The Birth Keepers: FBS goes global – episode five

2 Jan 2026 · 32 min · 16 chapters

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Podcast Episode Summary: The Birth Keepers: FBS Goes Global – Episode Five

Overview In this episode of "The Birth Keepers," hosts Shirin Kale and Lucy Osborne continue their deep investigation into the Free Birth Society (FBS) and its global influence on childbirth practices. They explore the ideology created by Emily and Yolanda, founders of FBS, and its potential dangers as it spreads internationally. The episode touches on themes of maternal health, the impact of social media, and the consequences of unregulated birthing practices.

Key Themes

  • Global Reach of FBS:
  • The hosts travel to various locations, including Omaha, Nebraska, and Cape Town, South Africa, to uncover the widespread influence of FBS.
  • They highlight the alarming number of women globally who have been impacted by FBS ideologies.
  • Influence During Labor:
  • Emily, a key figure in FBS, consistently engages with women during labor through texts, often advising against hospitalization, which raises ethical concerns.
  • Personal testimonies illustrate the detrimental effects of this advice.
  • Personal Stories of Harm:
  • The episode features several tragic stories, including:
  • Hayley Bordeaux: After enduring a prolonged labor with advice from Emily, Hayley suffered severe health complications, leading to multiple strokes.
  • Gabby Lopez: Gabby's experience with shoulder dystocia during childbirth emphasizes the risks associated with following FBS teachings against medical assistance.
  • Ernie Chirwa: Ernie's tragic stillbirths, attributed to negligence by an unlicensed birth keeper, highlight the severe consequences of unregulated birthing practices.
  • Cultural and Community Dynamics:
  • The hosts discuss the supportive yet potentially harmful community aspect of FBS where women feel a sense of belonging but may also engage in risky behaviors.
  • Former members of FBS describe their experiences using terms like "cult," highlighting how deeply the ideology can influence individuals.

Investigative Findings

  • The investigation identifies 48 cases of baby deaths or serious harm linked to FBS, with 18 cases indicating significant influence from FBS on dangerous decision-making.
  • The hosts emphasize the emotional and psychological toll on those involved in these cases, reiterating that these statistics represent real people and tragic outcomes.

Backlash and Response

  • The episode discusses the backlash FBS has faced on social media platforms, particularly Reddit, where critics have formed a community to share their concerns and experiences.
  • Emily and Yolanda’s responses to criticism include dismissive remarks, framing the criticisms as jealousy and unfounded accusations.

Conclusion The episode concludes by emphasizing the ongoing risks posed by FBS and highlights the importance of informed birthing choices. The hosts also hint at future episodes focusing on the perspectives of those affected by the losses associated with FBS, indicating a continued commitment to uncovering the truths behind the organization.

Key Takeaways

  • FBS has a significant global impact, with the potential for harm due to a lack of medical oversight.
  • Personal stories from individuals affected by FBS practices underscore the dangers involved in free birthing ideologies.
  • The episode raises critical questions about accountability, maternal health, and the responsibilities of influencers in health-related contexts.

Additional Information

  • For further reading and context, listeners are encouraged to visit The Guardian's ongoing reporting on the Free Birth Society.
  • The episode is a continuation of a year-long investigation, implying that more insights and stories will emerge in subsequent episodes.

Contributors

  • Hosts: Shirin Kale and Lucy Osborne
  • Production Team: Elizabeth Cassin, Joshua Kelly, Lucy Hoff, Rudy Zagadlo
  • Editors: Nicole Jackson and Paul Lewis

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This summary captures the critical aspects of Episode Five, providing insights into the ongoing investigation of FBS's impact on childbirth practices worldwide.

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Investigating FBS Influence in America

0:42 to 2:15

The hosts discuss the implications of the FBS video and their investigation into its impact.

“That video we told you about at the end of episode 4 it marked a new chapter in our investigation.”

FBS Goes Global: The Reach of an Ideology

2:15 to 3:19

Exploring how FBS has expanded into communities around the world.

“Hi, are you speaking English and French?”

Emily's Direct Influence During Labor

3:19 to 5:28

A deep dive into Emily's ongoing communication with women during labor and the implications.

“That's understandable for a successful influencer.”

