Holding the line, location sharing & is optimization culture making us miserable?!

30:41But once again, we're sitting here at 202 without the kids that – At that age. At that age. The other thing is this. I do think some kids thrive on structure. And Tate has – she lives a 70 % structured life, which I like. Because I think that that because there's a lot that talks about how when you have structure, kids know what to expect. For example, her bedtime routine, she knows she's putting rock like she's very comfortable and safe in her bedtime routine. And when we don't do the bedtime routine, that is when it takes the longest amount of time for her to settle. Yes. So what so there's there's structure.

31:17It's Jay Shetty. He always says structure is the foundation of spontaneity. so if she has 70 % structure I'm good with the 30 % of just like she doesn't have to go to bed right now so with that being said would I be down for bedtime being yeah bedtime is not going to be a rule most likely let's I mean we'll see when we get to this age but I would say most likely bedtime is not a rule in our house but there's a loose framework around it a loose framework around it and I do like can you stay up late every night no but if you are going to stay up late I do think we'll give you the option. You want to read?

31:51You want to go jog? And they're like, why don't you go jog with them? Or play in the pool. Then we're never going to bed. This pool's coming over budget. We need to use the pool every day. We're going to use the pool every day, but I just think that if we're running or we're reading, that's a really good healthy option to pick to replace sleeping, which is also really good for you. If we give them the option of eating candy or swimming, they're going to be like, yeah. Like we do have to give them. Of course. But swimming, I mean, candy was a bad example. You guys know that I gave my dad StoryWorth last Christmas.

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34:25I don't know enough about punishment, and I feel like getting punishment right is one of the most critical components of parenting. And so this is an area that I want to get very smart on. But yes, like intuitively, it doesn't make sense to punish your kid with something that should be perceived as or something that's healthy. I think punishment is something that's been the most interesting about parenting to me. Right. Because you there's all these times where you think you say no, but then you learn no is just confusing to them. And so you have to model the behavior. And so I think that with this punishment being timeout, that's a bad example.

35:04but punishment meaning punishment being you lose your toy makes a lot more sense to me than punishment means you need to go running because running could be something that's really fun yeah so i agree with you on this like we're exploring pros and cons of punishment but i'm with you on i don't like punishment equating to reading or running because reading and running are things i want to be fun yeah i'd love to get a punishing expert on if that exists because we would never be like oh you're in trouble let's go swim yeah so why would we be like oh you're in trouble let's go it would be like oh you're in trouble you lose your toy yep maybe but yeah we just like everything with this learning i think we learn as we i think we i think harris and i are the kind that learn in the phase of parenting that we're in whereas with rocky we're lucky because we've done the phases ahead of him with tate and so i think that's a good a good parlay into a question that i want to keep revisiting okay okay and we talked about it before he was born and now to bring it back in what is hard been harder for you the transition from zero to one kid or the transition from one to two kids so i was gonna say one to two that was my answer yeah and i was like one to two is harder because you have no downtime and your brain is divided between a toddler like you're and then you go into newborn land but you're not fully in the newborn land and then you go back to the toddler land right so it's a constant loop however taking a step back and remembering what zero to one was actually like for me, I think because of the postpartum depression and anxiety and all the new happening and I didn't realize how hard birth would be in the recovery, then I have to say zero to one was harder for me.

36:45And the change in lifestyle. The change in lifestyle. Totally. So I always thought it was one to two, but it's zero to one. What's the answer for you? Yeah, I think zero to one was way harder than one to do. And I'm curious to see how that changes over time. I think what comes to mind for me, and I have no idea if this makes any sense, is your plate is a lot more full with two kids versus one kid, but you know how to eat the food much better. Does that make any sense? Yeah. That sounds ridiculous. You know how to eat the food and you've picked what was on your plate. Like, we knew what we were getting into with another baby.

37:25Yeah. We know that he needs to sleep, eat, and then have a wake window we're more busy but we know what we're doing a lot more a lot more i don't know if i like how that that's all coming out but yeah one to two your life sorry zero to one there's a complete rearrangement in your life one to two um you're just building off of that rearrangement yeah your life is already rearranged you're just adding another component Yeah, another. But I think there's a massive, massive, massive caveat. Okay. And two caveats that I need to bring up. The first that we've seen with our friends is so much of this is out of your control.

