Was Lando Norris ROBBED at the Madring? The WORST F1 race ever?

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0:49Was it just another element of McLaren dropping the ball? What was blatantly obvious was that overtaking was not really going to be a thing. Many fans are calling for changes to Mad Ring. Call him lucky. I call him a phenomenon. Being like, oh, he's just like a f***. Come on, like, get real.

1:19It's Will. It's David. Welcome to Up To Speed. Yeah. The immediate post-race reaction, DC. Headlines coming out of Madrid. Kimi Antonelli wins again, but even he admitted Lando Norris should have won the race. Lando himself calling potentially for rule changes around virtual safety cars. and many fans are calling for changes to Mad Ring after just one year because apparently it didn't provide the spectacle it should have done. Let's start with Kimi saying he feels bad for Lando. He said it feels good to win, but it doesn't feel as good because I think Lando deserved the win. Lando was brilliant today.

2:07I think Lando was brilliant all weekend. That qualifying lap was sensational. Drove perfectly. It's just sod's law, isn't it? It is. You know, we refer to it as sod's law. We call it sometimes the racing gods. It is just one of those things. At the time in the con box, I was trying to figure out why they didn't pit under virtual, but it's now very clear why they didn't pit because the virtual didn't come out until they'd passed the end of the pit lane entry. So that option was gone. Then they pitted pretty much at the end of the virtual to get those medium tyres off because they felt they were not going to go the distance.

2:43so they had to pet anyway and they were going to have to take a full hit so using the gap they could get into was the best option for them at that time plus they had a bit of a slow stop front right wasn't working for them so yeah I think Lando was exceptional it was beautiful to watch the qualifying I think the Mad Ring was delivering for us up until the race because the drivers were wide eyed through practice they were respectful of the walls you know we had even Lewis go into the tower barrier at one point in free practice but then what was blatantly obvious and was teed up ahead of it was that overtaking because of the nature of the track was not really going to be a thing so we need a good old fashioned hairpin or a tighter chicane to create overtaking I think for the future races.

3:35Those last few laps with Lando catching up to Max and the fact that the top three was split by as small a gap as they were you know it's it's that moment of what might have been for lando such was the pace that he had during the race during the during the whole weekend he looks astonishing but i think there's a lot of things make we can we can unpack here and the first is that decision not to pit because lance is is done right his day is done he's in the barriers brake failure, it's game over. We've been quick to jump on McLaren before. Are we jumping on McLaren here and saying they should have pit him, regardless of the fact that the VSC hadn't been called because it was obvious that the VSC was going to come out, given the placement of Lance's car, given what we knew about the circuit, given what we'd seen from red flags earlier in the weekend and yellow flags and everything else, and what we'd seen during junior formula races and caution periods thrown during those.

4:35Was it just another element of McLaren dropping the ball and not bringing him in when they should have done? I hear you. I hear you. But I actually think, and having spent a bit of time talking to McLaren after the race, because inevitably, as you know, when you're in comms and you don't have the benefit of being able to stop talking and look at replays, the thing with Lance, when he went down that, The car was still running. He'd previously managed to whiz the thing around and rejoin when he'd had an issue at some other point in the weekend. I don't think we all really understood what the access was like for JCBs and the likes to recover cars.

5:18You know, this is the first time we're going there. So, you know, I was on the grid with Zac Brown before the start of the race, and he's going, oh, it's a really short run to the first corner. That was the first time he'd physically stood because the McLaren pit box was way down at the last corner. So suddenly you've got the grid. Everyone's on the grid pretty much for the first time. So let's say there's a few things that we can all be clever after the event, but I think they just got unlucky. One thing I would question, again, is the time it takes between an incident and either a virtual safety or a red flag.