Hayley's Traumatic Experience and the Hospital

5:28 to 8:31

Hayley's difficult labor experience and Emily's controversial advice during the crisis.

“I sort of assumed that after Journey Moon that she'd have stopped doing that or doing that less.”

Gabby's Life-Threatening Birth Situation

8:31 to 14:05

Gabby's birth experience highlights the dangers of ignoring medical advice in favor of FBS teachings.

“She said the doctors diagnosed Hayley's temporary loss of vision as the result of severe preeclampsia.”

Esau's Journey: A Family's Struggle

14:05 to 14:40

Learn about Esau's condition and the emotional toll on his family.

“Esau was taken to paediatric intensive care where he stayed for 21 days.”

Reflecting on FBS: Gabby's Experience

14:40 to 15:24

Explore Gabby's reflections on her time in FBS and its impact on her life.

“Nobody, you know, you think you're joining like a great movement.”

The Lost Mums: Voices from FBS

15:24 to 16:38

Hear about the experiences of women who lost children in free births.

“As Shirin and I continued our investigation, we started hearing this phrase, the lost mums.”

The Ripple Effect of FBS Training

16:38 to 17:49

Understand how FBS training spreads and influences women globally.

“After this mother's daughter died, she commented on the FBS Instagram account.”

Ernie's Story: A Home Birth Experience

17:49 to 19:52

Follow Ernie's harrowing journey to motherhood under Caitlin's care.

“conversation or indirectly via their podcasts and courses.”
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Tragic Outcomes: The Birth of Ernie's Twins

19:52 to 24:42

Learn about the tragic circumstances surrounding the birth of Ernie's twins.

“Did she ever measure the size of your bump?”

Confronting Caitlin: Allegations and Defense

24:42 to 26:32

Delve into the allegations against Caitlin and her defense of her actions.

“But her son Kwesi had died in utero a day or so before.”

The Broader Impact of FBS Practices

26:32 to 28:01

Examine the implications of FBS practices in light of reported tragedies.

“In June this year, Caitlin made a special appearance at FPS's Matriarch Rising Festival.”

Investigating Baby Deaths Linked to FBS

28:01 to 29:04

Learn about the findings from a year-long investigation into baby deaths connected to FBS.

“However, after a year-long investigation, here is what we found.”

Online Backlash Against FBS

29:04 to 29:53

Explore the backlash on Reddit against the Free Birth Society and its implications.

“It started in March and quickly snowballed with hundreds of new comments each week.”

Response from FBS Leaders

29:53 to 31:02

Hear the responses from Emily Saldea and Yolanda Norris-Clark regarding the allegations and criticisms.

“Emily Saldea and Yolanda Norris-Clark were both approached for comment about the issues raised in this series.”
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Transcript

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0:00This is The Guardian.

0:32Hi, I'm Shirin Kale and I'm Lucy Osborne. You're listening to The Birth Keepers, a new six-part series from The Guardian Investigates. Just before we start, this series contains references to baby loss and maternal harm.

0:55That video we told you about at the end of episode 4 it marked a new chapter in our investigation. Shrin and I had been monitoring FBS for months but after watching that video we dropped everything else all our other stories that image was all we could think about we started making calls we hit the road So we're here in Omaha, in the Midwest of America. Travelling around the United States. It's just all farms, isn't it? It's just agricultural equipment. I'm just driving down this dirt track now. We wanted to find out how many people have been influenced by FBS. I just, every time you get that message from somebody, like from a source saying, oh, there's been another stillbirth, you just have this feeling of, like, fear.

1:45Like, I've never felt anything like it. And what was the scale of the possible harm? There's just this... ...absolute trail of destruction. We'd knocked on this door, and once it opened, there was no way of shutting it. But soon we realised it wasn't just America. Yeah, Ernie's neighbourhood, it's in the southern suburbs of Cape Town in South Africa. Hi, are you speaking English and French? Right. That's perfect, we can do both. Emily and Yolanda had grown an ideology and seeded it globally. FBS was taking root in communities across the world. Here's Emily on a call with MMI students. Maybe what we could do while people are still finding their way here is have a little fun orchestra of coming off mute and saying where you are.

2:50I'm in New Mexico. Franklin, Tennessee. Arizona. I'm in Austria. I'm in Nebraska. I'm in Sweden. I'm in Ireland. I'm from Serbia. I'm in Rota, Uruguay. I'm in Cape Town, England. A reach we could never have fathomed when we started reporting this story.

