Jack Colback | "Ginger P*ss Biscuit"

43:32Terms and conditions apply. You mentioned no one here. Why do you think it never worked? Half struggled, didn't they, under him? with O 'Neill sorry yeah I think probably so when it's going well with him and like I said the mood in the camp everyone was buzzing he'd give days off for fun like you'd win a game on a Saturday and he'd be like right lads I'll see you Tuesday

44:04Jack Colback:and someone in the back would be like Wednesday gaffer and he'd be like yeah yeah Wednesday and he'd be like yeah and it was just that feel good factor and a bit like Gus you make the lads feel confident and enjoy training the sessions were good very basic but then I suppose when you're then losing games and there was never really a plan B it was kind of keep doing what we know and then you can get in a slump and obviously especially in the Premier League it's tough to win games and when you're losing games each one looks even harder but I think that's why when you see him now he's gone in obviously Celtic and he was struggling he's gone in there he's pretty much won every game and he'll just be doing the same thing I imagine like meetings before the game nowadays it's like clips all set out where we do in this area what we do in this area the pitch like mid third high low block all that stuff the press we'd watch games with him on a Friday and he'd just stick the game on and just play it from minute one from kick off and he'd get to a point where 20 minutes in he'd go just stop it there and rewind it back and then play it he wouldn't say anything and then carry on so you just had to re-watch it yeah he'd just watch the game yeah it's almost professionally unprofessional isn't it it's remarkable really that he's had success but he's doing it now obviously you've gone from that the old manager Nancy at Celtic who was this modern day new like learning the game on a laptop almost tactician can't win a game Martin's gone back in there and winning games again so I think he just gets the other side of it which I think we've gone from one extreme to the next now and it's all tactics tactics tactics but learn how to deal with a group of lads as well people we've heard lads who played under him at Villa and he had his boys didn't he at Villa the lads who they knew they were playing every week and you just loved them did he have any of them at Sunderland who were kind of untouchable I'd say you probably had the starting 11 and two or three others was kind of the the mainstream really it was the same starting 11 over and over again pretty much.

46:39So I suppose when you're playing games and you almost know you're going to play the next game regardless, two degree obviously if you're having five, six, seven bad games then you're going to get dragged but there was that confidence that you would play again. So I suppose for the lads playing, it was great but the ones who weren't, you probably sat down. Yeah, I mean it's nice but it's not really the best way to be is it? You know you're playing every week. Nice for you, but in the grand scheme of things. Like your hunger. Yeah. You're not fighting for your place. No, you know you're playing.

47:16Yeah, you lose that motivation a bit, because you want it fair, you want it if you're training well. But he did obviously mix it up. He was fair, but it was one of them. It was harder to get out of the team than in it. Yeah. Did you like playing left back? I didn't mind it. Yeah, I found that. I found that easier in terms of coming from being a midfielder where you're in the middle of the park, you're kind of head like that all the time, looking, you've received the ball back to goal sometimes and you're getting pressed. You don't know sometimes where the next pass is to then going there where you're receiving the ball, you've got the whole pitch ahead of you.

47:54You know you've got to pass back to your centre-half. I found it comfortable really. obviously you then got a little tricky winger

48:04Jack Colback:running at you and twisting inside out the fast ones innit yeah but I just found out you just show him inside into the midfielder let him show it and then you're alright but I probably felt less pressure there as well because almost that's not my position if I'm shit then you know I'm not a left back but I did alright really did you ever when you made that move that we spoke about before did you ever get any trouble in town or anything like that out and about because I know you say you weren't on social media but they can get to you in other ways can they? Yeah not really not really I kind of I was sensible with it I picked my times when to go out and when not to I think generally you go out in Newcastle it's the majority Newcastle fans Yeah so you know if we won a game I'd go out and you'd get you'd just get lads buzzing off you really but it's one of them I'd never go back and walk around Sunderland Town Centre or the beach down there but you probably wouldn't want to anyway really oh can I help you tell you you ginger piss biscuit

49:14Jack Colback:you can't polish a tear can you no no it was all good really you had the odd one but it was never I don't care less for stuff like that to be honest how was it walking in the dressing room did you fit in straight away it was a it was a strange one really I think it was a it was a big divide when I went there was a lot of French lads there and there was always talk of that in the cast a bit of a divide and it felt strange going in there was probably 10-11 French lads they kind of all stuck together and they had a few other little groups so I kind of understood instantly why we used to do well in the derbies when I was a Sunderland player because the mentality and the chemistry and the bond that was in that dressing room and the castle dressing room was nowhere near what we had at Sunderland.

50:08So you could see in games like that where you need lads who want it. Because technically we weren't as good. I remember my first few sessions training, I thought, I'm a bit behind, yeah. It was quick, intense, one-two touch. and I felt a bit off it and it took me a bit of time to get used to it really so in terms of talent and technical ability Newcastle were the better side but we just had that grit and determination and want to win and that's what was lacking really and you know when you almost feel like

50:48Jack Colback:the lads are speaking in French or whatever and then you hear your squad number in the talk or whatever you think he's a back roomie here you know what I mean it was kind of that sort of that sort of feel I'm trying to think of the hero which lads will that have been when you so you're talking like I think Ben Arthur it was like Ben Arthur at Goufran Orbital but to them two Goufran was one who kind of stayed when I was there for a bit longer he was a good lad to be fair and it wasn't like it was just the French lads they were causing issues but there was just that click and then a lot of them left eventually and we we signed a different criteria player and it it made it better but it was still my experience in the castle when it went a bit tough lads went missing quickly Was there nobody in that dressing room who got the authority to say well speak fucking English here?

