Video games after kids, toddler gymnastics & when does summer ACTUALLY end?!

19:37Keep going. Not just for him. Come on. Yeah, I think that in the responsibilities of family, your romantic life, work, I don't see where there's time to -

19:52Jules:There's some time - Where you can spend significant time gaming. Significant. Yes. Now - And to the point, and I love it. Every time I hit that button now, which is a rarity, there is a sense of guilt. there is a sense of guilt of is this the best use of my time because the answer is generally no yeah and so when when do i think it's the right time to game it's when no one else is in the house or when everyone is asleep when everyone's asleep i love doing it when everyone's asleep i just was saying on the hierarchy of things we cannot say that gaming is going to be like high up there but neither is sitting and scrolling on your cell phone but like to me it's like i don't think so when when can you hit that button all right when yes the kids are fully taken care of and asleep when your partner is fully taken care of asleep when you've made sure that you've got through all the meaningful tasks of your day from you know can't game if you haven't worked out can't game if you're behind on work emails so it's just it's it's hard to find that time and i and i love it more than anyone but that's just the reality of growing up and being a dad so there's like two general themes to react to from the comments is like one why am i not allowed to come home and decompress after work okay fine fine you you can come home and decompress after work but i assume by doing that like can i offer up an alternative like go outside with your kids i don't yeah that helps everyone i don't think that like i'm just trying to think of like sorry no it's just like then i don't know i don't know the dynamic there but if you've got your kids like then does your wife just have the kids and then i don't know that's an opportunity for family time like it would be cool if you could decompress all together like i don't find being with tate and rocky to be like the opposite of compressing like i am if we go outside and we're swimming and we're walking and things like that like but if you want to decompress with alone time yeah it's for something as non-productive as gaming it's gonna need to be when everyone's asleep and then the other question is what if you're doing it with your kids

22:16uh don't have a view on this yet because inherently our kids are gonna play video games but what's the right like what's the right time to introduce them to it our kids are young like it feels like one of those social media things where it there's probably a lot of data which shows you know started at 16 or started at 14 and you're 12 or whatever it is so i just haven't looked at that yet and do you got this is me do you guys think that video games are coco melon

22:40Jules:for adults yes 100 aren't they they're proven to be addictive no yeah i mean that's why they are yeah yeah so what's mind-boggling and part of like the the the delay in everything i'm saying right now is like I can't believe any of this is controversial oh yeah I can't believe this like I feel like I often have a good sense of of this type of thing and I would have thought that like I it's the most controversial thing we've said in a while is is what my read from our socials is well welcome to the internet yeah that's the reality growing up There's no time for gaming if your family is not asleep or you are not at home by yourself for whatever reason.

23:32But I was saying, too, you can block out your time.

23:37Jules:I just want to game today. I was going to go to dinner with the boys and said we're going to game. I don't know. Do your thing. It's not very high up on the list. Oh, this is my question to you. This is my question. This is my question. let's say every saturday every twice twice a month on saturdays your husband goes and golfs yes okay what's the difference to you between that and let's say they game all day i mean i have i can almost laugh i can almost laugh just saying it but i guess amount of hours four hours and four hours yep so give me your take i think golfing is inherently more productive than gaming.

24:14That's what I thought too. One, you're outside and you're forming in real life connections. Two, I think that golf is also a sensitive topic on time allocation.

24:28Jules:But we're all give golf points. Like when I golf, which I do think there's time and a place for golf, you need a golf at a time that works for the whole family. But let's take it to the dopamine level. golf will do a real sense of dopamine whereas when you're scrolling on tiktok and instagram we've learned that's a false sense of dopamine is that the same with gaming can you google that like i'd assume so golfing is you're interacting with people you're doing more physical activity you're outside you're in nature i'm not i'm not golfing on a saturday morning when you're just at home with the kids right correct i'm golfing when you say hey like i'm taking the kids to the thinkery with Emma and Right.

