High-effort friends, third places & will THIS ruin our toddler's sleep habits?!

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0:36Happy Monday! Party people in the house. Seemed like there was some good football this weekend. Seemed like it's not a good day to be an OU fan, maybe? Yeah, OU got smacked by Georgia. There was a lot of good football on Saturday, and yeah, a lot of NFL on Sunday. So we had a really fun weekend. We had Dear Media by Day on Saturday. And you guys, I got to say, it was just everything I expected and more. It was so fun. It was so fun and so fulfilling because it's nerve-wracking to go. So they asked us, you know, do you two, will you guys do this panel around having it all-ish? We were like, we'd love to do a panel.

1:25Yes. I think it would be helpful to clarify what Dear Media by Day is. I think it would be. Yeah. Go ahead. So they rented out this big event space, indoor-outdoor. And I think there's probably 350 people there. Yeah. And so one of the rooms had a bunch of really cool brand activations. Favorite daughter. Favorite daughter, Bumble.

1:55Archie's. Yeah, Archie's. Yeah, that was a big one. Archie's. Moonin. Yes. All these were very present sponsors. And then they had four panels. Yep. And it was also fun because we had friends on, we did one of them and we had friends on two of the other three. Yep. But, okay, so they basically, Dear Media by Day, it's this whole day of you come, you sit in the audience, you get to, there was a picture podcast section and you can go shop the brand activations. Like there was a, there was past appetizers. There was a bar. It was really, it was a really, really, really well done event. The first panel was, it was Alison Ellsworth of Poppy, who we've had on here before, Sarah Foster and Ty Henley, who started Outdoor Voices.

2:44Haney. Who started Outdoor Voices. Second one was the finance panel, which Hannah Chody was on. The third one was us. And then the fourth one was Lauren and Michael Bostic with Whitney Wolfherd from Bumble. and okay so i think we have to discuss a couple things number one harrison and i didn't have a moderator so we didn't have somebody asking us questions we were talking through what they wanted us to discuss which is having it all ish you know very much a presentation it was really fun that's why it was so challenging because i was like it's not like we're just sitting up there someone's asking us questions we're gonna have to provide value to these people that bought tickets all while answering the questions ourselves too.

3:27Like we were the flow of the conversation and the answers. It was a presentation. But it wasn't a presentation because it was fun to listen to. We had so much fun. It was a fun presentation. Sure. The audience was amazing. Yep. They were so engaged. And yeah, I just think we spoke for 30 minutes and I just think we really enjoyed it. And so what we did when they came to us and they were like, Like, okay, the topic is having it all-ish, balancing your family life with your career. We sat down and we're like, okay, what do we want to talk about? And one thing that Harrison and I do every day, but at least once a week out loud to each other.

4:07And we've talked about it on the podcast before, but it's been a while since we talked about it because it's such a normal part of our daily routine. Is we have these six buckets that we call our family framework. And H told me about them on our first date. But basically, it's the things we prioritize. and we go through and we rank them on a scale of one to ten so for example well let's go through the buckets we've done this before let's do it again so it's family which is like our family also our extended families career so for h that's the naked market your day-to-day impact what are you doing on a day-to-day basis to fulfill yourself um relationships so him and i i love life um health yep both physical and mental because you can't have one without the other.

4:50Yeah, I think the emphasis on that one is mental. Spirituality, which for some people is religion. But I always joke and say, my friend Jennifer Welch always says that her religion is politics. So that bucket to me is kind of like your favorite hobby. But for us, I mean, I put that as a spirituality, religion bucket. And then which one have I forgotten? Family, community. Oh, community, your village. Your village. Your village, your people, your friends. Okay, so we take all those and we're constantly ranking it. So the example I gave was my mental health a couple of weeks ago. Harrison was like, okay, how you feeling?

5:24I was like, my mental health bucket is a six out of 10. You kind of, you spoke to it, you alluded to it on the pod for sure. Yeah, I was like, I'm feeling overwhelmed. This is when I was weaning off of breastfeeding too. So he's like, okay, well, what can you, what's not fulfilling you? What can you afford to give up? So I thought about it and I was like, breastfeeding is taking a mental and physical toll on me and I'm starting to resent it. So I'll get rid of that. And I stopped writing my sub stack. because whenever I was postpartum with Rocky, we added three episodes on here on the pod a week.

