Cost of Driving Crisis?

17 Mar 2026 · 53 min · 24 chapters

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Wake Up to Money: Episode Summary - Cost of Driving Crisis?

Episode Overview In this episode of Wake Up to Money, host Sean Farrington discusses the rising costs associated with road maintenance, particularly potholes in England and Wales, which have reached an estimated £18.6 billion. The episode also touches on the impact of current global conflicts on personal finance and business sectors, particularly in relation to heating oil prices and changes in office attire as society shifts post-pandemic.

Key Topics Covered

  1. Pothole Crisis
  2. Financial Impact: The cost of repairing potholes has skyrocketed to £18.6 billion across local roads in England and Wales, with only 51% of roads reported to be in good condition.
  3. Personal Experiences: Listeners are encouraged to share their experiences with road conditions. A mechanic, Louise Baker, discusses how poor road conditions lead to increased vehicle damage, with many customers unaware that their car repairs are often caused by potholes.
  4. Example: A regular customer faced a bill for nearly £500 due to damage from a pothole, significantly higher than expected maintenance costs.
  1. Global Conflicts and Economic Impacts
  2. Iran Conflict: The ongoing US-Israel war with Iran is affecting oil prices, which in turn impacts heating oil costs for consumers in the UK.
  3. Rising Heating Oil Costs: Darren Morris Spruce shares the challenges faced by households relying on heating oil, mentioning drastic price increases from previous years.
  4. Support Measures: The UK government announced a £53 million support package for vulnerable households affected by rising heating oil costs.
  1. Office Attire Trends
  2. Return of Suits and Ties: Retailer John Lewis reports increased sales of suits and ties as businesses push for a return to office attire post-COVID.
  3. Changing Attitudes: Guests discuss the shift towards smarter office wear, with many reflecting on a more polished appearance returning to workplaces.
  4. Style Evolution: The episode discusses how suits are worn more casually now, influenced by celebrity culture, and how tailored suits are becoming more popular among younger demographics.

Key Insights

  • Personal Finance and Local Economy: There is a direct correlation between local infrastructure issues and personal financial burdens on citizens, highlighting the need for investment in public services.
  • Consumer Behavior: The rise in suit sales suggests a cultural shift back to a more formal work environment, influenced by societal norms and celebrity endorsements.
  • Geopolitical Influence on Economy: Ongoing conflicts can have ripple effects on everyday expenses, showing the interconnectedness of global politics and local economies.

Conclusion The episode of Wake Up to Money highlights pressing economic issues and personal finance challenges brought on by infrastructure failures and global events. As society adapts back to office norms, the episode encourages listeners to engage in discussions around their experiences and observations related to these themes.

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Potholes and Costs on Local Roads

1:19 to 2:14

Discussing the record rise in pothole costs in England and Wales.

“The estimated cost on local roads has risen to a record£18.6 billion across England and Wales.”

Impact of Current Events on Business Attire

2:14 to 3:20

Examining how the return to office impacts dress codes and attire choices.

“Would like your thoughts on all we are discussing this morning, whether it's the potholes that you might have on your roads to the attire that you're considering as you go into work, wherever it might be.”

Interview with Damini Sharma

3:20 to 4:33

Conversation with Damini about changes in professional attire post-Covid.

“Got Damini Sharma with me this morning, a chief executive and co-founder of the OM Group.”

Dress Codes and Commuting in Business

4:33 to 5:52

Discussing the logistics of dress codes and commuting in the business world.

“because we do quite a lot of leadership and management training as well.”

The Impact of Middle East Conflicts on Business

5:52 to 8:14

Exploring how conflicts in the Middle East affect various business sectors.

“But I mean, what's interesting about that is it's a logistics problem.”

Supply Chain Disruptions Due to War

8:14 to 10:21

Analyzing the supply chain and commodity market disruptions caused by war.

“to continue to travel in the future, people having those conversations about having those meetings in the Middle East at all, detecting any change in approach there?”

The Global Consequences of Middle East Tensions

10:21 to 14:00

Understanding the broader implications of Middle East tensions on global markets.

“Are you now that we're sort of a couple of weeks or so into this war, are you starting to see that trickle down into directly having an impact onto supply chains, as Darmine describes?”

Impact of Global Disruptions on Supply Chains

14:00 to 14:50

Learn about the potential disruptions in global supply chains caused by current geopolitical tensions.

“And anything that's coming from the Far East that might go through that part of the world is now going to be disrupted, is now going to be delayed or indeed not reaching us.”

