Dads delivering babies, flipping a breech baby & our 6-minute bedtime routine

19 Jan 2026 · 1 h 16 min · 30 chapters

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In short

This episode of Two Parents and a Podcast mixes pregnancy updates, parenting logistics, and everyday debates. Topic: preparing for a second baby with a breech presentation, including whether dads can deliver, whether to flip the baby, and what to pack/plan for (nursery, moving rooms, bedtime routine tease).

Guest backgrounds

no podcast guests appear in the transcript; the “guests” are the hosts (Jules, Harrison) plus recurring references to their OB (Dr. Wang) and other parents who DM/comment.

Key claims

Dr. Wang says dads can deliver babies (especially on a second birth) if gloves are used and the baby isn’t delivered in the car; the hosts decide not to flip the breech baby because flipping can be unsafe and may lead to emergency C-section. They also discuss that most breech babies flip by birth (about 1 in 20 remain breech).

Notable examples

moms’ stories of (1) cord around the neck without flipping and (2) flipping leading to emergency C-section; practical “flip” methods mentioned (music, ice/heat, bouncing, chiropractor) but rejected.

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Chapters

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The ASMR Debate

0:58 to 3:40

Engage in a light-hearted conversation about ASMR preferences and Spotify comments.

“Thought that can opening was pretty crisp.”

Bedtime Routine and Baby Delivery

3:40 to 5:00

Discuss the upcoming topics of the episode including bedtime routine and breech baby delivery.

“Welcome back to another episode of Two Parents and a Podcast.”

Doctor's Appointment Insights

5:00 to 8:25

Share insights from a recent doctor's appointment and discuss parental preparations.

“You know where you're really cute, though, Harrison, is at the doctor.”

Nursery Design and Moving Plans

8:25 to 10:40

Talk about nursery design choices and the logistics of moving furniture.

“You can do whatever you want to the guest bedroom.”

Fitness and Transportation Choices

12:12 to 14:01

Discuss workout routines, fitness goals, and the choice of transportation to the gym.

“You have been, I would like to give you a compliment.”

Waymo Experiences and Automated Driving

14:01 to 19:30

Listeners will learn about the hosts' experiences with Waymo and the challenges they face.

“And what's going on with the Waymo Uber situation?”

Support for Drivers

19:31 to 20:36

The discussion highlights the emotional conflict between using automated services and supporting human drivers.

“They are safer though because they're not ever like just human error versus an autonomous vehicle.”

Parking Challenges in Austin

20:37 to 24:24

A detailed discussion on parking difficulties faced in Austin, particularly back-in angle spots.

“And I don't know if other places have this.”

Audiobooks versus Traditional Reading

25:15 to 28:00

An exploration of the debate over audiobooks and traditional reading methods in book clubs.

“It's like a scarlet letter on your chest.”

Podcast Listening Habits

28:00 to 29:20

Explore the impact of podcast speed on comprehension and engagement.

“I can't follow it because my brain is, my brain needs it to be quicker to process it.”
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Cooking and Non-Stick Pans

29:20 to 30:20

Discuss the challenges and considerations of using non-stick cookware.

“And our eggs, while they take longer to make, the nonstick pan is surviving.”

Health Risks of Non-Stick Cookware

30:20 to 31:30

Examine the potential health risks associated with non-stick pans.

“So this tweet here says, if you have non-stick cookware, get rid of it.”

Dads Delivering Babies

31:30 to 33:40

Share experiences and thoughts on fathers delivering their children.

“it's going to be like making sure we never sear a steak.”

The Birth Experience

33:40 to 38:20

Discuss the experience of childbirth from a father's perspective.

“So we had our doctor's appointment yesterday and we were walking in and our OB, Dr.”

Breach Baby Discussion

40:06 to 42:00

Talk about the baby being in a breach position and options for delivery.

“Do you want to talk about the breach of contract?”

C-Section Considerations

42:00 to 44:13

Explore the reasons behind avoiding a C-section and personal experiences.

Natural Baby Flipping Techniques

44:13 to 46:20

Discuss methods for potentially flipping a breech baby naturally.

“a lot of times they will flip to listen to the music.”

Influence of Online Information

46:20 to 47:55

Reflect on how online advice shapes decisions about childbirth.

“And for that one, you make a gut decision, I think, a lot of times.”

2016 Travel Adventures

47:55 to 50:16

Share highlights from extensive travel experiences in 2016.

“Probably a two to three year hiatus off of Instagramming.”

The Joy of Safaris

50:16 to 52:14

Discuss dreams of going on a safari and the magical experience it offers.

“I just was not having that action-packed year.”

Travel Preferences and Overrated Destinations

52:14 to 54:09

Discuss personal travel experiences and destinations deemed overrated.

“The problem is she'd get out of the thing.”

Marathon Running Abroad

54:09 to 56:00

Recount experiences of running races in various countries, including challenges faced.

“There's a 24 24 hours in Dubai would be would be would be fun Anywhere with you would be fun with 24 hours.”

Running Experiences and Marathon Travels

56:00 to 56:48

Discover personal stories about participating in races and traveling for marathons.

“I'm glad there was people doing the race.”

Pre-Marathon Routines and Hydration

56:48 to 58:22

Learn about essential pre-marathon routines and the importance of hydration.

“where you travel to places to do marathons.”

Bedtime Routine for Toddlers

58:22 to 1:00:15

Explore an effective six-minute bedtime routine tailored for a young child.

Establishing Sleep Associations for Babies

1:00:15 to 1:04:18

Understand the significance of sleep associations and the parent’s strategy.

“I worry I'm going to underwhelm with this one.”

DM Highlights: Innovative Parenting Products

1:04:18 to 1:08:29

Discuss innovative products aimed at simplifying parenting, including breastfeeding tools.

“I realize we have our own language with her.”

Navigating Screen Time as Parents

1:08:29 to 1:10:00

Analyze the impact of screen time on children and the importance of mindful usage.

Understanding Nonverbal Cues in Children

1:10:00 to 1:12:44

Learn how to recognize and respond to nonverbal cues from young children.

“But yeah, for the times that you do need to be on it, then this is a great tool.”

Modeling Behavior and Learning

1:12:44 to 1:14:06

Discover the importance of modeling behavior and learning through play.

“Well, the other cute thing is bringing the papados.”
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1:03Should we do an ASMR show? No. From you, no. Thought that can opening was pretty crisp. Give us a... No, please don't. The people will be so upset. Okay. Okay. Here we are. Ready? People were ranking, though, the ice versus the breathing. Versus the coughing. The coughing is awful. I thought we edited out the coughing. We edited out most of the coughing. Sometimes you like to cough in the middle of people's sentences, though. We can't. I, I'm. Okay, let me guess. Ice is the least offensive? Yes. People like the ice the most. Breathing is the second least offensive and the coughing is the worst.

1:51No, they said that the breathing is the worst. Okay, then get your. Where is this occurring? Spotify. Spotify comments. Really? Yeah. Who knew you could even comment on Spotify now? I knew that. Yeah. Yep. So, you know, there's also something else I could be called out for right now. What? Can anyone catch it? It has to do with my outfit. No. You have enough colors. Your colors are good. No, but what did I say I don't like? Oh, brands. diamond cross ranch is a ranch that has become a brand as i was putting this shirt on this morning i was like this directly contradicts what i said last episode but i'm gonna wear it because i'm gonna take the heat i feel differently about graphic t-shirts i like graphic t-shirts i don't think you like brands that are mainstream brands It's like.