25:12Jules:Right, right, right, right. That works. Yeah, if I'm going with the girl. A lot of times we'll do just mom-daughter or mom-kid dates. And that's why I don't play a lot of golf. It's not a false sense of dopamine. It's real dopamine, but it's unnatural levels that the brain wasn't built to handle. That's gnarly. That's interesting. Games are engineered for this. okay can you can you ask it now um what is another example of something that does this to the brain why like what i'm i'm just trying to get a sense of why i i view it as as kind of a a step below in use of time i guess it makes sense other things that hit like gaming does social media slot machines ultra processed food online shopping i mean come on dating apps yeah that's a nar okay and that to me is why i classify it as like my my my number one point on this is like it just cannot supersede other things it's like screen time for kids you have to go it cannot be above going outside it cannot be above social interaction fine if all of that's done if work's done if everything's done and everyone's asleep do your thing 21 go do it like and i think back to the point on decompressing if it's actually not if i have if i have a knit it but if that is decompressing for you because i actually do find it i i'm gonna kind of fight that a bit i find it very relaxing you as a parent largely you can't really decompress when you get home from work you gotta wait you gotta wait till bedtime i mean we do joke like you go home when you're on You take your work hat off and your parent hat on.

26:55Jules:I got to fight you on this. Do people think sitting in bed on social media for 30 minutes to an hour is decompressing? It's not. Like we have to understand the way to decompress. You turn your phone over and you either read or you close your eyes. That's the only way to actually decompress. And what we just learned, gaming's actually, I know you think it's decompressing you, but it's not. Okay. Yeah. It's not because it's fine. Maybe it's decompressing, but it's actually not decompressing the brain. I wonder if there's going to be any comments that make me change my perspective. We'd love to change our perspective.

27:25Jules:Please let us know. But I just, I don't see it. If someone wanted to comment something nicely to change my perspective, that would be great. Well, that's where people miss the mark on social media is your message is only as loud as it can be heard, which is why we happily took Tate's pacifier, but only when somebody said it nicely. So if you're going to comment something mean, I'm not, I don't care. I'll read it, but it's not going to change my mind. So there. And that's that on that. and um yeah we welcome your comments but if you want to comment on youtube or something and explain to us why you think gaming is decompressing or a good thing we'll read it you guys know harrison and i love doing things differently so when it comes to teaching your kids about money someday i already know we're not going to do it the traditional way and that's why i love what cash app is doing cash app now offers managed accounts for kids ages 6 to 12 with no hidden fees and no minimum balance.

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30:08Jules:And Harrison initially was like, why'd you pick for Saturday morning? And I was like, because that's when we can go. Like, that's the only time that actually works. And so we had the first class and we went. Was it 8.45? It was 8.45. Okay, that was a little later. No, it was 8.45 to 9.35. And Harrison was like, not, he was like, I'm going to leave this to you. You know, I'll stay home with Rocky. You take Tate. Well, anyways, we ended up all going. And I looked over about 10 minutes in. And Harrison was jumping, doing the jumps, jumping on the trampoline, on the bars, doing the balance beam. It was the cutest thing I'd ever seen.

30:43It was a phenomenal activity. Loved it. Couldn't believe. It's just, it's so interactive. And at least at that age, they're so dependent on, it's really nice to be able to show her something and then have her go and do it. and so you know whether that was hanging on the the bars or the ring her hanging on the rings was by far the cutest thing I saw her do yeah yeah and or air or airplane arms on the balance beam airplane arms on the balance beam holding the bar and climbing up the wall and it was it was just it was genuinely a lot of fun to watch her show those that physical development in real time and on the time initially when I when because I think like booking gymnastics Saturday 8 45 a.m.

31:34was there was some sticker shock to that Saturday morning activities on the schedule huge fan of you're up at seven yes and you know that is often the dead zone of time you always need something to do we go to brunch afterwards yeah and so I think that's going to be a really good really really good setup of our Saturdays from gymnastics to the coffee shop slash brunch to nap time. Yeah. And then boom, hit the pool in the afternoon. And there's like a really fun Saturday. Exactly. Has she made any progress on the somersault? Oh my gosh.

32:11Jules:It's so cute. I don't know what to do. I haven't somersaulted with her. My neck hurts. You have or haven't? Have not. I've seen her do it, but like I haven't got her in the mix on it. I'll work with her on Saturday. We fall sideways and we fall sideways and we fall sideways. It's so cute. I don't know what to do with myself. This morning, the new thing we learned in the book, chop wood. And we did the chop and she was just walking around chopping wood. And I'm just like, I'm obsessed with you in this age. Bubber's also very fast. Bubber's quick. She's watching her just scamper across the gymnastics floor.

