240: Bruh..

32:57It just like even feels worse. So this is all from OP's mom. First message. My love, I think it's very important to be rational and seriously consider what I brought up. John 1513. Greater love has no one than this, to lay down one's life for one's friends. This also applies to family, my love. Your sister desperately wants to go to Dartmouth. I cannot afford your treatment and her future. With the news we received, it's really time to be practical, my love. You need to take your time with it, but please understand that I'm not perfect and I'm not prioritizing her over you. It's just the reality that you're worsening, and there's a high likelihood that continually draining our funds towards this end goal is a fool's errand because there really is nothing more to be done.

33:56Sacrificing her dreams is something you have to consider. I hope you come around and understand. Realistically, I'm the one who will choose, but it's vitally important you understand my reasoning. Vitally important. Wow. I would rather have told you this in person, but since you're not answering your phone or home, I spoke to Jesus instead and he told me to write you this. Wow.

34:26So that mom needs severe professional help. Clearly. That's sickening. Can you imagine? Talking to your child and saying you should get realistic and come to terms with the fact that you're gonna die. So I'm gonna pay for your sister to go to college instead and you know it's time to just get realistic my love it's also so crazy because I don't I feel like I've never heard of it coming from somebody else to stop treatment like it's always the a doctor no not not even that it's like it's the it's the the person who has the cancer like they're I always hear that everyone around them is like no keep trying and keep going.

35:16And then they're like, no, I don't want to. I'm at peace with it. I'm ready. And I don't want to live the rest of my life doing treatment. So the fact that the mom is the one trying to enforce this, like that's to me is almost unheard of. I'm like, I wish this person wasn't private so we could start a GoFundMe. Like, let the world pay for your treatments and forget this shitty family your mom should be dead to you like your mom wants you to be dead to her is that fucked up to say like that's what it feels like like your mom would rather stop your treatment to send your sister to dartmouth and like is that a big accomplishment for your sister yeah hey cool dartmouth sounds like a good school cool but does your sister need to go to dartmouth no like where does your sister stand in all this is she an entitled brat who's like yeah fuck it I want to go to Dartmouth I don't care if my sister dies like where's she in all of this it's giving golden child and scapegoat and we do get some replies from OP to mom that were also included in these screenshots OP says is this why you had me update my life insurance policy is this why you've been pushing scheduling my follow-ups i'm not gone i have dreams i have goals i'm only one year older than michaela why is she a priority over me i can still beat this i just don't understand why you're all giving up i've only been in treatment for a few months i can win and i'll spend the rest of my life paying you back like i promised and agreed to with the contract you had me sign.

37:02I just don't fucking understand this. I'm not going to fucking smile and say, okay, yeah, kill me for my sister. Literally. This is horrendous. It's horrendous. OP, if you are out there listening, seriously, fuck your family. Create a GoFundMe. Yeah. Put the screenshots on the GoFundMe. Absolutely. Seriously. This is insane. And then tag your mom. Insane. Like, this woman needs to be publicly shamed. Yeah, like, genuinely. I think that's what Jesus would want. I just spoke with him just now, this just in. He said he would like for the mother to be publicly shamed. Sorry, I didn't make the rules.

37:43He did.

37:48I just, like, it's so crazy because, I don't know, like, it's so insane to me when people are like, oh in the name of Jesus and they do all this shit and it's like Jesus would not stand for this like if Jesus came back today and like all of the people that believe in Jesus like if he came back today and saw what was going on in his name he'd be pretty fucking pissed I would think yeah I agree throw hands I agree like come on it's just it's fucking crazy to me but I really I I really, really, really like there's resources out there. Like OP, I believe is 19 is what I'm gathering based on some comments.

38:36I have to go to the account quick, but I, oh, account has been banned. OP does respond to a couple that I can see in the thread. So top comment. What the fuck? How old are you, by the way? OP responds. I'm 19. next comment down heartbreaking i've beat leukemia fucking smash it op responds sorry i fell asleep but i wanted to say you're amazing thank you for the much needed inspo next comment down don't let your mother claim you as a dependent on her taxes anymore you will be eligible for all kinds of assistance if you aren't claimed as a dependent on anyone's taxes yes next comment down sweetie Please talk to a social worker at the hospital and see about continued care.

39:27I really think you need an advocate. This. There are other ways, and you are still a teenager. Heck, there are also other ways to pay for college for your sister. Good Lord. You aren't overreacting. Yeah. Like, a lot of people are just like, OP needs to get their own insurance, and the mother can go fuck themselves over the money chokehold. Someone else goes, because of the Affordable Care Act, your mom can continue to cover you on her health insurance until the last day of the month that you turn 26. You can call your health insurance company, customer service on the back of your card, and explain the situation to them.

40:04Advise that you want the account password protected. Since you are 19, they shouldn't be discussing your claims in detail anyways without your permission. However, just to put more guardrails in place, I would definitely call and ask them to put a password on the account. Anyone who calls will need that password. I would also apply for Medicaid and disability as well. I'm so sorry your mom is so shitty. I would never do this to my child. Just kind of talking about how unbelievably selfish both mom and sister are. Yeah. And I'm really curious where sister is in all of this. Like, does she know?

40:36Is she like selfishly okay with it? Insane. But it's really sad. You got this. I like I read this. I'm like, I had no words. I'm like, what a parent? Like, what? You would say that to your child and just like write them off when they're not even gone? Yeah. It's heartbreaking. I mean, even like when my grandpa passed away, my mom was like fighting with like her family and the doctors to like keep trying. And, you know, and he was in his 80s. But my mom was like, no, like he has more like he has more life in him. Like and she, you know, It's just wild to think that, like, you could give birth and raise a 19-year-old and then say, hmm, that's enough.

41:29That's enough for now. Like, how? How could you just, how could you give up? It's beyond cruel. It makes me think that she's probably diagnosable. Absolutely. Yeah. Like, I don't think any normal loving parent would act like that. No. I'm very concerned especially with op mentioning life insurance policy Like is this why you had me update my life insurance policy? I would make sure your mom and sister are not the beneficiaries of that policy like you need to do that immediately right now I don't know like if there's other family you want to leave it to but like anyone else a stranger I would I would literally leave it to charity over my family that's trying to kill me a hundred percent And I would also be really, really making sure that your bases are covered in terms of your medical decision making.

