HTDE: Sheets and Blankets

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0:41Thanks. Hey there, Kevin and Rebecca. What can we help you with? This is an issue that's been going on for a long time, but we have this thing where we go to bed at night and we have lined up our sheets and blankets in a way that works for both of us. We make the bed. I mean, the bed is made. We make the bed, right. The bed is made. And it's been reset and everyone is happy. Sure. And then when we wake up the following morning, almost without fail, like I would say 90 % of the time, the sheet is pulled towards Rebecca and the blanket has been pulled towards me. Whoa. And so she only has sheet and I have blanket.

1:31it. Well, and, and in my, I would also say in my defense or in my, well, actually not my defense, I should say my interest is I'm, I'm a, I'm a marriage therapist and, um, we, we wake up in the morning sometimes and we're actually like angry with each other. I'm like, why did you take that whole, why'd you take the blanket? Like, what's your problem? You know? And so it, it, it has sometimes some residual frustrations in the morning, which, you know, I'm sort of like, why do we even have strong feelings about this? How is this happening? I don't know how to make it any better. Yeah, it's fascinating.

2:08I mean, plenty of couples there, there will be one half of the couple who steals everything. But yeah, whatever is happening between the two of you while you sleep, I've never heard of anything like it before. Yeah, the layering of this makes this very difficult to understand how it happens. Because, you know, the blanket would be harder for me to access and pull in my sleep. Well, there's a comforter too. Oh, the comforter is there too, but I don't think we have any, we don't seem to pull the comforter. I mean, more than anything, it's the sheet and the blanket that get pulled in different directions.

2:49Well, okay. So let's lay out the case here. So you each have a set side of the bed you sleep on. Who's on the, if we're, I guess, facing the ceiling, who's on the left, who's on the right? Facing the ceiling, yeah, I'm on the left. Yeah. Okay. I'm always closer to the door in case of an intruder. Okay. Good. Good. Rebecca, you're laughing awfully hard at that idea. I think it's poking fun at me. I may have used that reasoning in years past. Okay. Good. Good to know. Okay. Okay. And what position are the two of you in when you go to sleep first? Like, honestly, about as far away from each other as possible.

3:33Okay. But like, are you on your sides turned away from each other, turned towards each other? Yeah. Side sleeper turned away. Okay. And we sound like, I think, probably not affectionate. We really do like each other a lot. But we both need, like, we just need space when we sleep. Like, when it's time to sleep, it's time to sleep. And we have a really big bed, so we can get a lot of, there's a lot of room. I think that's fair. The fact that you have taken the step of calling us shows us that you love each other. Are the sheets, like, super high thread count really nice? Or is the blanket extra fine, perfect blanket?

4:13Well, I mean, they both have their pluses and minus their bamboo sheets. And the blanket is just a really soft blanket. So, I mean, they're both like, you know. Okay. They're both pretty great, I think. But it doesn't matter what the thread count is if you don't have any sheet. That's the truth. Yeah. My thread count is zero a lot of nights. Okay, we've got a real mystery here. Yeah, this is good. I like this. We need a detective. Carlo Cattonio is on the line with us now. Now, he is the senior VP for investigative and risk mitigation services at Bo Dietl and Associates. In other words, he's a detective.

4:54Carlo, how would you approach this case? So we would have their full cooperation and, you know, their consent to perform a full investigation. Yeah. The first step that I would do is, number one, I would want to see the room. I would want to see where the bed is placed, see where any windows are, where any lighting is, the entrances, how many doors go into it, the square footage, ceiling height, things like that. And then I would try to, you know, being that they're consenting and they're on board with it, I would set up cameras and document the activity at night over the course of a week or so and see how this is happening.

5:34Or if there's something that is unexplainable, then, you know, we'd have a lot more data based on that visual evidence. Oh, like you mean, do you mean something paranormal? I don't know if it's paranormal, but I mean, if my intuition is that either Kevin or Rebecca is someone that moves when they're sleeping and, you know, maybe they get hot at night or maybe one or the other is moving in a way that's, you know, wrapping the sheet around Rebecca and the blanket around Kevin. Yeah. That seems like the most likely... What's been so flummoxing to them is that the blanket and the sheet are starting out together.