32:44It's a little speedster.

32:47Jules:I'm just, it's really. Her little legs. The fact that we're going to be out of town and miss gymnastics, like she's still gonna go because I hope your mom will take her. Oh, she for sure will. I'm so, I can't, I just, yeah, I want to eat her. I want to chop her up and I just love her so much. That's another thing on the internet. It's like, what do you mean eat her? And all the, like non, people that don't have kids are like, what do you mean? And all the parents are like, you don't get it till you have one. Cuteness aggression. Exactly, it's preciousness. So we also had a birthday party at this, the gymnastics place.

33:19Jules:And it was a three-year-old birthday party. And what we learned with Tate's birthday coming up is like when they're two, they don't understand that they're having a birthday yet. So the first birthday party is for the parents and the second birthday party is for the parents. The third birthday party, three-year-olds, because it was a three-year-old's birthday, it was the cutest thing ever. Three-year-olds understand it's their birthday. Yeah, and all the kids there understood they were there for a birthday party. It was a birthday party. So what I've realized is we're going to get two birthdays per kid that are for us.

33:47Jules:and that's probably going to be what solidifies that we're going to have a party for tate okay i've really been like having a hard time i've been trying to decide like do we just do family pizza night and like make that her birthday or do we do something else and you know what age like second one shoot because it's not like tate won't like it it will be for her it's going to be literally all her friends will be there she'll have a blast but she's not gonna understand it's clock she's not gonna understand it's her birthday but she has been to a lot of birthdays where she's seen cakes delivered to the kids and they blow out the candles.

34:18Jules:I do think it'll be, she'll be like for me, for Tate, for Tate, this one's for Tate and it'll be the cutest thing ever. But she got a cupcake at this birthday party and it was pretty cute. Like she just sort of ate some of the icing and then all done. I didn't tell you she got two popsicles yesterday, back to back. Yep. Because we live in a very communal area. Obviously we talk about that a lot. It's front porch culture what we did on the side of our fence was we made it a four foot fence so people in the neighborhood could still see that we were back there swimming she got one popsicle because diana had a popsicle and she's like for tate and i was like you know what we're outside it's summer give her one and then kiki came over she was like tate i got popsicles they can't say no so i was like come on in we had back to back popsicles for bubber it was a big big day she's loving popsicles She was having so much fun.

35:12Jules:She was walking around saying popsicle. It's a really good word. It's a really, whoever came up with the word on popsicle. Fun. But I was just looking at her, Harrison. Hold on. We got to do this real time. What? Don't you be Googling naturals. How did they come up with the word popsicle? Okay. I'm thinking it's a play on icicle. Soda pop. They froze soda pop. and we call soda pop in Canada or soda pop here, I guess. So popsicle. We've heard of the word pop, yes. No, no, no, no. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. In Cleveland it's pop. Yes. I think they were between. That's not known that some people call soda pop.

35:56What?

35:57Jules:Yes, it is. Of course, also soda pop. No, when I came to the US and I was calling soda pop in New York, people were like, what's pop? I actually agree with that. I agree with that. Everyone knows that there's three options in the U.S. No, I think. Soda, pop, or cola to mean anything. Oh, I think Coke. I think that the people who. I think the people that called it pop growing up know it's called pop. But like, yeah, when I got to New York, people. You think the most largely renowned word in America is soda? Yeah, I think soda is the base rate. What year was that? that it got to new york 2010 yeah okay it's 2026 and the internet exists all right everyone knows boomer like right sooner everyone in the year 2026 knows that people call it soda or pop okay all right i didn't know i assume they are between popsicle and soda sickle everyone knows that but I didn't.

37:01Do we think icicle was the word?

37:05Jules:I'll have to find out. I think my pop is, I'm hoping it's true. Pop and icicle. What did you think? Pop. But pop and? Well, I'm not so sure. Probably icicle, yeah.

