Sean Davis | Eggy Boff King

34:40I loved it. I loved playing in that team. I regret actually leaving Fulham, if I'm honest. I would have loved to have been one club. Yeah. So I've got to hear that you put a transfer request in. Is that right? Or is that... Yeah, Cookie. Stitch me up there. Cheers, Cookie. No, he rang me. I think I was going to... Everton wanted me at the time. I was going to go... I was moving to Everton. I had a medical and everything. But Cookie went, I can't sell you. The fans will lynch me. The only way you can go is put in a transfer request. And had he just come in as man... Yeah. Had he just been sacked?

35:10Yeah. Right. But the thing is, Finans left. Lewis Hohar left. I don't know if Van der Sar was still there. I'm not sure. A lot of the players are going. And it wasn't my head turned for the money. It was more of, am I going to get this opportunity again to test myself? Can I play Champions League football? Can I play in teams that are fighting for stuff? So I eventually went, all right, Cookie, I'll put the transfer request in. I'll be the bad guy. And then I fouled the medical at Everton and had to come back and play. Six weeks later, we played Everton in the cup at home. Oh, my God, the cabood and everything, which I expected.

35:49I played quite well. And in the replay, I actually scored. So, you know, football fans are fickle. After they saw, you know, he's trying to... They come around, but it was never the same. The relationship with the fans was never the same. Obviously, then I ended up not fouled the medical, but they ended up going to Spurs. And then that was just a nightmare. On paper, though, it looks... It's worked out all right. You know, moving to Tottenham is a massive club. Yeah, it was... It just wasn't a good fit. There was a lot going on in my life at the time as well. my daughter was uh she was in born three pounds six so she was a premature and she was staying in chelsea westminster hospital and i was still living in wimbledon at the time and drive like my one of my best pals i said oh he was out of work come you can work for me drive for me give me a bit of dough and i was literally getting up going to the hospital staying in the hospital then going to the training ground but i was injured and i was like can i get i just felt that the communication between the club and me just it just was not it wasn't there it was i just didn't feel like they had enough compassion for me at that moment and my head was literally like is my daughter i was free power i was what 24 at the time 25 i was shitting myself so that was a difficult period and i was injured at the same time so and the club wanted me to move closer to the training ground it was so a lot going on and then obviously when you're at a club like that and then you're injured, then they go and sign Michael Carrick, Edgar Davies and Jermaine Jennings.

37:22What chance you got? Do you know what I mean? And I think they were teeing me up. They were doing things to piss me off to get a reaction so they could try and get me out of the club. And I did bite a few times. Sounds like it worked a treat. Well, yeah, eventually they got rid of, it was a freeway deal. It was me, Noé Paramount and Pedro Mendes from Tottenham to Portsmouth. all three together so under Harry so yeah they eventually got rid of us I was surprised they got rid of Pedro though because he was he was a proper player Was Martyn Yol very Dutch? Yes Yes very The thing is Santini signed me right so Santini signs me for Spurs the French connection obviously he must have spoke with Tagana brings me in flying in pre-season uh martin y 'all was assistant frank arneson was the sporting director so even that didn't like dutch dutch french it was like and it was more equivalent we were doing set pieces one day and i think the manager said go here or something like that so i'm walking over there as i'm walking over there martin y 'all walks over and he goes says something to me so i kind of go and all of a sudden they're fucking bickering so as a player you know it's like what the fuck this ain't right and then obviously eventually Santini didn't start well I got injured actually going back to Fulham that's when I first done my knee and then obviously Martin Yeo come in Martin Yeo don't get me wrong he loved Michael Carrick but I love Michael Carrick I think I'm being honest I couldn't lace Michael Carrick's boots and that's just me being me but he was a player but then I played a few times that season me and Carers in the midfield I think I played about 16, 17 times that season, but I was having injections in my knee before every game.

39:16So, you know, the quarter zone stuff and all that. And sometimes they were draining my knee of fluid and then putting new fluid in. And I think we got to a game under Martin Yard, I think it was Middlesbrough away. I think we were fighting for the top four at the time. And I'm having injections. I'm doing my best just to get out on the pitch, not feeling the same, not as fit because I can't, I was one of those players that had to train the way I played. Ledley had the same injury as me. I don't know how he'd done it, but we played this game. First five minutes, went in 50-50 with George Boateng.

39:46Half lost it. Dunno, I still don't think I lost it. And after the game, we lost. And he blamed the whole game on that. I was thinking, what? And little things like that. I remember it was my birthday and we played Grimsby in the Carling Cup. You know when the first team take a day off and he puts the bomb squad in. I was on a bench for the bomb squad away at Grimsby on my birthday thinking, oh my God, I come on at nil-nil, near post, ball comes over, I've cleared it, it's gone out to the box, the guy smashed it back in the top corner. Blame me for that as well. So after that, obviously travel back to Grimsby.

40:24We were training the next day as well. I got back to the hotel. I'm going to have a drink, got to the bar, had a drink. Sorry, I had a fag as well. I was sitting there in the bar And then speaking with a bartender, he knew, because I stayed in the Prince Regent Hotel quite a lot. So he knew who I was. And all of a sudden he tapped me. Chris, no, not the sporting director. I don't know his name now. French guy Damiano. I can't remember his name walks in. And he taps me as if to say, hide it. I'm like, I'm fucking hiding it. Like, it's my birthday. I've just been bombed out in the bomb squad and blamed for the goal.

40:58We've been knocked out of the cup. I need to de-stress, do you know what I mean? He comes over. I went, come and see you tomorrow. And come and see him tomorrow, him and Martin Yeo in the room. Basically, we're just saying, no, it's not working. Try and get you out on loan. I went, no, fuck that. I ain't going on loan. What am I going on loan for? I'll fight for my place. I just wanted to show them. I'll fight for my place. And then it was just downhill from there. Like I'd walk. So, you know, you walk in and I'd see Martin Yeo and he'd pretend to be on his phone. No, one of those ones. Like Michael Jackson.

