Paul Konchesky | Gun To My Head

4:45John Terry:made with eels but yeah it ain't no more.

4:49Andy Todd:Does she do a gravy option? Yeah.

4:52Ledley King:Oh that's alright then. And she'd probably give you a little pot of liquor just to try if you wanted to

4:58Sol Campbell:little kid's portion you can try that just chicken nuggets chips and red sauce and gravy yeah turkey dinosaurs

5:06Andy Todd:dipping my turkey dinosaurs in the gravy perfect

5:11Sol Campbell:how were you when you got picked up by Charlton because am I right in saying you were what's the Sunday league team Senrab Senrab yeah so I was 9

5:19Ledley King:when I went to West Ham and went to Senrab at 11 and then Charlton I went up 13 Right, so you're still... Yeah, so West Ham, 9-13, and then Charlton.

5:30Paul Konchesky:I went to 24 and then went back to West Ham. Who was in your Senrab team? John Terry, Ledley King, Bobby Zamora, J-Loyd Samuel, bless his heart, Fitzall.

5:42Andy Todd:What's this team, sorry?

5:44John Terry:Just a grassroots team, but it was probably the best. It was the best grassroots team that you could have played for. it's really hard because you don't know at the time that they were going to be that good yeah but so Leon Knight and Defoe was the younger group below so Campbell was the easy they played a bit older but yeah so a load of ex-players come out of there I don't know but yeah well Leon Knight and Jermaine was just below so they thought they always could play up but we had a good team yeah

6:17Stephen Bywater:they were tiny

6:18John Terry:but he was probably a bit better than Defoe 90 what back then yeah he could score goals right

6:25Paul Konchesky:but that not fucking happened

6:27John Terry:attitude and

6:29Andy Todd:I'm mopping his mouth a bit much maybe yeah maybe

6:33Scott Parker:cut that out dear

6:35Andy Todd:you're fucking coming for me again you're a fat cunt well alright so

6:42Ledley King:and how old were you when you made your debut 16 16 the youngest 93 days well I was but then John Joe took it by about 20 days or something but right yeah so I left school

6:54John Terry:doing my exams in June pre-season July August I played that's not bad is it

7:01Andy Todd:and respectfully were that because you were really good or was it a crisis or what

7:06Ledley King:no you're right no Antony Barness left back no he was at Chelsea he was injured but he was having a fitness test

7:15Stephen Bywater:on the Saturday so the manager to be fair to him done me a favour because I would have shit myself if he'd tell me on Friday I'm playing.

7:22John Terry:So he waited until Saturday 1.30 failed his fitness test so I didn't really have time to think about it. I was straight in the team and that was it. So I played the next three and then I come out respectively probably like probably going to be too much and keep going but We still involved though?

7:39Ledley King:Yeah, yeah. So I was probably involved for about 15 games.

7:42John Terry:So I travel all the time but you look back there and I think what the fuck am I keep travelling for?

7:47Andy Todd:where you were starving to make the teas and the coffees on the bus on the bus yeah

7:51Sol Campbell:but at the time are you like just loving it

7:54Ledley King:I loved it that was my best days probably at Charlton because as a kid all you wanted to do is play and just kicking balls

8:00John Terry:smashing balls around every day but I had to get a bit more serious when I went went with the first team really

8:06Sol Campbell:and at that age who in that first team squad was being good for you

8:12Ledley King:who was yeah Steve Brown and he Stuart Barmer Scotsman Richard Rufus he looked after his boots and then

8:22John Terry:a bit later on Powley I got a bit older but Chrissie Powell came so he's a bit of a mentor to me but I got in the team with Scotty Parker so we grew up together and always room together so them away trips we should fucking shit ourselves because ex-players older players it's like we're going to do this do that and we're shitting ourselves putting chairs up against the door so no fucker can they're saying

8:45Sol Campbell:we're in tonight

8:46John Terry:yeah so So, put them doors, they can't get in our room, can they? Shit in our pants. But it probably put us in good stead for what went on.

8:56Paul Konchesky:And what a first season.

8:57Scott Parker:I mean, I'm a Sunderland fan. Yeah. So that's a bad memory for me. But the playoff final. Yeah, so me and Scott, obviously, we weren't involved,

9:05Stephen Bywater:but we was part of the squad and in the suits and all that.

9:07John Terry:And it was, yeah, obviously, Clive Kildja. Clive, the Sunderland fan. The boy from Sunderland's Kildja's. but yeah, it was a fantastic day, weren't it? Obviously for us it was even better but it was one game that would always stick out being a Charlton boy.

9:25Scott Parker:But you know at the time because you'd made them four appearances were you half thinking I've got less chance of playing now they're getting promoted. So in the back of your mind another season in the Championship maybe I'll get a run. I'll get more of a run.

9:39Stephen Bywater:Yeah, probably. You know as well as I do when you play you think you're always going to play every game. That's what you want to do. But going up, I always backed myself to play, but you're right, the club gets bigger, they get more money and bring more players in, which Chris Powell came in. So again, for me, an experienced player killed me.

10:02Stephen Bywater:I think I played four the first year, 10 the second year, and then 15, and then I was a regular. So when I look back, it was probably good for me, but I wanted to play all the time.

10:12John Terry:And then getting promoted, I was never going to play. Were there no talk? Are you going on loan? No, the manager was quite frail with me, really. He's like, you're not going anywhere.

10:24Ledley King:Me and Scotty Parker, so we grew up together and we got in the team together. So it was a little bit like we're doing everything together, but we were separate. But to be fair, a few years later,

10:36John Terry:Sunderland did come in for me and Scotty Parker and they wouldn't let us go because the money weren't enough. and they probably killed me because that was when Big Nile was there, Kevin Phillips, that probably was one of the biggest teams in the Premier League and it was something that we wanted to do and maybe if the price was right, it might have been different and might not have had the career I did, might have gone on and had a different career, you don't know, but yeah, he never let us go on loan and probably that was probably the big thing that me and him fell out of towards the end of my days at Charlton.

11:13Scott Parker:Is he as awkward as what we've heard?

11:15Paul Konchesky:Curbishly.

11:16Stephen Bywater:Yeah, he's quite stubborn. He believes everything that he thinks is right. Yeah, that was me. I wanted to play as a kid. Got in the team, didn't play. All I wanted to do was play, so let me go on loan and get the spirit. No, you're not going there. I'm not playing there. And it was a bit his way or that's it.

11:38Paul Konchesky:and that's how that football club was with him. So were you knocking on his door at a young age? All the time, yeah, because I wanted to play and I had that taste and it probably happened too quick really at 16

11:49John Terry:but I got that taste of being around professional lads but being a kid. I backed myself to play and I thought I was good enough to play

12:00Stephen Bywater:and I had to grow up really quick and go and knock on the manager's door to get in the team

12:07John Terry:and how do I do it? If I'm not going to do it here, I want to go and go somewhere else.

12:11Andy Todd:Yeah. But still, they did all the jobs and everything.

12:14John Terry:Yeah, until I saw my first professional contract at 17. So I had to do, I'll never forget it. I trained in the morning with the first team. Wanted to go out in the afternoon, weren't a lad. So I had to stay around to all the boys, finished in the afternoon. And I'd done the medical room. I'll never forget it. The academy manager used to go around the skirting boards

12:34Ledley King:and make sure I'd done my job. like four in a bed oh it was disgusting putting his fingers round there making sure I cleaned it and I'm like I'll do it because that's what I'm getting paid for Richard Rufus boots Stuart Balmer's boots always had to be done

12:53John Terry:but yeah listen I loved it and that's probably what I say put me in good stead to go and have the career I did

12:59Andy Todd:it's a tough one in all the physio run because it has got to be spotless hasn't it you know for germs and shit yeah you can get ballroom with that you can get away with it and Friday

13:09Sol Campbell:was the worst because we had

13:10Ledley King:the weekend not off because we was playing but Friday it had to be spotless because the youth team players were going to be using it and like you say it had to be spotless you had to put all the towels in the wash and clean all the beds disinfectant but yeah that was my job and did I love it no not

13:29Paul Konchesky:but I did love them days

13:32Sol Campbell:they were the

13:32Paul Konchesky:best days

13:33Scott Parker:for me we had Kevin Lisby on and he told us about the time Parker was trying to force a move. Do you remember much about that? Yeah, I think we had

13:41John Terry:11 v 11 on the pitch by the trees as you're driving training ground. We had 11 v 11. It must have been the day before the game and he just walked around kicking footballs everywhere until the manager said, if you don't want to be here, fuck off in and Scotty just walked off and went in because another big move for him to go to Chelsea and he didn't to be there and he tries to force his way out which i think eventually he did but again the club wanted more money for him and i think that's big part and parcel of it they always want more money

14:15Andy Todd:which there's but there's got to be a figure where everybody's happy and yeah and i get that and i

14:19John Terry:think it i think it was 10 million at the end in the end and the the club like charlton it was a

14:25Stephen Bywater:fantastic deal and scotty got what what he wanted at the end of it but again forcing his way out on a Friday morning preparing for a game him just booting balls around did he play on the Saturday?

14:38John Terry:no fuck

14:40Andy Todd:I wonder what he'd be like now you know if Hannibal started kicking fucking balls there I wonder what Scotty would be like

14:45John Terry:but yeah so obviously Kev was involved and John Fulton and people like that so we all was in the same youth team so it was quite weird to see Scotty do that was it out of character? because we'd never seen it yeah and wanted to go to a big team, Chelsea, the big dough, and Abramovich just bought the club and it was going to be one of the signings that they really wanted. So he wanted to force that deal through and he ended up making it happen because that's what he got down to. Listen, we've probably all done it and we shouldn't do it, but that's what got him out of the club. Something's got to it, yeah.

