The Future of Education: AI-driven learning, personalized education & building life skills early

28:22Okay. Well, that's an interesting example. And we actually teach this. It's rejection training. We teach it kind of early on. So for example, our third and fourth graders will dive into a topic that they're interested in. Let's say it's marine biology. They're interested in the ocean. And we encourage them to go and learn everything they can about this topic and then find 50 experts in the field and reach out to them. So they have to learn how to write a professional email that would maybe interest this person. So, hi, so-and-so, I read your book about marine biology and I found this really interesting and I had a question about these things and they sent it out to 50 people.

29:06Well, out of 50 people, maybe three people will respond, but we're teaching kids that skill of one, being able to go research and find experts in your field and then reach out. One of the things we find is that successful adults love helping ambitious young people. And so that's a skill that they're learning. And if you're going to be building anything, whether it's a business or a product or you're doing research, you're going to have to get used to being rejected. But more importantly, you have to get used to putting yourself out there. Right. I'm sure you, when you were starting podcasts, would ask for guests and you're like, there's no way this person's ever going to come on.

29:43Right. Totally. You'd email 50 guests and you get one person who says yes to you. But that's where you have to start. And so we want kids to start practicing that. Here's another one that's really important. Giving and receiving feedback. How do you give and receive feedback in a way that's constructive, helpful, supportive, and critical, you know, and is able to help? Or here's another one. Both sides. This is something that we have and this is something parents can totally do at home. So we'll start this with our kindergartners and we'll say, okay, kindergartners come up with something that you are passionately advocating for and get ready.

30:19Are you guys ready for this? It's pretty serious stuff. Okay. Why should I have a later bedtime? I should have a later bedtime. And then what they do is they will come up with a presentation that goes into an argument for here's all the reasons I believe I should have a later bedtime, which, by the way, you can help them use tools like Canva to create their PowerPoint presentation on that. They present that to their parents. Then we say, now you have to come up with a presentation that argues why you shouldn't have a later bedtime, why you shouldn't. And then we use both parents will grade this and we'll actually run it into an AI tool to say, did you put your all into both sides of the argument?

31:03And what a skill that would be. Think how many adults could benefit from being able to, you know, rationally and passionately advocate for multiple sides of any topic. That's stuff you can teach to a five-year-old. Are you looking for something simple and delicious to add into your wellness routine? Well, you guys, I used to put regular honey into my coffee, but I have switched to Manukura honey, which is rich, creamy, and the most delicious honey I have ever had. It's ethically produced by Manukura's master beekeepers in the remote forests of New Zealand. Manukura honey contains powerful nutrients to support immunity and gut health, you guys.

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32:27That's ManuKora, M-A-N-U-K-O-R-A dot com slash two parents for$150 off your starter kit. I think what's so amazing is how many of these practices can be implemented across the board, right? Like they are available to everyone. I think what, though, is lacking is the kind of guidance on, okay, what do you do? How do you come up with the idea? When is the time right? And so you've obviously given some amazing examples right now, but are there any tools out there that could give parents a general framework of, okay, if your kid is 10 years old, here's a great thing for them to be doing, or 11 or 12 and so on and so forth?

33:14Yeah. That's one of the things we've spent a lot of time doing because, again, I think so much of the magic of our school day is in our afternoons where we're doing these workshops and teaching these life skills. And so we have examples of like what does financial literacy look like for a five-year-old versus a fifth grader versus a high school student? Like what does that look like? And those are things that can be built at home too. So one of the things that we do at our schools that's very controversial, we pay students for hitting their academic goals. What? Yeah. Did you know that? We have a school currency.

33:48No. Kids can earn alpha bucks when they hit their goals. So they learn to earn. They also then can spend. We have a school emporium where they can spend on that. They learn to save because some things they want to buy might take 200 alphas versus five alphas. Are they digital currencies? So we have the ability to do that too. We've got coins, but then they have a credit card system too. And I got to tell you a story about that. We had a five-year-old boy last year, and he decided with his credit card that there were two toys in the Emporium that he wanted for Christmas. He didn't have enough alpha bucks to pay for those, but he did have a credit card.

