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Podcast Notes: Today in Focus - "What Nigel Farage will say for money"
Episode Overview In this episode, hosts Helen Pidd and Henry Dyer investigate Nigel Farage's controversial side gig on Cameo, where he records personalized video messages for a fee. The episode reveals troubling connections between Farage's messages and extremist groups, raising questions about his political integrity as a leader of the Reform UK party.
Key Points
Cameo Platform
- Definition: Cameo is a website where users can request personalized messages from celebrities and public figures for a fee.
- Farage's Popularity: Nigel Farage has become a fan favorite on Cameo, with nearly 2,000 five-star reviews and an average of three videos produced daily since joining in 2021.
Investigation Findings
- Volume of Videos: Farage has recorded over 4,300 videos, generating around £370,000 in revenue.
- Types of Requests: While many requests are benign (birthday wishes, pep talks), some messages reveal darker affiliations.
- Extremist Connections: Evidence of Farage promoting a neo-Nazi group and supporting a convicted rioter was uncovered through a detailed analysis of his transcripts.
Specific Incidents
- Support for a Jailed Rioter:
- Farage congratulated Benjamin Taverner, a convicted rioter, for his actions during the 2024 summer riots, which targeted asylum seekers.
- Farage's message implied support for Taverner's actions, despite being informed of the violent context.
- Promotion of a Neo-Nazi Group:
- Farage recorded a video for a Canadian far-right comedy tour linked to the extremist group Diagalon, which promotes a white ethnostate.
- The request included a rallying cry for mass deportation, highlighting Farage's willingness to engage with extremist rhetoric.
- Anti-Semitic Conspiracy Theories:
- Farage mentioned various conspiracy theories in response to a request about secret societies, which have been associated with anti-Semitic tropes.
Farage's Responses
- Farage's spokesperson claimed the videos do not reflect political alignment and are merely informal messages. He emphasized that mistakes can happen at such a scale.
- Farage defended his Cameo activity as a legitimate income source separate from his political duties.
Implications for His Political Career
- The findings raise concerns about Farage's character and integrity as a potential future Prime Minister.
- His engagement with far-right language and extremist groups challenges his claims of distancing from such ideologies.
- The juxtaposition of his private messages against his public persona presents a complicated narrative for voters.
Conclusion The episode provides a revealing look into how Nigel Farage utilizes Cameo, not just as a revenue stream but as a platform that intertwines his political ambitions with problematic associations. The investigation underscores the need for accountability among public figures and the implications of their actions, particularly in the context of rising extremism in politics.
Key Takeaways
- Cameo is leveraged by public figures for personal gain, which can lead to controversial and damaging associations.
- Farage's actions on Cameo reflect a disregard for the potential consequences of his endorsements and the messages he shares.
- The investigation calls into question the integrity and motivations of politicians who profit from controversial content.
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Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VOCameo's Celebrity Messages Explained
0:58 to 2:52
Discussion about the Cameo platform and its celebrity offerings, specifically Nigel Farage.
“Just a quick heads up before we start, today's episode contains strong and offensive language throughout.”
Investigating Farage's Cameo Videos
2:52 to 4:39
Henry Dyer discusses the findings of his investigation into Nigel Farage's Cameo messages.
“Henry Dyer, welcome back to Today in Focus.”
Farage's Video Production and Earnings
4:39 to 6:15
Exploration of Nigel Farage's video production volume and earnings from Cameo.
“When did he first join it and how much time does he spend on the platform?”
Audience Requests and Content
6:15 to 8:01
Analysis of the types of requests and messages Farage receives on Cameo.
“And how did Faraj explain the amount of time that he was spending making these videos?”
Promoting Far-Right Groups
8:01 to 11:40
Discussion on Farage's involvement with far-right groups through Cameo videos.
“Andrew and Matthew, your bros, have been in touch and told me you're turning 40.”
Consequences of Farage's Messages
11:40 to 14:02
Examining the implications of Farage's messages on his political image and public perception.
“And he was told that this video, it was meant to be a pep talk for a woman called Andrea Hallworth.”
Exploring Racist Imagery in Farage's Cameos
14:02 to 15:00
Discussion on the blatant racism depicted in videos Farage made for a group.
“There is anti-Semitic imagery, there are depictions of South Asian people described as strangers at our door taking what's ours in a poem that's read.”
