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Times Radio News Briefing

23 Apr 2026 · 3m · 5 chapters

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Afternoon briefing Thursday 23rd April

In short

UK politics and migration, border security funding, ECHR reform, and a Russia-war update; plus brief business/tech and ads.

Guests

Kat Little (former Foreign Office chief Olly Robbins’ evidence referenced; she gave evidence to MPs on Peter Mandelson’s vetting and due process). Alex Norris (border security minister interviewed by Times Radio on the France small boats funding deal). Alain Berset (Council of Europe secretary-general on whether changing/scrapping the ECHR is needed). Prince Harry (speaking in Kiev at a security conference). Key claims/examples: Mandelson vetting followed UKSV recommendation then Foreign Office decision; opposition alleges Starmer misled Parliament by announcing Maddelson before vetting. France deal: £500m for 1,000 officers plus £160m contingent on “new tactics” success, but metrics won’t be detailed. Borrowing fell to a four-year low; £100bn tax revenues. Berset says reshaping/withdrawal is possible but “beside the point” for migration.

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Chapters

0:38

Peter Mandelson's Vetting Process

Discussion on the vetting process for Peter Mandelson, as stated by Kat Little.

“The top civil servant in the Cabinet Office has said the correct procedure was followed in Peter Mandelson's vetting.”
1:12

Opposition Parties Demand Investigation

Opposition parties call for an investigation into the Prime Minister regarding Mandelson's appointment.

“She refused to say though whether due process was followed when Sir Keir Starmer went against advice and announced Lord Maddelson as ambassador to Washington before he was vetted.”
1:30

Funding for Small Boats Deal with France

Details on funding for a deal with France regarding small boats and border security.

“The untruths, you can't stand up and openly say that all the necessary procedures were followed and that Mandelson had been cleared, when clearly that's not the case at all.”
2:15

Political Reactions to Migration Policy

Reactions from various political figures regarding migration policies and the ECHR.

“But Alex Norris says he can't announce how that success will actually be measured.”
2:52

Prince Harry's Visit to Ukraine

Prince Harry's unannounced trip to Ukraine and his focus on the conflict with Russia.

“The head of the Council of Europe, which is responsible for the European Convention on Human Rights, has told Times Radio changing the convention is beside the point when it comes to tackling migration.”
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0:00This episode of the Times Radio News Briefing is sponsored by PwCWC. Staying competitive means getting ahead, not just keeping up. So how do business leaders cut through the noise and focus on what really matters. PwC takes you further with tech, from optimising the systems that put your data to work, to scaling AI from proof of concept to competitive edge. PwC helps you meet tomorrow's tech demands so you can compete at a speed that rewrites the rules. Discover more at pwc.co.uk. This is the Times Radio afternoon briefing on Thursday the 23rd of April. The top civil servant in the Cabinet Office has said the correct procedure was followed in Peter Mandelson's vetting.

0:44My view is that due process was followed. And if I might explain why I believe that, it is because the process, as I've outlined to the committee, is that UKSV make a recommendation and the Foreign Office make a decision as to whether to grant DV. That is the process and that is the process that is agreed with the Foreign Office. Kat Little is giving evidence to MPs after the former Foreign Office Chiefs Olly Robbins did the same. She refused to say though whether due process was followed when Sir Keir Starmer went against advice and announced Lord Maddelson as ambassador to Washington before he was vetted.

1:21Opposition parties want the Prime Minister investigated by the same committee which ended Boris Johnson's parliamentary career. The Reform UK leader Nigel Farage thinks he's misled Parliament. The untruths, you can't stand up and openly say that all the necessary procedures were followed and that Mandelson had been cleared, when clearly that's not the case at all. And my view is that he did mislead Parliament and he's lied to the country. And I think people can see it. Zakir Starmer insists the evidence given to MPs by Ollie Robbins has cleared him of that accusation. The border security minister has told Times Radio funding in a small boats deal with France will not be conditional on French police reducing crossings to a certain target.

2:04The deal will give half a billion pounds to the French government to fund a thousand officers along the coast and then another 160 million pounds is available if the new tactics are successful. But Alex Norris says he can't announce how that success will actually be measured. You know, these are new and novel products that we're not going to be advertising to the human traffickers as to what they look like. Each one of them will carry metrics as to whether or not they're succeeding and driving the change we want. If they are, we will carry them on. If they aren't, we will discontinue them. But I can't give you that kind of blow-by-blow account of that.

2:36The Conservatives argue it's a deal with no conditions. Borrowing fell to a four-year low in March thanks to a sharp decline in spending on debt interest. The government also brought in£100bn in tax revenues, up£5.4bn on last year. The head of the Council of Europe, which is responsible for the European Convention on Human Rights, has told Times Radio changing the convention is beside the point when it comes to tackling migration. The government has joined other European countries in calling for the ECHR to be adapted to reduce the legal challenges to deportation, and opposition parties like the Conservatives and Reform UK want it scrapped entirely.

3:13But the Secretary-General, Alain Berset, says that isn't necessary. We can reshape the convention, we can abandon the convention, it is possible to withdraw the convention, you decide. My point is to tell you clearly, this is not the point. This is not the point. And Prince Harry is in Kiev making an unannounced trip to Ukraine. He's speaking at a security conference, warning people not to lose focus on Russia's invasion. Don't forget you can subscribe to the Times Radio News Briefing on Spotify or listen live to Times Radio Online.

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