Darren Prince:From Addiction to Representing Legends Like Magic Johnson & Muhammad Ali |Sean Callagy

0:00The man who lost his mom, his dog, his engagement, and his best friend in one year showed up to surf the Atlantic with a blind unicorn founder. What came out of that ocean wasn't just two guys.

0:12Sean Callagy:It was a masterclass in net giving, sustainable giving, Dolly Parton. And why the greatest legacy isn't fame, it's that nobody complained when the flags came down. Darren Prince and Sean Callagy unblinded. Watch it. Why did magic help you? He told me magical words. I'm going to give you two years. You're a good dude. Life is how successful I can make you and everybody else around me because you're going to do the same. Do you think it would have been worse to fight Tyson for three rounds or that ocean? I mean, I got a pretty bad cut on my knee. I got a bruise on this knee, a swollen right toe.

0:47Sean Callagy:This is the man freeze framing. He's up on that surfboard. Did you not do it? We got up there. It wasn't for long enough. And all of a sudden we're chatting, I'm like, hey, we have this idea about sustainable giving. I think this all came about talking about Dolly Parton. Every single person in the world came together. And if that's not legacy, I don't know what is.

1:14Sean Callagy:Welcome to the Sean Cowley Unblinded Podcast, where we serve you in seeing what you may not be seeing about exponentially rising your money, your time, your magic. We are here with the one and only Darren Prince. Who is this guy? Why in the Sean Callaghan Bonded podcast for the second time? I don't know. Celebrity whisperer? This is the dude. He reunited, reunited Muhammad Ali and Joe Frazier. Do you know how crazy that is? What type of yes-causing mastery that took? And he did it when he was high. he was the man that hulk hogan looked to for advice guidance speaker agency gotta rest hulk hogan's soul a dear friend of darren's he once worked with the amazing pamela anderson for a long period of time i mean the dude works now with magic johnson david goggins extraordinary human beings of all sorts and kinds charlie sheen he brought ralph macchio to our this podcast before he is a celebrity whisperer and whatever celebrities i say there's a whole longer list but much more importantly he's from jersey originally he's not a hollywood guy yeah they took him from us but the guy also is a philanthropist his book aiming high international bestseller was all about his journey through addiction 18 years of sobriety that's what this man has and his story continues with contribution and philanthropy through his aiming high foundation we got a gala coming up lots to talk about but first darren prince welcome welcome and what are you doing the great state of new part two yes part two you're in the great state of new jersey why are you here well i came to see you came to see my sister and a couple friends and it's just been an incredible weekend with you awesome well i thank you for that so what i want to show you right now is what darren and i were doing a few minutes ago because i think this is like we're just in like total like chill vibe that's our ocean out there that's my backyard by the way we're coming from long beach island new jersey the heart and soul of my life my family and darren and i a few minutes ago we're about to do this so that's darren i getting ready to hit the surf and i surf a couple waves and then it was darren's turn to go with a blind guy if you don't know i am actually blind i'm making eye contact with darren and the camera but yes this crazy man uh crazier than anything ever did with substances way back in the day is going into the rough violent atlantic ocean with a blind man and here as you can see it couple punches from like Apollo Creed meets Mike Tyson he's also done a lot of great things with Mr.

3:48Sean Callagy:Mike Tyson Darren's getting bumped and battered but you know what? Darren kept getting up so Darren what was the surfing like? What was that piece of the puzzle? We have so much to talk about today stay with us because we're going to talk about how you get to meet somebody like Darren how you create amazing things in the world and how you rise your identity because he started with super humble beginnings it's a crazy story we're going to highlight it very quickly talk about where he is and where we're going from here with sustainable giving, philanthropy, taking this podcast to the moon, integrously, incredible contribution.