Geopolitical Tensions and Oil Transportation

14:50 to 16:10

Discuss the implications of the Strait of Hormuz on oil transportation and global economies.

“85058, if you have questions for Simon or any of our guests this morning, this is why we're getting folks on on a daily basis who know this stuff in depth and have followed it for a long time.”

Assessing Trump's Middle East Strategy

16:10 to 17:35

Analyze the effectiveness and implications of Trump's approach to the Middle East.

“It's not right now, and that's the problem.”
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Market Reactions and Future Predictions

17:35 to 18:50

Explore how businesses might react to ongoing geopolitical tensions and potential profit warnings.

“and the most obvious one would be the closure of the Strait of Hormuz, which really does prompt the question of what was the plan?”

Construction Industry Perspectives

18:50 to 21:30

Gain insights into how the construction industry is affected by geopolitical uncertainties and investment changes.

“And the market's been kind of freezing, hoping, I think, that it all comes back.”

Heating Oil Customer Experience Amid Price Surges

21:30 to 25:00

Hear a customer's perspective on the rapid increase in heating oil prices and its implications.

“85058, do let us know your thoughts on this.”

Government Support for Heating Oil Users

25:00 to 27:20

Discuss the expectations for government support regarding heating oil amid rising prices.

“It's not like standard gas and electric that you get to your home where you use it and then you pay a month behind or however you pay.”

Human Impact of Geopolitical Conflicts

27:20 to 28:00

Understand the human implications of geopolitical conflicts, focusing on various affected populations.

“coming days as you're trying to find a deal somewhere and see the price come to a point where you're sort of willing to engage and top up at that point we'll have to see how that goes for you.”

Impact of Middle Eastern Conflicts on People

28:00 to 29:54

Learn how ongoing conflicts in the Middle East affect lives globally, including in the UK.

“the Middle East in years gone by have been done?”

Public Sentiment on Heating Oil and Energy

29:54 to 30:29

Explore public opinions on government support for heating oil amid rising costs.

“Simon Mabon there from Lancaster University, Professor of International Politics.”

Trends in Suit Sales and Consumer Behavior

33:10 to 34:38

Discuss the rise in suit sales and changing fashion choices post-pandemic.

“Thank you for all of your messages about the world of suits.”

The Future of UK Tech and Quantum Computing

34:38 to 36:36

Delve into the UK’s plans for growth in tech, focusing on quantum computing.

“We're having a look at the world of tech.”

The Pothole Crisis and Its Effects

36:36 to 42:00

Examine the rising costs and damages caused by potholes on UK roads.

“So that was Rachel Reeves there, who was speaking to Faisal Islam.”

The State of Roads and Vehicle Safety

42:00 to 46:49

Discover how poor road conditions impact vehicle safety and costs.

“Womanic, am I getting that right Louise?”

Social Media Trial and Its Implications

46:54 to 48:28

Learn about the ongoing social media trial and its potential impact.

“Right, the US social media trial that has been going on.”

NCP Administration: A Broader Concern

48:29 to 50:08

Explore the challenges faced by the car park industry and its implications.

“That would be an intriguing one to stick with.”

Fashion Trends in Tailoring and Suits

50:09 to 51:49

Understand the evolving trends in men's tailoring and suit choices.

“They can go to the shareholders and such like.”
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1:15Wake Up To Money from BBC5 Live. Hello, welcome to Wake Up To Money. We're getting into potholes today. The estimated cost on local roads has risen to a record£18.6 billion across England and Wales. Let us know your tales and we'll get into how that can be resolved. Meanwhile, entering the 18th day of the US-Israel war with Iran. I was not happy with the UK. President Trump saying that yesterday, Prime Minister Keir Starmer said he refused to be drawn into a wider war in the Middle East. here in the UK. We're going to hear how kerosene prices driven up by the conflict are affecting people who use heating oil to warm their homes.

1:59And we're told the suit is back. John Lewis seeing a significant growth in sales of suits and tyres as businesses continue to push for a return to the office post-Covid. Do these suits match up to how they used to? Wake up to money with Sean Farrington. Good morning to you. Wake up to money on BBC Five Live. Would like your thoughts on all we are discussing this morning, whether it's the potholes that you might have on your roads to the attire that you're considering as you go into work, wherever it might be. We know here on Wake Up To Money that not every workplace is suitable for a suit. But if you have that option, is that something you've been contemplating?

