The Birth Keepers: Building an empire – episode four

1 Jan 2026 · 43 min · 19 chapters

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Podcast Summary: The Birth Keepers - Building an Empire (Episode 4)

Podcast Information

  • Title: Today in Focus
  • Episode Title: The Birth Keepers: Building an Empire – Episode Four
  • Hosts: Shirin Kale & Lucy Osborne
  • Description: This episode explores the transformation of the Free Birth Society (FBS) into a multimillion-dollar business following the tragic death of Lorren’s baby, Journey Moon, and the subsequent backlash against the organization.

Key Themes and Concepts

Transformation of Free Birth Society

  • Private Membership Network Launch:
  • Initiated by Emilee Saldaya post-tragedy.
  • Aimed to create a safe online space for discussions on pregnancy and birth.
  • Business Growth:
  • The FBS expanded into a lucrative business model, introducing multiple revenue streams, including:
  • Private membership priced at $499.
  • Video courses, including “The Complete Guide to Free Birth” for $399.
  • Additional offerings like retreats, coaching sessions, and a magazine.

Community and Influence

  • COVID-19 Impact:
  • The pandemic spurred membership growth as women sought connections and community online.
  • Authentic Midwifery School:
  • Emily and Yolanda launched the Radical Birth Keeper School, training individuals as “authentic midwives” in three months via online platforms, despite not being licensed midwives themselves.

Controversial Practices

  • Misinformation on Birth Emergencies:
  • The FBS downplayed emergencies during birth, labeling complications as "variations of normal."
  • Experts critiqued FBS materials as containing dangerous misinformation that could lead to life-threatening situations.
  • Financial Practices:
  • Keely Sullivan, a former RBK, recounted the unsettling practice of accepting cash gifts post-birth rather than formal payments, designed to avoid legal repercussions.

Cultural and Ethical Implications

  • Community Dynamics:
  • Women who joined FBS often felt empowered initially but later experienced disillusionment as negative behaviors from Emily surfaced.
  • Emily's leadership style was described as controlling and dismissive, leading to a toxic atmosphere.
  • The Matriarch Rising Festival:
  • A five-day women-only festival was established in 2021, reflecting Emily's vision, but also raising questions about the commercialization of the movement.

Rising Criticism and Consequences

  • Student Experiences:
  • Concerns grew among students about the quality and safety of the training provided by FBS.
  • Instances of fatal outcomes, including a mother who lost her baby due to delayed medical intervention, sparked outrage and led to the formation of a Reddit community aimed at exposing FBS practices.
  • Legal and Ethical Challenges:
  • Complaints were filed against FBS for deceptive marketing practices, but the organization maintained its stance that it was not responsible for individual choices made by its members.

Conclusion The fourth episode of "The Birth Keepers" delves into the intricate balance between empowerment and potential harm within the Free Birth Society, revealing how a community intended to support women in childbirth evolved into a controversial business model. The episode underscores the importance of accurate information in maternal health and the ethical responsibilities of those providing education and support.

For further insights and to support independent journalism, visit [The Guardian](https://www.theguardian.com/infocus).

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Chapters

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Free Birth Society's New Membership

0:45 to 2:36

Exploring the launch of a private membership network for the Free Birth Society.

“I have a very exciting announcement to make.”

Growth of the FBS Business

2:36 to 4:50

Details on how the Free Birth Society expanded its offerings and revenue streams.

“So when she heard about the FBS private membership filling up with hundreds of newly pregnant women, she thought, hey, maybe this could be an opportunity for me.”

Radical Birth Keeper School Announcement

4:50 to 7:12

Announcement of the enrollment for the Radical Birth Keeper School and its implications.

“Or Yolanda's course, Through the Veil, where students got to watch her actual birth.”

Defining Radical Birth Keeping

7:12 to 8:10

Discussion on the term 'radical birth keeper' and its legal context.

“So to be crystal clear, a radical birth keeper is in practice an authentic midwife.”