5:54And we did have that discussion over the accident for Charles Leclerc in Monza. I think that can be tidied up but yeah look I think you've explained in America they basically block the pits when there's any sort of question That's the kind of the conversation that moves on from this so you could argue if Lando had come in regardless of whether the VSC had come out or not would people have followed him in as the leader? Probably, possibly doesn't matter as you said mclaren weren't weren't a hundred percent sure it was going to be a vsc or a full safety car or whatever because lando's engine was lance's engine was still running at that point in time that's that's one thing the second thing then is is lando's major gripe which is as he comes in the virtual safety car ends so if the vsc is coming out should it last for one complete lap minimum if it goes into the first more than one lap should it last for two laps minimum or are we happy with it just lasting as long as it needs to last until the car is taken away and the issue is gone and then you get rid of the vsc and again this is like this is moral quandaries um but ultimately these are the things that create the sod's law that take away the the you know the advantage that lando has in the race yeah there's a few things that um we could say could be tidied up i think the whole point of the virtual safety car was that it could be deployed and removed as quickly as possible so it's not like a full whenever you wanted exactly yeah exactly so and everyone signed up to that a full safety car we end up having this kind of crazy thing sometimes where lapped cars can unlap themselves and we spend laps waiting for people to come around at the back and that seems pretty clunky when there's a red flag they line up in the pit lane and invariably the top teams are at the beginning of the pit lane the end of the pit lane is oh funnily enough the other end it's the end and so you have them having to come all the way down with their mechanics to service the car in the pit lane where it must be possible when you've got scrutineers for them to just go back to their pit boxes in in order be brought out of their pit boxes in order to restart the race in order so there's a whole bunch of things that are what they are.

8:17And look, life isn't perfect. And what we all agree on is that Lando was unbelievable in the race. And he was actually... Sublime. Here's the problem. He was too quick. Had he been slower, he would have managed to get in under the virtual safety car. But because he pulled out that four, five second lead, he suddenly was the one that was the victim of it. So yeah, look, unlucky for Lando. So you mentioned what happens stateside with pit lanes and VSCs. And well, we don't have VSCs stateside. You have a full course yellow or you have a local yellow. But if you get a full course yellow, so a safety car comes out, pit lane closes.

8:57So if you're already in, fine, you can take your stop and you can leave. But you can't then come in unless you need emergency service to your car, like you've got a wheel hanging off or something. You can't come in the pit lane until they open the pit lane. which is great because it means, well, it's great if it works for your strategy. But similar, so here's the thing. So because Lando's obviously has come out and he said, you know, the rule as defines VSEs and safety cars and everything in Formula One is that it shouldn't define a race. It's F1. The race should be won by the best performance and a good strategy.

9:33And I get that. But the thing with safety cars, virtual safety cars, whether you close the pits or you don't, when a virtual comes out or doesn't, when a full safety car comes out or doesn't, it's luck of the draw. And you're going to be on one side of the coin or the other. You're either going to land on the side that is like, this has worked out brilliantly for us, or you're going to be on the side of the coin that it's completely screwed your day. And there's no real midpoint. It's one or the other. So whatever you do, because you're always going to have safety cars, You're always going to need a point at which you neutralize a race for a factor of safety.

10:13It doesn't happen every race. It doesn't happen all the time. But if and when it does, someone's going to get screwed and someone is going to come up smelling of roses. And it's just the luck of the draw. You can't. How do you legislate to make a moment that is by its very nature inherently unfair? you can't make that fair it just because because of it lands when it lands like is there a is there a solution to it is it something that needs more discussion or do you think we've actually got a scenario in formula one at the moment that works pretty well when it comes to vscs and full safety cars and how they call them and when they call them i think there's room for improvement and we touched on it right at the top the time it takes between an incident and a decision some of them an absolutely clear cut.

11:01Like Monza, it took a little while before the red flag. When it's absolutely clear, we've had a major accident at Parabolica, that is not, you know, that's not a safety car. Yeah, so that should be as quick as a yellow flag comes out, the red flag should be out. So room for improvement. Room for improvement. Not much room for improvement for Kimi right now. It's another victory. now he is marching on seemingly towards the world championship he said he didn't really deserve the win today that dessert that that win was more deserved for for Lando but regardless it's another victory he marches on but but the naysayers DC and there are always naysayers will say he's lucky this is this is he's been lucky all season he's lucky to be where he is it's another lucky win he's going to be a lucky world champion um i know my opinion on that um i will try and temper the words i'm going to use and i will let you answer it first well you know some people say you make your own luck he has found a sweet spot in his second year of formula one with this particular set of rules and regulations mercedes have given him a great car they're serial winners and he continues to take risks but somehow have the spatial awareness not to lose an end plate not to rip the corner off when he's touched the wall in turn seven the results don't lie we can we can have opinions as to who our favorite drivers are but in a world driven by data he's stopping the stopwatch pretty pretty consistently quicker than than most and he's seeing the checker flag So yeah, call him lucky.