5:53And I started writing my sub stack and I was like, it's too much. I'm too overwhelmed trying to like have a newborn do all this. So I stopped writing the sub stack and I stopped breastfeeding. We checked back in last week and Harrison said, how are you feeling? How's the one to 10? I was like, we're back up to an eight or a nine. So that's an example of when one of the buckets is low, you prioritize it. And that's what we discussed. And I think it really landed because the other thing I talked about was Harrison asked me, you know, how, so we talked about our relationship bucket and we define our roles before having Tate and Rocky, because when you have a kid, it's going to strain your relationship, of course.

6:33So what we did was we sat down and we defined roles and responsibilities. Like if I'm breastfeeding, he's doing morning and night duty. Also Harrison likes quality time. So but I like words of affirmation, right? Harrison says to me, okay, that all sounds good in theory, but what if she's - Yeah, how does this all like work in reality? Like you can say you're gonna do stuff as a couple, but then like life comes at you and people get tired and new responsibilities come up. And so like what happens when one person in the relationship isn't feeling like their partner's holding up their end of the bargain?

7:05How do you bring that up? And this is the secret sauce, I think, of the family framework, which is in our past relationships, what we probably would have done is if our relationship bucket was at a five out of ten, right, we would have said, okay, number one, we would have built up a bunch of resentment and just like spewed it out one bad day. Or number two, we would have tried to communicate it, but it would have been ineffective. And I always say your message is only as loud as it can be heard. And so now what we're able to say is, hey, my relationship bucket isn't full. And the reason it's not full is because I feel like, yeah, I'm vacuuming and you're taking out the trash, but I feel disconnected from you.

7:46Like I want to flirt with you. We need to go on dates. And so then Harrison, Harrison doesn't feel attacked whenever I say that, right? He are, we've already named that we care about these things. So we just, he just is like, okay, relationship bucket, let's prioritize it. Then we'll check back in two weeks later and we'll see how are we feeling about it. So it's a really, really, really effective way to communicate inside your relationship, especially when you've got kids, I think. Yeah. I think to build a bit off what you just said, part of the beauty of this is I think most people would agree that they value these six things.

8:19Totally. Right. But where it does get novel is by defining them, by committing to them, by bringing them to the family system, and by consistently talking about them and monitoring them, it allows you to really stay on top of the things that matter in your life. And the one thing to double tap, and I'm not sure how clear we made it, but a very important piece of this, of the family framework, is ranking each bucket and how you feel on each bucket consistently. because that way if you're consistently at a 9 out of 10 or an 8 out of 10 or a 10 out of 10 in the mental and physical health category, but it dips to a 5, you can catch it and you have something to previously compare it to and then get it back on track.

9:23So family, love life, relationship, community, your village, your career, spirituality, and mental, physical health. How do you decide where you're going to put your effort towards? Because you just touched on this. If one of the buckets is low. Yeah, that's exactly where it is. And you identify what's low and that's where you spend time. Like if you're 9 out of 10 or 10 out of 10 in an area, there's not nearly as much benefit to taking like your mental, physical health from a 9 out of 10 to a 10 out of 10 as there is like improving your community bucket from a three out of 10 to an eight out of 10.

10:02Now, yeah, so we talked about like how this all came to be, more examples of it getting implemented, the process of tracking. Well, hold on. I want to stop on one thing you just said. Yeah. Because I think what, so what he's saying is if you have a bucket that's a three, like if you're in really good shape, but you don't have a lot of friends right now or your friends feel like you're never there for them, that's really important because it's easier if you're in really good shape to just keep going to the gym yeah but instead what harrison's saying is look at if you value friendship and community in your village if you value balance if you value if you value this and it's at a three well it will behoove you to raise that to a 10 so focus your time there don't focus more time on the gym yeah and we're kind of like patching how we're talking about this together right now we're gonna do a full episode on it you know what we need to talk about which like you guys didn't talk about is like how these things um can overlap and like how you can uh how do i take your friends to the gym take your friends to the gym like habit stacking the buckets beautiful very good call very good call this episode is brought to you by honest with a five-month-old and a two-year-old at home our days are basically one non-stop stream of tiny decisions from what goes on their skin to what we grab for bath time, snuggles, spills, and every mess in between.

