Why Lewis Hamilton's Ferrari fairytale is far from over & Is Mercedes' Achilles heel real?

0:02This is a global production. What a brilliant, brilliant weekend. He's going to get his trophy back. I'm not going anywhere. I'm not retiring. The Achilles heel for Mercedes is real. That's such a freak situation. The FIA have screwed up again. What on earth just happened? It's Hollywood delicious. This season, I think, just got kicked into overdrive because it's not just about George and Kimmy anymore.

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0:36It's Will. It's Naomi. It's David. Welcome to Up to Speed. Well, guys, it's finally happened. Grande Luigi. Incredible. Lewis Hamilton, a race winner for Ferrari. And I really enjoyed it. It was a great race. Super happy for him. Super happy for Ferrari and everybody. Just what a great news story. Incredible. I mean, look, I think we at no point in the weekend necessarily, well, at least I'll speak for myself, did not have Lewis Hamilton winning the race on my bingo card. They took us somewhat by surprise. Great strategy call from the pit bull. Tiny bit of luck with the VSC, but I believe that he probably would have won it anyway.

1:18And just so great to see Lewis back on the top step of the podium. I keep saying how I've been working in Formula One now for five years, and this is only the second time I've seen him on the top step of the podium, although he has won three races. Just to think that that's all he's won in five years is not anything any of us could ever have imagined. But that's why it feels all that more great to see him on the top step, because you can see that he's been yearning for it and how much it means to him and to do it in red as well. Yeah, when you take away the fact that there has been that lean period, it was like just cut and paste to an era of his career where it was expected he would be in the hunt.

2:02It was expected he could be on the podium and it was expected that he could win Grand Prix. And that was the thing that I find so amazing, actually, about him as an individual, even though he's 41, he looks like he's 31. And I've mentioned to you in the podcast before that by the time I got to the end of what little talent I had at 37, I was looking around thinking, I don't recognise myself in amongst all of these younger drivers. But somehow Lewis has found his own space. He's always been his own man. and I'm kind of conflicted in my mind because as a standalone Grand Prix weekend, I thought it was brilliant.

2:43I thought the unexpected, almost being on pole, George's comeback, all of the things that unfolded there if you were writing a Hollywood script was in place and then the anticipation of would the Ferrari outstart the Mercedes, that didn't happen. But what became very clear once the race settled down, they had the car, they had the driver, they had the strategy, things that we have gone, And well, strategy, what are they doing? Driver, where is he? And, you know, there's been some uncertainty on the car at certain times. So it all came together in a dominant victory. So, hey, what a brilliant, brilliant weekend.

3:18And off the back of Monaco, it's actually, I feel that Barcelona is one of those underrated racetracks and destinations for people to go to. It's a brilliant Grand Prix weekend, being in the city and being at that racetrack. As you say, DC, it's a great race weekend to go to as a fan for all of those reasons. But I think the thing that resonated with me so much about Sunday wasn't just that he won. It was how he won, as you said. The fact he was pulling away with consumer ease. And we've been talking about this, I think, a little bit since Canada and the ease that he seemed to find with the car, totally at one with it.

3:56We saw that again in Monaco. We saw it this weekend in Barcelona. but the emotion that that lewis had on that top step of the podium i remember what he won at silverstone um a couple of years ago and that was you know it felt like a bit of a surprise but for him it was this this real sort of cathartic moment of yeah i still can do this i am still good enough and similarly this weekend because you know we look at the the period from 2022 to 2025 cars that clearly didn't suit him and he was clearly questioning so much and there was so much going through his head you know am i still good enough can i still do this the move to ferrari the change up in the regulations to this year and still the you know the questions whether he was leveling them out himself or whether he was having them leveled at him you know and he said in press conferences recently you know i'm not going anywhere i'm not retiring all you guys trying to retire me you know i'm not going anywhere um and so to just just see that outpouring of emotion and oddly enough it was when the italian national anthem hit and he could see the team singing and celebrating and how much that meant um it was pretty honestly it was it was pretty incredible um there's a lovely parallel as well you know michael's first win with ferrari coming at barcelona back in 96 30 years later lewis's first win coming with ferrari you know at barcelona there's all these lovely parallels with it as well 100 it's it's it's always crazy to see how those types of stars align and kind of gives you goosebumps when you think of it but i was actually standing under the podium last yesterday and um yeah the emotions were really raw and i think it goes both ways there was a lot of i doubt i think at some points in time whether lewis made the right decision to go to ferrari obviously with mercedes coming out this year and being so you know dominant up until this moment, a lot of people wondering whether Lewis made the mistake by leaving them.