12:53I call him a phenomenon. And unless he gets very unlucky, he is going to be the 2026 Formula One world champion. We live in this odd age, don't we, where fan bases, if you're a fan of another driver other than the one who's doing really well, like Kimmy is at the moment, you look for reasons as to why your driver isn't doing so well and almost look to kind of downtrend and undermine the work or the talent or the ability that the driver who's beating your driver is. actually has and i think it's quite i think it's quite sad because kimmy did what went went on that went on a run of what was it five wins on the bounce earlier this year that wasn't luck that wasn't luck that was skill and that was quality consistent quality you don't turn up at monaco and put the weekend in that he did in monaco um you know without being exceptional i think it's Yeah, I think there's a lot of recency bias in this because you look at Monza and you think the red flag falling when it did, allowing him to change his tyres under the red flag, get out there, change his engine so he had the fresh engine and all those kind of things.

14:15People go lucky. And then the next weekend afterwards, we're in Madrid and Lando doesn't come in for the VSC and loses the advantage that he did. And then you can't overtake. So again, lucky. But like two weekends on the bounce where an element of luck came in. that doesn't account for the eight wins that doesn't account for the season that he's having it doesn't account for the fact that he is demolishing this world championship and drivers with way more experience than him to the tune of 81 points like that's not luck and to try and kind of pass that off and underplay it and undermine it as being like oh he's just like bollocks come on like get real yeah it's it's i concur it's just a nonsense i concur you know there's being you know being a super fan and there's also being a super fan with realism long may he that being Kimi being the he keep his feet on the ground because I like the fact and I didn't see that but I like the fact that he acknowledges that Lando deserved to win today based on the qualifying and the start of the race and the pace he was showing but a checker flag defines the winner and he takes it he takes it so well done him And well done Lando for sticking his ground when somebody I didn't, I've only seen the sort of text comments about someone trying to tell him not to drink a particular type of drink in a particular room.

15:40And he's like, hey, buddy, I've just done a Grand Prix. I am doing what I want to do. Well done him. Yeah. Because you know what? I agree. I agree. He's earned the right to eat the chocolate bar or drink the fizzy drink, whatever it is. You piss off and stop trying to control everything. Yeah, totally. Who gives a damn? I like that. Who was getting angry with him? Was it his team? Does he have a personal monster sponsorship or something? Or is it like a PepsiCo thing and he's not allowed to drink Coke? Whatever it is. These guys have just done a hard Grand Prix, if that's what he fancies. Were you a flat can of coke guy out of the car?

16:22I remember seeing Fernando get out of the car after the Singapore Grand Prix one year and was so dehydrated, it was like flat can of coke was the thing for pretty much everybody. I can relate to that when you've been unwell, but no, I was a cup of tea with lots of sugars and some chocolate, you know, because I would get hungry during Grand Prix because I was limited on my weight and I wasn't taking a drink system. I wanted sweetness. And being British, of course, a nice cup of tea with some sugar and milk was spot on. Love that. Given my misunderstanding over your comments on the last podcast about your eating habits as a driver, I have now bought your book, which will be my holiday read.

17:08I have to say, I don't recognise the man on the front cover. He looks like you, but a very kind of mid-2000s version of you with a little bit of stubble and the hair. I'm very excited to read it, mate. I can't wait. And I was painfully embarrassed in the last episode to have kind of, by association, realised I've not read your book. If you suffer from insomnia, you've just bought the cure. I'm straight off to sleep. Right. Right. Of course, Max referring to the racing today as Mickey Mouse racing. I'm guessing that DC is to do with the fact he had to give those positions up and lose any real chance of fighting for the win.

17:53Could Max have won had he not had to give back the place to Lewis? You know, I looked at the slow-mo. And if you look at the slow-mo through the chicane, in the middle of the chicane, so you've got the first corner, which is a left, and you've got the second corner, which is a right. at the first corner Lewis was ahead and therefore he had the right to that corner when the point at which you're in the middle of the chicane Max was ahead and he claims of course that Lewis' trajectory meant he had to take avoiding action which pushed him off he had to get off yeah now whether that would have been the case or not we'll never know but what we do know is it's not perfect the whole thing's not perfect again not ideal because it never works out exactly the same kind of you know it's not just about giving the position back in his case he had to you know lose lose a position to Kimi before being able to lose the position back to Lewis and then Lewis ended up retiring his car I wonder what the stewards would have done had Lewis retired the car earlier would they've just have added a time penalty you know who knows who knows there's a few variables you know Lewis stopped the car on track in free practice and there was no penalty for that.