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12:36Yeah. A deep dive into it. I would love to. Which we just did a semi-de... The last thing I'll say on it... Do a high-level overview. is I'm really quick to feel overwhelmed and this has really helped me because sometimes I'll be like everything is overwhelming me and Harrison will be like I bet it's not everything let's talk through it how you feeling about your friends in your village and I'll say I feel good how you feeling about mental physical health good how you feeling about your career so overwhelmed and he's like then everything's not overwhelming you actually you've got some buckets that are really really good but yeah you should make some changement some changes in the career bucket and then we do the same thing with him when it's like I feel over but he's a systems thinker Harrison is able to think about things in a systematic format where I'm not it's all jumbled for me so these buckets really help um okay so yes I think that one thing that's interesting to talk about it's like when we met the Bostics because we met them before this and they were like I always wonder how people are going to be in person right and one thing I loved I loved about Lauren it was like she came in the room and she was talking to everybody just asking them about them they were very down to earth they're very professional like Dear Media has been it's been a great this was a really good first step kicking off with them like we got to meet a lot of people that run the social that do ad sales some in Austin some in New York some LA and Dear Media is just a very well oiled machine and the Bosticks were very very nice yeah very well resourced yeah like they have a lot of people and a lot of talented people and the event was a very good reflection of that yeah yeah very but it's a good um it was a good jumping off point for us like we announced on monday and then on saturday we had this event and that was like that timing was perfect yeah you know what's crazy is like there's so many people that i've been interfacing with over email or over zoom and like then we just got to meet like we wouldn't have gotten to meet all of them so quickly if we didn't have this but i've i just feel like we're with the extra resources that we're getting from them it's like we're just interfacing with so many more people on a daily or weekly basis and and i'm like whoa that's what lauren said she's like okay how's it been and i was like you guys are very high touch yeah it's great we feel very taken care of yeah and it's fun that they're in austin i do i they everyone was like come to the office and i was like wait we'll come yeah it's a big transition from like the four of us just like sitting in this room and you know consistently recording and and um getting things out to now being like whoa like there's real um real brain power and resources to help they help grow in the pod but i i remember like i remember finding lauren long time ago and she's built a she's really built a real network I mean, that's pretty cool to see.

15:28Yeah, for sure. So I want to kind of talk about a couple things as it relates to the event. And one of them is public speaking. Okay? Because one unique dynamic was public speaking in front of 300 plus people. So how did it feel? What prep work did – why don't you talk about the prep work we did beforehand that you think worked or that didn't work? and uh what tips do you have for people that are nervous public speakers um okay number one it was this panel was so much harder than i thought it was hard because all they gave us was really a title and a couple questions we could go off of but we couldn't sit up there and just ping pong questions back and forth we wouldn't have provided value we planned to just go up there and shoot the shit.

16:23And then we looked at the other panels and we recognized like how much value the other panels were providing. And so we were like, all right, we need to take it on ourselves to make sure we self-reflect on our lives and look at, all right, where can we add the most value to the audience? And it was really hard. So what we did was we probably ran it, we probably spent three hours a day on it, starting on Monday. And we would do it in three different blocks because my brain, postpartum moms will get this, like I just kept getting tired and a little bit confused. so I'd say I've tapped out and I need a break and I'd walk around and I'd come back and then we would hit it again so we had to first write it then we had to perfect it then we had to rehearse it and yeah that's when things feel better for me I can kind of equate this to whenever I did that rough and rowdy boxing match of like that was really hard and it was scary and it felt really good afterwards and this was the same thing it was hard it gave me good butterflies healthy butterflies and then that's when i felt proud afterwards was because it was hard like i felt accomplished yeah um what about you

17:31so i like hated public speaking forever and i didn't realize i hated public speaking until i was like because until i was in college and i had to give a presentation and the presentation didn't go well and so and i got super nervous up there and i was always a really confident speaker and at that point i just kind of like buried the the prospect of speaking in front of large groups of people um and i probably buried that for 10 years and then maybe five years ago uh plus minus i was invited to speak on my first ever um like entrepreneurship panel and I was there with, you know, it was me and, and three other entrepreneurs and like reluctantly did it.

18:20Uh, and I did it to kind of get over the fear and I was comfortable ish with it. And, and that allowed me to start doing a couple others. And then I gave my first ever presentation, um, where it was just me, uh, probably three years ago on the business in front of a similar-ish stage of people and that I felt very comfortable doing and so I just kind of build it off of it it's been reps I was very I was definitely nervous for this one because this one was something I've never talked about before really which is like our family framework and you and I have never done it before and And so like my, is fear the right word?

