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28:59And so, of course, like the listener just always remembered that. And like fast forward maybe 10 years, her grandma is dying and her grandma, similar situation, like not responsive, but is just laying in a bed in the family home. And they're just kind of waiting for her life to end. and so she like the listener goes out to get some air opens the door and all of a sudden this black cat runs in to the house oh my god jumps on the bed and sits there and no one had ever seen this cat before it was like not a cat from the neighborhood it was not their cat and it just sits on the bed and she was like what's crazy is i one of the last things i ever said to my grandmother was are you afraid to die and she goes no because i'm gonna see your sister and then the cat runs in runs out they never see the cat ever again and the grandma died like three days later.

29:46What? And it was just, I still get like in my feels when I talk about that one. Cause like coming to guide her and just make sure she was okay. Oh my gosh. Yeah. I saw the craziest TikTok and I honestly haven't cried so hard watching a TikTok in quite some time. And this girl was doing a gender reveal for her baby. And she said like something on like the video where She was like, my sister passed a couple of years ago and she keeps visiting us in the form of an eagle. And in the video, you see like the little like smoke cannon thing go off and it hits blue. And then you look to like the right in the video and there's a woman like standing on the top of the hill, like overlooking a lake.

30:32And all of a sudden you see this eagle just swoop down near this woman. And wow, it was her mom. And they just keep thinking like this is their sister coming back as an eagle. And then what really set me off, the comments. It's always the comments on videos like that. And someone comments, and it was because in the video she goes, Denali, Denali, and was like screaming Denali at the eagle, being like, Denali, is that you? Talking to the eagle. And in the top comments, someone was like, wait, your sister's name was Denali? The Brother Bear movie? The brother comes back as an eagle, and his name was Denali.

31:13I'm like what the fuck oh my gosh why are you doing this to me TikTok I don't need this today whoa I mean I'm sure you're gonna get comments of people getting signs from people because it's just so common I'm so glad that people can get these signs and just like feel that like sense of peace and closure I know visitation dreams are huge for people visitation dreams are huge and I also I'm a firm believer that the signs don't have to happen immediately. I'll have some listeners reach out and be like, Hey, I heard your episode where you were talking about signs people sent from beyond the grave.

31:52Like my mom passed away. I've never gotten a sign from her. Do you think that means anything? And I, I'm of the belief that at some point you will, when people die, they have a long list of people they have to get through of signs they have to go send. I promise you're on the list like it just might take some time to get to you but I feel like more times than not even if it's years and years later people get something or they're just there but they haven't needed to break through to give you a sign yet yeah like you haven't had a day yeah that's been so dark or you haven't been in a situation where you've needed that guardian angel yet yes which like that's kind of another thing like it could be coming but also like you don't want to need a guardian angel sign like I remember a story we've done on a previous THT episode where someone was like a guardian angel saved my life and they fell asleep in their home and they were having issues I don't remember why they like were sleeping so soundly but all of a sudden they heard a get up in their ear like clear as day yeah and like their house was on fire you know what that's called the third man have you heard of this no yeah it's like a it's a very well documented phenomenon on.

33:00It is one of the most common, we have a whole episode that's just called Third Man or like Third Man Stories. It's called Supernatural Survival. It's one of the most common stories I get from people where life or death situations, it's usually a life or death situation, a lot of car crashes, someone will visit the person in that moment where it's sometimes it's someone who says they're an EMT that no one else can see. But a lot of times it's someone they know who's already passed away like their grandfather. They even talk about it in the, I don't know if you watched the Biggest Loser documentary that just came out.

33:33No. One of the, in like the second episode, one of the women in the first episode, she runs too far and has some sort of heart condition and like passes out and dies for a moment. And she even says, I was on the helicopter and I know I died because I saw my grandfather and woke up in a hospital. But even she had someone come to her and it's just really common. Wow. We've gotten some crazy stories from listeners about like, I was in a car crash and my grandpa was in the passenger seat after I got hit. And he told me exactly what to do to stop the bleeding. And then I survived. And yeah, they'll tell the EMTs too, like, oh, there was like, someone showed up and told me what to do to stop the bleeding.

34:13And the EMTs are like, oh, that person was probably a ghost. Like that happens at a lot of these scenes, like when someone's been hurt as badly as you have. My God. Yeah. I remember seeing something along these lines of like did you ever watch the movie with Ashton Kutcher and Kevin Costner oh The Guardian no it's a movie about like the Coast Guard no oh I know which one you're talking about but I haven't seen it oh oh my god it's so good okay I'll add it to my list it's really good I mean the two of them their chemistry they're just they're good but at the end they like because it's loosely based on a true story I think but at the end they just talk about like the Coast Guard and like how there's like stories about these people getting like capsized or whatever.

34:56They need to be rescued in the water. And they say that someone like sits with them for hours. And then they're always like, what about the other guy? They were with me. They were with me. And it's like, no one else was there with you. I fully believe that. I hear so many stories like that. Especially stuff from the ocean. The ocean is like one of those places that like, maybe we need to do an ocean episode someday because the ocean is insane. There's so many lakes, the great lakes, water. yeah yeah just in general there's so much like there's a lot of spooky stuff going on in in bodies of water but I totally believe that about the coast guard that there's like another guy there I think that's why it's literally called the guardian it's all making sense now yeah yeah wow oh my gosh okay moving along to this next one we're getting into a phenomenon I'm really excited to talk with you about and I have a story for your episode we're doing for your show.

35:50Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. That kind of has this similar thing like time slip, alternate reality. So I'm really curious. You guys might remember the story I'm hinting at. It's in, I think, the very first spooky episode we ever did. It came from a listener who's a paranormal investigator. And I actually just had him email me a couple more stories. Oh, my gosh. I'm sure this year he's seen so much. I just got one back and it was actually like, I'll tell you about it. I'll spoil it for you, but no spoilers for you guys. And it's one of the best stories I think I've ever gotten. Wow. It's really good. But this one is up there too.

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36:59Availability, amount of discounts and savings, and eligibility vary by state. Okay, so this one is coming from our very own Tuha Takes subreddit. It's a year old. I actually read it on a Patreon spooky episode a year ago now. Okay. So I'm pulling it from my vault because it is not good. Because it's so good. It is titled, The Night I Started Believing in the Paranormal. Hi, y 'all. I'm watching the most recent podcast and heard y 'all were looking for some spooky ghost stories. And I've got one that still creeps me out to this day. Sorry in advance for the long post, but I want to get all the details in.

37:33LOL. Now, just to preface, this story happened a few years ago when I was still in high school. I grew up in a small town, so it was often hard for us young, angsty teens to find things to do. Me, now 21 female, and my best friend, also 21 female. Our usual Friday night consisted of driving around aimlessly trying to find something to do. This night, it was me, my best friend, who I'll call Cindy, Cindy's boyfriend, Aaron, and Aaron's best friend, Zach. Now, on to the story. We were doing our usual routine of driving around the nearby big city when Aaron decided to call up his other friend who lived nearby.

38:12Now, this friend I'd never met before, but Aaron said he lived in this small mountain town close to where we were driving. I'd never heard of this town, but it is known for its history in being an old copper mining town. The friend didn't answer, but we decided to drive up that way anyways as the friend had a cool car Aaron and Zach wanted to look at. Big car guys. We start driving up there and mind you it's close to 2 a.m. at this point. We had driven on dark roads throughout this entire night and the vibes were all good. We're driving on this dark barren road when we pass under a bridge. Immediately I become overwhelmed by this eerie feeling.

38:52Something just felt off. I thought it was just me experiencing this, as everyone else was talking and joking about, so I brushed it off. By the time we get up to the town, Cindy was passed out in the passenger seat. I was sat behind Cindy, and Zach was sat behind Aaron, who was driving. The second we start to see houses, we all collectively agree that something about this town was just off. The streets looked impeccably clean and polished. the sidewalks all completely smooth as if the concrete had just been laid. I had made an offhand comment about how it felt like we were transported to another time.

39:31The boys in the car collectively agreed with me, all of us acknowledging how it felt like we had passed through a portal straight to the 1930s. We continued on the drive, making jokes in an attempt to lighten the strange atmosphere we had stumbled upon. At this point, I chalked it up to the dark night and the fact that the whole town was likely asleep. Then we see the park. Now here's the thing about this park. It wasn't a full-on park, literally just a plot of grass with huge, I mean huge-ass trees. The road allowed you to loop completely around the park and it was absolutely empty when we first arrived.