2:54I don't think Elwood's a mainstream brand. You don't think it's become a mainstream? No, people are always asking what it is. That's actually true. My neighbors, both of our neighbors thought it was the name of our soon-to-be son. Oh. Ooh. Yeah. Imagine that. They said, oh, are you naming your baby Elwood? And I thought, no, this is just a brand name. But I, listen, Diamond Cross Ranch, they have a merch line of graphic tees, Harrison's wearing one. I think it's quite cool. I think Jules is right. It's a ranch. It's like wearing a Terry Blacks t-shirt. It's like wearing a restaurant. Well, that's how I feel.

3:29It's like I love wearing restaurant t-shirts. I have big restaurant t-shirt wear. Yeah, it's very much so not giving brand. Okay. Okay, we're going to start. Ready? Yes. Okay. Welcome back to another episode of Two Parents and a Podcast. Harrison is like so sad because he doesn't have ice in his coffee. I have ice in my coffee because I thought I had and I brought my ice from home. Oh, that wasn't what I was supposed to start with. You guys. No, I was about to. I just realized I forgot to do my homework on a very important subject. What? Subject. On. What? We're sharing the bedtime routine today, but you know that.

4:06That doesn't require homework. The delivering a baby. Our OB. What homework did you need to do? I wanted to just do a quick little Google search. I Googled it. Okay. We're going to talk all about. We had a doctor's appointment yesterday, and we're going to talk to you guys about that. But before we do that, because like the baby's breech, Harrison can deliver the baby. Okay, X, Y, Z, all these very fun, exciting things to go through. Subscribe to the podcast. Please. Please subscribe to the podcast and leave a comment. It's your, what's the birth gift for a baby? Push present. Yeah, your push present from the listener.

4:54Is it like, and it's subscribe? Yeah, and I'm going to ask for it all throughout my third trimester. Okay, I love it. You know where you're really cute, though, Harrison, is at the doctor. We were getting the scan done. I don't know the word. And the girl was like, Harrison said, she's not in her third trimester until Tuesday. And the girl was like, no, she's in it in two days. And Harrison was like, well, every Tuesday I thought we entered into a new week. And so it was really cute because initially Tuesday was where my weeks turned over. But babies are always changing. Like my due date changed.

5:28You know, babies are always, I just thought it was really cute that you still thought it was Tuesday when it's not. Yeah, I did. I really did. I thought that was really sweet. it's funny with your second baby so yesterday was the appointment where they're like you know register with the hospital get these two vaccines for mom what are the other things they said um oh here's a list of classes you can take before you have the baby if you want to tour the hospital you can contact them here all these things we did with tate like we toured the hospital we took a parenting class um and there's this whole list of resources at our office it's this purple packet that you get um and it meant everything with baby number one and with baby number two i was like we don't need that she's like do you guys have any questions we were like nope we're good i i i think i'm gonna um i'll probably do it on youtube but i'll need a swaddle reminder but no no i think we got to get the automatic swaddles not the velcro ones i think the velcro ones wake them up but the zip swaddles i would love to not do manual swaddling i i never could figure it out it always fell apart i just think the newborn swaddle i want to do at least one normal swaddle okay in the hospital you'll definitely do the swaddle yeah with the blanket you know that they've had forever the sweet baby blanket oh yeah i haven't even started thinking about what we're going to bring him home in that's going to be a whole thing but what we did do today you guys yesterday i designed the nursery and the way I do that is I make a cover photo.

7:04I put the rug, I put the crib, the chair, blah, blah, blah, and I put it all on one page so Harrison can look at it. And then we had the painter come over today. Frank the painter. Frank the painter who we love very much who has been running with a weighted vest on that Harrison's going to get. It's really good for posture and really good for, he's just like loving it. So Harrison's going to order one of those. but he is going to paint stripes going to paint the crown molding so we're getting into nursery mode which i kind of had a jump scare because like we need to move when we do the nursery we need to do that nursery and then we have to move tate to the playroom and then we have to do a whole new playroom and then we have to get rid of our guest bedroom and harrison was like we just got to do it now and i was like whoa because like we do we do have to do it now but it's very take humpty dumpty apart to put it back together yeah the only room i'm concerned about is the guest room because that furniture is heavy it's very heavy we have to get rid of it all yeah and then your office downstairs can become a bedroom can i have the bed totally 100 it's a four hands but it's awesome i would love it you can 100 have it it's just need to get if you want the dresser the matching dresser i don't need a dresser really i just have been wanting to get a new bed frame and a new bed because i just like bought a shitty one when i moved in so pardon my language mom sorry nori um but i had a six month lease when i moved in and all i had to get was a bed because my place is furnished and i've not gotten a new bed since you can king best day ever yeah it's a king bed cool very comfy mattress you can have the mattress too yours coming your way Yeah, because we're going to – in the basement, we're going to need to go queen.

8:53Queen in small frame. I have some ideas. Okay. I'm going to just let you do that. But yeah, Jules. Do I have full permission? You can do whatever you want to the guest bedroom. Okay. I want to do a Murphy bed. I knew you did and that's fine. Because I want it to be a hybrid guest bedroom meets office. I still need a quiet place for Zooms. Yeah. You can 100 % do that. Do whatever you want down there. I just, that bed absolutely cannot fit in there. So we'll send it to Jules' house. Yay. Thanks. But you got to take the dresser too. I don't have room for the dresser. There we go. He can have the dresser.

9:28He can have the dresser. But it's really heavy. Like it's problematic to move. Okay. We're going to get, we'll get the lug. So Jules has this company, I mean, it's just not her company, but lug. Well, did I tell you guys? No. What? When we moved to the armoire from your house to my house, the lug person stole packages. It's not lug's fault. You did tell us this. Yes. You didn't tell me this. It's like an Uber of moving, right? So it's not the company's fault. But the lug person stole packages out of my front vestibule. From you or other people in the building? From other people, but they caught it on camera and I had to deal with it.

10:09Jules. Yeah. she told us this I think in an episode I don't know I don't remember I don't think I don't think I was aware of this but it was crazy maybe I was on my phone maybe you could have been that's a very very high chance of that I think that yeah we'll just lug it to you and just have your packages put up yeah perfect and then that will solve that okay great so we'll do that soon like we're just it's good to know where we can send it and then that room is blank and we can start the move yeah When do we think we, yeah, let's. We'll offline about this. You guys know we love our dogs here on this podcast.

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13:25Yes. At Barry's. So I still go to his classes. Okay. Why do you Waymo or Uber? Yeah, I didn't know what I was being asked. Other than Studio 3, I'm liking it. Good monthly membership. 25 classes. Happy to hear that. Okay. Are you using all 25 in a month? Oh, that's my workout goal. I want to work out 25 times in a month. Oh, great. I mean, it's good to know your goal. Yeah. How many are you at? Oh, I just started it this week. Okay. Well, you're not going to hit 25 in January. Well, in the 30 days from when I started it. Then you absolutely could hit it. Yeah. Okay. And what's going on with the Waymo Uber situation?

14:04Why are you not taking the car? Because you don't want to park? Yeah, I haven't figured out the parking situation at this new place. And I'm like always, I'm leaving just in the what of time? Nick of time. Nick of time. Just in the nick of time. I knew you were going to say that. Okay. And how's Waymo going for you? Disaster. I saw Waymo today drive off and I thought, did he just get in that? I wanted to be so pro Waymo. And Nick, who I've been doing these classes with, Nick had a couple great Waymo experiences. And so he got me on the train and I had a phenomenal one. I'm like, all right, I'm team Waymo.

