers to be happy and rich, while shifting responsibility for outcomes onto individuals.
Guest backgrounds
Anthea Butler (UPenn associate professor; author White Evangelical Racism). Kate Bowler (Duke historian; author Blessed: a History of the American Prosperity Gospel). Chris Lehman (author Money Cult).
Key claims
Prosperity gospel spread via 1970s–80s religious media; it “sanctifies the market” and treats market success as proof. Preachers’ wealth can still sustain giving because parishioners believe God’s rules guarantee blessings. The “abundant life” is often framed as cars/clothes/houses.
Notable examples
Televangelist “law of the seed” vow-of-faith pitches; 2008 Atlanta foreclosure/bank failures tied to church-influenced predatory balloon mortgages.
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Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VOThe Origins of Positive Thinking
0:53 to 4:10
Discover Norman Vincent Peale's influence on prosperity gospel and positive thinking.
“What I have in mind to do is to give a little discussion on this subject, how to make positive thinking work for you.”
Televangelism and Prosperity Gospel in America
4:17 to 4:57
Explore the rise of televangelism and the prosperity gospel in the 70s and 80s.
“Ever invest in something that seemed incredible at first, but didn't live up to the hype for marketers.”
Televangelism and Prosperity Gospel in America
5:36 to 5:48
Explore the rise of televangelism and the prosperity gospel in the 70s and 80s.
“Jim and Tammy Faye Baker, or, you know, Paul and Jan Crouch, come on and look a certain sort of way.”
The Interplay of Prosperity Gospel and Capitalism
5:48 to 14:00
Examine the connections between prosperity gospel, capitalism, and individual responsibility.
“And they were the ones that began to bring, you know, different kinds of preachers and things and introduce them to others.”
The Search for Certainty in Uncertain Times
14:00 to 15:21
Explore the quest for formulas and leadership figures during challenging economic climates.
“For people who are constantly on the cusp of losing everything, which we were reminded again in the pandemic, we're looking for the person with a formula.”
Transcript
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0:53Rund Abdelfatah:This is Norman Vincent Peale. What I have in mind to do is to give a little discussion on this subject, how to make positive thinking work for you. Norman Vincent Peale is a bit of a theological outlier. Like a lot of these modern spiritual entrepreneurs, he kind of slandered around a bit. Born at the end of the 19th century and comes into the 20th, he's beating all of these, you know, big automakers, oil people. So he's right there in the middle of this sort of capitalist kind of thing. What is positive thinking? When he writes his book, The Power of Positive Thinking, which you can still find probably in every used bookstore in the country.
1:41Rund Abdelfatah:He's like, if you think positively, you're going to get all of these things. Life can be wonderful. You want the moon? Just say the word and I'll throw a lasso around and pull it down. The book is really just a series of success mantras. You can if you think you can. Drawn from scripture. God bless you and bless you. God says it. I can have it. I believe it. That settles it. Get up every morning, look in the mirror, and repeat over and over again, you know, some variation of... You can. Whatever you can dream of. Think you can. Trust you can. Is the first secret key of success.
2:29Rund Abdelfatah:Norman Vincent Peale is very much a key apostle of prosperity gospel belief. A gospel he began to preach in the 1930s. A kind of spiritual psychology of success. At this point, it is all about the self and all about feeling good. Self-help is a series of spiritual beliefs that we can somehow become better because of the power of mind. Basically, the message of The Secret is the message that I've been trying to share with the world on my show for the past 21 years. The message is that you're really responsible for your life. If you're thinking, the prosperity gospel, self-help, what does that have to do with me?
3:11Consider this. Even if you've never stepped foot in a church or watched a single episode of Oprah. What?
3:18Rund Abdelfatah:Hold up, hold up. So much of our lives is shaped by the idea, the belief, that all you have to do to succeed is believe harder. And if you fall on hard times, well, better try harder. It's all on you after all. And listen, I'm not saying the founders were preaching the prosperity gospel. But I do think that from the very beginning, the right to the pursuit of happiness set up this goal of individual happiness. And that's where the prosperity gospel came in and filled the void by creating a roadmap to that happiness based around self-improvement, religion, and capitalism.