34:27And he was like, I'm going to buy these toys. And his guide, it's basically his teacher, we call it. We call our teacher's guides. But his guide sat down with him and was like, okay, just so you understand, you know, you're going to go into debt. You're going to have to put this on your credit card. And he looked at this guy dead in the eye and he said, but it's Christmas. Oh, you guys ever been in that situation? Yes. That's so cute. So he bought these toys. Christmas came and went. And as we're all used to, sometimes that post-holiday reality kicks in. pretty soon it's January and this kid's staring a 15 % interest rate on his credit card.

35:05And his parents were like, oh my gosh, he's going to be so like frustrated and he's going to be trying to work his way out of debt. He's not going to be able to spend any alphas because he's going to be paying off this credit card. And our guide said, hey, you know, don't worry. We are a super high support culture where we're really like, we're coming alongside learning. Well, on the last day of January, this little boy was able to pay off the final amount of his credit card debt, and everyone cheered for him. His class was like so excited. You know, they were good. And I'll tell you what, how cool is it to learn a lesson like that at age five and not age 25?

35:41In my jaws on the floor. Incredible. Yeah, the amount of friends I still have, you know, today figuring out the interest on credit cards or the debt or what it means, you know, so how to do that. So getting back to it, Harrison, like you can sit down and think about, okay, what is the financial literacy we want to teach, you know, for a five-year-old? And also, by the way, we teach them to donate, you know, and save and invest. Those are all skills that you can do. And you can do those with like random chores around the house, right? Or getting their homework done, you know, like, you know, doing well in school.

36:15I actually, I don't love the idea of paying for grades because I think grades have become kind of meaningless. But I do like paying for effort that results in good things happening. They've learned something. But there's so many ways you can do that and then teach kids to kind of build on there. And we have something else at Alpha that a lot of parents I talk to have adopted at home. It's called a check chart. And it's basically a list of different life skills things. So, for example, our fifth and sixth graders have to know how to change a tire as part of this check chart. They have to, you know, have basically been able to go and do a lot of different kind of examples of grit.

36:53We have one where you have to be able to solve a Rubik's Cube. You have to be able to run a mile. And you have to be able to juggle three items for 30 seconds. It's like a grit triathlon is what we call that. And there's so many fun things that you can plan for your kids. And by the way, when you're asking about the framework, you know what's really good at that? ChatGPT. You can go into ChatGPT and be like, hey, come up with some things that would teach these life skills that would be fun challenges for a kid to be able to practice and work on. And one of the other things I really believe about kids is fundamentally everybody loves to learn.

37:29They may not all love learning science or math or how to diagram a sentence, but they love learning something. and the key is find that thing that your kid gets interested and excited about and help them explore to find that and then go deeper in this and ultimately I think that's what I care about with my own two girls and with the students that we're serving is help them find that interest and that passion that gets them excited when they get up every day and they're like I'm ready to take this on even when it's hard, even when I fail, even when I have a challenge, I still am like excited about what it is that I'm doing versus just kind of like I get up every day and I just show up and I do what I'm supposed to do.

38:11And maybe school isn't providing that experience for your kid, but there's things you can do at home to help with it. Wow. Change attire, juggle, Rubik's cube. I can't do those, but I could run the mile. Yeah. So the focus on life skills is like really what is music to my ears and I felt like what lacked in my education experience growing up and I think most. And I do really love what you're doing. But what keeps – and to me, it just makes all the sense in the world. But what I keep coming back to is like, well, this just isn't what most schools can do. And so what's your long-term vision or hopes or goals for the U.S.