38:06And it comes down to, is your second baby a good eater and a good sleeper? Yeah. Because we've been very lucky with Rocky where he is a good eater and he is a good sleeper. And also, we do have help. Right. And that's really important. or an important kind of caveat to share. And I say assuming that the eating and the sleeping is just completely out of your control. If you have a good eater and you have a good sleeper or an easy eater and an easy sleeper, I think transition is much easier once to do than zero to one. And I do want to talk about this because I made a video yesterday and I got so many DMs about it, about him, like his stomach hurting when he eats.

38:53Okay. And I, I feel like I need to flush this out on the podcast. So what was happening is I'm primarily, I would say 80 % pumping and giving him a bottle that way. And, but all the milk he's been having right now has been breast milk. We did give him formula yesterday, but I'll talk about that. So I noticed some bottles he drinks fine. What? sorry Jules is on her phone I don't know why I checked my phone but someone just sent someone that I haven't talked to in like five years sent me a clip and said I think this is it's driving me crazy every time I see this on my free this podcast on my free page is this your voice?

39:35Oh wow It made me laugh Sorry But good call by them it is your voice Yeah it is It's me That would be like wild if I heard somebody's voice from like five years ago I was like I think I know this is them Okay Okay, so I was talking about how the breast milk is affecting him. Sometimes he'll drink a bottle and he's completely fine and he drinks it and then he goes to sleep. Sometimes he drinks a bottle and I feel like his stomach hurts. So then I was like, okay, is it something I'm eating? But I automatically don't eat dairy and I don't eat a ton of gluten. In fact, I would say I eat, if I eat gluten, it's at dinner.

40:08And then I should be able to measure that. Like gluten. Okay, so basically I don't eat gluten. I mean, I do sometimes, but I've measured it to know that it's not the bottle. So then everyone's telling me, well, it could be soy. And soy isn't a lot of things, so you've got to cut soy. I'm like, well, who has the time to cut soy? Like, how do I figure out if I get – sometimes soy can be baked into the salmon. Like, doesn't it be like such a daunting task? Okay, do you see what I'm saying here? I do see what you're saying. And I think that – It could be coffee, somebody says. Oh, it's definitely the nut milk.

40:44I'm like, oh my gosh, what do I do? Just not eat? So yesterday we were talking about this with the lady who has been helping us with Rocky. And she helped with a friend of ours' kids as well. And she said, and that other kid really struggled eating. And she was really on top of it and trying to help in any way possible. And they tried a whole variety of things. And so yesterday, when we asked her about this, her view on it was like the amount that Rocky is throwing up and his post-digestion kind of like uncomfort is what she sees with most babies. She called it normal. Yeah, he's not throwing up.

41:30He spits up. Spits up. Sorry. But I do agree. Like, Tate was never uncomfortable after a bottle. So this was very foreign to me. So I was like, oh, my gosh, his stomach hurts so bad. And his stomach does hurt for a second. And then he has to get out his little toots or he spits up a little. And it's just like a very normal baby digestion track, which, by the way, I learned adjusts around six weeks. So we're just at that point. And I think that you're just you're being like an amazing, caring mom. And so you're putting an incredible amount of thought and effort into into like what you're eating.

42:06And I just think on the other side, it's like what you spoke to a lot of this is is natural. And I think a really important thing to also remember about Bubber is it would take her like 45 minutes to drink a bottle. Right. She was the slowest drinker in the world. And so then on the back end of it, like her not having that discomfort and her not her not. What's it called? Spitting up. Spitting up. It also makes more sense because Rocky just he he hops it down the way I have down my Frank's iced coffees. And I have a friend who, I think when you're a mom, you have a couple people that you're like, I will really take that advice.

42:42They kind of parent the same way as me. They think the same way as me. And I have this friend. She's in Oklahoma City, and she texted me. She's like, all right, she's got three kids. And it's funny. She said, I think to a certain extent it's just baby's digestion tracks. I think you can track what you're eating. I think you can try formula. I think you can try all these different things, Alex. At the end of the day, I've had three kids that did the same thing with all three, and they all digested bottles differently. And I think that's what it comes down to. I think we've got a digestion track here.

43:11I just want him to be comfortable. So I try him on his stomach, and he gets comfortable sometimes. I try him, you know, standing up, and it's just we've got a classic baby. But you're doing a great job. Like, I watch just how much, like, thought and care you're giving to him, and it's amazing. But do you know what else? Okay, thank you. but I am thinking now about this friend that texted me. She's the one that told, I think about all the things she's ever texted me and I admire that she chooses her texts sparingly. She doesn't offer advice all the time but when she does, I'm thinking of all the pieces that she's given me.

