Invisible postpartum, Princess Diana's Beanie Baby & the ChatGPT parenting tip shocking the internet

0:00okay jules harrison's julie's julie's wow that's kind of cool i'm into that okay Okay. Monday Funday. All right. Welcome back to another episode of Two Parents in a Podcast. Okay. I have an exercise for us to do off the top. Okay. P needs to hear my voice really quick to see if my volume is correct. Okay. P looks like a DJ. I saw some feedback that Alex isn't speaking into the mic. That was a joke. Oh, I was going to say I've never gotten that feedback before in my life. No, when that whole mic gate happened, I was proven to be very wrong. Well, we're working on it. Let the people know. Guys, we're working on it.

0:45We've changed the way that we're, this is all over my head, but changed the way we're compressing Harrison's voice so that your lows are higher and your highs are lower and blah, blah, blah. But we're working on it actively. A bunch of stuff P's actively working on, I guess, that will hopefully help the sound within your ears. It seems to mainly be a problem when people are listening in the car. Well, then talk to your car provider. No. Just kidding. Oh, you saw it on your tooth. Oh, no. This tooth right here. On the left. Everyone has to tell me when that happens. I would. I can't see you. Yeah, there's nobody who can see me with you.

1:21Can you smile? Do you see it? I got it. It was lip gloss, I assume. No. Yeah, okay. It looks like something from the piece of bread this morning. Thank you for identifying it. It sure was. I made your breakfast, so I know what you ate. It couldn't have been the eggs. And I eat the same thing every day. Eggs, two eggs scrambled, a piece of raisin toast from the Ezekiel bread, and peanut butter. If we don't have sourdough. Yeah, which we don't. Well, yeah. One sourdough bread that one of our neighbors makes, it says butter in it, so I can't eat that. But anyways, all right, here's the exercise. Ready?

1:56Okay. Okay. So now that it's August, July, one of my friends, Tony, told me this. So months as days of the week. So July is the only month that is a Saturday. Does that make sense? Said differently, this might land. January is a Monday. Yes, but July is not a Saturday. What is July? Like July is Wednesday. It's the middle of the week. No, but everyone is like off in Europe. Like it is the vibe of a Friday. Or, sorry, a Saturday. I don't agree that it's the only Saturday. I think July is a Saturday. I think June is also a Saturday. Just from the mindset of like... September is also a Monday. The energy is different.

2:41September is a Monday. We go back to school. It's such a Monday. The energy is different over the summer. I think everyone's brains work differently, though. Like, my brain works linearly, where I'm like, July is Wednesday because it's the middle of the year. You're going off a vibe. I'm going off vibes. But if you ask me, I'm saying it's Wednesday. What's your Friday? You got vacation. You got summer hours. Or I guess October. October. November's a Thursday. And that's not just because of Thanksgiving. And I think that December, December's the toughest one for me to nail down. Because it's a bit Friday vibes.

3:13But it's also a bit Sunday vibes. Yeah. It's both. So that one's tough to me. And February is very Tuesday, Wednesday. I agree with that. Friday is definitely Saturday. Sorry, December's definitely Saturday. You don't think December has some Sunday vibes of like January's coming? Well, here's where I'm such a weirdo. I love Monday. So, like, I love January. So that both nails to me. I love January because it's a new week to go and get things done. I know that just like sends like such a cheese ball thing to say, but like I. But that's the power of perspective. Like I have a pop on my step every Monday morning.

3:56Yeah. Go crush the week. Boom. You sure do. And today, it's funny, we're talking to you now on a Monday morning. I feel great right now. Give us your mentality. Let me tell you what. Here's my mentality. I love being in Austin, and I love that I'm not traveling, have no work travel, have no family travel. I love that we are here. I feel like I'm just going to have a super productive week. I looked at my schedule today, and I was like, well, I can really get things done. because when we're traveling, it's just so disruptive. I agree. Didn't drink this weekend? No, we just did lots of... Low-key, super relaxed.