6:17So they can't figure out how it is that Rebecca is ending up with the entirety of the sheet and Kevin has all of the blanket. Yeah, I see the confusion there because if you're making the bed, You're getting into bed at a certain time. I also want to kind of ask them questions about their bedtime routine. Who goes to sleep first? Is it a new bed? Is it a new bedding set? Is it a new sheet? I can tell you, Carlo, I think these are bamboo sheets. What does that do? Okay. I would like to see how it behaves and see, is it more slippery than cotton sheets or a blend? Yeah. So you might go back and build the bed in the lab and experiment with how bamboo sheets might work.

7:06Yeah. I mean, I would even say to just see what would happen if you changed the bedding, if you tried different sheets. All of that could have a different effect on how your body adheres to the material. If you were on this case, and the first time you sat down with Kevin and Rebecca, would one of the questions you ask them be, do you have any enemies, anybody out there who would want to do you harm? Would that be a question you would ask? In this particular circumstance, I don't think we'd need to go that far. But in the interest of being as thorough as possible, I would ask that. Yeah. But this case is pretty, to me, seems very solvable.

7:49Yeah, it does, doesn't it? I imagine in a lot of stakeouts, it's just a lot of dead time. You're just hanging out. What are you going to be eating or drinking during this time? So the stakeout, I mean, if they want me personally there to have a human eye on it, that's a different story. That would be a first. I've never been invited into a client's bedroom for a week. But, you know, if I were to, I would be very respectful. I wouldn't eat or drink while they're sleeping, and I'd try to be as quiet as possible to, you know, minimize any disruptions and affect any of the results. Well, Carlo, thank you so much for helping us help Kevin and Rebecca.

8:33Oh, I mean, I would love to help Kevin and Rebecca. This would be a pleasure to work on. many of the cases that I'm working with unfortunately involve a lot higher stakes, but this one seems like a fun one. It seems like it's solvable, and it seems like it's something that I would be able to definitely provide some answers to Kevin and Rebecca on. And if nothing else, we can invest in a$30 nanny cam, which may solve all our problems. For something like this, that would be my first recommendation.

9:08Thank you for calling B &H. This is a sales operator. I'm a director of the call. Hi, I need to buy a camera. Sure. So I'll connect you with our photo department here. Just a moment, please. Thank you.

9:23B &H Photo, Wilson speaking. Hey, Wilson, I'm in the market for like a nanny cam. Is that something you can help me with? Nanny cam? Like a camera that you can like set up in a room and monitor? I got it. Okay, not me. You probably want to speak to our surveillance people handle that stuff. Could you hold on one minute, please? I can get you to them. This is Ezra in the surveillance department. How may I assist you today? Hey, Ezra. We're looking for, I guess you'd call it a nanny cam. What are the prices on like an entry-level nanny cam? Like a hidden camera? It doesn't have to be hidden. It's really, we have a situation where we're trying to monitor people sleeping overnight.

10:13Gotcha. Do you have Wi-Fi at the location? Yeah. We're trying to investigate if a couple, who is stealing the covers in a married couple, will this have a wide enough sweep to capture all that action? so the camera that i typically recommend uh sorry i put in the wrong part number uh what was it right it was the 120 okay okay so the camera that i would normally recommend that i typically recommend is got like a 100 degree horizontal field of view so if you mount the camera as close to the corner as you can of the room you'll see the entire room and it's going to be dark it's nighttime, is that going to be a problem?

10:57It has night vision infrared that can reach up to 30 feet away. Wow, okay. Let me ask you this question, Ezra. On the off chance that there is some paranormal activity going on, will we be able to capture that with this camera? That I don't know. I can't answer that question, unfortunately. Which camera does capture that? I have no clue. Do you want me to give you the part number of this camera so you can take a look at it? Yeah, yeah. What's that part number? It's Tia's in tango, Pia's in papa, Tia's in tango, A's in papa. Hello? Hello? Hello, is that Kevin? This is Kevin, yeah. And I'm here with Rebecca.