40:09Aaron makes a comment about the park saying he had taken pictures of his car in it before. Then he decides to drive around the park and show us where the photos were taken. As we begin the loop around this park, I feel this creepy feeling begin to intensify. The best way to describe it is it was like a heavy weight pushing down on the air in the car. At this point, it's close to summer, so all the windows are down as we're cruising along. Once we get close to the end of the loop, I spot a couple of deer outside my window. This was the first and only sign of life we saw the entire time we were there.

40:44No people, no other animals, no cars, just three deer. Aaron pulls over so we can get a better look at them and then decides to call his friend again to see if he would answer. At this point, I'm watching these deer and trying to distract myself from this seemingly unwarranted anxiety I was feeling. While Aaron was on the phone, Cindy was still passed out and Zach is staring out his open window, which faced the park. Not long into us being parked here, does Zach start to yell and frantically try to roll up his window. Both Erin and I were shocked by Zach's sudden screaming and both go look at whatever had freaked Zach out so much.

41:24When I look out Zach's window, I saw something that I still cannot explain to this day. There, sitting beside one of the large trees, was a pure white figure. So white it looked like it was glowing. I got a pretty good glimpse at this figure, and it almost seemed blurry, but you could clearly make out the shape of a hooded person. It appeared to be kneeling with its head bowed, almost like it was praying. At this point, Zach is screaming for Aaron to get us the fuck out of there. All I could do was freeze in fear and stare at this figure sat alone in the park. Aaron, after getting a good look at the figure himself, proceeds to kick the car in a drive and hightail it out of there.

42:08This all happened in probably a matter of seconds, but everything seemed to move so slow. I remember so vividly how my heart was pounding and how paralyzing the atmosphere felt. I almost remember telling myself to not look back at whatever the hell the thing was and just focus at the headrest in front of me. The car ride out of town was completely silent and we only began to discuss what we had seen as we descended down the mountain. Just as we passed under the aforementioned bridge, it felt like reality snapped back into place. The atmosphere lightened and the world looked back to normal. At this point, we were all freaking out about what happened and I was surprised to find that the boys also felt this snap.

42:53The best way we could summarize it, it was like waking up from a dream. At this point, Cindy finally wakes up after sleeping through the whole ordeal and we begin to tell her the story. I normally would have summed this up to us being tired and it being dark, but what really cemented what I saw was the fact that both of the boys saw the exact same thing. We all described the exact same hooded figure kneeling with its head bowed. I was the type of person who if asked, I would have said I didn't particularly believe in ghosts. I liked the idea of ghosts and the spooky ambiance the subject brings, but I didn't believe in the slightest.

43:31I am a pretty rational person with very science-based beliefs. After this experience, I would say I do believe that the supernatural is possible. I'm still unaware of what I saw that day, and I don't think I'll ever truly know. What I can say is that since that day, I feel almost a heightened sense when it comes to anything paranormal, especially considering I 100 % believe that the house I currently live in is haunted. But that's a story for another time, lol. However, one thing I truly will never forget about this experience is how when I looked at that figure, a cold fear I'd never experienced before washed over me completely.

44:11I often think about how peaceful the figure seemed, and despite that fact, something in my gut told me to get the fuck away from it. That fact alone creeps me out still as I'm writing this. It almost felt like it was trying to put up this facade of innocence to lure us in. I have a good intuition and know when to trust my gut, and I'm glad I did that day, because who knows what that thing was capable of. Once I was home, I began doing some research on the town in some attempt to decipher what I had seen. While looking back at old black and white photos of the town, I realized how on that night, it looked exactly like those photos.

44:51I was pretty creeped out and haven't done more research into it until making this post. For anyone curious as to what town I'm talking about and wanting to do some research yourself, it's Coppertin, Utah. I'll link the website with the photos I saw at the top of this post. If anyone finds anything of interest, please do share. Whoa. I know. Here's the picture of the town that they share. Yeah, I want to see what it looks like. it's already old mining towns are so spooky oh it's very like granted this is an old picture right when the town was made it's pretty cute it's cute it looks very liminal it looks like a liminal space a little bit that's a big word for me you've definitely seen pictures of like liminal suburbia okay where all the houses look the same it almost looks like a fake town like did you ever see don't worry darling okay yeah that is kind of like liminal suburbia okay where you can see the mountains in the back, but it looks like the town is fake, like almost like all the houses would be empty.

45:52It's so crazy. I, when I first saw this post on our subreddit, I actually commented and I was like, did you see any cars in the driveway? Like, yeah, if you went back in time, like my first thought was like, would you see any old cars in the driveway? Right. Yeah. And OP said that they didn't notice any cars. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Damn. I know. Cause I would be curious if this was some sort of time slip. My first instinct was the back rooms. I know that that's. Yeah. What is that? So the back rooms is a creepypasta about liminal spaces. Okay. Everyone has probably seen the office space. It's very severance, the first level of the back rooms.

46:30But the idea of the back rooms is like you could at any point during your day accidentally slip into this liminal space that kind of feels like an alternate dimension. It feels like you're the only person there and the lights are just wrong enough and the walls look weird enough that it just doesn't feel like you're in our reality. Oh my God. So the idea that they drove under this bridge and that was some sort of portal or something into this neighborhood that just didn't feel right. And it felt abandoned. It felt like they were the only ones there. And also in back rooms lore, there's always an entity.

47:02There's always some sort of entity on each floor. And so it's almost like this white glowing figure was the entity in this level of the back rooms. I have never heard about this back rooms before. I love the back room so much. I did a whole episode on, I did an episode of times that people have accidentally wound up in liminal spaces and gotten trapped. And it was really spooky. Like there was this one woman who she remembers being on a flight in Canada. This happened up in Canada. She's on a flight and drink service starts. She puts her head on the window falls asleep she wakes up plane is pitch black there's no other people on the plane the pilot is gone what she looks out of the window she realizes that the plane had landed and moved into the like everyone left and moved into the storage unit that holds the plane at night and she had been sleeping and no one thought to wake her up and get her off the plane so she was trapped on this plane i'm no no no like she actually this this is real this yeah it was They forgot to get her?

48:01I forget the airline that it happened on, but she sued the airline. No one woke her up and they forgot to get her. She's stuck on this plane. And a plane, you can't just open the door and get off. You're high up. So she had to figure out. And if you've never opened one of those doors, it's actually really hard to open one of the doors. And it was pitch black at night too. And it's not like, yeah, you don't just open the door. You have to crank the whole thing open. And even then you can't just really jump down. No, it's big. She was able to get rescued, but the whole episode is about times that that has happened to people where people wake up after surgery and are the only person because they're on the abandoned floor of the hospital and they don't know how they got there.

48:38This is my nightmare. People walk into the stairwell of a mall and can't get out because they get lost. Like, it's just there's so many spaces like that in our world. It's reminding me of Denver Airport. And I don't remember. I saw a video on TikTok of like a guy who was like, I'm in Denver Airport and I'm trying to get to my next gate. and I've been walking for miles and I'm not going anywhere. I'm like literally I'm trapped in this airport. I don't even know how to get back. It's like the woods in the Blair Witch Project. You're like, I keep walking past the same gate and I'm not getting anywhere.

49:11Yes, it is very much that. That would really bother me. I have a really hard time on planes, like a really, really hard time. I'm scared of flying. I'm actually, I'm going to test out beta blockers, but I have to test it out before my wedding because I want to take a beta blocker. on my wedding day so I don't cry as much. Maybe this is my health thing. For the photos? I just like don't want to be up there trying to give vows and I'm just like... Yeah. I literally... Like I have a hard time with some of these Reddit stories but like that I can edit out and like me and Lauren will literally be crying like for a minute straight but we can edit it out.

49:44Of course. You can't do that when you're up there. No. And it's mostly just because like you feel that like that craziness in your heart. So... Yeah, definitely. I got some beta blockers but I'm like I need to test it out before the wedding. But now that I'm saying this out loud. Are beta blockers, are they the ones that you take like in the emergency or do you have to take them every day for them to work? No, you usually just take them before big things. Like I know a lot of like standup comedians will take them before live shows to keep their heart rate down. I think that's what I take on planes then.

50:15Okay. So maybe a plane is a good place to try it. So what I did, cause I was also kind of scared to take them first. Cause I have anxiety, I have anxiety that's really bad. And then I also of anxiety about taking things. So I like get the medicine and then I'm like, what if it makes me panic more? We are the same with our fear of planes. I know. Truly. Chondriacism? Hypochondria? Hypochondriacism? Yeah. Hypochondria. I think it's hypochondria. But how do you say that as an ism? I don't think you have to. I don't. Do you have to add ism? No, probably not. Both of our hypochondriacism. We're both hypochondriacs.