41:31Just hated confrontation. But I was, I didn't help myself because I was injured at the time and I was pretending, you know those big medicine balls and I was walking around the changing room pretending to be Martin. You're like, hey, that's right. And obviously the physio was then like, because there's, at the time you don't realise, but there's a lot of people that just report back. You know what I mean? Everything's said. You're not doing yourself what it feels like. But that's how I dealt with it. Yeah. I mean, I never had no one to talk to. like never had old brothers like my old man was quiet never had uncles never it was always me but i'm thinking how i'm going to work this out always had to work and obviously took me a while to work out that wasn't the best i remember getting physio's phone and sending a text from the physio's phone to martin y 'all saying i think i you have a pgs from the physio's phone it was brilliant so then we go out to training and before training martin y 'all's got a group round he's gone i can't i can't do his accent but he's thick like dutch accent saying basically who's fucking sending texts saying i've got a i've got a fucking peachy ass and he's obviously looking at me and i'm thinking i'm saying this to me carry on but but i used to do things like that because i didn't think i didn't think they handled me in the right way for instance this is how i used to get handled at spurs so we'd go out we'd be there ready with the first team you know when you're waiting for the manager to go let's go and then you go on a jog and then I'd be standing I don't know I was probably standing next time and I got on really well Robbie Keane top blow Carers top blow probably standing with them I don't know who I was standing with but I remember Martin Yeo was here and Clive Allen was over there with four of the youth two four of the under 21s maybe even Jamie O 'Hara was over there Martin Yarl would walk past me here 10 yards then walk 300 yards over there walk 300 yards back coach and I go to jog off and all of a sudden Clive Allen would go you're with me and I'd be like really?

43:34It's humiliating isn't it? It's the most embarrassing thing to get as a player all you care about is your teammates and what your teammates think of you that's who you want to impress for me I've never wanted to impress them yeah you want to impress the manager when I was younger you wanted to impress the opposition manager but you always wanted to impress your teammates and that type of mugging off that killed me because I was one of the lads and it was killing me inside and a lot of people say I like try to push the bad egg on me but I was never that they were doing things to set me up to be that person whereas instead of me going and going in his office and having it out of him I went, fuck that.

44:14Got the ball and just started doing kick-ups around the pitch. Blasting one over there. Getting the ball. Launching one over there. Just training by myself then going in. Because I went over to Clive Allen once. We were doing crossing and shooting about a goalkeeper. What is that? And I felt sorry for Clive because he got the brunt of it. Fans can never understand why footballers see football as a job. You know, they always think, you know, you grew up loving football and you can tell the enthusiasm hasn't you spoke about a Fulham that you absolutely loved football led? Oh, I loved it, yeah. Was it at that point at the top then when you thought, maybe this has ruined the dream?

44:50It's not what everybody... It's a job. It turns into a job. It turns into a job. Yeah, it did turn into a job and it turned... Do you know what I think? After I got my mum and dad a house, I kind of wasn't bothered. Was that the goal? That was always the goal. Yeah. That was always the goal. A quick break, gents, from one of our favourites. The creme de la creme of VPN services. NordVPN. The best in the business. If you don't know what a VPN service is, it allows you to vouch your location anywhere in the world. Anywhere in the world. And where have we been lately? Swindon. We didn't need it in Swindon, but we did need it in Dubai.

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48:27Back in this battle, pick a meal to pick a side. A participating McDonald's while supplies last. Can I share about a few characters that you've played with, just with Rossigno getting a bit of stick at the minute for the way that he presents himself? Who, Liam Rossigno? Yeah. I don't even recognise him. I don't know who that guy is. He talks like he's swallowed a dictionary of long words. Listen, good luck to him. At the end of the day, a lot of people might criticise, but he's done the hard yards in the coaching. Do you know what I mean? And it's going to be tough for him, especially being a black coach as well.

49:04It is tough getting jobs. Because I know a lot of black guys are ex-players that kind of go, it's too hard. It's not going to get a chance. Like even Ashley Cole, look at him. He's had to go to Italy to get a job. So I respect him and the fact he's done the hard yards, but some of the words and some of the stuff is coming out. It's a bit like... Bollocks in it. It's a bit bollocks. I honestly think people just overcomplicate football just to get a job nowadays. Yeah. Like football's not rocket science. It's not hard, but it's, it's totally different game now than what it was. Outside looking in, it probably could think of, it couldn't think of a better manager than Harry Redknapp to get the love back for what happened.

49:42He hated me. Oh dear. Yeah. It's Harry's a tricky one because a lot of people ask me about Harry, but it's like, how can you say something about someone who's loved by the whole country? It's like when that bird had a go at Ian Wright, who's like he's finished for her when it was her name uh look i had a dig at ian right everyone seems harry but there's no easy way to say that he hated me he did not like me one bit the things he used to like do oh my god i remember once there was a few lads injured like uh david nugent richard hughes martin craney mark all the british lads and like and i was i was i went injured at the time and they were having a jolly up they were coming in getting a silly ultrasound for 20 minutes going to lunch a bit of gym work playing table tennis and they were fucking off the minute i got injured they were fuming because it went to double sessions where did this come from like what was the thing because he signed you is that right yeah he signed me with three players so pedro mendez me and no way but we've got to remember when he signed me i'd played for ages none of us had really we're all fit so the first couple of games got through you get through with adrenaline like but then obviously after that kind of the form wasn't there so if you're not playing well it was kind of i don't actually know really just just did not like me one bit but then obviously once i know that beat your ass you can't be saying how he's gonna beat your ass Like, yeah, but yeah, it was a strange, I didn't like, if I'm honest, I didn't like him at all.

51:24I didn't like anything about him. I didn't like his voice. I didn't like his face. I didn't like his training sessions. Right. I used to call him, I used to call him baggy face. Like he used to, his voice used to go straight through me and he just, he just didn't like me. I remember we were on, well, actually, this is a good example. So the three of us signed, who I mentioned, Pedro, Emendez, me, Noah. We were doing this drill where, so me and Noah are in the line, lining up to, so one person pings it, sets it, and then he goes to that position. And you just move or change position, so you eventually get a shot on your goal.

52:02So literally, the ball's gone. Pedro's pinged this ball. Oh, sizzled. No, knee high. Steven Gerrard passed. Harry's looked round. You see me and Noah standing together. he's gone Pedro you're the best signing I ever made son you're fucking unbelievable and he started looking at me and Noe because obviously you signed together and me and Noe just thought we started cracking up laughing and then he was like the old twitch came and all that he was fuming he goes bright red little things like that he used to do all the time to be fair you're not Brett Ormerod was the biggest surprise he played under in the Southampton yeah and he absolutely slaughtered him out of nowhere didn't he if you remember yeah and you think brett played under him he this is hard working lad yeah fuck me as a manager though like he was he was a good manager as in he got the best out of the players and the players that he didn't really talk to or didn't like wanted to do so well i i i would never ever toss off a game do you know what i mean so he always knew no matter what if i played i'd give 110 i'll never forget i played once we played from the beginning of the season it was me uh papadio and montari in the midfield and we were flying like when i mean flying we'd won loads of games we had canu we had uh we had we had defoe we had crutch and i we were playing so well and in january then he bought lasana diara and i never played again since you know i mean it was like but we played one game against black and he actually gave me half a compliment but then half not it was like come off the pitch I played well I think we won 1-0 I played really well I had a good game and I don't say I had a good game too often and I'm laying on the bench after and he kind of punches me and he goes why can't you be serious all the time and I was thinking just say well done just say well played I just think I honestly think he thought I was shit at football that's why and i was like sometimes i used to walk in with a racing post thinking if he sees the racing post he might say hello to me all right so he's so impressive he probably saw me and went it's him no i'm not going to say nothing and then richard jews would be behind me but oh richie you see that all swan nothing nothing i think he thinks i was a pisshead as well i don't know why like you were a bit uh like i but i was having a drink when everyone was doing it when it was when it wasn't like no more than anybody else no more than really than anybody else but then when that portsmouth we had a great great bunch of lads we'd just go to tgi for anything have a bit of darts have a few drinks but nothing mad i just used to think maybe i was the ring leader of because we used to have uh like a group at portsmouth we they called them the a team just for banter but we used to do loads of stuff we used to like pimp up a van and i actually pimped up the van and drove it onto the training ground and jumped out the van while I still going in roly polies, pretended to shoot people.

