Kemar Roofe | The Roofe is on fire

25:28Were there other clubs in for you? At the end of the season, I think it was, again, Brentford and Leeds. To be honest, I was a bit disappointed that a Premier League team wasn't interested because some of the goals I was scoring that season were very good. And also I was scoring against championship teams in the cup games as well. So I was a bit disappointed and gutted that a Premier League team didn't come in.

25:53Kemar Roofe:but then Brentford and Leeds come in and I went with Leeds How was Gary Monk? Yeah, it was okay I've started to be able to read people doing this job Gary Monk Yeah,

26:12Kemar Roofe:no, it was an interesting season we always started well and then just fall off towards the end of the season for some reason and then obviously I think there was a change of owner at the time as well so there was a lot going on at Leeds Was it a time when it was quite toxic in the stands? I think it would have been because that was when Chilino was still the owner and I think the fans were kind of having a bit of a falling out with him and then I think the following season they had to take over I remember watching on the telly and it just players getting stick everything was off Ah, yeah, they can give some serious stick.

26:53Kemar Roofe:Everyone got it. It's just how you respond from it. I got it at one point. Did you? Chris Ward's top goal scorer of the league. He still got it. He was the one that was getting shit. He was getting... The season he got the move to the... Was it Burnley? Yeah, Willoughby. To the Prem. That season, I think he was the league top goal scorer. He was still getting it. I don't want to be a Tommy Topper, but... You know, if you're looking for your first goal, you only got a hashtag. I got a designated full account, Twitter account, has Chris Brown scored yet? You got Pray For Roof. The hashtag. Yeah.

27:32Kemar Roofe:I got my own. There's a bit of hope there, isn't there? Exactly. That's what I mean. I was getting it. Obviously, I come. Did you do that? No, I hope not. So, yes, I mean, maybe I come there with an expectation of them. I was going to score loads of goals because of what I did the previous season. But again, I was playing out of position, playing left wing, chalk on the boots. You had to stay out there. It was a strange way. The way we played was a bit strange. Didn't suit my style. And it was getting to the point where I was playing a game and I wasn't scoring. I wasn't scoring. It was kept rolling.

28:10Kemar Roofe:Did that, were you on your mind as well then? Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Goes back to what we were saying before about playing with freedom. that freedom goes doesn't it when you start doubting yourself and especially when you're not getting loads of chances either maybe you're getting one a game if that and you're missing it then you're counting how many games I haven't scored when is it coming when is it coming and finally it came up I think it was against Villa and yeah it was a good feeling count yourself lucky mate because mine bloody didn't come the couch still going Still gets 14 likes a Saturday.

28:51Every Sunday, I'm like, no. Ten years later. But the thing is, with that, it is what it is. As soon as you can accept it and not let it eat you up and you can rise above it and prove them wrong, that's when I think you get the serious respect from the fans. And there was times where I'd be getting sick and I would score and I might, it's a bit silly, but I might just do, put my fingers in my ears or something like that to the fans. They know why I'm doing it because they've given me loads of stick. But then after that, it was like the perfect relationship between us. It was like I earned so much respect from them because they gave me stick.

29:37I proved them wrong. I gave them a bit back. And then there was like, okay, fair enough. Just a quick message to say a huge thank you to O 'Neill's, they were sponsoring us for their third series. We're here at one of the flagship stores, we're going to go in and have a look and see what it's all about. All of the stuff is locally manufactured, we've got factories in Northern and Republic of Ireland, it just allows for premium, quality, quick delivery, all custom team kits. it's not only from for the big dogs at the top grassroots football all the way up like I said Chris the quality is fantastic O 'Neill's themselves have been brilliant for us to work for aren't they yeah I mean the lads the lads who are at we sponsored me personally from up from here they absolutely buzz off it you can see our kids here yeah oh I I'm saying that I will buy that Did you?

30:37Yeah. Not just cos it's hard, I just think it's a really nice stretch. Go from... He's knocked his head off. He's knocked his head off. And don't forget the link is in the description. You can sort your own team out, sort your grassroots team out, and get one of these beauties. Link's in the description for both of them. Massive thanks to O 'Neill. Head loss.

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33:00With your own VAR, like screen under your arm. You're still writing letters about them when the game got postponed, aren't you? Because they want a long pitch and you're screwing too. Come on, lads, give me back. Good lads at Leeds in that when you first arrived. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Made you feel welcome. Yes, yeah. Saul Bamba, obviously. It's sad what's happened to him, but he was the captain at the time and what a guy he was. Proper character. Made you feel welcome. looked after everybody. Especially, I was kind of going in as a fairly youngish, new to the same player as well. So, yeah, he helped.

33:45Do you know that season under, is it Christensen? Christensen and Heck and Bottom?

33:49Kemar Roofe:Yes. I've got you finished 13th. Did you know with the group of players that you had, you should have been up there? Or was it a case of purely down to Bielsa coming in, his methods and stuff that got you up there? Again, that season, we always got ourselves up there looking like we could get promoted. But then towards the end of the season, we just drop off for some reason and fade away. What do you think that was? I honestly really don't know. Every season it was like that, dudes. I don't know. I'm not sure. I wish I knew. like you know around Christmas time or the January window was the no investment you know to give you a do you know what it was one of the seasons I think it was perfect example would have been the season we lost in the playoffs to Derby in that January window we was about to sign Dan James and we need we felt that we really needed that little push that little something else just to get us over the line.

34:57And he would have given us that

34:58Kemar Roofe:with his pace and everything like that. I'm sure he was even at the training ground. Yeah, he did the old and wiggy, didn't he? Yeah. On the leads and then... Literally, he was about to sign. And I think if he signed, we would have got promoted that season for sure. What changed for you personally that second season? Because you just talked about the struggle in that first season, only getting three goals and then top goal scorer year after. So because I got changed to the number nine. Again, Thomas Christensen was the manager. Again, still getting played out wide. Chris Wood had left. We signed a striker or two.

35:35They both got injured. It was against Sunderland. I think the striker got injured during the game at Sunderland. And then I got moved as a number nine and done well and then stayed there. And finally, it was like, again, frustration. I'm getting played out of position. But then out of luck, I got played as a number nine.

35:58Kemar Roofe:I was able to show what I could actually do. Remember the first time you met Marcelo? Yes, I think it was in the meeting. In the meeting when we met him. Were you all buzzing when he announced that he got the job? Me personally, I didn't have a clue who he was. That's how I'd say. My agent was like, telling me he's got some good pedigrees, this and that. He knows what he's doing. This will be interesting. So I said, okay. I didn't have a clue, if I'm being honest. So he's just walked into the meeting? Walked in the meeting and then bamboozled all of us with his tactics. We all left the meeting scratching our heads like, what is going on here?

36:45I'm going to take some work this, Marcello. So it's obviously coming to use via a translator, I'm guessing. Yes. Yeah, a translator. So he would talk, then the translator would translate, but not always getting the correct translation either. So it was even more confusing.

