Why is Cuba in crisis?

10:21Maria De Los Angeles Torres:Fidel does ultimately ride a wave of unconditional support for the revolution in 1959 to 1960. And he takes full advantage of that.

10:34Lillian Guerra:But then…

10:35Maria De Los Angeles Torres:Things begin to happen that nobody expected.

10:39Lillian Guerra:The Castro government started to dismantle the free press.

10:42Maria De Los Angeles Torres:Between January and May of 1960, this extremely, you know, lively, vibrant press, which included national television stations, which included dozens and dozens of radio stations and newspapers, you know, that all got nationalized.

11:02Lillian Guerra:Many people in Cuba, especially the wealthy and middle classes, were not happy with the changes Castro was enacting.

11:09Maria De Los Angeles Torres:Even in the worst moments of dictatorship prior to 1959, the press played a heroic role. There were always journalists who were willing to report on what was really happening, and they paid a very high price, and Cubans were very aware of that.

11:27Lillian Guerra:The dream of a more democratic, free Cuba was quickly proving to be just that, a dream. After the revolution, hundreds of thousands of Cubans left the island, many of them bound for the U.S.

11:41Eloy Viera:And the U.S. received fleeing Cubans with open arms because the U.S. was anxiously watching Cuba and it hoped by supporting the exodus of Cubans leaving the island, it would destabilize Fidel Castro's government. How quickly within Cuba did people realize everything has changed

12:02Lillian Guerra:and how quickly outside of Cuba did the U.S. realize they have now an enemy in Cuba.

12:09Maria De Los Angeles Torres:Well, the Eisenhower administration pretty much from the get-go saw Fidel Castro and the revolutionary movement with hostile eyes.

12:19Eloy Viera:Many members of the Eisenhower administration were suspicious of what Castro wasn't saying out loud. It was the Cold War, and they feared he was a communist. The U.S.

12:30Maria De Los Angeles Torres:position under Eisenhower is about containment at first, toleration at first. What nobody expected is that August of 1960, Fidel is going to come out with a week of national jubilation and nationalize all foreign-owned businesses on the island.

12:47Eloy Viera:Before the revolution, U.S. companies owned or controlled 90 % of Cuba's electrical grid, telephone system, and mines. And they had a large stake in sugar plantations and oil refineries. Now, all these industries belong to the Cuban government. U.S. companies lost$1.9 billion in investment.

13:10Lillian Guerra:Castro defended his actions at the United Nations General Assembly. He called out the U.S. for being an imperial force that exerted too much power on Cuba and other U.N. countries.

13:22Maria De Los Angeles Torres:What nobody expected is that two months later he's going to decree the nationalization of all medium and large-scale businesses that are domestically owned.

13:33Eloy Viera:Meaning Castro's government wasn't just seizing foreign-owned companies, which many Cubans supported. It was also taking over Cuban-owned companies.

13:42Maria De Los Angeles Torres:By December of 1960, without ever having said, I'm a communist, or even revealing the degree to which he has integrated communist party members to his state, the government is communist in all but name, and it controls 80 % of the economy, 80 % of the economy.

14:00Eloy Viera:The U.S. was not liking what it was seeing in Cuba, and tensions between the two countries began to escalate in a heated back and forth. First, the CIA started training a special military force of Cuban exiles to invade the island and topple the communist government. The 1961 invasion, known as the Bay of Pigs, was a huge failure for the U.S. Then, Fidel Castro shot back with a speech where he

14:27Maria De Los Angeles Torres:declares that the revolution is socialist. And so, you know, at that point, the deal is done.

14:36Lillian Guerra:Cuba was now a communist country, one that sat only 90 miles away from the U.S. And after the Bay of Pigs, as the Soviet Union solidified its support and defense of Cuba, the U.S. decided the threat was too close. In 1962, the U.S. ramped up the pressure again, with an embargo on all trade between the U.S. and Cuba.