55:07So things like that didn't help me. But for me, but you probably see it on YouTube actually. We actually pimped this, it was the only Fools and Horses car, but then we turned it into like all black with the red stripe. Then whoever lost the predictions on the weekend had to spend£500 on the car doing it up. I think J-Mo then got in and put like a loud speaker on it at the top. and then we put all alloy wheels on in it. And it got to one point where I played the A-Team music. But I actually went to Tony Adams, the assistant manager, and went, I'm going to do that. Because I think we were going through a bad stage, just losing a few games.

55:43I went, can I drive this onto the pitch? And the lads will buzz off it. And he was like, yeah, cool. And then the physio were playing the A-Team music out the window and all that. The lads loved it, but he just hated things like that. But that sounds from the episode, like good team building stuff. Yeah, get the lads. it can be but then you can be then seen as the bad egg and that's what i hate i was i never was the bad egg but then maybe i was killing myself by just doing things to annoy him like i remember i had a pair of like i wasn't playing so back in the day i wasn't sponsored by nike i used to be with nike until i left fulham and then you get injured and then sponsorships and that they go but my wasn't my sponsorship was only boots and a few like go to nike town spend 500 quid but i'd take me agent and say oh you like you have that and i designed these boots so i bought them online and then you could do the colors so i put every color in this boot yeah like pink blue yellow and you know where like the people used to have them like the kids names on like the the tongue like charlie i i read u u r g h h h h and that pissed him off I was doing little things like that but I was trying to keep myself entertained because you know I'm a weird I still think I'm a weird character because God bless him my friend who used to drive for me he got the brunt of it because I used to have to muster up all the power just to try and put a smile on my face when I go into the training ground so on the way to training was an hour drive I'd literally be like gearing myself up to get out of the car yeah what's happening lads yeah but I just my main game was just to be one of the lads that was all I ever wanted to be one of the lads to be respected by the lads for the lads to actually go you're a good player I trust you or oh he's a good lad yeah for me that's it it's mad isn't it because it just shows if your face doesn't fit you fuck because if John Monker was that type of character at West Ham Haru would be like he's brilliant around the lads great around the dress Get around the changing room.

57:54Yeah. But because he didn't like you, all of a sudden, you're a bad egg. Yeah, maybe, maybe. But do you know what? The worst one was the cup final. That's what hurt me a lot, the cup final. So I didn't play much in the cup run, to be honest, because by that time, obviously, he signed Lassana Diara. So the midfield was Lassana Diara, Soli Montari and Papa Diop. Pedro was injured for a bit as well. So Pedro was injured for a while. and then we had Fulham the last home game of the season Fulham needed to win to stay up I didn't even start in that game I think I've actually pulled him what's going on I can't even remember the conversation basically thought oh I'm not going to play so I was on the bench for that game come on last five minutes then they scored the goals I didn't get the blame for that but they lost 1-0 and then get to the cup final but yeah so then I've got eight tickets and then get in the changing room name's the team name's the bench I'm not even on the bench

58:57what do I do now? you go up to the Bobby Moore lounge do I do I do I kick off in the training room there? no so what I did is luckily I had Richard Hughes with me who was a good friend I haven't spoke to him in a while actually I should really reach out to him I think it's at Liverpool now isn't he Richard? yeah he's flying lovely guy group player as well and he probably got mugged off a little bit in regards to he was there for the hard years and put in there, always reliable. But then when the big game come along, push the side. So me and him, I think, walked in the shower and I always respect Joe Jordan.

59:31Remember Joe Jordan? Came in and he looked at me and he went, I know, I know. And that's all I needed. That's all I needed. But then obviously after that, I went to the young lads. I went, wait, come with me. Went straight to the bar. I reckon we had three bottles of white wine before kickoff. And even then I thought, all I had in my head is, I know we're going to win this final. I don't want to be that guy. So we had a bet on it as well, even though you're not allowed to bet, I had a bet on it. So sitting on the bench, I remember steamboats on the bench, cheering on the lads thinking I just want them to win.

1:00:11And then obviously they won and then I was on the pitch celebrating. I think I'd done the Caterpillar on the Wembley pitch, just a bit of Caterpillar. But yeah, that was a tough one to take. And then we went back to the hotel. Did he say nothing to you? Nothing. Went back to the hotel. So I did get a medal. So I did walk up the steps, but I just felt it was muggy. Like, oh, what am I walking up the steps for? I didn't play. It's like, you don't play in a cup final. You're not really, like, I haven't won the FA Cup. I was at Portsmouth for the FA Cup. I personally haven't won the FA Cup. So then went back to the hotel, went on the night out with the lads.

1:00:46And then the next day was the bus. I just didn't turn up. Do I regret that? Yeah, probably now. I should have maybe gone and done it. But I just, I thought, you know what? I just can't be arsed. I just didn't want to celebrate something and be fake. So I thought, fuck it, I just stayed home. I do regret that now, but it's unfortunate. You mentioned when the Red Mist kicks in. And it's up to you whether you tell this one, but Andy Griffin told us, ask about the Dane Kiley episode. Oh, Dino. Do you know what? I can happily say this story. Obviously, I haven't seen Dino for a while, but obviously it was a tough one.

1:01:22So we were at Portsmouth, good bunch of lads again. We were out. I don't know why we was in Southampton. We went to Southampton to play pool, I think. We were playing pool, but we were playing killer. But on five of the pockets, there was a shot.

1:01:42So Dino got drunk very quick. And you know when you're in a group of lads and someone gets drunk very quick, they're getting battered, aren't they? The banter's flying. All aimed at them. All aimed at them. and he was, we were tucking, then eventually get, let's see how drunk we can get him. We were tucking him behind balls and he couldn't, he was doing shots and, but he was flying. He was like giving it, oh wee, like wee, wee. And we were like, yeah, like brilliant. But then the stupid thing is we need to get back to Portsmouth. Griff was driver, yeah? I can't drive, I've had to drink. I went Griff, you've only had a couple of drinks.