43:46I've taken it every time. She's the epitome of a friend of when she talks, you listen. Yes, and I bet a lot of moms have this of there are certain moms that are ahead of me in the game. Her kids are all older than ours but I really admire the way she parents and I see the finished product to a certain extent. You know, her oldest is four. And I'm like, yeah, I want that advice. Thank you. It's also really funny because on the other end, you have had people that, there's people that you interact or we interact with who just like have a thought and a view on everything to do with parenting. And at that point, it's just like, it loses its power.

44:25Totally. And I don't think we have... i don't have any friends like that which is nice no but there's people that you just you people you run into and you're just like okay well that was like crazy and i think all parents deal with that really like that was crazy not crazy but you know i wasn't asking for advice i was just more so experience sharing take the question did you ask because i didn't right and then she but this this i love my mom friends so much because they're so good at stepping in whenever i need it and this girl she's just perfect at it i love my blue light glasses from zinni i genuinely feel like they help me sleep better and with two kids sleep is everything and parents you'll know what I mean I'll take any edge I can get even in 2026 replacing glasses feels like a whole production so most of us just live with it but here's the thing with Zenni Optical they fixed all of that Zenni is an online eyewear shop and it has prescription glasses sunglasses blue light lenses starting at under$30 you go to zenni.com you pick a frame you upload your prescription and they ship right to your door there's no appointment there's no store there's no upsell at the counter and at that price something kind of just shifts you stop asking do I really need new glasses and you start saying why wouldn't I just get them get the one for work get a fun pair get a pair that only matches one outfit with over 150 ,000 five-star reviews and a virtual try-on tool you can see exactly how a frame looks before you commit if your glasses are overdue for a refresh now is the time go to zinni.com slash podcast and use code podcast 15 for 15 % off your first order the styles sell out so don't sit on it that's z-e-n-n-i.com slash podcast promo code podcast 15.

46:04um okay let's see how you doing how you feeling today i feel good it's funny i have these hot flashes and it's hormonal but it's just they're so i get so hot that i start like sweating you look very nice thank you your hair looks phenomenal you do something different i just got it touched up oh what a great touch up it was do you know do you actually if i didn't tell you i was getting my hair touched up would you notice the way to do this is next time not tell you get your hair done don't tell me and the chance of noticing is zero a hundred percent because julia has access to your calendar and she's going to text me and she's going to say alex is getting her hair done make sure that you're waiting at home with flowers and say oh Oh my God, you look so beautiful.

46:50No, I, the, the way that, so I was thinking about this yesterday. Do you have any beauty appointments as a guy or any appointments in general besides a golf game where you're gone for four hours? Cause like girls, we get our hair done, especially if you're blonde or if you're bylaws or whatever you are, I'm gone for four hours of the day and I, you can't do like, you can't get up, you can't walk around. No, 30 minute haircut. I'm in a haircut pickle right now. You don't get facials. I'm in a haircut pickle. You don't get manicures. You just golf, I guess. Yeah, we rarely golf. Yeah, there's no equivalent of the hair.

47:30I'm due for a round. I'll tell you that. Of golf? Yeah. Yeah. Okay. All right, let's move to the summer house reunion. Well, we want to talk about how date night's officially back on the table, which was wild of you to put that on here. and then it's Thursday and we're not going on a date. Well,

47:54who's to say we're not going on a date? Well, we're not. We're going to swim lessons and then we're going to eat Mexican food with everyone from swim. So it's not very, that's not a date. Is that a date? Is a group date a date? Well, the kids are going to be there, so it's not a date. Yes, it's so, Jules. It's not a date. I won't talk to Harrison for more than one sentence. We'll be chasing. how many days are there in a week? seven so just because date night doesn't happen tonight doesn't mean it's not going to happen what night is it happening? well not Saturday why? because she told you last week Saturday it's not her preferred date night Jules thank you for listening Harrison's like right right right no I remember that what's my preferred date night?