39:04education system? And do you think we can get there? And how can these alternative ways of spending your days be accessible to everyone? Yeah. When I started the first school many years ago, I started it because I wanted to help my own two daughters. but it has become so much bigger than that now. I really believe that we're going to get to the point where we're going to help a billion kids around the world. And scalability is really important, but accessibility is important. Like how do you make sure this can be accessible for everybody, not just kids who can afford to go to one of our alpha schools or who happen to live in a city where there is an alpha?

39:46How do you make it for everyone? And so there's a bunch of things that we are doing to try to help with that. One is we're building a lot of different types of schools at different tuition price points. And especially in states where they've implemented education savings accounts, like in Texas, where we all live, starting next year, kids will be able to go to some of our schools for as little as$5 ,000 a year, which makes it dramatically more accessible. Now, there's people who still would say, I can't afford$5 ,000 a year either. We've got to get this in a public system. And there's some progress that we are making where we've had some public schools reach out to us to say, hey, we want to try this.

40:27We want to pilot it in our school system. So I think that is something that's going to get there. The other thing is there's a lot of other school models that are starting to pop up that are saying, hey, we can do something similar. I think it's going to be a while before the public system as an overall institution says, hey, let's do this. But I think schools should offer a lot of options for kids to find that model that a family likes. And so what I can see happening is in the public system, there'll be the ability to opt in to this type of learning. And so if you're a family who says, you know what, no, I fundamentally believe the best way for my kids to learn is with a teacher teaching in front of the classroom.

41:09Those schools are always going to be around. But if you're someone who says, you know what, I think it would be great to try this more tutoring experience and do that, I think those are going to become available too. The other thing that we're doing that's actually pretty amazing, we are actually working with a video game company to build a video game on top of our learning platform. And that video game is going to be free to play for anybody around the world. And we believe it's going to help kids get to the 90th percentile or above in their academics all while playing a video game. And so when we talked about screen time, sometimes all screen time is not equal.

41:50Video gaming can be a waste of time. We are working to create a video game that is not, that will actually help kids learn like crazy. Unbelievable. Unbelievable. I love the difference in screen time. Like we're very anti-Coco Melon. Like poor Coco Melon takes a lot of ricochet shots on this podcast because we saw how she or how they, when they were creating it, put a bunch of different – they put kids in front of – they put 100 kids in front of two screens. One was a mom doing just mundane house chores and the other was a Cocoa Melon episode. And anytime somebody looked away, they marked that part of the episode and went back and added more lights.

42:23Oh, my goodness. So it's very addictive. And so that's what we started talking about. But then people say, no, but there is there is good screen time. We can't make screens the enemy. And so I love I really love this point that you're making. We were you know, I was a I was a screen free house for my kids, too. Even while my kids were doing their academics on screens. It was like outside of that we weren't. But here's another example of a life skill that I think is so important. And this really starts kicking in in middle school. In middle school, you guys remember what it was like. It's awkward.

42:53You're trying to figure out where you fit in. You start wanting to like find your group and be a part of it. And what happens a lot of times in that stage is middle school students will tend to become consumers. And what we want to create instead is creators and contributors. so instead of becoming addicted to watching tiktok or playing video games how about you learn that you're going to build your own tiktok you know channel that's going to go spread a positive message out in that universe or instead of playing a video game you're coding and building your own video game and then shoutcasting and hosting live tournaments and practicing public speaking skills there are so many things and i i think kids want to become creators they just aren't often given a clear understanding or path of how they can do that.

43:39So they fall into consumer mode. And that's one of the things that we create at Alpha. And I think it's something parents can do at home as well. Hey, if you're super obsessed with Fortnite, and you're playing Fortnite all the time, let's learn what is it that you're interested? What's fascinating to you? And then let's figure out maybe you could like learn to vibe code, which by the way, is so much easier now with AI, you know, go vibe code and build your own video game or host a tournament and plan an event around that. There's so many different cool life skills that can be learned by giving kids opportunities to take a passion they have and then grow from there.