3:13From The Guardian Investigates, I'm Lucy Osborne. I'm Shoeen Kale. This is The Birth Keepers. Episode 5. FBS Goes Global.

3:31Emily. She's always on her phone. We knew that early in our reporting. That's understandable for a successful influencer. but then Lucy asked serendipity something and her answer really caught our attention how often was Emily directly speaking to women during their labors that you were aware of um from my perception every day actually during the yeah yeah women were not necessarily always on the phone but women were constantly texting her like labor starting this is where I'm at in labor This is what I'm, you know, like, and yeah, like every single time I was with her on her property or anywhere, she was texting with a woman in labor.

4:18And can you recall any times where she was telling a woman, don't go to hospital? I've never heard her tell somebody directly not to go to the hospital. But like when we're all over at her house and somebody's texting her in labor, like she'll bring it up to everyone who's there and then we'll all talk about it. and there's many times that we've been like oh is this like does she need to go to the hospital for this and we're probably like no she doesn't need to go to the hospital for that this was shocking because it suggests that the emily never stopped offering women advice during their labor even after the death of lauren's baby journey moon who you heard about in episode three hey um i just spoke to adair really sad her daughter died in emily was advising during the birth was like five day labor heavy mconium baby was breached and who like adair need through fbs pulled emily apparently hey thanks for the update i don't know i just find it really shocking that these people that we're speaking to now Emily has been directly involved in their birth.

5:28I sort of assumed that after Journey Moon that she'd have stopped doing that or doing that less.

5:37As we began to try and work out the extent of FBS influence, finding more and more cases, they seemed to fit into different patterns. The image that comes to mind is a stone being thrown into a pond. Ripples of influence spreading out from FPS at the centre And the first ripple, the closest to them Is Emily on her phone, texting women in labour

6:09I was just thinking, like Just feeling like I just want it to be over You know, then this thought started to come up Of like, this can't be normal like this cannot be like normal the way things are supposed to go that's hayley bordeaux we're not going to give you a play-by-play of hayley's labor what you need to know is that it's 2024 she's had a wild pregnancy and something felt seriously wrong the pain was excruciating a friend at her birth suggested they text emily emily got on a call with hayley hayley's friend and Hayley's husband, Stephen. We were probably about to go to the hospital. And I remember Emily saying, the hospital has nothing for you.

6:59That's what she said, the hospital has nothing for you. Yeah. The hospital has nothing for you. They would just make things worse. You don't want to go there. That's Hayley's husband, Stephen. Hayley was telling Emily, the pain is unbearable. and she just said oh that's that's just birth that's just birth you know and gave us a lot of reassurance around two days later still at home the baby still having not arrived Emily spoke to Haley and Stephen again you know Haley was just saying why why is it taking so long it's it shouldn't feel this painful. I just want to die. And Emily went into this pseudo spiritual rant saying, Oh, girl, you know, time doesn't exist.

7:56You got this. It really felt like we had just locked ourselves in a cage and like threw away the key. Late in the evening of the 27th of January five days after her waters broke Hayley went blind They raced to hospital Hayley's son was born safely by C-section but Hayley couldn't see him Found out that I had had like four or five strokes during the labour and that's what caused the vision loss and that was from the high blood pressure

8:36and I was just so lucky that my vision came all the way back but like some of the pictures you know in our hospital room was like my face is just like total blank like I don't know if my vision like was back at that point or not but like I look like dead inside. Hayley's friend texted Emily. She said the doctors diagnosed Hayley's temporary loss of vision as the result of severe preeclampsia. Emily responded, quote, she doesn't have severe preeclampsia. That's so entirely retarded. She's a normal healthy woman. After this happened, Emily emailed Hayley saying, I'm really sorry that my involvement in your birth wasn't what you wanted slash needed.

9:23but privately Emily was less conciliatory. Here's what she told students about Hayley. She transferred and wound up having seizures I think yeah and had a c-section and was labeled preeclamptic and afterwards made up a pretty big story about me and made up a story that I almost killed her.

9:56So, that's Ripple 1. Emily on her phone, texting women in labour.