1:02:18I'm eight, nine deep here. Fuck it, I'll drive. Not proud of it. not condoning it at all, it's muggy. But, so I'm driving the car now, Griff's sitting next to me on the left, Dino's in the back. I'm not sure if someone else was there, I can't remember. All I remember is just like, still taking the piss out of him, driving down in the M27, all of a sudden, bang, straight in my jaw. Man, brakes on, parked up, oh, Red Miss come. Middle of the road, literally got out the car tried to get him out the car could not get him out the car child lock like he's there like that and i'm like literally getting up going oh you know i'm trying to drag him out the car i'm doing everything all of a sudden all of a sudden the old bill turn up we're standing inside the pavement like that handcuffs no not handcuffs but then basically they were saying how did you get the car here i was like i don't know and then griff griff for some reason griff's a great lad by the way griff went oh can you just give us tests like so he'd done a blow test and he was fine so then he drove us back but to be i think dino went off one direction and then griff gave me a lift back but then to be fair to dino he phoned me the next morning held his hands up apologized i was like yeah cool whatever it was fine we were fine after that but yeah just just the timing that's got me just getting on the motorway the thing is i kind of weathered it well though asked the ask griff he's clocked me left-handed goalkeeper as well so he's used to punching the ball because he never used to fucking come out and catch it he's lumped me so hard and i was i was so fuming i didn't even feel it i don't even think i had a black eye not sure i don't can't remember but yeah it was yeah that was crazy your mentality going into the next season after the FA Cup?

1:04:16Are you wanting to prove people wrong? Are you... So we... Are you... I had all intentions. So we went to South Africa in pre-season. It was a great trip, to be fair. We literally, as soon as we got to the hotel, it was like... One of the lads snuck out and text the group, I'm in Mitchell's. Like, what the fuck's Mitchell's? it was literally a booze off 100 yards down the road so then you got people like me peter crouch glenn johnson heiden hyman heredity herman heriderson great lads like all the lads literally and they're drinking drinking then i get a phone call actually saying oh range at celtic room for you celtic i was like agent was banging on it's celtic celtic and i was I was like, my daughter was still 2-3.

1:05:10And I was like, four games a season. Back then it was four games a season, right? But you've got to think the standard and quality of the Premier League at the time. Ronaldo, Rooney, Tevez, that great Man United side. Just great. It was great playing Premier League. And I wouldn't play him week in, week out, but I still felt that I could play in the Premier League. So I kind of went, now I'm not going. But then he ended up selling Pedro to Glasgow Rangers, which obviously must have pissed him off because he obviously wanted to get rid of me. He was like, he proper went in on me. He was like, I remember I was sitting in the, I used to sit a lot with the analysts, you know, the guys who do all the computer stuff and the reviews and all.

1:05:50I used to sit in that room. We used to call them the nerdoids, go in the room, nerdoids. Like, what are you doing today? And that, and they were like cutting, but they were the ones who used to do all the videos, you know, when you watch the opposition. So they were clued up about, they knew football. Was one of them the lad that's at Liverpool? Michael, Eddie. I used to call, I used to go, So imagine that Michael Edwards, he runs everything. I used to go in and go, Eddie, nerdoid. You nerd. But he's banned. I was brilliant. But so I'm in that room, but it was, I was moaning. You know, when trainings, you're playing on one side, wins eight nil in training and they're not saying nothing on the touchline because the other team had tossed it off.

1:06:27And he's like, you just moan in the standard. It's not good for me. And I would moan in training, like this is shit. like coming afterwards and he comes in and he goes you're always fucking moaning i've got you fucking what i've chased after him got into his office and he goes oh you fucking said oh you could have gone to selic i went you could have gone to fucking newcastle that shut him up then he gets up then he gets up out of his desk like that and he's got these just in his pants like these blue and white box not boxes but they were baggies like here comes andy pandy you know I didn't say that, but then we're like going at it and he goes, oh, you can just go and stay in the reserves.

1:07:07And I went, buzzing, great lads. Like anything he said to me, I had to come back. So I knew, because you know, if someone's looking in the room and they see that's our first conversation, they're going to think I'm a cunt. They're going to think I'm an egg, but they don't know what's leading up to this, what's going on behind. So we have this big row. I'm never playing for the club again. He's pissed off. He's had to sell Pedro to Rangers. we play Man United on a Tuesday and I'm in the starting 11. How did this even happen? And then let's see, it just confused me even more. And then I wouldn't play.

1:07:42And I kind of, he just used me when he needed me. And that's what most managers do anyway. Did anything change when he went? Are you glad to see him go? Yeah, when he went, Tony Adams was already there. Tony, I got on with Tony, but he was a difficult one.

1:08:00with Tony. He was like, a lot of the players who played with him said he wasn't the same person, a player as he was a manager. I really got on well with Tony. I think I was going to sign for Bolton in January and he rang me and went, no, I need you. We're in a relegation fight. I need you. I stayed. But I think he ended up going, Paul Hart took over and I really got on well with Paul Hart. He was straight down the line. He went, see you, you're playing. We're going to play. Ian Woney Woney would come up to me he was a great coach I think he was just starting out he was like we need you we need you and when I hear things like that you've got me do you know what I mean it's not rocket science so I loved playing for them the last what was it the last I had like I was out of contract as well so the last three months we were struggling but I was playing but I was doing well I was playing really well and I think that's what helped me obviously getting a move to Bolton on the free transfer but I still was I still go back to, I still wasn't the same when knee was hanging off.

1:08:58And was it the knee at Bolton? Was it the same problem? Same knee. I've only ever had one problem. I wasn't quick enough to pull a muscle. So my knee was literally the only thing that was ever. I broke a toe once, that was it. I mean, right knee, I just couldn't, I couldn't get back to what I knew I could be. I couldn't train. I had the same kind of injury as Ledley King, but Ledley, he would not train the whole week, he'd just be in the gym and he'd come out on a Saturday and be the best player. it was unbelievable to see but I just couldn't do that I just couldn't get fit enough I was trying everything but it just was so demoralising Was it that run of games at the back end of the season at Portsmouth I'm just thinking of the medical did Bolton flag it up and go we know you've got a bad knee but you've played that you've played the end of the season Yeah they basically said well you played I actually think I played 25 plus games that season because obviously Harry left and went to Spurs and got some games under my belt But yeah, I didn't think I'd passed the middle of a bolt.