Farage's Defense of His Cameo Videos
15:00 to 15:39
Farage's statement on cameo videos clarifying his lack of political alignment.
“And what has Faraj had to say about the video that he made for the group?”
The Case of Benjamin Taverner
15:39 to 17:00
Details on Farage's cameo for a convicted rioter and the context behind it.
“If individuals or groups subsequently choose to misuse or repurpose a cameo recording, that is clearly outside Mr Farage's knowledge or control.”
Understanding Farage's Support for Convicts
17:00 to 19:15
Examination of Farage's comments to Taverner and implications of his support.
“What do we know about what Benjamin Taverner actually did at that riot in Bristol.”
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Farage's Controversial Financial Gains
19:15 to 20:35
Analysis of the financial aspect of Farage's cameo work and its implications.
“He's been told what Benjamin Tavener did in terms of throwing a bottle as part of riots that were happening in Bristol.”
Farage's Handling of Far-Right Phrases
20:35 to 22:30
Discussion on Farage's repeated use of far-right slogans in cameo requests.
“So did you find any other examples amid all of these videos of him really leaning into far-right talking points or far-right memes?”
The Perception of British Identity
22:30 to 24:05
Debate around British identity and the implications of Farage's phrases.
“You know, you have somebody like Matt Goodwin, who came second in the Gorton and Denton by-election just the other week, who has said it takes more than a piece of paper to be British.”
Farage's Engagement with Conspiracy Theories
24:05 to 26:15
Review of Farage's references to conspiracy theories and their implications.
“up the rah, a kind of Irish nationalist slogan.”
Misogynistic Remarks and Outtakes
26:15 to 27:12
Exploration of Farage's misogynistic comments and candid outtakes during recordings.
“He's made misogynistic references to Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, the US congresswoman, and in particular her breasts.”
Unpacking Nigel Farage's Cameo Videos
28:46 to 32:35
Explore the implications of Nigel Farage's cameo videos and their impact on his political persona.
“This message was paid for by Brand Scotland.”
Transcript
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0:08Today, neo-Nazis, rioters and birthday wishes for your nan. Nigel Farage's cameo side hustle.
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0:58Just a quick heads up before we start, today's episode contains strong and offensive language throughout.
1:06So you all know Cameo, right? It's that website where you can ask a celebrity to record a personalised message for you, for a fee. Often it's just a bit of a laugh. So say you want to get, I don't know, Jay from the Inbetweeners to record a hilarious message for your friend. You can do it on here.
1:27Henry Dyer:Whatever you do on your birthday, you just don't be a bus wanker. Happy birthday, Jacob. Or you could get one from Fiona from the most recent series of The Traitors. Hi, David. This is Fiona, the secret traitor. But it's not just celebrities that are on Cameo. There are some politicians on there too. And one in particular is so successful that he is listed on the site as a fan favourite with almost 2 ,000 five-star reviews. Hello Neil, Nigel Farage here and Oliver tells me you are 50 today. Very happy 21st birthday. Farage has recorded thousands of these things. And in fact, since he joined Cameo in 2021, he has churned out on average three every single day.
2:11Hello Johnny. Hello Tony. Hi Peter. Steve has been in touch. But a Guardian investigation has found that some of the messages that Farage has recorded go far beyond sending best wishes to your nan on her birthday.
2:26He knows what you can and can't say what's offensive. And then he's continuing to do it to make huge amounts of money. He offered support to a jailed rioter. He promoted a neo-Nazi group. He repeated far-right slogans and anti-Semitic conspiracy theories. All raising serious questions for the man who fancies himself as the next British Prime Minister. From The Guardian, I'm Helen Pitt. Today in Focus. What Nigel Farage will say for money. For fuck's sake.
3:03Henry Dyer, welcome back to Today in Focus. Hi Helen. So you are an investigations correspondent at The Guardian. Tell me, how did this story start for you? So I had an email from a reader who said that they'd found this trend in some of Farage's videos and they wanted me to have a look at it too. So soon I found that we could look through the thousands of videos and the prompts and look at what Farage said. And a prompt is essentially a request, isn't it, that people make when they're paying for a Cameo video, and usually they're requesting something quite specific. Going through the videos on Cameo's website, we could find that in the source code on every page was information about how the video was commissioned, the day and time of the video's commissioning, as well as how much money Farage had charged for that video.
