Postpartum anxiety, our first family trip & what are non-parents doing between 4 and 8PM?!

29 Jun 2026 · 1 h 8 min · 28 chapters

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In short

Postpartum anxiety (and how it differs with a second baby), ISR vs structured swim lessons for water safety, plus parenting-life discussion (what non-parents do 4–8pm), travel plans for July 1–4, and a few pop-culture/etiquette segments.

Guests

No guests appear in this episode; it’s hosted by the two “Two Parents and a Podcast” hosts (Alex and Jules), with Harrison and Rocky referenced as family members.

Key claims

Postpartum anxiety can start around 8–9 weeks postpartum and becomes “two-kid” focused (intrusive thoughts about the older toddler and the newborn). Naming anxiety and telling a partner helps; one friend’s suggestion (“text me every time you have the thought”) can interrupt spirals. Swim lessons improve pool safety; the debate is whether ISR is as safe as structured lessons, with concern ISR looks traumatic. ISR is likened to “cry it out” (and rebranded variations exist).

Notable examples

Anxiety about a toddler climbing a rail; texting a friend after a “what if she falls off the counter” thought; ISR described as being thrown into the pool to learn via survival instincts; July trip to Aspen with multiple families and an Airbnb kitchen; airplane iPad loudness debate.

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Chapters

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Breakfast Routines

0:04 to 0:26

The hosts discuss their breakfast habits and share a recent experience at a local restaurant.

“It can help you with practically anything on the web, like restoring a vintage motorcycle from a 50-page restoration block, or finally break down that long article you've had open for weeks.”

Breakfast Routines

1:03 to 2:14

The hosts discuss their breakfast habits and share a recent experience at a local restaurant.

“What do we call it on the main page of Substack?”

Weekend Breakfast Plans

2:14 to 3:49

Debate over establishing a regular Friday breakfast routine.

“One thing about Harrison is he's going to buy a shirt.”

Canada Day and Independence Day

3:49 to 4:56

Discussion about the significance of July 1st and July 4th in Canada and the U.S.

“I think if you interviewed everybody in Canada and you went up to them and said, what's July 4th?”

What Non-Parents Do Between 4 and 8 PM

4:56 to 7:42

Exploration of activities and reflections on life before kids during the evening hours.

“I'm just saying, Canada is acutely aware of what July 4th is.”

Fourth of July Travel Plans

7:42 to 11:20

Hosts share their excitement and plans for a trip during the July 1st and 4th celebrations.

“would be spotless because like right now the house is a mess and i'm like no but i if i had the time I would do it.”

Traveling with Kids and Airbnb

11:20 to 13:44

Discussing the advantages of staying in an Airbnb for family trips.

“So here's how this all came out because we actually haven't talked about this before.”

Pre-Flight Thoughts

13:44 to 14:00

Conversation about early travel routines and drinking habits at the airport.

“And we're going with a bunch of families.”

Anticipating the Family Trip

14:00 to 14:40

The hosts express their excitement about an upcoming family trip and discuss travel dynamics.

Airport Drinking Culture

14:40 to 15:10

The conversation shifts to the early drinking habits observed at airports.

“i fell back asleep but like i was actually trying to make myself really tired so i went to bed early tonight have you ever did do you take notice to how early people are drinking at the airport Yes, I did recently.”
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4th of July Plans

15:10 to 16:40

Detailed planning and expectations for a July 4th celebration in Aspen are discussed.

“Yeah, the airport is a unique place when it comes to booze consumption.”

Exciting Sports Moments

16:40 to 18:10

The hosts share the excitement around Canada's soccer game and its implications.

“In that hole she's not I'm not I literally like I don't think about it this much whenever somebody whenever I'm just like, okay, I'll have a glass of wine or something.”

Cultural Perspectives on Sports

18:10 to 21:32

Discussion on the differences between American and Canadian sports cultures.

“Versus in America, I feel like you get rewarded.”

Golf Tournament Experience

21:58 to 23:28

A humorous recount of a golf tournament and the nervousness surrounding it.

Celebrating Successes

23:28 to 25:15

The hosts discuss celebrating each other's successes and the dynamics of competitive sports.

“pinkies and apparently it's passive-aggressive though it feels very passive-aggressive yeah it feels like I didn't want to give you my two hands to clap so I just gave you my fingers I'm like, casuals.”

Postpartum Anxiety and ISR

25:15 to 28:00

The hosts delve into postpartum anxiety, discussing its effects and experiences related to parenting.

“And Jules does love other people's successes.”

Navigating Postpartum Anxiety

28:00 to 34:31

The hosts discuss experiences with postpartum anxiety and its impact on daily life.

“And the 20 month old can run around and jump off things and jump in the pool.”

Swim Lessons and Water Safety

34:31 to 35:38

The conversation shifts to the differences between ISR and structured swim lessons for children.

“It's, you can do it and then you do it and it's, and it's all good.”

The Great Swim Debate

35:38 to 39:56

Discussion on the pros and cons of ISR swim training versus structured lessons.

Pop Culture and Recommendations

39:56 to 42:05

The hosts share their thoughts on new shows and books, including a review of 'I Will Find You.'

“It's called, it's the Great Swim Debate.”

Book Club Discussions and Reading Choices

42:05 to 45:00

Exploring the dynamics of a book club and the current reading selection.

“That is a name that I have not heard in a very long time.”

Parenting and Professionalism: A Balancing Act

46:07 to 48:54

Discussing a Swedish Prime Minister's decision to bring her baby to a meeting and the implications for working parents.

“Okay, Swedish Prime Minister brought her baby to an EU meeting in a historic first for the EU.”

Airplane Etiquette: Kids on Flights

48:55 to 51:44

Debating the etiquette of toddlers using devices on airplanes and the impact on fellow passengers.

“But I do also think like she's three months postpartum.”

Dating Trends and Economic Impacts

51:45 to 56:00

Analyzing recent statistics on dating expenditures and societal trends affecting young adults.

“But if they don't wear the headphones, should we normalize playing it on loud?”

Exploring the Impact of Rising Home Costs

56:00 to 57:03

Discussion on the rising costs associated with home ownership and mortgage rates.

The Costly Experience of Getting Booted

57:03 to 1:02:08

A recount of a problematic parking experience and the implications of predatory practices.

“I will stay here and talk and then you can go.”

Understanding Bedtime Stalling in Children

1:02:08 to 1:04:04

Insights into children's nighttime behaviors and the importance of bedtime routines.

“No, but I want a sign that says, we will boot you within five minutes of you parking here if you park here.”

Updates on Our Bedtime Routine

1:04:04 to 1:06:09

Updates and changes in the hosts' children's bedtime routines and practices.

“And I see how much Bubba loves her routine.”
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1:16Did you just buy that? I saw a Substack. What do we call it on the main page of Substack? I think they're called notes. Okay, I saw a note. Okay. And it was a picture of the Seinfeld group at the cafe having breakfast. And then it was a photo of the girls from Sex and the City having breakfast. And the commentary was we need to normalize having breakfast with friends before work. So this morning I had went to Cisco's, which is I'd never been. I'd heard all about it. It's like a true Austin institution. Okay. Started in the 50s. Just an incredibly storied restaurant. You just go in and the walls are lined with photos of different really cool characters that have eaten through the air.