1:09:58And when I passed the middle of a bolt and I was fine, I didn't feel my knee. And then Gary Megson signed me and got on really well with Gary Megson. A lot of people, he was straight down the line with me. There was no gray area. So it was perfect. But we'd done a pre-season, like an old school pre-season or running up in the hills. And, you know, the terrain's not flat. Like my knee went in pre-season and it never, you know, like the physio was looking at my knee thinking, oh my God, how have you passed the medical? I went, I don't know, it's gone up now. My knee was literally the size of Martin Yeo's head.

1:10:31The size of Martin Yeo's napper. Big napper of his. Big Haribo head. He used to come out with some crazy things as Martin Yeo. We was at, when we was at Spurs, Oh, please do the accent. When we was at Spurs, there was a young kid called Yatesy. I got on really well with him, Irish lad. Mark. Mark Yates. Yeah, I played with him. talented unbelievable and he used to go Paul Yates he used to go hey Yates see the fucking birds are flapping in your head and we'd be like what he goes the birds don't fucking flapping in your head you could be the next fucking Paul Gaskarin and that's all he used to say and he used to think what is he talking about the fucking bird is flapping in your head Sean he used to say the bird is flapping what is that I'm boxing the Lord oh mate he used to come out of some strange things to be fair he was right with Yates because Yates he was unbelievably talented.

1:11:25But then he didn't get the opportunity. Do you know what I mean? Yeah. He didn't get the opportunity where we didn't trust him, didn't throw him in enough. But yeah, it was a shame. I've seen a lot of young players at Tottenham at the time struggled. Was it like being around Edgar Davids? I got on well with Edgar. Yeah. Yeah, I got on well with Edgar. I didn't really train or play with him because I was injured at Spurs. I remember being in the, at Spurs, you could barely see out onto the training pitch. He definitely could. And I remember, the only thing I remember from that time is when he had a fight with Robbie Keane in training.

1:12:00And then I said to Robbie, and he came after the fight and he kind of stormed off. I was like, what's going on there? And then I saw Robbie and I'm like, a few of the lads were saying, yeah, Robbie just got your lid down and started swinging. And his glasses come off and there was everything all that. You got your man in glasses. Yeah, but like, what a player, man. What a player. How can you go to a manager and say, why am I playing when you've got Edgar Davids, Jermaine Jennings and Michael Carrick in front of you? Yeah. I'm not an idiot. Do you know what I mean? And I got on well with all of them.

1:12:26I've never, I probably got on better with the people in my position just to prove that it is what it is. Yeah. It was a black belt in karate or something, wasn't it? Well, he didn't show it that day. Once his glasses and glitter, he's a fucking shot. Jesus Christ. But three, what, three games in three years at Bolton, it must have been tough. Yeah. The worst, it's like, again, like, remember I got there you know pre-season it just it went in pre-season it was so big and I was trying to play and I got through pre-season started the game off well started the season quite well actually and then I think I got sent off against Liverpool at home Wiley the referee short I hated him like one was innocuous gave me a yellow card and then one remember Lucas Slavia for Liverpool like he was lucky to wear a Liverpool shirt when he he's cut across me the Brazilian guy yeah he's cut across me and he's kind of fallen over and he's given me a second year up sent off we were 2-1 up at the time we ended up losing 3-2 I think Steven Gerrard's got Torres he's got an unbelievable goal ended up winning but that was literally the last Premier League game I played I sent off in horrible taste in the mouth and I tried to go to Bristol City on loan but I was turning like a 137 bus mate I couldn't move it was like if you can't move there's only so much you can do and what age were you here when you signed for Bolton?

1:14:0029 29 yeah I remember this is a weird one as well it was strange it was sitting in the canteen with Zach Knight and Nigel Ryokoka after I played first game for the under 21s in however many years it was awful we paid it to Wigan And I couldn't get any close to anyone. I couldn't shut anyone down. I kept giving the ball away. And then sitting there, the money man busy having a chat with him, Garthside comes up. You were fucking shit yesterday. Oh, the Red Mist came, didn't it? And then I've gone like that. I've gone. So he's the owner of Bolton? Yeah, you know, the chairman. Basically turned around and went, you were fucking shit.

1:14:39Yeah. And in my head, I was like, and then I went, yeah, you're right, I was. And then he left. and then Zach and I, because I've known Zach for years, like when Zach joined Fulham, he stayed in my place rent-free. Rent-free, Zach. Where are you? Rent-free. Could do with that money now. So I know Zach well and he was like, I don't know. I don't know. How have you handled it like that? I went, mate, I just don't care anymore. And was there no, you mentioned Coyle, I'm assuming there was no help from him or whatever. Nah. Like we're playing Man United away and on a Friday, he's got the lads playing tunnel ball and kicking it over the crossbar and run back and there was no set piece.

1:15:22And I think he was more interested in joining in and training. And I think that year we had a lot of senior players that maybe he dropped at the wrong time and brought in a few players that didn't like. There were certain people that you had, when you're going to war, you need them in a relegation battle. People like, remember the left-back Robbo, Paul Robinson? Yeah. Kevin Davis, Yusuke Yaskalainen, the goalkeeper. At all stages, they got dropped, whether I performed or not. But I felt that the dressing room was gone by them. But I had no influence on the dressing room. I didn't see the lads.

1:15:53But yeah, I didn't really get... I had to go... I had to go... I had to go to Raul Owen Coyle once. He used to sometimes when I was training to try and get back fit. We'd train, play the game. And then when he'd do the 11 v 11, he'd go to me and Blakey, Robbie Blake. funny what a funny man he is he'd go to us you can go in there and be like all right but in my head i'm thinking oh my so embarrassing like it's horrible isn't it all right i never forget my first training session back like playing with the lads one of the lads i mean gal kakuta come up to me he was on loan from church he went oh my god you can play her i went yeah you used to mate but it was just so tough tough it was baltimore was hard it was horrible It was like the nail in the coffin for me.

1:16:41And I felt guilty because I'm picking up a wage. It was my biggest wage as well. A lot of people say, when I was going to move from Fulham to Tottenham, I went for actually less money or similar money. It was the biggest contract I ever had. And I still feel to this day like I didn't even do anything. Do you know what I mean? That's not really your fault, is it? It's not, but I think that's just the way it was brought up, really. just felt like an absolute twat. Yeah. Feel like you're owning it. Yeah. So it's tough. And then obviously that, looking back now, that was probably, I'd say that's a bad time, but then everything just fell to pieces, obviously with the V11 stuff and the financial stuff after that, it was like, everything came tumbling down all at one stage.

1:17:29I didn't have to cope. What did you do when you finished? So I was, I was like, no, really. Well, the plan was to play golf with my old man. Yeah. To be fair. Moved back to Surrey or Surrey, London, whatever you call it. Played golf with my old man and then just reassessed and just chill, just see, because it was a difficult three years up north because basically I was with just the fact this can go out because you're not involved. So he's basically stuck in the house for three years. So it was difficult. Come back and then obviously came back and then little things were happening. I was getting these brown letters through the door.