50:47What I did was I took one the night before the flight while I was just packing just to be like, test it out. Does my airway close up? Like, do I panic? Do I see the hat man? Like, does anything bad happen? And the answer was no. And so I took one on my flight the next day. Was it good? It's really good. I understand now why they only give you eight pills. I feel better already. In one serving or like one prescription because like, it's really good. Okay. But it did make a huge difference. Like normally during takeoff, I am white knuckling my seat. Oh yeah. Takeoff and landing. And it was like, I didn't even remember takeoff.

51:24Not in like, Oh, so messed up. I didn't remember. I just like was not focused on the fact that the plane was leaving the ground at all. I was like on my phone or listening to something. And it was, it was great. I think it'll help you a lot. I think I need to try it because, and this is kind of like a paranormal weird thing. Like when I'm flying, I have final destination type dreams. So in my dreams, I will be sitting on the plane. I'm the window seat and I'll fall asleep and I'll put my head up against the window. And then all of a sudden in my dream, like the bells start chiming on the plane and like all of a sudden I look out the window and like the wing snaps off and the plane is spiraling down.

52:03Oh my gosh. Sometimes I wake up as we crash but then there was one time I survived through the crash and I remember I was like towards the back of the plane and like I was like crawling out through the window but like I could feel my skin charred and I felt like the smoke in my lungs in my dream and then I snapped back and I'm awake alive on a plane oh my god so I'm like that's really scary let's go that is pure anxiety I know that's really bad but that like to me that feels like a weird alternate universe time slip thing on a plane like because it feels so it feels so real and you're like okay so either I am a prophet chosen by God to see the future or I just have really bad anxiety that's what's making me dream this and every single time I'm like no I am seeing the future this is going to happen but that's the anxiety speaking and so like the meds help with that at least it's so I'm like genuinely I don't know what it is about a plane and then the other day we don't understand how they work and it's like it is a very unnatural thing for humans to do and i have to do it so much unfortunately like i just i wish i could take a wagon i know and it's like i thought with how much that i fly it's like exposure therapy and i would one day and it's no not at all it does not help the more i fly it does not make me feel less anxious it's just the weirdest thing it's so bad what do you think the figure back to this yeah back to the story what do you think the figure was I don't know I was trying to figure that out because it sounds like it what did they say it was so white it almost looked like it was glowing but it wasn't necessarily glowing and it was kind of blurry I don't know it felt like kind of ghosty kind of like an omen the fact that it kneeled down and started praying was also very strange it it reminds me a little bit of like almost the movie The Ritual where there's like maybe something in.

53:57Oh, it looks terrifying. Oh, it's horrible. Like in the best way. It's one of my favorite horror movies, but it is very, very scary. But the idea that that thing came out and it bowed down, it's actually worshiping the scarier thing that's in the woods that you just haven't seen yet. Oh, hell no. Like this is just a foot soldier for the really horrifying thing that lives there. So I don't know. Yeah. I, at first I was like, maybe, I think I said like when I first read it, it was giving me like Grim Reaper, like a different version of the Grim Reaper. Yeah. Because you were saying, you were telling me before too, sometimes people see the Grim Reaper as a white figure, not a hooded black figure.

54:40Yeah. There's actually a couple Reddit posts I've seen on it. And I probably looked this up on the original time I read it. That's really scary. See, that to me is final destination stuff. If you saw the Grim Reaper and you escaped alive, is death just coming for you in other ways now? Yeah, like there's this one from r slash ghost. Saw a Grim Reaper white cloaked man at bedside. Several weeks ago, I was awoken to a man in a Grim Reaper cloak, face covered, standing at my husband's side of the bed, sort of looking at his nightstand and at him. In no way was I dreaming. I was terrified, paralyzed with fear, pretended to be asleep.

55:14As I did, I cracked my eyes to see again and he was gone. Did they write any follow-up? Like, did their husband die? Ugh, that's so scary. Isn't that terrifying? It would be so freaked out. Grim Reaper in a white robe. It's another post on Paranormal Encounters. Wow. Saw the Grim Reaper as a kid. It was a white hooded figure in a doorway. So I feel like a lot of people actually see the Grim Reaper white. Which is interesting. I guess there's a lot of white light associated with death. Going to the light. Going to the light. White. Yeah. Yeah. Do you see the light? Heaven is a lot of like angels in white.

55:53So it wouldn't surprise me that's like other beings that they're seeing from beyond the veil are also cloaked in white maybe. Yeah. Well, like the Grim Reaper. I'm so curious where the origin stories of the Grim Reaper came from because you see it in like all of these movies. There's always like someone that's like a guide to like be the bridge or whatever. And so I'm like, was the Grim Reaper, why did he get such like a negative like association with like Dark and the sickle and like a hooded figure and scary Grim Reaper? Yeah. Because yeah, okay, death is scary. But like who's to say the Grim Reaper isn't like a happy little glowing white man who is like your little bridge, your buddy as he drives you up?

56:38Yeah, I mean, I guess it would depend on the time period that the origin comes from. Right. Because the idea of like dying peacefully as an old person is such a luxury that we have today in our society. Back in the day. OK, that's true. You were dying of horrible illnesses and infections and your village being pillaged in the middle of the night and other war things like it was a lot more grisly. And they were just like throwing the bodies in these masquerades and stuff. so yeah this like peaceful death thing that we get to experience now is it really is yeah I death wasn't always looked at as like oh he's taking you over the rainbow bridge it's like okay you weren't see this is why you have smart people on your show I mean that's just my guess I actually I should have like looked into the origin of that at some point but that would be my guess.

57:30This is a new Heart Starts Pounding episode sometime soon. Grim Reaper originated in 14th century Europe as a personification of death during the Black Death pandemic. That makes sense to me. The sick, I said it right the first time, didn't I? The sickle? Sick? Yeah, sickle. What's the? S? Scythe. Scythe. Yep. The scythe symbolizes reaping souls like wheat. there you go like so many of them there was so many of them at the time that was a really grisly way to die too so black death yeah people just in the streets screaming the whole way yeah it was not a fun time i would know i was there no reincarnated okay well on that note let's move along to the next one on that really beautiful happy note This episode is brought to you by PayPal.

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59:06And discover custom playlists on Spotify, built just for you based on who you are and how you listen. Live your story with Coach. Learn more at coach.com. So, uh, yeah, death. We all do it eventually. So let's talk about a funeral home experience. Ooh. This is coming from r slash paranormal, 21 hours old, titled weird funeral home experience. I work for a cleaning company and we do mostly residential homes, but we have a few buildings we take care of as well. We clean for this local family chain of funeral homes weekly, and one of the buildings is a lot stranger than the other. I get the weirdest feeling whenever I enter this building and I constantly feel like I have to look behind me because it feels like I'm being watched.

59:57The workers here are super friendly and they are always just in their office. They've never once hovered in the nearly four years I've worked here. One day I cleaned all the areas that are for the grieving. Bathrooms, kitchen, casket, display room, and I had moved to the back where the staff bathroom, flower delivery room, and kitchen area were. Back in this area, there is also the entrance to their mortuary. It is not uncommon for them to have caskets out ready to be wheeled into a display room if there is a funeral starting shortly after I'm supposed to leave. When I was cleaning the bathroom, I had my back to the door while cleaning the front outside of the toilet, and I get a weird sense I'm being watched.

1:00:40So I turn around and I see a man looking at me. After a few seconds, he walks away. So I jump up and look out the door down the long hallway. He wasn't there. The weird part about this is that he wasn't a worker, as I have seen and met all of their staff, and he wasn't in uniform. He also wasn't a flower delivery man because there were no flowers in the delivery room. He couldn't have been a funeral guest because they had no funerals or appointments that day. He made me so scared I haven't been alone in there since. There are other instances where workers have been freaked out there too. One co-worker said she was vacuuming the lawn hallway in the back where they have the rack for jackets and they just started swaying at random and not gently swaying.

1:01:31The other weird thing about this is that the other building doesn't have this feeling or any weird stories like this. And we've had a contract with this company for a long time. The other building is almost light feeling. Like I haven't looked over my shoulder once while there. Anyways, this happened to me a while ago, but I still think about it. It was so strange. And after going through this subreddit, I felt like I needed to share. Whoa. I've always wanted to do an episode on scary funeral home stories. Oh my gosh. It's hard to get stories specifically from funeral homes, ghost stories. Do we have any out there that listen that are directors or work at a funeral home?