14:43And my last year had been a disaster. Why? it so it's very good if like it picks you up on a main street there's no not a lot of traffic and you're just going from point a to point b yeah but if there's any form of complexity it short circuits so like yesterday my waymo picked me up and to turn around it pulled into a parking lot and it just like it stopped started and just jerked its way out of the the um like well like executing the the the the y turn out of the out of the parking lot and then there was someone else pulling out of the spot and it was just as nauseating as it gets uh and also took so long I feel sorry for the Waymo.

15:33Unchartered waters. And then today, in the neighborhood pickup, instead of going down to the main street, it started to take me there to the neighborhood. And it did a full loop.

15:53So we're driving down 9th. And there's nobody to yell at. And instead of just going straight, it went right, left, left, up, back to the street. I'm like, what was that? Well, the problem with Waymo is you're in it. Do you get what it did? Yes, I understand what it did. Right, left, left. Right. So it was just driving in a circle. Not quite a circle. It was like, let's say we're going down 10th Street, okay? we took a right on a side street then a left then a left then got back up to 10th and took a right again yeah instead of just like turning left no instead of just going on 10th street yeah i was like whoa why are we taking a right here and there's nobody to talk to about it well they and then they they beamed in today because like you sit down have you have they ever beamed in with you i've never taken one me either you gotta take one how do they need to take one what does What does a beam in mean?

16:52Voice of God. They've been in the last few times, if we're being honest. I'm on a call and I just have this person talking to me. And I'm like trying to figure out like, yo, I'm like on a call. Like, how do I hang up? I'm on a call. But when you sit down, it says like put on the seatbelt. And you can just like hit a button being like the seatbelt's on. So I can take my time putting on the seatbelt. And they beam in like your seatbelt's not on. Put your seatbelt on right now. What? I'm like, yo, I've been in the car for four seconds. What? Yeah, and I'm in a parking lot that your Waymo can't get out of.

17:26Is it a real human or is it an automated voice? No, it's a real person. Can you just be like, hey, Tim, what's up? Yeah, but I was on a call. And so this is just a disaster. Yeah. Here's the thing. I think you have to just weigh the handoff here. I think these automated vehicles are safer. They're probably slower, but I think they're safer. I think you don't have to talk to anybody. you don't have to talk to anybody I'm going to totally push back on that okay I'm and this was my realization I want to support the drivers I hate that I'm not supporting a driver in taking a Waymo that was like what I woke up to when I was like thinking about alright do I want to keep doing this Waymo check I can really get behind that like so I'm giving my money to a corporation or I'm giving my money to a driver and a corporate like a person and a corporation And we've lived through a lot of these lives because remember when you used to get in a taxi cab and mention Uber, they would get mad, right?

18:24Because the taxi drivers, then they were overtaken by Uber drivers. And now Uber drivers are going to have these autonomous vehicles. So you're right. I mean, that's the thing with AI, though, is like, are we going to lose jobs? But it's going to boil down to how many times do people want to get stuck in parking lots? Yeah. But remember, remember when we were in Miami and that driver, that Uber driver drove the same highway exit lap twice and I finally said something and I don't ever say anything. Harrison's always the person in our relationship who says something. And I finally was like, you have taken the same exit loop two times.

19:01Yeah, but I got to say the Austin community of Uber and Lyft drivers is amazing. Well, because sometimes you get the same one twice. Remember that guy took us to Fondas San Miguel two times. Yeah. No, I actually feel like I get a lot of repeat Uber and Lyft people. And I love it. And they're phenomenal. I love everybody that takes us to the airport. I always love them. They're great. They do your bags. So I'm officially out on Waymo. They are safer though because they're not ever like just human error versus an autonomous vehicle. Like there is no argument that they are safer. Yeah. I got to keep going down this.

19:43The cars are ridiculous that you're in. Like they're Jaguars. Great pronunciation. How do you say it? Jaguar. We've done this. We've run this. We've done this. Jaguar. Okay. Jaguar. Well, it's just like to me, it's just, it's an insane. So today when I got in the, the passenger seat in front of me was all the way back. And I couldn't get it up because there was no one to ask to move the seat up. If you have an autonomous car, you don't need to design it the way a traditional car was designed. The whole thing is just. It's probably cheaper to do that, though. Here's the thing. I think you need to allot five to ten extra minutes to take away, Mo.

20:28I'm just, I'm going to be old school. You're always just on time. I'm team support the Uber and Lyft drivers. I can get behind it. I'm with you on that. The other car issue that Harrison and I have been really running into lately is in Austin. And I don't know if other places have this. We have back-in angle, like back-in only angle spots. But only on South Congress. And South Congress is like our main road here, okay? So imagine you're driving, and in order to park, you have to stop in the middle. Everyone behind you has to stop, and you have to nail your back-in. You don't get a lot of like go forward, back up, go forward, go back up, because then you're like the loser.

21:08Is it clear? I don't think it's clear exactly how these parking spaces are set up. Well, we all know, so I don't know. Yeah, try to paint the picture to the best of your ability. Okay, so obviously we are Team Austin. We love Austin. We love it more every day. But if there's one con, we love the city. The one con is the back-end parking spots. Our main street, South Congress, has instead of parallel parking or instead of back-end parking, it's diagonal parking which is an angle back in and you have to back in and in front of all the parking spots is a bike lane it it is one just so hard to do if no one's on the street like hitting it like actually exiting the park shop so hard it feels so dangerous because like i'm worried i'm gonna hit a biker i'm worried that oncoming traffic's gonna hit me there's like a lot of pedestrians going on in the area like i need to know where this planning came from well i would okay but would you rather parallel park or back in angle parking i'm very comfortable parallel parking i i don't the bike lane for me is the problem right like bike lanes in general scare me you always got to be like checking because they come out of nowhere every couple has a driver I'm ours and I think I am not so bad not terrible at the back in angle parking you're you're a great driver what percentage of drives do you think you do?

22:3780 what percentage of drives do you think I do? I do all highway drives unless I'm eating then you do the drive I think it's 60-40 do you think I'm the better driver? yeah will you give me that award? yeah I will give you the award you're a better driver. Thank you. Thank you. I just, his fingers are crossed. Does that mean it doesn't count? That is so, do you know what that is? So 2016 of you. Oh, my fingers were crossed. It didn't count. I lied. I do. I do. I do think, I do think you're a better driver. Cause yeah, you're a good focused driver. You've got, you've got good, uh, defensive driving techniques.

23:20Yeah. Thank you. I, I always, um, I think it's because I grew up my family was in like semis and when you drive a semi you always have to be looking like semi drivers are trained to get your cdl you have to be looking like not a mile ahead of you but i think it's like 600 feet ahead of you to see what's going on because it takes a semi so long to stop and so i think that that was where i learned it like looking ahead of you on a highway it's like the, you know, you're a great driver. Everyone you know is probably talking about GLP ones, you guys. And if you were close to trying them, but you remembered you don't like needles and you want to keep them as far away as possible, well, natural options might just be for you.

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26:07It's like a scarlet letter on your chest. Yeah, it is like loser, I listened. Where did the internet shake out on this? It's kind of 50-50. No, it's not. It is not. Yes, it is. Jules says the audiobook listener. No, they want you to delineate between the two. Someone did comment though. Someone was like, Jules rage baited Alex and Harrison into the number one literary debate of all time without giving them any context. Yeah. Like I just dropped you guys into the middle of this debate that's going on all over the internet. Is this actually a debate that's happening? I, so the comments went crazy.