4:17Sean Callagy:But Darren, surfing, ocean, what's up? The surfing was amazing. I mean, we tried three rounds, I think it was. We did. At least 10 to 12 attempts. Do you think it would have been worse to fight Tyson for three rounds or that ocean? I mean, I got a pretty bad cut on my knee. I got a bruise on this knee, a swollen right toe. I'm a little battered, but I mean, if the waves weren't so strong, probably would have gone another round or dip. Yeah. And here's Darren Prince. He's standing up. Look at this. This is the man. Freeze framing. He's up on that surfboard. Did you not do it? We got up there. It wasn't the longest time, but eventually we got up, and I think if we can maybe give it a shot in the morning, I'll have better luck.

4:59Sean Callagy:So, Mr. David Goggins, if you watch this, you may run ultra marathons. You're an amazing human being, but this brother battles that imagination. He's like a Navy SEAL out there, a Navy SEAL in training. so with everybody out there um we're super grateful and i want you to bring present for a second like what is it for you in the world that brings you here today are you still going to escape for a minute like all right let's check something out here or is there something that's more that you're seeking is it more financial abundance maybe it's more scaling leverage duplication time freedom you know you're you're burning the midnight oil putting the time in or maybe it's more magic and impact you want to create what's it for you just like bring that present quick visual of it for uh darren and myself we're on the magic journey and we'll talk about that in a second the impact the philanthropy but what is it for you that brings you here because i love you to like turn your listening on like dial in at that level for this conversation and the more you're seeking we're going to talk about us a little bit but we're irrelevant you're the star of this whole thing your outcomes your needs that's what this is all about so thank you So, Darren, you've been through a lot in the past year.

6:09Sean Callagy:Since last we spoke, you've lost your mom. You've lost your beloved amazing dog. And you just had a transition in your life from an amazing, extraordinary woman, as you say, all the time. And please, brother, what's it been like for you? Because people out there, they got challenges too. What's going on? And Hulk passing on. July 24th. And people's celebrity name drop, I know for a fact, because I've had the privilege of speaking to a number of these incredible humans, including somebody like Magic Johnson, these aren't names that aren't drops. He doesn't just make a little bit of money with them and do a service.

6:48Sean Callagy:These are people that are near and dear to his heart, and he's near and dear to theirs. And so I've met a lot of folks who name drop this man, and I've had the privilege of being inside that circle. These people love him and he loves them. So please, the loss of Hulk Hogan as well. Forgive me for not mentioning that, please. So, you know, I feel that a feeling in life is somebody that's a healer and that's always working on elevating myself each day to get closer to God and be more of service. And, you know, healing is an ongoing journey for all of us. And, you know, I could have chose to, you know, focus on, you know, the bad of losing my mom and Hulk and my beloved Rodney, I talked from was 14 years and you know the heartache of a broken engagement with NUTSA but because of the personal development work I've done you got introduced to one of the key four members of my Mount Rushmore personal development launch last night what's up launch um you know I do a lot of breath work a lot of meditating grounding I've got my 12-step recovery spiritual meetings right at the top is my aiming high foundation and serving others that are needed substance abuse, everyday people as well as veterans that we fly in.

8:03I just think that my buddy Brian, he spoke to Marty this morning, another good friend for that frequency work. I just think this world sometimes, we just get wrapped up from the neck up in what's going on in life. And I think we all have these tools to change our perspective and perception and look at every situation different in a more positive light of what we had and not what we're losing or what we have and not what we're not getting.

8:31Sean Callagy:Amen. Now, for anybody that you're red alert or spidey senses are tingling, mine tingle too. I am always super concerned about authenticity and integrity. We're not talking about Darren, but when I start hearing mindset work, breath work, frequency, imagery, visualization, shaman, I start to go like freak out. not because I don't believe in the power of our mindset, the power of our neural connections, the possibility of creating these visions that come to reality. I do believe in that, but I also believe because it's a very subjective area that there's so many people that are really not integrous.

9:17Sean Callagy:And even those that are meaning well are very unmasterful. So when Darren starts talking about that stuff and we hadn't kind of made that step forward i know it's real with him because i know that not only does he get his mindset squared away and i'm blind that we call their self-mastery but his influence mastery is at the highest level in the world with the most complex and challenging humans who have people coming at them from every single conceivable direction and his process mastery is extraordinary as well because he's also thinking about like Like which yes's do I cause? Darren is not out there talking to everybody.