37:03Kemar Roofe:Fucking hell. Yeah. And what was the biggest difference, or why were you all bamboozled? He put up a presentation of how he wants us to play, and also training sessions. So before every training session, we'd have a meeting and it'd be like a PowerPoint presentation of what we're doing in this session today. So we already knew, by the time we got on the pitch, we already kind of had an idea of what the exercises would be. And it was, I don't think you understand how many one-two combinations there is in football. If you could, you lot are looking at me all confused right now. There's so many combinations of one twos and we didn't even know.

37:48And this is pretty much all we worked on in the session. It's all we used to train, one twos. And it was one twos, sprint, one twos, sprint. And if you didn't sprint full speed after you'd done the pass, you'd be shouting at you. So when you say one twos, you literally mean one, two, like the pass and return. Yes. That's right. I'm just thinking if one twos is something else that I'm not getting, it sounds that simple. That's what I'm saying.

38:11Kemar Roofe:Yeah. What he brought to us was, how I'm explaining it sounds complicated, but how you've just said, it's just a one-two. He's made the game so simple. He's made the game so simple, but trying to learn it and understand it was the difficult bit. But once you understood it, it was simple. It's just a one-two. But he put out about 10 different versions of a one-two, round cones, and that's all he was doing in training. So it's obviously because you're not going to get it back all the time but this is thinking it's an option for the player receiving the pass, you know what I mean? We could do a one-two but then you can't always get another one-two in but it's the option around the ball for the fella that's...

38:56But it was more the fact of you're passing to me, you need to now move into a space to then receive another ball because when we was playing you wouldn't really see many people or any of us take players on the ball would do the job for us you'd get say for example Ayling at the time he would play into a midfielder and he would be on his bike already and he would receive the ball again down the wing and other teams would hate it because they couldn't cope it they couldn't keep up with us because we would always be running and that was because of the training sessions and do you know on that one say obviously Luke's playing right back if he plays it into midfield sprints forward and the midfielder gives it away and Luke's winger gets in, is that not Luke's fault?

39:43Most of the time, their winger would try and follow Luke anyway. But we would have, say like a Calvin Phillips, we'd always have a spare man at the back to cover. That was the plan. So another thing is, I never knew formations or I didn't understand formations growing up because we'd play 4-3-3, but during the game, it felt like a 4-2-2 anyway, 4-4-2. There was no actual reason why we was doing formations, but with Bielsa, we knew why we was doing a formation and it made sense. And we would, during the week, if we was playing, say, Stoke, Stoke might have played six formations this season. So we would train six formations, their six formations.

40:33so when it comes to the game we would know how to set up against them so when it's a kick-off within the first 30 seconds we could adjust our shape to match Stoke's shape without him saying anything because we knew if they had one striker one number nine Calvin Phillips could play a bit higher and we'd play with like two tens if they played with two strikers Calvin Phillips would have to drop in between our centre-backs and then one of our tens would have to play as a six. Would you have a one where hopefully they don't do that? So you'd have a favourite set up and then would be another one where we're like, for fuck's sake, we've got to...

41:14Kemar Roofe:Ideally, it'd be for them to play one up top because it means we'd play with two tens. We'd have more buddies up top. But either way, it's fair. We still play the same way. It's just that we'd always have a cover at the back. So that was Bielsa's main thing. He always wants one spare man at the back. Do you think we're like a young, Neville and Carragher me and him analysing the game get the screen on Matt he will have a basher on the counter it's a bit fucking complicated for me this is nothing going to work under me this is what I'm saying when he come in it was something completely new we didn't understand we'd never experienced it before and so we was all confused but then when we learnt it it was so simple and it made so much sense it wasn't really very enjoyable training it but it nearly got us the success we needed in that season and it got them the following season.

42:02Can you remember coming out of that first meeting? Obviously you've gone in to put your boots on to go out and train and whatever. The lad's just like, who the fuck's this? What? Is he fucking talking about this guy? Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Everyone's confused. And then how long until you were like, fucking hell this is...

42:19Kemar Roofe:So that first pre-season, we didn't see him for two weeks. He said he's not coming out until he's got his full squad, everything he needs, he's not coming out on the pitch until then. So the first two weeks We didn't see him. His coaches took everything anyway. Obviously, they're coaching what he wants of. Oh, yeah, of course. And he'd be watching on the cameras. I'm assuming he had his own fitness coach because any sports science team that were already there must have been pulling their hair out. I think the physios weren't his, so I think they were pulling their hair out, but all the other members of staff were all his fitness coaches, so they knew.

42:55Even at times, the fitness coach was like, this is crazy, but you couldn't do nothing. Was there a spell, you know, because you finished top scorer of the season before and that season under Bielsa, but was there a time when you actually thought, I've gone up a level here. I feel fitter.

43:11Kemar Roofe:There was times when I was playing and centre-backs were talking to me. They were like, please just stop running. Just stop. In games? In games, yeah. So just stop running. Please, please. Because I'm literally just running all over them, running here, running there, doing this and that, and they couldn't keep up with us. And he said, like, can you stop? Sorry, man. Yeah, go on, man. Was that something that you've added to your game? Are we always hard working or had you gone up again? No, I was always hard working. Again, I go back to when I was younger with my dad. We put the work in. We was always training.

43:45We was training with the team. Then we do our own extras. So I'm always used to hard work. but with this running it was like sprint, sprint, sprint and sometimes it was nice just seeing the opposition not handling it one bit so like throwings we'd be running running, running it'll go out for throwing and a lot of times teams and players that's when they rest we'd get the ball in so fast and they'd be trying to rest and there's no rest for them free kicks hand on play no rest at all and is that his that's the way he wants to work on that because we're fitter we know we're fitter and we are fitter than other teams we can do it but they can't do it so that was one of our

44:32Kemar Roofe:reasons why we were successful because they couldn't live with us fitness wise it was so simple I know yeah well he's not even a genius at all is he one twos one twos and just run about but that's the thing it's genius because it's so simple but no one thinks about doing it and can you remember did anybody just like put their hand up and say look it's not for me this I can't do it yes and no obviously I don't think many players enjoyed doing it because it wasn't fun we never played any possession games in training we never played any five-a-side small-sided games in training we didn't do any simple finishing exercises our finishing exercises were technically passing drills so we'd be set up in our shape with mannequins of the opposition and it would be the centre-backs would play it to the full-back, the full-back would give it to the midfielder, the midfielder would have to chip it over the mannequin for the striker to run on, control it and shoot.

45:33But while all this is happening, everyone would have to do double runs. So we'd have to sprint to a cone, sprint back and then sprint to receive the ball all in time. and if, for example, a player misplaced the pass, that's your goal done. You didn't even get a shot at the end. There's times when I went home and I didn't even have a shot because people misplaced the pass. It unbelievable. Just ran. Yeah, just ran. Did the run, did the movement

46:03Kemar Roofe:and didn't shoot. Did you sit on a bucket in training?

46:09Kemar Roofe:Possibly. Not that bucket, but maybe like one of them. I've got a match to do one. Yeah, match day bucket. They did a special match day one for that, yeah. I think I said that to Baz, but on about that shooting thing, there was the video, wasn't there, when he's running? I don't know if it was you or Bamford, maybe, when he's... Yeah, Bamford, yeah, it was Bamford. Was that a typical shooting drill? Yeah, that was it. That was a shooting drill, yeah. That was the only... That was a shooting drill. There was no traditional shooting drills where it's a bit of fun, this and that, no, that's it. So, honestly, there's times when I've gone home, I haven't took a shot.