51:52Nah probably not probably not I'm thinking like a Kevin Nolan yeah well I think that would have happened then I think that was the kind of team before wasn't it yeah and you probably you probably saw that in the way they performed and the team after that was the team I went into and it was probably that's what it was lacking yeah someone to say look this is how we want it but I've had lads who we both know sign for Sunderland and I've said to them it'll either be your best time you agree or your worst just the pure passion expectations from the fans was it like that in Newcastle did you find where did it differ I'd say the only difference the main difference is that I'd say Newcastle fans in games probably like stuck with you for longer so you know like it's Sunday you could be 20 minutes in and if you're getting beat like the fans are gone every backwards pass every sideways pass every mistake you just feel the tension so I'd say that was the main difference I think you hit the nail on the head really it sometimes one of them that if you do well there which they are now like the last must be loving it I think like for like granted Jack that's probably a completely different experience to what he's had before I know he's played at the highest level in internationally and stuff but to be at a club like that that does well especially it's just it's different What was that first trip back to Stadium of Light like?

53:29Yeah It was a tough one

53:36It's funny I didn't win a game in the derby after I left Sunderland I think I didn't lose one for Sunderland and then went to Newcastle and didn't win one but I remember we started well that game and then I went to a tackle with Katz Lee Catamull

53:55Jack Colback:and twisted my knee and I knew I'd done something but it was one of them where I was like I'm not getting stretched out or anything like that but like I was saying to the physio just I see how I am like let me have a go so I've gone off the opposite side to the dugout side of the pitch which was obviously all all Sunderland fans so I'm seeing the physiologist just give me five minutes and he's obviously felt something and gone Jack no you've done some of it yeah Did you know you'd done some of it? I felt it yeah but I wanted to carry on but he's kind of pulled rank and said no Jack come on but the problem with that is that because I've gone off game's still going I've then had to walk around from the halfway lane around the back of their goal to the dugout so it was like just like a Mexican wave of abuse where everyone was just waiting for their turn almost piss biscuits everyone get ready get ready on the marks almost like to run down and yeah made the feelings felt but I knew all that was coming like it is what it when I look back now I probably regret leaving Sunderland with that feeling towards me because I did enjoy my time there.

55:17I loved playing there. Had some good memories. Got to a cup final. So I probably would have liked to have left with the respect of the fans, I suppose, as a player, that's what you want is just to be respected from fans, from players you play with. So I probably regret that a little bit, but it is what it is.

55:39Jack Colback:You get on with it. You could have gone West Ham. Yeah, I could have. Yeah, but you know, Even just for a week. I think deep down, I reckon 90 % of them, if they really told them to do truthfully, I think they'll be sound with you. On that level, he played 150 games, whatever, busted his balls. Obviously, you fucked off Newcastle for money, didn't you? I have met a few who have been like, it is what it is, and they're being sound, but the normal fan aren't going to do that, you know. When he put the questions out, there must have been 50 people just send that video of the tackle. No questions, nothing else, just the actual video.

56:23Well, there's a picture, isn't there? There's a picture where he's stood over me, almost like he's gone through me, and I'm there stricken on the ground, wounded, concealed on the ground. But he didn't even catch me in the tackle. I just twisted my knee. it was just a coming together it was a fine tackle and he coming after and he was like oh you're okay but you stop a picture

56:48Jack Colback:and it looks like he's done me like you know what I mean hero cats done me a little a jolly twat you could have got stretched it off just for the suddenly fans just give him five minutes the worst one I've walked out obviously knee brace on and crutches and the fans are there you know you walk out and they like stand there photographs and that and they're all cheering and clapping as I might hobbling out I thought okay fair enough but I won I won their QPR last game so you know last last is home that's that I think it even the fact that when I said your favourite game for Sunderland you've said against the one against Newcastle so it's just one of them that you know you're not a massive Newcastle fan you just I don't know what I'm just trying to justify it yeah for me it was a career choice and I lived my life quite laid back blasey like it is what it is thing and if I was different I might have thought I can't do that move like said to me agent we can't do it I'll get slaughtered um but I just thought why not like and it's it's Newcastle that that that's how I looked at it professionally that was the best move for me at the time once we'd passed the situation where I I wasn't staying at Sunland anymore.