37:23Because it's a really good word. So. Oh boy. For kids. Who do you think invented the popsicle? A woman. No. Okay, who? But not a man either. A company? No. Okay, don't tell us. It's not an animal. How about a young boy? Oh, an 11-year-old adorable named Frank Epperson. And he originally called it the Epsicle, which is a combination of his last name, Epperson, and... Sickle. Icicle. Icicle. Okay, correct. Good. He later patented it and by then his own kids were begging for Pops, P-O-P apostrophe S, like Papa, Pops. Pops is sickles. Wow, for like a dad. No way! And he officially rebranded it the Popsicle.

38:18Okay. I'm so glad we checked. Yeah, I'm really glad we went down that rabbit hole.

38:23Jules:It's like gonna reframe how I'm looking at it. That's so cute. Yeah. Thank you, Frank. Thank you, Frank. It is very cute. Now, okay, hold on. What did Frank do with this? Because this is very, Popsicle has become, it's like Chapstick. Yeah, like Kleenex. Exactly. What's the word for that? A verb? Kind of? Yeah. I'm not sure. I know the word you're looking for, but I can't pull it up. Like I'm going to Venmo them, which could mean Zelle, but you're just going to say Venmo. but I thought other brands could write Popsicle on a box that's what I'm saying they can those are called generous but you can't write Kleenex on another box true Kleenex has a patent what does Good Pops write on theirs Good Pops are our favorite

39:16Good Pops is Austin Company

39:24they're really good they taste good great it doesn't say popsicle on the cover interesting um popsicle is a trademarked word owned by unilever currently okay so unilever bought either that guy's brand or um business or whatever but how much did frank make i don't know

39:44Jules:And this was in the 1800s? No, the 1980s, I think. What was in the 1800s? Wait, hold on, hold on. 1905, he was. The 1800s was something we were talking about earlier, which was... Labor Day. Yes, correct. Correct, correct. Good job, Jules. Okay. Okay, so this was only... So do you think Frank's still alive? No, Frank... That was 1905. that Frank was 11. Oh, okay. Well, RIP Frank. And I hope like, what's going on with this family? I don't know. I hope they got their bag. I hope so too. Love this. Love this for them. Okay, so Popsicle has a whole new meeting. You guys know we have the neighbors over for dinner at least once a week, which means two running toddlers, one crawling baby, one rolling baby, and four adults just trying to keep up.

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41:49Jules:That's T U M B L E living.com forward slash two parents. After you purchase, they're going to ask you where you heard about them. Please support our show and tell them that we sent you. Um, all right, let's discuss some etiquette things. Random house etiquette question that I'd love to hear your take on. If you're going to a party at someone's house and when you arrive, there are already several cars there. Do you knock before entering or do you just walk in? My friend group is torn on this. This is, this is a very, very easy one. Do you want to go? Go ahead. After you. You said the last one was easy too.

42:24So if you know the person and you know them well, you go right in. So taking it to the high rocks group situation dan we always go right in right dan's we go right in jeff and emma's we go right in neighbors and neighbors we go right in so so i think there's there's like a a cohort of friends where you just go right in i think if you're not in that if the people hosting the party don't fit in that group then you have to knock you wait 30 seconds if there's no answer then you go in now i want to take it a step further

43:04Jules:and say if i'm hosting i want you to come right in because then i feel like you feel comfortable in my house and i love that where we are very lucky though that leans into that is our front door is glass yes and so you get a good read of what's going on and often someone's just gonna wave you in or open the door and let you in. Yes. But I love, I love signs. What I've become obsessed with now, you know, we have our own house and we're like the leader of the house. Cause like we're the parents, right? Like we don't live at our parents' house. So like this is our house now I'm obsessed with people giving me signs that they feel comfortable.

43:40Jules:Like I'm very much so like, you know where the cups are, please like make, when I say make yourself at home, make yourself at home. And that gives me, that brings me joy. That's why I'm very obsessed with our seating arrangements in our house because I want there to be enough places people can sit and feel comfortable and I want the vibe. And I think you coming in the front door extends a hand to that vibe. Totally. So I'm all for that. And yeah. So this is my vote as you go in. I'm going to make a call to the audience. Okay. Love our house.

44:16Saw photos of a friend's house.