46:43haven't scored, haven't taken anybody on, haven't done any possession of anything. But you've burned a few calories.

46:50Kemar Roofe:I've burnt calories. Obviously, I don't... Could he speak English? He could. I think he could if he really wanted to. Could you have any crap with him? You know, like, you go down for a coffee in an hotel before an away game and you're just you and him. Could you have a chat with him or...? No, no, no. But he had the aura where it was kind of like you respected him not to bother him. But his main thing was he kept himself apart from the players because he didn't want a relationship with any of the players because he didn't want, say for example, if I had a bad habit that I didn't like, he didn't want that emotion to affect him choosing me to play.

47:38So there was a player, I won't say his name but there was a player in the team his attitude it was all about him it was he'd throw in his hands he'd do this and that he'd complain but because he was the best in his position his numbers would show this he would always play but if it wasn't very good there's no chance he would play he'd get rid of him I should have worked out what that could have been I know I wonder because Benitez Rafa Benitez gets a bit of stick on here for being completely separated from his players but I wonder if there's a bit of that involved with Benitez as well. It makes sense because, again, if...

48:14Just taking the emotion out of it. You take the emotion and the personal side out of it. It's just business and the facts. If you're a good player, you're a good player, you should play. But if you've done something to upset me and annoy me, I might not play you just because of that. But it shouldn't work like that. Whereas him, he kept his distance, let his staff handle everything day to day. He would tell them what to do and that was it. if we're going to have a quick break with a message from one company would you like it to be I think I'd like it to be NordVPN please if that's alright with you too it's fine for me is it ah brilliant our favourites NordVPN if you're not using it what are you doing tell you what it is good for as well now with these new laws

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51:12Apply for Apple Card now and use in minutes with Apple Pay. Subject to credit approval, Apple Card is issued by Goldman Sachs Bank USA, Salt Lake City Branch. Terms and more at applecard.com. Were you playing the game against Villa? No, I didn't play that game. The goal? Yeah. Yeah. Were you in the changing room after? I was, yes. Big Pontus going mad? He was going mad, yes. And Bielsa wasn't happy that he was doing that. Did they let him know? Yeah. I was just about to say, what's the biggest individual bollocking you ever saw him give? Ooh. Does he give that direct or is it to his translator then?

51:57He gives it.

51:57Kemar Roofe:So what his thing was, he wouldn't just stand still and talk. He would walk up and down the dressing room and he would look to the ground and he'd be talking. So he'd be walking up and down the dressing room, head to the floor, talking, screaming, whatever he's doing. And the translator would be somewhere translating it. You're getting a ball looking off too, aren't you? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Shut the fuck up. I know what he's trying to say. I'm not a jittery. You know what I mean? It's like watching TV with Saan guy on there. Yeah, yeah. He's stood in corner. you're all a bunch of bellens yeah but he was big on weight as well so we'd have to weigh ourselves every day and everything and write our scores down on the sheet he'd put the sheet up on the wall even for match days it was the same the sheet would go up on the wall scales would be there in the dressing room say if we lost or had a bad game his first thing would be he'd go into the dressing room and he'd look at the sheet and see who's overweight and then he'll blame are we talking a pound like pounds or ounces anything if he's not If you're not on the number you're supposed to be, you're overweight.

53:02So he would blame the performance and the result on that. And most of the time, it was Calvin Phillips that was technically overweight. But I think it was harsh because some of the weights that a lot of the players had were unrealistic. Who chose the weights? That's what I mean. I don't know. I think they just got plucked out of thin air. And there was no way that people could get down to this weight. Players were starving themselves, eating clean, and still couldn't get down to that weight. So, probably myself included, I've played with players who have lost weight and felt like shit. Yeah. Would he not be interested in that?

53:37Not interested. Gaffer, I've lost three, four kilos, I feel like shit when I'm playing. He'd not be like, oh, sound.

53:44Kemar Roofe:Not interested. Like with Calvin, for example, I think he got given an unrealistic weight that he'd get down to, so he'd always say he's overweight, but he'd be playing so well. he'll play so well so and he was the fittest there as well in the team you tell him he could run for days bleep test he'd win it but they're saying he's overweight so it doesn't add up so he'd go in straight away and you'd see he was overweight most of the time he would have been one of the ones that was just because he couldn't get down to that level so he'd always kind of blame him do you think there's a bit of psychology there though that he saw him as that like in the centre of the engine room and just clipping at his heels give him that unrealistic weight so he's constantly working trying to prove him maybe yeah trying to reach that weight and then improve his fitness wouldn't surprise me because he be honest he's a genius he's so something like that it was probably all thought through it was probably there was a method to the madness probably but if you play I don't know you play you get a good win 3-0 away would Calvin not be like I'm exactly the same way as I were last week when we got beat 2-1.

54:58Give us a pound.

54:59Kemar Roofe:Yeah. Yeah. All the players would have these sort of comments, but who'd they turn it to? Would nobody ever say up to him? No chance. No chance. No one's going up to him. You only saw him when he wanted to be seen. It's like an enigma, innit? Dracula. But you took it to the fitness coach and you'd be like, fuck it, I've scored two of you. And I'm exactly the same way I were last week. You know, the fitness comes from now, he'll just laugh. There's nothing I can do about it. Is he like a... I don't know if this is a word, is he like a dictator? Like Kim Jong-un. Are his staff scared of him? Yeah, but they're scared of him, but they respect him.

55:38You see, like, how I can think of it is like, you see like an old school family and the head of the family, the dad, everyone just respected him because he's the oldest and he's the head of the family. he was that to his staff he was the oldest everyone's respected him and also he used to pay the wages as well so he used to pay some of the staff's wages not Leeds it was him so again

56:03Kemar Roofe:you kind of once someone's paying you have to you do have to I suppose I suppose I can get over it what's so like the Leeds would give that said the fitness coach a contract for 50 grand a year and he'd pay another 25 a year for that I don't know the ins and outs but maybe some of the staff weren't even getting paid by Luz they were getting paid directly from him he had so many members of staff was his delivery of instructions quite disrespectful I just got I've got him like clicking his fingers or just pointing over telling him to do you know what I mean rather than yeah because he knows he's paying the wages and got that respect I think I think it's more just the generation is from, the era is from.

56:54But again, there's only so much I can say as well,

56:57Kemar Roofe:because I had to sign one of those forms that you can always say, you can't really talk about X, Y, Z. He watches these as well. He probably does, yeah. Someone will probably watch it. We've got to try to figure it out, but there's many stories out there, but there's only so many I can say. The Darby stuff was brilliant though, from an outsider. the spy you must have been pissing yourselves as players yeah and it's even funnier I won't say funny but it's even more interesting now me being at Derby and understanding their side of things and what happened on that side but we didn't have a clue what was going on but we'd go into all these meetings before the game and it'd be like this player's not playing this player's playing this is going to happen so I was like okay is this throughout the season throughout the season random game I thought does he know You know, sometimes I might know someone in the other team and they might give me a little information and I would use it.