19:13Yeah. Nervousness. Fear's the best thing we can get. My nervousness probably got up to like a six to a seven out of 10. Yeah. And then when we sat down, it went to a zero. And most importantly, now that we've done it once, I'm like, I'm all in on doing more live events with you. like that was probably what i was most nervous about was this idea of hey if we go out there and crush it we can go do this like like many many many more times but given this was the first time that you and i had ever done something like this together if it didn't go well it would have like we wouldn't have done it again right that's that's kind of what i was looking for in that giant ramble sorry if it got boring there for a second well i i was just thinking like why i used to be nervous I stopped getting nervous.

20:03Why did I get nervous for this one? Because it was the first time you and I had done it. And like, it was going to go in two ways. And I think it went the best way possible. But do you know what I was thinking about? Like, before we went, I was like, oh, you guys don't get to be nervous. Like, we don't. You can tell sometimes when someone's nervous speaking. Like, if you're at a wedding listening to speech, like, I can always tell if someone's nervous. When you're a podcaster and like a content creator, even though there's no live audience right here, and I'm very used to doing this. In people's minds, we should be able to do that too.

20:36Right. I was thinking like the 300 people there, it's a small, small sliver of the people that listen to every single episode. Right. But it's like the difference of being in person versus being in this room is crazy. Jules, it's gnarly. It's just like there's actually no difference. Why? But there's some mental block about seeing their faces right there. Because if you gave me a prompt and I sat down and we recorded all the way through, which we do all the time, no problem. There was one hilarious thing that I was kind of thinking of. I was like, man, if something really bad happens, people will be in the crowd recording and it would go very viral.

21:18And then I was like, people aren't going to be recording. When we walked out, just everyone had their phones out. And I was like, wow, no mistakes. No mistakes. Did you see how the phones were out? Yeah. But like, what could happen? Right. Like, I don't even know. Yeah, like, what would you have said? Stuttered or? No, it's like. Lost your train of thought? Short circuiting up there. Like, you see what happens to people when they public speak. Like, sometimes they just lock up. Yeah. And if one of us locked up, it just like, it would have sucked. And now I'm, and like, I was really trying not to, my whole goal was like, don't get in your head in any way.

22:07And like, just put positive energy, like in, in your, in positive, like win in your sales. And like, I, I kind of, kind of did a bit of testing. I, after the UT game, I like got back, I was like, how are you feeling? And it was kind of a light answer. I was like, you're nervous. And you're like, yep. I was like, shit, shit. how nervous is she and i didn't want to like ask i didn't want to like dive deep the appropriate amount of nervous yeah but i didn't know if you were like no spiraling i'm never gonna spiral really like if there's a task and most of the time i've got it is it gonna be hard yeah great but like i'm not gonna go fuck it up that's what this was for me like are you nervous yes but you know if you've got a shot to do something like this like you have to rise to the you have to rise to the occasion yeah can i can i say one thing that i and we can probably move on then yeah and what i said to alex before we got out of the car i said do you pressure as a privilege and what i said to alex is i said growing up like you always hear about this phrase of like fake it till you make it and as we were getting out of the car i looked at her i was like that phrase could not be less relevant to this moment today because we aren't faking it like we actually love our lives we believe we have it all ish and like let's just go and talk about why we love every day and why we love doing life together yep um and i really felt that yeah but you still there's still an element of like you have to articulate it in a way that lands in 30 minutes in 30 minutes but it wasn't it wasn't like us going up there and talking about something that like we didn't believe or know anything about it wasn't a science experiment like it wasn't a fake it too it was let's go talk about okay i'm moving us on today yep okay so i like this i like this um discourse that's going online right now which is a high effort friend being a high effort friend because i think one thing that we really said okay to like three or or four years ago, I was like, just stay in bed.

24:23It's say, stop saying yes so much, start saying no. And I think there's like the truth somewhere in the middle, which is when, so I always draw circles of my friends and I call them a first circle friend, second circle friend, third circle friend. I know a lot of people do for my first circle friends being a high effort friend, I think is really important, but also a low maintenance friend. I think there's beauty in both of those like high effort is I'll come and I'll support you because I know what matters to you, but I'm also low maintenance in the sense of like you do not need to text me back and if you cancel on something like my feelings are not hurt just know what matters and be able to read the room on what doesn't right totally anything to add no i had popped this in there because i thought it was really nice that all of your friends came to the event not to bring it back to the event jules it was so nice that they came and jules came and told us where they were sitting beforehand and it that was it was like a cozy blanket no i couldn't believe the guys came that's what i was most surprised about i would have expected the girls to have come i was very surprised the guys came but no one actually had to come at the end of the day no no one had to come and this was a work thing here as i'll say i didn't want anyone to come i didn't ask them to come it meant so much that they came that was what was so cool about it we didn't ask anyone to come so right when it was released some of my friends text me and they're like we all just bought tickets and i clocked it though i was like you guys bought tickets and then then the other then the other group was like okay we're coming and i was like well we have we have like some names on the list we can add so we added some and everyone was like work and then the other ones bought the tickets that couldn't cut like that didn't make out on the list like everyone just like figured out a way to get there I was like I love you guys thank you it meant a lot it meant a lot but I'm just saying we didn't invite them yeah they they made the effort they made the effort we all went to dinner afterwards together it was very very fun um this episode is brought to you by Little Spoon just when you figure out what your kids eat they change the rules on you new teeth new skills new opinions and suddenly you're back to square one trying to figure out what you can buy and whether you can trust it.