14:59Maria De Los Angeles Torres:It's a disaster from day one for Cubans because so much of the food that they ate, the spare parts that were needed in factories, the clothing that they bought, you know, the products that they had become accustomed to consuming, like Coca-Cola, all of those things are going to stop. And for a time, the Cuban people, I think, believed that this might be temporary.

15:27Lillian Guerra:Most Cubans living inside the country still supported Castro at this point.

15:32Maria De Los Angeles Torres:So there is a willingness on the part of the Cuban people to ride out the early part of the embargo. And there also seems to be a solution, which is maybe we can manufacture these things ourselves. Maybe this is what revolution meant, that we should be able to be self-sufficient. My fellow citizens, let no one doubt that this is a difficult and dangerous effort on which we have set out.

15:58Lillian Guerra:In October 1962, the back and forth between Cuba and the U.S. came to a head when the U.S. learned that the Soviet Union had stationed nuclear ballistic missiles in Cuba.

16:12Maria De Los Angeles Torres:No one can foresee precisely what course it will take or what course or casualties will be incurred.

16:20Lillian Guerra:The U.S. created a naval blockade around Cuba to stop more Soviet weapons from getting in. The situation was tense. Nuclear war felt imminent.

16:35Eloy Viera:In the end, the USSR and the USA struck a deal. No more nukes in Cuba on the condition that the U.S. doesn't invade the island. The U.S.

16:45Lillian Guerra:embargo, however, continues to this day. A version of the 1962 embargo, or bloqueo, blockade as some Cubans call it, is still in place. Its aim was to destabilize the Castro government by sowing, quote, hardship and disenchantment among the Cuban people.

17:04Eloy Viera:To stay afloat, Cuba continued to rely on the Soviet Union and the Eastern Bloc. The USSR was Cuba's main trade partner.

17:12Lillian Guerra:But in spite of attempts to build a more self-sufficient island, and even with the new influx of Soviet trade, Cuba's economy faltered, and rations became a permanent feature of life.

17:25Maria De Los Angeles Torres:There is a certain degree of crony capitalism that reasserts itself in the form of crony communism. People called it sociolismo. Sociolismo instead of socialismo.

17:38Eloy Viera:It's a play on words. Socio, meaning buddy or good friend in Cuban slang. So they were saying sociolismo, meaning you're taking care of your friends rather than true socialism.

17:50Maria De Los Angeles Torres:And there is a certain degree to which your buddy, if you're all a bunch of loyalists, You know, whoever is your buddy who controls access to the rations or the ration distribution center will ensure that people get half the amount of dried milk they're supposed to have so that he can sell the rest of it under the table. And that black market economy very quickly becomes a standard bearer of the communist regime.

18:15Eloy Viera:For some people, like this upper echelon of communists with connections, life was pretty good. But for most Cubans, life was far from easy.

18:24Maria De Los Angeles Torres:Fidel has made a disaster of the economy, and we had negative rates of growth. Fidel decides to nationalize all the remaining small businesses on the island, leaving nothing to serve as a substitute. So suddenly it's a crime to hire a plumber. You have to do it through the state, and the state doesn't have an agency that contracts out plumbers. You know, all of these activities, these little small businesses, even the production of many goods that had replaced imports, like there were factories that emerged because of the embargo in the 1960s that produced things like iron beds or produced those spare parts that could no longer be imported.

19:06Eloy Viera:And according to Lilian Guerra, the Castro government also doubled down on measures to quell potential dissent, like the...

19:13Maria De Los Angeles Torres:Committees for the Defense of the Revolution as a mass organization of people who are spying on one another. And their role, as Fidel put it officially, was to be tapabocas, which means mouth shutters. They are supposed to, if you're standing in line for a ration and you're complaining about the quality or the fact that they don't have half of the mouth that you're due, they're supposed to come out and tell you to shut up and that you're a counter-revolutionary and a gusano. And they're supposed to take your name down. And this is very effective.