48:37Thursday it's also my preferred date night he's just remembering now no no no it's my preferred date night too you forgot and tell this about it is like the best date night Oh, I love a Thursday. I have a surprise for you. So sit tight. Okay. Sit tight. I will. I'll sit tight. You can check me on it on our next recording. Monday. All right. So we kind of did the six weeks in. We did it for Rocky, basically. I do think one thing on Tate is her communication. She's had a leap, which is really cute. So the other day, what did she do with her plate? yeah so i was um i was making this chicken dish in uh in the dutch oven and i was standing there and i was like tasting it to see if it was done and she like saw me tasting chicken to see if it was done agreed like if it wasn't ew well it's a good point from a flavor profiler's perspective It was cooked.

49:37Okay. Sorry. Just seeing if it's still raw. It's this. So just for some context, I wish I remembered the name of this. But they send you these frozen. Is this a gift from Libby? Yes. Yes. It's a great. Is it what you said yesterday? I don't know the name. It's such a good gift. It's such a good gift. So basically she sent us like six or seven of these frozen meals. but what they are is it's like meat seasoned with like it's it's finished meals that are frozen and so all you do is slow cook them in a dutch oven for like three to five hours yeah they're amazing they're phenomenal and so i was just testing it to be like all right do i need to add anything um like yada yada yada got it just to get it right like i shredded it so basically it was a chicken dish burrito bowl i shredded it yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah bubber sees all this happening goes into her drawer gets her plate walks up to me he's like food food food food food and harrison at first was kind of just looking at it goes oh my gosh she wants food it was try it it was just like the communication was unbelievable but this is so but this is why and you guys in the comments were saying that Tate is a Virgo.

51:00So of course she's like this. Of course, if I wanted food, guess what I would do? Just walk over and eat it out of the thing. But she takes you her plate and she's like, food. That's the key to it. That was the key to it for me. I couldn't believe she got her plate. And I don't know what a Virgo means, but I do believe it means organized or what are Virgo traits? Maybe knows what she wants. Yeah, well, she does know what she wants. Everyone's just saying she's eldest daughter Virgo. Of course she's like this. this is the cutest thing we have an eldest daughter virgo on our hands Harrison I couldn't believe when she got that freaking plate eldest daughter virgo traits I don't know what they are but apparently like here's an example of our eldest daughter virgo she knows that the speaker plays music so she goes over to it she says bailar which means dance in Spanish she wants to bailar so we turn on a song she has one song that she loves right out of the gates so we play that for her but she only likes the beginning of the song so she'll turn off the speaker once the beginning of the song is gone.

51:54Then she'll turn it back on so we start the song over again. And it's that, it's Friday, that song. So she listens to it. Then we'll play another song. And she's like, no, I don't like that song. And she goes like this. She wants us to change the song. Because she sees us. That's how we change the song on the phone. So what we're going to do for her is Twinkle Twinkle Little Star is the only song she can tell us she wants because this is the symbol. Very different. Not this, this. When she points up, she wants Twinkle Twinkle Little Star. So I was saying to Harrison, let's give her songs. and let's give her dance moves to them so she can sign to us that she wants that song.

52:27I think this is one of those things that, love it in theory, the reality of execution, is going to be very, very tough to implement. No, the Kami Nando song. She knows to do the little pitter-patter steps. We actually have two signs. She does know that, the pitter-patter steps. So I do think that we can do this, but she's very, oh my gosh, eldest daughter Virgo. I'm going to have to really study what that means. That's way out of my, I'm not very, the people will tell us okay guys what is an eldest daughter Virgo please explain it to me um okay guys okay so in the comments you have to do this you tell me to say the words well no you you are gonna have to read them because he can't influence oh right right I'll read them so so Kate from Edmond Oklahoma sent me she actually sent me a voice note so I could hear how she pronounced them but she sent me a list of words to make Alex pronounced to see if she says I'm funny or not.

53:21Okay. After the whole crown, crayon situation. Okay. So pronunciation from an Oklahoma girl on certain words. Ready? Let's go. Sherbert. Sherbert. Sherbert. Oil. Oil. Oil. Honorary. Honorary. Finance. I'm surprised you didn't say finance. Finance. Finance. Finance. Yeah. Coupon. Coupon. Coupon. What? Coupon. Coupon. Coupon. Coupon. Coupon. Coupon. Syrup. Not a Q. Coupon. Coup. Syrup. Correct. Syrup. Not syrup for you? Syrup. Okay. Well, he's Canadian. So that's Bible. Syrup. Ornery. Honorary. No. Ornery. Like, oh, she's ornery today. Okay. This is the one that I had to ask her, and that's why both ornery and honorary.