2:10And that's what I did this morning before recording. It was very cool. So I got some merch. I noticed you got a hat and a shirt. Yeah. It's adorable. Yeah. Cisco's. One thing about Harrison is he's going to buy a shirt. I love restaurant merch, though. Yeah. I'm a big restaurant merch guy. You're going to buy a shirt. I love it. And so migas is the popular dish. It's like their most famous dish there. And who and how was it? It was great. It was phenomenal. It was phenomenal. Okay. Yeah. Anything else to report? No, but I think, well, I think Friday is inherently going to be a better day to do this than Monday.

2:46But I think I want to get in a routine of Friday breakfasts. I love it. I think you should do it. I think that one thing about you, though, is you will name like every Friday I want to go to breakfast. Can we? Whoa, whoa, whoa. No, no, no. If everyone can remember. I need to run the tapes back. Okay. And I was very careful with my words today. I didn't commit to it. I said I think I'd like to start doing breakfast on Fridays. Not every Friday. Why don't you do one breakfast on Friday? I did it today. I literally did it. It's Monday. So I thought a great time. I want to push it now to Friday. I think if any I just want to say like my Friday workouts exactly exactly and we record on Fridays and like it's not gonna happen and I just want everyone to remember back four was it four weeks ago when Harrison tried to declare every Tuesday as Taco Tuesdays you haven't even remember and then there was the week that we every week we were gonna start on Mondays making dinners at home like honey we have two kids under two we can't even make our bed in the morning much less the only thing i've seen you do multiple weeks in a row there was a phase where i think you did it three weeks in a row you went got barbecue on fridays at noon oh that was a very good routine and see but you know what you didn't do there you didn't name it a routine you just did it so on the topic of things that aren't routines yes or it is an annual routine did you know what july 1st is why the significant that the significance of july 1st is princess diana's birthday okay a big one yeah um canada day okay so you didn't know yeah you didn't know also my birthday also my dad's birthday yes so i wasn't know i wasn't aware if you were aware that you co-hosted july 1st with canada i was aware yes okay i just i'm not so sure like like canada knows what July 4th is, right?

4:44I think if you interviewed everybody in Canada and you went up to them and said, what's July 4th? They'd be like, America's birthday. Oh my God, America's birthday. Like we see the fireworks over the border. Oh my gosh. No, that is not the tone. It is, yes, it is. I'm just saying that. It is 250, baby. They are, but they are. 250, TNT fireworks. Go out and get them, please. I'm just saying, Canada is acutely aware of what July 4th is. I think if you walked around America and you were like, hey, what's July 1st? People would be like, the first day of July. I don't think anybody knows it's Canada.

5:13I literally just asked you if you knew what it was. That was part of my point. I'm just saying, I don't think, is that correct though? Like growing up in Canada, everyone knew what July 4th was. A hundred percent. But I've staked this before and I'll say it again. There are a lot of things in Canada that became a lot bigger when Instagram profiled how amazing they were in the US. So like Canadian Thanksgiving had like a step up. Fact. Canada Day had a step up. What do you guys do? Do you do fireworks now? Is Canada Day your birthday? Is it Canada's birthday? I would assume so. It is. I Googled that.

5:51It is. Okay. Okay. It's just as we do, it's just a lower key 4th of July. How many years apart are we? Canada and America. We're 250. Probably like 249. Canada Day was 1867. um isn't america 1776 i think so can you just give us the age of that i'm gonna butcher that math yeah one sec how old is canada turning 142 159 159 okay it's a lot of years all right happy birthday Canada almost um all right so the birthday you almost yeah thank you so there's this video about a guy talking about like what do non-parents do between the hours of four and eight and I feel like the most common thing I talk to our friends about is like what are you guys doing between four and eight you know like when you're off work but your kids aren't asleep yet and so I was thinking now you know obviously we're cooking dinner we're going to the park we're playing were going to swim or something like that.

6:59Surviving. But if you didn't have kids and you went back to your pre-kid self and you had the hours between 4 to 8, knowing what you know now of like you could lose those hours, what would you do with them?

7:12Worked a lot later. Okay. Is one thing I did. I would do workouts past 5 o 'clock. You would move your gym time to evening. I did do workouts in the evening. and then uh no no what it's the question is not what did you used to do the question is now having the perspective like if i told you hey you're just going to delete back to your old life but you're going to remember this one like you now have your four to eight back what are you going to do with it you tell me well i would i would organize a lot like i would have my house would be spotless because like right now the house is a mess and i'm like no but i if i had the time I would do it.

7:52I would definitely go to the gym at night. I agree. I think I would like take up cooking as a hobby. I think I, I would get so much more done if I had that time back. I don't know what I used to do from four to eight.

8:11What is wrong with you? I'm thinking about you cooking and it just makes me laugh. So we, we went to central market. Okay. On, on the weekend. And this is Alex's palate. She just raw dogged a, they have this really great chicken sandwich at, at Central Market at like the kind of cafe deli thing. And rather than getting the chicken sandwich, she just gets raw dog chicken breast on bread and then opens it up and eats like 10 to 15 % of the bread and the chicken breast. And I ate my sweet potato fries. That's what I replaced the bread with. But like no sauce, no lettuce, onion, tomato, no cheese.

8:57Like you're just, you're not a food person. No, there's eat to live or live to eat. Yeah. So I got to call you on, I don't think you would develop cooking as a hobby because like you don't care about food. I don't. I would love to cook grand meals every Sunday night or grand meals every Monday night. But the reason why we don't is because whenever I'm cooking, all you want is the food to just be done and ready. And you don't like appreciate, you know, a six hour slow roast. Oh, am I stealing a joy from you? Will you deliver me so many other joys that it's totally fine? But do you want to start cooking at home?

9:37I would love Mondays, big dinners, Tuesday, Taco Tuesday. Friday breakfast. Friday breakfast. And then barbecue. Thank you. H, I don't want you to not cook because of me. I can eat on my own meal. I'm happy to eat my own meal. And you do eat your own meal. And then the point is just me and Bubba are eating the food. I know. Last night, poor Harrison, he comes downstairs and he goes, what are we going to do for dinner? I'm like, I ate. I've eaten. I'm full. Thank you. And I eat this. I'm really on this big, big, big kick right now, though. Burgers and sweet potato fries. I'm making them. Yesterday I made a sweet potato French fry egg and ground turkey bowl though.

10:16I couldn't believe what you did to the sandwich. I couldn't believe it. Yeah. Well, so you don't have much of a thought about what you do from four to eight. I would like take up a hobby. I don't know. Socialize? No, I didn't know this question was coming. So I think I'd go back. I liked my old life. There's a lot of social stuff in the evenings. A lot of workouts. but just i feel like i'd work late like i would i would so often like bring my laptop to the bar like to a restaurant bar and like do more creative light work from like six to seven thirty yeah that's a really good burger beer maybe an n a beer depending on the state i was in yep i like it mindset okay um should we talk about our fourth of july travel plans yeah we Definitely.