4:36I don't even know if we... My mom is here, so we just kind of did... Yes, Kathy's here. Family-oriented things. Okay, I want to talk about some things your mom's doing that I think is a really good grandparent tip. But what I wanted to talk about before that was... Oh, last night. So it's so funny because now Tate has the fever that Rocky had. i feel like like a kid was up every hour and a half and then it was really cute because by 6 a.m all four of us were in the same bed and i had rocky on me and harrison and tate were over there snuggling and it was really cute but like it was so funny because it was just like you just didn't want anyone to make any noise because the consequence of one person making noise was so great on like I like didn't want Tate to wake noise because it could wake up you and Rocky and I didn't want Rocky to make noise because it could wake up you and Tate and whoever who lost the game Rocky because he started crying and every time Rocky cries and he's sleeping on me I then decide like this is the moment I should go pee like because I have to hold my pee like all night until he cries so I get up to go pee then he starts crying and I'm like he's gonna wake Tate up so then I start breastfeeding him and then I get to the toilet and Harrison had left the seat up and I didn't have a hand so I just had to sit there so in my defense can I explain why I left the seat up because I'm not I was like this and I was like this is a moment and I don't like talk this is I don't like talking about this type of thing but we're going to so at whatever 4 a.m.

6:08when Tate woke up and I knew that at that point she was going to need to come into the bed my whole goal because Rocky at that point was sleeping in the snoo in our room I knew that I had to go to the bathroom before I went and got her. So I like tried to make it as fast as possible because I couldn't get her and then go to the bathroom. That would have been too disruptive. You know, one thing that I don't hear about enough is parents timing their bathroom with their kids. Like I think about like if I have to pee, like I have to sometimes just hold it and make myself go back to sleep. And I don't like when she makes I don't like when she's upset in her crib.

6:46Well, we don't mind. Let's clarify. if she's just having a dance party in there at 4 a.m., she has to go back to bed. But we knew she was sick. So we were like, and she was. She was upset. Yeah, she, yeah, yeah. No, totally, totally. So that was our night. So we slept in till 9. I didn't. I had to work at the house at 7.45. We have this sweet man who's listening to gospel music. No, we're taking on a new project. Then I look out the window, and he has a shirt on that says, Jesus loves you. um he's out there scrubbing the tile what's he doing the pool they did they put in the the pool base jules feel free to peek your head in there i do every morning do you yeah no i don't put my head in but i look i look at the progress let's pull up the security footage to see jules in there this morning the security footage would find me talking to kathy yep she told me yeah She told me, she said, you're walking the dogs.

7:45Yeah. So, Kathy's in town. And what Kathy did that I thought was such a good idea, which actually both grandparents Both grandparents have been doing this. But they bring, they don't bring a new gift. They bring something that was ours to the kids. And present it as a gift. Yes. So, for example, this time, three beanie babies. The dinosaur, the teddy bear, and the... Dog. Dog. and they're really like they're playing with the beanie babies but she facetimed before she came she was packing the beanie babies and she was like these are for tate when i get there and then whenever she got here tate knew that she got the beanie babies and she gave one to rocky and yeah she does she gives one to rocky last time when your parents last visit they brought clothes yep yep exactly for her so it's cool yeah oh sorry no i was just gonna ask if tate had the princess diana beanie baby we have it i have it too you know that there was like the rumor going around like a long time ago that you could sell it for like ten thousand dollars should we try you can't oh have you checked how much it's worth i just looked and there's some on there for ten thousand dollars and there's some for like twenty five dollars you know princess diana and i have the same birthday yeah that's why i was asking and like whenever i ask somebody and i always ask them if you could have dinner with somebody dead and alive who would it be and why and please don't say your grandma like because we need to know who they are give us context of yourself it's my it's the question I love to ask people when I first meet them and my answer has always been Princess Diana well recently our new neighbor asked me what are you gonna ask her because I'm gonna ask her if the car ride was planned she's like she's not gonna know you gotta ask the queen so now I'm thinking I gotta change I gotta rethink everything I gotta change my answer that I have had for 10 years to that question to the queen of england you know something was an unbelievable product drop when it gets brought up 15 20 plus years later and it's still like you still get that feeling like when they dropped that princess diana beanie baby i remember like the rush to go find it it still holds a special place in my heart but can we do you have a photo of it it's a purple bear yes with Like a white little flower on its chest.