Course Content and Criticism

8:10 to 10:30

Insights into the Radical Birth Keeper course and its controversial approach to emergencies.

“Did you think at the end of it, you were going to be effectively an unlicensed midwife?”

Expert Analysis of FBS Practices

10:30 to 13:20

Experts evaluate and critique the Free Birth Society's guidelines on childbirth.

“Keely thought that the business and self-help stuff was useful.”

Keely's Journey to Becoming an RBK

13:20 to 14:01

Keely describes her experience and feelings after completing the RBK course.

“And not just wrong, but dangerous misinformation that could cost lives.”

Keely's First Birth Experience

14:01 to 17:06

Keely shares her troubling experience as an unqualified birth attendant.

“Just to be clear, a newborn baby that is showing chest contractions needs urgent medical care.”

Emily's Vision and Festival Plans

17:06 to 19:10

Emily's ambitions for a women-centered festival and her growing empire are detailed.

“In 2021, as the money from the RVK school was pouring in, Emily began building what she sometimes called her empire or her queendom.”

The Matriarch Rising Festival

19:10 to 21:10

An exploration of the Matriarch Rising Festival and its impacts on attendees.

“Singing around the fire, laughing, crying and hugging for four days straight.”
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Disillusionment with Emily

21:10 to 22:39

Women reflect on their disillusionment with Emily's true nature versus her public persona.

“We were all so hopeful and proud of being a part of something that we really thought was going to change the world.”

Inside Emily's Inner Circle

22:39 to 28:10

Insights from former insiders reveal Emily's business practices and interpersonal dynamics.

“Before I tell you about the FBS inner circle, I want to say that the interviewees you are about to hear from have all had disagreements with Emily.”

The Impact of FBS: Reflection on Grief

28:10 to 30:51

Explore the darker aspects of FBS's community and its psychological effects on members dealing with grief and loss.

“Serendipity stopped working for FBS in 2023.”

Launch of Matribirth Midwifery Institute

30:52 to 31:36

Learn about the launch of Matribirth Midwifery Institute and its ambitious goals in midwifery education.

“And we have officially launched our one-year-long midwifery school, Matribirth Midwifery Institute.”

Concerns Over Midwifery Education Quality

31:37 to 34:23

Discuss the quality of education at MMI and the growing concerns among students regarding its content.

“But Emily and Yolanda wanted to take it one step further.”

A Crisis in Labor: Ignoring Medical Emergencies

34:24 to 37:37

Delve into a critical incident involving a student in labor and the community's failure to respond appropriately.

“that have been published in medical journals.”

Repercussions of Ignoring Medical Help

37:38 to 40:18

Investigate the fallout from a mother's medical crisis and the community's avoidance of discussing hospital care.

“After nine days, the mother shared a video of her son.”

Discussion on Responsibility in Birth Choices

42:04 to 42:24

Explore the concept of radical responsibility among mothers and the implications.

“Yolanda has also said she has always been transparent that she's not a registered midwife.”

Disclaimer from Free Birth Society

42:24 to 42:35

The importance of medical disclaimers in discussions about pregnancy and birth.

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Transcript

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0:00This is The Guardian.

0:32for. Hi, I'm Shirin Kale and I'm Lucy Osborne. You're listening to The Birth Keepers, a new six-part series from The Guardian Investigates. Just before we start, this series contains references to baby loss and maternal harm.

0:56I have a very exciting announcement to make. The official Free Birth Society membership network is now live. We have abandoned mainstream social media and created our own private network, a truly safe space where women can be free to talk about pregnancy, birth, holistic mothering. Within months of the death of Lauren's baby, Journey Moon, and the public backlash against the free birth society that followed, Emily Saldea took the membership private. We are so proud of this new space and we can't wait to welcome you. Come join us in the fun.

1:33Although it was sparked by a terrible tragedy, years later, Emily would tell friends that taking the membership behind a paywall actually strengthened the business. Because it meant that she could now collect fees.