11:11Okay. I haven't been this excited for a trip in a long time. Same. We haven't been on a trip in a long time. Like we just went to Oklahoma City, but that wasn't like a vacation. So here's how this all came out because we actually haven't talked about this before. So we wanted this July 1st week is a very, very big week for us because obviously July 1st Canada Day and July 4th 250. 50 but so because we have the double whammy of alex's birthday on the first and and the fourth we wanted to be somewhere fun and awesome but planning with kids two kids two kids and other couples very hard so we made the decision let's pick somewhere that we're gonna love being no matter what and whatever happens happens so we book aspen and well and the other thing was it had to be a direct flight.

12:03Yeah. Our core requirements was great town. It's going to be lively for the fourth parade, all that somewhere that we love, good activities for kids and direct flight. And we now wake up probably six, eight weeks after booking and four other couples are coming. So there's going to be 10 of us total. No, five other couples are coming. Four other couples are coming. We make five, sorry. Four other couples are coming. Two other friends will be there as well. So some nights our peak dinners will be 12. Yep. The neighbors are coming. It's like a big turn into a big friendship. They actually know them.

12:46The neighbors are coming so their kids are coming. And then Shannon, who I've talked about on here before, she's coming and her kids are coming. So we're going to have like all the same age kids. It's going to be a big, big, big group. And I'm going to go after this and get them matching airport outfits. I think with kids all in, we're over 20. Are you guys staying together? No. Because we booked an Airbnb because we're like, we need a kitchen. Like, we do not want to be jacking with, like, two hotel rooms. No. And so we're taking Diana, our night nurse. Why are you pointing at me? Because I have a before and an after parenting.

13:21Okay? Yeah. My appreciation for Airbnb has now reached a whole new level. Because in traveling, the thing that really didn't matter to us before but matters to us now is a kitchen. Totally. And you're going to need two rooms. You're going to need a kitchen. The feasibility of that in hotels isn't really there. So Airbnb is just like on. And a microwave is very helpful. Yeah. Very, very big Airbnb fan before. Yeah. Very big Airbnb fan. So anyways, we're going to Aspen. And we're going with a bunch of families. And we've never really traveled with other kids. So I'm so excited. So excited. We're all on the same flight.

14:04It's going to be really fun. Oh, that's hilarious. Yeah. Yeah, it's going to be great. I can't. Jules, I'm so excited. Are we allowed? Yeah. I'm just kidding. All right. Can I have a mimosa on the flight? Heck no. Nothing sounds worse. Okay. Are you? Great answer. Are you going to have a beer? It's a 9.30 flight. this is my nightmare like a mimosa to like then you kind of get a little sleepy like you land you got to get to the airbnb you are like unpack you got to get situated now i want to be like i actually got up early this morning well bubber got up at five so then i tried to stay awake and then i fell back asleep but like i was actually trying to make myself really tired so i went to bed early tonight have you ever did do you take notice to how early people are drinking at the airport Yes, I did recently.

14:58Like when you have a 6, 7 a.m. flight, there's people there that are drinking. No question. No question. A lot of mimosas. I don't know what that is. I don't think it's vacation mode. Maybe it's flight anxiety. Yeah, the airport is a unique place when it comes to booze consumption. I wonder if there's a stat on that, but I do think that airports sell a ton of alcohol. I get it if you're like delayed. I'm just saying I see people just like outright 615, 630 beers. I hate drinking in the morning. Like for me, it ruins your day. I also have never understood. What time are you going to start drinking July 4th?

15:48I don't really think about it. I don't know. But way later in the afternoon. Okay. If we had a podcast and on the podcast we like talked about our plans and things. Okay. Yeah. And okay. Now we're boom. We wake up. We're in Aspen. It's July 4th. Okay. We got kids. We got our kids. It's Saturday. We got our friends. America's 250th anniversary. I love a coffee. Okay. Walk me through your 4th of July. Well the parade I think is at noon in Aspen and it's called a classic parade which I'm very excited about. So I would assume we get up. I think we're going to go to breakfast. I think we're going to go to the park.

16:21I think we're gonna the girls will run around and then I think we'll make our way to the parade And then I think we'll be there and then I assume we're gonna go to lunch afterwards Okay, then we're gonna have nap time Okay, and then we're gonna wake up and then I don't know They're not gonna make it to fireworks and they don't even have fireworks if they have a laser show So we'll do something else fourth of July e so when so when are you thinking the first cocktails consumed? In that hole she's not I'm not I literally like I don't think about it this much whenever somebody whenever I'm just like, okay, I'll have a glass of wine or something.

16:53Okay. Did you forget about something that's happening at 11 a.m.? Yes. If it's a trick question, I want to know up front. No, there's not trick. There's all that you forgot. Part of our 11 a.m. plans, which I'm a little confused about if the parade's at 12, because the parade is going to take priority on it. Oh, there's a soccer game. Who is it? Canada's playing. Oh. Yeah. Canada plays the winner of Morocco, Netherlands. Okay. So this is actually exciting. We watched the Canada game yesterday, and Canada won. Okay, so if you don't understand what happened, it doesn't matter what happened before this.

17:27Just know this now. If they lose, they're out. That's all that matters. Every game moving forward in the World Cup, yes. Okay, it didn't used to be this way. It's that way now. And so Canada won, and they advanced. They showed the coach's speech afterwards, and he's like, you guys are Canadian national heroes. No one has ever advanced past the first round, and they did it. So it's really exciting. He was like, you guys are heroes. So there's a really big difference in the Canadian and American mindset. Okay. You can tell me how this lands. Like in Canada, like you become a hero for just getting to the round of 16, for being one of the 16 best.

18:08It means there's not a lot of competition. Versus in America, I feel like you get rewarded. I mean, you really got to do something cool. You really got to, like, the U.S. hockey team wasn't going to be celebrated for coming second in the Olympics. It was gold or bust, right? That's the American mindset. We have high standards. Versus, I feel very much when it comes to athletics, the Canadian mindset is like, did we put up a good effort? Everyone gets a trophy in Canada. No, no, no. It's a, did we put up a good effort? So, like, I feel like we put up, like, because we put up a good effort. Did you guys try hard?

18:47And you did. Well, I posted a video talking about swim lessons, and we took the trophies. And I was like, I know not everybody gets a trophy. And my favorite comment was, life is too short for everyone not to get a trophy. And I thought, that is really nice. It's really nice. Do the Canadians get paid as much, like their major sports people? No. So one of the big stats that the Canadians love to point to in terms of how our general athletic performance trails the U.S. is we don't have the funding for it. And so it's like even when you look at the Olympics, things like governments will pay their athletes per medal earned.

19:29And we're just like, you know, so much lower than. but i think that america's care americans probably care more because they get this i keep saying sports people because they get paid so much because like i sit there and i'm like this person's making a bajillion dollars and they can't make every single free throw right free throw just seems like something that those people should be able to make every single time and i don't know so that that's where i come from of like yeah win because we pay you so much money right like you're making $150 million, you better put the ball in the hoop. Yes. Every time you shoot it, I agree, Jules.