44:19Jules:Mm-hmm. And what I've learned is I think our house needs a touch-up of interior design work. And I think we should hire an interior designer just for touch-ups, not to change anything crazy. To take it over the finish line. But to bring the rooms together. So any listeners that have interior designers in Austin that they think we should have a chat with, please let us know. Do you know what I think would drastically change our current situation? please share two new coffee tables yeah but i want i'm with you on both those but i would i'm really excited to bring them in and just get a feel for it like where where are we missing it is it the pillows is it the artwork yeah is it i agree the artwork uh we have some lamps that could happen like some warmth but we're close but i do agree we're at a 75 or an 80 percent And we could have somebody come take it to 100.

45:17Yeah.

45:18Jules:Okay. Love that for us, H-Town. It's also fun when you just outsource. It takes the pressure off. Well, I love doing it. And I love coming up with the structure. So I think you and I just feel differently on that. But I also recognize shortcomings. And I don't know what to do from here. No, no, no. You go to someone's house who had an interior designer. And this is where I learned with Jennifer Welch. Like they are professionals for a reason. Yeah. And we're not. I was just going to say, do you think also it could just be time? Totally. They have all day to do it. And no, no, no. I'm not saying that.

45:56Like I'm saying your house in five years is going to look completely different. No. And like, yeah. Okay. Yeah.

46:05Jules:No, I'm with you, Jules. You build on it over the years. Like I think that there's a difference like between like a house that's been lived in for, I mean, I know you're two years now, but for one year versus like a house that's been lived in for five years. And I'm like, oh, I can tell these people live here. The friends I'm thinking of, their living room. Overnight. It was overnight. But that's an interior designer. They do an install. It was overnight. And it's so well done. They also have no kids. We do have a toy pile. But must be there. But I'm not like I'm not saying anything against that.

46:40Jules:no but it's gonna it's gonna look ours looks a little more cluttered we literally have but i like our clutter corner so do i i love our clutter corner and i and i like that i that that you know there's just we're just getting in the phase where there's just gonna be shit everywhere i have a friend from new york who i think could be really fun to do it with okay matt here's the thing though So a lot of - He started making content. A lot of interior designers don't like love to do houses that only need finishing touches. So - Makes sense. Something to think about. Okay. Focusing illusion. Can you talk - That's a line of yours.

47:23What? Something to think about when you're not sold.

47:27Jules:Put a pin in it. It's a good line. Put a pin in it. Okay. Focusing illusion. Can you explain this to us? Yeah. I love this. I read it in a newsletter and what it really touches on is the flaw that, the flaws that, or the mistake that we often make in looking at one thing in someone's life and drawing a mass conclusion on that while we're missing the bigger picture of what's going on. And so what it speaks to is it speaks to a study and the study pulls a bunch of people in Michigan and it pulls a bunch of people in California. And it asked the people both in California and Michigan to rate their own happiness.

48:21And then it asked them to rate their perceived happiness of the group living on the other side of the country. So for the Michigan people, how happy do they think the California people are? And the California people, how happy do they think the Michigan people are? And what was really interesting about it is the happiness levels of the California people and the Michigan people were the same.

48:42Jules:Okay. Okay. But the perceived happiness was very different. So the California people thought the Michigan people were less happy than them. And the Michigan people thought the California people were more happy than them. Okay. And the driver of that was weather. It's the one thing you could see. The most obvious thing you could see. The people in Michigan are like, well, they're in California. It's sunny. They must be happier than me. And yeah, they didn't account for all the other factors going on in their life, both good and, uh, and bad. And I see this happen all the time. Um, and I see it happen like really online, um, in the biggest way, and especially with professional success.