1:02:13I would be so curious because... I feel like we got to have one. There's definitely... There has to be. We've got to have one. Someone who works at a funeral home or a funeral director. Yeah. Yeah, where the explanation I've got gotten sometimes is that a funeral home is where the vessel of the body sits in kind of this intermediate intermediary period. Like the person has already died. The spirit has already left the bodies in the funeral home and then it gets buried. So the idea that ghosts hang out in funeral homes is not really as much of a thing versus like hospitals where the person died or at the person's home or like the places that the person had ties to.

1:02:49it's like your your body's at the funeral home for like three days yeah and then it's gone so I would be so curious like who the man was was his body downstairs was it someone who worked there or like had some sort of tie to this funeral home but yeah most funeral directors are like no we haven't had any like scary experiences here which is fascinating to me because you would think surprising yeah for me that's surprising because I'm like if I was stuck in this liminal space I'm walking around I can see everyone but I'm out of my body I'd be trying to go put myself back in my body like I'd be trying to like where's my body so like I feel like if you are stuck maybe you have to be stuck in the place you died but I feel like for me I'd want to go like make sure my shell gets put in the ground the way I want go try to find it yeah yeah so like some people wake up in there like I don't know like something about funeral homes like really like like in the fridge They wake up.

1:03:44Yeah. So I'm like, I don't know. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think I told you this story about the scariest story I ever got from someone who works inside of a funeral home. This actually, I think, was on an episode of Radio Rental. But this woman, I don't think she was a funeral director. She worked at a funeral home or some sort of. It was a funeral home that also had a crematorium. They also disposed of bodies that way there. This woman comes and she has her husband's body. And she's like, he died. we have to do a really rushed cremation job because like in my religion, he like people have to be cremated really fast within 24 hours.

1:04:18And the person who works at the funeral home is like, okay, like totally want to respect your wishes. Let's figure it out. Whatever they figured out. Wife leaves and she's prepping the body. And she's like, this person's like really warm for being recently deceased. And just had this feeling of like, it wasn't as warm as a normal body, but it wasn't as cold as a dead body. So she kind of like starts freaking out about it. Eventually they do cremate this man. Morgan, no one ever came to pick up the ashes. Yeah. Because she killed him. Yeah. They could not get ahold of the wife after that. How did she get him there?

1:04:54Did she just like drive this body in her own personal car? Yeah. I wonder, or I guess I don't know if, right. Cause hospitals don't have to arrange the stuff with funeral homes because people die at home and then they just go to the funeral home you know so you can self-arrange yeah you can just self-arrange she must have just self-arranged was like yeah someone died i guess was able to get a death certificate or something i i don't know but this the person that worked at the funeral home was like i still think about this all the time this case this will haunt me forever that would haunt me yeah i'm telling you all right now i want jewish style three days okay wood box no metal i want to go back to the earth but just give me a bell.

1:05:35Okay. Just in case. Just in case. Like give me a bell because I swear to God, if I get put in a box and then I have to like suffocate down there or just give me a bell, just give me a little bell. It's fine. Those are the scariest stories to me. There's this La Recoleta cemetery in Argentina where there's a tomb of this 15 year old girl. She died in like 1904 sometime around then and she gets buried in her tomb and that night the guy who works at the cemetery the funeral the groundskeeper of the cemetery also they're all above ground tombs kind of like how you see in new orleans like crypts or whatever yeah crypts so he mausoleums he starts hearing banging coming from her tomb and he's like that's weird i sometimes i hear ghosty things so i'm not gonna think too much of it but her aunt comes and he's like hey i just thought you should know like the other night I did hear some banging coming from her tomb.

1:06:31I don't know what that was. I don't know if someone was trying to rob the tomb. You might just want to check because she's from a wealthy family. And so the aunt pays to have her tomb opened and inside of her coffin are just scratch marks everywhere. And she was like face down. So she had flipped herself over, scratch marks everywhere. She had definitely tried to get out. She didn't make it out? She didn't make it out. what the fuck but it was a thing it came out afterwards that her mom had been pursuing because she was she was 15 years old but she was set to be married to this like older politician in town and the mom was maybe pursuing him she also had this condition where she would faint so they think that the mom kind of took advantage of the fact that she fainted one night and was able to kind of very quickly have this funeral and get her buried oh my god she was definitely not dead that guy could have saved her he could have saved her I know the groundskeeper if he just like ran in there but so scary.

1:07:26So scary. Yeah. Maybe we start, we need to start bringing bells back. Yeah. We should start bringing bells back or like bury them with an iPhone. That's got to charge for at least a week. It's like, like the emergency button. You get an iPhone. Yeah. With, with just some sort of emergency button. Yeah. Send me down with something guys. I'm telling you right now, like send me down with something. What? I know. How long ago was this? I mean, it was early 1900s so it was 120 years ago but it doesn't really happen as much these days because we have ways to yeah exactly hospitals that check your blood pressure and make sure you're actually dead but i guess if you just die at home and your family just arranges really quickly for you to be buried it can still happen i know because like how does that work i really hope we have some funeral directors that can chime in on this because if you just die at home like if i died in my sleep.

1:08:17Like, would they have to do an autopsy? They don't have to. No, you have to have one ordered. You don't have to do an autopsy. Even if I'm just healthy 31 year old and I died? No, my uncle just died. He wasn't that old. And they had to order specifically order an autopsy because you could just be like, yeah, don't worry about it. Like, we'll just. That seems really fishy. Yeah. I know. Actually, this is a really interesting thing here in the state of California. so there was a cast member on this season of Survivor named Joe and so Joe really talks about on the season like losing his sister and how he's like made a big push for domestic violence laws in the state of California and so like I looked more into it and his sister was in a really really bad relationship according to like one article I saw was like attempting to leave but then died and joe thinks it's like very mysterious circumstances surrounding her death yeah and because she was still married to the partner who was not great at the time he had control over everything that happened afterwards so he did not order an autopsy yeah and so joe has been really pushing where in cases where domestic abuse and violence has been documented if that person dies and autopsy is mandatory.

1:09:44Like he's, I don't know if it's gone through yet, but he was really pushing for that. Oh, that's so great that he's doing that. I know because he's like, my sister wouldn't do that. Like what happened? Like, so he's really trying to get justice for her. And I think even afterwards, like the guy moved on quick and was seeing someone else or just some, there's a bunch of weird stuff with it. It's so weird. Yeah, there was just, there was that case of the dentist in Colorado who poisoned his wife. In the smoothies, right? In the smoothies. And she died. They couldn't figure out why. And he was like, no autopsy.

1:10:18What? Just demanded that they didn't do an autopsy. And luckily for the whole situation, he was dumb enough to have the cyanide sent to his office. So the office manager got the package and was like, this is kind of weird. Googled cyanide because she didn't know what it was. And the first things that pop up were all the symptoms that his wife was having. So she's like, I feel like I should call someone about this. Yeah. Called the hospital. That's how they figured it out. But just crazy. There's been a lot of poisoning cases like that recently. Yeah. There was another one that someone commented to us and told us to look into.

1:10:50And it was another guy who had like poisoned his wife with something used for hunting. Oh, really? Oh, forget what it was. Like, yeah. What would what would that even be? I don't know. We're going to have to find out. But like there's been a lot of poisoning cases recently. There was a the big high profile one in Australia, the mushroom poisoning case. Yeah. Mom has her husband's whole family over, invited the husband, but he didn't show up, serves them death cap mushrooms in a beef wellington. They all, two of them died, two of them survived. There was four people there, I believe. And the police ask her like, hey, so those mushrooms you served were death caps.

1:11:32They weren't like food safe mushrooms. Where did you get them? And she goes, oh, the Asian store. Mind you. Okay. She like there was no, she just thought if she said that no one would question it. Like, oh yeah, the Asian store is always selling death cap mushrooms. First of all, there was no Asian store that she bought them from. She just like totally made that up. I can't remember exactly where she sourced them from. Like all the stuff is coming out on the case now because she was just sentenced. Oh my God. But then there was another one in Brazil where this woman put arsenic in a cake and fed it to her husband's entire extended family.

1:12:06Wait, you have an episode on that one, don't you? I talk about it. So I have a whole episode from, it was our, we did it in February of this year. I feel like I listened to one. Maybe it was like a mailbag episode you did or something. I gave an update on it because I covered the Colorado dentist poisoning case. And then at the end, I talk about this Brazil poisoning case. And then in a mailbag episode, the day I put that episode out, the woman who did it took her own life in prison. So I gave, and then a lot more information came out. So I gave a little update about the case and like the mailbag episode.