2:43Or have you noticed more people around the workplace wearing suits, putting on a tie, perhaps a little more frequently than they once were if John Lewis is seeing an increase in sales and the likes of Harry Styles is making them cool again. Does that all add up to the offices around the country having a few more ties in them than they did before? 85058, just generally, is the office wear becoming a little bit smarter again? Men, women, all get in touch. Please do. Let us know what the mood is like as you get ready for work on the 17th of March. It is just after five o 'clock. Happy St Patrick's Day.

3:22Got Damini Sharma with me this morning, a chief executive and co-founder of the OM Group. It's a consultancy and training provider for the construction industry based in Coventry. Damini, good morning. Morning, Sean. How are you? I'm OK. Thank you. As you have your top tier meetings, have there been any signs as people have moved more perhaps away from the working from home peaks that we had just after covid to being a little more smarter more shoes instead of trainers are you spotting any of that well yeah definitely um certainly in our london office um and i'm looking at harry styles dress code code and dress sense and i'm thinking gosh i'm missing out You need to get it sorted.

4:05Is it anything that ever comes up? Do you notice at all? When you're a training provider, that perhaps is a little bit more office building based at times than it might be people who are just going onto a site every single day. So you might get a little bit of a mix of both sides of the industry there. Do you detect any sense of dress change of late? Yeah, I think there is, you know, thinking about it, because we do quite a lot of leadership and management training as well. So we've got that mix with site-based training in the construction sector, as well as the kind of boardroom office style training.

4:45And actually, you're right, Sean, there is an uptick in people wearing smarter clothes now. Very interesting. Gervais Williams, Chair of Equities at Premier Mighton. Ever seen in a pair of trainers in the city, Gervais? Are you on a Friday, perhaps? No, actually, I haven't actually. What I do tend to use, though, because I do a lot of walking, I walk to work, for example, most days if I can. It's an hour's walk. I use what are shoes which look like leather on the top, but actually they've got lots of plastic soles and they're just like trainers underneath. Interesting. So that's what I do to get away with both.

5:16I might have to tap you up for where you're shopping there, Gervais, because that is the kind of thing, isn't it, where you're trying to be a bit more active around work. People aren't working from home. It was one of the reasons, you know, before it was fashionable to not wear suits, people were wearing trainers to get into work. I remember, you know, many, many, many years ago when I worked in the city, that was a thing where you'd have your trainers for the commute and then you get your shoes out your bag and you put them on during the day. And then it became a little bit more. If you wander around your face, you would see plenty of smartly dressed people in suits with a pair of trainers instead of a pair of shoes, wouldn't you?

5:53Well, you would. But I mean, what's interesting about that is it's a logistics problem. You know, you kind of arrive at work, you change to your work shoes, whatever they happen to be, and then you actually finish your day in someone else's office. You do go back to your own office and change back to your shoes. So the great advantage of having sort of trainers underneath and sort of leather on top is that actually you don't need to worry about that. The hybrid is like a superhero going into work every day, which is I'm sure how people at Premier Martin view you, Gervais. Is there dress codes, things like that at all for certain meetings, certain events?

6:23You know, obviously smart, casual, but most particularly if we're meeting clients, of course, you must be dressed, you know, more appropriately. Eyes, suits, ties, that kind of thing. Yeah, gotcha. Oh, we've already had messages coming in on the suit. Somebody's been at various conferences. We'll get into that. Thank you, Nathan, for that message. 85058. If you have decided yourself, maybe you're going to be a little bit smarter for the workplace than perhaps you've been for a few years. Dominique, elsewhere in the world of business, how have things been in the last couple of weeks when we've talked about interest rates impacting the construction industry and house building industry to just general business confidence, cost of suppliers because of what's going on in the Middle East?

7:06Have you spotted any changes? Well, to be honest, I think that we, businesses, were starting to feel a little bit more stable. We were starting to get a little bit more understanding around this is what to expect this is what's going to happen um with the budget announcement everything else and then we've had the war on the run so it's kind of thrown things a little bit back into a tailspin and there's a lot of uncertainty again a lot of um you know kind of questions around what's going to happen how long is this going to go on and not to to mention the fact that a lot of um construction business also takes place in the middle east and a lot of businesses in the UK and a lot of business owners and people in the UK also have connections and networks and links into the Middle East as well.

7:50So sort of exporting services to the Middle East one way or another. Yeah, yeah. And as well as people that are based out there or people that are out there for meetings, them flying back, we do quite a lot of business in the Middle East and a lot of my contacts do. So I've had people stuck in the Middle East from various companies and contacts and clients. And, yeah, it's just been a little bit of a topsy-turvy few weeks. And what have you seen happening there in terms of people's confidence to travel, to continue to travel in the future, people having those conversations about having those meetings in the Middle East at all, detecting any change in approach there?