10:00Yeah. And in terms of what you specifically said on the dinner strike, you love that question, and I think it's a pretty funny update to – because I hear you lead with that question. You almost do that question before you ask someone what their name is. No, I always ask them what their name is. Hi, I'm Alex. Who do you have dinner with, anyone dead or alive? Well, I asked the guy beside me at the bar in D.C., It was an interesting answer. Yeah. Yeah. Good old Michael Jackson. Oh. Yeah. Loves him. Okay. I said, all right, good. Last week, we talked about decision fatigue and how it only gets heightened when you become a parent.

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11:47For a limited time, get 40 % off your first order. Plus, get a free item in every box for life. Go to hungryroot.com slash two parents and use code two parents. That's hungryroot.com slash two parents code two parents to get 40 % off your first box and a free item of your choice for life. And then what else was I going to say? You know, guys, on that note, I'll explain to you. My postpartum journey has been up, down, and side to side. And today I feel like my memory is so gone. and we were in Alice and Olivia with Kathy and I was like holding Rocky and the sales associate was like how old is he I said oh he's three months old she was like oh my gosh you're doing so good for three months like being out and about and I just like kind of looked at her and smiled and I was like oh you know every day is different and I it was so funny because I've been having a really hard week last week like everything just felt hard and I was like I was like I'm doing everything at a C.

12:47I'm not doing anything in an A. Everything's a C. Like I feel so stretched thin. And I was just having all these blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, these postpartum thoughts. And my memory was bad and I had low energy and I need to get my blood work done. And I just like feel it all. You know, I think some weeks are harder than other weeks. And it was so funny that she said that because she would have never known I was three months postpartum had I not have been holding Rocky. And I think all the time I go around to these stores or I go get a coffee. and if you don't have the baby with you, like postpartum is invisible.

13:17Like unless, honestly, unless like you're leaking milk, like there's really no other way someone's going to know you just had a baby or how soon you just had a baby unless you're physically holding him. And then she's like, oh my gosh, good for you for even being out and about. And it's like, I'm out and about a lot and there's no reason that you would know why I forgot my order mid-order or why, you know, I'm smiling, but I'm also having a hot flash and kind of want to cry inside. But, like, people don't know these things about a postpartum mom if they don't have the baby with them. I was thinking postpartum is, like, halfway invisible.

13:51Yeah, I saw that you posted on Substack, and I don't know if you used the word invisible postpartum. I did because I was like, that's the term. Yeah, I'd never heard that term, and it's a pretty powerful term. I'm sure people say it. I have never heard it either, but I'm sure people say it. Yeah. No. And I think you nailed it square in the head where, like, you never know. You know, I think from my perspective on watching it, like, with our first kid, your postpartum experience, like, it felt like it, you know, you had postpartum depression. and like using your words you said it was easy to name and easy to identify yeah and versus baby our second kid where the way postpartum affects you feels like it's happening in a variety of different ways but not as easily labelable and then you say and then you calling it invisible post and like all those different ways you just referenced and then when you put that title on it it's like oh wow that that feels like it brings it together yeah it does because it's like i what i was saying the week before was i just feel postpartum me like i was just putting a y on it remember yeah i was like i can't describe it and my my girlfriends get it like they text uh and they you know it's funny last week um olivia put in our book club group text like what's your iceberg which is basically i love it you can say anything you want so anybody can report anything they wanted and what's your iceberg yeah i think i must be saying like iceberg lettuce can go on anything no no i think like things may look like they're going on top but underneath there's a whole bunch of other stuff she's gonna die she's gonna be like you idiot okay i i i didn't get it Up until this literal moment, 90 % of it's invisible.