10:08The second Ripple, women who didn't directly speak to Emily or Yolanda during their labours, but did consume FBS content. We couldn't believe how many of these women there were scattered across the world, from Switzerland to France, Australia to Thailand. One of the stories that really demonstrates the reach of FBS is the story of Gabby Lopez. Her husband was there, and so were three local friends. All of the women, all four of them, had met through the FBS membership. Felt like life-changing, essentially, to say, but just I felt like I was meeting my sisters, you know, for life.

10:57What you're hearing is a video recording of Gabby's birth. It might sound like a serene scene, and in many ways it was. That's because no one in the room realised that what was unfolding was actually a life-threatening situation. You're doing so good, baby. When Gabby's son Esau's head was born, his body got stuck on her pelvic bone. The head's out. What she was experiencing was shoulder dystocia, an emergency that occurs in up to 1 % of vaginal births and one that medical professionals are trained to resolve. None of the women in that room had any medical training, but all of the women had consumed FBS materials.

11:44And so what they had in their minds were those teachings that birth is safe and to trust the process.

12:02But somewhere deep inside her was Gabby's intuition. I guess deep down I knew that he was stuck, that something was wrong. I said something like, can you reach in? Can you get him out? Can someone get him out? Instead of listening to her and responding to what she was actually saying, I think I was just kind of regurgitating this dogma that I had chosen to entrench myself in. This is Sarah, one of Gabby's FBS friends who was with her during the labour. It really felt we entered some sort of time warp. There's your baby. That's it.

12:49After five minutes, if a baby is stuck at a medically attended birth, it's an emergency. Esau was stuck, in the end, for 17 minutes. And with each minute, he was sustaining an irreversible brain injury.

13:13When Isa was born, he wasn't breathing. But FBS teaches its followers to give the baby time to breathe. So they did.

13:27Can you hear? And I just need the cord. Perfect.

13:37But minutes later, Gabby's maternal instinct kicked in and overrode her FBS education. Gabby started doing CPR while Sarah Googled how to do it. Someone else called an ambulance. I wish we had been quicker to call 911 because once the paramedics came, they were able to resuscitate him, I believe, relatively quickly. Esau was taken to paediatric intensive care where he stayed for 21 days. Now, age three, he is severely disabled and fed through a feeding tube.

14:19I met Esau. He's a sweet and sensitive boy and loves Miss Rachel and Sesame Street. But you can see he gets frustrated when he can't do things his little brother can do. Gabby sometimes struggles to understand how this happened to her family. She looks back at her time in FBS and doesn't recognise herself. Nobody joins a cult willingly. Nobody, you know, you think you're joining like a great movement. And I was just so captivated by their message. So I felt like it just felt almost too good to be true, which I think was the case.

15:02FBS is not, by any conventional definition, a cult. But Gabby is not the only one who used that word. Former FBS members often use this kind of language to describe the hold they feel the organisation had over them. After leaving FBS, Gabby discovered that there were other children, like Esau, who were seriously injured or died. It was very upsetting for me to learn that it happened not one, not two, not three, not four, but multiple times after me.

15:39As Shirin and I continued our investigation, we started hearing this phrase, the lost mums. It's a term that former FBS members use, women who had lost their babies in free births. Many didn't want to speak to us because of the shame and the stigma they felt, and also just the raw grief associated with losing a child. Some seemed to be hiding themselves from the world. But slowly, women started to open up.

16:37Hey, I just spoke to another woman called a **** who also had postpartum hemorrhage and nearly died at home. After this mother's daughter died, she commented on the FBS Instagram account. Her comment had been deleted and she'd been blocked shortly after she posted that. And the baby suffered severe oxygen deprivation and died six and a half months later. the mother said i had their words in my mind i had their video played in my mind and my daughter began showing signs of distress it's a really sad story this one really sticks with me actually the daughter passed away in her arms it's just another it's just really really sad and it just makes you wonder how many other women there are around the world like how much more of there is this that we haven't come across yet

17:30coming up fbs birth keepers go out into the world

17:48so the first two ripples are emily and yolanda influencing women either directly in a conversation or indirectly via their podcasts and courses. But the next ripple in the water was the influence of women who had been trained by FBS in courses including RBK, the Radical Birthkeeper School. You remember the RBK school. It's the one that taught women how to be what they called authentic midwives in three months on zoom some women hired rbks knowing they were trained by fbs but thinking they had life-saving skills they learned too late that they didn't but others some thousands of miles away from the us had no idea what fbs was i have never heard of of something like a birth keeper in my life.