44:11Yeah. And I think that that really does land. And that is what has changed today versus 10 years ago is like now the parents, we do have the tools at home. And so we can implement a lot of these, a lot of these ideas. And it, as you spoke to before, it all can start with chat, where if you don't know what app to go to chat can refer you to to that app or it can it can give you the um the the different ideas um what another thing that like popped into my head was no one ever you asked me earlier in this podcast like why didn't you like school i've never been asked that question like i talked about you know i've i've i struggled with school for however many years but no one ever asked why and because at that point, you really couldn't change anything.

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47:21And at the end of the day, one of our guides sat down with her and said, so what are you passionate about? And she just looked blankly and she's like, I'm in eighth grade and no one's ever asked me that question. And she said, and I realized I get up every day. I go to school. I go to tennis. I come home. I do homework. I go to bed and I repeat. I don't even know what it is I'm passionate about. and we had a student as well at the beginning of freshman year. We do this exercise and this is, by the way, another thing parents can totally do at home. It's called 168 hours. The reason it's 168 hours, there's 168 hours in a week and we have kids chart how they spend every hour of their week.

47:57How is it that they spend their time? So this girl comes back at the end of her exercise and she says, well, I've got bad news for you guys. I'm basically going to be the world's best TikTok scroller because that's what I spend my time doing and I also like think about boys a lot. You know, she's like an honest 14 year old, right? I love it, I love it. She's like, I think about boys and I TikTok. Well, our guide, instead of saying, hey, get your mind out of the gutter. These 14 year old boys are not like fully baked yet. You need to work on other things. We said, okay, how can we take that interest that you have and do something different?

48:27So three years later, that student has created a large TikTok audience. She's got a few hundred thousand people that she has also built a chat bot that gives teen dating advice that has been vetted through researchers and psychologists and all that. She's also done research to see if her advice that she gives through her GPT is better than a licensed counselor's advice or a suburban mom's advice. Suburban mom. And guess who did the worst in those things? A counselor. Nope, the suburban mom. And you know why? Here's the reason why. because let's say your 15 year old daughter comes home to you and she's like mom um he left me on unopened uh and it's been two hours and i saw that he was and and here here's me i'm like sorry what's unopened mean exactly like what is this um he didn't snap or he snapped but it was only part of his face and yesterday he had actually texted hi and you're like this is all so dumb i don't even know what to tell you right right and guess what that's not good advice right like how do you actually connect with a kid and so now she's done research and has submitted that research to the number one science journal in the world it's called nature they took a kid who is interested in tick-tock and boys and has created this incredible movement around actually help helping make teen dating healthier you guys should have her on your podcast I'll connect you crazy yeah you totally should she has some insane data like one of them is like you You know, more than half of boys age 18 to 24 have never asked a girl out on a date.

50:0618 to 24? 18 to 24. You got to work on that, Harrison. That is a problem. I literally just sent this stat into the things we DMed. That? The lack of guys asking girls out for dates. And that statistic above, you said it was 18 to 24? 18 to 24. Yeah. I think I sent that exact statistic. What I love about this is, well, number one, from a social media standpoint, the way that she's approaching things differently is the way it has to be done. Like if you get on and do what everybody else is doing, now you fall to the wayside because it's saturated. And I think that's important. But I love that what you're talking about is things kids love doing anyways.

50:43Just taking real life things that kids are going to want to grow up and be and making it accessible and making it interesting. Make it productive. Yeah, make it productive. And you know, this was another example. And this is a conversation that parents probably have all the time with their kids. My daughter Sloan, when she was 13, she came to me and she's like, mom, please let me be on TikTok. And I was like, no, TikTok's bad. I've read all the things. We're not doing that. Please, please, please. Well, we had a lot of conversations about it. One of the things that I said is if you are on TikTok, first of all, you need to understand what you're putting in your brain and what you're like reading and absorbing.