15:51Yeah. 90 % of icebergs are underwater. And that's why the Titanic hit it. Okay, got it. Which is our new conspiracy theory that maybe it didn't. Oh, well, then I did submit a good one. I was like, I have been just like, so, okay. So when we were talking, I was talking with two moms at swim. And I was saying, man, the first three months with Tate were really hard on me. Three, four months. Like that postpartum journey was front loaded. and one mom said you know it's really funny around three four months it hit me with my first and I was like oh interesting and she was like I don't know what it was like we maybe we came up from the fog and then everything felt heavy like I don't know I was like oh interesting funny enough I'm feeling that a bit more with Rocky now where it's like the ship steadied and I'm like whoa I like don't feel so good does that make sense so for example some I guess it can hit you at a different times but like what do you mean you don't feel so good I think that'd be important I feel like if I if I took every if I took work it's funny I feel like I'm being a good mom I totally I feel like my energy and being a mom is like where I want to put my time and like I'm enjoying that but I feel like in terms of my health like I need to get my blood work done like I need to figure out if I have low iron etc etc health I feel like sometimes in terms and you're probably going to say I'm being a good partner, but I feel like I could be a better partner.

17:15And then I feel like with work, I'm like, I'm getting a C in all of those. And I, I don't like to get C's. Yeah. I, I think you're being very hard on yourself, putting a lot of pressure on myself. I think you're putting a lot of pressure on yourself. Oh yeah. So that's what I mean. Like I'm not doing so good as I just like, I feel like my report card is not that high. Well, my report card for you is an A. Thank you. But I also know then of course i know like what would you tell your friend you would tell your friend to go easy on themselves and so it's just oh i heard of something new to try kind of in the uh vein of like journaling okay if you like have negative thoughts instead of writing them about down about yourself like address a letter to your friend so like you could do your girls your pregnant girls group chat like address a letter to Courtney with all the bad things you think about yourself and like you're you're just you're not going to do it because you would never sit down to one of your friends and say xyz things that they're doing is bad does it make sense so wait am I saying dear Courtney I think you're bad at work or I think I'm bad at work you're addressing it to her all the bad things you think about yourself you're addressing them as if you're thinking them about her oh i would never right yeah i would never say that about anybody yeah i don't know i thought i just read that in a book the other day and i thought it was like the most interesting thing um journaling type of thing i've heard in a bit well i i think on that note jules on we should we should go to and we skipped it last week but i think it's how to get out of a spiral this is on this is on the things we learned and it's talking about the quickest way to get out of a negative thought spiral.

18:59And you might think it was, it was so interesting because you might think it would be to journal it or to make an action about it, but no, it's like to do it the way that what the article says is take action, like a five minute walk. So when I had postpartum depression, this is what we would do. Harrison would just say, can we walk to the stop sign? When we get there, we could decide if we want to keep going or not. Um, but I was thinking if you don't have somebody to go on a walk with, I had written down journal a page and what I, cause sometimes I think journaling a page feels overwhelming. So what I tell some of my friends, if they're like, I want to start journaling, literally get, if you just, getting out the journal is the hardest part.

19:37And then if you write on it, just like four words, like feel sad, feel angry, overwhelmed. A lot of times you'll want to keep writing, but if you just do those four, you'll feel better. So it's action. What if you get a smaller book? So that way the pages are smaller and less intimidating. I have that. That wasn't a joking suggestion. no like i have like a a little i think it's a four by six or five by seven journal so to do a page front and back is like because your journals are massive and it's like but my journals aren't no expert journalist no my journals are um i'm never gonna think of the name of them i'm obsessed with them and they're the only journals i'll ever buy they look old school there's a composite it yep baby I think so composite spiral oh I don't know I don't know but anyways they're not they're not that they're not standard notebook size but they're bigger than a four by six five by seven yes I found this this it came out of a study do you want to call the study call the study it should be in the notes the quickest way out of a negative thought spiral there should be a little it's a meta-analysis of 28 randomized controlled trials on behavioral action in psychological medicine.

20:49Yeah, what really jumped out to me about this is I feel like whenever I'm going down a negative path, I default to trying to problem-solve my way out of it. And as I reflect on that, it definitely isn't the most effective thing. i'm i'm kind of actually kind of i'm i'm almost changing my mind in the middle of what comes out of my mouth okay we would love to hear that live so explain explain what's happening so when i read this i was like when i read this i was like okay um this makes a lot of sense because often when I am having a lot of negative thoughts. I can't talk more. You can talk live.