3:49And then we started looking through not just the information, those prompts, but also who is he taking money from based on those prompts? And when is he making these videos? When we looked at the data in mid-January, by that point, there were more than 4 ,300 videos that we could access. Blimey. Now, that's not all of the videos that Faraj has done on Cameo, we think, because when you make your request, you can tick a box to say, I'd like this video to be private. but the nature of Cameo is it's a platform where you want a message to send to someone and hopefully that video message they get is funny or entertaining in a way that they might want to share the link with others so there's not too much incentive to keep all of the videos private.
4:35And what do we know about Farage's time on Cameo? When did he first join it and how much time does he spend on the platform? So Farage joined the platform back in 2021. He wasn't an MP at the time, but since he became an MP, we know that he's made more than 1800 videos since July 2024. Wow. Okay. That is a lot when he's not only an MP, but also leading a political party. And we've got the really specific data about when it is that he's doing these videos. So we know that he took time out of his political duties. He did eight videos on the day of the election. I understand you like my smile and my sense of humour.
5:13Well, you know what? Given the state the world's in laughing is really really important just wanted to say a quick thank you for being the best donator to my amazing party cross our fingers let's hope july the 4th a real success he recorded two more at about 5am on election night he did four in the morning of the queen's funeral right you can see him in his black morning garb one produced for stag do and another in which he made a vulgar sexual reference to shenanigans in a cavern and quote deez nuts Now, I know you and Arthur are planning on getting up to shenanigans in that cabin. Mmm, these nuts.
5:49These nuts? What? It's a very online reference. It's referring to testicles. Okay, right. And he's mostly, it looks like he's filming these videos at home, and he doesn't have an aide helping. He's doing it himself. Okay. And he's doing about the equivalent of almost three videos a day since he started five years ago. But that's not including all of the other videos that might have been marked as private. And how did Faraj explain the amount of time that he was spending making these videos? So when we asked Faraj about this, he said, you know, I voted more times than Kemi Badenoch and Keir Starmer combined since the 2024 election.
6:28And he said that this was proof effectively that his cameo videos were not taking away from his parliamentary responsibilities.
6:46All right, so let's have a look at Nigel Farage's profile on Cameo. So there's all of these videos that he's made at the top. Some of them say birthday, some say other. Let's look at the prices. Okay, so he's saying the price is£69.92. And for that, he will deliver you a message within 24 hours. Well, you've got to pay extra, actually, in order to get the 24-hour delivery. Yeah, okay. But we also know he's kind of offering all of these reasons why you might get a video. A happy birthday, a pep talk, a roast. A roast. And there's quite a few people who commissioned a Valentine's Day message from Nigel Farage.
7:20What could be more romantic? Exactly. So we've seen the prices that he's charging, but what kind of money has he made out of all of this? Since he's been on Cameo, he's charged at least£370 ,000 for the videos. So it's been a nice little earner for him. It's a very considerable amount of money that he's now making alongside his job as an MP. And so you have, what service to journalism, you have looked through more than 4 ,000 of these videos that he's made. What kind of things are people asking him to say? So we didn't actually watch all of the videos, but instead I've read all the transcripts of all of the videos and also read all the transcripts of the requests that people have made.
7:59Now, most of these requests and the videos are pretty innocuous. They are birthday wishes. Andrew and Matthew, your bros, have been in touch and told me you're turning 40. Christmas messages. Christian, happy Christmas. Pep talks for fans of Farage or reform. The good Brexit fight. Thanks to you and to James for fighting in the great battle of our times. But as I continued reading the transcripts of what Farage had said and what he'd been asked to say by the people who were paying him, a few things jumped out. One video which Farage charged£78 for, he was told in the prompt by the Cameo user, vote National Front.
8:41Now Farage didn't say this in the video itself, but he still went ahead and made the video for this person. In another for a 70th birthday message for someone called Ken, he was told of Ken that this guy is a former UKIP supporter and dislikes the gypsies. But he still went ahead and he made a video for Ken. Ken, happy 70th. Have a fabulous day and thank you so much for putting your head up over the parapet and helping in our great historic cause. Then there was one request in particular which linked him to the extreme fringe of the far right, but not the far right in the UK, but instead in Canada.