42:26You can fill out with your hospital or just put it on file, but your power of attorney and your advanced directives and make sure that your wishes in regards to your care are clearly documented and it is legally binding. and like then your mom can't come in and be like yep pull the plug pull the plug we're done like make sure someone else if you need it is responsible for your decisions that is not your mom or sister yeah like and I think that goes for a lot of us out there like that's something that we had to do when um we got well when I got hired at a hospital like they encouraged us to fill out our forms and like make sure that our wishes are very known and I did a will recently and I had to do that as well like how long do I want to be kept on life support like do I want this do I want that and so I did that and like you pick who you want making decisions for you and so if you're not married but you've been with your partner for like 10 years you should fill out that form because otherwise if you go in your partner has no decision making it's your parents it's your next of kin, which for a lot of people can be horrifying.

43:43Yeah. Especially if you're like a part of the LGBTQ plus community. I was just thinking that like I've heard some really horrific stories because of that. Yeah. So download the form. You can literally download them online. All you have to do is get them notarized. It's a legal document and make sure that you're just covered in case you need it. It's better to be safe than sorry. But no update on this one. Again, we're going to have to keep our eyes peeled, but moving along. For adults with Crohn's disease or ulcerative colitis symptoms, every choice matters. Tremphaya offers self-injection or intravenous infusion from the start.

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45:45Shall I lighten the mood a little bit? You don't have to. I feel like I sounded like a harmonica. Yeah, that was pretty. I liked that. I don't know. Can't do it again. No, it's not the same. Can't do it again. Okay, this next one is coming from our very own 2HotTakes subreddit. It's two days old. It is titled, My boyfriend keeps a secret strike system for me, and I found it by accident. Oh, my God. I can't imagine how many strikes I have. I'm 28 female, and my boyfriend, 30 male, left his phone on the couch while he showered. A notification popped up from notes. I opened it thinking it was a grocery list.

46:30It was a document titled Girlfriend Strikes. He literally tracks my offenses with dates and points. Being late to his mom's dinner. One point. Not laughing at his joke. Point five point. Buying myself flowers. Quote, attention seeking. Wow. One point. At 10 points, he wrote, serious talk. And at 15 points, reconsider relationship. Wait. Wow. Okay. Hmm. I confronted him and he said, it's just a system to keep things fair because I'm emotional and forget what I do. I felt sick. Like I was an employee on probation, not a partner. I packed a bag and stayed at my sister's last night Now he is spamming me that I violated his privacy and proved his point Good bye Is this breakup material?

47:37A hundred million percent Or am I overreacting? No that's like the only way I would say that that's not breakup material is if he came back and was like oh my like some like Ross excuse from friends where he's like, no, no, no, no. Like my friends were like telling me like that it's a fun, funny way to blah, blah, blah. It wasn't that serious. Of course I would never do that. Like that's the only way I could say like, no, you could consider it maybe. But no, like you got to say goodbye immediately. Proving, this proves my point. Like respect my privacy. Like I will far, far, far away. Goodbye.

48:16Respect your privacy forever. Bye. Bye, bye, bye. Bye. You're a freak And it's just like it's not even Like the things he's giving her points for Is comical Late to my mommy's dinner I know Didn't laugh at my joke Unbelievable Bought herself flowers That attention seeking whore One point There's something severely wrong with you That's actually insane It's not like Oh said she was gonna arrive at 7 p.m and then didn't show up until 1 a.m and didn't call me and I was worried like or like oh like she hooked up with my best friend one point like then I would be like yeah no I get it if like you need to like for your own sanity kind of put it down and be like all right like I need to remember why like I need to question this relationship she hooked up with my friend like if that's if you need to write that out like whatever yeah like this is crazy it is and I I've heard of girls doing this too I've like I feel like I've seen a video from an influencer who like really talked about having an ick list for the guy guys they're dating or something like that I don't know like even that I'm just like I don't think that's I don't think like it's conducive to having a healthy relationship.

49:42It's like you're keeping score versus communicating openly with that person. Like this point where it's like being late to his mom's dinner that impacted him. He didn't like that. If he would have been like, Hey, I, you know, next time we say five, I'd really appreciate it. If you would show up at five, you know, it's just really important to me that we're punctual for these things or just like communicate like let me know you're running late that's way better than keeping a score that the other person doesn't even know about yeah you're not giving them a chance to address it you're not working on your relationship you're not making it stronger so you're only hurting yourself with this imaginary like score sheet you might as well just like leave I don't know why you're making doodles like just end the relationship if that's how you're feeling about it yeah um and like I'm also just putting together too so she said I'm gonna pack a bag and leave does that mean that they live together seems that way so and that that is even like wild even more wild to me because if it were to be in the beginning where it's like they've only been dating for like a couple of months and kind of like what you said like creating this like a quote-unquote ick list then like maybe I would understand more because he's maybe he's just fallen into relationships way too fast and like and then it ends up spiraling by all these little things so he's told himself that he's gonna like keep track like in the beginning of relationship to make sure that he just doesn't like dive in that would make more sense to me the fact that it sounds like they're serious is like and his issues are her buying herself flowers like how that's a diss on you Yeah, like she should be negative two points because I'm a shitty boyfriend and I didn't buy her flowers.

51:32It's like how insecure and pathetic are you to say that it's a negative for a girl to buy herself flowers? Like that attention seeking. I don't know what the word is for it, but it's like a certain type of like guy that thinks that way. And I don't know. I can't think of the word, but it's one that I don't like. I know that. Very insightful, I know. Okay, let's move along. Top comment on this one. No, that's messed up. Tell him his list equals 15 strike points, and you're reconsidering the relationship. Then break up with him. What a weirdo. Next comment. Perfect. Start a physical list. Make him watch you write, made weird list, negative 15 points, and then leave his ass.

52:23on a whiteboard. I would make it official. Yeah, absolutely. This comment also agrees. You could use a whiteboard or, as this person says, make it official. Use company letterhead. Stamp it effective immediately and CCHR, a.k.a. your best friend. Like, send a termination letter, essentially. Yeah. No other comments from OP. No updates. That's all I got. Goodbye. Goodbye. Bye, Felicia. Bye, bruh. G-month. Wait, what is that from? Amanda Bynes? Yeah, she's the man. She's the man. I love that movie. I love her in that movie so much. It's so good. That's one of my favorite movies. Truly. It's so good.