8:30Yeah, quite a lot, to be honest, Sean. I mean, we're launching in the Middle East in the next quarter, and that's a little bit difficult now to kind of plan for because we don't know how long this is going to go on. We didn't necessarily realise the impact this war would have and how much it has impacted the Middle East and what does that mean for the future plans of business and how safe it is out there. Where in the Middle East were your plans or are your plans? The UAE. Right. And, you know, we've heard, so obviously it can be a little bit difficult hearing, getting the exact story when we've spoken to people from Dubai, for example, on Wake Up To Money, where, you know, there seems to be, there are some limitations on, you know, how critical people can be on social media and whatnot about the government in Dubai at this moment in time.

9:26But when you start to actually see the behaviour changes of people, Dominic, does it give you an impression that there is going to be something that lingers longer here about that has changed perhaps for the likes of Dubai? Do you know, it's starting to filter through. People are starting to talk about it not being as safe as it used to be, it not being a place that they thought it was. I'm not sure that's necessary to do so much with the government from the conversations that we're having. but just generally the level of safety that they thought that it was. And obviously with everything that's gone on as well, we've had major supply chain disruptions as well.

10:05So with the shipping disruptions and the transportation and production costs, that's obviously caused delays across the industry. Not so much directly with some of our clients, but it's filtering through now and we're starting to hear that from the supply chain and from subcontractors that our clients work with as well. Gervais many will be following this story the the consequences not so much the the politics of the Middle East right now we're going to get into that in a moment but those consequences on global commodity markets and energy markets and all the products that are made and produced in the Middle East that are crucial for the world and be reminded of some of the conversations and the consequences people saw in their household costs as Russia made its full invasion into Ukraine and the energy price spike that we saw there.

10:55Are you now that we're sort of a couple of weeks or so into this war, are you starting to see that trickle down into directly having an impact onto supply chains, as Darmine describes? Are you seeing that on a wider basis? certainly we are i mean clearly the oil price itself is a kind of proxy for all the different derivatives that come from oil so whilst the oil price might be something up like 69 percent in terms since the war well since the start of the year you know we've got not just petrol and diesel but you've got all the things like methanol and napfer and jet fuel fertilizer all of those things and in many cases actually the stockpiles of those sort of part finished product supply are actually much shorter than the oil price.

11:40Whilst we can release oil from the oil stockpiles, there's going to be real critical. So I'm particularly worried about NAPSA, for example. I think there's quite a growing shortage of NAPSA at the moment, you know, tens of days rather than tens of weeks. And that may mean that actually suddenly we find that it's harder to get all sorts of products which are made of plastic. Now, I'm not just talking about, you know, plastic bottles for drinks or something, but, you know, for car supplies, perhaps for hospitals. Of course, a lot of that is wrapped in plastic, one used plastic. So we don't know quite how, but the longer this thing goes on, the more of these kinds of things could turn out to be something which really works, you know, surprises us in terms of the shortages.

12:18We've got Simon Mabon with us as well, who's Professor of International Politics at Lancaster University with a specialism in Middle East Studies and International Relations. Simon, thank you for your time this morning. Morning. Good morning. Do you get more questions from the world of business coming your way when things like this escalate? Just in recent weeks, we've heard bosses coming on this programme who run small businesses who are now having to find themselves making a judgement on how long this war might be because they've got either an energy deal to be fixed or some borrowing to consider and interest rates to take into account.

12:58Do questions come your way from the world of business increasingly? Yeah, they do. And I think more business and economic-related questions come my way from people who wouldn't normally be asking those types of questions, which points to the increasingly connected nature of what we're seeing in the Middle East and the wider world, the conflict impacting on people in all walks of life and businesses of great and small. So, yeah, it really has become more central in people's mindsets and the types of questions that I'm getting asked. So what way is it becoming more connected? Well, there was an allusion to supply chains earlier on with regard to, obviously, the huge logistical flows that go through the Persian Gulf, that go through the Strait of Hormuz, or indeed don't go through the Strait of Hormuz at present.

13:48And that's having a direct and a sort of indirect impact on all manner of things that are being shipped through these super ports like Jabal Ali in the UAE or others around the area, for example. And anything that's coming from the Far East that might go through that part of the world is now going to be disrupted, is now going to be delayed or indeed not reaching us. So we don't quite know exactly how many different types of things are going to be adversely affected by what is happening. And then, of course, we've got the petrol, gas, and all the derivatives that were just mentioned by your other guest.