58:06There's a lot of pressure on you to perform as well. If you hadn't started off well, Newcastle fans would have been on you. Did part of you enjoy that challenge? Yeah, it's motivation, isn't it? I suppose. I felt so confident going though. I felt that's probably the most confident I've been in terms of stepping out in Newcastle shirt. But yeah, I knew I had to play well. And like I said, the first season I did well. and then the moment you start losing games regardless I think at times of how I played and I'm my own harshest critic I know when I've played well I don't need someone online to say he's useless whatever because their opinion doesn't really matter but I think sometimes I would get a lot of stake when we were losing games regardless of how I played because I was the ex-Sundon player which I understood as well but like I say a bit of an easy target yeah and there's always one or two but I mean obviously getting relegated didn't help I was just I was looking for the quote where you said you fed up with being in a relegation battle yeah it didn't happen did it now yeah nonsense yeah he's fucking doing it on purpose he's only reading

59:19Jack Colback:what's on the paper like fucking Chris Baptiste that came out though and even Gabby Logan tweeted about it she mentioned it on Twitter as well I was getting sent it and I'm like I never said it nonsense I've just said I'll have said the same things I've said yeah I'm going to Newcastle it's a good opportunity I lived there you know what I mean I had family so because it's almost like sticking the knife in yeah if you did say it it's like that's where I get what you'll go in again you stuck the knife in me you know no obviously if you didn't say it Yeah, that's what I'm not daft. You know what I mean?

1:00:02That's almost like showing a bitterness towards Sunderland, which I didn't have that. I liked the club. I liked playing there. I wasn't trying to gain fans in the castle. That was going to be based off performances. So it was them who did the bitterness and all that. Two questions on Rafa. Did he ever nick one of your prawns? And does he love chocolate ice cream?

1:00:26Jack Colback:Oh, mate, I was just going to say, as soon as you said Rafa, every away trip it might have even been every day in training I can't confirm that but every away trip you'd be sat there you'd finish it through whatever chocolate ice cream come out just for him though none of the lads would get it is it just the silver ball and a scoop or are we talking glass sprinkler sparklers all the lads are yeah sombreros on yeah it was just sometimes the vase of ice cream yeah every trip every time every opportunity he'd have chocolate ice cream strange one Gaffer is there any chance we can have some chocolate ice cream fed up with this crumble how did you find him Rafa personally because we've had lads on who said they didn't feel he was very approachable but not very personable yeah I'd say man management wise nothing at all um I was disappointed in terms of what he brought as a coach and tactically really because he came in with such a reputation of this master tactician and all that.

1:01:40I always say this, obviously, we don't see what goes on in the training ground analysis and all that and what they talk about, but in terms of on the pitch, it was just the basics. It was like he got us organized, hard to beat, But in terms of on the ball, it was just like, onto you lads. But obviously, success speaks for itself. But yeah, I was disappointed, really. And that's not, obviously, things were right for where he binned me off, put me in the 23s. That's not me having a dig because I'm bitter or anything. That's just honest opinion. I was really surprised at how kind of basic he was.

1:02:21And I think seeing him then go to Everton and struggle, now the game's changed a bit. I think back in his time when he did well he could probably like I say if you've got good players in your team that can go and win your games if you're organised enough and you know how to not lose games then it can bring success whereas now I think you get found out a bit more it's like you said you know if some you get a manager who's not a good man manager you'd expect him to be the other way tactically but it sounds like Rafa didn't do either you sound like alright lucky bastard well yeah bouncing from club to club eating chocolate ice cream I suppose I heard a story that the Champions League final that on the tactics board off time we had 12 players on the tactics board or something and they were just panicking and obviously Gerrard's got him out of the shit

1:03:14Jack Colback:and he really so but then Rafa's won a Champions League might be worth watching the video about it they have 12 on second back they got away with it for the first time in history not the AFCON final Rafa wants 12 on let him have it do you have much dealings with Mike Ashler nah nothing really I met him met him once I think when we got promoted from the champ he was there the last the last game shook his eye and he said well done yeah used to get a discount card at Flannels that was decent how much it was like 40 % you know yeah decent still not going in still spending in Flannels but a sports director instead 50 % of one of them mugs now that's a fucking deal good deal did you ever consider leaving after the relegate or was there any option leaving on relegation yeah I had a few I had a few sniffs teams in the prem as well but Newcastle just said no said no we want you to stay which I was fine with as well maybe that was a bit of naivety on my part where I should have maybe pushed for it a bit more.

1:04:29Because then if you look at in hindsight, I've stayed there, we've got promoted and then I've been binned off. But then on the other side, probably being from the area, I probably felt A certain feeling towards the club where being a part of a team that's been relegated, I should be there to help us get back up. So what happened? Because you played 34 games in that championship winning season and then with the kids the next year. yeah so obviously finished that season we then went off summer come back pre-season i hadn't spoke to the gaffer about leaving or anything he told a few lads that they could leave so i was cracking on as normal played friendlies and stuff and preparing for the next the next season and then i think it was about a week before the start of the season he pulled me in and said um i want to you to leave and he said if you don't leave you'll be with the 23s so I kind of said right okay why have you waited for now to tell me a week before the window shut I think it was actually so obviously I've scrambled a bit sport my agent had an opportunity to go to Wolves Wolves were in the championship at the time and that was the season when Nuno was there you know the season that pissed the league yeah now ruben nevers and that um and that's another one in hindsight i should have went but i think because i didn't have enough time to process it i kind of almost panicked a bit and didn't want to leave and thought i'll stay i'll fight for my place whatever you never know what might happen um window shut got sent to the kids so yeah it was just just a strange one really i suppose you go back to his man management and do you give any reasons or anything just well a reason must have been he thought i was not good no really i think they probably wanted other players in or get one out get another one in i think his point was if you're not in the squad the 25 man squad you go with the kids but because we didn't sign enough players i don't think i got named in the squad of 25 but he still sent me with the kids so that one again it's like that's wank isn't it it's just the human level