26:44I read, I think most, I mean, I was pretty up to date on them. It's not close. No, it's not close. People want, no, it's reading and listening are two very different things. And when it comes to reading books, reading and listening are two very different things. And please delineate whether or not you listened to the book or you read the book. Not going to do it. Yes. Jules you listen to books you don't read books I do think now we have to take a firm stance On this people want to know But I was now I was on a walk this Morning and I am obsessed with my Book and I'm almost done with it and I Wanted to be reading it but I can't walk And read it and so I did think About switching over to audio Book and then I would have to say I half read half listen to my Book I would have to say it I'm not making any further comments at this time i'm sorry to do this jules but the other thing i noticed was the listeners don't want us to delineate between the two but the readers they want us to say no we read verse we listened i know like and it's like what for what that's a listener take because you guys didn't read it you did 90 books in a year because you listened what speed are you listening at Two It's not fair I'm everything at two though You know what I've noticed When I listen to a podcast in 1.2 Which is not nearly what you do When I take it back to one Slow motion It sounds like this No totally Totally totally totally I hate it But it's Where I do like it Is when I'm listening to podcasts Like are diving into a complex subject matter Then like when I do go back When I do go back to one it's so much easier to follow.

28:30I can't follow it because my brain is, my brain needs it to be quicker to process it. I think you've trained your brain. Yeah. Which is really cool. No, it's bad. Do you have to watch TikTok on double speed? Always. Yeah. I can't watch it at normal speed. But you get more done. I think it's probably bad. Does the way we talk in real life annoy you? Do you want us to like land the plane faster and talk like this? I made peace beat up a clip the other day ever so slightly oh good yeah was it Harrison talking it was actually me oh yeah I think you talk at a good cadence I don't know you know sometimes when I'm on FaceTime I hold it down to try and make my friends talk faster wow that's not how the real world world works that's how you've trained your brain okay well the consensus I think was you gotta tell us if you read it or you listen to it perfect you can default for me listen but i'm gonna say read i'm cool with that i'm good with that all right i finally won a picker of the week i think it's actually your first win yeah i do believe phenomenal um also i just want to let everybody know we did get a new non-stick pan we have been conquering like it's still in good shape harrison and i run three in a row we were cooking everything on too high So we've started, you can only have the burner between medium and simmer.

29:52And our eggs, while they take longer to make, the nonstick pan is surviving. Who told you that? You. So a couple things on this. What did I want to say? I don't know. Oh, but now there's the whole thing coming out about nonstick pans. Which is what? Are they toxic? everything's toxic. There's a Twitter push going on. Which is what? What's happening in Twitter land? Tell us. X. Are we calling it X or is it Twitter? It's Twitter to me. I think X is like a ridiculous name. Okay, what's happening on Twitter? Okay. So this tweet here says, if you have non-stick cookware, get rid of it. New study, 169 % increase in the risk of fatty liver disease in adolescence is linked to PFOA, pfoa a forever chemical used in non-stick cookware with every doubling of exposure what i think is very interesting which i just learned so the pans we're using are caraway yep which they sent to us so thank you very much but those caraway pans are non-stick but per the website jewels they do not have this pfoa they're free of the pfoa which is great but but i think as we've learned you need to You need to treat them very delicately.

31:15Yeah. So the handoff is you have to have your burner on low and you have to let it cool before washing it, which we've been doing. Additionally, you can't put it in the dishwasher. So making eggs just takes two times as long. To me, the key here is going to be like it's not blowing ourselves up on like the eggs are easy. We have a program. it's going to be like making sure we never sear a steak. Like we're always searing our steaks in the cast iron. Yeah. Yes. Because like certain foods, like when you sear, it needs to be super, super hot. Totally agree. So we're just got to be on like a two pan program.

31:54Which is fine. One that goes hot and one that doesn't go hot. Here's my problem with this tweet though. We have an overwhelming ability to have access to information. like this guy just throws up this tweet well what if you have been using a pan that has pfoa like who fact checks this i feel like everything these days is causing cancer like i do find it very frustrating like of course you want a non-stick pan because it's a better consumer experience but then you find out that non-stick pans are causing cancer because of pfoa like how are we sure this tweet's true how do you know what i mean like doesn't it be like information overload can we still not stand in front of microwaves like i don't know yes i i hear you that it feels like information overload but i do think there are a lot of general consistencies behind these studies that come out which is just like eat clean whole organic foods avoid ultra processed foods um but now my pan's the problem like avoid plastics where possible um yeah like if it doesn't feel natural there's probably some form of trade-off that's occurring and like everyone just ultimately need to find like what works best for us because like these conveniences of life do have other benefits yeah um let's hmm i wonder why i have villain question mark written down on the show oh because there was some video that I didn't watch that you said, is this person the villain?

33:32You told me not to watch it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. Okay. Okay. Um, well, this is it. Oh no. I want to talk about the baby really quick. Okay. So we had our doctor's appointment yesterday and we were walking in and our OB, Dr. Wang, who we love, she was walking in at the same time as us and we all get in the elevator. And first of all, it was so funny because we've now known her over a year, two two three years I don't know however long we went to her with Bubba and now we're going to her again she had no idea how tall he was and I was like you've never seen me standing up you've been with me in some of my most intimate moments in life but you have only seen me sitting down and she was like yeah I had no idea how tall you were so that was cute but then she were in the elevator and she's like Harrison you should deliver the baby we were like that's funny she was like no seriously dads can deliver the babies especially on the second one she said but the only thing is with the second baby you gotta try to not have it in the car because they they come out really fast and i was like whoa not if i had the baby in the car then i was thinking about it she wasn't kidding she was dead serious that dads can deliver babies and she was like we'll put the gloves on i'll be right there beside you but you can deliver the baby i'm still not fully convinced she wasn't she wasn't joking i don't think she was now that i think about it i've seen a lot of photos online of dads that have delivered babies.

34:55Obviously, the thing that's most important is the baby safety. But she's going to be there. She won't let anything happen. Like, I am a life experience guy. Yeah. And the idea of this sounds great. Yeah. Love it. But I need, like, full-level sign-off before doing this. Like, I need families, both sides of the family signing off. Obviously, most importantly, Like you advocating for it. I need very clear doctors. Like I need this to be no risk. Here's why I'm advocating for it. Number one, how cool. Like how cool for you to say, you know, that you delivered the baby. But number two, she's saying you could have it in the car.

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35:38You're telling me I could have the baby on the highway. I would much rather in a controlled environment you can deliver the course. Our big learning was Jules was delivered by her father. but I need like you're not doing anything you're not doing anything I was trying to think of the equivalent it's like when you're helping your mom like bake something and she's measuring everything out and like you know you were a kid and she let you like dump it in the bowl yes you get to like dump the flour in the bowl but you didn't act not to you know don't I get it I get it I like I completely understand that.