14:32And we're seeing that at the petrol pump. We're seeing the huge increase in prices in just two weeks or so. So I think there are the direct and the indirect consequences here. the indirect consequences are potentially far, far worse. And we'll see those play out in the coming weeks and months, I fear, if this continues to drag on. 85058, if you have questions for Simon or any of our guests this morning, this is why we're getting folks on on a daily basis who know this stuff in depth and have followed it for a long time. But let's just go through a few of the latest moves this morning, the things that we've seen occur since we were chatting on Wake Up To Money this time yesterday.

15:11So the latest we're waking up to is drones and rockets being launched at the US embassy in Iraq's capital, Baghdad. That's been described as the most intense assault since the attacks started. Meanwhile, the UK has joined Canada, France, Germany and Italy in warning a protracted conflict must be avoided. President Trump has again criticised the British government's response to the war in Iran, saying he'd previously considered the UK the Rolls-Royce of allies. Mr Trump has called for other nations to help reopen the Strait of Hormuz. We strongly encourage other nations whose economies depend on the strait for blood.

15:50I mean, you know, these people literally need it. 90, 95 % of their energy or their oil comes out of the strait and they should be in here very happily helping us. So, Simon, when you talk about the interconnectedness and people now will be very familiar with this Strait of Hormuz, this crucial passageway for a fifth of the world's oil and gas, for example, needing to pass through there. It's not right now, and that's the problem. That interconnectedness, has it been misjudged by the United States? So when we hear the way Donald Trump has been talking in the last 24 hours or so, he clearly can't get the people on board, his allies on board with it, with what he wants, compared to maybe what his plans were?

16:37Well, part of the problem is we don't know exactly what his plans were. We don't know how long he was envisaging this conflict to go on for. And there have been real mixed messages coming out of the Trump administration as to the success of the military operation, as to what the longer term plans were for this conflict, whether it was to be some type of immediate decapitation style attack that would precipitate the fall of the Islamic Republic or whether it was going to be something far more drawn out, something far more protracted. And if it was the latter, then the expectation would have been that Donald Trump would or should have been aware that the closure of the Strait of Hormuz would be Iran's strategic step, the most obvious strategic step that it could take to put pressure on the global economy and to put pressure on the United States.

17:26because there is a huge asymmetry in terms of military power between the US and Israel, for that matter, and the Islamic Republic of Iran. So Iran had to engage in asymmetric tactics, and the most obvious one would be the closure of the Strait of Hormuz, which really does prompt the question of what was the plan? Why wasn't this thought of? Why wasn't this thought through? and why wasn't it envisaged that this was a very likely probability that the strait would have been closed if this war dragged on longer than a week or so? And that's exactly what we saw. Gervais, have investors changed their view at all about what might happen with businesses around the world, with economies around the world, because of Donald Trump's approach in the Middle East?

18:16Not yet. you know it to some extent it's weeks at the moment so uh the and if it was to close you know if this was to the war was to stop fairly soon then it wouldn't be back to normal but there would be uh much the effects wouldn't be great the the thing which will start moving in markets and and share prices a lot is when companies start to have profit warnings and i think there is the longer this goes on there are going to be more and more profit warnings not just from chemical companies but all sorts of logistic companies, all sorts of other suppliers which use one product or another. So that hasn't happened yet.

18:50And the market's been kind of freezing, hoping, I think, that it all comes back. But there's room for all sorts of outcomes, a very wide range of outcomes. It could be fine, but it could be not fine at all. Dominic, do you feel in your construction industry that you're closer to some of those moments that Gervais is describing there of profit warnings and complete changing in expectations of how the year's going to go. Yeah, to be honest, it's a real shame because we've wanted a, well, you know, I mean, we're talking about this in business terms, aren't we? But war is not about business terms.

19:26It's about human life and, you know, what's going on out there. But impact on business is that, you know, we wanted a period of stability and actually the war has added to that uncertainty and that unpredictability, not just in the cost of oil and the cost of supply chain materials, but also investment. Projects will pause. You know, there's always that piece where investors hate the unpredictability. And what's happening out there in the Middle East is going to increase the geopolitical risk, which in turn is going to have knock-on effects on investment and projects and starts and, you know, confidence in project starts as well.

20:07And do you think that some of that hitting confidence will come from the Middle East? We talked so much more in recent years about investment coming from those sovereign wealth funds in the Middle East, the likes of the UAE. Is that an increased risk now that there might not be that flow of investment from there into the UK that there has been? Well, the government have done such a good job pushing out a lot of the investment that we already have here in the UK. that we're relying on external investment to continue the projects that we've got ongoing. So, yes, it's a very, very valid risk. There is a lot of investment into construction projects from the Middle East.