53:11I wish they made more, like, just happy, funny, cute rom-coms. Like, where have the rom-coms gone? Yeah. And quit marketing me a rom-com when it's not a rom-com. like they're taking advantage of me by making videos of the best cutest clips from a show or movie and then you watch it and it sucks sucks i'm sorry i'm trying to think of what i've watched recently that would be fun for you to watch i'll have to send you a list because like i'm pretty i know my rom-com is pretty well i'm ready for a good book too okay i just read well not just This was like two months ago. The new Hunger Games book from Haymitch's version.

53:54That's right. You said that was amazing. Loved it. But I'm really into like shapeshifter romance smut. Then why don't you read I-Qatar then? Well, do you have the book? Yeah. Okay. I'll borrow them. I can bring them over. I also, Kennedy just finished, I think it's called Plated Prisoner. Okay. And she's like, I'll never be the same. And she was like broken after finishing it because of how much she loves it. Damn. Yeah. So that could be a potential too. Okay. Well, let's move on to this next thing. Okay. It is time for a very special segment. This is new. Very new. This is the first time we're ever doing it.

54:41Thanks to our friends at Depop. This is called the full circle moment. Just like Depop keeps fashion moving in circles, we are diving into a juicy, crazy story with an unexpected twist. It came a little full circle, if you will. Okay. Okay. So this is coming from a user titled, may not be a lawyer for long. And the original post is titled, Today I messed up by accidentally becoming my client's wife's boyfriend. This happened a couple months back, but I saw a skit online that was scarily similar to what happened to me in real life. For context, I'm a divorce attorney. Been practicing for about eight years now, mostly family law stuff, generally pretty routine work.

55:36People want to untangle their lives. I help them do it legally. Everyone moves on. Let's flash back to last March. I took on what seemed like a straightforward dissolution case. Client, I'll call Dave. Nice enough guy, been separated from his wife for over a year, just wanted to make it official. Nothing complicated, decent retainer, figured we'd have it wrapped up in a few months, Dave seemed reasonable, not one of those vindictive types trying to burn everything down out of spite. Around the same time, I'd been seeing this woman, Sarah, for a couple of months. I met her at a coffee shop near my office, really hit it off.

56:18She mentioned going through a divorce, but I didn't pry. Not exactly first date conversation, you know. She had a different last name from what was in my client's files. So when I ran my conflict checks, nothing flagged. Everything was going great with Sarah. Really great, actually. We were taking things slow, but it was heading in a good direction until we scheduled the first four-way settlement meeting. I walk into the conference room with Dave, chatting about keeping things amicable, and there's Sarah sitting across the table with her attorney. So brutal. Did Sarah do this on purpose? I literally just stopped mid-sentence.

57:05My briefcase slipped right out of my hands and hit the floor with this loud thud. Sarah went completely white. Dave looked back and forth between us for what felt like an eternity. and I could see the exact moment it clicked for him. Oh, my God. Quote, are you fucking serious right now? Oh, my God. He said, not shouting, but definitely not pleased. Sarah started tearing up. Her lawyer looked like he wanted to crawl under the table. I'm standing there feeling like the biggest moron in legal history. I had to immediately excuse myself with Dave. Guy was understandably pissed. started grilling me.

57:51How long had this been going on? Did I know who she was? Was this some kind of setup to screw him over? I'm trying to explain that I'd been dating his wife for a couple of months without having any clue who she was. He didn't buy it at first. I mean, how could you not buy it? You saw their faces go white. You know, like I feel like the reaction was pretty genuine. quote what kind of lawyer doesn't ask basic questions he keeps saying i had to pull out my intake notes to prove the name thing i show him how the conflict check works basically convince an angry client that i'm incompetent rather than malicious oh poor op took about 20 minutes before he finally believed it was just spectacularly bad luck.

58:44Even then, he's shaking his head, muttering about how fucked up this whole situation is. I explained that I'd have to withdraw from his case and help him find new counsel. There's no getting around it. I've got a personal relationship with the opposing party, which makes it impossible for me to represent him properly. 100%, yeah. By the end, he'd calmed down enough to say, quote, this is the weirdest goddamn thing that's ever happened to me. Yeah. Still wasn't happy about starting over with a new lawyer, but he understood why it had to happen. The paperwork was a nightmare. Had to file a motion to withdraw since we were already in litigation, transfer all his files, deal with refunding unused fees.

59:28Sarah and I didn't speak for two weeks after that meeting. We were both mortified. her attorney spent forever trying to convince himself this wasn't some elaborate scheme even though nobody intended for this to happen it was still my screw-up should have had better procedures to catch conflicts like this doesn't matter that it was an accident you mess up the conflict check you deal with the consequences dave texted me a few weeks later but it wasn't friendly more like quote hope you realize this completely fucked up my timeline can't say i blame him and just to add insult to injury my malpractice insurance premium went up when i reported the conflict oh no yeah well at least you didn't get uh sued or kicked out or anything disbarred yeah I know.

1:00:23Top comment on the post is, I've been practicing over 10 years. You're not incompetent. And based on Dave's text to you, I think it's a good thing you had to withdraw. Yeah. Kind of makes sense Sarah's divorcing him because he sounds like an asshole. Yeah. So yeah, incompetent. Nah, you're a good lawyer. Embarrassed. Yeah, this one's not going to be funny for a while. I think it's hilarious right now It's like I also I mean out of all the mistakes you could make as a lawyer like this one doesn't feel that deep I mean he didn't do a thorough enough background check on the girl that he's dating like I I kind of like that because if he did it would make OP kind of seem creepy Yeah right Like he did what he's supposed to do he just didn't go the extra layer also there's so many Sarah's out there there's so many Morgans or Megans or Laurens out there like if she's going by a different name different that the husband didn't provide because like when he's doing the intake papers to get this lawyer he's probably like oh this is my wife's name these are potential aliases she could go by aka like if you got married and you became Lauren Johnson that person would put down oh well she could be going by Lauren Rolfe but if she's not going by you know Sarah maiden name she could be going by Sarah Snuffleupagus and the guy didn't know that then it's like it's not an OP right for not like prying this random Sarah right that he met in a coffee shop yeah hey what's your last name and what are some other last names you could go by and what are some nicknames you might have just gotta check for work yeah like someone would be creeped out right oh man but okay speaking of rom-coms like this is the type of stuff i'm talking about come on someone make this movie sounds really cute it does sound cute but but but no buts we do get an update okay Sarah and him are together fingers crossed does it come that full circle I hope so so it's been about seven months since the conference room incident and people have been asking what happened short answer it's been a mess oh no about three weeks after I withdrew from Dave's case I got called into a meeting with the senior partners Three partners are firm's general counsel and a rep from our malpractice carrier on video call.