15:21Andy Todd:He's got to do it. What do you think, Chris?

15:23Sol Campbell:You'd be going, go on, Scotty.

15:26Andy Todd:I'd be like, no fucker wants me. after training that.

15:33Andy Todd:That'd be Chester. Chester might want. I was not fucking Chelsea.

15:37Scott Parker:For me, your first England call-up came. You were 22.

15:41Paul Konchesky:Yeah. Still at Charlton? I was, yeah. Both of my caps, to be fair, come at Charlton,

15:46John Terry:so I think that was 2003. Yeah. Yeah, so I obviously got a bit more regular in the team and I always say it to people, were probably, unfortunately, we had probably the best left-back in the world. That left-back when I was trying to break through to the England team with, like, Coley, Ash. And then Bridget was his understudy.

16:06Stephen Bywater:So the three left-backs, them two and myself, was really tough. But one of them was injured.

16:12John Terry:I think Coley was injured, to be fair. And I got that opportunity to go with the national team and be part of that. Who was manager? Sven Will and Eriksson, yeah. Yeah, Sven took me in toward grip. You must have been buzzing, man.

16:29Sol Campbell:You got that call, 22.

16:31Ledley King:Yeah, it was a dream. Have you heard whispers that you might be getting the call? No, I think because I think Scrogg was in that squad as well

16:39John Terry:and I think he had the heads up that he might be involved and nothing was said to me. So I think we had a game, went home and I was going out and about eight o 'clock I got a call from the FA to say that you're going to be involved in the squad meeting up Monday morning. So you can imagine the beers went to the side. I'm celebrating.

17:03Ledley King:The beers went to the side and I was shooting myself from that minute really and thinking I'm going away with, I've probably put myself down a little bit,

17:14John Terry:you've been at Charlton as a small club and you're going away with the Man Utd boys, Chelsea boys Liverpool boys Beckham Scholes you shouldn't really be in that squad so it was

17:27Ledley King:yeah it was a dream come true but a bit of an eye opener for me where I didn't back myself

17:32Sol Campbell:Would you say I mean we spoke about it a lot that imposter syndrome would you say that even though you're playing a Premier League club are you still in awe when you go to an England camp and like you said you've got your Beckhams you've got your Scholes and everyone else have you stepped inside yourself a bit?

17:51Ledley King:Yeah and I've never done that I've never been like that especially on the pitch playing against them it didn't matter to me but I think knowing I'm going to be with them

17:59John Terry:always put that in my head are you good enough to be with them guys because I felt Man United, Chelsea they're the big boys and Charlton are just a little club from London and shouldn't probably be in the Premier League but we are and we haven't got the biggest players

18:17Ledley King:and I obviously got the England cap through that. Yeah, I probably went inside myself and probably didn't give my own ability credit, really, where I should have been there and I got picked for a reason. I didn't back myself.

18:30Scott Parker:Who out of that squad, because you're a young lad coming in for the first time, who made you feel welcome and looked after you just to make sure you were all right? Because we hear that it was clicky and this and that, but there must have been people that do go out the way to look after these new lads.

18:45Ledley King:Yeah, it was tough Obviously I had Scottie there So we was probably like we are all the time

18:51John Terry:Or always was, really close together But probably the London boys would be more welcoming Obviously no John Terry So John was in the squad And he made me feel welcome And Gary Nebel was really good

19:04Stephen Bywater:When you got one-on-one But it was a little bit, you say The Liverpool boys, the Maynard boys and it was just the London boys

19:13John Terry:just on their own and all together. So probably the London boys was probably the more welcoming than most. The thing is, not lucky,

19:22Scott Parker:but it helped that you knew Parker and you knew John Terry. Imagine turning up with no nobody. I'd be fucking... Shutting your arm. Yeah. I know you'd be all right, wouldn't you, Biggie?

19:34Andy Todd:I'd go in like a fucking whirlwind. I'd go in like someone at the edge of... They'd either love me I think I'm an absolute prick with informing it one or other

19:45Ledley King:you're right yeah and yeah

19:48John Terry:going inside myself lucky enough I knew new people because I probably weren't that outgoing then and I was I was still a kid really at 22 and like I say I shouldn't have been there but I was there and I that's probably one thing I do regret about making my first England debut

20:06Scott Parker:just not being your

20:07John Terry:being myself and I got there for a reason

20:11Stephen Bywater:a reason that someone might have got injured, but I was in next in line.

20:15John Terry:So the manager's obviously liked something, he's seen, and I probably didn't take that into what I could have and should have done.

20:23Andy Todd:So do you think the most intimidating thing would be going into the lads as opposed to the football bit?

20:29John Terry:Yeah.

20:30Scott Parker:Just behind the roof.

20:32John Terry:Yeah. Like I said, Cholton, young boys, mid-table to bottom half and then you're going out with the big boys because they were big boys Beckham, Scholes Carragher Ferdinand Neville Owen felt like I shouldn't have been there where I was there for a reason I deserved to be there but I didn't back myself and give it my all really

20:58Andy Todd:Once you get on the training pitch and that everything seems to be a bit more normal doesn't it? Yeah It's just that first few days of not knowing anybody and Had you kicked Beckham in the past, like in a game or out? I tried.

21:10Scott Parker:I did him at home. He owes us one. I mean, on paper, it looks a random one, but the loan to Tottenham, how did that happen? Interesting, really, yeah.

21:23Stephen Bywater:Because I was at Charlton, wanting to play. So that's the way I got. I was a little bit older. It probably felt, or the manager felt I was allowed to go because he needed a centre-back. He was desperate for centre-back. And Tottenham let them have Chris Perry.

21:38John Terry:So Chris Perry went to Charlton and I went the opposite way. Both lawns. Yeah, because when I was at England 21s, Johnny Gorman was my 21s coach and he was Hoddle's number two at Tottenham. So it was a bit like, well, you're taking him, we'll take myself on loan to Tottenham, which that's how it came about. And I think at the end of it, I only played for three months. Then I would have got a sack after 10 days, which didn't help. But it did help because I played for the three months. But David Pleat took over and at the three months, it was just before Christmas, I remember it, when Cholton was playing Tottenham Boxing Day.

22:20John Terry:I went back just before then because Kerbysh pulled me back but wanted to keep Chris Perry because he wouldn't let me stay. And I played against Tottenham on Boxing Day at White Hart Lane for Cholton. so he pulled me back from Tottenham and I played against him it was so it was tough for me because five days before I was training with him and then I had to play on Boxing Day at Wilder Lane how did you do? yeah we won 1-0 for Charlton but my time at Tottenham was really good probably really good and I played with good players and I played for three months so I played 15 games there so I did love it I loved the experience of, again, probably the first time that I've played with bigger players than what we had at Charlton.

23:08John Terry:I mean, Robbie Keane, Kanuti, Stephen Carr, Gus Poirier, Darren Anderton. So I played with some fantastic players there as well.

23:17Andy Todd:Speaking of going back to Charlton, somebody who wouldn't feel intimidated in any room, Danny Mills.

23:26Andy Todd:What would Mills be like?

23:30Stephen Bywater:I think he's a bit Marmite you either like him or you don't he came in he loved fitness we'd probably say he was busy yeah but that's probably how he had a career he went on undone he was all for himself while he was doing stuff in the gym and working had energy to burn to be fair

23:53John Terry:felt like he had about 15 coffees every 10 minutes

23:55Stephen Bywater:but yeah I think I got on the right with Millsy but I thought he was really busy and constantly on people's cases and on people's cases but probably couldn't back it himself because he wasn't an unbelievable player just he got by and he was he was busy as fuck If you listen to him you were an incredible player

24:18Sol Campbell:Andy Todd there then Yeah

24:20Andy Todd:Todd he was there Yeah Just looks scary

24:22Sol Campbell:doesn't he We speak about him Have you ever seen him switch?

24:26Ledley King:I did yeah we was going away

24:28John Terry:to Aston Villa have you heard this story no so we were prepping for for Aston Villa away doing the set plays and Dean Kiley the goalie at the time was putting people in positions and for some reason them two fell out

24:49Stephen Bywater:we got off the training pitch and they were still going at it so he just hit Dean Kiley busted his nose and Isaiah went and we all got on the coach. Dino didn't get on the coach. Toddy got on the coach.

25:03Ledley King:We went to Villa. Dino turned up that night to play Saturday morning. But it was all from doing set plays. No, I'm not doing that. I think we should do this. And saying it got said and he just went bang. Busted his nose and his eye. Didn't Kylie play? Yeah, Dino played the next day, yeah. Frosty? Must have been. Yeah, it was. Yeah. but I think it was probably the best thing that could have happened that he'd just come up and played and basically

25:31Stephen Bywater:got away with it not got away with it but you get over it don't you you ain't going to fight on a match day

25:36Andy Todd:and that was it really I think if Toddy hits me once I think I'm just checking it and walking off I'm doing it same I'm not winning by I don't think you're

25:43Sol Campbell:walking off I'm pretending I'm knocked out even if I'm not just so you don't get another one I'm snoring

25:49Ledley King:but he's a nice guy Toddy

25:52Paul Konchesky:but he's just got that fuse that goes boom done we were saying about

25:57Scott Parker:maybe Mills not being able to back up his high standards himself there's a Ducanio there and I imagine he was the opposite and he demanded high standards but he could obviously

26:08Paul Konchesky:do it himself yeah Paolo was like you say coming to the

26:12Stephen Bywater:all as a back end he was probably like all his career his standards was second to none on and off the pitch and I'll never forget we were we were training and he didn't think it was good enough. So after training, he just started doing box-to-boxes that you normally would. But he'd done about 25 box-to-boxes because he said, that training shit, I need to be fit and ready for the match on the weekend. So his standards was second to none. And I think you look at him and he took his top off and for 37, 38, he was absolutely ripped. And it's like, how the fuck are you still like that? but we're young and we used to go on away games and he would sit for dinner with us but he wouldn't eat with us because he'd only have pasta but he'd have it at nine o 'clock at night and that was his routine and he demanded high things but he could back it up

27:11Andy Todd:no carbs after seven for me look at the fucking state of me I couldn't see it in pasta at nine well I can Adonis.