11:40Hello. Hey, how's it going? We're good. Yeah, how'd you sleep last night? We're still together. We're still together, so. That's good. Yeah, but I would say, though, there's something about sort of like bringing it up that has made it, I'm like almost more aware of the sheet blanket issue. Oh boy. Okay. I think I'm twirling. I think I'm like, I think I sort of grab the sheet and like twirl it around my body. I don't know. Okay, so maybe it's gotten worse. I don't know if it's worse. I think we're more maybe like reignited our awareness of it. There's less acceptance. Well, thank you both for getting back on the phone.

12:31We have an update. We've made some progress and we want to get your buy-in on some potential next steps. Okay. Well, we just got off the phone with a private investigator who investigates crime scenes and cold cases. And we laid out everything for him. And his recommendation is that for the next step, we send you all a camera and you film a night of sleep. And then Mike and I review the footage. Okay. Are you willing to do that?

13:17I feel like yeah I mean yes but it makes me a little nervous that I'm gonna like it's gonna be my fault oh oh really yeah but yeah I mean curiosity always gets the better of judgment so yeah they fire up the camera all right well let this be a verbal confirmation that you have agreed to let us watch surveillance tape of you sleeping.

13:46Let it be that. Perfect.

13:52All right, so we have sent a surveillance camera to Kevin and Rebecca. They're going to set it up, and they're going to send us the footage. We're going to take a short break, and when we come back, we're going to review the evidence. Again, this is two adults sleeping in their beds at night. And we're going to watch.

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17:09Okay, we have just received, via email, a lot of video of Kevin and Rebecca sleeping. Okay, so it looks like they're getting ready for bed. It's about 9.46, which I feel like, nice job. Nice and early. I'll say one thing I'm noticing here is how much Kevin is looking directly into the camera. So there may be some observer paradox that we are actually influencing the experiment here. And I just want to add, I'm glad he's not more comfortable. You know, I can only sleep if there are two strangers watching me on camera. Yeah, that'd be weird. All right, it's now 2.36 a.m. Seeing a lot of movement from Kevin here.

17:55Yeah. Rebecca's position has changed. Oh, it's changing again. Oh, okay. She has a lot of nighttime leg action. She now has one knee up. They didn't tell us, but she wears a sleep mask. Yeah. Which only would enable Kevin to do his bidding without her knowing. Oh, that's true. Yeah. She's technically blindfolded. yeah we've got this very very surveillance-y kind of fish eye lens and a very good view of the bed although it cuts off the very bottom so if anything is happening with feet if feet are the culprit here we're not gonna know basically the view that we have is if you're if you had a tv that was across from your bed like in a hotel room if the tv was watching you sleep that's the view we have here.

18:49And I think that in any hotel room, that's a pretty good bet is that there's a camera on the TV watching you. Oh, okay. I see some foot movement from Kevin. I think a moth just flew by the camera too. Did you see that? Yeah. Some sort of moth or specter. There it is again. All right. It feels like a separate problem, but Kevin and Rebecca, your room is haunted. what a lot of people who listen to our show don't realize is that for every question that is sent to us we ask people to send us a video of them sleeping to help us yeah better answer their their problems and i gotta tell you you know who uh you know who's a sound sleeper is autumns i'm not getting any audio so it's pretty quiet pretty quiet in the room i think we we just assume she's making a honk shoe sound.

19:46We can actually go ahead and add a little bit of that. Okay, that helps. That leg movement, though, without any arm. Now there's some arm movement. Okay, hold on. Here we go. Oh, goodness. We shouldn't see this. No. Okay. I feel bad. Rebecca has now, she just pushed the covers down and she is on top of the cover. She has no covering on at this point at 2.37 in the morning. So what we're seeing, Kevin fully comfortable under both blanket and sheet, and Rebecca out in the open on top of everything.

20:30Okay. Oh, there goes Kevin. Is he sleepwalking? Oh, are there birds in that room?