1:06:53Jack Colback:isn't it just let me get on I'll be professional I'm not going to like call shit I'm not one of them bad egg you know what I mean playing such a big part in the promotion as well yeah but I suppose that's football isn't it that's the game there's no and this is what annoys me a bit when you see lads get slaughtered for wanting to leave a club or whatever it might be it's like they've got no loyalty it's all about the money clubs are far worse the minute you're to no use to them then you are just a number on a shirt um not well not all clubs but a lot i've experienced it before and um yeah that one he even we had the squad photo and he asked me to not come to that we had hospital visits in christmas which i used to enjoy doing it was hard it was tough you know Christmas the hospital visits to see the kids and stuff but it was a real eye opener for me and it gives you some perspective in life and what's really important even that he said don't come on that so that's when it's beyond for me it's beyond football and it's beyond the professional side that's more of a human level Obviously because of your personality have you not been in locker just to turn up to the team and just sit in the middle of the front row and not move fuck you Raffer what I should and I took a bowl of ice cream shouldn't I can I sit there and see you Raffer just eating it like that but the fact that they've not even filled the 25 man squad it's just like piss poor that innit yeah I think yeah it's just it's the way certain managers do it and I think he had a he had a certain ego as well and he had to win them then battles almost it was even in training I felt it coming though because in training you know when there's there's 11 aside and there's a few players get left out I was getting left out of that and I was being sent to run with like two or three of the other lads and you just run on your own and stuff and the lads are playing so that started happening so I sensed it coming it's a tough place to be sub for the bomb squad how long did you have to grind it out for?

1:09:12so I ended up because I didn't go obviously leave I was there to the Jan so when we got promoted I got myself

1:09:22Jack Colback:a Rolls Royce Wraith which I'm not proud of I would have been it's a nice car I just love cars I've had them all I've got a guy I know who can get you a car quick you know you like that? Great deal I get you it so I've always had nice motors but I thought I'd get one you know why not it was a six month deal it was like pay monthly hand it back buy back type thing but this was before I got put up with the kids so I'm turned up to the academy and in a fucking Rolls Royce race I'm getting out what it is do I know a Rolls Royce it's like the coupe version right so like the door and side on you didn't have a driver as well did you well I didn't go that far I've got some gloves I've got an umbrella like in the side of the door so when it rained it was perfect I was sitting there a few of the lads used to say like they'd be in the gym and that they'd just see me turn up like 10 o 'clock start training at half 10 and the Rolls Royce thinking he's a prick how old were you when you signed Forrest then?

1:10:33maybe 28 29 because the amount of messages that we got from Forrest fans it was unbelievable once I filtered through the catamole tackle every other one like the Forest fans honestly they were buzzing off you weren't they club legend do you think you played your best football there or I think it was just that promotion season really I think the way we did it from coming where we were in the league bottom of the league when Steve Cooper came in I think we won one in eight games and before that I cancelled when I first signed Karanka was there Maranakis was there and the ambition was to get promoted so I went there it was a loan initially sorry mate it was a loan yeah so a loan initially to the end of the season so that was the ambition but then that season we did alright we were like just outside the playoffs I think 7th or 8th and then he got rid of Ito the owner because I think he was expecting like top 2 really and then I can't remember who came in but we then struggled a bit dropped down the league and then after that was like mid-table finishes and then the season I must have signed on a permanent I think that was the one where we started we were struggling Steve came in and then it was just like just a unique season I think where like once in a lifetime really in terms of the way the whole club just came together steve got the fans on side the stadium was filling up again he kind of he got in touch with the history of the club um and everyone just pulled in in the right direction and to do it in the playoffs as well like if i compare it to in the castle promotion that was like like i say it was a job done whereas for forest it was like just magical um so that's probably where the credit from the fans come from and obviously I live in the area now and it's it is nice because you go about and you see fans everywhere and they're just just full of praise and a lot of appreciation and it's nice to to hear and to feel really there was a lot of messages asking if you meant the goal against West Brom yeah that that's the first question on on most people I suppose if I say yes or no it's it's opinion isn't it but I suppose if you can play football and you know the game, would you ever cross a ball if you watched the goal like I crossed the ball?

1:13:12I'm going to say no. I think if anything, if I'm trying to cross it there on the volley, I'm going to kick across the ball, like side on on the ball. I've kicked obviously towards the goal.

1:13:24Jack Colback:So in my opinion, I've meant it. Yeah, I've shot. You get more than an opinion. You kicked it. Excuse me. Is that Keir Starmer? I've got a great politician for you here. It'd be fantastic. Yeah, I almost feel guilty for saying, yeah, I meant it because everyone's like, you couldn't have. But what it was, going back to the left-back thing, I was playing left-back at the time, like week in, week out by then. And the type of player I am is like, get it and give it, move the ball and all that. I ain't got a trick in my luck. And I didn't have any pace, you know what I mean? So I'd get in the left-back area and I'd be playing wall passes and one-twos, whatever it was.