21:44Well. But you don't have to. I'll use when I wake up at 3 or 4 a.m. in the middle of the night as an example. Something everybody I would imagine can relate to. So something, when I wake up at 3 or 4 in the morning, typically um it's one thing that becomes top of mind okay and what has me go back what puts me back to sleep is actually coming up with the one thing or two things i'm going to do about that okay okay yep so for example the other night i think it may have been friday i woke up at 3 a.m. very concerned about our fence. Yeah. Okay. And how we were going to do our fence. Because they were pouring some concrete.

22:32Yep. And so I just said to myself, okay, I'm going to text him this message in the morning, reflecting my concerns about the text, about the fence. And then that put me back to bed. Right. so versus like had i done what the study suggests which is like go and distract myself another way three and that that wouldn't have worked wouldn't put me back to bed so i'm i'm i'm flip-flopping here because when i read it i was like this makes a lot of sense but then when i applied it to myself in reality i realized like hey often the best thing for me for me personally to do is come up with a small solution that lets me get over it and then if it wasn't 3M I could focus on other things so yeah I think that the key here though is rumination like if you're ruminating on something over and over and over and over and over again and it starts to kind of get you a little paralyzed that's when it's like you've got to get out of your own head yeah and you got to go walk to the stop sign and back and you can't problem when you can't come up with this with a small interim gap and i know defense example is just like extremely low but maybe someone's being mean to you and there's there's actually nothing you can do about it like you can't send them a text you can't xyz and you're just ruminating on it or you can't believe so and so said something to you and you're just on it on it on it just walk the stop sign and back oh my gosh what was i gonna this is like actually annoying me what was I gonna say we'll never know if there's one thing I've learned going through two different pregnancies and two different postpartum journeys which I just talked a lot about on this episode it's that your body genuinely needs completely different things at every stage what support to you while trying to conceive is not the same thing that support that supports you in your first trimester and it's definitely not what I need now in my so-called fourth trimester which I'm like slightly out of But nothing else I've actually tried adjusts with you the way that Parallel does.

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25:50That's P-E-R-E-L-E-L-Health.com slash 2PARENTS. Was it on this topic? Okay, maybe we can get there. Okay. What were you? You said rumination. Rumination. I flip-flopped on this. You talked about people being mean to you. You talked about walking to the stop sign. There was a noise that went on in the background. Oh, yep. Yes. Yay. I love when we catch it. Because usually I just let it go. Okay, so my favorite thing, and I always say this to you about the middle of the night thoughts, is treat them like a dark alley. right and a dark alley in the middle of the night what would you not do you you wouldn't go alone and you wouldn't go in the middle of the night so that's a three of your thoughts you say these are dark alley thoughts i'm glad that really works for you that doesn't work for me works for me great i need to come up with like a little solution to it and what i find is the things that are that like that become top of mind at 3 30 in the morning they're not the biggest things on my mind there's something that i feel like i let slip through the cracks because i've been focused on these bigger pictures so a la the fence right and funny enough then the solution i gave myself a 3am i knew that wasn't the right solution the solution is i needed to get on wake up in the morning and spend a bunch of time on chat gbt designing what the fence was gonna look like okay and on that note i see a topic in here about your chat gbt breakthrough of images i figured out like the best way the best way to and this could have been how everyone uses chat gpt for imaging but the best way to create specific images on chat gpt how do you so if you want to make a mock-up of something what do you do jules i would write a prompt and prompt it to mock up something and i would probably give some reference images okay and then it gives you the image and then i I say, this is terrible again.