51:18You need to be thoughtful about that. You also should think about how you can be a creator and a contributor, not just a consumer. and what are you putting out? Well, she joined when she was a freshman in high school. She's now a senior. She's got two and a half million followers. Wow. And she gives out basically what I would call kind of like strong empowerment advice that it's not about your looks. It's not about where you're at. You can be a good kid and do things. And she has built up this, really, if I say so myself, an incredible following that's helping young girls feel strong. The other thing she's done is she has created like basically like a Y Combinator for other teen influencers.

51:59So, for example, she's just helped launch an app for a girl who does curly hair stuff. And so basically this girl who's the other influencer, instead of just like having to hawk hair products on her TikTok videos, she is now becoming a business owner by building this app with my daughter that's going to help and kind of extend that and turn it into a business. There are so many things that you can do where you take a kid's interest and then just help them figure out how they can widen that into something productive. So I think that's always – a lot of times parents will ask advice on things of like what can we do to help our kids with this?

52:36And I would say don't poo-poo their interests. Find what they're interested in and then help them develop that into something more, into more than just an idea or a waste of time, something that's productive and useful. and it can be anything. But also where you kind of play the trump card here is a lot of kids are going to come home because TikTok is the thing. So a lot of kids are coming home right now and they're saying, hey, mom, dad, I want to get on TikTok. And their parents are saying what you said initially, no. And they want to get on it anyways, they're going to get on it anyways. But for you to sit here and say your daughter is on it, but doing impactful things, empowering things.

53:13And there is that side of TikTok. TikTok helps me all the time with motherhood. I learn a lot from it. You know, it kind of can be what you make it. And of course, there's the risks and concerns. But as with anything, there's the same thing walking down the street, right? So I love that you're taking things and you're making them productive. Interests. Social media is a tool. It's a tool. And by the way, it's going to be there. There's no way around it. What we need to do is we need to equip our kids to know how to use these tools for their benefit and not as crutches. And that's true with AI.

53:40That's true with social media. It's true with so many things that we do. And again, it gets back to that idea of giving kids the skill of learning how to learn and go become experts and really self-driven learners. And that's the magical thing. And that can take that kid who sits in a school all day long where maybe they are bored, but they've got something that they can get excited about and, you know, and pursue. I think that at the end of the day, as parents, that's what we want our kids to have like an interest and a desire and a passion and engagement. And again, I think there's so many ways that you can help foster, foster that in kids, even if it doesn't show up in their, you know, sixth grade math class.

54:23Totally. I think that this is, I thought we would have a good conversation, but you've given us a lot of things people can do at home. It makes me excited to parent now because I did find, I found social media to be daunting. I found education to be scary. Like I do think that, I think Alpha School is at a really interesting time where parents feel confused and lost, a little hopeless, but the thing that all parents that I talk to have in common is we're interested. Even with vaccines, people are asking questions, right? We see it all the time when it comes to breast milk force formula. People are curious.

54:59Dads are more involved than ever. This is such a trend that we're seeing people wanting to do things differently and do things more purposeful. And I think you're very much on the forefront. And I'll give you one last example. We had a student who, as a junior in high school, she got interested in cancer because her grandfather died of cancer. So she got interested in understanding what's going on with that. I think if she'd been at a traditional school, somebody would have said, well, you should go and become a doctor. You should go to medical school at some point. You can study cancer. And maybe she wouldn't have gotten a five on her AP bio test.

55:34And so she would have been like, I guess I'm not a science person. I shouldn't do this. Well, instead, her guide said, why don't you go and learn everything you can learn? Go down what we call a rabbit hole. They'll spend two weeks just learning everything they can about something. So she starts learning and researching. And then she opened an X account. And she started following experts in cancer and kind of learning about this. And then she would post like, oh, I read this journal article. I actually put it through ChachiBT to explain it to me like I was a 16-year-old kid, which she was. Here's what I found.