1:14:00Jack Colback:and I almost get like bored in games sometimes and it was one of them where I've took the throne to Brennan he's popped it up and I've just seen it and I've just thought fuck it and I didn't expect it to go in obviously but it was one of them where yeah rest of the some say it's the greatest goal of ever seeing it City Ground but I don't really like to talk about it so much so yes is the answer you meant to yeah 100 % I thought you did hundred was he that good Steve Cooper to turn around a team a club in such a short space of time how did he do it for starters and well technically he was good he's very good knows what he's doing I think he had the mix of what I was talking about earlier in terms of that new modern day kind of You hear the phrases, the low block, the mid block and all that and the wide triangles, the wide diamonds and all that sort of stuff.

1:15:06So he had all that. He brought all that to it, but he also had the man management. He had a know-how of getting the group all together where the lads who weren't playing were with it. You know, it wasn't a case of like, they're pissed off, they're annoyed. They come on the pitch, they know the job, they know the role. and it just it was like a snowball effect of just winning games and he came in and he galvanized the group he got us confident he got us to believe really and also we just took it game by game and then it gets to a stage where you're like actually we've got a chance here and he'd have meetings he was big on on kind of the mental side and the mindset and we'd have meetings together and we'd have stuff like with a family he organized a barbecue around the playoffs time where at the training ground we all had a drink and stuff and it was that relaxed feel when it was needed but then also on the training pitch it was a maximum intensity lads and he used to always talk about an elite mentality and kind of that's what you need for success and and we all just bought into it how mad is that Maranakas

1:16:23Jack Colback:I mean speaks for itself doesn't it yeah what I would say is what he's done for the club is unbelievable really and he's got his own methods he's got his own way and I think what he can do in Greece with Olympiakos he probably thinks he can bring that here a little bit which he probably has to tone it down slightly in terms of running on the pitch and all that we've seen it now and then haven't we but I think what he's done in terms of the investment he's took the club from the Championship to Premier League and to Europe he's done unbelievable but yeah he's he's crackers isn't he like a few times when I first went we'd get told we've got a meeting at 10 o 'clock manager I didn't know about it he sat there thinking what's it about don't know then Maranakas just pops up on the screen on like a Zoom call and he's just there like basically saying unless you win games it's going to be issues so you know there like that you just see him like a gun on top of the table yeah that's going to be a show and the camera pans down to the handgun yeah so

1:17:42what I would say I think he genuinely cares for the club you see a lot of owners now and i think that the very money orientated and especially foreign owners yeah you don't think that they buy into the culture and the the of the club exactly and i think he he has a genuine care and a love for for nottingham forest and that sometimes goes beyond what he should maybe do but it's his way and he lived by it I remember saying at the time that season after he got promoted when they just signed shit loads of players, it was almost like people were looking and going, the wheels have come off before the season's even started the amount of random players that were coming in was he signing them or was the manager signing them?

1:18:32I don't know about all of them, I think the manager would have had a say the manager wanted to have a say in all of them obviously I think he brought a few in but most of them were signed by others him, I think his son has a say in it now as well, quite an important say in it which I suppose with football now is not unusual but I think that's why you see managers falling out really because it gets to a stage where as a manager you want to play a certain way you want certain players but people behind the scenes with maybe a bit less experience than they are are making decisions but yeah obviously as players as well we're seeing all these lads coming in and thinking we're going to need two buses to games you know what I mean 21 in that summer I think so but then if you look at it now it's worked hasn't it he's stayed in the league but I think he's just has an attitude where he's not bothered about an unhappy player you know you sign them out and play as if there's 10 not playing and not happy just stick them in there It goes back to what you just said before about clubs.

1:19:41Ruthless. Commodities. That's a prime example. You've got a core team there that got promoted and then it's like, right, what are we going to do to stay in the Premier League? Yeah, and you've seen that with Sunderland as well, haven't you, this season. Most of the players playing this season didn't play last season when they got promoted. It's bringing them a success, but then how much of the soul of the club in the game do you kind of replace doing that I don't know it's a balance I suppose so did you see the sacking of Steve Cooper coming well I suppose it weren't a surprise we were doing alright when when he when he got sacked but the owner just has like pure ambition so he wouldn't see Forrest survive Ivan is good at all.

1:20:39He doesn't want that. He will want Champions League and winning the title. I remember when we got promoted, he did the bonus schedule, obviously, and we tried to get a better bonus against the top six teams.

1:20:52Jack Colback:So if you win against certain teams, he just saw that as nonsense because he saw, you know, what's the reason why we can't beat Arsenal, Man U, Chelsea? He wants to compete with them. so it's not a surprise that obviously at the time it looked like Steve's doing a good job but to the owner he wasn't doing enough really Very cheaty question this ballpark figure what's the win bonus these days at a Premier League club? It depends really you've got different things on it so say you're in the top 10 if you win games and you finish in the top 10 you get more of a bonus so maybe like 10 grand a win if you're in the top 10.