20:04Yeah, well, the U.S. soccer team makes significantly less than, like, the players on Spain and France. Well, 100%. I mean, aren't they the highest paid athletes in the world, like, the European soccer players? I would assume so. Like, Cristiano Ronaldo, I think, his contract is the biggest or Messi's. And then baseball is pretty high. Sponsorships, too. yes yes is that probably from sponsorships as well if you're the first and second most followed people on Instagram yeah I would imagine one I'm sure you what do you sponsor him for a year for what number 50 million dollars I don't know my pretty okay I'm gonna take it back you deserve to feel good in your body this summer that's why weight loss by hers now offers access to FDA approved WeGoV pill and WeGoV pins, you guys, designed to help you lose weight and keep it off.

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23:43Tell the class. The last time I talked about golf on the podcast, I think I lost five balls in the first two holes of the course I played. Which is not good. For me on the course, when things go bad, they can go very bad. I was very nervous. And I don't think I played as well as I did on Friday in years. Maybe ever. Maybe ever. Like, I was just focused. I was dialed in. I was making great contact. It wasn't as good as it could have. Let me ask you this. When you do that, since you didn't know any of these people, at least if you did know me, don't know them well, do you then say, like, I'm a pretty good golfer?

24:20Or do you let them know, like, this never happens to me? I was very clear on the latter because when I got up there, I had to apologize in advance for my performance. Okay, good. Yeah. But I feel like it all starts off the first tee. It does because that's your confidence builder. I knocked off first tee and just smashed a drive down the middle of the fairway. Did you guys use your ball? And I turned to them and I said, I'm glad that that drive went that way because everyone was very complimentary. Because now, like, when I whiff the next 17 tee shots, you know, at least I'll have that to fall back on.

24:59So they knew I stunk. But yeah, it went way better than I could have thought. That is so good. It just is exciting when things happen. Jules, I can't believe you're smiling for me. I love other people's successes. Oh, thank you. That is such a great answer, Jules. And Jules does love other people's successes. Except mine. Except Harrison's. That's not even true at all. Okay. We're going to talk about postpartum anxiety and ISR. We can talk about them interchangeably, actually, because they kind of - Would you have a bug bite? He has like 75 bug bites in one area. Did you see what was happening?

25:38No, did he look like a dog, though? Scratching his back. Scratching. It's terrible. She won't scratch my bites. Because they're all - So basically, like, a bug basically crawled in his shirt and, like, bit him, like, a lot of times in the cluster. And he wants me to itch them, but I'm doing you a favor by not itching them, because if I itch them, then they'll itch. I would like you to itch them off. Do you guys have one of those bug bite things? The which one we've all the bug bite tools. Yeah, the thing that like suctioned it. I find that that really works So so do I but it only works if you do in the first 24 hours And I didn't notice this until then these are like Something like something more you're a spider.

26:16Yeah spider bite. I'm trying to pretend like it wasn't but what a spider bite itch. Yeah It's my nightmare. I hope it didn't happen at night in the bed. Yeah, I I can't even. You know when it happened? When? Oh my. Three nights ago when you were showering, I went and just like laid on your side of the bed. Stop, stop. And I felt a bunch of bites, but I thought it was your heating pad. Okay. Don't ruin my day. Tonight I'll just like dream of spiders. I told you about the time my mom woke up with a scorpion. That's incredibly scary. Yeah. In her bed? Yes. I didn't know that scorpions existed in the world.

27:06Me either, Jules. I love to pretend like they don't. It's horrible. Horrible, horrible, horrible. Speaking of. Okay, so do you want to talk about ISR or postpartum anxiety first? Because they're cousins of each other because the swimming is part of what gives me anxiety. So the reason I wanted to talk about postpartum anxiety was because I saw a lot of my girlfriends this weekend and I was talking to them to them a lot and they're my friends are so good at asking me like how are you how are things going and I was talking to Shannon and I was like oh I just like have postpartum anxiety now like I've been pretty anxious about things and the moms they kind of like laugh and they're like the craziest thing about postpartum anxiety the second time that you have a baby is is you have anxiety a lot right but it applies to two kids now so when you had it the first time it was very siloed to your one baby but now you have it because postpartum anxiety is a very regular thing because your hormones are all out of whack.

27:58So now you have the anxiety, but you're worried about a 20 month old and a two month old. And the 20 month old can run around and jump off things and jump in the pool. And like that kind of anxiety is so different than the one that you have towards the baby. So this happened to me with Tate too, which is my depression came on like six weeks delayed. Remember six weeks postpartum is when it really hit this anxiety's come on the last like week which would be around eight nine weeks and um it's not nearly as bad as the depression was it's actually quite manageable it's just I had to name it I had to tell Harrison like I've had really bad anxiety and it's it's things like we have this like rail in our house that Tate the other day started to climb up on and I was like Harrison and he like came upstairs and he's like yeah and I'm like look she's climbed up on it and he's like okay and I'm like what if she falls over the other side and then like hits something and then like falls down again and he's like what and I and it's just like those intrusive thoughts of this very unlikely thing happening and I was like sweating and I know that it's not realistic but you also can't help it and it's also just like part of a mom happening.

29:14So anyways, I just wanted to share that I am having that because I feel like I share a lot about my postpartum journey on here and online and like everything. And so if I didn't include the anxiety part, which is a big part of it right now for me, then that wasn't, I was like, why am I talking to everybody about it this weekend? But I haven't talked about it on the podcast yet. So I made a note to do so. Um, the other thing is I had a friend, Michelle, I was like, man, having the postpartum anxiety. And she was like, Oh, just text me every time you have a thought. So the first time I did it because Tate was on the counter, she was sitting on the counter and Harrison was sitting right beside her and he was standing and they were eating together.

29:53And I sent her a photo and I was like, what if Tate falls off the counter? Odds are very slim. Harrison is literally right there with her. And I haven't texted her any of the other things, but it's funny because what, what happened when she said, text me every time you have this. What it did was every time I have it, I think about texting her and I kind of laughed to myself. I'm like, imagine typing this out to Michelle. It wouldn't even make sense. And I don't know what that is neurologically, but it's done something for my brain that almost takes me out of it and brings me back to reality where I think of physically picking at my phone and texting it to her.

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30:27And that helps calm me down. So I do think like a good, I don't, I always say, I don't have advice on here, but if somebody says they're going through that one thing you could do as a friend is be like hey text me when it happens and I do think it would help them because it's really helped me yeah interesting well I think that collectively what you've said it just um it speaks to you know it's another reminder of just like how much you carry you know from starting in pregnancy to you know many many months following giving birth to the baby. And, yeah, I'm just like inconsistent of like how much you, on how much you need to carry both physically and emotionally.