57:54So I'm thinking it might be something like this. So we're just going on. We're just not putting anything together. And then this Derby thing happened and it all just clicked. It made so much sense. Because we were like, how does this guy know everything about the opposition? You're thinking he's God, aren't you? He just knows everything.

58:13Kemar Roofe:He knows everything. How is it possible? So how are they actually doing it? Was he literally just sending someone to training like with a ladder and some binoculars? With a camera, I think, and just filming the session. It's so simple again. It's so simple nobody's done it before. One, two's turning up the camera. And were you doing this before, obviously, it came out about a dad, but do you think he's doing this before every game? Every game he's doing it, every game. So there's somebody going to Plymouth, say what? Every game he's been doing it. I think he's been doing it for his whole career.

58:43Kemar Roofe:That's where he came out and he was like, yeah and what old school camera as well not even a drone but I think the the person that got caught I think there was times when he got chased out of training grounds oh it's the same guy I don't know if it's the same guy maybe it might be but I think with the Derby one he messed up because he parked outside the old people's home and it was the old people in the home that rung the police because he's parked outside the a property where you shouldn't have parked, in a full jumpsuit, a laptop camera and a spade. A spade? It's on the way down. It's on the way down.

59:27So I'm thinking - You're kind of a man on a fucking mass murder or what? Not the jumpsuit. So I think you're gonna have to go on that one, sir. I'm just thinking of a great escape. You know, like they're doing rondos, the next minute a show hook of cops running. You never know when you're going to need one though, do you? We're full foot short! We're full foot short! Oh gosh. Can you imagine the old deer and the things? Like, looking out at Winder at all people's home. Yeah.

59:55Kemar Roofe:Rung the police. Police come and then, yeah. He's coming up with a cord on his head. It's actually mad that he only got caught the once really then, innit? I think, yeah, he nearly got caught before, got chased out, but no one knew what was going on maybe. But this time he obviously got, actually, they got him. I'd give it if it was 20 years ago because anybody could turn up at the training ground like Punders could watch but I think a lot of training grounds you used to be at they were private yeah I think a lot of times I think them I just thought it was a super fan maybe trying to watch they didn't really know what was going on can I just please just turn it up because you know there's old people have rang because there's a guy in a jumpsuit with a shovel and they're like and he's come out in a ghillie suit and they're like what are you doing?

1:00:39I'm arresting you on a suspicion of watching training. Yeah. I'm just filming this training session. Why? It's fucking class, isn't it? Yeah, funny. What would be his job title? Did he always have, was it just a warm fire? You know what?

1:00:57Kemar Roofe:I don't even know who it was. Enigma. Nobody knows who it is. Fucking Dale and Jackal in it. I'm not sure who it actually was. I can't remember. But there's so many staff there. There was video, loads of video analysis people. There was a member of staff for equipment. That was the first time I've seen this. There was a staff there just to do equipment. So he would get given the training plan of how to set up the drills over three pitchers. And he would have to go out and put all the cones out. If one cone is out by, I don't know, one foot, he would have a go. To be fair, he has got one job, hasn't he, the fella?

1:01:38Just put your cones out right pal.

1:01:40Kemar Roofe:Measure it properly. One day, but it was like, the amount of cones they must have used over three different pitches. But we'd used to do that with Billy Bard, didn't we? Yeah. So Billy Bard would be putting his pitch out and be on his knees, shredding it up. And as soon as we got out, we'd just move a couple. You know what I mean? Well, that sort of crack went off. No chance. No chance. No chance. Because we felt sorry for it. If Nelson was going crazy at the guy, we'd feel sorry for it. I can't imagine being great coming to have an evening. He's not bothered, is he? Well, there was times when he would walk to training ground.

1:02:13Kemar Roofe:Yeah, he'd walk to training ground, he'd just have a plastic bag, like a plastic Tesco bag with all his belongings in it, in his full Leeds tracksuit, and he'd just walk back home. Obviously, he's Bielsa in Leeds, he's like the god towards the fans. Yeah, and he would just go to all the coffee shops. There was one time, pre-season game, he travelled himself in a separate car to us, we finished the game and there was a McDonald's on the outside of the the stadium he was in McDonald's getting his food oh I like him a bit more he just walked into McDonald's straight after the game he walked into the McDonald's to get food and obviously it's all over social media that he's in there didn't care didn't bother him obviously didn't give yourself a weight then he's a big Mac man isn't he milkshake

1:03:04what was he like he's getting some mozzarella He's getting some mozzarella sticks in here with his big map meal. Get a side or two. What was he like, the lad? How do you pronounce it? Alyoski.

1:03:17Kemar Roofe:Alyoski. So he was the one that didn't get injured. He was the only boy that didn't get injured. I remember him. Was it the Derby when he was shaking the tunnel? Where was it? Yeah, he was. You see those kids, you know, the ones in school that just cause riot. Yeah. The little ones that just cause carnage. He was that guy. They're always little, aren't they? Yeah. Yes, yeah, yeah. That was him. But obviously you had to behave in training. Yeah, no, everyone behaved in training. It was more just after pitching the dressing room and you'd just be messing about and having fun. Would you still be allowed to have a bit of crack in the dressing room and that?

1:03:50Kemar Roofe:Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, that's the thing. The dressing room and the training ground was all ours. We never saw him. When he'd come, he'd got an apartment built in the training ground. He'd also got dorms built. so a massive room full of beds with curtains and everything so we can go and have a sleep in there after training or whatever if you want was that optional if you wanted to yeah it was mainly for pre-seasons so instead of us spending we we used to in the first time we used to go to a hotel around the corner in pre-season so for the first week or two instead of going away and tour we'd just stay at the training grounds go to the hotel come back we wouldn't go away because he didn't see the point in it.

1:04:35So then he built these dorms, so then we'd have to just sleep in the dorms instead. You'd made the most of them, wouldn't you? Who were the one who could hear like... Come on, we're trying to get it out for now.

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1:07:53Apply for Apple Card now and use in minutes with Apple Pay. Subject to credit approval, Apple Card is issued by Goldman Sachs Bank USA, Salt Lake City branch. Terms and more at applecard.com. If you take yourself back, were you enjoying it? We was enjoying winning. I don't think we enjoyed the process. Because again, like I said, we want to have fun. We want to play. We want to shoot. We want to score goals in training. We want to have small side possessions, little five-a-side games. We didn't have any of that, but we was winning. But do you start enjoying the process because the process is bringing the performance?

1:08:31No, we just can't say nothing about the process because we're winning. It's a bit like Tony Piole's. With his monotonous shape training, he does not give a fuck whether you're enjoying it or not. It's not about enjoying it.

1:08:47Kemar Roofe:it's about the three points and getting promoted and we was so close to doing that would anyone have his number? did I have his number? I don't think so no point fucking funny we can't understand what he's saying yeah exactly he might just be one of them meme you know he just sends random funny memes and that I'm going down as one of them just around at 4 o 'clock in the morning you're just like oh Marcelo and then you open it and it's oh Marcelo you little tinker Can't believe this, you watch it.