19:09I think Red Bull with the Chico Perras in Canada was given a three-price grid penalty and were fined£25 ,000. I guess the mitigating circumstances is that he was also dropping bits of bodywork onto the track, which they had to clear up, which clearly Lewis didn't. He had a puncture and he had a front wing. Is it just me or did Lewis have a very un-Lewis Hamilton weekend? He seemed to get up everyone's nose. at at least one point of the weekend. Yeah, there was some times in practice he was blocking people. I think we were aware that this was going to be an issue and when you've got long, fast, sweeping corners with concrete walls, visibility is difficult.

19:49We know that the communication between engineers and drivers has been a little bit inconsistent and not maybe up to the scratch that you'd expect from Formula One at previous races. So, yeah, everything built. everything built towards a really exciting qualifying we had you know people ollie berman had a big shunt we had lewis had a crash we had you know all sorts of stuff going on and then we had this amazing shootout and very close in qualifying so we were i was buzzing i was buzzing ahead of the grand prix i thought here we go there's going to be some action and then in the end the best drivers in the world didn't really give us anything other than a you know lance stroll down an escape road and Lewis retiring his car.

20:33So I think the fans, we've got to listen to them. We can't say, oh, you're wrong. If they're saying they think the race was boring, then hey, you know, that's what they think. What we do have is the opportunity to make changes, because if we don't make changes and we come back and have a similar processional race, and Max Verstappen commented that he was not at all concerned when he was being caught by Lando Norris, because he said all i need to do is drive in the middle of the track as you would in monaco um so if we if we take all that information and come back next year with exactly the same and we have the same then you know the old put the same cake mix into the the oven then and expect a different outcome you know that's that's stupidity um right folks when we come back uh we will be talking about the brand new circuit in madrid the mad ring did it live up to expectations be that over one lap or over a grand prix distance tell us what you think as well about lando's race and about kimmy's win and thanks already to everybody who's messaged us about the race we'll be getting to some of those comments in a little while keep in touch as always via the social media channels at up to speed show subscribe on youtube and you can email us up to speed at global.com hey man you hungry let's order delivery yeah i was thinking italian burgers oh game night just got tense two bros on different sides of the fence Burgers or pasta tonight Why can't we have food without the fight?

22:15With Wonder, you can combine 20 restaurants in one delivery, so no one has to settle. Download the app today. Wonder, food without the fight. Here's one from Mandy on Instagram, and she said, I was really looking forward to this race, but in the end it was a bit dull. And then Tris on Instagram, Instagram, Instagram, I've just made up a new platform. How can the Mad Ring evolve to promote better racing as the race is boring and lacks character? Well, I think I've kind of pre-answered that. Interesting. Make changes. A good old-fashioned slower chicane, like you have the first chicane in Monza, creates overtaking because you have braking distance.

22:58The first and second chicane currently are too fast, basically. So you enter on a shallow line with too much speed or somewhere around that area, you chuck in a loop, a hairpin loop that encourages people to have a go. That's the only thing you can do in the middle part of the circuit where it's all fast and flowing. Turn 12, you can't do anything because you need you need the circuit to join up with with the end and you need to get there somehow. Yeah, I'm not a big fan of those big, wide-open chicanes like you have at Jeddah or that you have in Abu Dhabi, and there were quite a few of those around the track.