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30:11Sol Campbell:Did you enter transfer requesting before the Tottenham move?

30:17John Terry:No, not before the tournament, but that's how I got. When I left Charlton to go to West Ham, I put one transfer request in.

30:25Sol Campbell:And is that because West Ham were interested?

30:26Ledley King:No, just because I think it was me and the manager fell out, just because all I wanted to do is play.

30:32Stephen Bywater:I wanted to play regular, and I know you're not a regular anywhere you go, but I just thought I could have been playing more in a team

30:41John Terry:rather than what I was doing. So for me, it was time to move on and try something different with a different manager and a different club. So the only way it would happen is if I could put a transfer request in.

30:54Andy Todd:And had you been looked after contract-wise at Charlton? Because normally, if you go through the Ual Franks and that, you're using miles of it, aren't you? Had they looked after you or were you...?

31:05Stephen Bywater:If I look back now, probably like you say there, John, he's one of the academy boys. he don't need to have as much as someone else is coming in

31:15Ledley King:but I think that is everywhere especially growing up I thought that was everywhere but

31:20Paul Konchesky:yeah you probably get left behind a little bit which is wrong really because you were at England International at this point

31:26Scott Parker:aren't you as well

31:27Ledley King:yeah I just wanted to play so the money bit didn't bother me then

31:34Stephen Bywater:it's only when you get older you think I deserve this this is what I want but at the time I just wanted to play and I didn't even think about things. As long as I had a contract and I knew I had a couple more years on my contract, whatever year it was, so I feel like I'm safe, then that was it really.

31:51Scott Parker:If you think back, was it frosty with Kerbyshley when you left Charlton?

31:54Paul Konchesky:Was there a fallout or was it amicable you shook hands at the end? No, it was frosty. So we'll probably talk about the move to West Ham and that will come up.

32:05Ledley King:It's a word of questions. We know what you mean. Yeah, it was frosty.

32:12Stephen Bywater:Yeah, I wanted to play and we had fallings out

32:15John Terry:and I'd play well and he'd leave you out. So I was always knocking on his door and that's probably why I wanted to leave and try it with someone else and go elsewhere. So the transfer request was for that reason.

32:29Scott Parker:And you're thinking, thank fuck, I'm not going to be playing for him again anyway. And then Pardew leaves in walks Alan.

32:38Ledley King:Yeah, so the first 16 months was quite good at West Ham. I loved it. Got to the cup final and Pardes.

32:45Sol Campbell:That's your club as well, isn't it?

32:46Ledley King:Yeah, it's my club and Pardes obviously took me there,

32:49John Terry:which we had a fantastic first season, getting to the cup final and obviously losing. But the second season started not great,

32:59Stephen Bywater:but getting rid of the manager and you get loads of, you know what it's like when you get loads of, oh, he might be the manager, he might be the manager. and I'm like, fuck me, I hope he ain't the manager.

33:08Andy Todd:So are you really thinking, fuck, please, anymore?

33:12Ledley King:Yeah, and I was just thinking if he comes, I'm fucked. And this is my team. I'm just signing, I'm fucking, oh, I want to do his play for West Ham.

33:20Sol Campbell:Are you thinking if he, well, you've just said it, if he comes in, I'm fucked, I'm gone. Is it, was the relationship? Yeah, it was that for us,

33:26Ledley King:it was like, I don't know if I can play for him again because I know how he is and what he's done to me.

33:36Stephen Bywater:I think he came in Christmas time we played Man United we won 1-0 went away to Reading lost on 6-0 I think after that I didn't play again but I think when he came in we did sit down and he said oh it's a clean slate and I'm like I fucking know it's not it's not a clean slate but just by the impression and then he bought someone else might have been George McCartney or Clive Clark came in so I knew then it was game over it's not really isn't it

34:06Sol Campbell:because it's personal then isn't it it's not about how you're playing because you've always been playing yeah or in the lead up to that

34:12Ledley King:yeah yeah so I think after that

34:15Stephen Bywater:I didn't I didn't I didn't play again so I think he left me Teddy sharing them out so we used to train all week and on a Saturday Sunday we'd just have weekends off like regardless wherever they went

34:26Ledley King:we'd have the weekend off which hurt because I'm a West Ham West Ham boy and all I wanted to do

34:33Paul Konchesky:who's played for West Ham. But it's a strange one because he's put you in the team

34:37Scott Parker:at such a young age and you've played a lot of games for him.

34:40John Terry:Yeah.

34:40Scott Parker:And then he's just decided that he's not having you at the back end of Charlton. Yeah. And he's carried that on to West Ham. It's just, it doesn't really add up.

34:47Ledley King:Yeah, and I'll probably do an help

34:50Paul Konchesky:saying to him,

34:51Stephen Bywater:I don't fucking want to play for you,

34:53John Terry:blah, blah, blah.

34:54Ledley King:Yeah, there we go.

34:56Stephen Bywater:That was at Charlton,

34:57Ledley King:not at West Ham.

34:58Bobby Zamora:Yeah, yeah, yeah.

34:59Ledley King:Great digging. Great digging. But that was at Charlton. I don't want to play for you. I want to leave. I have to transfer.

35:06Stephen Bywater:Then he came there. It's a clean slate.

35:09John Terry:Deep down, I knew my time was over, really. I still had two more years there, but I probably could have just sat there and done fuck all. But I wanted to play again.

35:19Andy Todd:It's only 23, 24. 24, yeah.

35:23Scott Parker:Going back to the time under Pardew and the cup final, we've had a few lads on. We've had Ginge on and Bobby Zamora talking about, I mean, Ginge was planning his night out. we've won the FA Cup a couple of minutes left what are you thinking have you got it over the line are you real yeah

35:41Stephen Bywater:yeah I think firstly when I score

35:45John Terry:I thought it was later into the game but it was fucking 62 63 minutes and then the ball goes up there's 2-3 minutes left and fucking hell lads we've done it here like you are running around thinking fucking hell

35:59Stephen Bywater:we're going to fucking win

36:00John Terry:the FA Cup here and then what happens happens Scaloni kicks it heads it down to Gerrard and anyone else but him I think it don't go in but it fucking puts a screamer in I say the middle Jimmy Walker would say it was bottom and he'd save it

36:20Paul Konchesky:that's exactly what he said it wasn't in the top so I say middle and he went well I would have

36:24Ledley King:caught it then but

36:29Stephen Bywater:that's what he would have said I know, but yeah, anyone else but him, it don't go in. And then extra time we get through that and I think penalties is anyone's fucking, anyone's game.

36:41John Terry:But yeah, you're so fucking close. But they've got fantastic players and like I say, it happens, falls to him.

36:50Andy Todd:Winning the FA Cup for your team as well. I know. It's nice winning the FA Cup, but for your team, it's been incredible. I'm talking about it then, for fuck's sake. shit

37:02John Terry:but you do you think you're so so close and then it's fucking two minutes to go and he

37:08Paul Konchesky:puts one in

37:09Scott Parker:and rockets it in the goal and it's one of them as well in the future if you win the FA Cup if they're not sacked and pardy are they for a bad run it might affect you

37:18John Terry:for the dance on the touchline you don't it is deservedly so as well instant dismissal it might affect you for that but no you're right I think it would have been tough to get rid of him winning the cup final for the club. But it fucking weren't to be.

37:35Paul Konchesky:And we're sitting there so close. Was he good to play under, Pardew? Yeah, he was really good. Is he a bit my mate?

37:44Stephen Bywater:I think the lads, not lads, some of the lads called him Choco Light. If he was a bit of chocolate, you'd eat him, but he'd eat himself. But he was really good for me.

37:54Ledley King:And I think he was good for that group. We were probably all a lot of British players, a lot of young lads, which he got the best out of.