1:55This is the story of how the Free Birth Society became a global, multi-million dollar business empire. And how some claim that the relentless pursuit of profit led to a trail of harm across the world. One that brought Emily and Yolanda to the brink. From The Guardian Investigates, I'm Shirin Kale, and this is The Birth Keepers. Episode 4, Growing an Empire.

2:35I was just like, holy crap, this woman is amazing. you know like wow serendipity day like many other women was drawn to the free birth society by the podcast and in particular by emily saldea you'll remember serendipity from episode one she was showing us one of emily's gold crowns when we visited her at her home in omar nebraska

3:02back in 2020 when she first discovered emily serendipity was a doula providing women with emotional, not medical, support during their births. So when she heard about the FBS private membership filling up with hundreds of newly pregnant women, she thought, hey, maybe this could be an opportunity for me. Initially, one of my main motivations was to find clients. By now, Emily was personally interviewing new FBS applicants. After the interview, like our 40-minute conversation, I was just like I was in love I was just like I can tell I just did something big you know like I can feel the energy of like this is going to change my life

4:01FBS had grown into a multi-platform business. As well as the private membership, currently priced at$499, there was the flagship video course, The Complete Guide to Free Birth, now priced at$399. And Emily and Yolanda had also started to branch out into other revenue streams.

4:29We've had a lot of growth and creation going on over here at Free Birth Society, with launching two more courses this fall, our first ever members retreat, organizing our incredible mother's retreat in Dominican Republic this winter, and our soon-to-be-out magazine. One-on-one coaching sessions for members now priced at$350 an hour. Or Yolanda's course, Through the Veil, where students got to watch her actual birth. Through the Veil also includes the hour-plus-long documentary of my eighth baby's birth. An incredibly loving, incredibly vulnerable, gritty, agonising, naked and beautiful family birth.

5:12And then, just the serendipity was joining FBS. My fellow Americans, tonight I want to speak with you about our nation's unprecedented response to the coronavirus outbreak. Governments began to enforce lockdowns and mask mandates. Emily and Yolanda were staunchly anti-COVID restrictions. gathering cell phone location data from telecoms to find out where people are still congregating amid the coronavirus shutdown. So that's just a little bit of state surveillance through our handheld devices. And of course, it's for the greater good. lots of women found fbs during covid some because they were looking to connect with other women who also felt that the reaction to the pandemic had been excessive others felt isolated and they wanted to find community online i don't think that any of this would have happened without COVID.

6:20And I saw like very rapid growth. That growth included their most ambitious product to date. Do you know it's your calling to become an authentic midwife? Do you dream of attending women in birth? Have you felt frustrated trying to be a birth worker in the system? Emily and Yolanda were opening what they were calling an authentic midwifery school. I just want to remind you that neither Emily nor Yolanda are midwives. We are thrilled to announce that enrolment for our radical birth keeper school is now open. Classes begin June 1st, so head over to our website and get the details. The time is now and we need you to join us in this birth revolution.

7:11Emily knew that in many jurisdictions use of the word midwifery without a license is illegal So in order to manoeuvre around these unjust laws I made up the term radical birth keeper many years ago when I first started attending births outside the system I wanted a name to call myself So Emily came up with the term radical birth keeper This is her explaining it to her students.

7:45So to be crystal clear, a radical birth keeper is in practice an authentic midwife. It's simply that we chose to come up with some new terms to navigate the political terrain, given that the word midwife has become criminalized for anyone who isn't sanctioned by the state to use it legally. in the u.s it usually takes three to five years to become a licensed midwife not all midwives in the u.s are licensed some choose not to be or others are in states without licensure but they're usually highly skilled and have apprenticed for many years learning from elder midwives but emily and yolanda were creating something different so-called authentic midwives trained in an online course in three months on Zoom.