36:15I don't think I'm going in there and you know But like of course it's safe. You're just going to stand there and touch the baby's head. And you're going to kind of probably, she'll probably, here's the one thing she probably will say. Pull. Because remember there's that time where she says okay now we're going to pull. I cannot explain to you what it feels like when you pull a baby out of you. It's like they slither out of you. You'll probably do the pull. Yeah. I was there for number one, Jules. I was there I had a very clean angle As to what was going on Because you were a flip flop You said you didn't want to see What was going on With baby number one No way I said that Yes And then Really When we were in there You absolutely said I would love to watch the birth And you got over there Well someone told me I think someone was like You don't want to see it And I was like That's No And you thought Such a Like a special moment of life Like To not Witness that is that that doesn't land for that's not how I live no I think a lot of dads think they don't want to see and then they get see the birth of the baby and they get in there and they really start to understand like this is a cool process it's a slow process of course you want to peek back there because you just see the head a little bit you were the first person to touch Bubber's head she let you do that last time and you were like yeah and then you went you flip-flopped you said you were going to stay above the curtain and you went behind the curtain yeah well there was no curtain by the way well they it's a figure of speech no i think that it's above the dress below the dress i think in a c-section there is a curtain there is a curtain yes sorry this is above the dress below the dress it's it's truly one of the most special moments of life and unbelievable i wanted to watch um from beginning to end all 36 hours it's unbelievable a baby comes from here and then is crying in the world.

38:08There's nothing like it. I mean, it's as human as it gets. Biologically. Pretty cool stuff. I think you should deliver it. Yeah, well, I love the sounds of it. You guys know with baby number two, I've talked all about how I'm going to combo feed and I'm going to combo feed early. And when it comes to choosing formula, it is so important to look at the ingredients label and pick one you love. And that is why we have Bobby on today's episode. Bobby supports every feeding journey with free expert led lactation support classes, combo feeding seminars, and organic formulas. Bobby's organic European style infant formulas are here to help you feed with confidence.

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40:11Do you want to talk about the breach of contract? The baby is breach, honey. Yeah. The baby is sitting breach. Yeah. Yes. Okay, so I've actually gotten just a ton of DMs and a ton of text messages from my friends on this breach situation. So the baby is breached and I asked the internet, I said, Hey, if your baby was breached, did they flip? Did you do anything to make them flip or did you go and get them flipped? I was trying to figure out what was going on with the breaches. Okay. Now I'm 27 weeks basically, and the baby's breach. Now what we've learned by the time you get to birth, most flip, but one in 20 are still breach at that point.

40:54So, so our doctors like, listen, the baby's probably going to flip. Don't you even worry. I thought if the baby doesn't flip, I was going to do some things to flip it. I've now learned I am absolutely, I've got like a firm take on this. Absolutely not doing anything to flip it. If I have to have a C-section, wonderful. A lot of C-section moms have reached out to me saying they had vaginal the first time they had a c-section the second time phenomenal birthing experience you put on music you don't really feel anything the recovery is a lot better so don't like be afraid of a c-section so why did you change your view on like doing the things to turn the breach it's not always safe to flip the baby so i had a mom reach out specifically her gut feeling was like, I'm not going to flip the baby.

41:42Baby was born. Umbilical cord was around the neck, which was fine. Had they flipped it would not have been fine. Um, I had another mom reach out to me where they flipped the baby at a while. It, it resulted in an emergency C-section. Like all of my comments are flipping the baby's not always safe and I'm not flipping it for a medical reason. I'm flipping it to avoid a C-section and, and that's just, there's no point in flipping the baby if they naturally flip great if they don't naturally flip there's probably a reason and so we do the c-section and i'm at complete peace with it so no i mean that that makes a lot of sense to me um as you know i'm very much a trust the process person and i was so there there are most importantly trust you yeah my gut like it is unequivocally now there will be no flipping of the baby they say it's safe to go to a chiropractor but even then i'm not doing it like there's no flipping of the baby that's going to occur it's we're just going to see what happens here if I have to have a c-section sounds like um if you have to have a c-section your recovery is a little bit better and like you can walk around more so that there's trade-offs right um the reason I wanted to avoid the c-section and I'll do that c-section surgery right yes and you will do this yes and she'll let you do that that's what I heard uh the reason I wanted to avoid the c-section if you're wondering why i wanted to avoid it is i had a i had a 36 hour delivery with my first and i pushed for six hours and i was in so much pain because my epidural didn't work i was begging for a c-section and my doctor was like you can do this vaginally if i'm just gonna have a c-section with a second i would have loved to have just done it with the first that was my thinking yeah i also like i think the c-section is is like a pretty big surgery like it it isn't like it's a wake ab surgery yeah it's a wake slicing of the abs now granted they numb you but it's it's a major thing but you're fully awake from what i understand of what a c-section is just a little slice now i hear you only feel pressure and you can put music on and i think it's really fast which is great but they like take everything out and you can listen to an audio you can listen to a podcast listen you can do some but i don't know the awake ab surgery situation like that kind of scares me but everyone a lot of c-section moms reached out this is why i love the internet and they were like it's a beautiful experience now some ways you can flip the baby you ready okay number one you can put music down here and they'll want to hear it so a lot of times they will flip to listen to the music.

44:24The other way, the most common way I hear is put ice on the top of your stomach and a heating pad on the bottom of it. And they, they don't want to be cold. So they'll gravitate towards the heat and they'll do a flip. The other is bounce on a ball, just bounce a lot. And like literally like a, a big, um, what are those called? Sumo balls, you know, like a workout ball and aerobics ball bounce on that like a birthing ball and they'll flip and then you can also go to a chiropractor and they will like do your stomach and they will flip the baby but this baby i can feel his head it's right here he's staying well what do you think jules well the music thing that just sounds like it's flipping naturally that's my question i guess it's not but i guess it's not and i guess like there is something biological to if they want to flip they do like if they're comfortable to flip they will flip and so I think that what I've gathered and everybody that you know I don't like it when people start to um yell at you this there was no yelling happening it was very informational in the comments and a lot of times the baby does flip right so I'll let you know it's funny too some parents some moms feel when the baby flips and it feels like a somersault in your stomach and they get like a little wave of nausea some say they never feel it flip so I don't know but we're not going to flip the breech baby we're going to let it go because it just feels like there's no real benefit in flipping it to put a bow on it I think it's interesting how quickly you're like I do love When we get great information from the internet, like your view, can change on a matter that was something totally different yesterday.

46:17To parallel it to something, I also was talking to people about whether or not to get induced. And for that one, you make a gut decision, I think, a lot of times. And on that one, I felt totally comfortable getting induced. The only thing was maybe your birth will be a little longer. I was fine with that. But induction versus like flipping a breached baby, it sounds like there's some real harm that can happen to the baby if you flip it by design. And so I was really happy to hear that, though. It's like, oh, we won't be flipping the baby. Now, granted, one thing I did not do was talk to my doctor about she probably would have been like, we're not flipping.

46:53No baby is being flipped. Right. She probably would have squashed that bug immediately. But my style's a bit. Ask the Internet. Ask the doctor around 34 weeks. like I have I have six weeks to go right so yep but my friends were very helpful very very helpful and very comforting about the c-section good to know so I'm feeling really good just nope just letting it go very nice no problem okay where were you 10 years ago

47:25my friend Katie brought up a good point about this 2016 thing she's like why didn't we do this with 2015 we didn't do this 2025 2016 may have been the most active year of my life do explain um i probably went to um i pulled i actually instagrammed a lot in 2016 so you're active on instagram i i took like Probably a two to three year hiatus off of Instagramming. But 2016 was a year of documenting my travels. And I couldn't believe all the different places that I went. Name a few. Don't name them all. Okay, I'm just pulling up. Where were you living in 2016? Based in where? Hong Kong? Hong Kong.