9:53Sean Callagy:He's incredibly loving and remarkably intentional and boundary-filled. So when Darren starts talking about this stuff, I'm curious. What does all that mean to him? And we've done a lot of beautiful things together. Whenever I go out to California, Darren and I get together and we have a meal. We have breakfast with Mickey Mouse and Minnie Mouse with my daughter Selena on our last trip out to California. He's become a real friend and I use the word friend very cautiously. I had a wonderful time at my friend and now your friend Jay Shetty's house. Thank you. Went to Jay Shetty and had the podcast.

10:26Sean Callagy:And I thank you for that, brother, as well. And Darren came to our event, brought all these incredible speakers last October. It was nine speakers. It was just a breakthrough event. So it's helped us get this podcast to number one on Apple Business Podcast. So, but. And I've got to interrupt. Please. Dinner with Sugar Ray Leonard. Yes. Completely unexpected. This son of a B, like mother effer, right? brings Sugar Ray Leonard to dinner a hero of mine I'm out of my mind I'm sitting next to Sugar Ray Leonard peppercorns restaurant in Woodcliffe Lake New Jersey this like tiny little cool bar grill restaurant and like Sugar Ray is like bumping into me I'm like bumping into me like we're like we're like 12 year old kids having fun I have tears coming down my face thanking him for it that's what this man's all about but we've never stayed over in the same place together So when I heard about the breakup and my heart goes out to you and Nutsa, right?

11:19Sean Callagy:The transition out of an engagement, whatever language that you would use. And Nutsa is an incredible star and hyper talented person and so is Darren. I was like, brother, not in a way of like, oh, let's go roar like dudes and put women down and say why Darren is so right or anything because it's not like that for him. I said, I love you. like come to one beach island anytime you want to and very few people take you up on it um and darren did he's like i can't come this weekend but i'm up for next weekend i'm like yes but he's actually gonna come and so darren came down and i don't know we're like two dudes down here by ourself and like what are we gonna do right go out and like you know drink and drug oh we don't do those things so we decided to go out and have dinner and he's like you know i got this great mindset work that I do.

12:09Sean Callagy:I'm like, yeah, I hear you talk about it a lot. Like, tell me. He's like, well, this guy's like a shaman. I'm like, oh, shaman. Okay. I'm like, oh, tell me more brother. I love you. And I'm definitely not going to be rude or disrespectful. He's like, let me call him. I'm like, oh my God, he's going to call a shaman. I'm going to like, this is the stuff I make fun of. Not all the work, but of how much like wackiness is in these spaces. I'm like, okay. And the guy is like, blessings, brother. I am Lange. And I'm always exaggerating. I'm like, oh my God. And then like three hours later, I felt like I had a new amazing friend in Lange.

12:50Sean Callagy:And Lange took me through one of his sessions. I've done a lot of work my entire life. I've never done plant medicine. I've never done a drug. But I've done incredibly diverse mindset work all the way back to my peak performance baseball career in high school. It took me from not starting varsity as a sophomore in high school to 100 offers from Division I schools by the end of my junior year. So I believe in imagery, visualization, the power of mindset but I also believe it's got to be connected to how to. I just talked to this guy and like this son of a B again just like with Sugar Ray Leonard I'm here to serve him and he delivers an amazing human to my life and amazing experience and always in full transparency.

13:30Sean Callagy:What did I work on? I worked there on my pleasing. you know I like to make people happy I like to say yes to people and maybe just maybe I was pleasing Darren a little bit and saying yes to getting the the this life coach shaman dude on the phone and it was like okay like I did it but I worked on that pattern and it was a remarkable outcome so I want to thank you brother and if you wouldn't mind sharing I know some of this may sound like a step out there especially for the lawyers that are here accountants that are here financial service providers that are here some of my more corporate types maybe less for some of the coaches and trainers that are out there listening but I really stand in the space of Darren's commitment to his self-mastery.