1:18:08I don't know penalty notices or something what's this I give it to my financial advisor I don't like what do I have to pay this some I paid some I didn't then my old man died no actually I was playing golf by myself I'll never forget I was playing golf I got to like the 16th hole and my sister rang me went dad's just been to the hospital he's been given a year to live I was like oh fucking here we go so I sat on the bench I can remember exactly the day I sat on the bench thinking fuck alright I said what did dad say and he just said what did dad say he said he because he used to wear a flat cup he said he put his hat on his head he got up he shook the doctors and he went that's what you get for smoking roll-ups for 50 years and walked out the room he put a smile on my face to be fair but they gave him a year and I think he lasted like well over like I'm talking he's he was nothing but his heart was still beating so I had that to deal with then obviously finding out that I remember when I found out I had like you know when you're player and you get financial advisors you get like this booklet of where your money is and and i'm like i've never really been interested in money i was all my dad said to me just make sure someone looks after your money you got house paid off for when you finish playing and you're right so that was all i was you thought the money i focus but then into the career you kind of okay what's this what's this what's this so then i took my portfolio to carly barnes craig short's wife and the guy called ben reese i remember driving to oxford and so this is my portfolio sorry i got your shit no this is my portfolio i've gone and as i put the portfolio down they must have known the color and the king's bridge name on it and they've gone i could see them both go white as a ghost uh actually let me give you some context so the reason i met them because I was walking around Bluewater Shopping Centre, the financial advisor was telling me to take my money out of my pension to pay this 300, 400K tax bill that apparently I owe.

1:20:08Basically, everything on that portfolio was, no, you ain't got that. You haven't got this. This is this. And it was like, I think that's the first time I drove home and thought, oh my God, what if I just fucking flip this car? But obviously, I haven't watched the documentary, but a lot of people have watched the documentary and they've said, oh, I was really worried about you. Can you just start from the top in layman's terms for people who've not seen the documentary, what actually happened? Oh, so basically we were involved with Kingsbridge Managing and I got put to Kingsbridge through my agent.

1:20:46A financial? Financial advisors. So then Kingsbridge then invests your money and everything they do, they just look after your money, blah, blah, blah. so they the kingsbridge management have got all these footballers and they've gone how can we get a big pot of money so they've got a big pot of money by putting to us into these film schemes but then the money we got out of the film schemes which is they say you profit it on that's where they went money's in that fraud fraud fraud fraud i thought i had a place in charlotte harbour i'm literally still paying 1800 pound a month on a hundred grand loan that he took out to pay it and I haven't got the keys

1:21:30I worked that out and then the letters coming through the door like they were called APNs penalty notices so they they're charging you on the interest like the people would turn up at my door like hey Jim I'll say I said speak to my father I don't understand like I actually felt like I was a crook I felt so I felt it was my fault everything at first and then I think at the same time remember what's the comedian Cart what's his name Jimmy Cart Jimmy Carr, Alan Carr, all the same, weren't they? He got done, didn't he? He got listed for tax avoidance and all that. But the thing is, the government make it non-avoidance and then they make it, then they say you're doing this and then you don't know whether you're coming or going.

1:22:08So the government made a scheme and you bought into the scheme and then the government changed the goalpost with the scheme. Yeah, years later. And then you owe tax on the money you're supposed to have made or the profit, but all the profit, like I say, say they've got a big bunch of money here, they've then taken the money from the film schemes and invested it into fucking absolute garbage where we haven't made no money and lost money. But the thing is, when you say you've invested in it, you haven't. You've gone to a financial advisor who have invested in it. It's not like you've gone, yeah, I'll invest in that, I'll invest in that.

1:22:43You've put your trust in somebody from the advice of your agent. Yeah, you're spot on. The names they put down there, I'm not going to say the names because this person's doing it, this person's doing it this person's doing it, this person's doing it I'm thinking, I'm silly old me Sean Davis, I don't know anyone never had money, families never had money in their lives, you know what I mean but we've always been happy and then you start thinking is it my fault and then you start getting angry and then you start so then, so this is happening my dad's dead, died and then I split up with my ex so i've got so basically it's just yeah and i didn't know how to deal with it at the time that's why i think that the strangest thing is that's when i stopped drinking probably because i thought i could go i could be selling i could be selling the big issue outside club and common tube station you know what i mean the good thing that's happened with the v11 now we have a letter from the police saying we see you're a victim of fraud that was like Like, thank God.

1:23:49Do you know what I mean? We're not just, because a lot of us were scared, not scared, but anxious to do the documentary because, listen, I know what non-footballing people think about footballers. Yeah. Right? Rich. Flashy. Flashy. Because when I was painting, decorating and roofing for a couple of years before I'd done my shoulder, so I was in the cast. I was in it. So I knew, and it was like, this ain't going to go down well. but then the thing that changed it was like we went on a march and it was march with everyone that's been affected men especially that have been affected by hmrc and you hear the stories you know this is bigger than us now we have to do this because we've got a bigger voice than most people not so much me but some of the people in the group are like danny murphy rod wallace brian dean i've seen the documentary it's like legendary legendary footballers i've spoke to a few lads who were involved in it and exactly the same as you.

1:24:46They couldn't really explain what it actually was. I don't know. But you've done the right thing and invested with somebody that you think is going to have your best interests. Explaining it, it's quite embarrassing. People think, oh, you shouldn't be embarrassed. But when you're as a man, you've been schemed, obviously. You've been tricked. But then you have been groomed. And I know when you use the word grooming, people just immediately think sexual grooming. But no, grooming, they knew who to target. You know what I mean? They knew if they got certain players, other players would follow. And what about now?

1:25:21Is there more good days than bad, like where you're at? Yeah, yeah. No, listen, good days, a good day for me is not pretending. You know what I mean? It sounds weird. It's like I just don't have to think about, like today I'm looking forward to coming and doing this, Whereas two years ago, I might have rang up an hour before and said, I made up an excuse and not come. And then I would have felt like an id, like a cunt for letting you down. And then the whole cycle spins back again. So for me, like I say, as a discipline is what got me to be a footballer. And I think it's what's got me to see the other side of it.