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27:52That's L I T T L E S P O O N.com slash two parents with code two parents for 30 % off your first order. But I think that it's the, the thing that I'd add on to this and being like what so the saying is a high effort friend yeah in the discourse is that like there's not a lot of high effort friends in 2026 there there's not there's a lot in Austin though I feel like the key to being a high effort friend though is making sure that the areas in which you're putting your effort are appreciated by the other friend so like if i have a friend who like drops off coffee at our house like that does zero for me right and so it's like i think that what i appreciate so much about call it that that close circle of friends is them understanding me and what moves the needle for me as a very very low maintenance friend like you only need to kind of do one or two things a year that like that yeah that really i have an example of that that i think like i bring one of my friends like i bring her to the airport every single time she needs to go to the airport and that would do like nothing for you guys right i think right because we would uber and we're happy to and and i'll go as far as saying it's a bigger inconvenience for you to take me to the airport than for me to uber why because you're texting me what time do you want to leave this like i don't i don't want any discourse as you would say jules any discourse i don't know yeah she loves to use the word discourse online i say that oh yeah any discourse around like the logistics of getting to the airport like i'm when i'm ready i'm gonna call the uber the uber's gonna be there in four minutes yeah but for your one friend for me like i mean i i mean this is charlotte but like she'll watch my dog when I go out of town as well so like but she doesn't have a dog so I need something like that's similar-esque that I can do every single time she needs it and we use it also as like time you know a 25 minute ride to hang out before and then a 25 minutes to hear about her trip on the way back yeah and like I say you tell me when you want to leave and she knows I will be there at that time and then you tell me when to pick you up and I will also be there I get why eight out of 10 people would love this.

30:15I'm just in the two out of 10 people where it's a firm. I'm just going back to your point of like that wouldn't be something that I ever offered to do for you guys. Yeah. Because like it wouldn't move the needle. Right, right. That's a good example of, yeah, you have to know. And so our friends picked up on what would be good is if we go. And that was good. Okay. Yeah. I'm just trying to think of things that really, um moved the needle for me as a friend but there's really not that many of them you're a quality time person whether you think so or not you are yeah i care more about having like great experiences and moments with my friends than any of the other small stuff it's so funny i was just thinking about that because i'm going on a trip this week and i'm excited for the trip but i was thinking like i could go spend 10 days with my friend that I'm going with and we could sit on the couch and I would have just as equally of a good time sitting on the couch than if I was having like experiences with her I'm gonna build off that you were going nope go that was that was our day yesterday there's nothing in the world I rather would have done than our day yesterday which is we went to okay so there is a new kid in the nanny share right a little girl her family who we know the parents pretty well now um they invited us and some of our friends over there's five families over so after everyone woke up from nap time we all went over there and they blew up like a bounce house slide water thing in the backyard they have a pool they ordered barbecue there was football on in the background it was perfect i just sat watched the kids play ate had a couple drinks and watched football i mean could not have asked for a more perfect day because i was on the i was on the couch for a lot of it jules yeah he was i was doing a lot of running around i was in i was in the bounce house i'd rock a man big football guy rock a man he loves football yeah he loves it um so jules i want to go back to your trip that's this week yeah what day do you leave thursday jules goes to Europe.

32:32I have a great, with Jenny, Jenny in Europe, Jenny in Paris. Jenny is not going. Jenny is literally not going to Europe. Wait, Jules, tell us where you're going. I'm going to Italy and the South France. France. Are you wearing the shorts that you wore? Maybe. So Jules' outfit, Jules and Pete both represented and looked very cute at Dear Media by day. Thank you. I think that these shorts that you wore need to go on the trip. They probably will. They have to, the outfit. I just did a big order from Abercrombie and it's going to be here Wednesday. So we'll see. Otherwise, I'll just be wearing this.