14:11Sean Callagy:My language is not his. He'll give his language. Self-mastery, the build and master self and he's got an incredible set of habits and routines and P.S. whenever people in the podcast are like so tell me about your morning routine. I don't like that. We need to be better than that, more than that but Darren's authentically got a tremendous this approach to beginning and ending his day. And I'm witnessing it now, not just hearing about it, but I've witnessed it as we hang out in my homes down here. So Darren, what's that like for you and anything you want to comment on, especially since I thought Launch might be a wackadoo fraud and he was anything but…

14:45And we're going to get dialed in tonight with him again.

14:47Sean Callagy:And we're going to go get back on with him. I'm getting like hello to yes everywhere, but Darren, please. So, you know, I think consistency is a word that's not often used enough in life. You know, I don't believe in discipline. I think a lot of people could be disciplined without consistency. So, you know, for me, having 18-plus years sober, you know, several years ago, I wanted to do the deep inner work. And so now, like, my days start with 45 minutes of no contact. In fact, when I was at Jay Shetty's house, Jay told me he does 90 minutes. And I feel that when we can wake up and shit. And just to clarify, 90 minutes of no contact, just please, for these five folks.

15:26Sean Callagy:That's what Jay does now, 90 minutes. What is no contact? Basically no contact to the phone whatsoever. Nothing to the outside world, no social media, no emails, no phone calls, no texts. So he sits still with himself and does self-guided meditation. So fortunately I've lunge once a month. He'll make a brand new audio for me. That one goes about 25 minutes. I do breath work, I lie on a grounding mat. I'll do 500 loops on the jump rope. I'll read from my 12-step literature, recovery literature, which puts a strong emphasis on God and serving others. I know he's working through character defects because none of us are perfect.

16:04But it's also allowed me to live in this just unbelievable authentic frequency of just I am who I am and I don't regret anything. I wrote about it in my book being arrested four times when I was 20, 21 for possession charge. Mind you, I was very successful. I had some possessions, distributive possessions to give to friends. You know, I just wanted to be that guy with money, partying, whatever it might have been, just to get everybody together.

16:31Sean Callagy:And Darren, by the way, started in the card baseball or baseball card business. In the 1980s. As a 15-year-old? 14. 14. And then by the time Darren's like 20, 21, he's making, how much money were you making? About a half a million a year. Yeah, half a million bucks a year. He's crushing life. and he's developed problems with substances. So please, brother. Yeah, so I look back at all these moments in my life. Then when I transitioned out of Baseball Cards, I started booking autograph signings for Muhammad Ali, Magic Johnson, Chevy Chase, Pamela Anderson, and got in a lot of trouble during an FBI investigation, very open about it, got a felony charge for, I guess, in my own way, I thought the source I was dealing with on these autographs was legit, and he wasn't, and I kind of gave them a story about the guy protecting him that sort of blew up in my face and was one of those transitional periods in life where Magic came to my rescue.

17:29Sean Callagy:And Magic meaning Magic Johnson, superstar of the Los Angeles Lakers that I'm so grateful to Naren, has been on the Unblinded podcast and we had an incredible time together, Magic and I, and he said some really beautiful things about me and this place. That's what this man does. And remember, could you imagine, like you're talking to Magic Johnson, who is a superstar in the world, Darren has a felony charge, big challenges in the world. Why did magic help you do you think at that time? You know we had this beautiful conversation and my dad pushed me and my dad rest in peace to speak to him and he was like I thought being an agent I had to go to law school for eight years and my dad taught me the power of influence and said life is about who you know not what you know.

18:14you have magic and Joe Montana and Ollie and Fraser he goes magic's the one that really not that they all didn't stand by but he really stood by why don't you talk to him about your vision and I was with them a few weeks later I told him I want to start my agency and he told me magical words that were when exactly like this that I'm gonna give you two years you're a good dude and you made a mistake in the public eye and I know all about making mistakes mine is was a few years after his HIV announcement and he goes, but if you don't use me in those two years to bring in all the celebrities you can to really expand upon your agency, you're not going to make it through the two years because life is how successful I can make you and everybody else around me because you're going to do the same and I'm going to be a success in the world of sports and entertainment they've never seen before.