1:12:38But that one was crazy because the family will never see justice because the mom who did it just like took her own life. Oh my gosh. It's just horrible. Poisoning is insane. She poisoned her own 10 year old son. She just didn't care. She just wanted to get back at her husband. Horrible. And this is why we have a true crime podcast. I know, I know. One note for you about the funeral home experience The top comment on this one Former office administrator of a funeral home here I heard a watery hello Hello Once when I was there sitting at my desk All by myself one dead Sunday afternoon I canvassed the area No one was there Oh my gosh Heartsoysprounding.com If you work in a funeral home I have a form Send me your stories I'll compile them all for an episode That's spooky This is someone else you should message them on Reddit.

1:13:30Their username is Blazing Entrails. Okay, I'll find Blazing Entrails. I don't love it. That sounds like slang for some really horrible illness. Yep. Yeah, nope. Not loving it. This episode is brought to you by PayPal. You know how a mom's bag has everything? Sunscreen? Snacks? A stapler? The new PayPal app is like that, but for your money. Shop, pay, manage your account, and earn rewards all in one place. And with purchase protection on eligible items, biometric security, and pass keys, you're protected at every step. Download the new PayPal app to get started. See paypal.com slash protection terms.

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1:14:53I'm an unbeliever and I've yet to experience anything paranormal. No matter what people say, I still have a hard time in believing in the paranormal, yet I'm curious about people's stories. I think a part of me wants to believe and wants to have an experience, but sadly, I don't think there's a way or place to have a guaranteed encounter. And then this is the top comment so far. This is a long read, so bear with me.

1:15:40I also tried to at least get him to drink the tank water. No luck there either. Occasionally, Ray would start screaming in his room like, stop and shut up or leave me alone, which was accompanied by loud banging on the walls. This mainly occurred at night. We assumed he was throwing stuff at the voices in his head since his belongings were often scattered. This isn't very uncommon with people suffering from severe schizophrenia? The only evidence of the contrary was we almost always found him in bed and his belongings were on his dresser on the other side of the room, and one time he had a black eye.

1:16:19We assumed he got caught with a ricochet from throwing a baseball he had. He always denied he threw anything and seemed legitimately scared every time we came in and checked on him. This wasn't what convinced me though. What convinced me of spirits or energy that could manipulate physical reality was I was lying on the couch watching TV at like 2.30am when all of a sudden the doorbell starts ringing like crazy. Think a stranger is getting chased down by Jason holding a knife and they are trying to get help type of doorbell ringing. It felt frantic, almost. I get up and walk over. Mind you, the door is like 15 feet away, and the door has a huge window built into it.

1:17:03The top half of the door is basically entirely window. As I'm walking over, I don't see anyone. I assumed it was another staff, so I open the door to see if they left a note or something. Nothing. I go check out the front. No cars. I thought it was weird, but whatever. I go inside and check if it was a resident. They were all asleep. I kind of brushed it off at this point, but as soon as I walk back over to the couch and right as I'm about to sit down, it starts up again. I'm fairly freaked out. I walk back over to the door and nothing again. I double check that the door is locked and go back.

1:17:41As soon as my butt hits the couch, it starts again. I sprinted to the door and swung it open halfway, expecting another staff to be crouched and laughing. No one was there. I started freaking out at this point because it would not have been possible to get away without seeing since the walkway to the door was enclosed between two walls of the house for about 20 feet. I only had to sprint 10 feet to the door and could see out the window within one foot. At this point, I'm genuinely terrified. I close the door. The second the door closed, the bell starts going off again, almost taunting me. I locked the deadbolt and ran from the door.

1:18:22This time, the bell kept going for a long time. This further drove home the feeling of it taunting me. I turned the living room lights and TV off, kept the walkway light on so I could clearly see out the window. At around three, the doorbell stopped and scratching in the walls an attic started. I spent all night huddled on that couch. I even took a write-up for not getting any nightly chores done. I wrote up a work order for maintenance to check for squirrels and check the electrical. They didn't find any evidence of squirrels and the doorbell circuit it looked okay. That was the only time the doorbell ever acted up, they said.

1:19:03I did occasionally hear more scratching in the walls on my shift. I doubt it was squirrels, though, since I don't think squirrels follow you around to scratch the walls near you. After that, I was a lot less skeptical of Ray. Wow, that is so spooky, hearing things in the walls. I, if I had stuff in the walls, like you know you can hear i can just hear the scratching on like sheetrock or plaster in my head and as you're walking the scratching just follows you yeah i'd i'd lose it i'd crash out yeah i'd crash out big time it's when they said so the first poster was like i don't know where to go to have like a guaranteed experience it made me think of one place that i've researched Waverly Hills Sanitarium.

1:19:57Have you heard of this place? No. Sanatorium? Sanatorium? Sanatorium. Okay. It's in Kentucky and it is this old tuberculosis hospital. It's always the TB hospitals. It's always the TB hospitals. But it, of all the places I've looked into, it seems to be the most guaranteed to see something. Just everyone I know that's gone there, all of my listeners that have gone there, all the reviews, it seems like everyone sees something whenever they go. Wow. You can buy tickets to go through their haunted house. Yeah, they have a tour. You can go tour it. They have, I think it's, you could go for like an hour tour or you can pay to spend the entire night there and do like a real ghost time.

1:20:34No. Which sounds very spooky. But there's apparently on like the third floor, there's a hallway and the tour guide just sends you down by yourself. And that's the spot where everyone has experiences. Jesus. I do want to go. I'm going to go at some point, but I'm a little spooked to go. I see I want Justin to go because he really does want to have like an official experience. He's had some weird stuff at our house and this is where I get a little conflicted on the ghost being good or there being something a little darker there. He like woke up one night and like at the bottom of the bed saw like a really dark scary like he describes it like really well but like a dark figure and then he said he felt all of a sudden like both legs got yanked down of his legs got yanked down yeah he grabbed his legs yeah whoa and he looked over at me and i'm still sleeping peacefully so like i didn't feel it but like he felt he's like no like it was physical i was awake and something yanked me down and even then he doesn't feel like he's had a paranormal experience no which is what does he think that was i don't know i think he like in his head he's like well like maybe it was like a sleep paralysis thing but i was like one you've never had sleep paralysis ever in your life before and you moved you got yanked down yeah and you saw something but I know people can see so I'm like I don't know I think he's trying to rationalize it looked at you yeah he was moving when I have sleep paralysis I'm fully and everyone I know that has sleep paralysis all my listeners with sleep paralysis you're you're locked in paralyzed you're not really looking at the person next to you or no because he like he he said he sat up and then like looked over at me to make sure I was okay.

1:22:18Yeah. You're not doing that with sleep paralysis. I know. So he, he still is like, no, I want, I want a real experience. And I'm like, what? That was a real experience. Yeah. So I'm like, Ida, I feel like Ida is good, but like, I don't know. I need to have someone come professionally. There could be something else in your house too though. Yeah. Maybe have someone come and just feel it out. Do we have any professionals in the Los Angeles area that can come help me? Just come get a read on the place. Come get a vibe. Do a walkthrough. Yeah. come get a vibe yeah just to see because I do feel good energy I've never felt the darkness but like him having that experience and then our camera kind of being weird lately I don't know what's going on it all started on the anniversary of um the lady who passed her birthday it was like the oh 30th anniversary of her death and that's when like the energy started picking up oh my gosh so yeah so I wonder if there's I don't know what's happening I know 30 is a big, big, big one.

1:23:16I mean, you always hear three, like 3 a.m. or whatever the witching hour is. Yeah. Yeah. Three. So maybe, yeah, something about the 30th anniversary. Yeah. Open something. Did you guys, when did you find the bone in your backyard? That was a different house. Oh, it was. Okay. Yeah. And I did have my animal experts because I posted this bone I found in the dirt in my backyard on Instagram and people were like, that's a cow. And I'm like, okay, cool. I don't have to call the FBI cool A scary ghost cow Dude I thought I was about to be like the rug TikTok lady Oh yeah like we have to call The FBI because there was human remains Found on our property You don't want that to be you But I'd be curious to go here maybe I won't Go down that hallway But honestly it does look like Just looking at the picture It does give spooky It's like very honestly very very big for a sanatorium and just like a lot of people had tb back in the day so they had a lot of patients and it was kind of its own city right because you had to keep they decided to keep all those patients away from people so it really was built as its own city so everyone that was there was sick for the most part yeah and some people would actually recover it was in a good area where like the airflow was nice and so some people would recover but a lot of people died there and there's pretty tunnels underneath tudor gothic architecture tunnels tunnels underneath yeah because they would bring food and supplies up from the city or up from the surrounding towns up through these tunnels but they would also the story goes send bodies from the morgue down the tunnels to the funeral homes so but you can you can go through the tunnels there Yeah, no.