54:21are on there because I couldn't tell which one she was saying. No, ornery. I don't know what that word is. Like, oh, you're being, why are you so ornery? No, no, ornery. Wait, now I don't know. Ornery. Ornery. It's someone that is bad-tempered, irritable. Harrison, if he did the fast. Irritable. Irritable. Oh, Alex, earlier in this episode. Use it in a sentence. Like ornery. Like you. What? Yeah, you don't know the word? No, I actually don't know it. And then, of course, we have lawyer. lawyer cement cement she said she says liar and cement she says lawyer she says how you say it i don't know how you say she says law your lawyer which is correct because it's the law and you guys are you guys know that okay so ornery was the one off this list and honorary and spent you say honorary correct what was the one oh finance no cube it was coupon sorry coupon You say coupon.

55:19Say the second to last one. Rural. Oh, there we go. The whole segment was worth it for that. What was it? Say that again. Rural. Rural. Rural. No, I can't say it after you say it. Rural. Out in those rural areas. We live in rural America, baby. Rural. Rural. Okay, love it. When I was pregnant with Tate, I found out pretty quickly that most prenatals are not created equal, but parallel past every test I threw at them, you guys. They are OBGYN founded, their third-party tested clean label project purity award winner, and I was sold. By my next pregnancy, I was chasing a toddler and could barely finish a hot cup of coffee, so my favorite thing became the daily packs.

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58:08But I always ask them when they comment, I'll be like, what topics do you want to hear more of? They're like, no, nothing different. Like we just want more of, they see it kind of like maybe a reality show is what I'm gathering. They just like want to hear more about your life and that's what those non-parents and maybe the grandparents are interested in. I don't know. I thought it was interesting. Do you think they listen to Summer House? Watch Summer House, these people? Probably. Good transition. I'm wondering because I walked in to get my hair done yesterday and Katie, who does my hair, had a chat GBT.

58:39He was narrating what was going on between Wes and Amanda and it was so funny because he had a British accent and so he was like, she loved him first. And so we were listening to it and I was thinking, everyone is in on this Summer House drama, which we watched the reunion live, which I haven't done. I haven't watched something live. Well, I guess I watch like the Grammys and things. So let's, let's do, here's what we're going to do. We're not going to do a full recap for you because by this point, everyone's heard it recapped. We're going to take two things and we're going to talk about them.

59:11Okay, let's do it. So I think the first one is location sharing. Oh, great, great one. Amanda was doing a lot of things that were fishy. She had she wasn't answering Sierra's calls. She was saying she says verbatim in there. Sierra's like, where was I all summer? I was there for you. And she says, so was West. And it was like. What? That was random. Sierra was there for you, like. And she was really there for you. The other thing is like you turned off your location and she was like, yeah, that's like. So everyone was like, because you had something to hide. so the the topic that i would like to discuss here is location sharing have we discussed location sharing on the pod before yes when we started doing our location sharing i actually think we talked about it before that too about how you weren't a proponent of location well i it's i think it's more so i never shared my location before when you have a kid with somebody i think you must share your location with them because sometimes if you're not answering i'm like okay he's almost home we're good also now that i'm in the location sharing in my location sharing era i wish i started it earlier yeah but it does bring a very very valid question to the table so i think my view on it here is location sharing is binary you're either all in and you location share and your location is here 24 7 or you do not grant the access i totally agree and so i think for this case with Amanda and Kyle, the minute that that relationship is over, you end the location sharing.

1:00:54But as long as there's a, as long as you're working through things, that location needs to stay on. That location should stand at all times. But it's less about Amanda and Kyle for me because they had separated so that they should stop it's not weird if she stopped sharing her location with him what is weird is she stopped sharing it with amanda well she should i mean sierra but she should have stopped it she should have removed him cold turkey but i agree with that so that one to me is not as fishy i agree her stopping sharing it with sierra is like shows that she was knew she was doing something yeah totally and she wasn't she was turning off her location like what harrison's saying is that she should have just stopped sharing if she was doing something that she didn't want sierra to she should just not share her location with sierra anymore but like she's turning it on and off when she was going to to west house what i was going to say is like i think location sharing it's like the new moral compass like if i'm if i have to turn my location off to do something i should know that that's wrong right in my heart of heart there should maybe be a little notification that apple sends you like you just nailed you just nailed it jules and that's i think i was trying to get there i'm sorry can you repeat that because i love it well i just didn't realize she was I thought she was just unsharing it with those two because I thought she said my manager and them could still see where I was no like she was turning her location on and off got it there's unsharing versus like turning your location on and off to hide from certain people when you unshare people get a notification correct and when you share when you turn it on and off do they get a notification I don't think so I don't think so either that must be the caveat got so when you unsh if I unshared my location with you would say Alex stop unsharing her location with you stop sharing her location with you if I turned my uh location off you would not get a notification and every time I'm saying every time you turn that location off it's you should know in your heart of hearts you're doing something wrong yeah so Sierra was checking it at the right time because she was seeing her location was off because they caught it but if your location was off right now and I wasn't I wouldn't catch it like I wouldn't know I see what you're saying now.