19:02Fast forward, you know, it's a multi-billion dollar empire. So I understood then…

19:07Sean Callagy:And Magic Johnson is now a multi-billionaire. Yes. So now I understood Ben. First off, there's no judgment in Darren Prince's mindset because here is one of the all-time great kings not judging me, understanding I made a mistake, I own it. I feel that if that moment in life never happened, there's no way Prince Martin Group exists. You know, everybody's got a track record. Everybody's got a pass. So once I got sober, obviously my agency started blowing up and exploding. I wanted to do deeper work, Sean, because look I'm not mentioning names I don't call people I don't judge but there's a lot of people in that frequency that are focused from this space and you can watch their social media and you could see them on stages and you could say it's all about the sales and this and that and as somebody that's a healer that lives in the frequency all day long I just get this feeling literally my nervous system and I could tell you right away the real ones and the ones that aren't as authentic.

20:05Now, look, I don't fault them because I guess they're helping certain people, but for me it goes in this order. Peace, happiness, happiness brings fulfillment, fulfillment brings abundance. And that's what I want to strive for every day, those four things.

20:21Sean Callagy:Awesome, brother. Love hearing that for sure. So, and one of the things to have practical takeaways for you is when you're working with people, it's not about judging them, but it is about assessing performance. So one thing is to say somebody is lazy versus saying, hey, they didn't hustle on that play and they consistently don't hustle. So you're not saying that they're lazy and judging them in a net, but you're recognizing patterns and characteristics in people. And one of the patterns that Darren brings forward and we talk about as the core beginning of the definition of integrity is whether somebody is a net taker or is behaving as a net giver with great patterns of consistency.

21:08Sean Callagy:And of course, there's always situations in our life where we can look back and say, I've received more than I've given. I often say this about Tony Robbins, that I still feel indebted to him for all the incredible things that he unlocked in my life that it wouldn't be possible to unlock. I feel indebted to my high school athletic coaches that I still feel that I am so on the short side of giving to them. But that doesn't make me a net taker overall in life and I hope that I'm seen, I believe I am by most people that know me super well, as a tremendous net giver. So what Darren is looking for, what I'm looking for first is for us to be net givers and to find and surround ourselves also with net givers.

21:51Sean Callagy:And this goes back to the beginning of the session. We're talking to Darren. He's coming here, and a lot of people would be bitter, blaming, judgmental, frustrated, attacking, coming through any transition in a relationship. It's a very normal way people behave. Not that guy. That guy couldn't have said more beautiful things about Nutsa. And that guy couldn't have been in a more positive way to give to me. And I'm just here. the entire purpose of me being here wasn't even to do this we had this set up this a couple of team members you know thanks Michael and Ali being down here this was for me to film videos we had a film and all of a sudden we're chatting I'm like hey we have this idea about a sustainable giving and the podcast a gala that we have coming up you know Darren's mission I'm like do you want to jump on a podcast like after we get out of the water let's just go and he's like yeah let's go and so like that's how this came to be but in between he's introducing me to his incredible a life coach and I believe most life coaches are really suboptimal and I do coach people on their lives but this is really tremendous work that we're doing at a much more masterful and deep level and then he's just here making introductions and talking about how to do things and this is a man whose heart's banged up he's had a really really brutally challenging year but that's what the patterns of someone behaving as a net giver look like so for you to really think about look around your life, not judging people around you but having empathy for them but really, hey, it's like can they play quarterback?

23:24Sean Callagy:Can they play point guard? Hey, are they behaving like a net giver? It's in that way and if you're not clear on that you can really have some pain and some heartache. Any thoughts on that, sir? I love the analogy on the takers and the givers and ironically I spoke to Nuta three days ago. she's in her country georgia she just had this incredible historic concert uh summer concert i mean there must have been 10 000 people there and she was buzzing and the the content on her social media looks absolutely unbelievable and we start we always have these beautiful life talks because remember we were besties agent client for two and a half years before even got engaged and that came up that now there's certain people at that time in my life were doing inventory of a couple people that just feels like 100 to 0 in the taking to giving frequency.