9:24And who were these people in Canada that asked him to make a video and what did they want him to do for them? They asked him to make this video only 10 days after his election in July 2024. And they paid extra for speedy delivery to get it done within 24 hours. And Farage was asked to do a video promoting the road rage terror tour. Road rage terror tour. And the prompt described this as a Canadian comedy show hosted by three men, Jeremy McKenzie, Derek Harrison and Alex Reend.
9:56Henry Dyer:We welcome too many who now hold sway. They're now writing laws that push us away. For a brighter tomorrow, a path must be found. Back they must go to their own ground. For a future bright, we must take a stand. They have to go back to their own land. Now, this isn't a comedy show. This is extreme far-right content masquerading as comedy. And it's organised by a group called Diagalon. The name of this group is a reference to their logo, which is a white diagonal strip on a black background. Now, this is meant to represent a white ethnostate stretching across North America from Alaska to Florida.
10:40Diagalon had been designated as an extremist group a few years earlier, designated as white nationalists by Justin Trudeau.
10:50Henry Dyer:Diagalon stands against everything we stand for as Canadians. So to give you a flavour of what Diagalon is, on their website, at the time that they were selling tickets for this road rage terror tour, they were also selling copies of a book called Meme Kampf. Oh God. So this is back in July 2024. and this road rage terror tour, like how well publicised was it at the time? If you'd Googled it, what would you have found out about the tour and about who was taking part in it and what kind of comedy it entailed? So he had enough information in the prompt to, with a few seconds of research, identify very clearly who they were.
11:30He knew the name of the event and he had the names of the organisers and a few seconds on Google would have found lots of news stories published very recent to the time that he received the request detailing what this group was like. And he was told that this video, it was meant to be a pep talk for a woman called Andrea Hallworth. Now, Andrea Hallworth is the mayor of a city in Ontario called Hamilton. And this group wanted to bring one of their events to that city. And she'd said,
11:58Henry Dyer:I think we all agree that Hamilton is not a place for hate. And so I think we're all equally appalled by the news of the planned visit to our city by a group that promotes hate. And within days of her publicly speaking out against this group, they had commissioned Nigel Farage to do a video targeting her. The end of the prompt features a request to Farage to repeat what he's told is the subtitle of the show. They have to go back. Now, that's not the subtitle of the show. Instead, this is the rallying call of the group. And it's calling for mass deportations of South Asians in order to create a white ethnostate.
12:35And there's members of Diagon, including Jeremy McKenzie, the leader, explaining that slogan, meaning just get out, just get the fuck out. They have to go back! They have to go back! They have to go back. Now, hello, Andrea Hallworth. It's Nigel Farage here. And we're told you don't like comedy, but your friends are trying to get you to attend Road Rage Terror Tour comedy show. but you're hesitant now look it's hosted by Jeremy McKenzie Derek Harrison and Alex Rend and it's currently the most talked about show in Canada so do you know what Andrea just sometimes in life we're a bit reluctant a bit hesitant to go and do things we don't really fancy doing but for the sake of a couple of hours of an evening why not give it a go you never know you might walk out saying road rage terror tour is the best thing that ever happened and then they gleefully share it on their social media platforms that they've had this message from the British Parliament.
13:33So this is Nigel Farage, a newly elected MP, promoting a far-right comedy tour and essentially goading the mayor of the town where this tour is supposed to take place, who was objected to their presence, saying, oh, come on, Andrea, get over it. Sometimes in life we have to do things that we don't like doing. And then it's used subsequently by the group in videos that they produce as part of a retrospective on the tour that they held. I love it! Rogue rage terror tour is the best thing. forever happen. We have to go back! We have to go back!
14:07Henry Dyer:That's the Canadian people! That's what it means!
14:14It's blatant and open racism. There is anti-Semitic imagery, there are depictions of South Asian people described as strangers at our door taking what's ours in a poem that's read. Right. And there's clips of the leaders of the group putting their hands together, doing Nazi salutes while saying the word racism.
14:37Henry Dyer:Racism! And a clip where a leader of the group makes shooting noises and gestures while saying, I just saw you were brown and I just couldn't help myself. These people are not hiding who they are in any way. And the time it would have taken to consider that request and to reject it would have been no more than a minute. of research. And what has Faraj had to say about the video that he made for the group? So Faraj got back to us yesterday in a statement from a reform spokesman and he said the videos should not be treated as political statements or campaign activity. Attempting to portray these informal messages as evidence of political alignment with the individuals who requested them would therefore be entirely misleading.