4:01Today on the show, we're going back to the heyday of the movement, to the 1970s and 80s, when the gospel was streaming into homes every day, to hear how millions of Americans got sold on the idea that God wants you to be happy and rich. That's coming up after a short break.
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5:41Rund Abdelfatah:Jim and Tammy Faye Baker, or, you know, Paul and Jan Crouch, come on and look a certain sort of way. And they were the ones that began to bring, you know, different kinds of preachers and things and introduce them to others. Anthea Butler is an associate professor at the University of Pennsylvania and author of White Evangelical Racism, Politics of Morality in America. These shows in the 70s and 80s were important conduits for, you know, the A, B, C, and D list of all of these prosperity gospel preachers. that would get a foothold in America. And that's the way that most people saw them. You might be up late at night.
6:27Rund Abdelfatah:I want to talk to you for a few moments about the law of the seed. And you see, you know, somebody preaching this message. And if you'll call during this telecast for you that support our ministry in any way. You need to make a vow of faith of a thousand dollars. Oh, Bob, couldn't you say 25? No! If you'll start now and get your seed of faith into the ground, it'll begin to grow and God begin to move. And you'd send them something and they'd send you something back. And then you'd get on the mailing list. It's actually much more dangerous than televangelism was the mailing list. If you can get that person to write to your ministry, you could harass them forever.
7:05Rund Abdelfatah:You know, it's like Hotel California. You can check out anytime you like, but you can never leave. You keep the money coming in. You keep people hooked. By the mid-1980s, the number of Americans watching religious television had skyrocketed to nearly 25 million. Prosperity gospel was everywhere. On TV, of course, but also in magazines, on billboards, and in self-help books. We can have a strong and prosperous America at peace with itself and the world. In so many ways, the story of the prosperity gospel follows the rise of a certain kind of capitalism. A kind of capitalism known as neoliberalism.
7:52Rund Abdelfatah:Government is not the solution to our problem. Government is the problem. The short version is that it's the idea that free markets are the solution to all of our problems. The focus, like with Prosperity Gospel, is on personal advancement. More is more. It asks each individual citizen slash buyer to absorb all the responsibilities for making its promises true. This is Kate Bowler. She's a historian at Duke University and author of Blessed, a History of the American Prosperity Gospel. The harder you work, the more that's meant to prove its own reward. If capitalism is unstable, it simply means that you need to adopt more flexible work hours, be willing to hustle at 2 a.m.
8:43Have you taken on a side project? Have you really managed to train? Chris Lehman is the author of Money Cult, and he describes this as, quote, sanctifying the market.
8:52Rund Abdelfatah:The market itself becomes this object of worship and the arbiter of life outcomes that is not to be questioned. As Margaret Thatcher famously said, there is no alternative. It's similar to the prosperity gospel in which when the system is meant to prove itself, it shifts the burden of responsibility away from, in this version, away from God and onto the person who has failed to demonstrate the abundant life. The abundant life. Fancy cars, expensive clothes, big houses. Things all prosperity gospel preachers make sure to flaunt. You need to show yourself in a certain kind of way so that people know that you're blessed and that in turn they can be blessed if they follow you.
9:38Rund Abdelfatah:Because obviously you've got God's word that will tell them how they need to get this prosperity in their lives too. To me, it's like God's plan for pulling yourself up by your bootstraps, right? It gives the illusion that everybody can get this and that, you know, that there is equality when there really isn't. It's very compelling to people who come from the immigrants to America because it folds right into this American exceptionalism and the American dream. I mean, one of the questions I get a lot is how much were the preachers, snake oil salesmen, and how much were they deeply sincere? And not just sincere, perhaps, but how much did they truly believe that what they were doing could transform other people's lives?
10:21Rund Abdelfatah:Kate Bowler, a practicing Christian herself and a historian, spent a decade going to services, getting to know parishioners and their prosperity gospel preachers, investigating the relationship between the two. I have met dozens and dozens and dozens of them, and I think the answer really varies. I have met people who are likely at this moment defrauding a widow in Florida, And I have met people who were really concrete and practical about how they imagined that this could very materially transform people's lives. I'm thinking of a church I went to, an inner city church. And the megachurch pastor who had a Rolex and a mansion and all that also simultaneously believed that all the things he was teaching his parishioners would be the reason why they get that job.