1:25:00Okay, so I'm looking at the ticket prices. Only 20 bucks if you want to get in. Wow. You can do an RIP for 60. Oh my gosh. What does the RIP get you? It doesn't really specify up here, but they have a paranormal tour. You can do a two-hour tour in the dark. Come walk all five floors. Or you can do a public investigation yourself, which is six hours. Or you can do a group of 10 private investigation. Oh, there we go if they supply you with the I don't have any of the tech that people bring on those tours now everyone's got the radios and the Dousing rods and all that stuff. I don't have any I can reach out to my paranormal investigator See if he wants to join us.

1:25:41Oh my gosh Yeah, it'd be good to do that with i'm sure he has all of the gadgets where uh, where is this kentucky? Yeah, kentucky. Okay, we can do a trip. I know where my guy lives. He's somewhat close to that. Okay This is insane. Let's just give him a date and meet him. Oh, my God. Okay. Maybe not around Halloween because that feels like we'd open up some really serious energy. Yeah, you got to be careful. You let me know when you're ready to go. Yeah. But not around Halloween. That'd be fun. Okay. I like Kentucky. Kentucky's a good time. I don't know how I'm going to feel. Really? No, so that'll be a first good trip to Kentucky.

1:26:17Okay. Going there. There's a lot of paranormal stuff in Kentucky, I feel like. I guess it makes sense right it south was in the civil war yeah very very involved in the civil war yeah which um oh my gosh my ghost guy I feel like I he did say his name on the story he said his name was Jake I can say his first name Jake he's sending me some stories and like one of them actually he did do an investigation at an old plantation and it was really really like the energy there and like what he experienced was like really really hard really heavy i can only imagine i know so i feel like you hear just a lot and then didn't you see our girl annabelle in that plantation that burned down the not away plantation yeah didn't they see annabelle in the window or something crazy some people yeah some people on tiktok are like look at she's in the window annabelle man yeah the story with that is annabelle was on tour and she was in new orleans and then the Nottoway Plantation, which is, it was the largest still standing plantation of the Antebellum South.

1:27:23And it was, yeah, Nottoway Plantation, lots of bodies buried on the property. If you went on the website, this is always what killed me about this. You would go on the Nottoway Plantation website and it was like Nottoway Resort. And there was nary a mention. And they had a whole page that I went on the website afterwards. They have a little tab on their website that says history. And I was like, great. I would love to learn some history on this place. The history included why six trees on the property had the names they had because they were named after the Nottoway family. And that was the only history they gave you on the whole place.

1:27:58Who gives a fuck about the trees? Talk about the actual history. 155 enslaved people on the property, and they never mentioned anything about that. So like. That's what's so weird to me about like people having weddings at plantations. And it was all, yes, the website was full of people's weddings and just all these photos of people. They would do tours, did not bring up the history of the enslaved people on the property at all. Enslaved people built the house. Yeah. That's really bad. And it was just about, well, this guy, you know, he had a lot of trees and he had, I forget exactly what it was that he was known for selling.

1:28:31He was like the biggest salesman of some sort of crop in the South. And so he was one of the richest men. And that's what the whole tour is about. like okay lies but it's all burned to the ground that was a total loss our girl and i'm gonna see if i can find the picture annabelle in the window yeah people thought they saw a lot of different figures i've seen things as the place was burning yeah i saw a lot of like and it honestly like with my own eyes it did look like that maybe if i can find the video i'll try to post it on our instagram but as it was burning, like through the flames, you could see figures like walking through.

1:29:10Yeah. I mean, fire is very cleansing. Cleansing, but like releasing, like it releases a lot of energy just even to burn. And so I think a lot of people, if like a haunted location burns down, a lot of people think that like all the spirits are also released. I've seen that. And so that's why you can see the figures within the flames and stuff. I'm gonna have to find these pictures and post them for you guys. It was, yeah, I remember it happening at the time and like people really being excited about our girl Annabelle. So. Yeah. Let me know if you saw it because if I can't find it, I'm going to need you guys to drop the links.

1:29:46But okay, I've got one last personal share and then some photos. Oh, excellent. This episode is brought to you by PayPal. You know how a mom's bag has everything? Sunscreen? Snacks? A stapler? The new PayPal app is like that, but for your money. Shop, pay, manage your account, and earn rewards all in one place. And with purchase protection on eligible items, biometric security, and pass keys, you're protected at every step. Download the new PayPal app to get started. See paypal.com slash protection terms. Pink Panther us here. Coach and Spotify are teaming up to bring music and style together, and they want you to be part of it.

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1:31:09It wasn't sleep paralysis and I wasn't dreaming. It would wake me up from a deep sleep. One night, I decided to stay awake and wait. At 3.11, the door creaked open by itself and a whisper said, you're awake now. No. Whoa. Chills. I never stayed in that room again. Your turn to share. This is coming from username not a deer. I had a tough childhood and bad associations with my childhood home, so I don't ever know what to think about this. Poltergeist? Ghost? I slept with the lights on every single day. I do not remember a moment. I did not feel uneasy in that house. The least of it was stuff turning up missing and reappearing.

1:31:55I would find stuffed animals that had been gone for months sitting on top of the clean laundry that I'd washed myself right on top to find. I would half finish books and then they'd up and disappear and I'd wake up with them on the floor by the front of my bed. Kitchen implements were famous around the house. The shears or the good knife would go missing and then reappear in the knife block at will. Forks would turn up on random end tables. Once I was looking for my glasses, and when I turned around, they were right on the floor behind me. Hated that. There was a patch of grass in the yard that was very much the classic 3 foot by 6 foot grave looking area that no grass would ever grow no matter how well it was seeded.

1:32:39We lived on the site of an old railroad, and my father always said it must have been something industrial dumped or buried there. but the feeling of someone watching you was intense. The area around it had been landscaped so it was a perfect circle with the dead grass rectangle right in the middle. There was also always the sound of crunching gravel like someone walking up the path. It happened so often I quit thinking about it but now that I've moved out for years it really is weird. You'd hear gravel crunching in a footstep type cadence and then the porch swing would creak like the wind was blowing it back and forth.

1:33:14It was metal and set on a metal stand, so a very distinctive rusty metal groaning kind of noise. Sometimes it would go for over an hour, then it would just stop. Never anyone out there, but the swing was always swaying, even though it was under a covered porch near the house and protected from the wind. There was a mirror in my bedroom that my teenage boyfriend, now husband, hated. He made me cover it up with a blanket whenever he came over. It faced my bed, and I'd always slept so uneasily in that room. One night I was asleep and I uncovered it. I saw the quickest flash of a woman in a wedding gown looking right through the mirror.

1:33:54The angle I saw her at made it so that she would have either been floating or hanging. I pissed my parents off by taking it off the wall. I was not messing with that ever again. When my now husband saw the mirror down, he said, quote, did you see the lady? Writing this now, I feel a little ill. One last story, almost funny. It was just my now husband and I, teenagers upstairs and doing things we shouldn't have. We heard a feminine voice. I assume my mom yell, not a deer. Rosie wants out. Rosie was our dog. We dressed so fast in the, oh shit, my mom is going to kill you way of teenagers doing shit they shouldn't be.

1:34:35I book it downstairs. My boyfriend stays upstairs. I assume, trying to think of how to get out of this. Nobody was home. No cars. Nothing turned on. My dog, cowering under the table, wouldn't come out. I call my mom, and I can hear the sounds of her work going in the background. Needless to say, we did not go outside. Which I guess leads me to one last story that I forgot until now that I just kind of put together. Our house was surrounded by a little grove of pine trees on all sides. My mom was absolutely stringent about shutting the windows at night. No blinds open. Flood light on if you're going to walk the dog.

1:35:12One day, she jokingly, but not, said something about having seen something hopping through the trees once, and that was that. It scared her so badly that she never opened the blinds at night again. I don't know what the hell it was that she saw. I never asked her to elaborate. Ooh. Nope. Did you see the lady? He, they 100 % saw the same thing. Oh yeah. When, when two people see the same thing and they don't share and it's truly like, I saw it. What did you see? And you compare notes. That's when I know I'm like, that's real. Yeah. I agree. It's a hundred percent real. There's so many times where, yeah, it's like one person experiences something they convince themselves i'm crazy i didn't really see that and then finally they'll confess to their roommates and then everyone's like oh yeah we've been seeing that too we didn't think it was anything but yeah okay we all need to talk to each other a little bit more with the paranormal stuff okay guys even yeah what's interesting there was one story i covered um last halloween where there was a group of guys in a frat house i want to say in ohio they all felt like something was off about the basement but none of them ever said anything to each other oh no guys and they i think some of them were like seeing this guy outside of the house that didn't look like he belonged there it was weird and then um one of them kept having to go down into the basement and he was like something's wrong but i think i'm just scaring myself there was fully a person living in the basement and uh because it was like a it was like basically a fraternity house so many people were in and out that no one ever really noticed it, but there was in the basement, this locked room basically off to the side.