15:21Mr Faraj has recorded many thousands of videos for genuine supporters to celebrate weddings, congratulate friends or send novelty messages. At that scale, the occasional mistake can occur. He uses the platform in good faith and without knowledge of the individuals involved beyond what is written for him in the prompt. If individuals or groups subsequently choose to misuse or repurpose a cameo recording, that is clearly outside Mr Farage's knowledge or control.
15:58Were there any other videos that really shocked you? Yeah, so last December, Nigel Farage was asked to make a video for a man named Ben. And according to the video's purchaser, who appeared to be members of his family, and this is the prompt that they gave Farage, Ben is, quote, a long-time reform member. And then they say he was filmed in the 2024 summer riots, breaking up fights and helping stop clashes with police. when objects were thrown at him he threw a bottle that hit the ground and hurt no one he received 16 months in prison off license in days so that's what they told Farage yeah so they laid out all of that context about what Ben had been through what he had done and then they said that he had faced abuse there had been a police marker on their home and they said that all of this could be verified so using the information in that prompt we've identified who Ben is.
16:48He's called Benjamin Taverner and in October 2024 he was given a 16-month sentence for violent disorder. Okay and this was in relation to that summer of riots across the country and he was convicted for taking part in a far-right riot in Bristol which was I think targeting asylum seekers is that right?
17:07Henry Dyer:Yeah. What do we know about what Benjamin Taverner actually did at that riot in Bristol. So we found footage of Taverner at the riots and we can see him on one side, some police horses coming in between and then on the other side some counter protesters and we can see him leaning back with a bottle in his hands and then between two horses arcing a bottle it looks like towards the other group. Now I've spoken to Taverner, he says he wasn't rioting, he says he's not far right and instead he describes himself as patriotic. And whoever has sent Farage this message has really advertised that Ben was sent to prison.
17:45What exactly did the family ask Farage to record for Ben? They said, the country is in ruins and reform is the way forward. Kind words from you would mean the world. So they wanted kind words for Ben, who was leaving, he was coming off licence, finishing the end of his sentence. Ben, it's Nigel Farage here. Lossie and your mum have been in touch to tell me all about the summer riots of 2024 and you doing your bit to try and break the whole thing up. Yeah, it all turned very, very nasty. Now, you clearly got the most incredible prison sentence in Ben, what for the first time we saw and understood to be two-tier Britain.
18:21Absolutely outrageous in every way. And I know you've really, really been through the middle. I'm sorry. I'm genuinely sorry. You're not alone, but that's cold comfort farm. It's absolutely rotten. All I can say is keep your head up, keep believing in the right things, keep acting in the right way. And in the end, do you know something, Ben? In the end, good triumphs over evil. And that's the great battle that we're on because our country is in the most desperate plight. So look, all the very best to you and thank you for your support. And I'm with you as well. Well, there is quite a lot to unpack there, isn't there?
18:57Let's start with the phrase that Nigel Farage said. So keep believing in the right things, keep acting in the right way. So he's directing this at somebody that he knows has just spent 16 months in prison, so has been convicted of some kind of crime. What do you read into what Fraud is saying there? It's striking. He's been told what Benjamin Tavener did in terms of throwing a bottle as part of riots that were happening in Bristol. And he knows the origins of that disorder. And he's suggesting that the things that Benjamin Taverner did, which he knows led him to 16 months of a sentence, were acting in the right way.
19:39Farage decided to offer his support to this guy in exchange for money. He's profiting off doing this. Yeah, how much did he make for that? For this video, he charged£141. And the risk for Farage is that he's making money off supporting someone who was convicted for taking part in far-right riots because he has made a very big deal out of looking to distance himself from people like Tommy Robinson and he says he has done quote more than anyone else to defeat the far-right in Britain. And what did Faraj have to say about this particular video? He didn't address questions about this video specifically but you know his position is he makes thousands of these videos mistakes happen and that they're not evidence of his political leanings.
20:25He's also said he's long been clear in his opposition to extremism and to political violence.