18:45Ernest the Chirwa, Ernie, lives in Cape Town, South Africa. Ernie and her husband, Jifundo, were introduced to a woman called Caitlin Collins through a friend. That was in 2021, the same year Caitlin graduated from the Radical Birthkeeper School. How did Caitlin introduce herself to you? What did you understand of Caitlin's job? She introduced herself to me as a midwife. That's how Ernie and Chifundo remember that meeting. This is their account of what happened next. Caitlin, who is now a significant figure in FBS, denies she ever presented herself as a midwife or medical professional and disputes much of Ernie and Chifundo's account of events.

19:31We'll come to Caitlin's version after. Ernie, who was a cleaner at the time, could not afford what she said was Caitlin's fee. But as her husband was a tailor, Ernie said that Caitlin agreed to accept clothing instead of cash.

19:51During your prenatal care with Caitlin, did she ever take your blood pressure? No, she never took any blood pressure. Did she ever measure the size of your bump? No, she didn't. Did she ever take a urine sample? No, she didn't. Did she ever take your blood? No. Did you understand at the time that that wasn't what most prenatal care is like under midwives? Or did you think you were in safe hands? I just thought I was in safe hands because it was my first pregnancy, so I wasn't quite aware of what happened. So you trusted her? I fully trusted her because I've met like two or three white couples also visiting her at our place.

20:47Yeah, so I was like, if these people keep on coming here, that means she's a top class. She's a top notch. Had Ernie received standard ultrasounds during her pregnancy, she would have learned that she was pregnant with twins. Experts recommend a planned birth for twins at 36 to 37 weeks. Instead, Ernie went to 43 leaps of pregnancy. Chifundo texted Caitlin to check if it was normal to go past Ernie's due date. Caitlin replied, Can be normal. Those dates are a rough estimate. The most important thing is your baby moving lots and Ernie is feeling good. On the 14th of February 2022, Ernie went into labour.

21:30Caitlin arrived at her house just after midnight. Instead of examining her, Caitlin turned off all the lights.

21:39She switched off the lights also on the living room. Then my husband asked her, like, is it OK to switch off the lights? Then she was like, yeah, actually, it helps a woman in labour to keep cool. Then, Ernie says, Caitlin fell asleep. All of a sudden, she fell asleep on the couch. At around 2am, Ernie says she and her husband, Chifundo, wrote up Caitlin, who briefly checked her, before going back to sleep. All of a sudden again, Caitlin felt asleep on the bed while I was lying on the floor. I kept on waiting while she was asleep there. And I was getting so tired.

22:40Then, around 5am, they woke up Caitlin again. Caitlin checked Ernie and saw a baby's foot was hanging out. They decided to go to the hospital. On the drive there, Ernie says that Caitlin asked them to not mention that they were trying to have a home birth. I was so shocked, like, why is she asking us not to mention that we were trying to have a home birth? Now, before we entered into the hospital gate, the hospital entrance, then she just wanted to just drop us outside of the gate. then my husband said you know what Caitlin Annie can't move can you drive us inside so she said okay and she drove us inside then she just left Caitlin had dropped them at Retreat Day Hospital the nearest hospital but one that specialises in low risk care the staff there called an ambulance to take Ernie to another hospital a facility better suited for the medical emergency she was in.

23:50She waited two hours to be transferred. By the time she arrived, her daughter Quelly's heartbeat had stopped.

24:03By 13 past 10, my baby daughter was born that time. then they said I'm sorry Annie

24:20it's your daughter but she's stillborn then I heard the nurse telling me you know what there's still another baby inside and let's hope that this one is alive that's when I came to know that I was carrying twins But her son Kwesi had died in utero a day or so before. I'm into the room, into the world, and everyone is holding their babies, and I'm the only person there. I just felt so empty.