1:21:36If you're in the bottom half, then it's a bit less. But then he'll also have, you're probably talking minimum eight or nine, 10 grand a week probably, a game, a win. And then he'll have a top 10 bonus or whatever it is, whatever the club wants really. So that's why I mean with Maronekas, I think we wanted a staying up one. I don't think you agree to it not bad is it? I'm just meaning because they did so well didn't they under Nuno and then again it was just a ticking time bomb when he comes on the pitch and I almost think he's too obsessed with it Do you think he's one of them that no matter how well like you said he wants to win the league in Champions League football so are you ever going to satisfy that need like you think you've done well like you said they'd be doing well and next he's on pitch anyway that's what I mean if you look at Deitchie now gone in there should keep them in the league then you'd have fear for him is it good enough going into it yeah but at the minute it's worked for him so who's to argue

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1:25:20Questions like, can I claim my SUV is my home office if I answer work emails in my car? If I adopted 12 dogs this year, can I list them as dependents? And am I doing this right or am I doing this very, very wrong? Our experts have the answers to those questions and many others. Tax Act. Let's get them over with. Did you enjoy living in London? Yeah, it was different. I feel I went through my whole career wanting to get down there at some point. I think I just enjoyed the fact that you can go into the city and you're unrecognisable, aren't you? You don't get stopped, really. And it was so different.

1:26:04Like QPR is a club, great club, to be fair. Really enjoyed my time there. I almost wished I'd gone when I was a bit younger because obviously my best days were behind me by the time I went there. And I knew my legs were going a bit. But yeah, it's a great club. but just so different you talk about the passion of like the North East Sunderland fans and stuff the feeling the stadium there is almost like a bit touristy like people probably go to London and think oh should we go to a should we go to a game of football and you've got the little group of fans that sing along and stuff but very different a lot more casual and relaxed than than what it's like up north and then even at Forest Were you there for the the hacker meeting nah nah but we I mean

1:26:58Jack Colback:like Cookie Steve Cook used to bring it up a lot to the lads because the lads were so like embarrassed about it and obviously it's on video and we just send it in the group every now and then I remember this but yeah that was before obviously that was under Gareth Ainsworth who I signed there for obviously like one one sit down meeting with Gareth if I kind of understood where that came from. It's a shame because we had him on and he just, like, who's his positivity, don't he? And when I saw it, I thought, yeah, that's... That's him all over. That's him all over. He still thought he was good, didn't he, halfway through?

1:27:39And the video pans to him and he's got a smile on his face. He's not, like, read the room thinking, oh, I'm not sure this is going as well as what I know. They do get involved near the end where they're doing it face-to-face, some of them. We'd have meetings with Gareth, like Gareth's top man like you can see why he's done well in management because he is that

1:27:56Jack Colback:feel good positive guy and stuff and he'd say things and like you know you're chuckling a bit and then someone next to you is laughing but you're thinking I can't laugh because no one else is laughing and then he'd smirk a bit and you could let it out but it was an interesting experience yeah with Gareth top man though What did you say to the ref at Bramall Lane to get sent off? Right so that one so we you know you have your meetings with the referees that come in before the season say these are the new rules this is what we're cracking down on blah blah blah and they show you the videos and that and they say like this is you're thinking how would they give that like never being but and the big thing was um showing an imaginary yellow card he said that's an instant yellow card if you do it so we are i think two one down at the time one of our lads has tackled one of theirs and i'm right next to the ref and their lads come over and he's done that ref is yellow and the the kid's just been booked five minutes before this and the ref has almost looked he's seeing him as if to say don't do that because i'm gonna have to book you and he's decided not to do it he's not sent him off so i'm i'm head lost like so he has come over and gesticulated the yellow card yeah he saw he saw it as well i've seen it i said ref it's a sending off it's a second yellow he's going jack just get on with it like so i'm fuming i'm trying to get any advantage in the game to try and come back so then two minutes later or whatever it was we've won a corner and i'd take my responsibility in this i shouldn't have gone over to the fourth official i should have left it just leave it jack it's gone but i can't so i've jogged over to the fourth and I said fourth the kids done that their lads done that and shown a yellow card we had a meeting a week ago saying it's a yellow card he's not sent him off he's not seen it the fourth has thought I'm shown and imagine a yellow card told the ref the ref then came up at me and said you're doing that because I was on a yellow he's then giving me a yellow and sent me off so like just one of them where I think this was the problem with refereeing now like listen I shouldn't have gone over at the end of the day if I don't go over I don't get sent off but the fourth should have sport the referee and said this the ref then goes understands the situation because of what just happened goes look Jack just forget it now leave it whatever but it's like they just panic and then think I need to do it and then I get sent off and I seen him a couple of weeks later and he came and apologised and said I shouldn't have sent you off blah blah blah which is obviously no good to me then that's even worse innit yeah are you going to pay my fine now then you've got to send it needless red card and then I'm just imagining a fourth official going he did that you know remember that meeting that we had last week you've got to send him off we told him yeah but the fact that you've had the interaction with the ref oh nah that's a fucking that's a cunt trick innit so the ref knows his arses fell out five minutes before yeah and then thought right I need to how does he side your sleep at night But it's the way he's trying to see, he didn't see him do it and stuff.