1:03:01Okay, I wasn't clear on this. Okay. But do you want to address what Jules said? Because I think it's gold. About location sharing being the ultimate moral compass. Totally. I completely agree. And clearly this drives that point home. A hundred percent. I think the other thing that she was doing is she'd stopped answering serious calls. Because she knew she was doing something wrong. Like her actions were showing she knew. I want to say this. I felt most sorry for Kyle. I re-watched some stuff this morning. Like some clips. And like that man. I felt really sorry for him. I don't even know if we're, are we allowed to feel sorry for Kyle?

1:03:34I was asking one of my friends yesterday and she was like, I'm upset that all of this drama is happening because if it wasn't, we would all be sitting at the reunion talking about how bad Kyle is. And Andy said that. Oh, really? He said, Kyle, we thought for sure you were going to be in the hot seat tonight. You're not. And he's like, he said, it's a double-edged sword. It's great that I'm not, but I'm also sad that this is why I'm not. Here's a really unique dynamic about the Kyle situation is like, he was very vocal that he was bottoming out. Like he was very vocal that his world was falling apart.

1:04:12And so not to excuse his actions, but like he was having a very, very hard time and it was being documented on camera and he didn't get any credit from the friend group over it. And I think the reason why he didn't get any friend group over credit from the friend group over it was because like his actions in the past had hadn't been great. To my understanding. I've done some past episode watching it. Get up to speed. And. But Sierra before because Bravo did a great job editing this and I don't know if all watch what happens or reunions are like this. but they did them getting out of the car. They did them in the dressing room beforehand.

1:05:00And Sierra went up to him and she started crying and she was like, I didn't realize that you were saying that you were having such a hard time. I didn't realize how much you were actually having such a hard time. And she gave him a really big hug. Yeah. So they, they are acknowledging it now, but I do agree his, his words had lost the weight because of his actions. Because of his previous actions. But similar to that, you know, West also, his words don't carry much weight with this, group. His actions do, but his words don't. Parents, you know, anything that makes life easier on us and the baby is a win.

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1:06:41Right now, new customers can get 15 % off site-wide at magneticme.com. Don't wait. Get 15 % off at magneticme.com. So I saw that he is not going to be back this season because Sierra said it's either him or me. And the production went with her. As they should. If they didn't, can you imagine? As they should for a multitude of reasons. Both because she's the better person. Both in terms of her character, but also... Her rising star? She's much more added to the show. A show of just her versus a show of just him. A show with just hers better. Well, and guess what? I think viewers would have boycotted the show if they went with him.

1:07:28Now, let me also say this. That's seeing the viewers watch. Like, no, I think viewers watch for entertainment, not for ethical standards. But I think the internet's petty enough that they would have taken the season off. I actually agree. Like, I think that we would have been like, well, watch this. but we're not going to watch it on the other end. Like I'm just thinking if, if Bravo launched like a Sandoval Rachel show, no, no, no. If they launched Taylor Frankie Paul season of the bachelorette, everyone would watch it. Yeah. But part of the pettiness for this would be, we're not going to watch that because of West.

1:08:08It's out of spite for West. It's pro Sierra. Okay. That means you, you pro. Yes. We're Taylor. It's like, well, that'll be juicy. Let me watch it. There's nobody else to make a stand for. That you're taking a shot at. Right. Now, this is where that was really smart of Sierra. I do believe, from what I've gathered, West likes fame. That's what I learned yesterday. And I think Kyle and Lindsey posted about it. That, like, they think he just clout chased a little too long and then got himself into this situation. Yeah, he flew too close to the sun. He saw that Amanda was going to be the shining star of this season because Kyle was so bad.