1:25:59And a bit of faith, to be honest, because when you're by yourself, you kind of my faith my head my faith has it wavered during that period because i was like why why is this all happening to me why is my dad dying but then you realize you've got to go through tough times everyone has to to get to the other side what you got to think is this probably still is going on today there's always scandals going on and i've seen it when i when i when i started working in the agency world i didn't realize how rife that was how many i'd go to a youth game especially chelsea chelsea academy and go and watch their 16s and 18s about cowboys on the side like literally it was scary and these parents like i don't blame them some of these single mum parents getting offered all this money which you're not allowed to do getting off all his money and going with these agents and then end up getting themselves in sticky situations it's it's it's not right mate that industry needs to be better 100 because it's just can you imagine it even worse now i think it's only going to be getting even worse because the money talks to me uh when we when i'm trying to think when i was playing in my late 90s what would have been the top wage then eight nine ten grand a week and you think i can't get bigger than that it just keeps getting bigger and bigger like good luck to the people with their money it's just be careful be careful because there's so many people out there that just want to make a pound note off and he's tough.

1:27:23Chris, go back to your list of characters. I'm thinking Norm. You know what earlier you were? Oh, I was going to ask about, yeah, Norm. Norm. In a motto, because he was the David Beckham of Japan. Yeah, he was like, he used to have fans waiting outside the training ground all the time, fans waiting outside. You didn't realise how passionate they are outside, like China, Japan. He used to get stacks of Mao. He used to side them all. Great lad. Very quiet. What a striker of the ball. I remember he scored a hat-trick, I think, in the Intertoto Cup when we won it for Fulham. I think he scored a hat-trick in the final.

1:28:06Good player. Very good player, but very quiet. Mark Crosley. Oh, Norm. What can I say about Norm? He's the only guy, teammate actually. I've been on a night. I was out with him once during the day in Epsom. And I said to my dad, I went, dad, you got to come and meet this guy. His story's on Brian Clough. I just, you could sit and listen to him all day. But he was, he was a softie, really. He was a softie. He's a big softie, but he was so, we got on so well. We used to have so many laughs. He used to, like, his party trick was just stupid. I don't know why. He would go into like, we'd be like rife faces on a Sunday night.

1:28:48And he'd literally pull his trousers down to his ankles. He's still got his boxer shorts on. And he'd go, let's time it. And I'd be like, what? He's timing to see how long it took the bouncer to come over to tell him to put his trousers up. He's doing daft things like that. It was a Premier League footballer. It was a Premier League footballer. And then he'd like pretend to fall over in like the dinner area and his plates are all going on. It just caused a commotion. But yet again, I just think it was, he just wanted to be like, make everyone laugh all the time. I mean, just wanted people to be happy and smiling.

1:29:19Obviously, sometimes you take it too far or some people would see it as a bit too much. But I loved him, man. Him, I got on with him really well. David James is another one I got on with really well. Yeah? Yeah, we used to sit in the hotel room and just play cards. You know, he'd have like eight coffees a day. He was the one who got me into coffees, snooze as well, playing cards. The Portsmouth, we had a good card score, but J-Mo was very instrumental in that. but he was so funny his humor got it was so dry and he just so dry but he'd batter everyone he'd like like little things even though when he'd order he'd always order a latte for instance and the woman would come over and she'd go latte he'd go yate and then and i'll be like and then i'll end up doing it when i'm with my mates going i can have a latte and the woman go latte i go yate he's just taking the piss out of everyone all the time it's brilliant brilliant but we used to have a good card school at one point we actually played deal or no deal on the back of the bus for portsmouth we drew the boxes up and we put in all the prizes i think it was like got up to like a grand or five two grand or something like that but that was probably other than fulham portsmouth was probably my other club that i just some of the characters i could go through like glenn johnson great lad unbelievable player as well very underrated peter crouch the most humble guy you'll ever meet.

1:30:43You mentioned this fella before, and I don't know if you were in the El Dublina. Big Herman. Yeah, he's fucking in the ground. He's nearly fucking in the peck off. You might have even been there, was he? Peck. Just steaming, but bouncing from wall to wall. He's all over the shop, pissed. He was the strongest man ever. You know sometimes when you're sitting down there and someone comes along and pinch you there, he'd be like, fucking El Herman. But great lad. like, oh. On a night out, he was a bit, yeah, he could get you in a bit. He thought he'd come here and have that little white dress on. Yeah.

1:31:18Well, then he just grabbed my fucking peck and I thought he was going to rip it off. Oh, he done, he actually sang before the cup final, he actually dressed up as Elvis and started doing a few Elvis numbers. So what's going on here? Catsuit? Yeah, he had everything on him. He was doing the whole lot. He was a good, yeah, he was a great lad, strong as anything, down to earth he used to make his kids like run on a treadmill and just put the speed on ridiculous like another girl put the speed on ridiculous like he'd be I think one story he had he was away of Iceland and he was doing the warm up and all of a sudden he just ran out of the warm up out of the pack and kind of rugby tackled the coach and done his dislocated the coach's shoulder like he was just he'd just done random things and you'd think what good lad you know one of those ones like oh good lad that's that's the best feeling i think when you get when you when you get to from the lads when the lads come over if you do something the lads go oh that's a bit harsh but fucking i think the best one for me i've never i've never really spoke about this i think when we was at the tottenham christmas party i don't know where we were but we was having a sing song some reason i started the kumbaya song the kumbaya and then i didn't really get on well with Michael Brown too much, but it wasn't really an issue then.

1:32:39There was a couple of things that he'd done that annoyed me, but I never mentioned because it's not worth mentioning. But then I started singing, Brownies average, my lord, kumbaya. Brownies average, my lord, kumbaya. And by the time you get the whole team joined in, even a young lad, he was fuming, he was chewing. And then Michael Cap, the first one, he went, that's fucking harsh. Fucking brilliant. Everyone was doing it. And no wonder, remember when we, my first game back, I played for Portsmouth against Fulham and he'd signed for Fulham and he got sent off because he tried to break my leg. Do you remember that tackle?

1:33:21He tried to break my leg, literally tried to snap me, got sent off. And then I'd done an interview after and I went, oh, it's Michael Brown, he's only average. But people think it was just calling him average. No, it was because going back to the side. But I think after that Christmas party, we actually played in a resi game at Stevenage together and we didn't say one word to each other. That was brilliant. That was brilliant. What was the, somebody asked about, did you say something about Bramble on Soccer AM? Titus Bramble. Yeah. He was a good lad as well. I don't know what the story, someone just put.