5:49And it was just nice to see the emotion that was shared between them because we haven't really seen that yet. And there's been, as you say, last year, there was a lot of negativity. There was a lot of, it was hard at times to listen to Lewis, you know, he was doubting himself a lot. You could feel that he would not necessarily lost the motivation, but yeah, kind of lost his North star because he wasn't able to do what he's, you know, become known for being able to do so well in the car. But then it's just so great to see these tiny moments, well, I say tiny, these monumental moments, and the gust of wind that it puts in someone's sails.

6:22And, you know, when it comes to that question of retirement, as you say, people have been trying to retire him for a long time. Well, this, I think, extends his lifetime in Formula One. And we're all really, really grateful and happy to see it. Listen, as a step back, I saw Lewis at the weekend felt the need, I think it was Sky Germany he was doing an interview with where Schumacher had, I don't know what he said but it was obviously something that touched a nerve with Lewis and he felt the need to say you know, he hasn't won a championship I've won seven championships, which is unusual, sort of check how big my wallet is.

6:55It's unusual for Lewis to enter into that discussion, but it obviously was sufficient for him to want to push back and I get it, we are in the public eye, we get people who go, oh, I really like what you said. And we get people who go, you're an idiot. You know, that goes with the territory. But the bottom line is he has been such a high achiever. He's been a game changer, you know, of his generation over the period he's been in Formula One, the GOAT. And it's a greater conversation as to whether he's better than Senna, better than whoever your favorite driver from the past it doesn't matter he has been incredible and yesterday felt to me like one of those i remember where i was when moments because a lewis hamilton coming back from adversity in a ferrari which has constantly criticized even when it's winning there's you know they're constantly under the pressure fred vasur having some medical issues in monaco all of those things came together in this unbelievable moment where I will remember where I was when Lewis won his first Grand Prix for Ferrari.

8:10And it may be because I was there, but my point being, people around the world will remember that moment. But it's wild to think that even a driver like Lewis, I mean, this was his 106th victory. He's obviously won seven world titles. You would have thought that like he has done it all. And it's just, yeah, he has done it all. And I mean, And he owns most of the record book. But it's just, yeah, great to see that more dreams can still be unlocked. And that's kind of the sentiment that it was when you felt, you know, the emotion under that podium was really like this was a childhood dream. And I think when he heard the Italian national anthem being chanted by his teammates, I think it was probably a very surreal moment for him when you think that nothing could feel surreal to him anymore.

8:49Right. Yeah. And you mentioned the 106 wins, Naomi. And so often when you interview Lewis and you talk to him and you ask him about previous races and he always sort of dismisses, oh, I don't remember, you know, specific races. This is one he's going to remember. You know, this is one of those moments that I think will live with him for a very, very long time, possibly because there was so much build up to it because of the questioning of himself, because of the world questioning him, his decision to move. you know did he still have what it you know does he does he still have what it takes um and pulling that all together for that win it's it's it's validation isn't it of of a sort and the fact that the greatest and we call him the goat and he probably is the greatest of all time in formula one the fact that the greatest we have ever seen still needs validation and needs that feeling of yeah i am i'm i'm okay i can i can do i can do this this is what i was meant to be doing I think is quite powerful and is pretty incredible.

9:50I love it for him and Fred. I've said since the moment that he signed for Ferrari that Fred had unlocked a version of Lewis when he was coming through the junior formulas that I still don't think we'd ever seen that version of Lewis in Formula One. It was so raw. It was so joyful and purposeful and raced with this beautiful freedom that we were starting to kind of see unlocked over the last few races. So I love that the Lewis and Fred relationship has this thing now to sort of hang its hat on. And it's just the start, right? Because Kimi retires from the race. So Lewis's win cuts down the championship gap.