20:41So did you find any other examples amid all of these videos of him really leaning into far-right talking points or far-right memes? Yeah, I saw this phrase pop up again and again. And it's this term, if and doubts, kick them out. One academic I've spoken to described it as a well-established far-right slogan and it's used to refer to minority groups of people and if there's any kind of question over whether they should be here, deporting them. Now, Farage has been asked to use this phrase for years. So there are 26 requests that mention the if and doubt, kick them out term. And there's four ways that he handled the request The first time he's asked to use it, he actually recommends you should be careful.
21:27You're considering a podcast with a title, Kick Them Out. Liam, that could be misconstrued is all I would warn you. Maybe think about a different title. So that shows straight away that first time he's asked that we are aware of, that he knows there could be some question marks of this phrase. But then there's a few other occasions where he repeats the phrase. Now, remember, if in doubt, kick them out. I'm asked to add, if in doubt, kick them out. But then in most of the occasions where he uses the phrase, instead he does it by alluding to it. And if in doubt, get rid of those who ought not to be here.
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22:03If in doubt, remove them, of course. If in doubt, proper border controls. Whee! And then the other way that he might allude to it is to say, if in doubt, well, you know the rest. If in doubt, we know what to do, don't we? If in doubt, well, you know what to do. Yeah, especially he comes attached with a wink, that doesn't he? Yes, absolutely. It's a winking nod to say, we're both on the same wavelength. You've asked me to use this phrase. I'm not going to use it myself, but I'm going to acknowledge it. And then there's a handful of instances where he's asked to use the phrase and he just doesn't include it at all in the video.
22:35Right. And let's not forget, we are talking at a time where the question of what it takes to be British, what it takes to be considered British, is increasingly being called into question, particularly by people from within Farage's own party. You know, you have somebody like Matt Goodwin, who came second in the Gorton and Denton by-election just the other week, who has said it takes more than a piece of paper to be British. And that even if you are officially a British citizen, that that might not be enough. Yeah, I mean, once you get to the question of there being doubts around whether or not someone deserves to be here, then it poses the question, who's thinking of that?
23:11Who's going to be the arbiter of that? Who's going to say, well, we've got a little bit of doubt, and so we're going to get rid of you? He did seem to be aware, right when he was first asked to record a cameo, including the if in doubt kick him out phrase, that it could be misconstrued, that it was a loaded phrase. So it shows that he was mindful to a degree that some of these videos could potentially be damaging to him, do you think? Cameo for Farage is a balancing act between enough winking nods and references to his audience that he's popular and is seen as someone who's kind of quite online, understands some of the memes, but not too much that he risks destroying his career by being found to have said something that he really ought not to have.
23:59Now, a few years ago, Nigel Farage was duped into saying, up the rah, a kind of Irish nationalist slogan. Up the rah. Yeah, the rah being the IRA. Yeah. Up the rah, Nigel. I mean, I know that you said sorry. I know you get 87 quid. It's entirely within your rights to do that. But come on, don't try and lecture the Irish people about the culture and history and precarious nature of peace on this island. You haven't got a clue. When this came out, there were some news stories written about it. And he said that he would never respond to requests that he deemed crude or offensive. And he said, you know, when I saw that request, I didn't kind of understand the significance of it.
24:43But most of the videos aren't about him being duped into saying something embarrassing. Instead, the videos that we've looked at that we think are of really significant interest are about him taking money from people expressing offensive views. We now have to beat the war on woke, the nonsense, the idea that a bloke puts on a dress and calls himself a woman, etc. And what about other requests that he's getting from users? So we've seen a prompt where he was asked to produce a video for someone who's interested in conspiracy theories. And Farage was asked to, quote, talk about how the world is going to shit and how secret societies are controlling everything.
25:23So he's not given any real specifics there. But what he chooses to do is to name some conspiracy theories. Is it a whole series of secret societies? Is it the Bilderbergers that are running the world? You know, there are many, many other theories. It could be the Masons. Some think it's the Rothschilds. Maybe it's George Soros. I don't know. What I do know is actually, I don't think any of it's a conspiracy theory. I think it's just Marxism that is coming back to haunt the world. We asked experts what the reference to these conspiracy theories. So he wasn't prompted to give those names. He offers them up himself.