8:38Did you think at the end of it, you were going to be effectively an unlicensed midwife? Yes, ma 'am. And that's what Emily kept saying, kept referring to us within the school, within the Radical Birth Keeper School. All they would always say is we are authentic midwives. We are traditional midwives. we are the real midwives this is keely sullivan a former radical birth keeper often abbreviated to rbk from california she borrowed the six thousand dollar course fee from a relative a six thousand dollar loan was not something keely took lightly she's a low-income single mother who until recently was on food stamps like i cried when i got the email saying i was accepted I cried.

9:28It was the brightest, shiniest, like prettiest opportunity that I had seen in my life. Perhaps surprisingly, given the course was only three months, around half of it wasn't actually about birth. Remember that self-help book that Emily was into in her 20s. The 10 Commitments of Conscious Leadership? Well, there were modules on that. Hey women, I want to talk about power dynamics and this idea of non-hierarchical sisterhood, support, relationships, and self-responsibility. And sessions on how to build your brand and market yourself online. Or which Instagram birth pages, for example, are attracting the kind of women that you want to be working with.

10:22And those are the spaces where you're going to find women talking. Women talking about their hopes, talking about their dreams, their fears, and talking about their desires when it comes to... Keely thought that the business and self-help stuff was useful. But when it came to the modules on birth, she was shocked. As they stated in their marketing repeatedly, time after time, I thought that I would learn a comprehensive birth education. That wasn't what she thought. They acted like emergencies were not real. And they literally said, they are so rare. Emergencies. As we have already mentioned, there are very few situations during birth that, in my view, represent immediate emergencies.

11:19But there are some. And so it is important, I think, to discuss what that might look like. I also want to say very openly that I have never been in a situation in 20 years of being involved in birth, during which I have been present for a woman when an immediately emergent situation has arisen that has required immediate transfer to a medical facility. I mean, it was just, it was insane, now that I think logically about it.

12:10Only a few modules cover emergencies and birth complications, meaning things like having breech babies or week-long labours or gestational diabetes, things that doctors and midwives would say increase the risks to mothers and babies in birth. But, to FBS, these were what they called variations of normal. This was a line that Yolanda and Emily used all the time to suggest normal, no big deal. The definition of a variation of normal versus a complication versus an emergency is fluid and changeable and highly subjective. We collected a range of FBS advice on pregnancy and birth, and we checked it with a group of experts.

13:05An obstetrician, two leading midwifery professors from the US and the UK, and a home birth midwife, with 25 years of experience. They said some FBS advice is broadly correct, but other parts were wrong. And not just wrong, but dangerous misinformation that could cost lives. like this from Yolanda on newborn babies who are struggling to breathe. In these heavily systematized, standardized realms of medicine, you know, including regulated midwifery, there are like standards that have to be met. If you see chest contractions, you must transfer. If the baby's not, well, like there's all, you know, charts.

13:55And I just, I've seen all of this in lots of situations. And in none of those situations has it been an actual problem.

14:09Just to be clear, a newborn baby that is showing chest contractions needs urgent medical care. One of our experts, an experienced home birth midwife, described this advice as despicable. Another, a Yale midwifery professor, was so disturbed by the FBS-related materials we shared with her that she emailed me to say she hadn't slept for two nights.

14:41Peely finished the 12-week course and now she was an RBK, trained in attending births by Emily and Yolanda. I gave it all that I could and got business cards right away. I did my website immediately, like everything that they told me to do. And I found a client. Keely followed Emily and Yolanda's advice. Never take payments in advance. Instead, after a successful birth, accept gifts of cash between$3 ,000 and$5 ,000. Here's Emily teaching her students about this. So the hard truth is that if anything negative were to occur at the birth, be it a transfer, complications, or something funky with the parents turning on you or blaming you, it's going to be a lot more self-protective to not have a money trail that you charge them directly for any...

15:39Yeah, talk about a red flag, man. Tili's first clients were a young farming couple from her local area who were paying for her services with raw milk. Deep down, Keely said she knew she wasn't qualified. But she went ahead anyway. I didn't think that I could handle any situation. I knew that. I was practising delusional optimism, I guess.