1:08:46and he was like I'm gonna latch on correct latched on for a little too long and then statements had to be made and all this stuff and it hurt him when he never meant to do that that's why he's sitting there looking like a deer in headlights yeah because he's like wait my plan backfired yeah I was just gonna go with her we were gonna make it a thing we were gonna be the couple of the season and now America's mad at me like I didn't crap like because he's a people pleaser yeah at the end of the day so her saying don't put him on the show she knows that's the worst thing she can do for him because like all this guy wants is clout all he and so they identified what his what his core motivating factor was yep because he identified her core mode he he did it to her and then she just said oh well here watch this what's so interesting is like did he even know he was doing it or was that just like his natural instincts of wanting like looking at it as a business opportunity well it's all it's like my friend it's like our friends tony and caroline said this week tony said one rule in our house is we're not allowed to and i can't remember the way she worded it but you're not allowed to make a plan and tell people you'll be there on friday night for dinner and then somebody present you with a better plan and you take that um you're not allowed to plan that she had a word for it like do you know what i'm saying well that's one of the things I hated most about New York and LA is I found that whenever you're at a party, everyone's just looking around and like checking their phone to see like, is there a better party going on?

1:10:17Yeah, and we're not allowed to be present, and I love this about them. Be present with the people that you're with and do it that way. West is a, from what I gather about him, he's looking at his phone, trying to find the next party with the coolest people there. With the best access. And I think it's what he did with Amanda was like, he picked her. And then he's like, wait, this wasn't a popular decision shit can i get out no you can't and i think one thing that we trick ourselves into when we watch reality tv is like these are just like you know great like great natural stories that are developing irl and i think what really loses the user the the the listener or the viewer sorry is when things seem overly calculated and so it's like they don't we don't want to make people famous who want to be famous we want to make we want to lift people up who just like are our feel-good stories and it felt like he was sorry we don't want to make people famous that are snakes yeah also i think but let me ask you this okay please we see the trailer and we see amanda get up and leave yeah and this is going to be in part two of the summer house reunion and we don't know if west gets up and chases after her definitely gets up and chases her you're going to say he gets up and chases after her?

1:11:34For sure, because Lindsay fucking hammered him into doing it. He wasn't going to do it, but Lindsay hammered him into doing it. I don't know if he ends up and gets up and walks after her. If he doesn't, do you think that's very bad for him? I think he's already so low that he's in a can't win situation. There's nothing he's going to do on that reunion that is going to help him. I think he might sit there and start crying and say something to all of them about this is really hard on us. Good take. I think he might do something like that that makes him look good, like a play for him, as opposed to get up and go chase after her.

1:12:08Good take. One hilarious learning about Lindsay is she has been yelling at people for 10 straight seasons. She's a savage. She is just boom. I don't know that about her. This is kind of my first time watching her. She follows me, which is cute because we're both moms. So now I'm all in on her. I love it. She's a badass. she's a badass I'm just saying her apartment is awesome oh oh Jules isn't watched in the city we watch in the city now oh we watched it did you finish off campus no not yet do you want to know why Jules yeah I haven't had any solo watching TV time so we watched your friends and neighbors we're caught up on that and we watched Margo's Got Money Problems and we're caught up on that both phenomenal shows but my off campus is my show for me I wouldn't see Harrison liking off campus I think we just love like I don't know if your friends and neighbors is good.

1:13:02I just think the casting and the actors and actresses are so good that it's why we watch it. And I couldn't predict how this thing ends for the life of me. I mean, I don't know where we're going with him, but whatever. I love it. I'm along for the ride. I fully am on my laptop during every minute of that show and I just check in every so often. I love both of them. They're great. It's great TV. Harrison and I have never been in this phase of life where like you get one kid down to bed and the other kid sleeping on your chest and like then you watch TV. It's very fun, but you really need shows.

1:13:32maybe the audience will tell us some more um one thing i want to do when we have time to watch this is a full movie is um the guy's name is rocky or the the thing is rocky the anim or the rock is rocky maybe what's it called project yes project hail mary that's i want to watch that um harrison wants to watch crash but i thought it was too heavy for me i have a question i have a question fauna san miguel just texted am i allowed to make my request for a reservation tonight yes okay thank you okay so here's why he's allowed to do this fauna san miguel's a mexican restaurant we've been really wanting to go to and we want to go with the people from swim and i heard harrison on the phone yesterday trying to make the reservation and the girl said the manager is going to text you tomorrow about the reservation and you need to reply with your request when they text you.