10:25Lewis was already second in the championship, cutting that gap back. The question was asked to him by Nico, you know, about the championship. And Lewis didn't give it a full beans. Yeah, I'm in the fight. But you know it's up there. You know he's thinking it. because and we haven't really talked about it the ad uo ferrari are going to get a couple of upgrades on their engine now mercedes is going to get one ferrari going to get two and i think it was lando who said you know it's lucky ferrari don't have a better engine or they'd be dominating right now well guess what guys they've got the possibility to have a better engine so this season i think just got kicked into overdrive because it's not just about george and kimmy anymore lewis and ferrari are in the fight and if they make the steps forward which we think they could and we hope they might guys we've got we've got a proper fight on you know the thing that i thought was really great in barcelona was we weren't on a track that is let's say energy poor we weren't in this scenario where it was like pass repass pre-pass and you know which was confusing at the beginning of the year because are we seeing a real pass or not the passes we saw whether they were using a little bit extra deployment or not were well executed difficult to do and keep clean passes and that's another reason why i'm feeling so good about where we are at this point in the season the world championship battle is real it's on it's a development race we know it's always been like that case and don't don't write off mclaren coming back with some future success or red bull because the their upgrades are all incoming and it's a question of who's got the best correlation but um when you talk about the engines i spoke to toto wolf after the grand prix and one thing i really respect about toto in success he's there and he does the interviews in failure he's there and he does the interviews because it's very easy to suddenly bury your head when things are not going so well and you could see he's super professional as always and he's going yeah this is just you know this is not acceptable the the reliability we have right now across the board.

12:30It's affected Williams. It's affected McLaren. It's affecting us. Alpine, I don't recall one particular issue, but I assume they've had something. So the Achilles heel for Mercedes is real. And that's going to be a head scratcher because engines are massively complex and not easy to sort those issues. One Achilles heel that didn't show itself in Barcelona is Ferrari strategy. Right, I know. Right. I mean, look, one swallow does not a summer make, but but they nailed it. Right. And we've got to give them props because we've we've chewed them out over this week in, week out. Ferrari got it absolutely right.

13:12It looked early, but it was game on. It was. And you're right that sometimes we we've become used to not necessarily relying too much on Ferrari strategy. And, you know, they made it count when it mattered. I think just to go back onto this development race topic and reliability, I think also Red Bull have had quite a lot of struggles. But we talk a lot about Barcelona being a circuit where we get a true sense of what the pecking order is. And I have to say that I was a little bit surprised that McLaren weren't further up. And the real true surprise for me was the Ferraris because, you know, Charles has had two back to back, you know, messes in qualifying.

13:50He was quick all weekend long up until he, you know, crashed in qualifying. So who knows where he would have been as well. But they were in terms of lap time, they were right there. And yes, the engine is there, you know, their weak point. But apparently they already have an upgrade coming as soon as the next race in Austria. So let's see what's going to happen. But I agree that this is going to be a season that's going to be full of excitement, full of changes. And I'm pretty sure, as you say, DC, that the rest of them will also be catching up. And we're going to see this season sort of ebb and flow.

14:20But the idea of Lewis potentially being in a fight for an eighth title battle, I mean, is a great story, right? That's what we all thought when he moved to Ferrari, there was so much excitement around it. And there was this talk of like, this could potentially be where he gets his eighth. Now that's looking realistic. And how exciting is that? It's Hollywood delicious is what it is. Yeah, it's great. F1, F1, 2, the script they're working on right now, they're going, we can just rate reality. because it's brilliant the reality is better than the script isn't it truth is better than fiction um and and and you know it feels like fiction to say that you know lewis has got an engineer that he's enjoying working with at ferrari because that wasn't the case last year um they've got strategy that's that's playing out the three stop was the way to go um and dc you said you know lap 11 and then you said as well you know it felt like a super early moment to pull the pin what what i found fascinating was mercedes covered that off right so they pitted at the same time and then george was asking the question are we changing the strategy and they said no and i found it interesting this the quotes from toto after the race of maybe we need to stop the drivers racing each other because maybe that's what lost us the race i think the reality check on this has got to be what lost you the race was the fact that you didn't you didn't react to the fact that the deg was as high as it was and we we saw that even during the f2 race race is we saw the deg was high we knew the track temperature was was ridiculous that was up at like 45 degrees right the deg was killer and the deg was always going to be killer during the race they had the option to switch to the three but decided not to that for me is the the crux of this race and the pivotal thing that handed this race to Ferrari was they committed to the three and Mercedes covered it on the first stop under pressure they faulted under pressure didn't they right okay so you've got your two drivers at Mercedes right you've got Kimi and George and they want to be fair to them both so does that mean they wouldn't have split the strategies because they didn't want to give one a potential advantage over the other so they stick to the plan stick to the two and then if they lose they lose as a team um i just i i don't know it's too easy to say oh we shouldn't let the drivers race bollocks let the drivers race if you don't want to let the drivers race employ a number one driver and a number two driver if you employ two drivers you want to fight for the championship let them bloody race it's what annoyed me about mclaren it's what's starting to annoy me about mercedes this year give us a fight you employed the drivers so let them bloody fight the best thing you can do is employ the two fastest drivers and if you go through the history of time where it has gone wrong, Prost and Senna and many others, Piquet and Mansell it moves everybody forward it puts everybody on edge you've got to have the two best drivers and I know you could go over the example of Michael at Ferrari, gave him a dominant period, but I think that was of a different time, team orders weren't allowed back then, team orders are allowed now but you want the high watermark in terms of what can the driver get out of the car to be displayed and then I think it got complicated for McLaren last year when they were working on the strategy.