16:10Once labour began, Keely says she couldn't find a heartbeat with her fetuscope. They thought the baby had died, actually. Father was crying and, like, freaking out. And the family transferred to the hospital. We ended up going on the third day, and it was a C-section. Tilly says the baby was transverse, meaning that it was in a sideways position, a potentially dangerous situation for mother and baby. That was something that the RBK told me and taught us would never happen. And it happened on my first birth. FBS materials we've seen don't say a transverse position is impossible, but they describe it as incredibly rare.

17:03Keely never attended another birth again. And she's still paying off the debt for the course.

17:16In 2021, as the money from the RVK school was pouring in, Emily began building what she sometimes called her empire or her queendom. She bought a house in the Blue Ridge Mountains of North Carolina. I've seen pictures. It looks beautiful. She spent over$100 ,000 putting a swimming pool and an outdoor kitchen into the backyard. One friend remembers Emily asking how much it costs to get a private jet. As well as the home, Emily also bought the adjoining land. She had a plan. She just told me her vision of like she wants to host retreats and she wants to have a women's festival over the solstice every year where hundreds of women can come with their babies.

18:05Sevendipity Day again, who by now is working for Emily, being paid to lead some of the community calls that are included in the FBS private membership fee. She was planning the festival and she was marketing the festival before she had closed on the land. Gosh, wow. Yeah. Okay, so for anyone who doesn't know, we did it. We moved to the gorgeous Blue Ridge Mountains of western North Carolina and our family bought over 60 acres of really some of the most special, rich, sacred land I've ever walked. And I want to share it with you. It's been a longstanding dream of mine to host a women's festival just for us.

18:45And what could be a better time than this coming summer solstice?

18:53The first Matriarch Rising Festival took place in the summer of 2021. It had long been part of Emily's vision to have a Burning Man-style festival only in the South. A five-day women's-only event. On the website, tickets are now advertised for$2 ,000. Singing around the fire, laughing, crying and hugging for four days straight. There were lots of women from Free Birth Society, many of which who had gone through radical birthkeeper school, who were also there as like volunteer helpers. This is Paola Williams, herself a former RBK student. You're surrounded with other women. You're in a beautiful meadow.

19:39The sun is shining. There's dragonflies flying around. You're surrounded by trees. It's very calm and relaxing to just be in your skin. The festival, which ran for five years, had yoga sessions and singing circles and live DJ sets featuring Emily as DJ Matriarch One.

20:094 p.m on a Tuesday radical birth keeping with Emily Saldea what would that have been um so that was just an opportunity for her to like talk about herself talk about her you know credentials and all of the birth work that she's done she wore a crown to it and she um sat um like in a shaded meadow area and all of these women were like gathered around her with their notebooks just like taking down every single word that she said and she'd do all that whilst wearing a crown for many of the women we interviewed matriarch advising was a beautiful and true expression of the values that FBS stood for.

20:55Health. Community. Sisterhood. One of my favorite moments of my life, actually, was that first day that the festival started. We were all so hopeful and proud of being a part of something that we really thought was going to change the world.

21:30There were many women like Paola and Serendipity who upended their lives to be part of Emily's movement. They saw her as a champion of women. That's how Caitlin Pearl Codhill saw her too. She's like a powerhouse. That's how it felt at that time. Caitlin had had an amazing experience free birthing her third child after finding FBS. It changed my life because I'd never felt that much power in my body before. And because of that, she wanted to work with Emily to help other women to have the same. She is such a force to be reckoned with. She's fearless. She's not afraid to speak up for women. I wanted to support that movement.

22:10But eventually, Caitlin and the others begin to see that Emily behind the scenes did not always embody the values she publicly celebrated. She really didn't like or respect women, and she only really cared about herself. Very catty, very judgy, very bitchy, making rude comments, dismissive. Over time, I was like, oh, like, this is who she is. Everything else is a total facade.