38:07Stephen Bywater:Other than when Yossi came and Teddy came, we didn't really have many big names. I think the group, he really got knitted together and we had a good solidation there

38:18Paul Konchesky:with a good group of core English boys. Were you a fan of Newbar as well as Ginge? Newbar 195, Bromford. we

38:28Ledley King:again but that's we had that group that we all went together

38:31John Terry:it weren't just individually so we had a good group Ted was probably the leader of the pack to be fair

38:37Andy Todd:well he's good for knockdown Sonny Knight out as what he were for putting another striker in Teddy Jim's touched tight

38:44Ledley King:Jimmy Walker he's touched tight to Jim because he like you say he knocked them down for a few people and Jimmy saved them he might have dropped them some went through the net a few times but he was all right yeah Jim was his man man marker

39:03Paul Konchesky:speaking of goalkeepers have you got on Bywater

39:06Ledley King:Stevie Bywater another cannon yeah he was he was a good lad Stevie was a good lad and

39:15Stephen Bywater:I don't know I can't remember what game and Jimmy probably spoke about he'd come on for Jimmy Walker at the stadium at Upton Park where you can see yourself in the screen Stevie was obviously watching

39:24Ledley King:and someone took kick off and it fizzed past Stevie's head and he was like, oh, because he's watching himself on there and weren't watching the ball and after the game, Par's like, fucking hell, Stevie went, no, gaffer. I was just looking on the screen and someone just fucking shot and I didn't see it. So he's fucking, but he was a good kid. He was a good kid and he was an animal to be fair to him. Yeah. He's into his urethficiency and stuff. Yeah, so a lot of people say that and when he left West Ham, it was, he obviously went on and done some,

39:54Stephen Bywater:I think he went to Darby and places like that but to have him around and he's probably number two or three at the time we had Shaq over with Carroll Jim he was good

40:05Paul Konchesky:just to have around with the boys and he'd be there for you Just the fact that he thought that explaining that he's watching himself on the screen

40:12Scott Parker:is a valid excuse for nearly letting him in

40:14Ledley King:I think he only said it as well because it didn't go in otherwise I don't know what he would have said he said like he's looking at himself thinking I look alright blah blah blah someone's shot and he's like fucking hell Paz was like I was watching it on the screen I was just looking at myself thinking I look alright

40:32Andy Todd:and probably think he's trolling within his rights with what he's saying it's right what I was saying yeah it's right

40:40Scott Parker:how did you feel about the great escape and stuff then if you're not involved you're in the freezer yeah

40:47Ledley King:I was home in the moon

40:48John Terry:because they're my team they're my club and the lads I was with for such a long time I train with them every day and it's just I didn't travel and be part of it. But a lot of people would say, because it was curbs, didn't you want them to go down? But they're my team and they were my mates. So they were really close mates to me. So for them to get out of it and Tevez to do what he'd done was fantastic for me because I wanted the team to do really well.

41:18Andy Todd:I can't imagine the knockdowns from Tevez were quite as good as Sherry Gomes.

41:26Andy Todd:That's so rude. That's true, true. But still a very good question. I like where you've gone with that. I bet Jimmy weren't fucking stood next to Carlo.

41:40Andy Todd:You don't have to answer that. It's leading into a question. What did you think when this pair came in? Had you heard of him?

41:50Ledley King:It was interesting. So we trained, I don't know, probably on a Tuesday, because you had Wednesday off or whatever. manager didn't take the session so like where the the manager like grant his assistant took it so the lad just trained whatever and then pods come walking onto the training pitch with with these two fellas who the who's these like lad was like oh that's who signs like off like like you say you never know never know their names didn't know who they looked like that's like they're two signings from they're not and the manager called us in and then you could see in his face that i

42:24Stephen Bywater:I think that there weren't his signings. It come from above or whoever. They obviously introduced us to him and the lad's like, fucking told ya.

42:36Ledley King:And that's probably the rest is history really because we didn't know who they were but they trained with us on the Thursday and that was it. So we... Did they stand out in training? Mascherano did. Yeah. But never fucking played. He never ever played and I remember Christian Daly tried to tackle him. He put his foot on the ball, rolled it through his legs and got it the other side. Just fucking things he could do. But he didn't play. Where Tevez, he was magical. Wasn't interested in speaking English. Didn't want to go for lessons. Where Masquerano really, really tried.

43:09Stephen Bywater:But I remember on a Friday for a game, 5-0, people around the edges. Roy Cowell was fucking on at Tevez.

43:17Ledley King:And all we turned around and turned around to Roy Cowell and just said, fuck off. In English. And that was it. He didn't speak English again. You think he can't speak, he says, Roy, fuck off. And that was it. That was the only English he ever said to, like, don't come out and the lads were pissing themselves. Because he'd go on, like, with his interpreter or, like, like, he couldn't speak and then just fucking told him and swore him because he kept going on his case.

43:45Sol Campbell:Like, on that final day, I imagine, you know, you went, everybody was in Newbar and everything with Tavaz just off home.

43:53Stephen Bywater:Yeah, them boys, they stuck together, to be fair to them.

43:58John Terry:As much as they could keep away from the training ground they did or from the boys, they were quite their own people and done stuff with themselves and their families, really.

44:08Scott Parker:I remember asking Grante about that. And it's mad to think, because Masquerana went to Liverpool and Barcelona, but he was like, we didn't trust him in playing in a two. Peter Mullins played. He said we couldn't play him in a two. So we didn't play him at all.

44:27Stephen Bywater:I think he went and played in a resi game.

44:31John Terry:A National League team, Bishop Stalkford. West Ham used to play their reserve games over there. And he went to play in a reserve team game at Bishop Stalkford under the lights at 7 o 'clock kick-off one day. Because he wanted to play or because he got told to play? I don't know.

44:45Scott Parker:I can't imagine he was enthusiastic.

44:47Stephen Bywater:No. he probably thinks more minutes I play I'm going to get in the team so I'm just going to go and do it

44:53Andy Todd:I didn't realise that Abash Caron not played that much

44:56Stephen Bywater:no he didn't play and like you say Nigel was the captain and Hayden too fair to Hayden he was really steady and he'd done really well but like you say he goes on to play for Barcelona and Liverpool played centre half

45:10Scott Parker:for Barca didn't he for a good start

45:11Paul Konchesky:he couldn't get in our team unbelievable we're going to have

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47:03Andy Todd:Yeah, exactly. It's happened to me many, many times.

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47:10Sol Campbell:Scan the QR code, link in the description, download the silly app in the App Store. Called Cosh. Nearly forgot that then. Point. Point. Were there other teams in fear when it came to leaving West Ham? Were there options?

47:27Ledley King:There was a couple. I spoke to Glasgow Rangers. I spoke to Birmingham by going to Fulham. Out to the week in London? Did you ever... Yeah, and the Scottish one was, I think at the time,

47:42Stephen Bywater:I thought I was too young and you hear about you want to end your career there. So I thought at 25, 24, 25, I'm probably too young to go up to Scotland and go and play. So that was that. And then the other one was, yeah, I might have to go to London rather than to Birmingham and not have to really move my family.

48:03Sol Campbell:I think if you went to Rangers and you're pulling trees up, you're only going to get a move then to a Fulham. I don't think you're going to get picked up by a top four club. Do you think? Do you agree?

48:19Andy Todd:I don't know if that's the most sensible thing you've ever said, Chris. I know what you mean, yeah. You're either going there young to try and progress or you're going out to greys, aren't you?

48:31Sol Campbell:More likely to go to a Fulham and then get a move.

48:35Andy Todd:But you're playing the Prem, aren't you, as opposed to the Scottish Prem.

48:40Sol Campbell:I'm saying I think you made the right decision.

48:44Scott Parker:We've had Laurie on and he got a bit of stick, didn't he, for what he said. But he basically said that they've got him to thank for Fulham's team that made it all the way to the final.

48:56Paul Konchesky:He made about nine signings that summer. a lot of Northern Irish boys

49:03Stephen Bywater:I was one of them signings so yeah yeah luckily he took me to the club but he did say he took about nine signings that season

49:13John Terry:to be fair to him and for whatever reason we just couldn't win football match we could not win a game under him it got to about it it were coming at Christmas so it was just before Christmas that Laurie got the sack. But for him to take me there, I'd always say thank you. And just wasn't sure that the boys were buying into what his philosophy was and to try and play that way, really.

49:45Scott Parker:From a selfish point of view, though, are you just happy you're back playing?

49:48John Terry:Yeah, I just wanted to play. Still local, still in London. I haven't really had to move my family. and I knew that I was going to probably play week in, week out so it was a good move for me then.

50:00Scott Parker:I'm going early with this question

50:02Paul Konchesky:but from that era who did you hate playing against? I'd say Ronaldo.

50:07Sol Campbell:It's not a bad one. It's not bad is it?

50:09Paul Konchesky:And Nani, they both used to swap.

50:13Stephen Bywater:So both Man United boys. I used to love playing against Reyes from Arsenal and Lundberg but that I'd always think Ronaldo and Nani that this is going to be a fucking nightmare today because they could do everything and he probably didn't get as much credit Nani on the other flank that Ronaldo got because he was Ronaldo because I wasn't sure

50:38Scott Parker:if it was early Ronaldo it was all tricks wasn't he yeah he was maybe too much

50:42Ledley King:but he still could run

50:43Stephen Bywater:he still had both feet he still could head it he probably just learnt along the way with the Premier League and the players he obviously played with that you can't do that all the time but

50:54John Terry:yeah it was just left right step overs whatever he wanted to do but he was crazy

51:01Scott Parker:Is there anything you mentioned Lundberg there and Reyes that you didn't mind playing against where you thought I've got your number Yeah

51:08Ledley King:I liked I say I didn't mind playing against because I liked the battles

51:12Stephen Bywater:I always knew there would be a good battle and you might get on top I might get on top but Penham was the same playing against Jermaine

51:20Ledley King:he was he was a good one to play because you thought you always had him he'd run down the line and just cross it but he brought more to his game which was always good for me

51:31Stephen Bywater:because you have to be on your toes so

51:33John Terry:there's three or four that I enjoyed playing against

51:36Paul Konchesky:but two I didn't really like playing against I used to look at Aaron Lennon and think if I'm a left back

51:43Scott Parker:he is the last back but he was rapid yeah just sheer pace wasn't he

51:47Stephen Bywater:he brought it more into the game but he used to just run and kick it so I was quite quick so I didn't mind that but when they start doing things and chopping inside and going outside that's when I think it frazzles your own head so you don't know where they're going to go

52:00Paul Konchesky:what's the best thing about Hodgson as a manager

52:07Paul Konchesky:I just think his

52:09Stephen Bywater:structure which I'm going to probably contradict it because when you train every day it's the same it's quite boring but I think you knew what he wanted and just the way he managed people I think that was his best part listen when I was at Fulham we trained for 45 minutes 50 minutes a day maximum so he first session he came in we backed rondos and he went no no that fucking don't win your titles and definitely don't make you fucking stay in the Premier League so we'd never done it he said if you want to do that I'll train you stay out and do what you want to do after that so we never ever done a rondo until we started winning games because he was so he wanted to warm up passing drill and then we've done like shape against mannequins or sometimes against each other but you could take my position you could take Danny Murphy's everyone would know what he wanted no matter who played in the team you'd know so I'd say he was

53:05John Terry:really good at it but sometimes as a player it's really boring Sounds a bit like Tony Pueless

53:10Andy Todd:I mean so this is this is 2010 so that's what 15, 16 years ago nearly so no wonder you only train for 50 minutes because Roy must have been what 94, 95 Must have been Still must have been Old cunt then He must fucking hate They had a good left foot You know

53:29Ledley King:His left foot was alright Roy I saw a clip of That was at Palace He was even older But Roy had a good left And he tried there All the time To show you how to do it But

53:39Andy Todd:He must fucking hate His missus You know what I mean Just stop at home Roy You've got enough money now Fucking chill out You old bastard

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54:09Sol Campbell:He said what Laurie said about bringing them players in, but it was Roy that got him playing a tune.