48:20Okay. So Tanzania, Kenya, Rwanda, Vienna, Austria, Slovakia, Budapest. Wow. Amsterdam, Hong Kong, Vancouver. I'm just scrolling through. Kuala Lumpur, Vietnam, Macau, China. Oh, it's going to get better. New York. Oh, it's going to get better. Just wait. Oklahoma. Just wait. Oh, this is good. Inner Mongolia. Couldn't pick that out on a map. Bangkok. Laos. Laos. Yes. It's a little Laos action. Borneo. Where's Borneo? Borneo, Southeast Asia. Climbed Mount Kinabalu, I believe the highest mountain in Southeast Asia. There's a great photo of me summiting at 541. Oh, how long did it take you to climb it?

49:18It was a couple days. Couple day climb? Yep. Bali. Bali? Yeah. A lot of Bali. I've always wanted to go to Bali. Had a couple Bali trips. Tokyo for a bachelor party. Abu Dhabi. Remember when she said some of them? No, no, no. We got to do it all, Jules. We got to do it all. Ooh, Dubai at the Burj Khalifa. I looked up my 2016 trips. I went to Nashville and Napa. That was it. That was it. I went to Tulsa, Oklahoma. The Gilly Islands in Lombok. For a Justin Bieber concert. I went to Nashville for my birthday, Napa on a girls trip, and Tulsa, Oklahoma for a Justin Bieber concert. And began the year in Kitzbühel, Austria at the Honnenkamm, which is like one of the craziest parties in the world.

50:05It's a big ski race party. Wow. Yeah, it's a really cool event. So. Comparable. Also Munich, Germany. How many countries do you think that was? I think it was like 20, 18 to 22. in that range. That was an action-packed year. I just was not having that action-packed year. I was living in Oklahoma City and apparently I went on two trips. And I looked and a lot of my friends got married that year. Like I went to, and that was, I graduated college in 2016. And then a lot of my friends got married. So I was doing baby, or wedding showers and weddings. And then I took two trips and you were, you came to America one time it sounds like for New York.

50:43I will go as far as saying I don't think I attended a single wedding in 2016. I don't think you attended a single wedding until 2020 probably. Did your friends get married? No. The wedding season probably started a year or two after that. You still have a lot of friends that aren't married. No, you have both. Mainly all your friends are actually married. Yeah. There's just like the group of New York single. We need a word. The New York single singletons. Singletons? But other than New York singletons. A lot of your friends are married. Everyone else is married. And have kids actually. So was of all of these travels that you went to, if you gave me a map and I had to pinpoint where all you were, I think I would get three of them right.

51:29What's the craziest story? Did you run a marathon anywhere? You hiked a mountain. I know you like to run marathons in other countries. What happened? I would say the craziest thing was definitely hiking with the gorillas in Rwanda. That is so cool. That to me is the coolest thing I have ever done. Ever? In the world, other than seeing you give birth to our daughter. There we go. So it's the second coolest thing you've ever done. Yes, correct. I want nothing more than to go to Africa and do a safari with you. Me too. It's like honeymoon done. Do we take the kids? Oh, no, honeymoon. No kids on the honeymoon.

52:06We'll have to go back with the kids when they're old enough. I don't know if, like, because safari is like what's mind-boggling. Bubba would look at a giraffe and be like, woof, woof. The problem is she'd get out of the thing. She'd run towards the lion. The number one rule is you can't get out of the truck. She wouldn't understand that they weren't her stuffed animals. They come so close to you. She would. No safaris for Bubba yet. Yeah. Yeah. Safari is like truly as magical of a life experience as one can have outside of children. Can we do that for our honeymoon? Yeah. And remember I'd said on the honeymoon piece, I talked about how there's like a place I've been saving.

52:55Yeah. What I can say is it does work with a safari. Okay. hey, so here's my take on travel now. I used to not be like so big on these long flights. Like I just find them exhausting, dehydrating. I want my food. Like now that we've had kids and we've traveled even a four hour flight with Bubber, I'll travel any amount of time on an airplane and just zonk out. And I'm officially like ready to go on long flights, even multiple flights to get there, long car rides. Like I can really do an intense travel day to get somewhere awesome. Getting to Africa is going to take a really long time. I mean, yeah.

53:36How long? Like a day and a half? Yeah, but we'll need to connect as well. But a day and a half total? I couldn't tell you. Okay. But probably 16, 18 hours. Yeah. Okay. I'm totally fine with that. You can plan it fun, whether it's like stopping in Dubai or stopping in London. I so I saw this tick-tock that said tell me the most overrated place you've ever been and Overwhelmingly in the comments people said Dubai. They said it's very depressing very concrete They hated it very dark. There's a 24 24 hours in Dubai would be would be would be fun Anywhere with you would be fun with 24 hours. Um, you make anything fun for 24 hours I think that Bangkok, Thailand is the most overrated place I've ever been to.

54:26Thailand? People love Thailand. Bangkok, specifically. Is Bangkok a city in Thailand? Bangkok's the main city. And why is it overrated? I just, I think it, well, just don't like it. Wasn't a lot there? Like, I think that I love a lot of different parts of Thailand. and the Pee Pee Islands. Pee Pee? Phuket. Phuket. Northern Thailand. I forget the place. There's a lot of great places in Thailand. I just, I don't like Bangkok. Bangkok was not. It's not beautiful. And the rest of Thailand, there's a lot of beautiful places. That's a valid reason to not like it, I think, for the beauty. Do you have any other?

55:08Super crowded. Oh, not pretty and crowded. And disorganized. Disorganized and like I didn't feel like there's a lot of, I didn't love the architecture. Not pretty, crowded and disorganized. Yes, just that specific city. Okay, I can't think of a parallel here in America. What were you going to ask? Well, is there any other stories? Did you run a marathon in all those cities? I ran a race in Inner Mongolia, half marathon. In Inner Mongolia. Yep. Okay, and how was it? It was very good. It was, I came 10th place. How many were the people running it? 12?

55:49That was funny. That was good. Thank you. That was good. 14. How many people were running it? Probably 100. Okay. 10th is really good. It was people doing the race. I'm glad there was people doing the race. There was a mix of people that came in for it and locals. Okay. You came in for it. Yeah. Just a Canadian guy. There's a local guy that ran part of the race with me, and he kind of saw me huffing and puffing, and he gave me some water and kind of wanted to have a chat, and that was a cool experience. Didn't they spoke English? No. It was like, it was a cool moment, and then he dusted me. At the end?

56:29We hung up for a little bit. I think he could tell, like, I didn't have the energy. Like, I was running a race, and so I was huffing wind, and he just had the stamina. And so he just had C. You got 10th. What did he get? Like 5th? I have no idea. 6th? 4th? I couldn't tell you. So I know that you and your family do this thing where you travel to places to do marathons. Sometimes. Like London? It's happened. London, South Africa. That's happened, yeah. Chicago. I thought there was a – is there an Australia race happening? there's been discussions of it i can so in high school in order to start on the volleyball team we had to run a mile in under eight minutes and 45 seconds and i hope tate who was my best friend in high school who i played volleyball with is listening to this and can attest i could never do it i had to go early i had to have somebody from the track team run with me i had to get a doctor's when you're like, I am a sprinter.