31:14And I'm proud of you for identifying it. And I feel like by you identifying it and communicating it, it then puts you in the best position to um you know to operate your your day-to-day a la with things like michelle and your other friends or or you know allowing me to adapt my mindset to make sure i can be as supportive in any way possible so that is initially what it's been so it's been so nice though the second time like when somebody says how are you i i think with depression i had a lot of like guilt around it like i felt like if i said oh i'm sort of dealing with some depression number one i think i start crying but number two i felt like it took away from um loving the baby so much like you're like i'm in my newborn bliss like i'm obsessed with this baby but i'm also feeling feelings of depression right you feel them both at the same time and i think it's always hard for people to admit they have depression because they feel like it it takes away from the love they have for the baby which i know are not it's not true but what's nice the second time around is number one it's not so bad okay so i'm coming at this from a place of privilege where my anxiety on a scale of one to ten is maybe a four yeah maybe a four or five how often does it come and go it comes every day multiple times a day but it's not there consistently yeah but me just being able to name it sometimes i even laugh at it but it's like it's like every day i take one person now it's like I take two and the second one's anxiety and I know I'm not going to have to carry that purse forever but I'm just carrying it right now and I know why I'm carrying it I'm carrying it because I just had a baby I'm carrying it because my hormones are out of whack I'm carrying it because I'm breastfeeding like I understand why I have this bag so I'm okay with it and I and now I know it's not there forever which I wasn't so sure of the first time around so it's like okay I'm carrying a little extra but I can still walk out the door with my two purses I can still go do everything I want to do with my two purses.

33:15Yeah. Which is, it's at a very manageable place. And Shannon asked me, or was it Shannon? Somebody asked me, is there anything you want to do different with this? Like, okay, so if you're telling me you have anxiety, is there anything you want to do different? I said, you know, we've added a third episode. We've added a sub stack. I don't want to change anything. Like, I like that we're doing that. I'm okay with this anxiety. I know how to handle it. I honestly welcome it. Because I can't make my hormones go away. And so all I can do is just tell Harrison I have it and that's it. Well, you're doing a phenomenal job as a mother, a partner, a friend.

33:55But I do think it can be crippling. Like I do think for some people it can be crippling. And what you just spoke to, like every day more than once a day, like that is no small ordeal. Like that's not something to just like brush under the rug. And that's kind of why it goes back to, you know, the bringing the attention to it, because like you there you deal with so much through this entire process. And it's it's it's pretty unbelievable. Yeah, it is. It's pretty. It's pretty crazy stuff. And then last week I was also anxious because I felt like I was behind. mind like I just felt like I think because we went to the funeral I was like oh my gosh I'm so underwater and then typically Alex knows like girl just write it down get the list done move on with life but what was happening to me last week and I'm sure a lot of postpartum moms can identify with this little tasks feel really big and so I was like how am I ever going to get out from being underwater I'm never going to be able to write this up a second it's like just start chipping away at it, girl.

35:00It's, you can do it and then you do it and it's, and it's all good. Okay. So ISR versus swim lessons. So our swim lessons concluded, which we called it actually the swim season. So our season is over. And so we had a really fun season where they were kind of like splashing and like floating and jumping in the pool. And you know, things need to get a lot more serious if we're going to have a pool ourself. Yeah. This was very much an introductory to water session not swim lessons correct I need to read like I I don't think that we can sit there as parents and say that they just did swim lessons as much fun as the kids had and as much fun as the parents had on Thursdays that was not swim lessons so what was your ISR learnings because you said you had some no I I would like I want to better understand ISR versus structured swim lessons okay so it's on my it's on my to-do list because you know i think that what i didn't what i want to just thoroughly understand is you know i think this the the research is very clear that swim lessons uh drastically improve safety around poles right there's no ifs ands or buts around that the question is just how much safer is isr versus structured swim lessons and that's what i won't understand because what where my concern with isr is is it looks very traumatic so if people don't know what isr is it's like they literally throw your baby into the pool and your baby basically learns through its natural survival instincts it appears to flip to flip and turn on their back and i i really fear that it will have negative you know near-term consequences on how they their excitement towards the water and versus doing a more structured swim lesson which what we did was not where you really like it may it won't be as fun as them singing songs in the pool but they'll learn how to swim and they'll learn how to swim in a less traumatic way and so as long as there's no clear difference in um in the safety component between the two outcome thank you like i am very much leaning towards structured swim lessons i was talking to a parent at a birthday party the other day and and they did the structured swim lessons and um and and that i feel like is how we're gonna we're gonna adapt but i was like i want to see I want to see the studies on this well I asked Substack and I and nobody that responded had like research-based answers but they were like okay here's my experience or here's what I've heard about it and basically it was like yeah it can suck while you're watching it but it it is so beneficial for them and so I agree if the if we can get to the same outcome without it sucking that's ideal for me yeah being traumatizing like I'm all listen let me say this too though if if Parents are doing ISR.

38:11I applaud you because what you're doing ultimately is trying to make your kid in the safest place possible when it comes to pool and water safety. So, like, my hat's off to you because I think that's incredible. And it's six weeks straight. It's hard to get to. It's hard to watch. Like, you're not doing it for fun. So, I really commend the parents that do it. I just think you're coming at it from a is there a different way to do it approach. like I'm very pro ISR because I love parents that are trying to that are for water safety yeah I'm very pro water safety as well it's just what is what is the best what's the most balanced approach yeah he should Harrison's just looking at it from a what do we want to do with our kid point but I just want to say like those that are doing ISR I think it's awesome in in my brain like ISR is almost the equivalent to like cry it out method correct Jules and then like there's some parallel here hey jules thank you yeah snaps for jewels in a non-passy way yeah you like that word passy yep we all got it honey thank you for that like i don't know you guys probably know the other relations but like isr to me equals cried out and then there's some ferber method is apparently there's a new here's it apparently there's a new someone sent it i'll have to go back and find it but there's like some new thing called X and they're like that's just ISR but they rebranded it because parents are afraid of ISR ah so like there there's also I think some element of you know big pool big water like branding these things in different ways and probably taking advantage of parents in different ways so like I don't know it is really interesting and Harrison should write his sub stack article Yeah, I would like to do some stuff on the findings.

39:58Yeah, I think you should definitely. I already labeled it. Did you see my title? I did. Do you want to tell us your title? It's called, it's the Great Swim Debate. Why we, and then it'll say what we chose to do over what we chose not to do. Why we chose ISR over not, or why we chose not to do ISR. Okay, great. Yeah, so I don't know. Definitely tell us in the comments your experience with it, but ultimately the goal is safety that's that's what every pair i mean it's just have this on your radar right but we'll see what we decide to do the other thing is from a timeline perspective we want rocky to be able to do it too and they can start it at six months rookie bears rocky bears so we're probably going to do this when's rocky six months september october october and our pool will be done so we've got a bit yeah i'm like minorly stressed because um they've like started a bunch of new work on the yard today and like i'm not there and they're texting saying that they're there and they're doing like the leveling i saw them i said hello to them but yes water safety very very very important yeah yeah yeah yeah all right um pop culture some pop culture news.

41:16A Swedish prime minister brought her baby, what? Two announcements. Okay, Harrison's raised his hand. Okay. First is, this is the first break that I would like to take, but I'm not taking for the bathroom. I also have to pee, so it's interesting. Okay. Thank you. We can have a hold at battle. The second is I have a new show before we get into this that I need to share. Yeah, do share with the class. That I absolutely dummied. I binge watched, as the kids say. okay it's called i will find you on netflix oh i haven't heard of it it is new it is good it is a worse version of that hbo show all her fault all her fault it's a worse version of all her fault it's like a cheat it's like the netflix version of all her fault like you know netflix is just like generally a lot like lighter in nature more like action heavy this the plots are a little less deep and complex yes versus the hbo plots yes yeah that's how i would describe the two of them it's based on a book oh based on a book book club is reading about hawking romance we are reading hold on let me just we just said okay fame sick fame stick Fame Stick.