54:16Ledley King:Yeah. And probably because of that, everyone knew. so we as players all we want to do is five sides and shooting and fuck around really but Roy had us and I think he must have done he learnt it in Italy he must have learnt it in Italy because I think he'd done loads when he was at Milan and in Milan and things it was just shape against each other against mannequins but always consistent so we probably could do the same session three times a week so it gets repetitive but you know what you're doing it's quite weird when you're winning

54:47Sol Campbell:it all starts to click into place. Yeah, it's quite weird.

54:52Ledley King:It's really boring, but like you said, he gets you results and you look back now and you think, fucking hell, he'd done that for a reason and he made us better as a group.

55:02Andy Todd:Demoralising when you're getting beat by the mannequins. But not bad then, are they?

55:08Scott Parker:I know Danny Young, you know, the kick man. He used to say, Roy loves us. Did he used to have Danny kicking balls, you know, I'm not sure I'm playing that yeah

55:19Paul Konchesky:the kit man just because sometimes I don't know

55:23Stephen Bywater:he'd need 22 he might only have 20 so the kit man would be out there Danny just sitting at right back and playing

55:29Ledley King:that's why sometimes I think he used to get involved not run around but he used to whip his left foot out and have a few but yeah he was he was a I'll never forget he was more as a

55:44Stephen Bywater:family man than probably football he always said your family's come first regardless they're always going to be there football's not so if they've got any problems and any issues your family comes first so if you need a day off come and see me because you can have it off tomorrow because your family's more important so that always stuck with me with Roy because he cared about you as an individual rather than you just all the same

56:09Andy Todd:nice and honest you've got a party on a Sunday night innit Gaffer has any chance to get Monday off the missus she's going to doctors yeah no problem get his fucking

56:18Scott Parker:noobar I bet Jimmy used to wind him up some at Rotten did he well I'd

56:24Stephen Bywater:yeah he'd wind everyone up there wouldn't he Jim just in meetings really when he was trying to get his stuff over Jimmy's always fucking around do you know what he's like and then he couldn't sit still well stand still outside he's fucking kicking balls around always talking he's like shouting and

56:40Ledley King:talking and just in everyone's ear all fuck off Jimmy shut up but I think the manager got his sense of humour and that was good

56:51Paul Konchesky:to be fair that was good guys what's the most

56:54Scott Parker:memorable game from that was it Europa then or UEFA Europa League Europa League run

57:01Stephen Bywater:probably the Juventus game so losing 3-1 in Turin I think you've got no chance of coming back now

57:11John Terry:against a team that big

57:14Stephen Bywater:and coming back to Craven Cottage we've done really well at home in the Europa League in Craven Cottage which you get so far and you think we could beat anyone but losing 3-1 away you think they get a goal we're fucked early on Bobby scored then Cannavaro gets sent off so then you think we've got a chance here get another two but they go and score so it's like really late on where I don't know if you ever remember it, the Clint Dempsey chip is out wide on the edge of the box and he chips the goalie to make it 4-3 on aggregate. It was unreal. The atmosphere from the minute one really was unreal because I think the fans must have thought that the game's done, but that was really good for us in Europe.

58:05Stephen Bywater:And then we obviously score early and they get man sent off and I think we've got a chance. but late on Clint scores 89th minute I think and make it 4-3

58:14John Terry:which was an unbelievable turnaround really for us

58:19Andy Todd:It's a strange one that as well because we've had lads on who played for Fulham who says it's totally different to other clubs supporters wise it's like well played and lucky you know what I mean But they was like that In Europe It was completely

58:34John Terry:different Obviously European Knights

58:39Stephen Bywater:they're not used to and probably we weren't used to. So it was like that on a Saturday afternoon playing Burnley. Oh, well done, lads. Oh, you're shit. Yeah. But then you wrote the stuff. It was so different. Like the evenings were... You see the Champions League days and all that now.

58:58John Terry:That's where Craven Cottage was. It was fantastic. Why can't you not be out on a Saturday?

59:04Stephen Bywater:No, you're right, yeah. But all them games ain't probably as big for them. them games really.

59:10Scott Parker:If you think back at that time did you know that Hodgson really liked you and that if he gets another job he'd take you or did you just think he's playing as I'm happy?

59:22Ledley King:Probably a little bit of both. I knew he liked me. He used to say things to me like I've never seen someone like you with a left foot you can run or 1v1s.

59:30Sol Campbell:Do you want to come round for dinner on Sunday?

59:33Ledley King:1v1s you rarely get beat blah blah blah. He couldn't come and wipe my ass on me could you? So I knew he liked me, but I never ever thought that if he ever got anywhere else that he would take me.

59:47Stephen Bywater:Because I was happy there and I was playing every game. So it was, yeah, the manager likes me and he put me back in the team when I got injured straight away. And I think as a player, that gives you a big boost. So when you get to the Liverpool job, when did you first hear that there was interest? Probably early August, I get a call or my agent calls me and says, Roy said that if they can do a deal with Fulham, he wants to take you to Liverpool. And I'm like 31, so I'm thinking, fucking hell. One of the biggest clubs in history. I have to make it happen. It has to happen. Didn't probably have a lot of money to spend, so he's come for me.

1:00:27Stephen Bywater:Rather than if he had a lot of money, he might not have come for me, which helped me in one way. but Fulham was being really, really hard to play with. Mark Hughes was the manager. You're not going anywhere. We haven't got anyone to take your place. Until we get someone, you're not going anywhere. And it was getting later and later. So the season kicked off like it does now. The transfer winner's still going. I went away to Bolton, first game of the season, didn't play. Somewhere else we went second game, didn't play. I went out to go and knock on Mark Hughes' door. and say, listen, you've played for the biggest clubs in the world, Barcelona, Man United.

1:01:07Stephen Bywater:I've got an opportunity to do that. Please just let it happen. You've had this opportunity. I've never had it. 31, it's never going to happen in my lifetime again. You're not going anywhere. If we don't get anyone, you're not going anywhere.

1:01:20Ledley King:So you're just going to be here until the end of the transfer window. So I didn't play right up until 30th of August. Is this your choice or their choice? No, Fulham's choice. You're quite happy about that.

1:01:32Sol Campbell:In terms of you're not going to get injured or anything, so if it is going to happen, at least you're protected on that front. Probably, yeah, but... Because Roy wants to sign you no matter what, doesn't he?

1:01:42Scott Parker:Yeah, but he's not going to wait around.

1:01:45Sol Campbell:Yeah, if he gets somebody else, I don't know what you mean.

1:01:47Ledley King:So, yeah, 30th of August, my agent said, we've been told we can go to have a medical and talk to them, but you're not allowed to sign because they've still not got their player they want.

1:02:00John Terry:so I had my medical in Liverpool just in a hotel really And that night, they fell through. That deal fell through for Fulham. You're going to have to go back. I said, I'm not going back. Fuck that. I'm not going. Next day, they ring my agent and say, right, we've got this. I can't remember. He was a Mexican boy they signed. Fulham, he ended up signing. What are you doing here? You're just sitting in a hotel? Yeah, wait. My medical's done. Have a wonder-rope dot. My terms are agreed. All I had to do is sign. so it was the 31st

1:02:35Stephen Bywater:and it got to about midday amazing they're going to call us by 2 o 'clock so by 3 o 'clock it was done but it was just weird how it happened

1:02:46John Terry:I didn't play and then on the 30th I got told I'm allowed to go and have a medical but still might not be allowed to go so it was really weird and my head was fucked and all I wanted to do was go and sign for sign for Liverpool really

1:02:57Andy Todd:and do you know in that month where you weren't playing what were you like in training and that were you alright or were you sulking

1:03:03Ledley King:No, I was fine. I probably had a sulk on, but I probably weren't like the Scotty Parker when he was kicking balls.

1:03:10Stephen Bywater:But the manager knew I weren't happy.

1:03:11Sol Campbell:Do you think about it? Do you think about doing a Scotty Parker?

1:03:15Stephen Bywater:Yeah, of course, yeah.

1:03:16Ledley King:But then I was thinking, if I have to stay, I just want to play.

1:03:21Stephen Bywater:So my head was up my arse a little bit. And to be fair to Fulham, they offered me a new deal just before. They said, we'll give you a new four-year deal. And I said, nah, I want to go.

1:03:31John Terry:I want to go and test myself for a club without history really.

1:03:36Scott Parker:Was it not very little to do with money either? Was it just the fact that it was Liverpool? I mean you might be getting your wages and there's one thing but was it the fact that it was Liverpool?

1:03:45John Terry:Yeah, that was the biggest thing.