17:31I think Mercedes have a lot more experience of that given the Nico and Lewis era. So they'll figure it out. But they're making their decisions in public. And we've got the benefit of an air-conditioned commentary box to go, I wouldn't have done that. But that's the name of the game. I suppose it's a tricky one, right? Because as you say, Will, where does the priority lie? Is the priority that they want to win every race or is the priority that they want to give these two drivers a fair chance at winning the driver's world title? I know that the constructors is always the number one priority for a team.

18:04Once that's in the bag, it's kind of like, OK, now we can focus on other things. But the obvious point is that we knew coming to Barcelona with the temperatures that we had, we know that this is a very abrasive surface. And as you said, the track temperature was almost 50 degrees, actually. And so tire degradation or, you know, the more rapid wear of the tires was a factor all weekend long. So the fact that they decided to ignore that kind of only leads us to believe that they wanted to give them a fair chance between the two of them. And maybe their focus at the time was not so much on Ferrari.

18:36You know, what other excuse would they have? It's a bugbear that I have with Formula One. but it's the manner in which the sport works and has always worked and probably will always work that ultimately you have one team two cars and the decisions taken for those two cars are made by one brain trust so you don't have a specific strategist per driver you don't have two pit crews for two drivers you have one pit crew that services two so there's there's they are a team you know and and because of that the decisions that the team are making they're never going to make a decision that just favors one driver over the other when you have two number ones like mercedes do does that actually hold us back from seeing the kind of all-out fights that we would love to see between those drivers if they had their own individual pit walls that were making decisions not that were best for the team but were best for their individual driver in that specific moment.

19:39And so often you see the teams almost outthink themselves because they're trying to be too fair. I'd love to see a scenario where, you know, on that Mercedes pit wall, you had two teams actually going against each other and fighting for what was best for their driver rather than necessarily having to take the team decision before the driver decision. And when it comes to Mercedes, guys, you know, look, we did get a fight between the drivers and And we talk about the deg. By deg, I mean tyre degradation. So the tyres ultimately losing their speed the further through a stint they get. And the deg was key for George.

20:17And this is another reason I'm surprised they didn't switch onto the three specifically for George. Because his second half of his final two stints, he was clearly struggling on the tyre. And that's when Kimi caught all of that gap back to him and was able to execute a brilliant pass on George. I still didn't figure out where he got that wing damage. Did anyone, because I rewatched it and I don't see any contact between the two of them. So where did that come from? I have no idea. Bizarre, but, you know, I don't know if this is a maybe unpopular opinion, because obviously you want drivers to be finishing races and you don't want there to be too many reliability issues.

20:55But I kind of, when something like this happens, where you've seen it happen to the teammates, so where this title battle right now feels like it was mostly between George and Kimi. I almost feel like this equals the playing field again, because obviously George had his reliability issues out in Canada. Kimi's now had his and hopefully they won't have many more going forward. But I wasn't as sad for Kimi in this moment, you know, as I would have been if George had not had reliability issues before. Did you guys feel that way or am I just nuts? No, I raced in an era where reliability, we expected not to finish maybe 20, 30 percent of the races.