1:33:58Oh, Titus is one of those ones. I first met Titus, I think it was Iron Appa, and he'd have like, there's two Bud in one end and then two Budweiser in the other one. And just a banter, you go, Titus you want a drink he went yeah yeah get us a bar you alright mate no he was a he was a good lad Titus good footballer I didn't play did I play 21s with him not sure but we had a good group the 21s Luke Young I got on really well with Zat Knight I think Jenis and Pennant were coming through Defoe Chris Riggett Malcolm Christie David Pratton Gareth Barry there was Lurk Scott Parker and we had a good good group we should have done better than what we did actually but it's a shame David Platt was the manager I got on quite well with Platt as well he was good and what did you talk about when you went away with the oh don't so I'd done remember Egiboff oh yeah I was the Egiboff king right so the worst one I think was this one so we pulled up outside I think we were playing at Basel's Ground in Switzerland that's where it was the championship was I think I watched the podcast with Peter Crouch and Jermaine Defoe talking about they couldn't remember who called it on it was fucking me so we're on the back of the bus we pull up, the coaches and that get off first and soon as someone's about to get off I went, egg boff, no one can get off the coach we sat there for a good 25 minutes coach, coach, not, Clatty didn't come back but one other coach come back yeah, yeah come back again no one was moving no one was getting I think that's the only time I've ever rescinded it because normally normally someone just goes now like one of the one of the proper professional players would go now fuck this I'm getting off but that time people were holding out I think eventually Platty knew what was going on David Platty knew what was going on but it was a laugh now it didn't offend or upset anyone but that was that was a long one the worst one I feel guilty for was when we were doing the warm up once at Portsmouth and we had a fitness coach called John Luzell and I got him really well we had a fiery relationship but I knew that he was a really good fitness coach one-on-one he'd take me because of my knee he'd help me out a lot and we're just about to do the warm-up and I went I go off no one warm-up so we're literally standing there and he's shouting come on do this and then obviously I felt bad because then the coaches were looking over and then I think they had a go at him in the time and yeah that was it was awkward i love i love the awkwardness of eggy boff i love quite the opposite i love putting people in a position where they have to go there was a few like i think it was i think it was the foe or them i could no just take it back take it back and i was just sitting there like i didn't know you could do that i didn't know you could take it back no you can take it back you can take it back was there a forfeit do you ever No, at the end of the day, it was just, yeah, it was more just ego pride.

1:36:59But even if you broke it, you're boring. That would be it. Nothing would happen. There was no fights. There was no, it's just a simple game that can, if you do it at the wrong place, can, yeah, it can go tits off. I remember that, I don't know if it was before David James, I was telling a story about the card school. And there was a player that, did you play a game, a card game and hide from somebody, one of the teammates? Yeah. What's his name? Little. Glenn Little. I got on well with Glenn Little, but I can say this now, J-Mo couldn't stand him. One day he was like, let's hide from him. So we get off the, we're playing on the coach and he's playing and we get off the coach and we literally go to his physio and we're hiding around the corner playing cards and we can hear him, hear his voice and we're just sitting there playing cards, pissing off.

1:37:48So it's bad really, but I felt bad for him to be fair. But J-Mo just didn't get on with him. jaymo was probably i'd say jaymo was the ringleader of the card school he'd always have the cards oh come on like we'd literally play our hand uh oh we've got to get off the bus jaymo no let's play no hands but i love card schools i've always grown up on hearts and yeah i love dominoes like i just love i love little games like that you're just four of us playing and you used to just take the time you remember back in the day when everything wasn't flying i remember being on 17 year old i didn't get to play cards, but Fulham to Carlisle.

1:38:22Every time I went to sit down, coffee, tea, coffee, tea. So long trips. So then winning eventually and then you're playing, you can play cards and take away three or four hours. It's brilliant. Just try not to lose thousands of pounds. Did Glenn find you? He eventually found us. Yeah, he eventually found us. But then everyone was, I think the more you tried to beat him, the more money he won, to be fair. He was good. He was good. He used to have little nicknames for everyone. He was quite funny, to be fair. He was quite a good player as well. He just picked up. I think he had a hamstring injury that kept him out and didn't do too well.

1:38:56But he was a good player. We were great. We'll walk back on though, mate. Oh, yeah. There's been a bad taste in the mouth, obviously, with the way you end your injuries and HMRC and the dad passing and stuff like that. But you've got to be thankful. Tomorrow's not promised. And I think that's what's kept me, in regards to my faith it's like you know what i'm going for there must be a reason why i've gone through all this there must be a because i still don't know what my purpose is today like uh the reason why i brought my nephew with me today is because i'm trying to help him not make the mistakes i made but not in football he's he plays football but he's more in like the tech world so he's just designed a designed an app a golf app swing max is called we get the logo down below down below swing max but i i'm i'm trying to push that for him because i've seen how hard he works he doesn't go out he doesn't drink like his friends are all out drinking he stays in he's a good lad even though he doesn't do the washing when his mom tells him to do but maybe that's my purpose maybe it's my purpose to help him and guide him through hopefully this app takes off you know once people see what that is about it's about helping people play golf you I mean, listen, how much does it cost for a, I can tell you some lessons are like 150, 200 quid for a golf lesson.

1:40:17So this app will hopefully help those people who don't have that money and help them. So for me, is that my purpose or is my purpose? I've always felt that I should be involved in a youth center because the guy who helped us out, Sugar Ray, who's no longer with us. He was big for everyone in Battersea. He was that guy who knew everyone. right he was loud he was but he all he wanted was the kids he was the first one to say kids need to cuddle like cuddle the kids how you're doing he was he was always there so maybe my purpose is in being a bringing back youth clubs and helping young men not so much women young women but more so young men because i can really relate to people that are going through stuff so maybe that is the purpose I don't know I'm waiting I still don't know obviously I've got a golf brand which started off Cosmic Golf but ran out of money so that's on the back burner I'd still love to bring that to fruition hopefully end of the year this year but if I'm honest mate I'm just taking each day as it comes as long as I get myself to the gym I can play golf now after my shoulder injury I'm a happy bunny I don't care about anything else thank you very much Swing Max did you say?

1:41:33Swing Max Swing max, yeah. I'll get him to show it to you. If you're any of your golfers, I'll get him to download it free. He won't charge you. He's got his fucking pain on making my swing better. I just don't know. Sometimes you kind of – I judge people on how I treat people. So if you say to me, post this for me or do this for me, yeah, cool. Not thinking how much am I going to get through it. The life nowadays, everyone just wants something. don't they it's frustrating and i do get it because business is business but we need to help these young people like how like how good is that he's 18 years of age he's creating and making apps he's gone to college he's not out like i would probably would have been doing out drinking and partying he wants a better life from himself and his mum so we need to like encourage elevate people rather than push them down yeah i i that's that that's my main goal for him i know he's is for him to be the thickest person in the room.

1:42:35Every room he walks into, I want him to be the thickest person because then you're winning. Yeah. He's not that today, mate, I can tell you. In fact, there's six of us in the room and he's got fucking silver. I think it could be me and you. The silver foxes. Handsome, blue-eyed silver foxes. Fucking long times have been called handsome, I know. Listen, I'll give it to you, lad. Don't worry about that.

1:43:04Thank you.