1:03:03The managing partner slides a folder across the table. Quote, opposing counsel reported a conflict of interest issued to the state bar under Rule 8.3. We've been notified of a disciplinary inquiry. Fuck. Wait, opposing counsel meaning that Sarah did that? Sarah's lawyer. Yeah. Oh, no. OP says here, Dave's new attorney filed the report. They don't get to decide what happens. They just report potential violations and the bar takes it from there. I have to explain everything. How I met Sarah, how we'd been casually dating for a couple of months, how she used a different name socially, how my conflict check on her legal name didn't flag anything because I never connected the dots.

1:03:53The general counsel is taking notes. Walk me through your conflict check process. I explain the intake procedures, how the system works, how Sarah's legal surname didn't match what she had told me. It sounds worse when I say it out loud. Quote, there is a clear model rule 1.7a2 issue, material limitation conflict, the general counsel says. You were correct to withdraw under rule 1.16, but we need to understand how this wasn't caught earlier. The malpractice carrier rep unmutes. We'll need to document this as a circumstance that could lead to a claim. It'll be noted when your policy comes up for renewal.

1:04:33Great. The firm mandates that I complete an eight-hour CLE on conflicts of interest before taking on any new clients. They've already registered me for a seminar that Saturday, 8 a.m., of course. I show up at a hotel conference room with about 20 other attorneys. One of the instructors is Patricia, a divorce attorney I've opposed a few times. She definitely knows why I'm there based on the look she gave me. Part of the morning is standard material, rules, case law, procedures. Then we get to case studies and Patricia brings up Inri Johnson, a 2019 disciplinary matter. Attorney representing a divorce client starts dating someone, turns out to be the opposing party, discovers it at a settlement conference.

1:05:25Same exact situation as mine from six years ago in a different state, and I wanted to sink through the floor. At lunch, another attorney mentions he heard about something similar happening at a firm in town recently. Doesn't know it's me, but clearly the story's getting around. I finished the seminar, passed the exam, bring the certificate back to the firm. A few weeks later, the bar sends a letter. The inquiry is closed with a private citation, basically a warning that stays in their files, but isn't public discipline. Could have been worse. That's good. My malpractice premium went up about 15 % when it renewed in September.

1:06:07The carrier cited the reported disciplinary circumstance in the renewal letter. The firm implemented some new procedures for me specifically. For the next six months, I have to get conflicts pre-cleared by general counsel before taking on any new client. They also added mandatory AKA slash nickname fields to our intake forms and conflict check system. Seems like that should have been in there before, but okay. The worst part isn't the official stuff, though. It's the people that know. Not everyone, but enough. I've been called the coffee shop lawyer twice at bar events. Who cares? Last month, opposing counsel asked if I'd met the other party before with this look on her face.

1:06:58The story's definitely circulating. Some versions have me engaged to Sarah. One has me not finding out until trial. It's becoming one of those cautionary tales people tell each other. Haven't dated anyone since March. Deleted the apps. Before I did, I matched with someone who mentioned her divorce, and I immediately asked who her lawyer was. She unmatched pretty quickly. Can't really blame her. Dave, if you see this, I'm sorry, man. I really didn't know. I hope things worked out okay for you. Sarah, I hope you're doing well. Everyone else, just ask the basic questions. Run proper conflict checks.

1:07:43Verify AKAs. It's not worth it. I mean, this is probably just because I'm not a lawyer and not in this field, but I'm like, it really doesn't seem like it should be that deep. It doesn't seem like that big of a deal. like they realized before anything had really been litigated yeah i mean like it wasn't like op sat there and like got sarah the house exactly it was like being slimy yeah it was just like a true accident right i also feel like i don't know i'm nosy and maybe this is like not common practice but if i was a lawyer taking on a divorce case i'd be like oh can i see a picture of you too like as i took on the client just be like i want a face for the name like do you know what i mean yeah they include pictures in their files i feel that way too i feel that way about guys in general like i'm always like give me the tea give me the details show me a photo and they're like oh i don't know i don't know i didn't ask and i'm like oh ask ask the questions we need to know i know it's like oh that meme where it's like a guy's talking to his girlfriend he's like oh yeah jared broke up with Whitney and then the girlfriend's like why what happened I don't know what do you mean well when they break up I don't know were they having problems I don't know well what do you do after I don't know are you not friends I need to send you a video there's this one where this guy has note cards and he's like he's like when I what my girlfriend sends me with when I hang out with my buddy who just went through a breakup and he's like was cheating involved if yes go to next card if no like it's so good but I seriously I didn't realize this like a universal thing but I just I yeah it just it seems to be that a lot of guys don't ask the deets I'm like really trying to train Justin to ask way more questions like even one of his like best friends got engaged and I was did he do it?

1:09:52I don't know. In New York. And I'm like, what? Where? Yeah. And they're like, they're now planning their wedding. I'm like, have they decided on a venue? What are they doing? He's like, I don't really know. I'm like, you work with him literally every day. Yeah. What do you guys talk about? Yeah. What do you talk about? Nothing. I'm like, ask the questions. They talk about sports. I know. Music and nothing else. Crazy. Back to this one, though. I would like for OP and Sarah to get reconnected. I want them to come back full circle, but at least OP got a second chance at being a lawyer still. Like it wasn't, wasn't fired from the firm and disbarred.

1:10:35Thank God. Thank God. Um, I, yeah, I think OP sounds like a really sweet person and you guys should make the stories come true and get engaged. Give me the rom-com I would like. Yeah. Thank you. That's all I got for this full circle moment brought to us all by Depop. Just like in today's stories, sometimes something we thought was gone found its way back. Whether that's a friendship, an opportunity, maybe even your favorite piece of clothing. that's what depop is all about keeping style in motion and letting your taste connect with someone else's giving your clothes a new life because sometimes the best things really do come back around download depop to start selling today where taste recognizes taste i will also give depop a little bit of a plug here i was watching a rom-com actually one of the best movies I've seen in a while, The Fall Guy.

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1:12:11A little Depop plug there. Before we move along here to our next one, which do we want to stay on a lighter side or do we want to? Bam. Hit it where it hurts. You know, I was really trying to like Wednesday Addams this. Okay. But at the same time, that last story was like so cute and fun that I'm, I'm, you pick. Down for either. I hate picking. Hmm. I'll jump to this one first. Okay. Okay. Coming from our very own two outtakes subreddit, six days old, titled, my husband and my sister have become way too close. Uh oh. And I don't know what to think anymore. Wait, is this the light one or the dark one?