1:36:54It was like a utility closet and someone had been living in that utility closet for a while. And it was someone who was a little bit older than college age because one of the guys admitted that they had seen him walking up the stairs, but like thought it was just one of their friends once, but it for sure was just this guy who was living in the basement. the hell that whole concept of like someone being able to live in your walls or like in a closet you don't know about or in your attic really really freaks me out like anytime I hear something that's like bigger than a raccoon up on the roof I like I've sent Justin up into the crawl space the attic before to like be like can you make sure like nothing's up there no one up there because it happens more I even had a listener write in that was like a story just like that no that she had been dog sitting for someone and she kept coming home and the furniture would be moved just a little bit.

1:37:46Same thing. She starts convincing herself she's crazy. Then she noticed that the wash would always be in the wrong. Like sometimes the dryer had moved back to the wash and the wash and moved back to the dryer. And she was like, someone is swapping out the laundry. She calls the police twice. Both times they tell her she's crazy. She ends up calling the cops one final time when she comes home and the furniture has like for sure been moved. Like the table, coffee table was in front of the door everything couch was blocking the entryway to the bedroom hallway the police come back they go upstairs and they find that they had missed that there was a guy in her attic essentially there was a little drop down area where he was kind of sneaking back into oh my god and yeah he was a fugitive on the run who had been just taken up he had some this was also in kentucky funny enough what is what is going on in kentucky if you're a listener from Kentucky are you okay are you guys going over there uh he was called like the mole man or something like he had a nickname stop they had all given him why and he even mentioned while they were dragging him out too and he mentioned he referenced a conversation he heard the girl having with a friend because she called a friend being like I think I'm crazy but there might be someone in the house and he referenced that conversation like yeah I heard you have that conversation you were right the whole time and then they hauled him off into the cop car no I hate it This is why home security stuff is so important I know But then you gotta make sure your ceiling mole man doesn't know the code Well but then you read a story like BTK Where he worked for the company that installed all of the home security Units And then I know there's always something It's like no matter And here's the thing with like the whole thing No matter how safe we can try to be Sometimes it just It doesn't matter Like it's just like people are going to truly be people and be crazy and be scary.

1:39:38And it is so incredibly rare for there to be another human being living in your house. Normally that is not what is happening. Okay. That makes me feel better. But every now and then it is. Well, that's a great transition into this one because this person, something's going on in their house. This is coming from r slash paranormal. It's titled freaking out right now. What is this? I'm the only one home I went outside to feed our chickens And looked up and saw this in the bathroom window I took a picture and zoomed in Looked back up and nothing was there Oof So this is the first picture this person shares, okay?

1:40:16Okay, it's just a normal house Three windows on the top Two on the bottom And then when you zoom in on one of the windows You see that face? Oh my gosh It looks like the nun From the movie That's literally what I thought It's someone with a powder white face and you can see the indents of the eyes. These black indents. It looks like a woman. Like maybe she has really dark stringy hair too. Yeah. Dark hair. Ooh. Someone's in your house and then they post another picture. Like sure enough, nothing in the window. Gone. Gone. So. I wouldn't go back in the house. I mean, speaking of someone living inside of your house.

1:40:58Who's in there? No. nope I'd be burning it down cleansing it cleansing it for sure cleansing it oh my gosh okay so moving on to our next picture here the ones that pictures are always the scariest it really really messes me up this is what I couldn't fall asleep over because then I'm just starting to like I'm falling asleep and I'm just envisioning that woman's face like in front of my eyes as I like open my eyes to wake up so this is from r slash paranormal again titled Blood-Colored Footprints Keep Appearing on My Garage Ceiling. I've lived in this apartment for about a year and every day there are new footprints on the wall that are a weird color.

1:41:39They seem to be the right shoe and no left one, but I swear up and down that they move around just about every other day. I've had my friends come and look and they agree that they do move around and then disappear. All of these pictures are from the same day and I will post an update in a couple days to show the change since this is the first time I'm documenting the footprints. So here is one of the pictures. And these pictures? It's a shoe print. Where is this in the garage? The ceiling. It's on the ceiling? The ceiling. That looks like blood and it's a boot print. It is a full boot print. It's blood colored, like fresh blood too, not dried blood.

1:42:21It looks like it's shoe. It's not the right shoe. It's not both. Not both. And I mean, it's very clear. It's the ceiling. They posted it in paranormal. R slash paranormal. Because part of me. And there's so many. Have you heard of Hinterkaifeck? No. So we're doing this for Halloween. We're doing the story of Hinterkaifeck, which is one of the scariest unsolved mysteries of all time. It happened in Germany in the 1920s, but it's this family. They all live in this this farmhouse in rural Germany in the 1920s. And they start noticing things like that. Like dad goes outside one day, opens the door and there's footprints in the snow coming from the woods towards the door that don't go back out.

1:43:03And he's like, oh, maybe the neighbor came over or whatever. Meanwhile, one of his housemaids quits because she thinks the house is haunted because she keeps hearing people walking around upstairs in the attic. She thinks it's a ghost. Other people hear someone in the house. The whole family gets murdered. One by one. It seems like they each one by one got lured into the barn and were killed with a hatchet. And they think that a person had been living in their house for possibly a month or so. And the family was like, oh, I guess we have ghosts. What the? Just kind of like this person where you're like posting in the paranormal sub Reddit.

1:43:44Is this a ghost? And really, it's someone with a bloody footprint walking around in your house. I mean, it's on the ceiling, which is kind of weird, but still. I know. The fact that it's on the ceiling would weird me out even more. I know. And it's like it literally looks like blood. So the top comment tells them to spray them with hydrogen peroxide. If it bubbles, it's blood. Please record the experiment for posterity. Posterity. Whoa. Interesting. OK. So OP says, I'll make sure to do this and post an update. If you go to OP's account looking for an update, they do have this comment. And they also posted this in r slash unexplained, wondering how I could clean or test these weird boot prints for organic material.

1:44:27And they go, sorry for not providing an update. I know how unbelievable it sounds, but I moved out after a friend sprayed it with hydrogen peroxide and it had a very strong bubbly reaction. At the time of this post, I was in Florida for a bit for vacation, so I had a friend do the experiment for me. He never sent me a video, only did it on FaceTime, so I apologize for not being able to provide evidence. After further researching into Moro, Ohio court documents, there's been multiple murders at or near my apartment, so I decided it wasn't worth living there anymore and moved in with family. I don't have any plans to visit or gather any of my belongings because I'm so freaked out.

1:45:05When I build up the courage to return, I'll post a video. Baby, you have to call the police. I'm not going there without someone. If there's blood in your vicinity and you don't know whose it is, it could be part of a different crime scene, and the police need to know about that. What if someone else got murdered and this person doesn't know, but a neighbor, something happened to a neighbor, and he doesn't know, you have to, I would report that. I would definitely move out. That's great, but I would for sure try to report that. Well, you know what's weird, too? like I'm just like well how would they get on the ceiling there is that is very strange like but there's also like this weird you see this little hook I'm like you can't really tell what it is because the picture is kind of dark but I'm like there's a little hook there and then the other ones are by like the garage door opener that is so weird and it's like why why there like I mean here's what's crazy with one of those footprints so if you guys have seen garage doors that like they retract up onto the ceiling does not make any sense where those footprints are no and so the footprint is like if there was the garage door opener motor thing okay and then there's a track that goes down to your door there's some of these boot prints that are under the track yeah so to even get a boot to fit up under in the track like it would be very hard to get the bloody boot print up there if you were doing it by just putting the boot on your foot yeah and stamping it around and you know what that is not for the poster to figure out that is for the forensic scientist that gets sent to that crime scene to figure out so i would say definitely contact someone oh i would yeah i would just be too paranoid that it was it could be useful to solve maybe another murder that happened in the area i know and i'm like could it be sinking through the ceiling i don't know no i think i don't think so someone got hung upside down and then their boot just on the ceiling oh yeah maybe i don't know i yeah i really don't know how that would have happened gotta call ghostbusters paranormal and some ghosty bloody boots around but it looks very real and recent i mean ghosts can do physical stuff i've got this next picture to kind of prove it okay i've had multiple pictures sent in by listeners on two outtakes and father knows episodes of like scratches they got and like all this stuff but this is coming from r slash paranormal cleaned a dead woman's house and she didn't want me to leave with her things and this is the person's arm oh it looks like they got grabbed a full hand grab print and like hard yeah hard the fingers look well there's only four oh I guess the thumb is maybe underneath underneath they yeah that's scary because it doesn't it doesn't just look like a handprint it looks like some of the fingers are crooked or too small arthritis old lady had arthritis old lady but I mean original poster did say I was trying to leave with her stuff so what's up with that I know the story gives me shivers every time I think about it a friend of mine invests in foreclosed homes and invites friends and family to come and take whatever you want from a home that he was buying when I get there, it was cluttered to hell and smelled awful.