1:09:23It wouldn't surprise me if he didn't even have a phone. He probably didn't have a phone. He probably just had his people that had phones that needed to contact him. And you might not obviously have witnessed it, but what was he like with the board? Were they just like, right, we can't do football anyway, so just let him crack on?

1:09:40Kemar Roofe:I think that was the case, yeah. Because I think he used to sign one-year contracts every season. but then there was one time he signed one year contract the contract expired but he'd still turn up for the next pre-season without a contract but he'll be still working as if he was under contract and he must have been just I think his thing was he would delay signing until he had everything that he needed so I think as an owner or the board it must have been so stressful for them because they can't plan anything he was so he's got to mother a ball really hasn't he because of how well he yeah he's got to bother a bucket I can't imagine going to the chairman and saying I want this and the chairman saying no if he was even bigger than the chairman especially when the fans got on board and loved him some more yeah but I think there's already so much Leeds could do at the time and to be fair I think they did give him everything if not most things that he wanted we had a lot of Did Premier League fans get in touch about the reasons you're leaving?

1:10:49Were you pushed? Did you want to leave? Was it a new challenge?

1:10:52Kemar Roofe:My thing, I wish I got promoted with Leeds and played in the Premier League with Leeds. When that didn't happen, that helped me so much. There was a documentary. The documentary got made, didn't it? Yeah. Couldn't watch it. Still haven't watched it, can't. Even thinking about it now still frustrates me. but I was one year, I had one year left and I think the club was financial issues as well and they could get money for me. So it was that kind of scenario. When you came in from Oxford, your contract will have been better at Leeds but had they looked after you in that time? How do you mean? So did you sign a four-year contract when you signed?

1:11:40Four years, yeah. So were you on the same contract when you left as the original one that you signed? No, there was one change and that was down to, I don't know, goals or something like this or appearances. But they'd not come to you and said, look, you're doing really well. It wasn't a massive improvement. We're going to go from X to X. Exactly. Even if it's not longer. Exactly. So I was probably one of the ones that hadn't signed a new contract for the longest period because I signed a four years. Everyone else come in after me and signed new contracts with a new owner on better money and I was still stuck on my old contract and the improvement wasn't there.

1:12:25So you half got pushed out there really? It is.

1:12:29Kemar Roofe:Yeah, well, yeah. Same again at Anderlecht. Again, COVID hit, financial issues there. Okay, Rangers put in a random bid for me and I let's accept it straight away but the week before that there was no plans of me going anywhere but until someone come in and put the bid in the club sold the money and they said yeah we need it, you can go His company is obsessed as what he comes across? Yeah, I think if you ask anybody who I've had a conversation with since working with Vinny I've told them he's going to be a top manager at a top club at some point. No doubt about it. He had the balance of, he could put an arm around somebody, but if he lost it, he could lose it.

1:13:19But he had a lot of patience. So I'm thinking, we played the game, we haven't done well, we've come in, I'm thinking he's going to lose his head here. But he hasn't. Big head lose. But he hasn't. He's just kept his core and spoke calmly everything like that so I'm thinking okay this is impressive but then if something's really upsetting he can go he can go it was scary that thing the video you have to watch it yeah he goes in on him doesn't he is it not passing it or something yeah but the thing is a lot of times it is valid because you don't know what's happened before all of this it can be a build up I was going to say that did you know the player who he was talking to did you play with him I can't remember who it was but I remember the situation watching it but it's always a build up and it can be a build up you're getting told so many times and if you don't you're going to lose your head at some point because there was that one on the Burnley video when he slaughtered somebody on the training pitch was it Good Johnson maybe have you seen that and isolated video you're like what a dick he comes across but like you've just said that's probably a build up 100 % it will be a build up and then arm around afterwards like second you said he's good with putting an arm around somebody as well so would it flip back to that you see at Anderlecht it was built up of say like myself Samia Nazri he was older Nasser Chadli older Vinny himself older when he was playing and then the rest of the squad were kids like we're talking like Daku he was a kid these sort of players We had another one that got sold to AC Milan.

1:15:09So we had another one, Sambi, got sold to Arsenal. So there was some top, top talent in there. So I think he couldn't just shout at these kids because it wasn't like that, especially in Belgium. The culture is different, completely different. So it's more of you kind of have to put your arm around them. You couldn't just have a go at them. While you were at Anderlecht, he was player manager and did he drop back to just being player? Yes, because he was getting injured. So then he was just, I think he decided enough of trying to do rehab, stay fit, train, play and be the manager. You think he'd go the other way?

1:15:52And drop the player and be the manager? Yeah. I think he still wanted to play and to be fair, it helped because he was able to work with the young players and all of us on the pitch and because he didn't train everything, he would do the sessions and join in and then he might step out for a bit and then join back in. The thing is, when you're older, you're going to get injured, aren't you? If you're cooling down and that and then going back into it, you're going to pick muscle injuries up, aren't you? Sports science knowledge is that. It was some start. Five goals lost in your first seven games.

1:16:26Yes, but I went there. I went there. So I did pre-season with Leeds and I, you know, cindersmosis in my ankle. So I went to take a shot and my foot went like that. And then I tried to run on because I wanted to score in this pre-season game. The ball was still there. I tried to get back onto the ball and I put the weight on my right foot and I felt like a sensation, like I broke my leg. So this happened in Australia. Obviously 24 hours to get back home with this in my ankle. I don't know if I'm coming or going with the club what's going to happen now so then i told uh vinnie he said doesn't matter just get yourself over here sign the contract and we'll sort it out when you come so he signed me still injured so he knew that i was i still got like two months left of this injury so which again meant a lot because a lot of managers would be like no you're injured we'll go somewhere else now.

1:17:27So he still wanted me. So I went out there, did my rehab and then I finally got my games in. Scored goals. But to be fair, I was playing with Nasser Chadli. He's probably the best player I've played with, as in combination-wise. You've never heard of him, have you? Nasser Chadli at Tottenham. Oh my gosh.

1:17:46Kemar Roofe:You? And Belgium. Of course.

1:17:51Kemar Roofe:Is it Tottenham now? No, he's at Tottenham. say like I don't know Gareth Bale days and I remember Bale that kind of era how weird have you actually picked up then sounds good though Google Google quickly Google what did you say the injury were sorry syndesmosis what is it it's like you see the tip fib in your the lower leg that connects into your ankle. There's a ligament that holds the two bones together just at the bottom of that, top of your ankle. That's snapped. I've never heard of that. Have you? I've heard of it, but I wouldn't know much about it. Maybe people in America might call it like a high ankle sprain or something like that.

1:18:40But I didn't need an operation on it, but I probably should have just to spread the whole thing off a bit. And that was painful. How were you settling in in Belgium? Family move over? No, I saw I was in a hotel for three months. So out there, there was not many houses. So my family weren't comfortable. If you get a house out there, it's a house like it's on Grand Design. They don't mess about. They just design their own houses. So every house is quite special. So you can't really just get a small, simple house. You have to get one big with glass everywhere open. And my family weren't too comfortable about moving out to somewhere they didn't know.