1:12:56You're not going to tell me. I'm not going to tell you. We shall see. I'm 27 and I've been married to my husband, who's 30, for two years. Things were good between us until my younger sister, who's 24, started spending more time at our place. At first, I was happy to have her around. It made our home feel warmer. But now, something feels wrong. They talk all the time. They text late at night and share jokes I don't understand. Sometimes when we go out, they walk ahead together laughing while I trail behind. No. It feels like I'm watching my own husband forget I exist. Oh, no. I tried to talk to him about it once.

1:13:42He told me I was being jealous and dramatic. Oh, no. Big red flag. My sister said the same thing, that I was reading too much into things, but I can't shake this feeling. It's like they have a secret world that doesn't include me. The moment that broke me was when I saw my sister wearing his hoodie. She laughed when I asked about it and said, quote, He told me I could borrow it. I smiled on the outside, but inside I felt something snap. I don't know if they've crossed any real lines, but emotionally, it feels like I've already lost them both. My heart keeps asking if I'm imagining it or if this is how betrayal actually begins.

1:14:29The latter. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Wearing his hoodie? I mean, that wouldn't be that weird without the rest of the context. But you would go to, like, your sister and be like, hey, is there a big hoodie of John's I can borrow? Right, exactly. Like, if you—you'd come to me. Yeah. If you were at my house and you were cold, you'd come to me. Yeah. Like you wouldn't just be like, oh, can I have a sweatshirt? Definitely not. Ew. It's so wild to me too because like I feel, even though I feel like I'm friends with my friends' partners, I also am mindful about when we are communicating without my friend being there.

1:15:17like I don't I don't really like to text too often to any of my friend's partners just like out of just respect I can go through my friends like there's little things like here and there that I'll text like my friend's partner but like we don't need to like have all these inside jokes together I can't imagine how OP feels because this isn't normal like this is not respectful this is definitely a red flag and the fact that they both are like gaslighting you and calling you crazy yeah that's uh yeah that's it's even more reason to be concerned because it's it's like they're getting defensive versus taking my feelings into consideration and being respectful and being like oh I could see how I'm crossing lines I won't be so touchy-feely I'll try to include you I see how you could be feeling it's no you're crazy you're insecure you're jealous Yeah.

1:16:10Do I have a reason to be jealous of my sister? Like, to me, jealousy almost implies romance. Like, you know what I mean? I don't know. I just, there's something about that word in the way he used jealousy for me, where it feels like romantically tinged. Yeah. I don't know. Yeah. No, it is, it is interesting. I, am I misusing the word jealousy? I guess it can be not unrelated to romance. Yeah, no, definitely not. I mean, it's a widespread feeling. Yeah, jealousy includes more emotions than I initially thought. Anger, resentment, inadequacy, helplessness, or disgust. Insecurity, fear, and concern over a relative lack of possessions or safety.

1:17:02So jealousy, that fits. It does fit. Yeah. Okay No it's just so interesting to me because like If somebody told me That they were feeling uncomfortable With my relationship With their partner I would like I would like never talk to their partner again You would just like You'd be really respectful And I think a lot of us would be No I'd like block their partner and I'd be like I'd never want to make you feel that way they're blocked I'll never talk to them again Oh my god So it's just like the fact that she's like doubling down And she's like, I'm wearing his sweatshirt. Duh. Kick her out. Why is she there?

1:17:39Yeah. Don't invite her over as much. Also, it's almost like showing your husband's true colors. So it's like you almost want there to be enough of a reason to leave him rather than just having this like hunch. Yeah, that's true, too. And then being like question him for years and years on end. And I hate going through someone's phone, but do it. Just kidding. but there's gotta be something fishy on there between the two of them. They're either shit talking you or they're fucking each other. I mean, it doesn't even need to market. Maybe they're not, but like, even if they're not, there's still way too close for comfort.

1:18:18And that in itself, when you're expressing that you don't feel comfortable and they're not changing anything, that's disrespect from both, from both people. And that's the bottom line. Yeah, exactly. So it's like, even if they're not doing anything, it's still just like disrespectful from like two of the people. the people that you love the most like they should if they genuinely think that it's in your head or something they still should be like hey there's nothing going on but to respect what you're feeling we're gonna not communicate like we're gonna like keep some distance but like we hope that we can all have fun again and like we can all be like whatever I don't know I don't know Just like something Like at least to show that you're respecting Yeah And it's the thing It's not like they're all like If they were all BFFs from like grade school Yeah And then Grew up together The relationship has always been there But like this is your sister Like Something's up The sister needs to respect you Respect your relationship Like You know Something's up for sure Yeah And I guess like you I mean, you make such solid points.

1:19:29If you're uncomfortable and your partner, your husband, isn't respecting your feelings, that's the core issue here. Like you're trying to talk about your feelings and your feelings are valid, seemingly justified here, but he doesn't care. He's trying to brush it off. He's getting defensive. He's pointing the blame back onto you. That's your real problem. Exactly. Top comment. Intra-family affairs are not as uncommon as people think. OP, trust your insights. Gather more evidence. Next comment. Your gut is usually right about this stuff. The hoodie thing especially would have made me lose it. That's crossing a line whether they realize it or not.

1:20:13Start documenting the weird behavior and maybe set some boundaries about the late night texting. Next comment down. Intuition. It's part of you for a reason. Self preservation. These two are getting ready to blow up your marriage and your life. Keep quiet, gather evidence, and stay two steps ahead of this. You can cry, scream, and have a breakdown later. I don't know. I think something fishy is going on. A lot of people are like, check their phones and devices, perhaps secretly install audio or video devices, follow your gut instincts. People really do jump off the rails here and go to the same conclusion a lot of us are going to but i do think like if you get to that point where you're installing secret cameras oh never mind sorry i thought you're saying something else if you're what did you say i thought you were gonna say like instilling like a blank emotion yeah no but just like if you're going to those lengths and installing a camera secretly to try to catch them your relationship is like you're really in in the gutter already yeah but um no comments from op no update yet no I totally thought you were going to give me updates on this one no I got nothing Morgan make one up right now we should do that for an episode yeah for stories that don't have updates we're just going to make them up yes oh my god that would actually be fun we each like write one and then have the other person read it okay I like that yeah okay that'll be fun okay this episode is brought to you by State Farm.