1:14:25And it's the time when they send out the text, you know, for everyone to confirm their reservations. And so if he doesn't do it right now, then we might not get our Thursday night reservation, which is not going to be a date. Okay, I'm going to move us on, you guys, to the last thing, which is the things we DMed. Okay, so talk to me. Here's my question for the two of you. Okay, what do you think is biggest in size between Coke, Diet Coke, and Coke Zero? I think it goes Diet Coke, Coke, Coke Zero. Jules? I think it goes Coke, Diet Coke, Coke Zero. Okay. So it is, Coke is number one. Okay. And it's north of 2X the size of Diet Coke and Coke Zero.

1:15:08Oh, that's shocking. Okay. Here's what has greatly surprised me. Diet Coke and Coke Zero are around the same. Diet Coke's a little bigger. Diet Coke sales flat to declining. Coke Zero sales increasing north of 10 % a year. So in the next, call it two years, Coke Zero will be more consumed than Diet Coke, assuming it stays on its current trajectory. And assuming it stays on its current trajectory, Coke Zero will be bigger than Coke in the next 10 years. But that is because - I'm stunned. And I've never, so here's, I just got to come to a couple of things. I don't think I've ever seen someone drink a Coke Zero.

1:15:53I think that 90%, yep, we got a hand. What are this, sorry, where is this from? Like, is it America or is it globally? I was looking at U.S. market share. Oh. Okay. Yeah, we're not talking globally. Because in Europe, they drink Coke Zero. I was looking U.S. market share, pulled the data from Claude, and there was a Wall Street Journal article talking about the beak between Diet Coke drinkers and Coke Zero drinkers, which I didn't know was a thing. The reason, I did not know this until yesterday and I drink Diet, I love Diet Coke. Yeah. I did not know what Coke Zero was, so I started asking you guys when you explained to me.

1:16:35Diet Coke is for Diet Coke drinkers who like the taste of it. Coke Zero was made for the Coke lovers who wanted a zero calorie option. I was thinking one Diet Coke targeted more female, Coke Zero targeted more male. I had no idea that Coke Zero was just, because I don't like the taste of Coke. I am not reaching for a Coke. I'm reaching for a Diet Coke every single time. I think it's a crisp, tasty, better option. Growing up, this is what I was kind of getting to. I think that if I looked at 100 sodas consumed, 95 of them would have been Diet Cokes. 100%. like I never knew of any Coke drinkers really until I moved to Texas and we got a lot of Coke drinkers.

1:17:19They like real Coke. Yeah. Like, but why would you reach for a Coke over a Coke zero knowing what we know now? Blind taste test. Are you knowing the difference between a Coke and a Coke zero? They both taste gross to me. So no, I don't like the way they taste either. To me, drinking a real Coke is like eating an entire Susie cake. It's that heavy and sugary to me. like hurts my teeth drinking a diet coke is like a fruit platter uh yeah i don't know why you would go regular coke versus coke zero other than like i don't do people like real sugar over fake sugar here's what i think that that one people just think it tastes better and i think there's probably a natural connotation around people thinking all right this is like a a product made of four real ingredients versus Coke Zero, which just has a bunch of crap in it to make it taste like the original thing.

1:18:11Don't they both have a bunch of crap in it? Don't they all? Yes, they all have a bunch of crap in there. The reality is it shouldn't, and that's where there's been this slew of... Poppy and Ollipops. Poppy and Ollipops that are growing north of 100 % a year. Okay, H, well, I now I'm craving a Diet Coke of course was my prediction spot on is this like a normal episode wait hold on this was yes I think this was very much like a normal episode but there was one thing I wanted to ask you okay because you just talked about Ollipop do you want lips I want them after how many more people like what's the market share of the better for you sodas versus so the better for you sodas are growing at much higher rates but their sales are are significantly less.

1:19:01Okay. So we just need like 10 years and they'll catch up. Well, yeah. So I think Coke, like core Coke, I think it's like 19 billion. Jeez. And, uh, Ollie pop and poppy are more in that, like 500 million sales range. Okay. Okay. Okay. Cool. Good to know. Um, yeah, I thought this episode was fabulous and it was just sort of, we're trying to get back to the swing of things. You're doing phenomenal. So are you. We love you guys. Thank you for listening. Thank you. Thanks for listening to another episode of Two Parents and a Podcast powered by Just Media House. If you enjoyed the show, don't forget to like, subscribe, comment, rate, and review.

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