21:30He didn't want it, but it was just part of the game because we were developing the cars and engines constantly. We've been for several years now in homologated engines that in the interest of cost, once they're up and running, that's what you have. But this is year one. What are we now going into? We're not even halfway through the season. So there will be continual little. If you look at a Grand Prix car and you look at a Grand Prix engine, it's amazing how reliable they are. because they're engineering works of art. They're packaged beautifully below that bodywork. And I was just marvelling in the garage before the Grand Prix at the very fact we've got McLaren, we've got Mercedes, we've got Ferrari, we've got Red Bull as the top teams right now.

22:13And they're all within two, three tents with different designers, different philosophies, different cultures within the companies that build them. And it just shows what humans are capable of. It's absolutely fantastic. I love it. I think we should have a quick run through the other point scorers, because some good stories there for the smaller teams, the teams developing. Alpine, another solid weekend for them. RB, of course. Max was all alone, but he was looking for the positives, which is they were on the right strategy. I think there's a lot of things to be excited about. No, I'd agree with you on that, DC.

22:54The battle behind was great. I'm continually impressed this season with Audi and we don't talk about them enough. I think the job they've done coming into the sport as a new team, new engine, all of that, to see them consistently fighting to be in the top 10 in qualifying and in the race, I think that's a really astonishing job. And I don't think we praise that as much as we should do. Bizarre retirement for Hulkenberg, by the way. Yeah, look, you're absolutely right. But let's counter that because it's a little bit like Braun winning a world championship in the only year they entered Formula One.

23:27The team existed. You know, it was still sauber, isn't it? Yeah, it's sauber. They've been on the grid since before I started and finished in Formula One. I think what praise should be given is on the power unit side that they have a what appears to be a fact. Have they got tokens for development or were they considered not too bad? Yeah, they get two. Yeah, they get two. But look, yeah, I think that Bortoletto and Hulkenberg, two different phases of their careers, but bring experience, bring youth, and are both delivering. So yeah, I definitely tip the cap to Audi's involvement, but they're not newbies.

24:05You know, be like me trying to slip into an 18 to 30 nightclub. You know, it would take a lot of makeup. That's fair. That's fair. Well, just on Hulkenberg, I mean, how bizarre. I mean, I don't remember the last time I've seen that. Obviously, it's a bit of a freak situation, but we'll just talk us through anything that happened there. I've never seen it. So ultimately, Liam Lawson caused Nico Hülkenberg's retirement from the Grand Prix. They didn't make contact. Lawson ran through the gravel trap, kicked gravel up in the air and back towards Hülkenberg's car, and a piece of gravel caught. So on the side of the car, there's a little loop pull for the marshals to be able to pull to set off a fire extinguisher and kill the electronics in the car.

24:51It's a safety mechanism. And a piece of gravel ultimately seems to have got into that loop and pulled the loop, set off the fire extinguisher and killed the electronics in Hulkenberg's car, which I've never seen ever. What pieces of gravel have arms and fingers? but it's it's gymnastics for a piece of gravel but the loop sits horizontally it doesn't sit vertically so the the chances if it's vertical the chance of something kind of hitting it and pulling it would be higher it's horizontal something had to to go at the exact angle to sort of loop either upwards into it or over the top down into it and and pull it i i'm mad i've never heard of that ever the only equivalent i can think was if we recall back to budapest when a third spring element fell off the back of rubens barichello's car it bounced on the track and managed to find felipe massa and the ferrari and hit him on the helmet and at the point at which the the thing fell off the back of rubens's car they were like a couple hundred meters apart So the chances of those two things coming together is just, you've just got to call it fate.

26:07You can't call it anything else. But what a madness. Yeah, totally. That was such a freak accident with Massa, wasn't it? Oh, yeah. But every now and again, the gravel, I mean, the gravel can't, I do love gravel traps. I prefer them to big runoff areas because it's just like there's more risk. It's more like... Nobody ever. Well, no, I don't like finding them. But as a spectator, I do think that it's more interesting than a big runoff area. I mean, there's a little bit more jeopardy, you know, safety cars, you know, like all this extra stuff. But when you're following someone who does go off and you sometimes occasionally that piece of gravel finds itself in the cockpit as well.

26:43Like people have been known to break their fingers from gravel. And I've I've never unfortunately had a broken finger from a piece of gravel. But I have had very, very, very painful fingers like it is. Oh, my goodness. So, so, so painful. Is that a gravel injury broken pinky there, DC? No, it's not. It's actually my father shot it in the car door when I was four, but I just saw what happened. Give us an example of what someone's finger would look like. Finger could look like. Well, imagine that. How underwhelming is that? Imagine you just like excited for your race. Nothing has happened and you're so confused in the car.