49:29And so, you know, someone will go and, you know, post some big thing on LinkedIn and, you know, often that's just what we see is the salary or the exit. And what we don't see is the strain that building that business put on this person's family or their mental health then um yeah it just really really struck a chord with me that was it well i think it's i think it's interesting for a few reasons but one is we were talking about a couple episodes ago how like you don't have to delay

50:03Jules:happiness happiness can be now yeah right and it's kind of with the seasons too i saw somebody talking about how people will anticipate the next season like so ready for fall but it's like just enjoy just enjoy summer right now enjoy this day like in a minute days of it left and get ready to enjoy tomorrow too and so i think just like enjoying the now and instead of getting online being like they're so much happier than me they're doing this they're doing that no you're doing awesome and like enjoy this moment totally i think it's really important the other thing is we did our icebergs again and i know that i said i thought they were icebreakers in my group chat they actually were icebergs oh but then i okay no we knew it was icebergs we knew it was icebergs i thought it was lettuce it actually turns out she didn't mean iceberg so what did she mean we were talking about icebreakers one time and we were saying icebergs as a joke and so it's a play on words i don't actually know what it is all the moms are confused in the group text but we call it the iceberg anyways shannon had a really good one this week because she went on this like a fabulous, amazing trip.

51:04Jules:And she was like, the trip was amazing. But I have to remember, like, it doesn't make me any more happy. Like, I love just being at home with my kids. And while the trip was fabulous, amazing, they went for a wedding, they had such a nice time. Like, my happiness levels don't change because I'm able to do the thing. And I thought even just reading that, I was like, that, I loved hearing that. Because you do realize the older you get, like, they always say money can't buy happiness. And it seems a bit lofty, but like, it can't. Absolutely. Neither can weather, although I do think there's such thing as seasonal depression.

51:36Jules:But what this is saying is like, well, the sunshine in California is not making you happier than the person in Michigan. Seeing the beach isn't. All while you might want to live by the beach and things like that. If you move to live by the beach thinking it's going to solve all your problems, it won't. Like you have to solve your problems. So I like this. Okay, I'm just getting nods from both of you. So I'll just move us along, huh? Nothing else to say? Nope. fabulous there's a weird tone nope that was a bit like a dog we used to have an entire shelf in the kitchen dedicated to supplements there was a bottle for this and a bottle for that and half of them you could not tell what they were even for or what they were doing for us and every morning we were standing there trying to remember what we had already taken and then a toddler pulled at our legs and we're like okay you know what never mind i forgot what i took what i didn't take and it was a whole system and we weren't really good at keeping up with it okay now you guys, it's one drink.

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53:14Jules:So go to im8health.com slash 2Parents right now or click on the link in the description and use code 2Parents for a free welcome kit, five free travel sachets plus 10 % off your order. That's code 2Parents at im8health.com slash 2Parents. Code 2Parents at im8health.com slash 2Parents. These statements have not been evaluated by the Food and Drug Administration. This product is not intended to diagnose, treat, cure, or prevent any disease. All right. Tim Cook's last day as the CEO of Apple. So when Tim Cook stepped in as CEO of Apple, the market cap of the company, the value of the company was$350 billion.

54:01Okay. Today, it's worth$4.7 trillion. Jeez. So he's created$4.3 trillion of value for shareholders. Whoa. He's the ultimate case study in shareholder value creation. He created$800 million of value every single day that he was CEO. He will truly go down as one of the best CEOs for hire ever.

54:32Jules:And why is he stepping down? Because he's done it for 15 years and he's done an excellent job. So now who's taking over? The VP of product, I believe. I forget the gentleman's name. And can you do better than Tim did? Are those just massive shoes to fill that almost you're kind of like, I don't want it? What's really funny is like what you'll notice is I didn't say it's the single greatest or it's the single most value ever created for shareholders. Okay. Because Jensen Huang and Nvidia has created more value for shareholders. Wow. But it's a top two performance ever. Yeah. Holy smokes. Yeah. So do we own any Apple stock?

55:18Directly, no, but we own it through.

55:21Jules:The 500 thing. Through the S &P 500. That's the beauty of the S &P 500. That's the beauty of it. Because I remember my dad talking about big stock market misses. And my dad called me up and Apple had a$700 billion market value one way or another. And he's like, yeah, thinking about buying some Apple here. you know, had a well thought out thesis. And I was like, dad, just the upside on this feels really limited. There's, there's, you know, maybe one or two companies that have ever traded over a trillion dollar market cap and your best case, maybe you're looking at a 30 % return and yeah, I think it better put in places, A, B, and C, and he didn't buy any Apple stock and I cost him a four bagger wow what's a four bagger?