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1:24:10I put the rest away to eat within the next few days. I woke up this morning to find the edible arrangement container empty. He took the rest of it to work. I called him out on it and he said he wasn't sure I was going to eat the rest of it. Question mark, question mark, question mark, question mark, question mark. Then ask. This gesture just ended up making me feel sad and made me cry. am I overreacting it's just fruit no he should have asked you that would actually have me crashing out I've like cried over a lot less so I would freak the fuck out see I don't know that I would care that much but at the same time the fact that he doesn't do nice things for her often then that and like you're so excited about it and thinking like that's so sweet and then he basically like cuts it like not even in half but like he just took your gift like you didn't even get a gift because he took it yeah exactly it wasn't for you was it for him so he could bring his co-workers at work like who is this really for then who does that without asking them to like that's weird like if he were to be like are you going to eat more of this like and if she says no then be like okay well I'd love to bring it to work if you're not going to have any more so that other people can enjoy it and then she says yeah sounds good then like that's a different conversation And just like giving someone a gift and then taking it away is so weird.

1:25:35It's so weird. It's so weird. It's like it's for me like it would be the principle more than like the the edible arrangement. See, I'm like, you don't touch my chocolate covered strawberries. You don't touch my cantaloupe. You leave my star shaped honeydew alone. Yeah. Like I would just be so downtrodden. I would just freak out. I really would because it's like you're having a hard time. you're having a baby sounds like you're at home taking care of the baby he's at work you're probably just like going through it by yourself dealing with being a mom and then you get this nice gift that you don't get all that often and then he just snatches it back and then it's like my head I know it's about fruit you guys but I'd be like do you care about me do you respect me clearly not because you stole my fruit back yeah do I need to sleep with one eye open can I trust you I don't think so.

1:26:29You're stealing food from my table, taking that chocolate covered strawberry straight out of my mouth. Yeah. I don't know if I can rely on you to be a provider for this family anymore. No, you can't even provide.

1:26:45I couldn't keep it up. But no, I don't think you're overreacting. Is it the end of your marriage? No. Like you got to have a conversation and tell him why you're hurt and just he needs to do nice things for you more often too absolutely yeah absolutely top especially like while you're carrying his baby and gave birth to his baby like he should be doing extra nice things to you so the fact that like yeah he doesn't do that often that is concerning to me this one present bare minimum yeah like this one instance isn't concerning to me but like If he's consistently not showing up for you, then that is a different story.

1:27:27I can't imagine choosing to be with a partner that doesn't show up for you. I really can't imagine. I just am blown away by how much Justin goes above and beyond to make sure things are special for me. He really does. He fucking, that man, he fucking loves me. yeah um wedding day like he got everyone like around he like wrote all of my bridesmaids cards the sweetest thing ever I literally like was like do I need to redo my speech because I need to say because normally like the maid of honor speech is supposed to be more tailored to you and then like wrap in like the partner yeah and then like best man is more about the guy wrapping yeah but then after I read that I'm like I need to add more I need I like started panicking I was like Morgan and she's like it's fine you're no your speech was amazing um but like he made sure everyone felt so loved and like special and like wrote all of my bridesmaids cards he got me like a diamond tennis bracelet that he literally went downtown and like custom made he put my birthstone and his birthstone hidden in the back by the class he didn't stop there i didn't realize it until we walked into the tent but we were like looking at all the florals and like I've seen the tent for the first time and I'm like looking around and all of a sudden I see this basket and it was a wicker basket from Venus at Fleur however the fuck you say that like the forever flower place and I had sent him this Instagram ad of that basket and I had sent him that like ad from Instagram months ago months ago and he had it at our wedding like at our placemat waiting for me to get and I'm like the you didn't have to do any of this like a nice card but then like all of that and he's just like I just wanted you to have the perfect day and feel so loved I'm like so sweet I'm like this girl can't even keep her damn fruit she can't even get her fruit I demand justice I'll send you an arrangement oh my god no justin has done like the sweetest most thoughtful things for you the i just remember when you first started dating and like you guys were walking along venice and you saw this like horse painting that you were like oh i love that and you asked how much it was you're like oh it's too expensive and then he came back like then either the next day or like that very same day and bought it for you and surprised.

1:30:06How do you say surprised? And surprised you. Why can't I say it? He just got to stick with it now. And he surprised it with you. Oh my God, what's wrong with me? And then he gave it to you like months later at the exact time. Stop.

1:30:32God damn it Surprised I don't want to do that word anymore

1:30:40Yeah, it was really cute And he surprised you with it Months later at a very specific time Yeah, for my birthday Yes A very specific time A very specific time Yes, the day I was born On that anniversary of that magical day it was so long ago i don't remember i know but he's very thoughtful the other thing he did too with the um oh my god it was one of those things where you like opened up a gift every day or like opened up a note every day like a fucking advent calendar that was so cool it was incredible like every single day had this like thoughtful gift or like um a note to a puzzle piece for the big final gift so cool and it was like a t-shirt with like my pony on it like one of those like band graphic collage things it's just like he's so thoughtful yeah so i think that's why this story where i'm like you yeah it really irks me because like that if he wants to he will and it like does not have to be financial like effort does not have to be financial it just needs to be effort it needs to be thoughtful right it can be free but put in some fucking effort well like and like specifically because like gifts are a big part of your love language so that's why it's like that That equals like effort.

1:31:58That equals like showing that somebody's thinking of you. So no, that makes a lot of sense why this one like totally is just pissing me off. Top comment. No offense, but is he a moron? They all are. Next one. I thought we established that. Of the highest order. Next comment after that. I feel that's unfair to morons. Damn. He bought her something that she was kind enough to share with him, and he decided that wasn't enough. Of course she was going to eat them. They were delicious, and why she shared. He knew that and took them anyways. He's a greedy asshole. Next comment down in response to, no offense, but is he a moron?

1:32:44The person goes, yes. That's it. Just, yes. Did he really bring it to work or get the late night munchies and then realize his mistake and feel embarrassed? Ask him to get you another one. OP responds, Right before we went to bed, he was snacking a bit on it, but I saw him put the rest back in the fridge. When I saw the empty container this morning, I figured he had taken the rest to work. Yesterday, he asked me to buy some fruit when I went grocery shopping so he could take some to work. I bought three different kinds of fruit for him. This morning he only took the edible arrangement And didn't take any of the fruit I bought at the grocery store Why is he so dumb?