19:44Lillian Guerra:This turn toward authoritarian tactics was not popular with everyone in Cuba. Now it wasn't just the press that couldn't be critical of the government. It was everyone.

19:55Maria De Los Angeles Torres:From 62 to 65, there's the rise of tremendous discontent on the island in the general population.

20:02Lillian Guerra:And to combat this, the Cuban government decided to invest in Cuba's youth, who they deemed as loyal in the future of communist Cuba.

20:11Eloy Viera:The government expanded the school system, bringing education to peasant girls who would otherwise have been left behind. These schools were considered a revolutionary win in the effort to bring more equality to the Cuban people. But according to Lilian Guerra.

20:26Maria De Los Angeles Torres:The state has captured the attention of the youth and has increasingly told them that their parents are the way of the past, that they're going to be the new men in socialism. And so they need to ignore, you know, what their parents might think or say. They need to leave behind the culture of Catholicism and reject foreign influence.

20:49Lillian Guerra:In some ways, this youthful disdain for the old guard in Cuba echoed the youth movements rocking the U.S. and other parts of the world at the time.

20:57Eloy Viera:It's kind of like the vibe of Bob Dylan's The Times Are a-Changing. Your sons and daughters are beyond your command.

21:04Lillian Guerra:But Castro's government started to put some strict parameters on what being a good revolutionary Cuban youth looked like. The Cuban communist state carries out a process of criminalizing behaviors that they label as ideologically diversionary.

21:20Maria De Los Angeles Torres:Those behaviors include listening to the Beatles. They include wearing jeans. They include being gay or being a person who tolerates gayness. They include liking abstract art. There are all of these things that are kind of considered to be politically criminal or that contaminate the collective consciousness and dilute their people's commitment to Marxist revolution.

21:47Eloy Viera:As the economy continued to struggle, morale in Cuba was low. In 1970, Fidel Castro tried to turn it around. He announced that the country was going to have a 10 million ton sugar harvest, la zafra de los 10 millones. And this harvest was going to jumpstart the economy and finally allow Cuba to be economically independent.

22:10Maria De Los Angeles Torres:You have doctors, you have teachers.

22:12Eloy Viera:Everybody who could possibly cut sugarcane was mobilized. It was supposed to show that the Cuban people could produce for themselves.

22:19Maria De Los Angeles Torres:And in the end, it fails.

22:21Eloy Viera:They came up short of their goal of 10 million tons. It was still the largest sugar harvest in Cuba's history, but it came at a price. In order to make this big harvest happen, the government let other parts of the economy fall apart.

22:40Maria De Los Angeles Torres:By 1971, people are so angry at what has happened at the state, at the way in which the economy has been devastated by this project, that at any one time in the year of 1971, 20 % of the workforce doesn't even show up to work.

22:57Lillian Guerra:Some Cubans call Castro and his government's economic and social policies the internal blockade. The U.S. was blocking trade, but the Cuban government was taking away Cubans' economic autonomy and making them reliant on the government, all while squashing dissent. This second embargo was not just an embargo of material things, but of ideas.

23:22Eloy Viera:By the 1970s, hundreds of thousands of Cubans had left the island for the U.S. And Cuba, having failed to take off independently, became more and more entrenched with the Soviet Union.

23:37Lillian Guerra:Coming up, the Soviet Union falls. And the world watches to see if Cuba will be next.

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24:37Lillian Guerra:Part 2. The Special Period.

24:41Eloy Viera:In 1991, the world order as it had been for decades collapsed.

24:47Lillian Guerra:The gradual deterioration and final collapse of the Soviet Union has hit other socialist nations like the aftershocks of an earthquake.

24:55Eloy Viera:Perhaps none has been hit so hard as Cuba. There's this tremendous sense of crisis in Cuba now. After the fall of the Soviet Union, Cuba entered what its leader, Fidel Castro, coined the special period in the time of peace. That term came loaded with irony for everyday Cubans, because for them, this period was anything but peaceful. For decades, the Soviet Union had been sending oil, food, and machinery to Cuba. And the entire economy was subsidized by Soviet money.