42:36I need to order it. Fame Sick by Lena Dunham. Is that her book? Oh. That is a name that I have not heard in a very long time. The Lena Dunham book. I've been talking about this. But when I search... Oh, nope. I spelled fame wrong. What's it about? Yeah, it's Fame Sick. A memoir, Lena Dunham, about her struggles with chronic illness, fame, and ambition while creating girls. but they're both but everyone is saying fame stick but why are they saying fame stick that's not a book it's not a book we're sure i'm positive when i search fame stick only fame sick comes up okay okay so fame stick we're reading i i heard it was good um okay so that's what we're gonna read so all right now i'm gonna get back to the pop culture so watch the show Harrison loved it.

43:30Sorry. I was just going to say a memoir for a book club is interesting. I agree. Well, when you don't talk about the book at book club, it really doesn't matter what you read, Jules. We definitely talk about the book. I'm excited to read it. I think we have 11 days for this one, though, so we really got it. Did you know, Jules, of the eight people at book club? Okay. There's eight there, right? There were six there, but there's eight in it. Of the six there, only three of them read the book. Three of them didn't even order the book. No, four of us read the book. Oh my God, I made that up. What?

44:02Two of them? What? That was like a thing. No, no, no. They didn't finish it. Yeah. So we had to explain the ending to them. That was a bad, that was a dad joke I was making. I was making a dad joke. There's two of them were busy. They're busy moms. Yeah. Harrison. But then let's call it a girl. No. Busy moms deserve a girl's night out. No. No, they read like 80 % of the book. They just didn't finish it.

44:33I just feel like this is one of those things that we keep learning more information. And today it's 80 % of the book. And now I'm going to ask. And it's going to be like, well, one of them, the book was delayed because it showed up and they couldn't find it. So they were 80 % committed to reading each other. You can ask Shannon tomorrow how much of the book did you read? She was one of the ones that didn't finish it. But she knew a lot. So she got pretty far. wayfair every style every home your outdoor space should feel like you and we're on a serious mission to make that happen if you've been following along you know we're in the middle of a full backyard renovation right now it's going to be a while before anything is actually done but we're already planning to furnish the whole patio with wayfair when it's ready and in the meantime we've been using wayfair for the smaller stuff and honestly it's been such a game changer we grabbed an outdoor rolling cart cooler for our neighborhood block party and I cannot tell you how many times people were like where did you get that because it's bright red it's so cute and it rolls around so the drinks are always right there with you all the time you don't have to run in and out of the house just to get a cold drink and that's the thing about Wayfair whether your vibe is modern coastal farmhouse or eclectic they have something for you they have outdoor seating grills patio lighting, rugs, decor.

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46:30Like, where's the line in professionalism, right? Like, when a woman has a baby, should she have to pick between work and being a mom? And should work adapt to the parents, or should parents adapt to work? I think that, that like one thing that most working parents have dealt with, if not all is like, there's been a meeting where you need to bring your kid to it. You know, that happened on more than one occasion with Tate when they're so young, it's very non-disruptive. So I think that we want to be very, just like understanding that this dynamic occurs. but we also like yeah i think that that it's gonna happen like that's just part of life yeah i think it's gonna happen make sure you i think every parent should just like make sure they're doing their best that um it's as it's as least disruptive as it can as possible yeah i think i think you have a good point here and i would call it apply common sense to it so yeah basically if you apply common sense, you say, okay, she's probably three months postpartum.

47:40Maybe her postpartum leave is six months, but this was a very important meeting. So she strapped the baby on. She said, I'm bringing the baby to work. Like I'm breastfeeding the baby. We're going. So they come to the meeting, right? Do you bring your, your baby to work every single day to the office? Of course not. That would be so disruptive. And that's not conducive to like a working atmosphere. You know, you're going to have to figure something else out what that looks like. I don't know, a longer maternity leave. Do you get help? I don't know what it is. Do your own journey, but like we can't totally make you can't take the baby from eight to five to work totally i think we all know that but i do think this is really honestly i think it's badass to strap the baby to you and go and like i think that it would be cool if a dad did that too if he's like hey my wife's at home you know she's got she's got our other kids at home i brought the baby to work today like okay cool because like parents are just doing the best they can so i'm very here for that but I do think this is an iconic moment.

48:33So I think the way I'm going to zag it in to more realistic day-to-day life is like there's going to be times that parents need to bring their kids to work because something happens and we've got to be understanding of that. I also think it's... But we've got to use common sense, as you said. Yeah, I mean, apply common sense to it. But I do also think like she's three months postpartum. I think it's completely fine that she still wants to be baby wearing. She's like, I'll go to the meeting, but I'm bringing the baby and my partner will come too. I'm good with all that. And I think as parents, we also have a very good feel for like our baby's potential impact on a meeting.

49:17Correct. Some children are, you know, inherently they're going to cry a lot less than others and we plan accordingly. No question. But I think it's quite cool that she did it. Also, what I forgot to tell you about Aspen earlier was in the comments we had some developmentally appropriate games for a two-year-old on an iPad. I think we should download one. So just so you guys know, there's Pok Pok, Montessori-style play. Sago? Sago? Mini World, imaginative play. Toka Boca Jr., animals gardening and cooking. Baby piano, oh, she would love. Can explore the sounds and music. She'll be bilaring on the plane, which would be really fun.

49:58drawing for kids by Benny Games which is tracing and coloring motor skills and duck duck moose moose math early intro to shapes and counting okay 100 % think we should download those I have a question for the audience what and this is both for the parents and the non parents okay this is for everyone is it gonna be airplane etiquette I can feel it this is an airplane etiquette question alright I found that putting headphones on toddlers can be very hard okay you cannot play it out loud They're very clear on that. So here's the question. If you are sitting beside a toddler, would you rather, number one, them listen to the iPad on loud, so you're listening to some children's show, or number two, it's not on loud, but then the kid is bored and crying and yelling during the flight?

50:56What would you rather, option A or option B? I'm picking option A because I'm going to have my own noise-canceling headphones, so I don't really care if their iPad's on loud. Yeah, I don't really care, but I think, I don't know if you... You can't. They make an announcement. You can do that. Yeah. And that's what I'm saying is I think the rule is you're not allowed to, but is option A not better? The rule is, yeah, you must have headphones when listening to your device, which is why airlines now hand them out. And they have them available. And the question is, should that be except if you're a child under three or something?

51:28No, imagine. Like, I think you're looking at this as a one-off scenario. Like, you know, row 19, that one kid and that one adult. But think about if row 11, 19, 21, they're all listening to their iPads on loud. It's chaos. It's best efforts. It's like bringing your baby to a meeting. Like, you try to have them wear the headphones. But if they don't wear the headphones, should we normalize playing it on loud? It's a question. I agree. I just, I do think that would end very poorly. because unfortunately what happens with airplane etiquette we see is you start, you give people an inch on these airplanes, they take a mile.