22:56Coming up, inside Emily's inner circle.

23:09Before I tell you about the FBS inner circle, I want to say that the interviewees you are about to hear from have all had disagreements with Emily. Paola and Emily ended up in a legal dispute, which was settled out of court. We interviewed many people for our reporting who didn't go on the record, and we learned that Emily often fell out with her inner circle. There's even a term for them that FBS insiders use, her fallen soldiers. As Emily didn't provide a substantive response to our requests for comment, including to these allegations, you're only going to hear their accounts.

23:56So, people who know Emily say she's a really hard-working businesswoman and she values people who can bring skills to her team. Like I was really good at the time of being able to make like headline clickbait phrases. And so I think that she saw that in me and she would ask me for like post titles all the time. She's like, okay, this is, you know, the copy, like help me come up with a post title. And I was doing that for free because I loved it. I was like, yeah, I am really good at this, like, yay. From the inside, Sevendipity could see how it all worked. She saw how Emily curated the comments on FBS social media and the remarkable frequency with which she would simply kick out people who didn't agree with her.

24:46I never had the desire to ever inquire about anyone that she was booting from the group because I knew that that would make me look bad. She is constantly looking at the comments on Instagram and bitching about them and complaining about them. At first, Paola thought that the way Emily would talk about other people was just her having a bad day.

25:18Oh, she just must be like venting, you know. I didn't think much of it because I was like, oh, you know, whatever. like can't be like a thing forever um but it was it was consistent it was very much who she was what was she saying about the people on instagram people that were commenting oh they have no life how lame what low number of followers they have she would often make a comment about a woman in my radical birth keeper cohort and just oh she's you know it's really sad to think about she's saying like oh this person is just so insecure like I can't stand how insecure she was she was doing like personal coaching sessions with this person and so she would be like oh my god I just she was basically saying like I get the ick every time I just like try to coach her

26:16Caitlin Powell Coddhill who had got a job doing the social media for Emily remembers one time when some RBK students were complaining that Emily was trying to charge them extra money to keep the recordings of the online classes. And she called them whiny entitled bitches on a staff call. And it just became clear all she would talk about was money, follower count growth, business growth, and it was just like running a business. she didn't talk about birth at all like i got into this as a movement to talk about birth and what that means for the world she was trying to use this movement as a way to make money

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27:05how much do you think she's motivated by money i think she's a hundred percent motivated by money

27:15um sevendipity again one of the one of the mantras that she told me to have is she's walking around with my money in her pocket and so every single time that i have an interaction with a potential client to just tell myself that over and over and over again is that she's walking around with my money in her pocket like you know of course if you know if you're working full-time you need to be paid for it but it's this is this is we're talking about women of giving birth and that are the most vulnerable yeah did she ever like acknowledge that in any way i think that the way that she acknowledged that was to say that when we kind of had that thought process that we were victimizing them and infantilizing them.

28:15Analysis of FBS's financials suggests that when you take all of FBS's revenue streams since 2018, membership fees, online courses, and events like the Matriarch Rising Festival, a conservative estimate suggests that it has brought in over$13 million.

28:45Serendipity stopped working for FBS in 2023. That was two years ago. She's thought a lot about FBS since. At the time, she saw Emily as a toxic boss, a bit of a nightmare. But she didn't think too much about the FPS impact in the world. But now, looking back, she realises there was something she missed. Something much darker, much bigger. The amount of women who had experienced stillbirths joining the community grief calls. We would all hold them and, you know, space with them and cry with them and, you know, say sweet words. And, you know, I was definitely one of the ones to, like, come off mic and respond.