25:26Maria De Los Angeles Torres:The public health sector was utterly dependent on Soviet aid. The school system was dependent on Soviet aid, infrastructure. You couldn't pick up garbage without the oil to put in your trucks. You know, all this stuff from the Soviet Union, not only is it unavailable and unimportable, it actually ceases to be produced.

25:46Eloy Viera:And they lived a period of several years of dire, dire economic needs. This is Maria de los Ángeles Torres. Born in Cuba, she's a professor of Latin American and Latino studies at the University of Illinois in Chicago and has written extensively about the history of U.S.-Cuba relations.

26:08Lillian Guerra:Cuban people experienced widespread energy and fuel shortages. The government instituted strict food rations. Hunger increased. The staple foods from the Soviet Union that people had relied on for decades disappeared. disappeared. Blackouts lasted up to 20 hours a day.

26:27Eloy Viera:And people would be coming out and cooking together because they didn't have the fuel for each household to be able to have their own kitchens.

26:35Lillian Guerra:Desperation peaked in 1994 when 35 ,000 Cubans took to the open sea on homemade rafts, risking death to make the 90-mile journey to the U.S.

26:51Eloy Viera:The Cuban government in response had to change out of necessity. It had to open up the economy to more capitalist market forces as a matter of survival. It started legalizing some small private businesses, and it also encouraged the development of foreign investment and the tourism industry.

27:09Maria De Los Angeles Torres:That in particular was pretty hard to stomach.

27:12Lillian Guerra:This is history professor Lillian Guerra again.

27:15Maria De Los Angeles Torres:So much of the revolution's mythology created by Fidel Castro and enforced by the Communist Party rested on the idea that tourism was bad, that foreign investors were the bane of communism. And in fact, you get the very thing that Fidel spent the 90s and the 80s criticizing.

27:35Lillian Guerra:The government began to encourage foreign businesses to set up shop in Cuba and take advantage of the cheap labor Cubans provided those investors.

27:44Maria De Los Angeles Torres:And the company is paying the Cuban government, not the workers directly, more than in fact the worker will receive. Let's say that the Cuban government is receiving for every one of its workers a monthly paycheck of$500. Well, the Cuban is actually only getting$50, and the government gets to keep the rest. And so the Cuban who works in that assembly plant has to be grateful because he has more than the average Cuban. And he gets a bag of goods that nobody has, like deodorant, really nice shampoo, detergent, you know, basic products that are no longer available on the ration or in the national currency that are manufactured abroad, imported.

28:27Lillian Guerra:The Cuban government needs to fill the void left behind by the collapse of Soviet aid. And it begins to turn to other countries, like Venezuela.

28:36Maria De Los Angeles Torres:So Hugo Chavez really creates a relationship with Fidel that's based on the Cuban state, contracting doctors and other professionals.

28:47Lillian Guerra:Under Castro, Cuba had a robust education system, which allowed them to train professionals like doctors to send abroad. Venezuela wasn't the only place this so-called white coat army went. Doctors were sent to Guatemala, Brazil, Honduras, Haiti, and more.

29:05Eloy Viera:In exchange for doctors, Venezuela sent Cuba 100 ,000 barrels of oil a day. In addition to oil, Cuba also got money. Some studies estimate that leasing skilled professionals to foreign countries brought in billions of dollars a year to Cuba. Then the question is what happens with that money, okay? Is it reinvested or not? There's been investments in hotels and in infrastructure around hotels. But Torres says the government didn't invest in other infrastructure like the energy grid or road repairs. All of a sudden there's blackouts. You cannot drive, OK, in certain streets because the potholes are huge.

29:51Eloy Viera:So there is a question of what was happening to the money that was being generated. An extreme economic crisis, hunger, crumbling infrastructure. A government response that goes against the communist ideals Castro preached for decades and ends up enriching the government more than the Cuban people. This is the situation Cuban people find themselves in at the turn of the century.