23:39But DC, as you said, with the layout of the circuit as it is, if you're going to throw in the Monza-type chicane, though, you need the jeopardy that lies on the outside of that. You need the gravel so that people can't get pushed wide and taken advantage or cut it and taken advantage. there's got to be a jeopardy in there it's a it's a fascinating one isn't it because the circuit itself the circuit was designed by tilkey it's the company dromo the the italian well so dromo was the italian company who originally did it but then tilka finished building it okay so tilka didn't design it it was a different company designed it there's a bit of an argument at the moment as to like who owns the ip but it was an italian company um that designed it and carlos science helped them design it so blame carlos um and um and then and then they weren't delivering it as well as they should have done so tilka came in and helped finish it off so tilka under the auspices of like being the people who are fixing it maybe they can come in and make some changes and turn it into a proper circuit i think look the problem with the track is is what they've designed is a challenging track right and but what they haven't designed is a great race track and they're two very different things and and i was thinking about it and it's kind of like if you like if you love your music right and you you love listening to great music like jazz for a lot of people is quite difficult to get into because basically what as a musician you can you can really understand the complexity and the brilliance and the genius of of where that music lies but but if you're just a casual listener like it it's a bit difficult to listen to and it's a bit hard to get your head around and it's it's you're not going to walk out of there humming the song and that's what this track is is it's a bit of a jazz record in the technically brilliant and so complex and so complicated and to watch the drivers absolutely nail it, wow, what a show.

25:46But in terms of providing entertainment and a race and something that will lodge itself in your head as, wow, that was brilliant, you know, can't wait for the next one. Not great. No, but there is room and opportunity to improve on that. Interestingly, you say Carlos Sainz was seen to be an advisor and Nico Rosberg actually said we should be criticising Carlos Sainz for this because he was the ambassador. It wasn't a great weekend for Carlos when you think about it. You know, he had one of his childhood heroes, Fernando Alonso, criticising him. He didn't name him when he was criticising him because he moved and Fernando had his front wing and damaged the front wing on the back of Carlos' car.

26:30Yeah, so the luck not going with the home heroes. No, definitely not. Definitely not. not a great week for the Spaniards. I was convinced we were going to have like a 1990, was it 96, 97 Monaco, where only like five drivers finished the race because I just assumed everyone was going to lunch it into the walls. We were going to have like five safety cars, three red flags. It was going to be a nightmarish afternoon. Why was the rate of attrition in the Grand Prix not as high as a lot of people were expecting, given what we saw in the support races, given what we saw even in F1 practice sessions, you know, and qualifying up to that point of the weekend.

27:16Why were they not as wild as we thought they were going to be? No, I think it's a brilliant question. And the only answer that I can kind of offer up to you right now, in F3 and F2, they run standards, what we call powertrains, and therefore you drive to the limit of the tire grip everywhere. And that means that you're going as fast as you can in the high speed and you're going as fast as you can in the medium and as fast as you can in the slow. With this hybrid era of Formula 1 through Turn 12, they are harvesting. They're a bit like in Puan, in Spa. And in qualifying, that would be less of an issue because you need to go as fast as you can in as many of the fast places as possible.

28:00But in the race, maybe they were just in a routine of taking energy and deploying energy, taking energy and deploying energy. A couple of places where they were kissing walls. We saw Lando during the race kiss the wall. We heard Kimi say he touched the wall in Turn 7, but clearly not enough to drag him out of the Grand Prix. So I can only imagine it's that. and therefore this brilliant looking racetrack just didn't challenge them as much. You know, I thought they'd be sweating because in Monza, it was a hot Grand Prix and Kimi had a real sweat on and his face to me standing in front of him was quite red.

28:42When I watched back the interviews and the race for my reference, he actually, I went, God, he didn't look as red on television. He did in reality. so people probably wondered what I was questioning them when I said it looks like you've been working hard so they didn't look that sweaty given it's a hot, hard Grand Prix around the streets but yeah, that's the only thing I can offer you Fascinating, that makes a lot of sense I will say one thing I know it wasn't the most fascinating Grand Prix in the world but watching the on-boards on Saturday in qualifying um and there's been a lot of talk about harvesting and modern grand prix cars not being what they should be and not displaying the true virtuosity and heroicism of drivers this year sitting on board for those quali laps around that track um watching the commitment the speed like the speed um i had one of those really great afternoons of just being completely in awe of f1 drivers and f1 cars on an f1 circuit it was um yeah not the greatest racing circuit on earth but at 10 10 in qualifying that was bloody impressive because it was coming at you so so fast um yeah Yeah, I agree.

30:12Made you step back from the screen and just be like, that's impressive, man. I totally agree. And I think that's why I love the quality. And I came in so excited on Sunday for something. You know, this was going to be a crash band wallet race. And then it didn't give us that. But anyway, we live and learn. We live and learn. Wonderful stuff. Right. Still to come. consternation after the race because George Russell being forced onto the two-stop strategy. A lot of his fans unhappy about that.