29:34And I would say stuff like, oh, Mama, you're so powerful. Like, this is just going to make you a better mother. And you're going to have other babies. And, you know, like, this is just part of life. did it feel looking back does it feel now that there were an unusual amount of people that were having stillbirths looking back absolutely uh looking back I am like appalled at the small amount of women in her membership in the high infant mortality there is and I think that I was willingly like turning a blind eye to a lot of the grief and death that was happening. And I was tracking it up to like, oh, yep, death happens.

30:21Death is a variation of normal. You know, death doesn't need to be traumatic unless you make it traumatic. I did not believe that a hospital could have saved those babies at all, like no matter what, no amount of prenatal care, no amount of hospital care, no amount of interventions could ever actually save a baby. And that's truly, truly, truly what I believed.

30:51Women, today is a big day. I have an amazing episode for you. And we have officially launched our one-year-long midwifery school, Matribirth Midwifery Institute. I am so pumped to be birthing this into the world with my creative partner Yolanda Norris Clark because you have been asking us for this. In so many stories there's that moment where the protagonist flies too close to the sun. That moment of hubris before a downfall. And for FBS this was it. With really every single facet and aspect that we could possibly think of to make this the best program out there. And there is nothing else like it.

31:33In September 2024, the Radical Birth People School was still proving extremely popular. But Emily and Yolanda wanted to take it one step further. It's a massive program, but you're ready for it. The world is ready for this, right? And so the Matri Birth Midwifery Institute, MMI, opened its virtual doors. A$12 ,000 year-long course which billed itself as a quote gold standard online intensive midwifery school i b i r t h midwifery institute.com i'll see you on the inside

32:18the small print was more opaque a disclaimer said the course would focus on quote core areas of knowledge essential for aspiring midwives who had received, quote, grounded, evidence-based education in the physiology of pregnancy and birth. In many ways, it was much like the RBK school. A mix of sound advice, incomplete advice, and unscientific, dangerous misinformation. Even if infection, the way that we're taught it within the allopathic sphere, were real, there would be a pretty much 0 % chance of anything happening, even if you did cut a baby's cord with an old rusty fork or whatever. But this time, expectations from the students were higher.

33:08And soon, people began to ask questions about the quality of the education they were receiving. I was really disappointed, but I kept thinking it was going to get better. It was very, very confusing. The definition of what an emergency is and how to even figure out if there is an emergency was totally incoherent and inconsistent. That's Emma Moore and before her, Molly Flam, both MMI students in 2024. people. That was an overarching like thing that they kept saying is that you're just not going to know what you're doing until you attend a few births. So you got to just go out there and start doing it and mess up and have these bad experiences because this is what's going to teach you.

33:54And it's like, okay, there's certainly some truth to that, but it's also incredibly irresponsible to hold a$12 ,000 school to tell women to just go wing it. they sold the school as being evidence-based. That has a certain connotation. That means something specific. Evidence-based. It's going to be based on studies, peer-reviewed studies that have been published in medical journals. It's going to have statistics, like real evidence. All the videos just felt like Yolanda's own personal opinions. There was a growing number of women who were starting to see the same things and were very, very disappointed by the program.

35:01After raising concerns, Emma was ejected from MMI. She filed a complaint with the North Carolina Attorney General's Consumer Protection Division, accusing FBS of deceptive marketing. FBS hired a lawyer, who denied the allegation. They argued MMI never marketed itself as a certified midwifery course, but as a provider of, quote, personal development and sovereign birth-related education. Emma filed a rebuttal saying she knew the course was not for a midwifery licence, but she still believed she'd been missold an education that was deficient. The Attorney General, which acts as an informal mediator, later closed the case.

35:51Around the same time that Emma was being ejected, a much more serious crisis was unfolding. One of the MMI students was a 23-year-old pregnant first-time mother. She was having a wild pregnancy, no prenatal care. She posted in the FBS membership on her fifth day of labour. The mother wrote that she was, quote, exhausted and hitting a wall of confusion. Emily responded, quote, sounds so normal and so hard. Baby is coming. You can do it. Everybody just keeps commenting like you're doing great. Keep going. Sounds normal. Sounds normal.