1:03:48Stephen Bywater:To test myself probably, like I say, the history of the football club at 31, I'm never, and I've never had that opportunity as a young boy and this is the opportunity that I'm going to get to probably play for one of the biggest clubs in the Premier League.

1:04:02Scott Parker:That must have been some feeling, though, walking out with us, never walk alone.

1:04:08Ledley King:Yeah, and I think when you go to Anfield as a player,

1:04:10Stephen Bywater:you hear that song, but you don't probably take it in as much. But when you play for the club and you walk out and you hear them singing, the air's on the back of your neck like they stick up and get a little lump in your throat when it's so loud

1:04:22Paul Konchesky:and how much it means to them. Did you do well in your own...

1:04:27John Terry:I thought for the first six months when Roy was there, I thought I'd done all right.

1:04:30Stephen Bywater:And then obviously Roy left and Dalgleish came in and then I went to Forest a month later.

1:04:38Scott Parker:He wasn't messing about, was he?

1:04:40Paul Konchesky:In and out.

1:04:43Scott Parker:I don't know if you heard Hodgson speak about it, but he'd said he'd spoke to Carriger after all of this about what he did wrong. And he said there'd been, you know what you're saying about his training. and Liverpool had had that for years under Benitez, you know, the shadow player, and then Hodgson's come in. So you think the Liverpool lads are like, we're going to be doing, we might do rondos or we might do five asides. He's done exactly the same thing. So I bet the lads were like, here we go again.

1:05:10Stephen Bywater:And to be fair, I think them two, Carragher and Gerrard, must have spoke to him about that, but nothing changed because that's his way and that's how he thinks he gets the best out of people. And like you say, I think they've been so used to it. But before Benitez,

1:05:24John Terry:I think it was all like five a side, which was the Liverpool way, wasn't it? But since that and then Roy, it was probably too much room.

1:05:33Andy Todd:So when Roy actually got the Liverpool job, did you think he'll do well there or fuck Roy?

1:05:39Ledley King:No, I thought he'd do well.

1:05:41Stephen Bywater:Just working with him for three years and what he does and what he brings, I thought he would do well.

1:05:47John Terry:I look back now, I say that they're bigger players, but he'd done England as well. but maybe that step every day with big players was too much for him.

1:06:00Scott Parker:Because he got a bit of stick, didn't he, from the fans.

1:06:03Paul Konchesky:Did you get lumbered with that as well because you were his signing? Yeah, and I say it as well from being down south

1:06:11Stephen Bywater:because Joe Cole was in the same predicament as me. It took Cole there and when Roy left, me and Cole got tied us maybe with the same brush from London, blah, blah, blah. but what I would say is I learnt loads

1:06:24John Terry:and I did love my first six months there, being at a football club as big as Liverpool and what the pressures bring. I think the pressures are different and the expectations are different day in, day out.

1:06:36Sol Campbell:It's sad to think of that tribalism or the London lads. That's the problem. They're multinationals, people from everywhere, isn't they? Because he's brought you in.

1:06:47Andy Todd:What would he like as a player, as an actual footballer, dirt coat?

1:06:51Stephen Bywater:Worked hard. But I think you know that. But could score a goal. I don't know if I would look at him and say he was one of the best talented footballers I've played with. But what he did do is score a goal and work his nuts off. And even if he was having a bad game he'd work his nuts off.

1:07:15Sol Campbell:Did Kenny have a conversation with you at all when he came in?

1:07:19Ledley King:Kenny was really good, to be fair. He was like, I think this might be a bit big for you, this football club, but you are a good player and you deserve to play in the Premier League.

1:07:32Stephen Bywater:He said, but I just need to keep the team happy

1:07:35John Terry:for whoever comes in as manager after me. So that's why I left, to go and play at Forest. Because probably again, 31, 32, I just want to play. So with that conversation, I'm not going to play. and I think Glenn Johnson ended up playing left back to be fair, Jono and then someone else coming at right back.

1:07:55Scott Parker:The thing is he might be telling the truth and it might be true but that's getting my back up that if he's saying this club's a bit too big for you.

1:08:01Ledley King:Yeah.

1:08:01Scott Parker:Even though he might be saying it in the right way I'd be like I'd be half human about it.

1:08:06Stephen Bywater:But it's really tough then because what do I do is stay there and not play and be a million miles away from my family unhappy or just go and play and be happy again.

1:08:16Andy Todd:How old did you sign at Liverpool? Three? Four years. four years yeah oh I think I'm sitting tight to my attention fuck you Kenny no no no this club's big enough to pay my fucking door for another four years

1:08:33Sol Campbell:did stuff get out in the press did your mum say something about fans and stuff

1:08:36Ledley King:I think I remember the game I was like Stoke on a Tuesday night pissing down Windy and someone must have said something so my mum probably being my mum's looking after her little boy but she said something on Facebook where I think she thought she sent it to private a private message to someone which

1:08:54John Terry:she obviously didn't so she don't know how to use media and all that I think it was something like scass scum or something so then I go in and the day after the press the press guy was like have you seen this with your mum I said I'm on Facebook so I said no I was like alright but then it just it exploded really so you have to make the call

1:09:21Andy Todd:it's raw reversal you'll get in your mum a ball again but say goodbye to that but my mum would probably my mum would probably say that she was

1:09:29Ledley King:just saying what she thought and sticking up for me but you look back I look at people say stuff now it's probably no worse than what my mum says but I think back then it was everyone blows everything

1:09:41John Terry:out of proportion but it was one of them things and probably regrets it but what can you do you can't fucking turn back the clock can you

1:09:50Andy Todd:what were you like Billy Davis because we've had mixed reports haven't we yeah paranoid Pete like

1:10:00Ledley King:Billy Davis what a guy

1:10:04Stephen Bywater:yeah he was enthusiastic I think with the media he was a bit paranoid I don't know if something happened beforehand like in his career where he's been really stitched up but I think when he'd done interviews, he was really in and out, really, because he was paranoid that stuff might get twisted, turned out. I'm not sure, but the lads that used to say when I joined him, he's enthusiastic, loves football, runs around, but he's really paranoid, and I think you could see it when you're with him more.

1:10:39Andy Todd:Did he pick you a weight? Did he pick you a weight? Apparently, he just used to look at lads and go, 73. and you had to be at 73 kilograms even if you were 78. That's right. There's no science behind it. No science, yeah. 72 and then you've got to get to 72 no matter what you fucking did.

1:10:59John Terry:I'm probably lucky because I've come from Liverpool in January

1:11:01Stephen Bywater:so they've probably done that already. He was really good with me. I played every game under him and him and Ned Kelly and that so it was good there. We used to get Mondays off come in Tuesday because he wanted to stay in Scotland and Wednesdays off so them times were quite good because you get more days off

1:11:20Paul Konchesky:than you're fucking training. What did you sign at Leicester? Four years contract as well, yeah. At 32?

1:11:27John Terry:Yeah, 32.

1:11:28Paul Konchesky:How did it all get resolved

1:11:30John Terry:at Liverpool? Yeah, obviously I had three years left and a certain amount of money and we come to an agreement that I'd go if I got this so I got looked after there and got another decent contract when I went to Leicester after that. It's a big club, Kenny, isn't it?

1:11:48Andy Todd:You need to splash your money out.

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1:12:00Scott Parker:Love the hat, by the way.

1:12:02Andy Todd:Thank you. By the way, you know the kits I've seen that are over here in Ireland?

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1:12:07Scott Parker:They're all really nice kits.

1:12:09Sol Campbell:Yeah.

1:12:10Scott Parker:But none better than the big dog.

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1:14:15Sol Campbell:Did it hurt a bit to drop, like, obviously you've got this move, like you said, to a club the size of Liverpool, and that six-month, well, seeing out the season with the lawn, to then drop down to the Championship. Did that hurt a little bit? Were there clubs in the Premier League interested?

1:14:34Ledley King:Did it hurt? Not really. Because once I knew Leicester was interested and it was Sven again,

1:14:42John Terry:so obviously Sven took me away with England twice and I knew he liked me. And when I spoke to him with the ambition of the club and the new owners, it was probably a no-brainer for me, really, to go to Leicester and be part of what their plans were.

1:15:00Andy Todd:Like you said, they were building, weren't they? Is that the one's already in there, the family that's in there?

1:15:05John Terry:Yeah, obviously, Goughborough, Biffishai and his son Top. Yeah, so they took over the year before and the ambition is they wanted to be in the Premier League within three years and they were, to be fair, the way he backed them. Did you ever meet his missus, Spence? What one?

1:15:26Scott Parker:Shagga.

1:15:28Andy Todd:Nancy? No, never. No. I just wonder what she smelt like.

1:15:37Sol Campbell:Oh, dear. Did you know that Mahrez and Vardy would go on to be the players that they are?

1:15:47Stephen Bywater:I knew they had a minimum. So, Vard's obviously a different background to what Riyad had and come from non-league. He's probably as scatty now as he was, but he wanted to learn. I think that was the biggest part of him, knowing where he came from. So what he had given to him just to be at Leicester was massive for him. But I always knew that he'd score goals. Did I think he'd had the career he's had? Maybe not what he's had, but I knew he'd do well at the game

1:16:20John Terry:because he just wanted to learn and score goals and that was all he was about. And Mahrez was someone that, if I knew that

1:16:29Stephen Bywater:I know he weren't big he was really slight but he was even slighter when he first came but he could

1:16:35John Terry:he could do things without football that other people could and he was like a magician he was so magical and I think I knew if he could put on some weight that he would go and be one of the best players because he could like I say he could do things that people

1:16:50Paul Konchesky:couldn't even think about doing Would it be fair to say that

1:16:54Scott Parker:knockout was more highly thought of than Mahrez at that time. Just from playing against him, I always thought

1:17:01Paul Konchesky:Knockout was better. Yeah, and I think because Knockout was there a bit before him,

1:17:05Stephen Bywater:he was a fan's favourite because another little wizard on the football, I think. But I think once Mahrez settled and played at the top, he was, I'm going to sound really harsh, but I think he was a lot better than Knockout with the ball and when he made things happen. But to have either one on each wing was fantastic for us.