30:17Maria De Los Angeles Torres:You cannot escape the outrage that Cubans felt. They also were outraged by the fact that the Cuban state, whenever something would come up that was obvious, visible evidence of its own mismanagement or its own hypocrisy, they would blame the special period or they'd blame the U.S. embargo. And so citizens had this incredible sort of, you know, memory checklist. And it was it was one thing after the other that Cubans complained about. The number of grievances were miles long. There were countless grievances.

30:54Eloy Viera:That sparked changes outside of Cuba, too, and in Cubans' relationship to the outside world, particularly with the U.S. People's discontent with the government had also led many to seek new lives elsewhere. In the U.S., a new diaspora of Cuban-Americans started to grow and change. there was more of an outflow of people leaving Cuba. And that started changing the configuration of the community. The politics is a whole different ballgame, but the effective relationships that people had to their relatives was much closer. If you think about at least my wave of immigrants, the beginnings of the 1960s, we spent 20 years without seeing our relatives.

31:43Eloy Viera:whereas people who were leaving in the 90s, they did not have that waiting period, all right? Family members in the U.S. would send money back to Cuba, or supplies. These relatives were playing an important role in the Cuban economy. Cuba was aware of the remittances and was aware of the power of how much money people could send back. So the remittances become very important during this period of time. That was a sea change of attitude, I think, here in Miami and in other places where there were Cuban exiles, because people felt that they could then really have a relationship with their relatives that didn't have to go through the government.

32:30Eloy Viera:You could support your relatives, but that didn't mean you were supportive of government. And so that is another way that I think that Cuba survives during that period. That effective tie allows for a, if you will, a Cuba beyond borders of the political to kind of exist. It was a new kind of relationship that also changed how people inside Cuba felt about the people who had left. They saw their families as supporters. And they saw their friends who left as people who were, you know, trying to better their lives, not being traitors to the revolution. And they do lose confidence in their government because it's not their government who's taking care of them anymore.

33:22Eloy Viera:It's their relatives. Despite the discontent and the economic challenges, the communist government still survived. And as the economic storm of the special period started to clear, the government would even reverse course. It tightened down the economic controls once again, like scaling back opportunities for private businesses. It's almost like liberalization is a last resort. And it is only when it is like they're up against the wall that they sort of say, okay, let's do this. And as soon as it is resolved, then they go back to the old ways of doing things. In those 90s, there were debates within the government.

34:03Eloy Viera:Again, I don't think it's a monolithic government. I think there are factions in that government that have different points of views. There were those who argued for liberalization. I think that the ones who argued for repression end up winning.

34:23Eloy Viera:When I look at the situation today, I think that if Cuba had gone a different direction with the collapse of the Soviet Union in 1991, they would not find themselves in the situation that they are today. I think they opted for maintaining a centralized economy and one that is very rigid and not very productive because they were afraid of political change. So they find themselves with a very unproductive economic system and one that tends to rely on other countries. it's almost like I think they have reached the cliff's end here. Coming up, Cuba on its way to the edge of the cliff.

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36:46Lillian Guerra:Part 3. The Cuban Thaw.

36:50Eloy Viera:An announcement that Fidel Castro's opponents have been awaiting for years came in the middle of the night.

36:55Maria De Los Angeles Torres:In a letter published in the Communist Party newspaper,

36:58Lillian Guerra:Castro said he's no longer physically able to lead Cuba. In 2008, 81-year-old Fidel Castro officially stepped down as president, handing power to his brother, Raul.

37:11Eloy Viera:That's not necessarily a transition. Giving Raul the reins of power is precisely symbolic of the political crisis that Cuba has lived since the revolution, And that is, it has not allowed for a renovation of political leadership.

37:29Lillian Guerra:This is Maria de los Angeles Torres. She's a professor of Latin American and Latino Studies at the University of Illinois in Chicago.