1:48:23Food wrappers, expired milk, receipts from years ago. It was filthy. There were about 15 of us masked and gloved up, scraping whatever we could find. But as we dug deeper into the mess, it became sad. Sentimental items started to appear. New clothes that were in gift boxes, old passports that were stamped many times over, handwritten letters, and many photos from the 60s and 70s. I looked over the photos and felt bad that I was scavenging what was left of this lonely woman's life. From the photos, it seems that she never had kids and she was widowed for a while. I ended up being the last one in the house.

1:48:57The sun just set, so it was quiet and eerie being alone in the musty home. My friend was waiting outside. As I took my basket full of things I had scavenged, I felt it. A cold, tight, tingling tug at my right arm. I nearly dropped what I was holding. It really, really felt like someone tugged me back. My body buckled backwards slightly. When I got home, I saw it right where I had felt it. The tug. Clearly a pressed handprint on my arm. This is not a sunburn. It never hurt. Hadn't been in the sun at all for days. The pale pattern of a hand stayed blanched on me for days. Wow. I hustled to get rid of the items and only after everything was sold or donated did the handprint go away what I mean no oh well first of all it's interesting the poster was like surprised that there were sentimental things in a foreclosed house because what do you what do you think is going to be in there I mean trash like this was a real person who lived there yeah I feel like most people would think like I mean it's clear she might have actually died there and that's why it was foreclosed versus like, oh, they lost it to the bank but they still took their items and then she's just kind of scavenging with left.

1:50:21It sounds like that's what the friend does though. He invests in foreclosed homes so I feel like there's got to be some like weird stuff that he's got going on. That's insane. Very pro-ghost in this story, I would say. Give me my stuff. Give me my stuff back. What is crazy though, when I first looked at the picture, I did think, oh, sunburned and then like to try to explain the hand like when you're burnt and then you press on your skin to see how burned you are. Yeah. And then it like stays white for a second. But the fact that this stayed on her for quite some time until all of it was gone. That's scary.

1:50:55Also makes me think of when you are thrifting items and you don't know their history. Some people feel like they take stuff back with them when they thrift an item. I've never felt that from any of the items I've gotten. And I did just buy a dresser from another famous Hollywood actress. Really? Yeah. And like I found some of her needle. Like an estate sale? Mm-hmm. I'm a big estate sale person. I love an estate sale. But I've never felt that from any of the items. And like I found her needle work in some of the dresser parts in some of the nightstands or wherever it was. And it was like this beautiful sunflower she was working on and just never finished.

1:51:35Aww. So I can't throw it away. I can't bring myself to throw it away. I know. And so I'm like trying to find someone to give it to so I know they'll finish it versus Goodwill. And now I'm thinking about it. I'm like, did this stuff start in my house when I brought the dresser in? Oh my gosh, Morgan. What the hell? It could have. I need to evaluate that a little more. But okay. So capping us off with this last one titled, my uncle was murdered. A while later, my aunt took this photo. And so the first photo. Okay. It looks like the person was taking a picture of a snowy night. Yeah. Yeah. Looking out their window and you see someone in the reflection.

1:52:14Yeah. You can see the room reflected in the glass and it looks like there's for sure a person sitting behind her. You can even see the painting on the wall. You can see the couch that the man is on. Everything. Yeah. You see his like it looks like he's wearing glasses. Oh, yeah. I could tell he's wearing a black T-shirt. He has glasses. He's probably bald and he maybe has a little bit of facial hair. Okay. So then we do have a little zoom of it. Yeah. So you can see it even more. You can even see his hand. You can see the shirt. He's wearing a black long sleeve. And then we get a picture of what the uncle looks like.

1:52:55It is literally him. Oh, that's exactly him. It's him. He's even wearing a black shirt in this photo. And he has the facial hair and the glasses. The glasses. Maybe not bald, but really cropped hair. Uh-huh. Wow. Yeah, that's him. It's so crazy. So that photo, did they say how long after he passed away that the photo was taken? So I've been hanging on to this for about six to seven years. I would love to know what y 'all think. In 2017, my uncle was murdered. Now, I can't exactly remember if my aunt sent this photo a few weeks or a few months later. I can really go digging and find out if that's what's holding you back from believing me.

1:53:37It had been snowing outside. My aunt was home alone and decided to send us a picture of the snow. Within a couple of hours, my mom is blowing up the group chat, telling us to zoom in, asking us what we see. Wow. I go back to the picture, and sure enough, it looks like my uncle had been sitting on the couch in the reflection. Needless to say, my aunt was spooked. She insists she was home alone and didn't notice the reflection before sending the picture. My aunt is a no bullshit kind of person, and even if she had done a complete 180 in personality out of grief or something, she doesn't know how to edit or Photoshop.

1:54:09What made me finally decide to post this on Reddit? A couple of months ago, I asked my aunt to resend me the picture so I could show a friend. I never actually saved the original. It had been saved in the group chat files. I saw I saved the picture to my phone and noticed it's a live photo. I'm thinking, here we go. I can play the video and I will see my uncle completely still. Since in all reality, it was probably something on the couch that happened to make a reflection that looked like him. But no, he fucking moves his head to look at the camera. I know this is Reddit and a huge trust me, bro, but feel free to analyze and dissect the pictures.

1:54:46I'm confident they haven't been messed with other than the zoomed in pic of his reflection, but that was just me cropping the picture. I don't know how to post live photos on Reddit. So if someone tells me how I can post it for you to watch, let me know what you think Did they ever post a live photo? I had not looked and now i'm like I know i'm scared. I get that. It's kind of tricky because you have to save it, but Yeah, you can save a live photo as a video you can yeah Okay. Oh god. I'm scared to watch it. Does it post? Oh, okay. So at the time they had posted because this is a year old now They had posted an image gallery And then they posted like the data Time link to live Photo video but it doesn't It doesn't take you anywhere anymore I'll send OP a message Maybe we can see it Oh my gosh that is very Eerie But also beautiful I know like she's still there with you Yeah definitely Paranormal stuff y 'all I cannot wait to see your personal stories yes put it in the comments on instagram youtube wherever i'm also putting together another theme so if you want to share your story fill out the google form and i'll see if i can get to it this spooky season we did an episode for your show yes we did more listener stories some very spooky paranormal stories that happened to our listeners and so that's available that's going to be available the last week of october on the hearts are pounding and what else are you working on this month for your spooky season?

1:56:18October is going to be all. The theme is monsters, but we're doing kind of like the real life equivalent of certain monsters. So I'm doing like the vampire of Dusseldorf. It's the time that Dusseldorf, Germany thought that a vampire descended on their town because a lot of bodies started showing up and all of them had bite marks on the neck and some of them were drained of blood. What? Is this where Dracula kind of started? It was the 1920s that this was happening. This is like after Nosferatu came out. So this is post Dracula, post everything. And was it a serial killer? Was there really a vampire in the town?

1:56:54We get into it in the episode. And then we talk about the Hinterkaifeck story, but kind of under the, like the Hinterkaifeck story is our boogeyman. So we're getting into like boogeyman lore and then telling you the story of Hinterkaifeck. And so we do that with siren lore and we do that with werewolf lore as well. I'm going to tell you the real life equivalent. buckle up I'm very excited it's a it's I'm really proud of the programming it's gonna be really scary it's gonna be such a good month for you it's gonna be really fun yeah Kaylin's first episode will be out at the time of this but keep your eyes peeled for when ours comes I'll be sure to share it everywhere yes it's gonna be a good month over on Heart Starts Pounding and it was kind of always spooky season there but we really like to go hard for actual spooky season it's gonna be a good month but thank you guys so much for being here we'll have a bonus spooky episode on Patreon as well as the last one coming the week of Halloween.

1:57:43Thanks to our special guests, Annabelle and Gordy. Thank you guys. You were so well behaved. I know. Like really good today. Yeah. I really appreciate that. But Annabelle will be sleeping here tonight. So. Yeah. In the car. In the car. Say bye, Annabelle. Bye, Annabelle. Bye, guys. Bye.

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