1:33:22Literally He made you go get him fruit for work And then took your gift to work Instead of the fruit that he made you go out and get him Also why is he bringing fruit to work? Weird I don't even know anyone that brings fruit to work Like for the office, you know? I mean, I don't know I guess if you're having like a potluck someone brings fruit or a veggie tray but not your wife's gift yeah we do get an update okay you weren't very excited for that uh my head was still in it in the other place i'm here with you in the bad place no update after work he went and bought all the stuff to make me a big container of chocolate-covered strawberries and apples.

1:34:12Honestly, the ones he made ended up being way better than the edible arrangement ones. He apologized and said they were all for me. There we go. We love someone who can correct their wrongs real quick. How do you feel? Are you satisfied? You hate them still? No. I'm like, if OP said they tasted better, I'm sure they did because they were made with love. Yeah. But I'm still like, I like the effort of it. Like, I like that he's actually getting dirty with it. He's putting in effort. He's putting in effort, yeah. I mean, it is a lot more effort to melt the chocolate, dip the fruit, let it set. Like, that is a lot of work.

1:34:56And, like, honestly— Cut the fruit. Oh, yeah. And it's really easy to, like, mess up the chocolate. I just made chocolate-covered something for, like, Michaela's little birthday smorgasbord she had. like each person had to make a different item and we made chocolate covered um fruit and angel food cake okay and the first time we melted the chocolate we actually it like stalled oh yeah and it just like hardened hardened yeah and that can happen so it's like it is a lot more effort so i'm satisfied with it it's it's good this is sweet i'm also uh on whole 30 right now and so And it's been really great, but you talking about like chocolate.

1:35:38You can't have chocolate? No. You can't have like anything. It's like very, very strict. Dude, I saw a clip. Really happy you're doing it. It'll be great. Yeah. But I saw a clip of Victoria Beckham because her new documentary came out. And David Beckham was like, would you like a whisper? It's like some British chocolate. And she goes, ew, I haven't had chocolate since the 90s. I'm not going to start now. And I'm like, you haven't had a piece of chocolate since the 90s. That's brutal. You haven't had chocolate since I was born. That's heartbreaking. That's, that's, wow. For what? That's so hard.

1:36:17For what? What's one piece of chocolate going to do to you? Spiral. Become that Willy Wonka kid who falls in the chocolate. Okay, I will say I made the mistake of buying all of our hand-a-weed. Hand-a-weed? Hand-a-weed. All of our Halloween candy early to get ready for our trick-or-treaters because we get a lot. And that was a mistake because I can't stop eating the candy. Yeah. No, it's very addictive. That's why. So, well, that's with like the whole 30 is not actually meant to be like a weight loss diet. It's meant to, one, figure out your food sensitivities, which I really have been talking about wanting to do for a while.

1:37:01And now I'm like actually going to figure some stuff out. Yeah, it's going to be great. And then we're going to do colonoscopies because colon cancer is rising in young adults. It's time for all of us to get checked. Justin's scheduled his appointment. Really? Mm-hmm. Well, I went in and asked about it and they denied me. I'm too young. Tell them you're bleeding out your asshole. Lie. Do what you got to do. You pay for insurance Yeah It's also expensive too I like It was with my last insurance I mean not so expensive But not ideal Worth it to find out If you have colon cancer or not? Well yes I think so Justin's friend just got a Massive nodule snipped out Really?

1:37:52He's got to do colonoscopies Every six months now Because it was so big Oh my god Yeah And he's 28 Okay Yeah it is time. Did he like see signs though? No. None. Yeah. So it's time. The amount of messages I get from you guys where you're like I had stage three colon cancer. I had stage four colon cancer. Like it is on the rise. And how many people do you talk to? They're like I have weird stomach stuff. Yeah. My stomach hurts all the time. I only rain pee out my asshole. Like so many people have problems. I have not. I don't know if I've had anyone say that to me, but but it's a it's true. I'll tell you that the next time it happens to me, it's pretty common these days.

1:38:38Something ain't right. But yeah, anyway, so I go through phases where I'm like, I need ice cream every night to complete the day. I bought these pumpkin spice donut holes from Trader Joe's. They are so good. but Justin had probably four of them and I ate the rest and there were like three left today and I had to throw them in the garbage to stop myself so that's actually the worst part about doing this during October is I love those type of flavors they're so good there's so many fun treats during Halloween I love Halloween anyway um yeah next story next story

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1:40:52Wow that just said trauma in so many different languages Or My ex-wife predicted my future in painful details And I can't sleep at night because of it Why'd you do this? They're both so intriguing I don't like that you did this to me And us Sorry I don't know Do you want to flip a coin? Probably yeah We haven't left anything to the coin flip in some time Okay which one do you want to be heads? Heads will be the first one Okay tails the second

1:41:35Tales Okay, Tales it is I'm unsatisfied So do you want to do the first one then? Yeah Okay, let's do it I'll read the other one on Patreon Okay, so again the title Am I the asshole for pointing out my daughter's imperfections after she said she understood why her father cheated on me since I gained so much weight. I, 45 female, feel extremely guilty. I won't act as if I'm the most desirable wife in the world. I did gain a lot of weight. I did let myself go. My husband, 47 male, is by far the better looking one, but I don't think I deserved to be cheated on. He did the stereotypical thing of cheating on me with a young, thin woman, 28 female.

1:42:28Of course, my husband didn't want to be the one to tell our daughter, 22 female, that we're getting divorced. We only have the one daughter. Even though she's an adult, I expected it to hurt her. Our daughter was always closer to her father than me. The talk was just between my daughter and I. I told her that her father and I both love her more than anything and that nothing will change that. That neither of us regret a marriage that gave us her, but we're getting a divorce. She just stared into space and I hugged her. After the hug, she was just staring at me. Out of nowhere, she asked if her father had cheated on me.

1:43:07I had no plans of telling her that, but I didn't know what to say given that she asked. I said yes. She asked me, what did I expect? She said she understood why he did it since I had gained so much weight. I was devastated all over again. That was the last thing I expected her to say. Wow. I know that my daughter has a boyfriend, 25 male. I told my daughter that she's not so thin herself. And I asked her, what if her boyfriend cheated on her because of her weight? I asked her what if her boyfriend cheated on her because of her acne I told her that right now she smelled and she's wearing crappy clothes I asked her if she expects her boyfriend to love her as she is or to cheat on her She had tears in her eyes She told me that I shouldn't be picking on her since my man doesn't find me sexy anymore Right now, I'm just broken and I can't trust my own judgment I was expecting more sympathy from my daughter.