57:31I am not a long distance runner. What do we need to do to have you run a marathon with my dad and myself? I'll go to the marathon, but it's physical torture for me. But what do we need to do to get you to try it? Just try. Just sign up. Here's what you need to do. And do your best. Watch me run two miles and you will see. Like I physically can, I would assume. I don't know. But I think you watching that would be, I think you would see, like, I could not do it. I'm sure you could. I'm sure you could. I just would rather, like, I like short-term pain, not long-term. Not drug out. And here, okay, let me ask you this.

58:17What's your routine before a marathon? The night before? yeah i find that that i've only ran a couple of them but i've always kept it really loose for me i don't want to change things dramatically um and get out of my rhythm and so nice dinner glass or two of wine and go to bed at a at a reasonable hour don't like try to go to bed at like 6 p.m and then you're just going to be restless or 8 p.m you're just going to be restless all night and do you think like because a lot of people the night before a marathon i would assume like eat spaghetti like they carb load so they have energy the next morning they hydrate they do get in bed at a good time see i think that that um like if you're starting that the night before you're late to the game okay like the hydration needs to start weeks beforehand okay so it's got nothing at that point it's too late what you do the night before you always had a good quote though about like why you drank the night before and that's because you that's if you don't do well you have something to blame it on well that was a john jones um that was a john jones quote is he a boxer he's a ufc fighter he'd always in training go out and party so that way he had another lever to pull i i think it's less of that for me and it's just much more staying relaxed not taking it too too seriously but like i'm not a expert racer here i'm no but you don't take as recreational as it gets yeah but i think i think running marathons recreationally is like just my version of of like being tortured i think we'll do one together okay um i don't think we will but okay all right let's go to the bedtime routine for bubber you had said on an episode that we have a six minute bedtime routine for our 16 month old and a lot of people are wondering what on earth that is.

1:00:15I worry I'm going to underwhelm with this one. Okay. But yes, we have a very tight program that works well for Tate. How much of that is the program versus how she naturally quickly falls asleep? I'd probably assume the latter. But what do you want me to say? Just like what I do? What do you do? It's not rocket science. No one's saying it is. Just what do you do? I do follow like a, It's short and it's the same pattern. And it's when we go into the room, we go. It all starts with the change. Then after the change, lights off, sound machine, sleep sack goes on, four ounces of milk, very gentle brush of the teeth.

1:01:10then some i give her some quick words of encouragement and then i put her to bed i think that the only other thing i'd add is maybe things that i don't do okay and the importance of those and why i don't why you know i chose or we don't do and why we chose not to do them is i i is i felt like i just wanted it when we go through that her her sleep process to not associate that routine with the rest of the day and so like I don't read to her and the reason why I don't read to her is because she reads throughout the rest of the day and so if she reads before bed then I feel like how is she gonna delineate between reading and going to sleep versus reading at you know 1 p.m.

1:02:02for an activity she also never plays in her crib crib is just for sleeping time Yeah, and I take that a step further. Like the bedroom is for sleeping. So as you said, she's never in the crib to play. She's only in the crib to sleep. The chair, she's never, the chair that I give her the milk in, the only time she's ever in that chair is before bed. Yeah, or if she wakes up in the middle of the night, that's the sleeping time winding down chair. And the general bedroom, she never plays in the bedroom. She plays outside of the bedroom, in the living room. So I don't know how all this stuff. I think the number one thing, though, is bath time for her.

1:02:43Oh, and there's one other thing. Even the changing table. The only time I change her on the changing table in her room is before bed. In the morning when I wake her up, I change her downstairs. Oh, I change her in her room sometimes when I wake her up because sometimes there's a lot of. I just want to get her out of the room as fast as possible. Yeah. So that way the room is for sleeping. and outside of the room is for living. And once again, I don't think this is rocket science. I feel like a lot of parents do this, but it's worked for us. But also, bath time for her is really fun. It's splash, splash, splash.

1:03:16It's animals. It's like she has a ball in the bath, so she bathes always before dinner. Whatever it is throughout the day, doesn't matter. She takes her bath before dinner. It's not bath and then bedtime because we think that wakes her up. Yeah, totally. She gets so much excitement in the tub. But I think the two main things is like our routine for her for bedtime we never made it long like we just never started with the books we never started with the bath and so we do we just we try to make it really really quick and and it just has worked for us yeah we we keep it very short it's bedtime oriented activities and not messing or not muddying the waters with like other types of activities if that makes sense totally totally so we we have a short bedtime routine so people have a long one and they love it but for us like we're just short but also i do think i do think this is her much more her than the routine like i think if she was a tough sleeper i'm not like i'm not sure this would work for her like this is work for her we'll see what works for baby too yeah and maybe with some kids you do have to have lights off 30 minutes before we do start to wind down like she can wind down quick because that's always what we've done and the reason why i change her first right when i get in that room change her first you're saying yeah when we go in the room and i change her is one like hopefully that's when she realizes like the process is starting but too like that is like oh that's when she's most likely to wake up like because you're cold when you just doesn't really like it yeah and so just get it out of the way yeah do it first is really good yeah i like your words of encouragement that you say the nana picks them up mama's number one he tells her every night i tell her she's gonna have a great great leap great night bears time i'll get you in the morning it's really cute yeah she's number one she's a good just so she knows even though i'm putting her to bed number one you're number one but you love that time that's not a joke by the way i actually say that you say it during the daytime too yeah i don't think anybody i think it's really important like i i do i do really tell like i really walk her through the sleep though and i and i encourage her i say she's gonna have a really nice i call it leaps She's going to have a really nice leap.

1:05:29She's going to go leapy bear. Yeah, leapy bear. I realize we have our own language with her. Well, she has her own language with us. Absolutely. It's really cute. Okay, let's go to things we DMed. The first thing we DMed is Koro created a breastfeeding monitor. Basically, it looks like a nipple situation that you put over the boob when you're breastfeeding. And it monitors how much milk your baby is getting. people do not like it interesting in the video he's like this really solves a problem the guy that i saw he was selling it in the comments it was like this is breastfeeding is a very natural thing the best part about a baby is when they're full they will just unlatch and you don't need to know really how much they got okay tell me if this lands this to me feels like a product that as a first time parent you would like rush to buy but as a second time parent you'd be like trust the process i even think as a first maybe a first time parent for the first two weeks you'd be like i should i need to know how much milk they're getting but you do weighted feeds if you really need to know you weigh in before and you can weigh in after maybe some parents i feel like this is something we would have bought the first time around i i think i do agree maybe we would have bought it but i also think like breastfeeding it's just a natural thing like adding a layer of like plastic in between you and the baby just seems to really disrupt the whole process what i am like very supportive of is is i do love that we are is that as society we are creating a bunch of different tools and devices that people like then have the option to use it supports mothers and if you do need to know how much milk you're making it's fabulous for you i just think the majority think that breastfeeding is this very nat all natural process this is a bit disruptive to that so i do understand that school of thought but also if your baby does need to gain weight this is a good way to track it yes and and that is the caveat that i should have added is like obviously for that case of monitoring your weight.