27:21Like what on earth just happened? Like that's such a freak situation. madness now don't go anywhere because coming up in a little bit we're going to be talking about the fia bombshell that was dropped on friday um but before we do that we want to hear from you guys and what you thought about lewis's win so please head over to socials our platforms are at up to speed show and leave us a comment tell us what you thought share it with us and um we'll hopefully come back to you if you have any questions and if you're not subscribed to us on youtube please do that now

27:58now guys um arriving in barcelona we had news that was a carryover from monaco of course uh lovely podium there isaac hadjar so much joy uh for him and for red bull but absolute devastation for pierre gasly who thought he'd had a podium only to have it taken away at the last because he was given uh penalties for speeding in the pit lane and we discussed this the number of pit lane speeding uh penalties that were handed out surely something was up well alpine uh put in their right to review the right to review was heard and the fia determined that gasley's penalties would be overturned and so he ultimately ended up being given the podium place in monaco one i just want to say i'm gutted for pierre that you didn't actually get to stand on that because like points and points and points right and he's got the points brilliant whatever you didn't get to stand on that on that unique podium uh and the team didn't get to celebrate and and so i'm kind of gutted for them for that but at least they get the points that go along with it um the fia and f1 uh admitted that uh when they had checked the distance in the pit lane between the timing loops, it was actually shorter than they believed it was.

29:18So it was a mea culpa from F1, from FOM and from the FIA that they had measured it incorrectly. And therefore, Gasly's pit lane speeding fines should not have been handed down to him. He shouldn't have been given those penalties because he hadn't exceeded the speed limit. It was that the distance covered was actually shorter than they thought it was when they were working out the speed, the average speed over that over that um that that point so that's why he was given the places back but he was also given the places back because he never took the penalty in the race alpine were the only team that that raised their right to review within the time scale but even if other teams had they wouldn't have been able to because they served their penalties during the race and once the penalties are served during the race you can't have them rescinded after the race.

30:05So does this create a tricky legal precedent whereby if you are given a penalty during a race, you decide not to take it on the off chance that you can have it overturned once the checkered flag falls? Discuss. Well, if you look at George's situation, he did not choose to serve his first penalty, but they forgot, I think, at the pit stop, given the fact they were double stacking to serve his five second penalty. And then he was then handed a drive through. So it's only really, if you end up in that situation at the sort of last phase of the race, if you've already had your pit stops, that you can do that.

30:41Cause if you choose not to serve your time penalty at the pit stop, you then get a drive. You'll be given a drive. As we saw with George, but, um, so, but I think, yes, it does open that can of worms. And I think that the teams will measure up on the specific occasion, whether it's worth doing that, because the fact of the matter is they don't get it wrong all the time, but they do get it wrong sometimes, the FIA. And so it is sometimes worth taking a gamble and seeing whether you can argue that after the case. It's great to see that the FIA have held their hands up and said, we did mess this up and we will take that penalty back.

31:17But what I find a bit of a shame, and obviously I'm very happy for Gasly, and I know you're a bit sad for him, Will, that he didn't make it onto the podium. I agree with you that for drivers who don't always, you know, visit the podium weekend week out, it's the moments that they live for. It's the ones that they hold out for. But he's still going to get a podium bonus. And I think that that will dry his tears. So the rest of the team. So there's that he's going to get his trophy back. And OK, it's not it's not everything he would have wanted, but it's some of it. But the big one for me is George, because let's be honest, George is in a title battle here with his teammate where every point is going to make the difference.

31:54And he didn't serve his first one. He then got the drive-through penalty. And that, I mean, was like devastating to, you know, the gap in the championship. So I know that Toto was saying on Thursday, I believe it was, that he was on the phone with his lawyers to see what they could still do. So let's see. Maybe this is not the end of this story. I see it like this. FIA, like everyone else, occasionally make mistakes because we're human. you know formula one drivers crash designers don't design the car properly strategists get things wrong so it's fanciful to think that just because we see the name fia and we don't really see the faces that they're invincible they're not they're just humans and a mistake was made i think every point is as valuable to anyone on the grid we put the focus on a championship battle and we put the focus on the you know those that are winning grand prix but a point to a team out of adversity, look at Aston Martin getting a point in Monaco, could make a significant difference to a number of factors within that team.