33:06Dicey. Dicey to let it, to have it arrive the day before. So what days are you gone? Thursday to Sunday. The following. So we're recording four episodes without you? Correct. Okay. Which we've talked through all this. I think he's just digesting it again. One of the four episodes should be the family framework episode. Okay, cool. Yeah. Do you want to do that for Friday? Let's do that for Friday. That'd be great because I'm going to be at a wedding when the episode comes out. And so we can record that at some point this week and then put, boom. That worked for everyone? Yeah, that's great. Where's the wedding?

33:40Outside of Florence. Fun. Yeah. It'll be good. Who's going? Zoe. Fun. Who's my best friend? And this is my friend from my former job. Earmuffs, Charlotte. Earmuffs. Yeah. Earmuffs. Fact. Sorry to all my friends. Actually, my friends know. I have like six to eight best friends that I can all call my best friends and that's it and then there's no more than that but my friend that's getting married I used to work with her but I had set her up to be roommates with Zoe in Chicago and they lived together for like three years Zoe bears Zoe bears yeah so Zoe and you were both going for 10 days yeah do Jenny and Zoe still have beef Jenny and Zoe Jenny and Zoe never had beef that's yeah that's just Emily and Jenny have beef really yeah emmy bears okay okay that's enough about these people okay but yes going 10 days fun it's gonna be fun yeah the flight will be fun yeah i think so i just think it will because you can just like you can just like do whatever you want oh i am excited for that so um one of my so how are you flying jfk jfk are you meeting zoe there yeah and she made me fight him a lot and off florence I don't want to talk about it, but that's tough.

35:00So how are you getting from Milan to Florence? A train or a car. Okay. I'm like the most type B of travelers. Do you bring food on planes? No. What? I don't get hangry. We've talked about this. But this is a long flight. It's such a long flight. But they're going to have the meal. No, you got to go sandwich. You got to go sandwich. At least a safety sandwich. You got to go sandwich. Maybe like a chomps in a bar No, no, no, no This to me like Safety snacks We haven't been to Europe in forever But I would find So my favorite What I would do with Giada Is I would take it When I lived in LA Is I would always take a Giada sandwich on my flight Okay, here's a bicker of the week Yeah How long can a sandwich sit out on an airplane 12 hours Or anywhere 12 hours Before it's unedible I think it's three hours I think when the meat is warm You cannot eat it 12 hours.

35:5512 hours. He will let a sandwich with meat, poultry sit out for 12 hours. I'll be smart about what type of sandwich I bring depending on how long until I eat it. Okay. Well, what's your longest sandwich? Like what actual type of sandwich? Yeah. What's your longest standing sandwich that you'll wait the most amount of time to eat? So if I have a long haul flight, I'll do an Italian sandwich and I'll do it no tomatoes. so that because tomatoes they really they they moisten the bread and but doesn't italian have like a lot of like seasonings and moisture on it anyways yeah italian dressing yeah that's disgusting you're gonna let that sit up for 12 hours and marinate soften the bread i just thought about this a bit more i won't be bringing food because my flight is out of austin at noon so i will be eating at the austin airport i will get my joe's coffee and my breakfast tacos yeah and then And then I land at JFK at 5 and I don't take off until 7.

36:54So I will be eating dinner at JFK. Okay. And then like if I needed to eat after dinner, that's insane. Like I don't eat snacks. So why do I need to eat snacks in the flight? Are you sleeping on this flight then? I don't know. Or at least watching movies. Can I give you some taco tips, some Austin Airport taco tips? Sure. Don't get the tacos from Joe's. Walk over and get them from Choco Deli. No, I know. Where do you get them from? I just get them from Joe's. Convenience. No. I think those ones, I think what I've triangulated with the Austin airport is I think there's like a food service taco situation that goes where they get dropped off at all these different vendors and they have a different label versus taco delis are taco delis.

37:41Yeah, but I just don't care. It's just like the calories are in. Can you send me a photo of the Joe's tacos? I want to see if they're the food service ones. Oh, can I send you the picture? Sure. But I needed the sticker on it. Because maybe Joe's actually does make their own. It's a Joe's sticker. Is it a Joe's sticker? Yes. That's the point. It is. I'm positive. I get the Joe's tacos every time I'm at the airport. Okay. I mean, they're not the best thing ever. They don't need to be. But they're just eggs with bacon. Taco delis are really good. Transactional. Yeah. Taco delis are very good. Yeah.