37:38Eloy Viera:Fidel was a central figure for many people. People who were not necessarily ideological felt a certain affinity to him. even if they were living in disaster. I think Raul does not have that kind of relationship with people. And clearly the military personnel that has been put in charge of the various components of the government does not have that repertoire at all. And so it has made it easier for people to be more critical of the government.

38:16Lillian Guerra:As Raul Castro took power, just across the Atlantic Ocean, another leader stepped into office, U.S. President Barack Obama. Throughout his two terms, Obama pursued what was dubbed the Cuban Thaw, the start of a new chapter between the two countries, resuming the kind of diplomatic relations that hadn't been seen in more than 50 years. He started with relaxing travel and trade restrictions. Then he became the first U.S. president to visit Cuba since 1928. And he called on Congress repeatedly to lift the U.S. embargo on Cuba. I have to say that Obama was like a refreshment, like a hope for many people in Cuba.

39:05Lillian Guerra:Eloy Vieira is a journalist at El Toque, currently living in exile in Canada. But he was born in Cuba, and he lived there during Obama's presidency.

39:15Maria De Los Angeles Torres:If we talk about information, for example, Obama was a change in that perspective because after Obama visit, the government decided to allow Cuban people to have internet in their phones.

39:28Lillian Guerra:In 2015, President Obama allowed U.S. businesses to invest in Cuba's telecommunications sector and build internet infrastructure to connect Cuba to the world. The government also opened hotspots to the public.

39:44Eloy Viera:But when Eloy was growing up, Cuba didn't have public internet. The island didn't get connected until 1996. And for nearly two decades after that, web access was slow and spotty. It was also expensive to get and tightly monitored by the government.

39:58Lillian Guerra:People still couldn't access the internet in their homes, only in public spaces regulated by the state, like cyber cafes or parks.

40:07Maria De Los Angeles Torres:One of the main things that I remember from Cuba at that point is that in a big park, in a public space, many people screaming to their phones, trying to talk with their relatives, with their friends in other parts of the world. But you have someone sitting beside you, another sitting next to you. So they were sharing sometimes even intimacy.

40:35Lillian Guerra:Yeah, yeah.

40:36Maria De Los Angeles Torres:But that's where the Wi-Fi was, right?

40:39Lillian Guerra:Exactly.

40:39Maria De Los Angeles Torres:But it was funny, but it also expressed that hunger of the people to get not just connected, but to feel part of the world. They were living like in a bubble for years.

40:52Eloy Viera:A dual internet developed in Cuba. For those who could afford it, there was access to the World Wide Web. For most Cubans, there was access to Cuba's tightly controlled and censored intranet.

41:04Maria De Los Angeles Torres:Internet has become like a tool for many, many people in Cuba who have used the social networks as a way to create synergies between them, to create strategies between them, and to talk about the Cuban problems on the Internet. And the access to Internet, it changed that mentality, the way of the people in Cuba sold the rest of the world.

41:34Eloy Viera:But in the meantime, the thawing relations between Cuba and the U.S. had frozen over once again.

41:41Maria De Los Angeles Torres:Everything reversed course in 2016 with the election of Trump and then the subsequent reversal of policy on the part of his administration. You know, the hardliners in Cuba were re-empowered.

41:53Eloy Viera:Again, this is Lillian Guerra, history professor at the University of Florida.

41:58Maria De Los Angeles Torres:They took the reins back. I think that the end, the closure of the Obama era, it was like a hit of reality saying you have been living a fiction for these two years.

42:12Lillian Guerra:What did that feel like to go from having this kind of glimpse of maybe a little bit more openness, more freedom of expression, more information to then what began to unfold in the years after 2016?

42:28Maria De Los Angeles Torres:I have to say that it was one of the main or worst frustrations of my generation.

42:37Eloy Viera:Travel restrictions were back. The money from U.S. tourism and investment from U.S. companies dried up. And the Cuban economy took a downturn.

42:46Maria De Los Angeles Torres:The regime wanted that you believe that something was possible under their control. And for my generation, this generation that started to make activism, journalism, at that moment, it was a huge frustration.