1:19:20and it being so big, so open, especially if I'm not there all the time. So therefore, we was looking for like apartments, but there was nothing available. So I was there for three months in the hotel. And plus you needed, to get a bank account, you needed a house. To get a house, you needed a bank account. So it was like, it was a riddle. And everything out there, it was so laid back. You can't, there's no such ring as something instant. It will take a few days. whereas England, everything's instant. You want it now, you'll get it done now. Over there, it might just take a few days. So how did you get paid then?

1:19:57How did I get paid? Good question. I think they either held the money. I think they either...

1:20:03Kemar Roofe:I said it if I did. Say that. They either held the money or in my English bank account, maybe. Yeah. Until I got a Belgian one. So you said, was that the COVID year? Yes, it was, yeah. So how long after COVID? coming back or was it already going on? So we had a winter break in Belgium. So in January we had the winter break, then we got back, then we was doing a little mini pre-season and then we was about to start again. Then in March - All kicked off. It all kicked off. The Belgium league were the first league to stop. So when we was getting wind of it, all the players got told this was going to happen.

1:20:50it's going to shut down. So we literally loaded up our car and drove back home, back to England. I don't know Belgium football, obviously you realise I don't know English football, but are Anderlecht supposed, in the level of football, whereabouts are they? Are they expected to be champions, top three, top five?

1:21:09Kemar Roofe:As a club, yes, massive club out there. A lot of the big name Belgian players have all come out of Anderlecht a lot of them and there's going for I think they've been a bad cycle it's like a Man United situation say in the Premier League massive club everyone knows how big they are they produce however many players but they're not where they're supposed to be at and the plan was I think with Vinny was he was to go there and be that person to get them back up there yeah was it the pull of Europa League football that got you to Rangers? No. It was the fact of, okay, the club has accepted. Vinny said he didn't want me to go, but it was obviously down to me if I wanted to stay or go.

1:21:59But the club needed you to make a decision. So in the end, I was like, I'm just going to go then because if the club have accepted, they don't want me to here. They want the money. so what's the point of staying? There's no English clubs no lower end Premier League clubs I wasn't supposed to move

1:22:18Kemar Roofe:that's the thing I wasn't supposed to move I think a couple of weeks before Rangers put in a bid I think Celtic were on the phone to my agent saying would it be interesting to come in and I was like no I just want to stay at Anderlecht I had no intentions of moving anywhere then Rangers all of a sudden out of nowhere put in a bid got accepted I got a phone call one evening from Vinny and Vinny told me the situation then it was like okay it's what it is it could have been worse couldn't it like you know if you'd have got stuck in Belgium yeah I did think that fucking hell exactly and I wouldn't have been able to have gone back at least when I was at Rangers I was able to drive back home somebody got in touch and he wanted you to settle a debate he had with his mates ongoing years who's the bigger club Leeds or Rangers that is filth from you filth just chuck that grenade over there that is filth both of them massive anywhere I go in the world literally I will bump into either or Rangers or Leeds anywhere but fan base wise I'd probably have to say Rangers because it's Leeds is just Leeds Rangers is people in Glasgow will either obviously support Rangers or Celtic then outside of Glasgow Scottish people will either support their local team plus Rangers or Celtic you go to Ireland Northern Ireland it's one of the two again you come to England they would have an English team and they'd also have a Scottish team to support so there's more people that support or seem to support Rangers there's more scope whereas Leeds Leeds fans are living in Leeds pretty much or from Leeds so that's how I'd break it down what a well constructed answer that was probably the best way to get out of it I did I thought you were going to sit on the fence at one point and then the book came I like it I appreciate it that's what it is that's what it comes down to it's down to Rangers have the ability they have more scope because they have the English people that support the English team and they would always most people support a Scottish team as well just following on from that then would you prepare playing for Leeds or Rangers you're really trying to kill me I'm only I'm only I'm only going to come to Z here did it just going back to that leaving Leeds your relationship with Leeds fans is that still alright I think so yeah it was yeah I don't know now but nah for me one thing I've always tried my best is to have a good relationship with the fans and then what I do on the pitch will hopefully mirror the relationship I have with the fans and I always put my all into it and I think the fans respect that it's easy to be it's easy to just be sound innit yeah it's not hard work don't cause no drama I just want to win do my best and I think the fans do see that.

1:25:37Even Celtic fans, I've had Celtic fans come up to me and say, we've always kind of feared you when we're seeing you on the team shoot. And for me, that's so much respect and I'm so grateful for that because as much as the rivalry is there, there's still a bit of footballing respect there. In terms of names within football, you've played under some, haven't you? And with some. Yes. Did you find Gerrard first meeting? He's top. Top. And the team that he had at the time, his staff, very good. Very good combination. It's talking about going back, isn't that? Yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. See, with Rangers, to be a manager there, you have to have something about you.

1:26:21You have to be able to have big shoulders. The amount of pressure to be the manager there is huge. And that's some season to come in, in terms of pressure. Celtic 10, was it? Was it Celtic 10? Yeah, because I remember during the season, we was having a good run in Europa League. And me, Europa League's so good. It is better than playing the Scottish League respectfully because of the standards are quite a lot higher and you're playing better teams. So I always enjoyed Europa League. And we always have this debate with the players. Europa League, would you want to go? Because we're having a good run in Europa League.

1:26:54Would you rather win Europa League or win the league? For me, I was saying I want to win Europa League because you might never get that chance again. Not many teams can do it. And then the gaffer, Gerrard, he comes walking in at the time. So we asked him and he was saying, no, it's the league. We need to win the league. It's that important. He understood how important it was. Stop the 10 from tell to... I didn't understand it because I was new to the Scottish football and Rangers. Was that an eye-opener when you did start to feel that around the city and everything? Yeah, but again, Again, I kind of had a bit of understanding from being at Leeds and being at Anderlecht how massive clubs would operate and the expectations.

1:27:39So I wasn't going into it too blind. I just didn't know all the information. For me as a player, I just wanted to win Europa League. I think, again, not many teams do that. It'd be harder winning that than the league, I reckon. But his thing was, no, we have to win this league. because mainly because of the 55 and to stop them from winning 10 more than us. What's the 55 crack again? Have I missed that? Trophies. Right. So bragging rights basically for the fans to say that we've won more trophies than... Were they level at that? I think they might... No, I think they're level. I don't know the technicals now.

1:28:19Because I saw that on Twitter and I didn't know. But it was close.

1:28:21Kemar Roofe:It was getting close. The big one was the 10. It was the 10, yeah. Because neither of them had ever done that and that is the bragging rights if you've won 10 in a row yeah we've heard from the other side it takes quite a long time to flip it on its head doesn't it yeah it was huge and it was like we won that there was banners put in you know like bus stops all the bus stops advertisements got changed and put banners in so like 55 and all the Rangers players and so you knew where you were in Glasgow you knew using a Rangers area or a Celtic area and then I even tattooed 55 on someone's leg. That's how much it meant.