20:50I'm not certain that it's necessarily impacted it with huge amounts at the moment because this is quite early days. But if this continues and starts to look like what it is, like a medium term war or even a long term war, then yes, there's going to be a lot, lot lower confidence, a lot less confidence rather, which is going to lead to a lot less project starts, a lot less confidence in the market, a lot less investment available. And it's going to make it really difficult for projects to hold their fixed prices as well as start up with valid prices they can move forward with. 85058, do let us know your thoughts on this.

21:34We're going to bring in Darren Morris Spruce now, who lives in Stoke Row, a village in South Oxfordshire, and he is one of those heating oil customers that will have seen those price movements very, very quickly as the oil price moved very quickly at the start of this war. Darren, good morning to you. Morning. Just before we get into what support may be on the way, if you can, just share with us, for those that don't have a home that runs on heating oil, What is the setup you've got there? How often are you buying heating oil and how much of it? Yeah, so you've got a tank. Our tank holds 1 ,000 litres, so we fill up maybe twice a year.

22:19And that heats your home and gives you hot water. The tank's normally – our tank is in our garden, so it's a necessity. yes very much is a necessity when it comes down to water and heating so can it be Darren that there'll be maybe some households that are just topped up and so actually for six months they won't need to be making a purchase but actually if you're starting to run a little lower around this time of year is it a common time of year to run a little lower yeah generally because you would I mean most people would be probably like myself where we would fill up before the winter and then, because the prices do go up over the winter period, obviously, because there's more cool for the heat to northern than summer.

23:11So kind of this time of year, March, April, is generally when we would refill the tank as then you go through the summer months. So most people, I would think, would do the same, similar thing. And how have you noticed the price change? What sort of purchase have you been looking to make that has moved considerably? Well, I was looking to get 1 ,000 litres. Until yesterday, actually, I couldn't get any at all. Right. Even order any. So the area I'm in, apart from being offered boxes of kerosene that could be sent to us in 20-litre boxes that we would have to fill up the tank ourselves, but the cost was astronomical.

23:57recall it was like 240 pounds for 100 liters so normally um a thousand liters last time i did it was about four just under 500 pounds and this time it was about 1700 and ordinarily would it be you know a big truck sort of pulling up and glugging a load into the tanker and run the they run a pipe through the guard into the tank um so say yesterday was the first day i could even get a price and And it's a comparison site that we use. And they check, I don't know, a couple of hundred suppliers. So I was quite shocked that even in, you know, Oxfordshire, we couldn't even get any oil. Are you going to pay it?

24:40No. So how much have you got left? What's the, you know, because it becomes a bit of a countdown clock, I suspect. Well, yeah, I mean, we've got a couple, I think we've probably got 100 litres of oil in the tank left. So the heating has gone off. we've got electric heater um and we'll just have to use it sparingly i mean i've most people i know would put money aside which is what we do through the year but even having that aside that would normally more than cover what we would want to order but having to suddenly find an additional thousand twelve hundred pounds because of course with the oil you've got to pay for it before you get it.

25:19It's not like standard gas and electric that you get to your home where you use it and then you pay a month behind or however you pay. You don't get oil unless you pay for it. So when we hear the confirmation yesterday from the Prime Minister that there's going to be£53 million support package for vulnerable households, are you expecting any sort of support to come your way is there anything any different from the price peaks we saw within the russia ukraine war no i i don't think we'll get i mean rightly say people that are vulnerable and on low income should should be looked after but it's really the middle income areas i mean say my our tank is only a thousand liters some properties in my village have got two or three tanks because the houses are much bigger so you know they're looking at maybe two three four thousand pounds for the tank up.

26:12Are you detecting in your community Darren people starting to move away from this somehow trying trying to find the cash for an investment that can move them more towards a more electric household? I mean some some people have got LPG gas here there's probably about a couple of hundred homes in the village some people have got heat source pumps but they're not within the reach of a lot of people. Cost-wise? Yeah. I mean, I've looked and there's several, you know, there are thousands. So it's just unfortunate. I mean, up until now, four years ago when we had the Ukraine war started, we had a peak then.