43:06Eloy Viera:The last decade in Cuba has been characterized by worsening economic desperation, and the pandemic didn't help. In 2021, Cubans took to the streets in a massive display of frustration and grievance with the government.

43:23Lillian Guerra:Cuba is one of the most tightly controlled countries in the world, which is why yesterday's demonstrations were astonishing.

43:29Maria De Los Angeles Torres:They were asking first for food, medicine and vaccines, but their loudest cries were really calls to end the communist regime, to end the dictatorship.

43:44Lillian Guerra:And they were met with a brutal crackdown. Police detained around 1 ,000 people, hundreds of whom are still in prison today. The conditions that fueled the 2021 protests have only worsened since then. And that brings us back to the start of this year, when a dire situation transformed into a full-blown crisis, as Cuba's oil supply from Venezuela was cut off for weeks. Cuba has been short of food and clean water, suffering from intense power blackouts, and facing its worst economic crisis in 67 years.

44:22Eloy Viera:I think that Cuba has found that it has really very, I would say, actually almost no options in terms of its ability to develop any kind of economic relations with countries that can help sustain the military and power in Cuba, and specifically petroleum and other goods.

44:47Lillian Guerra:One thing that has been sort of debated or talked about a lot that I've been seeing in the coverage is how to interpret this moment, whether it's more the responsibility of the Cuban regime and its mistreatment of the Cuban people for so long, or the U.S. embargo that is more of the cause for the current crisis.

45:12Maria De Los Angeles Torres:The either-or dynamic, it's either utterly the fault of the United States embargo or it's the fault of the Cuban communist government. That's a very comfortable paradigm for both the Cuban government as well as its detractors.

45:29Eloy Viera:I think that the argument that it's only the embargo is actually a very U.S.-centric perspective. because the corollary to that is that if it's the embargo, then the only thing that can save Cuban people is taking away the embargo. While obviously the United States is a huge factor in Cuban politics and has always been, I don't think it's the only factor. I think Cubans have in their hands the ability to, despite the embargo, make choices about how they deal with, you know, the economy, how they organize their politics, how they trade with other countries, how they deal with their own citizens.

46:10Maria De Los Angeles Torres:The communist state relies on the total economic dependency of the population. You don't have any economic autonomy, nor do you have political or social autonomy from the state. And ostensibly, this is all for, you know, the general good, but effectively, it has been for the general impoverishment. Cubans are more equally poor than they are equally rich. And you have an economic elite, which is the Cuban communist government, very top echelon that live like kings.

46:43Eloy Viera:The embargo has actually created a series of cottage industries that have actually allowed the Cuban military to create lots of small and big businesses around the embargo that they have become a factor in not wanting the embargo lifted. These are not hard earned dollars. These are public monies. And I think that that is the difference. And that is where the critical perspective comes.

47:26Maria De Los Angeles Torres:So I don't know if the regime is going to fall. But what I'm really sure is that in 2026, something is going to happen with the regime. even in this moment when they feel or they seem being weak they are not weak they keep the control inside the island they keep the narrative because even when the people have access to internet they control they filter internet they keep repressing people who express themselves on the social networks. I think that the situation here is going to be determined by the reaction of the Cuban people. So everything is in the hands of the Cuban. If the regime crumbled, it's just because a lot of Cubans went out to the streets, they keep in the streets, and they start a new revolution.

48:58Lillian Guerra:Transcription by CastingWords

49:00Eloy Viera:And me and...

49:13Lillian Guerra:Fact-checking for this episode was done by Kevin Voeckel.

49:16Eloy Viera:Also, thank you to Johannes Dergi, Dylan Kurtz, Rebecca Ferrer, Beth Donovan, and Tommy Evans.

49:30Lillian Guerra:This episode was mixed by Jimmy Keighley. Music for this episode was composed by Ramtin and his band, Drop Electric, which includes...

49:42Lillian Guerra:And finally,

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