1:44:12I don't know if my reaction was appropriate. Am I the asshole?

1:44:20I don't feel like I'm giving sound advice, but I'm like, no. I'm like, you're not the asshole. Like, pop off, queen. But like, I know that's wrong. It's really tough because it's like, you know, kids hurt. Yeah. But kid, air quotes, is also a 22-year-old young woman. Exactly Like Come on It's Yeah Like Where is that child's empathy? Like how is that your first reaction? How is that like your knee jerk thing that you're gonna spit out? I get why dad cheated on you Cause you've gained a lot of weight What? And also Your dad cheated on your mom With someone that's six years older than you How are you not repulsed by him?

1:45:07Come on girl It reminds me of that quote. Oh, what is it? Often father and daughter look down on mother together. They exchange meaningful glances when she misses a point. They agree that she is not bright as they are, cannot reason as they do. This collusion does not save the daughter from the mother's fate. it's basically this like quote this old-timey quote and I don't even know where it came from but essentially like it's some like a common trope that in a dynamic with you know parents and a daughter the daughter will laugh at the mom the daughter will you know be the the father's girl the daddy's girl at the mom's expense rather than just like loving both parents equally like They'll belittle mom.

1:45:59They'll laugh together at mom. I've seen it play out with my family of my own. And it's it's weird where it's like, that's your mom. Why are you picking on your mom? And essentially, once that daughter becomes a mother, she will share that same fate. You're not better than your mom. Yeah. You're not smarter than your mom. Like you will have that fate. and it's just like it's kind of giving that where it's like you're choosing your dad who's kind of a pig rather than just like being a decent person towards your mom and having as you put it empathy I mean at 22 years old like I can't imagine I can't imagine saying that at any age honestly so for me like I don't really I don't feel bad for the daughter that the mom responded that way is all I'm saying.

1:46:48And I know that like, maybe my response should be a little bit more like, okay, that's not the way, that's not how to like handle it. You're still the mother, but like, but part of me is like, yeah. Good, good for you for once. Yeah. I mean, I could see a lot of people being like, everyone sucks here. But at the same time, You weren't saying to her Well you're fat You have acne, you're ugly You were simply posing a question to her To be like To ponder To ponder like If your boyfriend cheated on you Because of your acne Is that okay? Yeah Like you're not Or because you're not Being as negative Yeah exactly Like you're just trying to get her to like Realize how silly What she said was Right So I'm like in that case Yeah I'm like, maybe this was a learning lesson that she needed.

1:47:43Yeah. I personally, maybe this will get me some flack. I don't know. I personally think not the asshole. I do realize a lot of people could go, everyone sucks here. Or you're the asshole even. But it's my personal take. I mean, that's what I've been throwing out too. I like it. I like it. Top comment. Let's hear it. Not the asshole. Oh. 22 is old enough not to blame someone for getting cheated on or a marriage ending your ex is a coward for not telling her but given her horrendous reaction that it was somehow your fault i imagine it would have gone down that way regardless she sounded like she needed a good kick up the ass and verbally you did so only using the exact same logic applied to you exactly it wouldn't be chasing after her focus on yourself and getting your life straight it might make her realize what she's done and that she's done went too far.

1:48:37I would make my kid humble themselves after that because she owes you an apology. Yeah. Next comment down. Honestly, you're not the asshole, but everyone else is. Her dad cheated with a woman only six years older than her, and I don't care how rail thin you are, perverts like that have a type, young and dumb. Your adult daughter was cruel, and how more guilty and shitty would it be if she was a mean girl from someone outside of the home? You did the universe a favor by nicking that bad behavior in the bud. She fucked around and found out. You're human. That happens to be a mom. It's not outlandish to expect some sort of empathy.

1:49:14And her cruelty is concerning. That's what I'm I'm like. It's actually very concerning to me. Yeah. And OP doesn't respond to that one. Do I have a leg to stand on talking about her lack of empathy after what I said? Yes. yours was a reaction hers was just like being a bitch it yeah it was like you were reacting to her being a bitch she was just being a bitch yeah yeah and someone does reply yes you do she was kicking you while you were down while you were showing her how the tables can turn yeah you do have empathy you didn't say what you said to hurt her and you wouldn't blame her if she was cheated on you were actually trying to get her to empathize with you by showing her how it would feel to be in your shoes you did nothing wrong she just needed to learn a lesson op does have a few other comments basically like asking people when they're pointing out that her daughter could have like some internalized misogyny and op is just like clearly where do you see that like trying to get more whatever um someone does say everyone sucks here but i can understand your reaction she's an adult not a child anymore op goes i agree with everyone sucks here i wish i had a better reaction to what she said i wished i was composed enough to ask her why that was the first thing she said i don't op is like i feel like we failed her honestly i don't think it's a we i think if anything like your husband kind of failed in that sense like he should have been a part of that conversation with you agreed i don't know why that was your burden to bear being the one to break the news to her that you're ending your marriage, like takes two people to have a marriage.

1:50:55He's calling it quits. He should be there. He shouldn't be let off the hook like that. Yeah. Opie has a comment here. In recent years from the outside, my husband may have come off as a man who was bored with his wife. Is that enough to have such an impact on our daughter? Basically just being like, I think people are implying like your daughter's clearly gone through some stuff like blah, blah, blah, blah and it's like i don't know op also says i feel like my daughter must have had some seriously bad influences maybe from her father or someone else so just kind of trying to rationalize with this behavior and why her daughter is so cruel one of the most controversial comments is everyone sucks here wow she was shitty to say that yikes you were shitty to respond in kind what the fuck You're her mother.

1:51:49You know that wasn't appropriate. Y 'all both need to get on the female empowerment train. You both have some serious internalized misogyny going on there. No. Wrong. I like it. Well, that was a serious bruh ending. Bruh. I've got a few more of these that are going over to Patreon. It's going to be a whole theme over there this month. Am I going to be on it at all? You can pop over there with me We can keep tackling the rest of these You're well versed and trained In the bruh Now I'm gonna be back around town On Thursday We'll see what I can do I am researching for my Clues podcast Thursday But maybe I can squeeze you in I'll squeeze you in Thank you guys so much for being here Another episode Head over to Patreon if you want to see Lauren squeezed in there but really appreciate you guys being here if there's any themes any theme ideas would be really appreciated because my brain hurts but any themes guests stories you want to see us cover put it in the comments I am open to suggestions but other than that until next time until next time bruh bye guys bye

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