26:55So I'm just kind of a bit bemused as to why our particular sort of energy, and it's one point, I think there's just under 2 million homes in the UK, it's just not regulated so I mean if I had an eastern oil company and I wanted to charge £2 a litre plus why no one's going to stop me Well look Darren good luck in those coming days as you're trying to find a deal somewhere and see the price come to a point where you're sort of willing to engage and top up at that point we'll have to see how that goes for you. Darren Morris Spruce who's from Stoke Row in South Oxfordshire. Simon, just listening to that and you talk about the interconnectedness of everything increasing now and people being more aware of, as we discussed, the Strait of Hormuz than they would have been before.

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27:48Is this going to change, do you think? As somebody who is a professor of international politics, will this change how this war progresses in a different way to how maybe other American movements into the Middle East in years gone by have been done? Well, potentially. And I think I just need to stress that your earlier guest pointed out that this is fundamentally about people. This is about the people in Iran, of course, who are suffering enduring hardships. People in Israel, people across the Gulf, people in Lebanon, for that matter, and now people in the UK. This is fundamentally affecting people's lives in so many different ways.

28:28So I just wanted to really hammer home that point. I think this is really fundamentally about the impact on people. And I think with regard to your question, there's a really interesting set of things happening with regard to the UK's relationship with the US here. And I think in previous US military interventions, military conflicts in the Middle East, the UK would be side by side with the United States. And what we're starting to see with Sakia Starmer right now is a divergence from Washington in the face of some quite strong rhetoric and rhetorical rebukes from Donald Trump about Rolls Royces and allies and the like.

29:12But I think the UK is trying to distance itself from this intervention in the hope that it can try and de-escalate things. And that by not sending further ships or indeed troops or planes for that matter to the region, it would hopefully contribute to shifting the atmosphere slightly away from a global sort of coalition against Iran. of the sort that we saw in 2003 against Iraq or 2001 against Afghanistan, for that matter. And I think that's maybe one of the shifts that we're starting to see here in the hope that it could try and bring about an end to this. Simon, appreciate your time this morning.

29:55Simon Mabon there from Lancaster University, Professor of International Politics. More to come from Darmony and Gervais and yourselves as well. Keep those messages coming. Starmer has insulted all home heating oil users, says one person who's messaged us. By offering us£30 help, 500 litres cost almost£1 ,000. We can't afford heating now. Another saying, your man in Oxford, as we were speaking to Darren a little bit earlier about his heating oil situation, one has to pay up for green energy security. We removed oil four years ago. We're run on solar. People want an ASHP, a heat pump, I'm guessing that is.

30:32People want solutions without paying and don't care about the environmental impacts of fuel oil. pay up and a few getting in touch with a similar tone to brendan uh who's been in touch in newark saying the uk needs to be more independent we have our own natural oil gas coal and potential for fracking i know this can take years many years to implement and re-implement but surely the uk could negotiate a forward deal with norway now for oil and repay norway when the uk stocks come into fruition and dave in birmingham saying it's times like these we realize our lack of self-sufficiency. We need to produce more at home.

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33:03Wake Up To Money with Sean Farrington. Good morning. Wake Up To Money on BBC Five Live. Thank you for all of your messages about the world of suits. We're going to be talking about John Lewis a little later, seeing increased interest and purchases in suits and in ties as well. Let me know your thinking there. Somebody's been in touch saying, Ben in Woking says, I'm a teacher at an independent school. We're required to wear a shirt and tie. I've bought five suits from Vinted for the cost of one or two new ones. All are top end, M &S, TM Loon, et cetera. None cost more than 30 pounds. Why buy new from a shop?

33:43Ben, that is great work. Well done. Well done just finding one that fits as well. Be honest, Ben. Is there a little bit of a compromise you're having to make there with one bought secondhand a little bit and you're looking at prices as well as you go? Are you willing to have that slightly longer arm or little baggier shoulders than you would if you were spending ages traipsing the high street to try and find one off the shelf that fit pretty well? I'm interested in that process as well as we talk more about suits later. A bit of a shout out for Will's chat with Mark Neill, founder and chief executive of Mountain Warehouse, the outdoor clothing company.

34:20If you missed it, go and have a listen. It's a big boss interview on BBC Sounds. Great interview where Mark Neill talking about the disruption to global shipping routes, already pushing up costs for businesses importing goods from Asia and that tariff volatility complicating business planning as well. here today on Wake Up To Money. We're having a look at the world of tech. The Chancellor, Rachel Reeves, is going to declare a little bit later what she believes are three key avenues for growth. She's giving what's known as the Mace Lecture in the City of London today. She's going to announce an additional billion pounds in funding for quantum computing.