56:15like increasing 4x in value ok can't just talk about our wins on here

56:24Jules:must talk about the L's too so what do you think though where does Apple go from here? if you own Apple if you own Apple stock not just through the S &P 500 but you own it outright and Tim Cook is stepping down are you selling? Is the stock price going to go down because you're like, well, no one's going to do it better than that? This has been in the news for a long time. We're at the peak. So those shareholders who don't believe in the transition, they've already had ample time to exit. Okay. And it's not that they don't believe in the transition. It's that they just think that who's going to do better than Tim?

56:59Yeah. And I think what's really cool about his time is his time was, you know, the highlights are very much him adding ancillary products. So, you know, the iPhone already existed. I think he stepped in and it was the iPhone 4. And so it was continuous minor improvements on the iPhone and then building out the larger ecosystem a la AirPods. so he didn't completely reinvent the wheel uh he just perfected it but very well said he perfected it i think where um and he perfected it at a time of um you know mass iphone adopt mass smartphone adoption so like while he was given a mega tailwind behind his business he wrote it in the most efficient way relative to everyone else.

57:57This new guy is coming in during the wave of AI. Okay. So he's going to need a position, Apple, to succeed the way Tim Cook did through the smartphone revolution, now through the AI revolution. And so it's actually pretty timely around the new guy stepping in to help them navigate these waters. And is the...

58:25Jules:I'm just trying to think about where I want to take this. But what do we know? This is what I want to actually. What do we know about Tim Cook personally? Nothing. I'm sure a lot, but I don't. Do we have like a, like, I always love the Bob Iger quote. Like how you do anything is how you do everything. Like what's Tim Cook's quote? You know, we've got T. Boone Pickens with this ready, aim, aim. It's not ready, aim, aim. It's ready, aim, fire. What's Tim say? I want to get a little bit about him personally. um i'll pull it up yeah i have a question yeah like i just saw that they announced like this like siri ai or whatever i would assume siri is always running on ai but you know how ai has this like negative connotation now yeah like why is everything being like why is everything being branded as ai when there is a negative connotation that like siri was always using ai do you know i'm saying no i don't say it one more time yeah i completely understand what she's saying okay maybe repeat it in a better way ai largely has a negative connotation to it and um ai existed in many ways in our life before chat gbt oh we just didn't know it surfaced we just didn't know it okay things that at one point had no negative perception to them now do i think that that what it comes down to is is ai in the u.s has lost its pr battle and it's gonna need to fix that and that's gonna need to come from the leaders maybe they can hire the person that did oat milk the Sam Altman's of the world.

1:00:08Um, and it's going to take a lot of time and effort. It's a very different story in China. Obviously China media is controlled in a very different way, but, um, excitement around AI just heard a data point. I think that it's, uh, 80 % of consumers in China believe that AI will lead to good. Uh, and so the way it's just being portrayed here versus other parts in the world is very different. And I think kind of to the Bill Gates essay,

1:00:46his point is it can really go one of two ways. It can go one of two ways, and it's very unclear what way we're going to go, and it can lead to greatness, but it can also lead to a lot of harm.

1:00:56Jules:Well, his words, I want to be specific about Bill Gates' words, the greatest equalizer ever invented or the worst source of injustice. I mean, those are two very drastic ends of the spectrum. Yeah. And he's saying he doesn't know, but I'll read his warning too. This isn't like past tech shifts that happened over generations and needed humans. AI and robotics could replace both blue and white collar jobs, fuel deep fakes, bioterrorism and cyber attacks. the worst possible time for humans to lose their critical thinking skills. I mean, he's sending out big warnings, but he's also saying it could be the best thing ever.

1:01:34So it's just, it's interesting.

1:01:36Jules:It's an interesting time to be alive. Would you like a Tim Cook quote that I think you'll like? I would love one, yes. The sidelines are not where you want to live your life. The world needs you in the arena. Phenomenal. Well, pretty good, but very similar to the man in the arena quote. Oh, I don't know the quote. I didn't know that quote. so great call out Alex yeah well the man in the arena quote Brene Brown loves it but it was said by it was said by who initially said the man in the arena quote I'll have to look like Teddy Roosevelt yeah so okay so that can we get one more quote I love that quote but I have heard something very similar okay there are times when a reliance on gut or intuition just seems more appropriate when a particular course of action just feels right trusting your gut yeah okay and that means a lot coming from a person as successful as him the most important decisions in your life trust your intuition and then work with everything you have to prove it right okay okay alex was clearly looking for more i know eight hundred million dollars a day of value creation wasn't enough she needed a quote this is a guy this is a guy that has proved himself and doesn't need to prove...