26:01And they say that these four together refer to in varying degrees to anti-Semitic tropes. They're used as part of conspiracy theories alleging that Jewish people are secretly running the world. Dare I ask, was there anything else? He's made misogynistic references to Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, the US congresswoman, and in particular her breasts. If you're simpering for Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez's big naturals, you may not be thorn in a very good place. He's made a reference as part of a roast by request to someone who said, effectively, I hope you don't have a crush on Diane Abbott. Rumoured to have a secret crush on Diane Abbott.
26:42Well, I hope that's not true. That's by the time he's an MP and Diane Abbott is one of his colleagues in Westminster. Right. One, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight. Most of the videos, and certainly the ones that people get as the finished product, are Faraj the man as seen on television, as seen in public, Faraj the politician. But we found his outtakes. Yes, we want to bring law and order back to our streets. Oh, for fuck's sake. From what we can tell, these outbursts tend to happen when he's recording a message, but then he gets interrupted with a call or a text. It looks like he feels annoyed and inconvenienced.
27:18He's recording these messages, but something's getting in the way. Very strong views that you share with me. Well, that's OK. For fuck's sake, you can't. That wasn't very parliamentary language, was it, Henry? No, he gets angry really quickly.
27:35Coming up, what do these cameos tell us about the man who could be Britain's next prime minister?
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28:54And I guess some people might be listening to this and think, well, he wasn't saying this stuff in public. It was all just for private cameo videos. It was just a joke, really. Why does all of this matter? What would you say to that? I think his use of cameo is really intelligence, actually. He knows what people want from it, and he has a relationship with the people who are buying videos. He makes reference to something called Big Chungus when he's asked to kind of do like internet memes because it's something from years ago when he first started. Big Chungus, the true sigma says vote reform.
29:30It's a way for him to build a relationship with voters in particular, maybe younger voters, he thinks. Because while the videos themselves might be private in the sort of overall content of them, these videos do get shared. They get propagated on social media platforms by the people who receive them, who are chuffed to have got a funny message from someone that they view as perhaps inspiring or just, you know, look at what politicians are willing to do and save for money and the daft things you can get a man in his 60s to say. So it's not only free publicity, it's publicity he is paid to make.
30:07And this latest investigation of yours comes just a couple of months after your last investigation into Nigel Farage, along with our colleague Dan Boffy, which found that more than 30 former schoolmates of Nigel Farage, as well as teachers from the school he attended in South London, accused him of using racist and anti-Semitic language, as well as bullying younger children. And, you know, he's changed his story a little bit on that over time. But ultimately, he said he never intended to upset anybody and that anyway, it was a long time ago. And I just wonder, what insight do you think these cameo messages give into Farage, the man now, Farage, the leader of the Reform Party?
30:50I think the video shows what he's willing to say for money, ultimately, and what he's willing to do for money. and this is someone who wants to be the next prime minister so what he's willing to do and save for money is obviously very relevant today what the videos show in that regard is someone who is willing to wink and reference to far-right phrases who seems blasé enough to not do the basic enough research when given all the details about a group of canadian neo-nazis and to give ringing endorsements of the activities of someone convicted of violent disorder in summer riots. And then there's other questions about his character more personally in terms of the offensive things that he's willing to say and repeat.
31:40And if you want to be prime minister, making offhand flippant misogynistic or transphobic references isn't necessarily the character that people would want to vote for. And when you contrast it to our stories about his time at Dulwich. Well, his defense there, when I was a teenager, this happened a long, long time ago. These videos are during his political career. And so he knows what you can and can't say what's offensive. And then he's continuing to do it to make huge amounts of money as an MP. And the time that he's spending on those videos, the fact he's up at half past five on the day of the election recording videos.
32:19If you're one of his constituents, are you wondering if I want to get a message from him do I need to pay him on Cameo? I think it goes back to that question of here's what he will say for money so what's he going to say for power? Henry thank you very much. Thank you Helen. That was Henry Dyer at The Guardian's Investigations Correspondent. You can read his reporting on Nigel Farage which he did together with data correspondent Michael Goodyear at theguardian.com and you can watch a full video of this episode on YouTube. This episode was produced by Eleanor Biggs and Eli Block and presented by me, Helen Pidd.
32:55Sound design was by Ria and Matt Namara. Video production was by James Tyndale and the executive producers were Hummer Khalili and Sammy Kent. We'll be back later today with the latest.
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