1:31:14And I think that's the problem with refereeing now. But I think the problem is, is the media side of it and this referee watch on Sky Sports and that they're so scared. They're so scared of making a mistake that they'd almost rather do nothing. And then it just snowballs into more mistakes. You're central of a three-man midfield. Who would you want either side of you from all the players that you've played with? I'd say John Joe, shall we? Even though I'd have to do extra running because he doesn't run. That's what I used to say. I used to say, like, in the cast, I was the runner and he was the player.

1:31:54Yeah, because John Joe, in terms of passing ability and vision and all that, best I've seen in terms of, like, natural ability with a ball, 20 yards, 60 yards, 70 yards. He's a joke. Left of me, Gini Minaldom not a bad one is it maybe what about him then you've got you go back you've got like Steve Malbronk ball was ending top players man we used to do like British for your foreign and training on a Friday and we used to get absolutely popped every week because you had them Steve Malbronk didn't seem you know how box you'd have like you ate on the outside two in the middle never seen him give it away never went in the middle he was so good so good and outside looking in he's just a run-of-the-mill premier league player in a year yeah you know all right what i'm trying to say yeah but that's what that's so for me now i'm in between now with the premier league is it the best it's ever been right in terms of talent wise

1:33:04Jack Colback:and ability or is it just advertised the best now because they see people like steam out bronc right even uh stephan sesignan when he was about you'd look at them and think average player but they were honestly top like in training that's when you'd see you'd see it in training when when you're there every day but now it's like players are talked up now and i just think i watch it i think that's not the same I don't feel it's the same I think now there's a lot of it's littered now the Premier League with a lot of good players there's probably more good players now than there was back when I was playing but in terms of the world class you go through the teams now the Man U the Chelsea like back in the day you know like you go through Chelsea's team Drogba John Terry Lampard Hazard Robben all that like who's the one that you played against when you thought he's on a different planet I've had a few

1:34:12I'd say the I played against Rooney he played midfield once I played against him in the middle did not get near him for 90 minutes he was pinging balls left right and centre just thought I don't deserve to be on the same pitch and the other time I felt that way was against Man U again it was Giggs and Scholes in the middle average age of about 60 and the same again just the full game did not get any of them they were just three passes ahead almost and yeah like joking aside they were back ends of the career Giggs was probably 40 year old and just a different level but I remember Dwight York at Sunderland he was there 35 years old ripped to shreds like the best fittest lad in the team and I remember thinking he is so good touch finishing passing like he was 35 playing defensive mid in the Premier League and he was just unbelievable and I think that's when you realise the levels and like I've played in the Premier League of course but I've never been near the the top and I think that's when you sit back and you think and for the lads to stay at the top as well it takes the discipline and all that and you've got to respect that Now the football question is out of the way three Sunday afternoon you're in a local boozer in wherever you're surfaced up here or are you taking three lads lads I've played with or yeah I'm going to say Kieran Clarke, Bombscare.

1:36:05Entertainment's officer then. And security?

1:36:09Jack Colback:Eh, not so much. No. Not so much. I'd go probably Grant Anley. Security? Yeah. And entertainment. Did he ever get you with a chewing gum in the air? Have you seen that? No, I don't think so. What's that one? It just sticks juice. Bits of chewing gum on people's ears and they don't realise you've got about eight. He was odd, stuff like that. You know, the odd stuff in the dressing room as well. Yeah, he did have that in him. The amount of pictures that have been taken and there's one lad just got eight Wrigley's stuck to his look. I've got a clue. I'm not sure how you can. Honestly, you can't feel it.

1:36:50Just a little bit. Yeah, like balls like that. And he'll just go like, you know, as if you're saying hello. Ah, are you all right? it are the bastards

1:37:02Jack Colback:you never see that no I didn't I remember one Christmas day he was dressed as a yeti speaking of balls and he'd rip the bottom and he was just these bollocks are just hanging out the bottom so imagine the scene in a boozer in in London and big yeti there Grant and his testicles are just hanging out drinking a Guinness

1:37:24is that two? that's two yeah last one And I'd say John O'Shea probably just to get us home. Sensible Steve? Yeah, you need one, don't you? You need one. Would he not have a drink? Yeah, he would. Would he just... But not to that level, yeah. He had to be. He would skip, you know. I'm going to give you four. I'm going to give you Steve Cooper for knockdowns. You know, with the women. But you could pull them, Steve. Try and see him naked after. Yeah.

1:37:57What's the plan, mate? What are you thinking for the future? I'm not sure, really. Trying to sort my coaching badges out. Do you like to stay in it, football? Yeah, to some degree. Maybe not professionally. I think I'd like my badges just to have them. But then I think it's a big commitment in terms of time and all that. And what I've enjoyed since I've stopped playing is time with the kids. seeing them as much as I do and experiencing a bit of a difference. Not that obviously football's nine to five, you know, I'm not crying it in here, but it's the away trips and the midweeks and all that. You miss birthdays, Christmases, all that sort of thing.