1:02:56Jules:I was just wondering, okay, this would be the last one. I'd rather cannibalize Apple than have somebody else cannibalize Apple. I like that one the most. Yeah. Okay. Thank you. Was he the first openly gay CEO of a Fortune 500 company? being gay is among the greatest gifts God has given me. Love that. That's my favorite. Now that's my favorite.

1:03:24I don't I couldn't even pick Tim Cook out of a lineup I think that's important what I need to see him like tall gray hair skinny good-looking guy yeah he was the first openly gay CEO of a fortune 500 company amazing love that okay so and he's a guy that loves to trust his gut because

1:03:44Jules:of kids you guys are sorry sorry sorry sorry sorry i'm just fascinated by a guy he kept a relatively low profile um low pro low public profile no no kids no kids okay i'm just fascinated by a guy that's had this level of success i wanted to know what he was up to yeah it's funny though because like at base value you could have sat there and been like he was there for 15 years the iPhone didn't change that much you know like what did he how did he really take with Steve Jobs like how different did he really make things like oh he you know shows the importance of what's of nailing what's going on underneath the hood yeah well and his numbers speak for themselves those are indisputable numbers those statistics those are good I like those stats alright good for you Tim Cook and happy retirement I hope that you have one heck of a party All right.

1:04:40Jules:What else would we like to talk about? Do you think we probably go with one more topic? Okay. Well, for that one more topic, let's do... Jennifer Gardner says, never apologize to your kids for working. Jennifer Gardner also said she was... Did she marry Ben Affleck? Yeah. And then they got divorced. At 45. And when she got divorced, she was worried about going back to work and making a living for herself. and then I think she took it in such stride yeah what a gal anyways the line when I work I don't apologize to my kids for it I do take them I do thank them for being sweet about it but that's part of life working hard is part of life I love the standard that she's saying her reasoning work is part of life and she gets joy from what she does and she wants her kids to see her love work she says apologizing doesn't serve anyone what do you think about this instead of saying I'm sorry she replaces it with thank you thank you for being understanding

1:05:44I think it makes a lot of sense at face value I think that if work is costing you you know lost if work is causing you to to miss significant milestones then I think recognizing the cost of work on your personal life is also very important. And, you know, finding that line is, is, you know, much easier said than done because, you know, there's not, not a lot of flexibility around work schedules. And, um, and so I think that, I think that it, while it's important to recognize the positive impact work can have on, on you and not be apologetic around it, I think it's also important to recognize like when work does cost you great personal moments yeah and i'm

1:06:34Jules:sad and maybe not i'm sorry but i'm sad i'm missing that i think that would be a powerful way to say it like i wish that i could come to your school performance but i can't because i'm on set yep um harrison yes how do i say this i love your whole outfit today thank you and i give it's one of my favorite outfits that you've worn like this combo you're not allowed to wear the nike socks with the dress shoes. Okay. You're not. I just got to tell you, he's not allowed to do it, right? Do we agree with that? I agree. It's truly one of my favorite outfits on you. Thank you. We were hustling out the door.

1:07:09Yeah. And honestly, the shoes I wanted to wear were these slip-ons, but they've kind of been hurting my feet and it's race week, so.

1:07:16Jules:That's the big thing that's happened. Harrison started to have a foot ache and this isn't the time. Yeah. So, do you agree though with me on that? Yeah, I'm totally agree. Okay, great. All right, good. All right, we love you guys. Thank you for listening. happy race week Harrison and everyone have a great week thank you for listening talk to you Wednesday thanks for listening to another episode of two parents if you enjoyed the show don't forget to subscribe like comment rate and review stay connected on Instagram TikTok YouTube and Facebook at two parents in a pod welcome to our home sorry it's so messy new episodes every Monday Wednesday and Friday