52:02Yeah. I see it. We see it time and time again. I mean, you see it when they say, please let the people that have a connecting flight get off first. It's always a fight. Yeah. So it's just. I will say that when they ask the connecting people to get off, I think we generally do a pretty good job at that. Well, if I'm getting off with them, I start talking about my connection time. I just want to let everyone know. I do have a connection. It is soon. Yep. We're all in this together. Yep. All right. Harrison has some morning brew stuff. So the first thing that you've put in here, which I think is very interesting, is a new Bank of America survey shows that 51 % of people aged 18 to 29 spent$0 on dates this year, which is crazy, suggesting that Gen Z might be pulling back on wining and dining to save money.

53:02You hate to hear it. What are they buying if they're not wining and dining? I think wining and dining is one of the more fun things in life. Like if you would have told me this study is like 18 to 24 or 18 to 25. I could understand. I'm surprised that it's up to 29. Right. Because what are you spending your money on? Maybe nothing and you're just saving a lot? I don't know. I think it speaks to – Yeah, I was going to say I don't think it's about saving money. No, it's about dating. Thank you. To me, this is about dating culture. I think that you look at what's happened with fertility rates and how fertility rates have completely declined.

53:46And our generation is having significantly less kids than generations prior. And obviously, one component of that is struggles with getting pregnant. But also a very, very large driver of that is people just not wanting to have kids. dinks as we call them? Dual income, no kids. Yes, dual income, no kids. I feel like this ties into that and priorities are being placed elsewhere. I'm quite surprised though and yeah, I don't know. I thought this was an interesting stat. I don't know if I had anything to share beyond that. Well, let me say this. Finding love isn't cheap. So in February, the BMO Financial Group reported that the average cost of a date, which includes gas, food and grooming, hit what price?

54:33what do you think the average price of a date was 148 joules i can't guess because i saw it 189 i mean that's expensive you know 100 almost 200 for a date and you think about it some people are going some people can go on two two dates a week i don't know but on that number you're probably going on one to a month i would be curious to hear like when people were in the prime of dating how many dates are you going on you know like what's your average do you try to to do one a week try to do three a month I think most girls that I know do like one a week one a week if they're if they're like on the hunt they're like dating yeah yeah yeah yeah um that is up 12.5 percent from last year wow which lapsed the 2.7 inflation rate over the same period I wonder why I wonder why the price of a date went up so much okay so the next stat you've given us is in 2019$2 ,500 bought you a house for$500 ,000.

55:34I'm using round numbers here, okay? Yep. Today you take$2 ,500. That will buy you a house for$385 ,000. So we're down around$130 ,000. Why is that? Well, they're saying mortgage rates. did you copy and paste the stat i shared or do you did you retranslate it i redid it i didn't understand your stat okay we needed that there was a there was there was some other numbers in there it didn't make any sense to me yeah yeah i'm a little disappointed at myself for sharing these two statistics without a take on either because yeah this um obviously mortgage rates massive driver of it but wall street journal just put out a uh a study that showed the increased cost of carrying a home outside of mortgage rate so outside of mortgage rate so looking at things like insurance rates uh general maintenance and repair and how much of those had all gone up and um yeah i i wish that i had something to say here other than i i thought the statistics were were interesting and it it speaks to more you know both pain being put on the consumer as well as from a financial perspective as well as the change in affordability around home ownership okay well having no take on it we're gonna we're gonna move I was just sorry I was just looking for the original set but in there I found we you guys didn't talk about the car getting booted oh okay this is big this is big thank you jules thank you see this is the problem me not being able to go on my phone honey if you went on your phone you would have never come up from it and said the car got booted i know we've had a much a very pleasant episode with limited jules interference do you two have something to talk about for the next 40 i have to pee too and i'm also holding it okay so are we gonna hold through i there's two bathrooms why don't you guys both get up No, we're making no cuts.

57:45I will stay here and talk and then you can go. Okay. How much longer do you think we have? That's what we're not going to do on here. Okay. So we're going to keep going. We're going to keep going. All right. So I got booted. Okay. The car got booted. The car got booted. And basically I parked. I was meeting a friend. When I parked, I was on the phone. I planned on paying for parking. because it felt like a very ticket heavy situation. But because I was on a call, it just by the time I got to the restaurant, it slipped my mind. I was in the restaurant for no more than an hour and a half. I come out, there's a boot and a sticker on and I want to put the sticker up, okay?

58:32Because this company, I'm going to pull up the company now. Because I feel like what happened to me was very, very, very predatory, okay? it's called admiral enforcement immobilization notice and i had to pay 184 dollars and 44 cents i actually believe it was 198 all in with fees to have this boot removed for an hour and a half of parking now the most demoralizing part of the situation is they send you a code to take the boot off of the tire and you have to go then put the boot around like this holder only for them to go and like put that boot on someone else like i wanted so bad just to like take that boot off and throw it and hide it but then they're like we're gonna stick you with another massive fine if you don't return if you don't return the boot so you get a code and you punch the code into the boot yeah and you take it off yourself yes so i unbooted the car i put it back it just felt predatory like to charge you know around 200 charge 200 for like not paying for a parking spot for an hour-ish wait so is this illegal to do well part of why i wanted to talk about it is like i wanted to hear any listener feedback on this company because this company feels like very very very bad news and i don't like to talk negatively about companies and because i generally feel like people are just doing their best but to me these guys felt like they crossed the line on on on being predatory towards towards consumers is there a sign that's like we will boot you if you park here yeah i would love to like drive some accountability to to this company if i could like what can i do as a customer to like go in and fight this do i is there any grounds well my so my question is is this legal are they hired by somebody by the whoever owns the parking lot to just be like boot them and then to but they're making bank yeah if they're making 185 dollars and you were parked there for an hour and a half yeah and like you can't drive and this was just off rainy street so people know i mean that's crazy maybe we should call yeah this is can be a beware of parking in this parking lot i'm gonna i'm gonna pull up the parking lot would that be helpful for people yeah i think so okay um it was the parking lot just off of rainy and driscoll street it looks like it may be called 382 parking there you go yeah and so but so beware if you're parking there you know i'm i'm i'm all good to pay a ticket i'm all good to pay a ticket if i forget to pay for parking this felt too far and the bill felt too much so how do they do that though because um most parking is ran do you get is your ticket from the cops no that's like a private parking lot and then they hired this private company to to do this manage it yeah but i'll play devil's advocate you know they're in a busy area people come and park there they don't get to park there they own the parking lot and they've had it so they start booting you i just want a giant i'm okay being booted i'm not okay for an hour and a half paying two hundred dollars yeah well that was my issue when you have to do the labor of unbooting yourself Correct.

1:02:04But what I want is - It was too much. No, but I want a sign that says, we will boot you within five minutes of you parking here if you park here. I will never park there. But I don't know if it could have been a sign. I just may not have seen that. I mean, you were on the phone, so I'm just going to give you a pass here. But I'm just saying, if you have a sign in front of all of them, it's like, we will seriously boot you. I'm like, I'm actually not kidding. Don't be surprised when you come out to a boot. Then I would, and then the boot's going to cost you$198 after fees. I'm not parking there.