36:42And I just keep my mouth shut. You know, I'm like, doesn't sound normal to me. but not my place. On her ninth day of labour, she posts that her belly was taking on a strange shape as she contracted. And I thought to myself, that sounds like Bandle's ring. A rare but extremely serious medical emergency. But I didn't post anything because I just don't ever, you know, comment when a woman's in labour. Looking back on it, I wish I had said something. But I likely would have just been removed from the membership then.

37:38After nine days, the mother shared a video of her son. It's the video I mentioned in episode 1 It's the reason Lucy and I decided we had to go deeper into this story I remember where I was the first time I saw it It's not something I will ever forget watching The baby is grunting and struggling to breathe The baby is dying Members expressed their concern, some strongly But still Nobody told her to go to hospital or dial 911 immediately. The mother later posted, quote,

38:30This video of a dying baby, it broke something, like a spell had been lifted, and some in the FPS community could see clearly again. For years, it seemed deaths had been normalised in FBS, but this video was so heartbreaking, it was impossible to square away, impossible to forget.

39:00A few days later in March 2025, a Reddit community called Free Birth Society Scam was created by a group of former followers. Its aim was, quote, to help deprogram from the mind control, culty atmosphere and rigid dogma of FBS. Women posted accounts of their experiences. The following day, an MMI student posted inside a private chat for fellow students. I would like to know, she wrote, why it has not been addressed that a woman in this space, in our current cohort, lost her baby. No one encouraged her to seek medical attention ASAP, even though it was clearly a medical emergency. Emily deleted the post before ejecting her from the course.

39:50Here's Molly again. For me, it felt like they were covering it up. They were covering up what had happened to this mother.

40:03over the coming weeks 13 of around 70 students would leave or be kicked out of mmi i've thought a lot about this message why did nobody tell this mother to go to hospital there's the membership rule which states that you couldn't share plans to engage with the medical system, which many women took to mean you couldn't talk about hospitals at all. But I think there's something deeper at work, which is that FBS, over time, had made things that are intuitive, calling for help when a baby is clearly struggling to breathe, feel wrong. It had scrambled that most basic, most sacred human urge. Her mother's instinct.

41:01Next time on The Birth Keepers, Lucy and I track down women around the world to find out just how far FBS influence has spread.

41:15Emily Saldea and Yolanda Norris-Clark were both approached for comment about the issues raised in this series. Neither provided a substantive response. In reply to one email, Emily said, quote, Some of these allegations are false or defamatory. After we published the findings of our investigation, Emily posted a statement on Instagram branding our report propaganda and suggesting it contained lies. She previously criticised other media coverage for unfairly depicting her as, quote, some manipulative cult leader, and said she does not care whether women free birth but wants them to have the option to choose.

41:54Yolanda has previously said that FBS was the most ethical kind of business you can run. She has said that FBS critics fail to understand its commitment to mothers taking radical responsibility and that she should not be held responsible for a mother's choices. Yolanda has also said she has always been transparent that she's not a registered midwife. In May, FBS released a disclaimer saying its content was not intended to diagnose, treat, cure or prevent any medical condition related to pregnancy or birth. It added, for medical advice, consult your healthcare provider.

42:35You can read all our reporting on the Free Birth Society at theguardian.com Reporting and presenting was by Shirin Kale and Lucy Osborne The series producers were Elizabeth Kassin and Joshua Kelly Field production from Lucy Hoff Music composition and sound design was by Rudy Zidatlow The commissioning editors were Nicole Jackson and Paul Lewis

43:13This is The Guardian.

From the publisher
Within months of the death of Lorren’s baby, Journey Moon, and the public backlash against the Free Birth Society (FBS) that followed, Emilee Saldaya took FBS membership private, turning the business into a global multimillion-dollar empire. This is episode four of a year-long investigation by Guardian journalists Sirin Kale and Lucy Osborne. Help support our independent journalism at theguardian.com/infocus

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