1:07:48I really understand the use case. The other problem is though that I found with breastfeeding is sometimes you breastfeed and then your boobs are still full so you have to pump. It would be nice to know like how much was taken out, how much is probably left in the boob. Like there is that game you're playing, but I don't know. overall in like the consumer world i would just think i could see a use case for it i can and i can't um but the comments that i saw were overwhelmingly like we're good we don't need it um but i'm with you i do i do appreciate attempting innovation that you would find helpful for breastfeeding mothers my favorite that's happened was what state was it minnesota illinois illinois illinois with the 30 minutes um i did actually sorry illinois made the law that you have to allow 30 minutes of paid leave for women to breastfeed or breast pump yeah and then i saw a bunch of comments talking about how other countries naturally do that anyways i'm sure they were like what do you mean and i was like well progress progress is progress the second things we dm'd is a product that has already sold out and a dad created this so his kid didn't see him on his phone and it is a book that magnets to your phone and so it looks like you're reading a book but you're actually on your phone I like this because I've seen I've been I've been understanding the effects it has not your kids being on screen time your kids seeing you on your screen i understand you should not be on your screen that much in front of your kids however we're human there are times when parents are just going to check their phone in front of their kids yeah like i like this but i like it for very specific use cases versus like becoming the default like as we've been talking about Like what I'm trying to do myself is create separation, like just not have my phone around me when she's there.

1:10:00But yeah, for the times that you do need to be on it, then this is a great tool. But like this being something that like you're just you're using at the dinner table. Like, no, I'm completely out on this being something that, you know, you're ripping off emails when you get home from work. Like, sure. Where where I even gravitate towards this, though, in general, is it means parents are thinking about it like parents are love it. Parents are understanding it's harmful for my kids to always see me on my phone. So let's make a book to to disrupt that. I'm in on that school of thought. Yeah. But where I think it's where I don't like it is what we've learned is at especially at a very pivotal age, right, between one and three.

1:10:47I think your kids start to feed you cues and they're nonverbal cues. Sometimes like a lot of times Tate will do this. I was making eggs the other day and she was giving me more on the grapes. They were sliced grapes. If I missed the more, she'd go, ah, ah. And so I'd look at her and then she would do it for me. Right. So she was trying to get my attention. I think when you're on your phone, if you're reading a book, if you're distracted in general, sometimes you miss the cues. What we've learned when you hit the cue, they build confidence. Like, so I do understand being present. Why are you laughing?

1:11:18Because if you were listening to an audio book, you could still see. You could see. But you couldn't hear. You couldn't hear, Jules. You couldn't hear. But they're nonverbal cues. Nonverbal cues here. I was thinking of – no, but she makes the noise. I was thinking of like a way to tie in audio books to that, but I couldn't. I do think one thing that has been like really cool to watch is like she probably did more for the first time six or seven months ago. but she didn't do it consistently. And like she really, you could tell like she didn't know what it truly meant. And so watching that, the process of her figuring out more to today, where like she gets it, like she really understands it.

1:12:03And she can kind of like test it, has been really fun to watch. But the cutest was the other day, we had the flock chicken sticks and she had it in her hand. She took a bite of it and she wanted to eat more of it. And so she gave us the more and we were like, oh, Bubba, you're holding it. Like you have more. Yeah. It's really cute. I've noticed she can't say more at all. Like, so she does this, but she's all done. And all done is this. Like when she's finished with her meal, she'll just go. But more, she gives us the finger. That's been pivotal to learn the more symbol because sometimes you don't know if she's liking what she's eating.

1:12:39And there's nothing cuter than when she gives you the more. Okay. I think that we can end it on the more. What other sign language does she do? Well, the other cute thing is bringing the papados. But what I love that Maria does for the papados is she, she, this, I said this last episode, there are certain things I love to learn from Maria, who is like just a developmental educational queen. And she, I noticed today when she was putting on their zapados, she also sat on the floor. and I was like why are you sitting on the floor and she was like because I'm modeling to them what we're all going to do when we put our shoes on so maybe we're supposed to sit on the floor with her when she puts her papados on yeah I thought that was cute and so she said the other day when they were at the library the girls wanted a snack and she said okay but only if we all sit on the floor and they all sat and had their snacks and they had to stay seated the whole time and eat their snacks Bubber knows when she's with Maria versus when she's with us but us should be running laps eating that snack with Maria as she knows it's not sietete it's I was using the wrong word for sit I mean your Spanish vocabulary is increasing every day I it's motivating me to to try and keep up I'm I'm really enjoying it like I want to learn Spanish and so I'm enjoying asking Maria like Maria asked me today how do you say this and it was diaper cream in Spanish or in English.

1:14:12And then I was asking her, like, how are we saying sit? How are we saying? I always forget head. Cabeja. Cabeja. Yeah, yeah, cabeja. But donde esta ojos is like, we love to point at our eyes and our head and our nose. So it's cute. Really cute little developmental phase we're in. All right, everybody. Well, thank you for listening. And if you're listening. and if and if you're listening especially up until this point my push present from you to me is to subscribe to like to comment leave a comment um and send this to a friend thank you for listening we love you guys thank you for listening thanks for listening to another episode of two parents in a podcast powered by just media house if you enjoyed the show don't forget to like subscribe, comment, rate, and review.

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This week on Two Parents & A Podcast — we have a LOT of baby #2 updates after our third-trimester OB appointment. Things escalated quickly and apparently Harrison is now delivering the baby??? (Our doctor casually suggested that dads can deliver the second baby (???) and we’re still unpacking that), plus we talk through the breech situation (Harrison keeps calling it “THE BREACH” like a contract hahahah) and why I’m choosing NOT to do anything to flip him.

From there, we get into what feels different the second time around — the things we obsessed over with our first baby that we truly do not care about anymore — and why that confidence immediately turned into redesigning half the house. We share nursery plans, the guest-room shuffle, and the logistical chaos of prepping for baby #2 while still very much parenting a toddler.

Then Harrison explains why he’s officially OUT on Waymo (parking lot purgatory + surprise “voice of god” moments), and we spiral into Austin’s most unhinged design choice: back-in angle parking (with a bike lane in between, obviously). We also confirm that every couple has a driver — and yes, we know exactly who ours is (spoiler alert: NOT Harrison). 

We revisit the audiobooks vs. reading debate (we decided every can participate in book club but Jules has to wear a scarlett letter on her chest), share a nonstick-pan update (turns out “full blast heat” was the problem), and take a nostalgic detour back to 2016 (where were you and why does it suddenly feel iconic?). Plus, we talk about marrying into a marathon family (I’ll watch) and the moment everyone has been waiting for… we break down our 6-minute bedtime routine!!! 

And in Things We DMed Each Other: the world’s first “accurate” breastfeeding monitor (do we need this??), a phone-disguising gadget meant to keep babies’ worlds screen-free, and baby sign language — aka how one tiny “more” hand sign changed our entire mealtime experience :) 

LOVE YOU GUYS — thanks for listening!!

Timestamps:

00:00:00 Welcome back to Two Parents & A Podcast!

00:04:40 Second baby energy: what we obsessed over the first time (and don’t now)

00:05:50 House update: Nursery plans + guest room setup

00:11:13 Harrison is officially OUT on Waymos (support your local Uber driver!)

00:18:36 What is the benefit of back-in angle parking?! 

00:21:24 Every couple has a driver… and we know who ours is

00:24:20 Audiobooks vs books (the debate continues)

00:28:35 We finally learned how to not ruin our nonstick pans

00:32:40 Our OB says dads can deliver baby #2?!

00:39:07 Why I’m not flipping my breech baby

00:46:20 We’re nostalgic for 2016

00:55:47 Marrying into a marathon family (and why I’ll never run one)

00:59:05 Our 6-minute bedtime routine for a 16-month-old

01:04:39 Things We DMed Eachother: The world's first accurate breastfeeding monitor

01:08:02 Things We DMed Eachother: Keeping your infant’s world phone-free

01:10:16 Baby sign language (and how “more” changed everything)

01:13:33 LOVE YOU GUYS!

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