1:02:31that'll solve your problem then you can stop being predatory i'm having if i have a feeling they're enjoying the money they're making which is where it makes me mad because they could be transparent up front um what does one more book really mean before bedtime dr becky wrote a book called one more book um and i was listening to her talk about it and basically when your kid is going to sleep and they start to do the stalling, right? They start to be like, oh, I'm thirsty. Oh, I want to do this. Oh, can I have a snack? Can we read one more book? It's because they know they're about to separate from their parents for the longest period of the day and it scares them and they want certainty.

1:03:15So they start to ask for one more book and basically that's them trying to stay secure and attached to you. So it's actually quite cute. It is very cute. What I read, it's like you have to find the fine line of like hold your boundary, right? Like we can't read 75 more books, but we can explain that it's okay. And this is where bedtime routines come into handy, right? Because there's familiarity, familiarity, and then bedtime, and then they know they wake up, and then they have their routine. Which also, hold on, on this routine thing, I saw on Substack people talking about don't be hard on yourself if your summer is just at home.

1:03:53Like you get online and everyone's like in Europe and they're doing all these things. But if your summer is spent at home in your neighborhood, it's actually one of the better things you can do for your kids because that's where their routine is and that's where they feel safe. Yeah. And I see how much Bubba loves her routine. And funny enough, that's one of the things I'm most excited about Aspen is like she's going with her routine. Like so many of the people that she interacts with on a day to day basis are going to be there. So I've talked all about like Bubba and Wawa in Aspen, like going to the lake together.

1:04:23Oh, and their boots? Like, it will be huge. Big times. Yeah. It's going to be phenomenal. I think it's probably appropriate time for us to do a bedtime routine update. Yeah. Sure. Because we've gotten even more extreme. Okay. On the timing. I mean, we're 45 seconds. She's like, bye. Night-night. We're no routine. We're no routine anymore. We're at 8-ish directionally. Time? The time she goes to bed is 8 p.m. and I what I say is I do you want to describe it or do you want me to describe you describe it we're like just I go down and I say that I'm tired and we did that cute thing where she put Rocky to bed but we've we've graduated since then and she goes and she just I go down and I and if she goes no then I'll like wait three to five minutes and if I go down and I and she like goes nine-night or says like anything or doesn't say anything then we'll go we'll give everyone besos everyone kisses um upstairs little uh brush of the teeth and then um bb pacifier sleep sack in the bed and she says she says she starts waving he says nine-night nine-night sometimes I say I will you.

1:05:47We're like, that's it. So we're kind of in a no routine routine now. So I feel we've gone, we've zigged, there's no books. This isn't a brag, this is just the state of affairs. Of course it's not a brag, you're just updating. I think we've gotten very lucky. I think I'm missing one thing here. That's it. Are you still doing outdoor time before? Doing a lot. We're mainly outside now. around five o 'clock we we're doing something we're outside or we're we're like definitely not in the house just like doing nothing we try to go to the pool or park or yeah some version of getting the zoomies out yeah we're just there's no there's no routine other than like taking her up and saying goodnight to everyone saying na na ask oh sorry i know i forgot something uh all of an i'll ask her saying do you want bb and if i at which is passy and if she says bb another hilarious thing power doesn't know how to say yes so if you ask her if she wants something like do you want bb she'll either say no or bb she says her version of yes is repeating do you want pancakes Pancaka.

1:07:08Then she'll say pancaka or she'll say no, waffle. Or a lot of pollo asking for lately. Yeah. She wants chicken. And so I'll ask if she wants baby. Oh, my new one, avocado. Which she doesn't like, so I don't really understand why she keeps saying it. The word is funny. The word is fun. I know. She likes saying the word too, but she doesn't like avocado. That's what I'm saying. I just think she enjoys the word. Yeah. That's a lot of syllables. That's why I think she enjoys it. Okay. Well, you guys, I feel like we did it. Yeah. thank you all for listening thank you for listening and happy 4th of July week happy 4th of July week and Alex's birthday week that's so nice oh my goodness thanks for listening to another episode of Two Parents and a Podcast powered by Just Media House if you enjoyed the show don't forget to like subscribe comment rate and review stay connected on Instagram TikTok YouTube and Facebook at Two Parents and a Pod welcome to our home sorry it's so messy new episodes Mondays and Thursdays.

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This week on Two Parents & A Podcast, happy Monday!!! We get into a topic I've been thinking about a LOT lately: the postpartum anxiety I'm experiencing the second time around (it's a totally different beast than postpartum depression, AND the anxiety this time is split between two kids…). I share what's actually helping me (s/o to Michelle for the "text me every intrusive thought you have" technique 🥹), and Harrison talks about how he's adapting to support me through it.

Then we get into our FIRST family trip with friends!!! We're going to Aspen for the 4th of July (birthday week + America's 250th!), and we ended up with 4 other couples going (the group is 20+!!!). We get into how we picked Aspen, why a kitchen is non-negotiable when traveling with babies, and why having a bunch of friends with kids the same age as yours is the ULTIMATE travel scenario!! 

Plus, the question that's been on my mind after seeing a viral clip: what ARE non-parents doing between 4 and 8 PM?! (We genuinely cannot remember… Harrison would work late, I would have organized my house??)

OK the other stuff: normalizing breakfast with friends before work, the Canada vs. US mindset around sports, and our updated thoughts on ISR vs. structured swim lessons (we're leaning structured but Harrison is writing his Substack on it!!).

Then lots of fun: WHAT WE'RE WATCHING (I Will Find You on Netflix — a Netflix-y version of All Her Fault!), our next BOOK CLUB pick (Famesick by Lena Dunham!), everything Harrison is learning from Morning Brew (people are spending less on dating and more on houses), and what Alex learned from Dr. Becky about what "just one more book" ACTUALLY means (+ our updated bedtime routine (which is basically… no routine?!)) 

Oh and one NOT fun thing: Harrison's car got BOOTED again (and paid HOW much to get it off?!)

LOVE YOU GUYS!

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00:00:00 Welcome back to Two Parents & A Podcast! 

00:00:18 We need to re-normalize breakfast with friends before work

00:03:08 Canada Day vs. 4th of July 

00:05:40 What are non-parents doing between 4 and 8 PM?!

00:10:09 Our FIRST family trip with friends: Aspen for the 4th of July!!

00:16:52 Canada vs. US mindset around sports

00:26:13 The reality of postpartum anxiety the 2nd time around 

00:34:07 Our updated thoughts on ISR vs. structured swim lessons

00:40:15 WHAT WE'RE WATCHING: I Will Find You on Netflix

00:41:26 BOOK CLUB UPDATE: We're reading Famesick by Lena Dunham next!

00:45:07 THINGS WE DMED: A Swedish minister brought her baby to an EU meeting

00:48:32 IN THE COMMENTS: Best toddler-friendly iPad games for travel

00:51:35 HARRISON’S MORNING BREW: 51% of 18-29 year olds spent $0 on dates this year?!

00:54:25 HARRISON’S MORNING BREW: Homeownership has gotten SO expensive (same payment now gets you $385K vs. $500K!)

00:56:05 Our car got BOOTED in Austin (Is this company PREDATORY?! )

01:01:45 What "just one more book!" ACTUALLY means (+ our updated bedtime routine!)

01:06:33 LOVE YOU GUYS!

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