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25:11Ernie would later learn that Caitlin had a reputation amongst the medical community in Cape Town. Although Caitlin had trained as a midwife, she wasn't actually licensed in South Africa because her qualification was from the US. In 2020 and 2021, two stillbirths were linked to the practice she ran with her business partner in an 18-month period. In November 2021, while Ernie was still pregnant with the twins she didn't know she was having, Caitlin was told by the local health authority to stop practising until she registered. But Caitlin didn't tell Ernie. She kept her as a client. Later, Ernie and Shifundo sued Caitlin for alleged negligent care.

25:58They also reported her to the police in Cape Town. The police have not responded to repeated requests for comments. Caitlin also declined to comment, but in her defence in the ongoing lawsuit, she said that she unequivocally told Ernie and Chifundo that she was a birth keeper and that she'd always make that clear. She denied the couple's account of the car journey and hospital drop-off. She also denied receiving payment for her work, saying the skirt Chifundo made her was a gift. Caitlin's lawyers claimed she advised the couple to register with health professionals. And it was Ernie and Chufundo's negligence, they said, that contributed to the death of the twins.

26:48In June this year, Caitlin made a special appearance at FPS's Matriarch Rising Festival. Caitlin had a dance workshop and DJed under the name DJ Kundi, playing tribal themed dance music. We have DJ Kundi in the house! Do you want to give us like a vibe of what you're going for or do you just want to surprise them? Standing next to her was Emily Saldea.

27:23Here's a thought that stopped us in our tracks when we were reporting on RBKs There are now more than 850 of them around the world Potentially with dozens of clients Many of them are still attending births So how many more cases like Ernie's are there? It's impossible to know

27:52When a free birth goes wrong, no one can say with any certainty that the outcome would have been different with a doctor or midwife present. Tragically, babies do die in hospitals too. However, after a year-long investigation, here is what we found. We identified 48 cases of baby deaths or serious harm involving mothers or birth attendants who appeared to be linked to FBS. In 18 of these cases, evidence suggests that FBS played a significant role in decision-making that led to potentially avoidable tragedies.

28:35I always find it hard talking about these things in terms of stats, figures These are real people The devastation and the heartbreak would stay with us for weeks after we hung up the phone or got back in our cars To be honest, some of these stories will stay with us forever We weren't the only ones disturbed by the growing number of deaths connected to FBS Remember the backlash that began on Reddit that we mentioned at the end of the last episode? It was called the Free Birth Society scam. It started in March and quickly snowballed with hundreds of new comments each week. By August, Emily and Yolanda decided to respond to it in a new episode.

29:18And it was staggering. These lonely, bitter women banded together and created, as you said, a little hate club. so that they could feel a sense of validation, and ironically, community, when they realized that they actually weren't going to get either of those things from us. And they made up a bunch of stories and told a bunch of lies, and a bunch of other women, who I think were also to some degree lonely and isolated, believed them. And ultimately, it was and is nothing, really just jealousy. Next time on The Birth Keepers. The lost mums fight back.

30:03Emily Saldea and Yolanda Norris-Clark were both approached for comment about the issues raised in this series. Neither provided a substantive response. In reply to one email, Emily said, quote, Some of these allegations are false or defamatory. After we published the findings of our investigation, Emily posted a statement on Instagram branding our report propaganda and suggesting it contained lies. She previously criticised other media coverage for unfairly depicting her as, quote, some manipulative cult leader, and said she does not care whether women free birth but wants them to have the option to choose.

30:42Yolanda has previously said that FBS was the most ethical kind of business you can run. She has said that FBS critics fail to understand its commitment to mothers taking radical responsibility and that she should not be held responsible for a mother's choices. Yolanda has also said she has always been transparent that she's not a registered midwife. In May, FBS released a disclaimer saying its content was not intended to diagnose, treat, cure or prevent any medical condition related to pregnancy or birth. It added, for medical advice, consult your healthcare provider.

31:28you can read all our reporting on the free birth society at theguardian.com reporting and presenting was by shiran carley and lucy osborne the series producers were elizabeth cassin and joshua kelly the development and field producer was lucy hoff music composition and sound design was by rudy zagadlo the commissioning editors were nicole jackson and paul lewis

32:04This is The Guardian.

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Emilee and Yolande had created an ideology and then seeded it globally – a reach Sirin Kale and Lucy Osborne could not have fathomed when they began reporting on the story. They set out to trace just how far FBS has spread. This is episode five of a year-long investigation. Help support our independent journalism at theguardian.com/infocus

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