1:29:00You tattooed it? Yeah, he was a tattoo artist anyway, so I was getting a tattoo from him. Then he was like, can you sign my leg and tattoo it and write 55? Because he was a range fan.

1:29:13Kemar Roofe:It means this much to range fans. A bit of pressure to spell it right there, isn't it? I was sweating. There's more pressure than turning it around. Especially when you've never done it before. 56. Yeah, you did. On that set, you live in Glasgow? Yes. Yeah. Could you see how, like we've had quite a lot of Scottish lads who have played at Celtic Hall Rangers and how bigger thing it actually is? Huge. That comes a bit of a shock? No, because again, Leeds, it was similar at Leeds. I could be walking the dog and then someone's beeped the hole and wave at me or go to the shop and I'll bump into somebody.

1:29:52there's never a day I wouldn't bump into somebody if I was to go out but then Rangers was a bit different a bit to another level because you'd either bump into a Rangers fan or you'd bump into a Celtic fan you'd bump into somebody and you didn't know if it was and with Leeds at least you knew you're bumping into a Leeds fan yeah that's right in Glasgow you don't know who you're bumping into and would you get some stick if it was Celtic? no like I said they was always good with me because I didn't cause them no problems

1:30:28Kemar Roofe:I stopped at one roundabout and there was one little boy in someone's passenger next to me he swore at me I got angry we can take the V's off an 8 year old he was sticking fingers up that was the only bit I got from the Celtic fans I was alright talk to me about this fucking Morelos Minelov's guy because he doesn't look like a footballer does it to look at him yeah apparently he was very good before I got there he was unstoppable he would just run power pace were you not there when you were there? he was a bit different I think he wanted to he wanted to move me going to Rangers it was apparently he was leaving but whatever happened deals fell through and he ended up staying so I think he might have been a bit upset that he was still saying he didn't get his move, that he wanted to.

1:31:22He had a character. Did he used to cut his own hair? No, he didn't. Ryan Kent used to cut his own hair, but no, Buff used to go to the barbers. Because it was a year, wasn't it? It started a year, wasn't it? Yeah, it was just the same trim. He went to it, what is you? It was a bad haircut, weren't it? Took his butcher. Why did it turn on? Well, hang on. Best goalie of career. Yeah, standard Liège.

1:31:50Kemar Roofe:Yes. Yeah. Gerrard said it was the best goal he'd seen live, didn't he? Yeah, yeah, yeah. So that was... Some compliment. It was, yeah, yeah. It kind of got much better than that. See, I've not seen it. It must have been good, because unless Gerrard closed his eyes when he's short, he scored some bangers like that. Yeah, coming from Gerrard himself, what a player he was and the goals he scored. So that meant a lot coming from him. And funnily enough, I don't think many people know about this, but I scored that goal because I was feeling a little tightness in my calf. at the time and I got put on and I was like oh is it gonna go is am I gonna be okay or is it gonna tear so I didn't really want to be doing too much big runs that I didn't need to just in case and obviously the ball come and I shot because I didn't want to keep running fuck it I'll just hit it yeah and to be fair I've always tried to shoot from long distance and these things anyway because the season before that at Andalus I tried it and a company was telling me off because I did it and he's like what's the point stop doing that and then funny enough when I did score that goal he was one of the first people to message me about it yeah so yeah no it was a amount of times I've tried it that one finally come off.

1:33:05So that was if not your best goal what about moments goals like two moments two yeah that was the best goal but like meaning wise what things like i scored against blackburn was it blackburn in that comeback yeah in the comeback like last minutes they were that was very good and even the goal against villa or both goals my first goal against villa that was special again the goal against villa at their place to win the game again that was special we were thinking the two goals in the fall victory i was gonna say two goals against celtic must have felt good as well but again it it took a bit of something from it because there's no fans in it like them goes again the one off my chest yeah you try and push that out your memory don't you yeah it was that's what we're going on yeah like i probably wouldn't score a goal like that again and i haven't really seen many other people score a goal like that again but But again, that got kind of pushed aside a bit because there's no fans.

1:34:06The occasion wasn't as big. And then I scored the halfway line goal on that same season. So I was kind of forgotten about. What was the celebration? It was my daughter.

1:34:17Kemar Roofe:Which against when I scored the halfway line goal. Yeah. It was technically half and half. It was my daughter because I always do it for my daughter's name. But also because I was getting booed. Because that's Anderlecht's main rival. So when I come on, every time I get the ball, I got booed from the fans. So obviously I scored that goal and I did that for my daughter but I also gave it a little extra sauce. Because it was them. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Get in on, take the cap off. For me, it's, I like to give back. When someone's giving me something, I like to give it back as well. It gives me a bit of fuel to try and prove them wrong or right or whatever it is.

1:34:56So if they can give it to me,

1:34:57Kemar Roofe:surely I can give it back to them. Do you know when you came off the bench in the final? Yeah. Against Frankfurt. Did you touch the ball before the final whistle? Yeah, I nearly set up a goal for Ryan Kent. Last minute, crossed it, and it got saved, and that could have won the game for us. But you were put on for the penalty, was it? Basically, yeah. Should have been put on a lot sooner and wasn't because I felt that I could have made a difference during the game. but I was carrying a, I just rushed back from a LCL knee injury so every time I passed the ball with my right foot my knee was hurting, like serious pain and just to get through that game I had to take a painkiller injection to try and numb the pain a bit And you've got a penalty in a European final?

1:35:52Kemar Roofe:Yeah, the last one as well, the fifth penalty Never in doubt though, was it? I had confidence in myself. I had a routine to stick to. I just knew if I just made a clean connection, it should hopefully go in, hit the post and went in. So it was a sigh of relief. Yeah, that panic up. That second panic up. It was, yeah. Tough night though. Tough, yeah, again, that hurt because it was a chance for us to win the game. And plus, it hurt even more because I felt like I should have played. either started or definitely come on a lot sooner. And I felt I would have contributed. So that was my frustration.

1:36:34And that was my frustration with that gaffer that season. Was that Van Bronck? Yeah. He'd play 4-3-3 and he'd basically max out all the positions with centre midfielders. So the three midfielders were all number sixes. And then the right winger would be a centre midfielder as well. he'd play with one number nine and then the left winger was Ryan Kent the dribbler so it was like there was only one position for you to play whereas with Gerrard you could play there was about five different if he was an attacker you could play in about four different positions One thing I've always wondered is why doesn't Tavernier get a move?

1:37:17Kemar Roofe:Good question I don't know you'd have to speak to him and his agent Do you think he's good enough to play in the Prem? Yes, he's got the qualities but again nobody knows until you get given the chance but he's definitely Is he not in a comfort zone? It's definitely no I wouldn't say that he gets a lot of stick Yeah defensively So it's not a comfort zone just in general he gets a lot of stick because he's obviously the captain if Rangers don't do well he's only been the first one to be blamed and he's been there for years and he handles it well but three kick wise set piece wise he's up there he's good He's good for 15 a season and then penalties and then just general in-play goals seems to pop up don't he somewhere where did he come from he's a top goal scorer he knows how to he knows how to score goals he knows where to get himself I know you mentioned your syndesmosis in your ankle but was that the start of your injuries at Anderlecht because then Rangers seem to be injury after injury but before then it doesn't sound like you struggled yeah no I was fine at Oxford, Leeds picked up a few but maybe that was a lot down to running loads with Bielsa, then obviously syndesmosis and then it was just a knock on effect.