24:18I'm okay if it's 99 to 1. Okay? I'll give 99 to a little bit of 1 once in a while. But it's when the energy just starts going and being depleted. And depleted doesn't mean they're bad people. It just means they might not be my people.

24:36Sean Callagy:Right. Where you have to start limiting the access to us. It doesn't mean I might not speak to them a half a dozen times a year, see them a few times a year, but they're going to take me down from my frequency rather than me bringing them up. Yeah, amen. And so it's like we've been taught to be nice to people, to give people the benefit of the doubt. We've been taught that if we don't have strong, clear, and convincing, beyond the reasonable doubt proof, then we can't think somebody is not a neck giver. We have to make excuses for other people. And we don't in this space believe that at all. You know, if you're an animal in the wild and you hear a twig snap, head looks, you have to think there's danger.

25:27Sean Callagy:So we offer you an invitation to think, hey, let's have unconditional love. Let's have unconditional respect. But unconditional love, unconditional respect do not equal unconditional trust. And what if trust is something that people earn as they go through stages? You know, I have a five-year-old daughter. I have, you know, four children, 23, 24, 26, and 5. And my children were never allowed to be alone with people because people didn't cross that trust barrier. And the only way I would have crossed that trust barrier with people is if we had a camera on they didn't know it and they had a sustained amount of time with my child not knowing the camera was there that would be a relevant test to build trust even if I loved and respected the person so the invitation this conversation is to not feel judge let's not be judgmental but let's also not feel judgmental when we're deciding whether or not somebody is a quarterback aka also known as a net giver.

26:30Sean Callagy:And based on like net giving, net taking, we could then determine how much space this person could take up in our life. And let's also determine, hey, are we net givers versus net takers? And my hallucination is that most of you out there watching this right now are actually a net giver at heart. And maybe it hurt, maybe it beat up. And maybe that net giver makes you feel foolish and stupid. It certainly has me and it definitely has his brother as well but we always want to be net givers. We just want to find our way to building our ecosystem with a lot more net givers. Not judging the takers, just building net givers around us because that's how we merge ecosystems and make 1 plus 1 equal a lot more than 2 which is coming up in our conversation in a little bit about what we're up to about the gala but any other thoughts brother?

27:21Yeah, I mean, I think what you said was perfect, Sean, but that's also why the personal development work and the healing is so important because there's a lot of people that are givers, and they're giving from a wrong place. They're giving for validation. They're giving for a lack of. They're giving for what they might not have gotten from their mother or father or unresolved trauma from relationships or friendships or businesses that they got screwed over. You know, it's got to be from an authentic place and understanding why we're doing what we're doing. And I think that's what I love about the work that I've done because I've picked, you know, certain relationships over the years that weren't meant to be, you know, where I could have seen things coming, you know, sooner, many years ago when I've done the work with Launch.

28:10I've picked certain business associates that, you know, wanting something to work out so bad, but it was meant to be. I stayed in it because my heart was a lot bigger than the my brain expanding upon looking at reality Yes, and I think we're all a work in progress And I think even something so simple as breath work for somebody breathing through your nose five minutes a day Five minutes a day put an eye mask on you do nasal breathing for five minutes a day and Darren's got

28:40Sean Callagy:He's got some clear nasal passages after having the ocean half that Atlantic Ocean But yes, five minutes of breathing through your nose a day, he's saying. And it's something that really hit, I invite you again to consider this, is what if when we become truly authentically net givers that we get a little challenge because we're looking for people to give to. And sometimes when you have a seagull with a broken wing and you take that seagull into your arm because you feel like it's in need of support, that doesn't mean the seagull with the broken wing isn't a net taker. So because somebody has had trauma, has had pain, that you can give something to them.