27:47Okay. That is what I always did. Yeah. What I started doing this weekend, which made it so much more efficient, is you go back to the original prompt and there's an edit button. And you edit your original prompt based off of the image that it gave you. So here's an example with the fence. so in the initial fence in the initial prompt i said with the three pillars make sure they're evenly spaced okay and it put all three pillars just like really close together i went back and you i was like terrible so off so then i go back to the original prompt and i say make each pillar 17 and a half feet from each other i love it yeah and so i do all my editing in one prompt you don't have to like copy and paste and send it again no oh that's the key the key is you stay in the first prompt because it's kind of interesting it tells you what it's going to give you to go back yeah so you look at it and you say all right what where did it go wrong in the second image and how did my what was missing or misleading in my first prompt that did it because it i found it couldn't reply to feedback i agree yeah i agree with that it just doesn't pick up on it but if you know exactly what's wrong with it and it did it 90 right the first time like and you saw how specific those face images were those were those were great and how i could like was raising and lowering the pillars yeah that's because i kept going back to the original prompt oh okay i do think we need to stop we you always say you need to know your subject and if you yell at the wrong part like if you're a coach and you yell at the athlete that doesn't rise to the occasion by being yelled at that's chat gbt you guys need to stop saying your images suck i the amount of time i've said terrible this is terrible it doesn't know what to do it just crumbles it crumbles she we re-coached it yeah yeah be a better coach i think that's the lesson here yeah now on ai all right this is a parenting combo that's happening online right now the so sam altman who and who is he is he twitter no no he's chat okay just suggested a cool case a cool use case of chat gbt all right here's what sam tweeted cool use case of chat gbt work i heard last night connect your family calendars and explain your kids interests every morning for the drive to school have it make a podcast that talks about one kid's soccer game that afternoon one kid's upcoming birthday and some news etc so he's getting roasted for this yeah he should yeah he's getting roasted for this and it's just like it's a great example of like just missing the mark as as a ceo but like what where where i do want to like come and try and find the the middle balance here is like is there are amazing use cases of ai that i think can help you know our day-to-day operating of the family but what we don't want to do is lose human connection so like if for example um and this was referenced in some comment i saw like you got a text every morning that had everyone's schedule on it for the day jules and i do that yeah but imagine if it was just like automated automated so every morning we say all right like tate has dance today rocky has swim like also i looked through your email and it turns out you have an ob appointment at 11.

31:31great thank you i forgot what we can't do is remove the human connection and the human experience from our day-to-day especially with and that's and that's where you just like miss the mark and you know you get so excited about the technology you're building and all the different ways it can be used that like you forget that we have over indexed in a lot of ways and um yeah so it's a scare it's okay so that bad take and getting roasted for it um so here's some responses what if you just talk to your children exactly i like this one this isn't this one is very very good eli mcmahon i am begging everyone to stop outsourcing your brain to robots life is worth living only because we feel and control every part of it please don't give away your agency i think that's the most important thing thinking about a drive to school where there's an ai podcast talking to my kid it makes me want to cry because i think the beauty of it is how was your day you know really the humanity part of it yes feeling part of it the other side of it is like don't outsource your your life to robots like as we talked to before you know when when you're writing an email instead of a letter okay technically you're outsourcing your life to robots when you're googling something instead of going to the library and looking at books technically you're outsourcing your life to robots so like we are heavily dependent as a society on technology it's about finding the line and holding the line that that technology has in our lives which i think as a whole we've probably let it invade too much this would be letting it invade too much yes and that's what i totally agree with but like you know it's it's invaded a lot before ai is kind of my point and social media is like an amazing example of that yeah i think like you go to a concert and like these concerts are driving me nuts these days just like it's phones in your faces that's what i love about the mothership is like they take your phone away well what who was the girl audrey hobart yeah who did uh she's a lala so she's saying what's the song i want you to sing it um i sang it all night jules because harrison played the clip before he went to bed it's the best song me sumi yeah sumi what is it sumi i'm sumi i want to be wanted Yeah.

33:54Didn't she say texting your ex is iconic? What is that? To me, I want to be one. She doesn't say the word texting. It's a more vulgar word than that, but yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. All right, that song. Good luck, guys. You're going to be sucking your head all day. So she sang it twice. It's such a good show. She said, I'm going to do this song twice. First, you can have your phone. Second time, no phones. Right. Pretty cool. So here's what I love so much about that, okay? When we go to a concert, the performer's favorite song, we often want to hear at least two times and too often we don't get it twice so i want to bring i want to bring back like play play your bangers twice like let's let's normalize that vincent boone did it he did do it remember when we went he kept he did do it what's this and you know what i love i love if i love using it as a as a negotiating tactic with the audience hey hey, first time I'm going to do this, if I don't see a single phone, I will do it a second time.