1:38:40Maybe I rushed the syndesmosis and I wasn't running correctly because of that then it was a knock on effect with other issues. Again before I moved to Rangers I rolled my ankle in training so again I went to Rangers with a swollen ankle so that didn't help it was just a knock on effect of different things fell on my shoulder I got back from an injury fell on my shoulder in the semi-final tore ligaments in my shoulder again out for three months or two months with that

1:39:15Kemar Roofe:so all these little that's just an unlucky one unlucky and I did this at Oxford on my other shoulder as well so all these things a lot of them were just things that I can't help. My knee, it was a tackle. Couldn't help that. There's so many different things. And then I was also carrying a hip issue as well. How old were you when you got your first Jamaica Cup? How old was I? It was my first season at Rangers. So what? I don't know, 20, 29? Just on that, please. 28, 29.

1:39:54Kemar Roofe:I'll be with it. I've always been a massive Jamaican fan. I've heard of this. You've learned the national anthem as well. I was calling the reggae boys. I'm a massive fan of that jerk chicken. He ran his boy. Was it for your dad's heritage? Yes. Proud moment then, stepping out. Yes. When you asked me the best goal, meanings-wise, the one I scored for Jamaica, because that was the best feeling because scoring for a club, okay, but scoring for a country and knowing that you've scored for a whole country, it's an incredible feeling and it's hard to explain what doing that was, yeah, that was good.

1:40:38And I think now with Steve McLaren, I think they've got the core of players, they've got the set up and everything professional and improved and I think it's a better set up now.

1:40:49Kemar Roofe:And are you still in the fold? I hope so, yeah. I saw Steve McFarren towards the end of the season he was at one of the derby games and I spoke to him and we spoke and I still made it clear that I want to be involved I've seen something are you doing a journal or something what's yeah so I wrote a journal here so while I was out of contract because I always write stuff down and especially when I'm out of contract I've got no one to plan things for me I have to plan it myself every day Monday, Tuesday I'll be out gym and run Wednesday I'd rest Thursday Friday I'd be out again doing gym and run just to keep myself fit taking over so I'd always have to kind of like plan what I was going to do that day so it's always something I was writing down and plus previously before when I was playing I'd always write down um what I did wrong what I did right to try and improve the next the next session we also used to do it as well before each before each game you just sit down with everybody individually and watch the previous game and tell us what we did wrong most it's most of the time what we should have done better and the translator will be behind us he'll be typing it all up on paper and then we'd get given a sheet of paper so then it got to the point where I thought is there a journal that I could write it all in instead of just having it on pieces of paper or on my phone and there wasn't anything software, let me just make it myself.

1:42:16And I have done, and it seems to have gone down well. And what are you doing with it? Are you selling it? Selling it, yeah. It's on Amazon at the moment. I'm just in the process of creating my own website to sell it on my own website. So is it tailored to that? So what makes it different than one that you get from Paperchase? Has it got specific things in it? It gives you questions already. So targets of, there's three targets you want to do throughout the whole of this season. So you write that down and then you write how to get there, what you need to do to achieve these targets. It also gives you a table to put all your fixtures in.

1:42:56Because another thing I used to do, again at Leeds, every season I'd print off the fixture list and then I'd break down each month how many goals I expect to score in this month to get to a total at the end of the season. Do you see it like manifesting? Yeah. So, example, if I wanted to score 20 goals that season, each month I'd say I need to score three goals in January. I need to score two goals in February. OK, March, I need to score four goals. And if I achieve all those goals each month, I'd get to my end target and I'd look at each team I'd be playing against and I'd judge. Can I score against them?

1:43:33Is it likely I'll score against them? Or if it's a tougher game, I might not score. So the number might not be as big. and that's what I'd do and it seemed to help because say for example in January I wanted to score three goals and within the first two games I scored my three goals and I've still got two more games left of that month I know that there's not so much pressure on me now because I've got my target so I don't need to overthink things or snatch at things and then or if I did score an extra goal it'll roll over into the next month so it'll take it's a way of taking pressure off me not having to score all the time you can visualise it rather than it just being you know I want to score and then also so like you watch a game back and you analyse your own game and see what you could improve there's pages in here where it gives you it prompts you on questions of how to improve and to write it down your weaknesses and what you've done well and how you felt it's brilliant you obviously found something that works for you and then hopefully there's other people that it works for as well, providing them the tools to do it.

1:44:42Yeah, exactly. And I think a lot of things in life and in football, people don't achieve things because they're overthinking. They're overthinking, they talk themselves out of doing it or they use so much energy from overthinking. With the journal and writing things down and breaking it down in small targets, it's more achievable. And instead of saying, you want to get 20 goals this season, if you work off, okay I just want to get five goals to start with that's a win they tick it off okay and you can get some confidence from that

1:45:14Kemar Roofe:and then you keep working towards the final target brilliant Matt yeah it's very interesting yeah did you ever see the Anthony Gordon interview with Neville when he was talking about visualisation and meditating it's just a fucking different thing altogether yeah yeah well this also I used to work with a psychologist when I was at West Brom they had a psychologist there who also was a coach as well so after sessions I'll be doing my my finishing with him and we're doing psychology work while I'm doing finishing which is the best combination instead of just doing the you're sitting in a room with a psychologist you think you mentally got issues or whatever that was the that was the kind of thinking back in those days it was kind of frowned upon but when they took it out onto the pitch and you're doing it in my kind of real life actions what you do on the pitch it was amazing it'd be so good and that was the best combination so the phone's on just waiting for phone calls for next season phone's on loudspeaker ready ring ring everything is ready to go but no hopefully I enjoyed my time at Derby it was it was very good so hopefully I can work something out there Fire us on the way for the Amazon and we'll we'll put it in the description if anybody's interested yeah no it definitely definitely helps well Topman thank you very much thank you brilliant mate cheers thank you it's good was it worth knocking me water off with your face was it yeah go for it I literally wrote it's not the one next time on Under the Gosh are you alright Sam yeah yeah and then as soon as You just see the red mist coming, you're like, oh shit, who's getting it?

1:47:04And he's going, hey, hey! He's not a fucking centre half, him! He's not a centre half! Put me up against a wall. Don't you ever, ever, ever, toss one of my sessions off like that ever again. And I've grabbed old Randy and he's on the floor, James, right? And he's like taking the count and he's just went, oh, big fella, what in it that was? Oh, by the way, we're coming to West Ham. She wears me, we're not. I went, there we are. She was like, we're not. So we're sat now around the pool and she's going, we're not going to West Ham. I'm going, one of them, like, no one knows yet, you know what I mean?

1:47:39Like, calm down a bit. People had to run out, so you had 40 scouts running out like that. As I've looked, I went, Andy's car's unfair. I don't know if I actually should say this on the telly.

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