1:17:31Andy Todd:Were you there when he chipped the penalty? At Watford. Yeah. Surely somebody's got to give him a fucking clip after that, hasn't there? Like, come on, mate. And then they go and score.

1:17:43Sol Campbell:Is that the Dini thing? Were you playing when being scored?

1:17:46John Terry:I had an early operation just before. I was stabbed, to be fair, because I weren't ready to play and then we was doing alright so there's no point in coming on and then that happens and then Deeney goes up the other end and scores and then to be fair I think the fans give him more sick than the lads he's just come in crying and young kid oh he's played

1:18:06Andy Todd:the crying card hasn't he fuck off

1:18:11Stephen Bywater:yeah just come in crying and what can you do what's the end of in a sombre dressing room

1:18:15John Terry:yeah it was it was horrible yeah it was disgusting and you've got to go on holiday that summer and thinking what could have been and now we're back

1:18:25Paul Konchesky:where it was. At that time

1:18:27Scott Parker:are you thinking just bearing in mind your age I know you've got a couple of years left but are you thinking your chance of playing in the Premier League again is going to be

1:18:35Paul Konchesky:over? Yeah because I think I joined less than thinking the first year round

1:18:39Stephen Bywater:and we're going to get promoted and I'll be back in the Premier League which it obviously didn't but it didn't happen and I knew we had a good team and a good squad but we all know what football's like getting back in the Premier League is a tough ask so maybe on that was probably the opportunity to get back in the Premier League and it didn't so yeah it could have been over but I knew that I always was at a big football club which had ambitions of being back to the top could it be in my my time there I was

1:19:12John Terry:desperately open for but it might not have been but obviously I was lucky enough to get promoted the year after

1:19:18Paul Konchesky:yeah you pissed at

1:19:19Andy Todd:the last evening Let's get this time-wise then. So Sven Garnett, who signed you? Sven? Sven, yeah. And what league were they in? Championship. I thought Pearson took them from League One to Championship, Championship to Prem.

1:19:31John Terry:No, he came in after Sven.

1:19:33Stephen Bywater:Right. Well, he's had three goes there now, Pearson.

1:19:38John Terry:He did take them from League One to Champ. Right. Then Sven and then Pearson came back and took us to the Premier League. Did he like you? Pearson, yeah.

1:19:48Stephen Bywater:and I don't know who, I didn't know him before and I always thought him on the sidelines like a headmaster. When I was at school, I thought the headmaster and I was a bit wary of him. But another guy that was really good with man management,

1:20:06John Terry:but he could throw a cup of tea or kick the boot box if you got on the wrong side of him. but he liked me and again I was lucky enough to play quite a lot of games under him good artist did you know that is he

1:20:22Scott Parker:apparently yeah

1:20:25Sol Campbell:caricatures you never do caricatures

1:20:28John Terry:no because every time we had time off he used to go like a mountain walk so it was a bit weird like that he used to go off on his own and just walk mountains did he used to have

1:20:37Andy Todd:a nip he used to have a nip of whiskey or something before the game

1:20:40John Terry:Nigel so as we used to go out there used to be it was Zambuca like black Zambuca Zambuca? Yeah Flaming? Yeah it was like

1:20:48Stephen Bywater:little shots of it and him and his staff always had one before we went out and at half time as we go out yeah Zambuca?

1:20:56John Terry:Barnes had a couple to be fair now and again

1:20:58Sol Campbell:That's like Marbella tackle like Magaluf tackle isn't it? Just flaming them all up before you go out

1:21:05Ledley King:Barnes used to have a couple like now and again before he went out yeah Zambuca Red Bull He's already had his Red Bull he's just had the shots

1:21:12Andy Todd:Ding, ding, ding, ding, ding. What was Harry Kane like when he came?

1:21:17Ledley King:He had a couple of loans before and they didn't really work out for him. Someone that just wanted to score goals. Could you tell he was going to... No, he couldn't. And I'm probably being arsed because he didn't really play a lot for us. And that's probably where Vards gets it from as well because him and Vards just always start doing loads of finishing. So Harry Kane was, he was a top-class finisher.

1:21:43Stephen Bywater:You could see who could finish. But we had Jess Lingard there as well and Nigel didn't pick him either.

1:21:50John Terry:So at one time,

1:21:51Stephen Bywater:I think the three of them was on the bench

1:21:53John Terry:and it was like, I don't know.

1:21:56Sol Campbell:That's hindsight, isn't it? It's fucking hell in hindsight. Do you know what I mean? At the time.

1:22:00Ledley King:Yeah.

1:22:00Sol Campbell:Young lads.

1:22:02Ledley King:You look at their careers they've had and gone and had, it was like, fucking hell. They sat on the bench for a couple of games and Nigel didn't pick them.

1:22:09Stephen Bywater:but Harry Kane, he could finish but I never think he'd go on and have the career that he's had because he's had an unbelievable career. I remember when...

1:22:20Andy Todd:Sam Booth, because we're not picking the team,

1:22:22Scott Parker:I remember when Pearson got sacked thinking it was harsh. Did you think that as well?

1:22:29Stephen Bywater:Yeah, yeah, I think because for what he's done, well, the second time round for the club as well and getting promoted and staying in the Premier League,

1:22:40Paul Konchesky:I think he'd done fantastic. Finishing 14th.

1:22:45John Terry:That's the highest they've finished and we'd done all right. But like I say, the owners had ambitions to kick on

1:22:54Paul Konchesky:and wanted to go another way.

1:22:56Scott Parker:I know they had ambitions, but surely going on to win the league the season after was...

1:23:02Stephen Bywater:Yeah, and I think everyone says the foundations, what Nigel had at and a lot of the players to be fair was Nigel's players and they go on and win the league whereas I don't know if anything happened in the meantime with the owners and him but

1:23:21Andy Todd:I think Ranieri got rid of the Redwood didn't he? Did you go out on loan for the Redwood? I did I wouldn't keep it up Obviously only joking

1:23:33Sol Campbell:Again that's like a new manager coming in and yeah

1:23:37Ledley King:that was a tough one for me because he really wanted me to stay oh mate but we had Christian Fuchs and Chile Ben Chilwell the two left backs and he said I really want to stay and you might play a part you might not and I'm 35 thinking if I retire at the end of this year I want to play as many league games or career games as I can. Do I want to be sitting around doing nothing? I'm like, I just want to play. So I had an opportunity to stay, but wanted to play.

1:24:17John Terry:And then could have played one, could have played 21. That would never, I'd never known that. But I chose the decision to go and play at QPR, really.

1:24:27Scott Parker:And let's be honest, at the time you're thinking, I'm going to be third choice at a team that's fighting relegation to get the mid-table.

1:24:35Ledley King:Yeah.

1:24:36Scott Parker:You never think it's going to go on the way it did.

1:24:37Ledley King:No, and obviously Chile was an understudy at the time with me and a fantastic player. He went on and had a good career and went to Chelsea and done well. But Foucault's playing, obviously Ben Chil will be number two. So can both of them get injured at the same time? Probably not.

1:24:56John Terry:So I didn't really feel like I was going to play and I just wanted to play.

1:25:00Sol Campbell:You've had a few sliding doors moments, haven't you?

1:25:02John Terry:I have yeah but obviously it's like you

1:25:05Sol Campbell:say hindsight you never know how it's gone but is there any but now

1:25:10Paul Konchesky:I look back do you expect him to win the Premier League no and to be fair Fulks got player of the year like it's good

1:25:18Andy Todd:some important goals Fulks he did he did to be fair he did some rockets

1:25:23Ledley King:yeah do you expect him to win the league no do I think I made the right decision probably yeah for my own from my own career yeah

1:25:33Scott Parker:thought provoking question from one of the Cosh punters why the fuck did he have a skin at his old career and then suddenly have hair when he finished

1:25:45Ledley King:do you know what it is I'll tell you why so when I was growing up as a kid I've got a caslic and I'm fucking trying to brush my hair this bit's going this way this going and I'm like fuck this I can't be out getting up every morning doing my hair so I just cut it off and then I was trying a little bit later and I started going grey and I thought fucking hell no chance it was only when I was I think it was 2013-14 was it grey when you grew it back like yeah places yeah

1:26:09Sol Campbell:or did it go grey like was it

1:26:11Ledley King:the first time you grew it back you had fucking hell no it was grey but yeah so like this patch come fucking get that off fuck that kind of 2013-14 I think when I went back to pre-season so in that summer we had like nine weeks off so I always cut my hair when I go on my little my little girl was only little she was six, seven. Dad, don't cut you here. When we go away, no one will see you. It doesn't matter when you're fucking on it. So, all right, no worries, babe. So come back. I'm going to cut you off back to pre-season fucking work time. No, don't cut you no more, Dad. I want you to grow it.

1:26:44Ledley King:So my little girl being my little princess, I was like, I can't fucking cut you now. She ends up like this. No, I didn't have no hair transplant and that's it. I come back growing and I had a fucking caslet.

1:26:59Andy Todd:I didn't know if it would be like a Julian Dix type thing. You know, obviously the West Ham thing.

1:27:04Ledley King:Maybe part of it, but it was when I was at school. I had a Kazakh grand year. I wanted my head to go this way. Just fucking over that bit. And I was like, fuck this. I can't be arsed with it.