34:53I like that. And then if anyone pulls out a phone, they have two options. If they get caught with the phone, they need to leave. Or if they don't leave, then the song doesn't get played a second time. What I was curious about is if she had planned that or if she had sang it the first time and she was just looking out and it was just all phones and she was annoyed. And she's like, I'm going to do it again, but put your phones down. I'm sure it was probably planned, but I couldn't tell.

35:27Interesting. She only has, so when it comes to festivals, I'm sure people know this, but you have very specific time slots. Right. And so your sets are specifically programmed. So she would have had to either cut another song or had that in the program. Yeah. Or in the set list, sorry. I love her though. And what do you love about her? I don't know much about her. I like that song though. Love that song. Her brother's also a singer. Cool. And like, I just think they give like similar, I don't know their background. I was going to say it. I don't know their background, but they give like, they grew up doing shows for their parents in their living room.

36:06And like people compare them or like people meme them with Ryan and Sharpay Evans from High School Musical. Oh, cute. And like, it's just like, that's their vibes. It's like they just grew up doing shows for their parents. They give making music in their bedrooms vibes. A la our girl Gracie Abrams, who did it in her bedroom, but just a bedroom with a recording studio in it. For her parents. Okay, yeah, let's see. No, no, no. I made a case for Gracie. Yeah, no, no, no. I love her. She's the best. Yikes. Audrey Hobart is labeled as a Nepo baby. Why? due to her entertainment industry background featuring television writer producer father tim hobart musician brother that's her brother malcolm todd and oh and she's childhood best friends with gracie abrams oh wow oh my gosh dang like no but again again like i said if you missed it on the last episode talking about nepo babies if if there's a level of grit you have to have so i'm for it totally totally i just wanted to reiterate that but this is shocking wow i was just hoping the discovery process would have been a little different that's wild well she's still really talented it's a great no she is it's a great song she's super talented it's one of my favorite songs right now oh jewels after um off campus isn't it in the song yeah it's in off campus oh same yeah and alex earl said the same thing she's like oh my god this song after yeah here's where like you don't want to get to you know conspiracy theory-ish but it's like alright well how does the song end up in Off Campus?

37:49Because it's a good song. It's a phenomenal song. It is a phenomenal song but then when I hear your dad works in TV Yeah. It posts as they would say in the courtroom reasonable doubt. Is that the right use of the term? Probably. I kind of think it is probably like the most accurate. So I love the song. It's a banger. She's incredibly talented. No. But you then what? Okay. So it does pose reasonable doubt. Yes. But the creators of Off Campus are not just going to give a handout to somebody that would hurt their show. This song, you need to see the scene. I downloaded it because of that scene. Yeah.

38:35Yes. It was the perfect application. If you're a producer, okay, and another big producer texts you and says, hey, my daughter made this song. If it fits in your show, great. If not, no sweat about it. Yeah, maybe that. But hey, listen, she still made a really good song. Yeah, it's a great, I'm just. That soundtrack in general is good. It's interesting. It's tough out there, huh? It is and it isn't, right? You know, that's the thing. It is and it isn't. It is and it isn't. It's interesting to think about. At this point in my life, my whole approach to beauty has completely shifted. As a mom of two, I don't have time for a 10-step routine.

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43:07I'm sure there's someone on Amazon for like$30. Yeah, I'm sure somebody's done that. We did a lot of bylawing over the weekend. A lot of dancing. Like a ton. We have to link this speaker. Yeah, the JBL. This JBL speaker is... Got it at Costco. Costco purchase. It's just like a dance party machine. Because it lights up. And she just stands in front of it. Dances. She's really big on Die Die. Now, I was watching. Okay, so it's Die Die for the World Cup, the song Shakira did. Oh, I don't know. Yeah, I think so. Because Erling? Yeah, Erling Holland. Erling Holland? Mm-hmm. Did you see the photo of him and Michael Jordan?