1:38:41So I've enjoyed that. But yeah, I'd like to get back involved in it. You do miss it. You miss that, the banter with the lads. You miss the purpose and having something to do. And then also just like staying fit, really. You take that for granted, I think, as a player. It's a job to be fit, but when you're not playing anymore, it's like you've got to do it yourself almost. Some of you do. Some are better than others. Oh, you're set up. Yeah, we'll see. I don't know. A bit of media maybe. I suppose you never know what's life to you. I think we might have been done here on this one. Ask JC how he got on at the National Water Sports Centre in Nottingham

1:39:28Jack Colback:Right, okay That must be from someone who knows me by the way If they're going JC Yeah, because it's a story that I've not put out to the public really So anyway, I used to have a dog, Labrador I used to take him out all the time used to take him to regular spots spots on you so I've obviously decided to go somewhere different I've looked online, found this place like a big lake, I thought I've got there so I'm just walking around it, the dog was like, I trained the dog myself, he was quite good, he'd come back on a shout generally all the time so I'm walking him around anyway, it's going to plan as normal, he's then just shot, shoot it off into like through these bushes I'm like Milo Milo here boy and got a biscuit and that and he's not coming back and then come out Milo nothing again and then I've just heard a splash I'm thinking oh for fuck's sake so I've gone through the bushes it's like rapids river rapids he's jumped into and bear in mind he's a Labrador retriever they were brought up to swim out to boats and bring stuff back and that.

1:40:48Jack Colback:So naturally, go to swim. He's just there in the water, sailing down, floating down, looking at me as if to say, help. Any fucking chance, Dad? Yeah. So I'm there, fully clothed. I'm thinking, what do you do here? I'll either leave him to it or I'm going in. So my phone's come out. I've jumped in. Obviously not knowing how deep it is and all that. So I've got to him. I'm thinking, right you're the swimmer here you're the swimmer now i've got you he's all of a sudden i turned into a human where he's he's shitting himself and he's like putting his arms here his legs arms and the other ones like wrap around me but he's like clawing at me so i'm almost like holding him like a like a baby something right so i get him to the side but the side like to get out is probably that high so i'm trying to reach up but i've got him like almost attached to me i can't get up with him with me because he's too heavy and wet yeah and wet so i'm in the rapids i'm holding on one arm and holding him he's getting heavier and heavier he's then like he's scratching me and stuff like this i'm kind of assessing my options a bit so i'm looking like down it's the rabbits are like proper as well like you if you go down you're going under and all that so i turn around i look up and about 20 yards up there's like a way to almost get out or dip down a bit so i thought i'm trying to pull myself upwards i can't do it it's too strong the current so this was like 25 minutes in at this stage no one's walking by and i'm starting to get cold I'm like shivering and I'm thinking when you see the stories online of like man woman dies whatever like and I'm always saying how do you do that man you must be an idiot and I'm there thinking this this is it I'm that guy a little bit yeah so it got the point where I'm thinking it's all right I'll get out at some point too I can't get out unless I let him go so I'm kind of you know I I never thought I'd let him go, obviously.

1:43:09Jack Colback:You know, I'm a good human. So I just got to the stage where I had to start shouting for help. So I'm there, holding on, going, help! Never mind I played for Forrest at the time.

1:43:26Jack Colback:So I'm there with the dog, the dog's still on me, shivering. Help! Eventually, some guy comes along with a fishing rod. he must have been fishing further downstream he's gone oh do you not know the area around here then I said no mate I don't I'm in the fucking river do you know what I mean no I don't he said oh can we finish this conversation when you've got me out please what happened on Saturday but he's gone oh why don't I'll tell you what I'll I'll stick my rod down you just come on to it I'll pull you up I said mate that's not going to happen like I'm I'm 80 kilos the dog's heavy like so he's gone right I said I'll lift the dog up to you and then I'll get out so I'm obviously getting him up I get him up eventually but then as I've done that the dog started like almost going at him growling and that so I'm like Milo stop it now stop it the biscuits are soggy you can't give him a biscuit but anyway I end up getting out so I get out so yeah that was the story essentially nearly lost my life in the river.

1:44:38Jack Colback:But the worst part was where I've parked up, it was a bit like the Sunderland walking around the stand when I'm on the other side of the lake. So I've got to walk all the way back round. Soggy sock. Soggy wet through. People walking past looking at me as if to see like, what's going on there? I didn't go back. Did you get your phone back? I'd drop my phone on the side but then obviously when I've gone in the water if I had it I could have rang for help really so I probably should have kept it on me but yeah interesting one that's a good one that they're not usually good ones the question that must be someone I know one of the physios I'd guess it one guy because he always used to bring it up from that just grab me a fishing rod the thing is fishing rods are like they're in three pieces as well so if you grab the end that's coming off yeah that's what I mean but glad he went to find to be honest not from around here they want to pull what's that big river up here called Tyne they wouldn't have got pulled out of that by a few wouldn't you leave him kicking him in pass his dog and then just kick him in oh cheers man thank you very much man sorry it's so late

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