1:27:15Scott Parker:That's just come to us there. Charlie Austin messaged asking, telling us to ask you about Jimmy Floyd Asselbank. That could be a grenade I've just launched there.

1:27:27Ledley King:Ah, fucking hell. Charlie loved him. It was tough. It was a tough one.

1:27:38John Terry:In the sense of,

1:27:40Stephen Bywater:it changed everything from, I don't know, we used to train Monday, Tuesday, off Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, play Saturday. We used to have Thursdays off, which was a ball ache for a lot of lads because I don't know what you're like, but when I played on a Thursday Friday, I used to be like, want to get really good sweat on knowing I'm ready for the weekend. Play Saturday, be in Sunday, doing like box-to-boxes. But as a recovery, what the fuck's this? This ain't like fucking... And it's quite late on and it just changed the whole mentality of what we'd been used to there. So you've got people like Charlie there and me there.

1:28:18Ledley King:Fucking hell, this ain't like...

1:28:19Paul Konchesky:This ain't fucking doing box-to-boxes for recovery. Fuck that, we're not doing that. what kind of pace were these box to boxes they were like three quarters

1:28:29Ledley King:they weren't like you wouldn't have to do them in like eight nine seconds they're like

1:28:33Stephen Bywater:twelve fifteen seconds but

1:28:36Paul Konchesky:you played a game yeah too much for

1:28:38Scott Parker:especially when you're

1:28:38Stephen Bywater:getting a bit older as well and the ball ache never got a day off really you got the Monday off

1:28:43Ledley King:but and then the Thursday but it was like change of routine if you like and I think as an older player you normally like your routine stubborn bastard

1:28:53Andy Todd:bastards and all yeah and you don't

1:28:54Stephen Bywater:want to change do you you're used to that I've got Wednesday I'm going to plan this to do this this and this no you're in fucking Wednesday you're training Thursday yeah and it was I think he came into a tough environment where with the boys he had there as well which didn't really buy into what he tried to change

1:29:13Sol Campbell:difficult time for you at QPR that back end

1:29:17Ledley King:no because I really like the lads and I played a lot at QPR so it was what I wanted to do back end of my career so I just wanted to play and we had good lads I think that always makes it easier when you've got a good dress room and I got on really well with Chas to be fair to him so we had a bit of banter

1:29:35Andy Todd:and it was good fun So you had a year at Gillingham and at this

1:29:42Ledley King:point now you're what 35-ish? Yeah nearly 36 so the Gillingham one was really funny because I was done I'm done now I've had enough and I'm always in the back of my head I wanted me to finish

1:29:55Stephen Bywater:football rather than football finish myself like either getting injured, touch wood or didn't but or it just passed me by and I've Justin Edinburgh he was the junior manager he spoke to me in the summer he said like do us a favour I need a left back come and play I've had enough mate if I'm honest I got on the right with Justin and he was like nah come on I need like someone with you and he said just train a couple times a week and I was like Josh I don't really want to play mate he went oh come on just come for me so I ended up going to Virginia really

1:30:28John Terry:with him and Josh Wright and thought it was going to be one more year but I went again and you

1:30:39Andy Todd:fucking went in style by the way again

1:30:41Paul Konchesky:I went again Billerickey what they call him Glenn Tamplin Tamplin

1:30:47Sol Campbell:was that that era yeah

1:30:49Ledley King:so I left Justin left in February Gillingham so Aaron was like

1:30:56John Terry:we've got a young kid we're just going to nurture him so we just sort out

1:30:59Stephen Bywater:your last bit of money you can go so it was middle of Feb near the end so Glenn rung my agent at non-league he only played until middle of April so he said there's six weeks left I'm a big West Ham fan I want to get the Bileriki on the market on the people come and support us and I've got good things coming. I was like, fucking hell. He said, whatever money they owe you, I'll give you that and then I'll pay you some money just to do the six weeks. I was like, all right then, mate. No, big West Ham fan. Lunatic, but big West Ham fan. Man of heart. So I ended up fucking doing that. End of the season, he said, why don't you sign a three-year contract?

1:31:42Ledley King:I was like, fuck. Three? I'm not signing a three-year deal here, Glenn. Do you know what I mean? I said, no chance, mate. Sorry. We went, all right, just do another year. Omaro's coming, Penance's coming, Kevin Foley, old Wolf boy. Kev's coming. So we had a good group, really. It was like four ex-pros.

1:32:01Paul Konchesky:And is it Tuesday, Thursday night, play Saturday? Or play Tuesday, Saturday?

1:32:05Stephen Bywater:Well, if the games were Tuesday, you'd play. If not, it was Tuesday. So Tuesday, Thursday, Saturday. So a lot of the games were Tuesday anyway, non-league, and then Saturday. So you train once a week, play twice. done pre-season like it was I was about 18 again like running and fucking all that bollocks he's got to be fit got to be the fittest team in the non-league that was his mentality and then started the season August September I said Glenn I've had enough mate and I walked away but to be fair he was he put the club on the spectrum

1:32:39Paul Konchesky:he'd done well for the football club Madness is what it looked like from the outside

1:32:46Ledley King:yeah he was yeah he was crazy did you ever do any of the singing I was in the dressing room when they sang but I didn't sing to be fair so I think I did he was like I was opening what song were you he was like he was going for it Jamie but

1:33:05Sol Campbell:didn't he get some dwarfs coming in in dressing room at one time

1:33:10Paul Konchesky:some what

1:33:10Sol Campbell:dwarfs yeah did he definitely seen a video with some dwarfs coming in

1:33:15Paul Konchesky:I think you've dreamt that

1:33:18Ledley King:you're into him I'll find it you're into Dwarf but he put the club on and he built them a new stadium and new stadium pitch did he know anything about football no he was a West Ham fan he tried to buy Dagon Redbridge I think a year before two years before

1:33:34Stephen Bywater:but for some reason it didn't happen so he just wanted to be an owner of a football club which is crazy because you just throw money away but yeah

1:33:44Andy Todd:There's an owner and there's an owner-manager, isn't there?

1:33:47Stephen Bywater:Yeah. He did, towards the start of the season, he stepped away and he owned it, but someone else managed it, which was probably better. Like you say, you can't do both when you don't know what to do in both jobs, really.

1:34:03Scott Parker:It makes us appreciate what Mark White's done at Dawkins, what he's done over the thing. Yeah, yeah. Your head must be in bits, constantly.

1:34:12Stephen Bywater:Yeah. Who are you picking? And that non-league is really hard, you know, because you can play for this team this week and then next week you're playing for someone else because it's just chopping and changing all the time. He always wanted the best players, or he thought was the best players, and you've got 50 players here at one time, and it's like mental. Was there any part here that didn't want Leicester to win the league?

1:34:34John Terry:No. No. And I was probably the first person to ring the chairman when they won the league. Yeah, and to be fair, again, a club that I loved and I still speak to them and I was back there last week and I'd done the Cholton Leicester game on the TV so

1:34:50Ledley King:I was probably the first guys that yeah yeah and because that was really good for me they looked after obviously me but all the players and we had some fantastic times there and they used to treat us really well

1:35:03Scott Parker:did you get in on the E8s that got given out was it the E8s?

1:35:08Ledley King:that's because they won the the league yeah the MW1 cheers mate

1:35:14Paul Konchesky:fucking hell we're filing it in

1:35:17Andy Todd:another bomb chairman fucking brilliant I'm so pleased when do I pick my car up

1:35:23Ledley King:to be fair to him though when we won the championship to go up we had all hublots made with like the two hands were like foxes because the foxes and our squad number was on the back so he was really good and he took us to Thailand he used to take us to casinos and sort us out he was a generous man and I've got a lot of time for his family

1:35:47Scott Parker:how was it managing the women I know you went to West Ham

1:35:50Ledley King:yeah yeah tough probably because and I say tough through my career and how I probably got brought up and spoke to as probably a young young man in a dressing room with older players and then being in that dressing room the way you demand stuff I think that was probably the hardest bit for me to get into my head,

1:36:14Stephen Bywater:that you can't talk to the women like that and you can't demand the stuff that you want to demand in a certain way. You have to be careful how you demanded and how you come across because even if I'm saying, I can just do this, they'll take that a different way. So I like to be careful the way you demand and how you get things across to them. but that's how

1:36:39Ledley King:I probably learnt and learnt more in the coaching because they used to ask loads of questions about how about this and how about that what if I do this so it always kept my brain going as well because I'm learning because I've got to answer these questions as well yeah it was tough but I learnt I think I learnt to be better I think that's the same

1:36:57Sol Campbell:with the men's game as well though now with the younger from what we've heard that you have to be more tactile

1:37:03Paul Konchesky:especially with the academy boys yeah what you're up to now then? Are you still involved with it all?

1:37:11Ledley King:No, not really. I do a little bit of group coaching and one-to-one stuff just to keep my mind at sight really,

1:37:19Stephen Bywater:keep my brain going and I do

1:37:20John Terry:a little bit of ambassador stuff at West Ham and hopefully at Fulham as well because it's opened their new stadium. You're keeping busy but not busy if you like. Just bits and bobs that I'm quite enjoying and spending time with my kids.

1:37:37Scott Parker:Good stuff, nice one

1:37:38Paul Konchesky:appreciate it

1:37:39Andy Todd:the Western women's shirts were always iron knives I knew he wasn't done with the women I knew it

1:37:47Scott Parker:I knew there was more to come

1:37:50Andy Todd:class been your own boss innit you know when you can't get sack you can't get sackers are you thank folk

1:37:56Sol Campbell:we're having a vote this afternoon

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