30:51One of the things when we were celebrating Keemney, we have to sort of ask again what's going on with George. He was one of the only guys to do a two-stop. And we had Toto dead explain that they reacted to that because he'd been on saying that the mediums weren't in great shape. Pretty much exactly, I guess, why McLaren pitted Lando so early because they didn't feel the mediums were in great shape. So, yeah, it looked a bit like George was the outlier on that two-stop strategy. It didn't work for him. There was a bit of conversation on the radio where he was trying to obviously influence the strategy from the car.

31:31I guess they rolled the dice. It didn't really work for him. he kind of had a difficult qualifying race. But still, like, he finished, what, fifth? Like, it's not the end of the world, just behind Charles, who obviously, you know, stayed out on those tyres as long as he could, which is what George would have had to have done if they hadn't have brought him in under VSC. And again, you know, look, I bring it back to the point earlier that if your driver's not winning, you're always looking for reasons and excuses. And I think within the last sort of half a season, maybe even longer, the George Russell fan club is very much in the kind of conspiracy theory mode that the team doesn't want George to win.

32:16And the team has determined that Kimi is going to win the title this year and they hate George and they don't want George to win. And I don't believe that. I don't believe that for a moment. You know, had Mercedes not brought George in under the VSC and changed tyres, those same people saying that the team are deliberately kiboshing George's strategy by making him do the two-stop would have queried why they didn't bring him in under the virtual safety car when everyone else was coming in under the virtual safety car. You know, live by the sword, die by the sword. There's no right answer in it.

32:47You do what is right at the time. and what's right at the time is, given how bloody long that pit lane is, you take any opportunity you can to cut down that pit stop time by pitting under the virtual safety car. Like, you have to. Yeah, no, that was an absolute given. And as we know, it just wasn't an option for Lando. I think what we're just seeing is, in the same way that this year's formula has suited Lewis more relative to Charles, you know, there's been a swing in their performance from last year to this year. Oscar has kind of dropped off form relative to Lando where he was leading the world championship up until Baku last year so you know it's the sort of swings and roundabouts of this formula we've got Kimi coming alive and George is on the ropes but in fairness to George I think he's been he's sort of come to terms with it he's fronting up to the media he's answering the questions he did an interview with Martin Brundle over the weekend where he said look Kimmy's just doing a better job than me right now I think that's a big man that can admit that publicly we would all be thinking it but sometimes racing drivers bury their head in the sand and it's just one excuse after another but I believe in George I feel for him it's a championship that's slipping away but he's still young enough in his career that he'll have his moments.

34:13Do you think he almost needs to kind of take that position so that he doesn't put the pressure on himself and then it comes back to him or potentially comes back to him because if he sat there and was putting himself under the microscope and really hammering himself over the fact that Kimi's beating him there's no way he gets himself out of the funk but if he can man up to it and sort of be like look he's just doing a better job that kind of takes some of the pressure off and might allow him to find his stride again yeah yeah i think so i think that the you know the team are experienced enough as well with you know toro and bradley and those guys and all of the experienced engineers no one takes pleasure in watching someone struggle he's been there he's won grand prix he's part of the fabric of the team they'll all want him to be bouncing back but all of them can't help but be impressed with what kimmy's doing that's the nature of this difficult business of formula one where you have two teammates and when they're going hammer and tongs it usually ends in tears um right now part of that pressure has been taken off because you know Kimi's a bit further up the road than George but yeah they they will put the arm around him George will work through the data and he'll find a way to try and minimize that gap because at the end of the day he's got all of the information on how Kimi is delivering the performance he might not exactly how he's able to in terms of the feeling within the car, but he can see brake pressure, he can see turn in, he can see, you know, throttle application.

35:44It's all there. When you're looking at a competitor, you're trying to work it out from sound analysis. So he's got the ultimate seat, basically, to the ultimate spy in the cab. Buddy, thank you so much. And folks, thank you for tuning in. DC will be back later this week. You, as always, can keep in touch with us on the socials at up to speed show follow us there email us up to speed at global.com new episodes as always every monday and thursday subscribe leave us a review and we will be back well i won't but dc will on thursday see you then this has been a global production