56:04Eventually, she started kind of getting down the road of epigenetics, which is that maybe your environmental factors, your food you eat, things like that could have something to do with cancer. She continued researching. She started interviewing experts. She eventually built out a documentary where she filmed and edited and interviewed and all of that. In the meantime, she had started building up this audience on X where she was talking about epigenetics and cancer and things like that. By the time she released her documentary as a senior in high school, she had over 2 million views within 48 hours because she built an audience.

56:41And again, that was just saying, hey, as a 16-year-old, you can be interested in something and go deep into it and end up creating a film, which again, this is stuff that a kid could do at home, you know, outside of school. Instead of saying, you have to wait until you've graduated from medical school to go learn about cancer. No, you can start that right now. That documentary has now been seen over six million times. And that student has gone on to change laws in multiple states around the kind of food that's being served in cafeterias and schools. You know, what's enabled. And she's had a huge impact.

57:17And she did it as an 18-year-old. Wow. Yeah. No, it's amazing. And it's just like the opposite of the box that I grew up in with my high school. And I went to a private school as well. And we were told or we were guided to, like, you're going to be a doctor, you're going to be a lawyer, like cure the four or five different career buckets and just little to no focus on the personal development and the personal interest of the student. And so it's so amazing that you're doing that and you're having the success that you are and the longer-term mission of making it more accessible but also providing the tools for parents to do this outside of the classroom, wherever your kid goes to school.

58:14So I have maybe a random question, but this concept of two plus six learning, so two hours of advanced academic learning, followed by six hours of life skill development. Do you think this would be possible without AI? I don't think it is done as well without AI. What AI has helped us do is make sure the kids are really learning well and efficiently. When I started the first school back in 2014, we were using apps to do the learning. So that was true. We didn't have the AI component. What happened is in 2022, when AI came out, we were really able to take that and supercharge our results. And that's why our classes are top 1 % in the country in all grades and all subject levels.

59:02And so I do think there's a way to absolutely do this at home. If you're trying to do this as a homeschool parent, there are ways to do it. AI has just made it kind of that much better and easier. And the other thing is if you're on social media, we have Future of Education. We're always giving examples of some of the things that kids are able to do. Oh, that's good. So yeah, go check out Future of Education on Instagram. Is there a the or no? No, it's just future of education. And yeah, it's fun. We just got a million followers like a month ago. And who would have thought like education, but I think education is the most important thing that everybody should care about, whether you're a parent or not.

59:45It is absolutely key to like the wellness of society. And there's a lot of exciting things happening in education. So it's fun to be on this ride. It's yeah, it's our future. And so it's incredible. You're the first. You make education feel optimistic. So thank you for that. I think a lot of people will listen to this and feel, I'm like, okay, I'm excited. I feel empowered. You know, being a parent is hard, right? We have so much we have to manage. Like just getting through the day sometimes is a challenge. But what I've tried to do is help give parents some resources and some ideas. I have a website called thefutureofeducation.org.

1:00:22If you go on that website, you can download free resources that give everything from here's some AI tools that we recommend. Here's different apps that are great. The other thing it allows is information that you can send to your school administration and to your state and local government to say, hey, let's look into this style of education. Let's understand where technology and AI can be helpful for providing more personalized learning. Amazing. Both free. Again, there's never been a more exciting time to be a five-year-old. So lucky future baby and lucky Tate. It's going to be awesome. And so, yeah, there's just so much cool stuff happening.

1:01:01And these next 10 years in education are going to be wildly awesome. Thank you very much for coming. For us, as we are already thinking about education, even though our daughter is very young, it's great to know there are people that are doing it so differently and really speaking to a lot of the pain points that at least I personally experienced growing up. It's been great to meet, you know, parents like you guys who are just like, I know education can be better. It doesn't have to be like, you know, just the same as when we grew up. So love it. Thanks for having me, guys. Thank you so much. You're awesome parents.

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