20:43It feels like it might be confetti Although as somebody who watches a child on a monitor From time to time you do just get weird Weird effects My child I just want to be clear I'm not just watching a random child on a monitor Too late I can't tell what's happening here He's left the bed She sat up She pushed the blanket down and pulled the sheet up. I don't know. Tell me what you think. I feel like we know what happens. We know what's going on. Yeah, and I think we know what to tell them. All right.

21:27Hello. Hey, how are you? I'm doing well. How are you? Hello. Oh, good. There's Rebecca. Nice. Yep. Yep. first of all let me just say thank you for agreeing to let us watch you sleep um maybe neither neither maybe none of us in this situation appreciated just how vulnerable and intimate uh this would this would be yeah yeah i i think that would be yeah i was really totally felt comfortable and then then it came time to her and then i was like yeah it felt a little bit exposing if it makes you feel better i also felt very uncomfortable watching

22:16but all that said i do think after watching reviewing the footage i do think we we have a pretty good hypothesis for what's going on here oh yeah we're very curious to hear Yeah. So what we think is happening is the comforter is making you too hot, Rebecca. Yeah. You're kicking everything off of you. Yeah. And then at some point, because you have nothing on you, you're getting too cold again. But you don't want to get too hot again, so you just grab the sheet and pull that up over you. Yeah, okay. And we saw it happen when Kevin was not in the bed. and so either what's happening is the jostling of him getting out of bed to go to the bathroom or whatever that's waking you enough that you notice your temperature is not quite right or Kevin is a heat source and when he leaves that's when you need the blank the sheet so either way it's his fault well I don't know that it's really I don't know that it's anyone's fault, right?

23:28Like, you get cold, you pull the sheet up, Kevin returns to the bed, maybe your grip on the sheet is so tight, you've got this, you know, Gollum-like strength on it. And he has no choice. He grabs the comforter. He's left with no other options. No other option. And so what we see in that video is Rebecca turned facing outward with the sheet, Kevin facing the other way with the comforter. Yeah. The thing that was so confusing to both of us was how the sheet and the blanket moved in opposite directions. But when you understand that she separates the sheet from the blanket, it sort of starts to make more sense.

24:19and then we both become pullers of our respective layer. Yeah, we are all but pullers of our respective layer in this world. If I were to give a prescription here, I think you got to get rid of your comforter. I think the comforter is the root of the problems. Interesting. That's like a down comforter. and we're, you know, we're in the North, so it's cold. And so we're going to be switching here soon to a lighter comforter. And, um, you know, maybe that will, maybe it'll be different, but I will have to see, we'll have to check that out. I could tell it was a heavy comforter just from the violence with which you kicked it off of yourself.

25:07I was really angry. I'm really angry if I'm too hot. Yeah. That's been one of the, when we have argued about this, is I have told her several times you don't actually need to throw the blankets off. You can just remove them. It's fascinating, because I do think one of the things that people say is you never know, you never actually know what's going on in a marriage. And I feel like, you know what? Ian and I do. Yeah, we do. We've seen it. We've seen it. Yeah. All right. Kevin and Rebecca, thank you so much. And we hope you sleep well tonight. Thank you, Mike and Ian. Take care. All right. Bye, everybody.

25:51Bye-bye. Bye. Well, that does it for this week's show. What'd you learn, Ian? Well, I'll say this. You know, in Gmail, when you're sending somebody an email and it suggests, the AI suggests some possible responses? when we got all this video of Kevin and Rebecca, two strangers sleeping. Yeah. The first suggested response from, I guess, Google Gemini to me was to reply to them, so cute. What did you respond to them with? I didn't. I don't know if the four of us, you and me and Kevin and Rebecca, can ever speak to each other again after the things we've seen. Do you think, would you feel comfortable now watching Rebecca and Kevin sleep?

26:42Do you think we could fit in there, Willy Wonka style, the four of us? It's a big bed. It's a big bed. As they both said, while they love each other very much, they left a lot of room in between them. I love that we'd be in between them in this fantasy. It's not exactly the layout I had in mind. I just love that you had a layout in mind.