11:17and they are that partner that creates a stable family home. So in one version, you could say, well, it just robs people of their money, promises them things and can't possibly deliver. In other versions, we call it the redempt and lift effect, which is that when you stabilize people's lives, you encourage them to network, save, take care of their home life and are able to redeem and lift is what they describe.
11:44Rund Abdelfatah:And why do the parishioners, seeing how well off the preachers are, keep giving them money? Well, in the minds of parishioners, it doesn't matter if the preacher is sincere or not. What matters to them is whether God is good and God has set up the rules by which they too can have those good things. And so in that way, the preacher is its own show and tell, but doesn't inherently matter to the faith lives of the people in the pews. The sort of constant in American religion is this kind of anxiety about your destiny. And, you know, it reflects broader trends in a market dominated society. We're forced to believe in invisible causality in this economy.
12:31The stock market is now down 21 percent.
12:33Rund Abdelfatah:43 percent. All of the major technology sectors, Apple's under pressure, Yahoo down 8.5 percent. It was the worst day on Wall Street. And what all this says, though, is don't be afraid. God is good. Don't be afraid. You'll do your best. And on the other side of this, there may be ups and downs, but I am going to bring you to a better future. Nearly two trillion tax dollars have been shoveled into the hole that Wall Street dug. And people wonder, where's the bottom? It turns out. Oh, my gosh. Let's just say this is the moment where we're going to talk about prosperity gospel and the banking industry as, you know, in collusion with each other in certain kinds of ways.
13:14Rund Abdelfatah:So I want to tell a story. And that story is about 2008 and the belly up of everything in the financial markets and especially the foreclosure market. And one of the places where this happens, you know, in a huge way was Atlanta. Black people were told, you know, that they should buy homes. Predatory lenders gave, you know, these kind of balloon loans to people who were in churches. So in other words, you were encouraged by your, you know, televangelist pastor. You could just buy a home because, you know, here we've got this loan officer here today is going to talk to you and God's going to bless you with the house.
13:52And then all these people went belly up in 2008 and lost their homes. For people who are constantly on the cusp of losing everything, which we were reminded again in the pandemic, we're looking for the person with a formula. For some, that person might be a Tony Robbins or an Oprah. For others, like me, it's the business minds of Shark Tank.
14:21Rund Abdelfatah:They're self-made business experts worth billions. And still others turn to preachers or politicians who seem to have it all figured out. You know, I said the other day, because so many people, they carry around the art of the deal because they're begging, they're begging their politicians, please, please read the art of the deal when you negotiate with China and with Japan and with Mexico and with Vietnam. And I think this is crucial for right now. It flows into a kind of Christian nationalism. It means that God is especially favoring, you know, the nation. as a special place. And so the people who live in it, who follow after this particular kind of thing, are going to be more blessed than anybody else in the world.
15:07I think people crave, even if they might hate it, they crave a gospel where the responsibility always falls back on them. Because it's always the one thing we can control, is ourselves. So if you preach an empowered individualism, you've got a gospel you can believe in. which is always us.
15:41That's it for this week's show. If you want to hear the full story about the prosperity gospel, check out the full-length episode, God Wants You to Be Rich. And join us next week when we take a deeper look at the Constitution, the rights it includes, and those it does not. So I guess when I think of that phrase, like the Constitution doesn't tell you all the rights that you have because it doesn't know, it's both like, well, that's wonderful. The Constitution sort of acknowledges that it doesn't know right there in the Ninth Amendment, right? It acknowledges that it's something that can grow and change.
16:13But it also points to the fact that the Constitution not only left a lot of people out, but actively committed crimes against people. That's next week. Don't miss it. This episode was produced by Kiana Moghadam and edited by Christina Kim and Julia Redpath with help from the ThruLine production team. Music by Ramtin Adablui and his band, Drop Electric. Special thanks to Julie Kane, Irene Noguchi, Beth Donovan, Casey Miner, and Lindsay McKenna. I'm Randa Abdel Fattah. Thanks for listening.
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