34:56This is a new type of way of doing computing altogether that we've discussed on Wake Up To Money in the past where it can be that these new quantum computers, once they're fully up and running, can have gazillions times the power of even the world's biggest supercomputers that we have at the moment that are running the old school way of doing computing. And the UK is attempting to be clearly one of the leaders with this, particularly when we hear the words of the likes of Rachel Reeves, plans for stronger alignment with the EU, two regional growth corridors, as well as headlines in the papers today about the Oxford-Cambridge corridor and Rachel Reeves wanting to do more to get planning approved on the links between it.

35:44The BBC's economics editor Faisal Inslam has been speaking to the Chancellor at the National Quantum Computing Centre in Oxfordshire. He asked her about UK tech firms moving to the United States. We want that pattern to end and we want what we are producing in our amazing universities around the UK to actually stay in the UK, to keep that intellectual property in the UK, to keep those jobs here, because we know that if you can do that, then you can create more and more jobs here. And in the next few years, there's an opportunity to create around 100 ,000 jobs just in quantum, but that can only happen if we keep those businesses here.

36:22And that is why I so believe in an active and strategic state, working with businesses, working with universities, working with working people to shape the economy, not just let the market determine our future. So that was Rachel Reeves there, who was speaking to Faisal Islam. Dominique, tech advances, whether it's quantum computing leading in AI, we hear these words from the government quite a lot. Do you see it? You know, you're a training provider. Many businesses will be looking to use the latest in technology. Are we leading the way? do you know what that's such a difficult question it's such a broad question as well sean because basically i think that in many cases the uk is positioned really well to lead the way but the problem we've got here right now in the uk is not our access to ai and tech um i think it's how can we deploy ai and tech it's great having access to the funding it's great having access to the ideas and the thought processes and access to quantum computing and systems like that.

37:30But what we've really got here is a fundamental contradiction. We're accelerating the AI adoption, but we're weakening the management and skills infrastructure that we need to deliver it. There was an announcement yesterday where the government had defunded a lot of management qualifications, and that's going to impact SMEs. SMEs employ around 60 % of the UK workforce and account for 99 % of all UK businesses. So we're the people that are going to be deploying AI, yet the managers and people that we want to train that can actually take that AI deployment forward are not going to have access to the skills and the training qualifications to help them deploy that AI.

38:11It just doesn't link up. So for all the talk, it might not have the ripple effect of being actually implemented. I mean, Gervais, that means getting to the crux of one of the concerns here when people talk about the valuations of these massive tech companies. And we hear announcements of billions of pounds invested here, there and everywhere. Is this actually going to reap some rewards for the economy? If you take the kind of long term trends which are related to globalization, globalization has all been about bigness. you know, big companies, big stock markets like the US and all the rest of it.

38:50One of the features about nationalism, which is becoming more predominant in the political sphere, is that this is breaking up all that bigness. And actually, the UK excels relative to other global economies in having a much more vibrant and much more wide-ranging universe of small quota companies, and indeed many SMEs, as we just heard from Darmony. So actually, we've got the right foundations here. We really need to actually build upon smallness going forward. Yes, I absolutely agree that quantum computing is just extraordinary. It's only used in a narrow range of applications. You can't replace NVIDIA chips with quantum computing.

39:24But the opportunity is for us actually to work with our smallness, which is, I think, the feature which is going to be most favourably helped by binationalism, and actually lead the world actually in this area. Back to suits. Nathan in Aberdeen's been in touch. I believe the suit uprise is because events have opened up again. I never wear a suit to the office, but I was at the Air Charter Association Spring Lunch and the BBGA annual conference last week. What a life, Nathan. I wore a suit to both days, as did every other man there. I'm interested, women wearing more suits, is that the way that's going?

39:59Darmony is, I know when we talk about suits and ties, the instinct is to think, right, this is blokes changing how they go to work and view the smartness levels that are required. Is it the same story for women? Well, to be honest, I found myself wearing smart blazers a lot more recently and heels, so I think it is moving into that field. And whilst we've been talking, I've just been doing a little bit of online browsing for women's suits. So, yeah, I think there's definitely a lot more – there's more styles leaning towards that trend. So it's interesting. I'm really liking some of these styles with ties as well for women.

40:42Ben will be thinking, he got in touch saying he's buying up his suits. I'm thinking, why did I say that out loud? All of a sudden now there's a bit more competition on these sites for this kind of stuff. Ben's actually been back in touch as well. He says when he's talking about buying these things online, I was curious, do they fit or not? He says, I have a good seamstress. £10 to take trousers up an inch on one pair. Still more than worth it. But generally, if you're patient, the right size will come along. 8.5058, we'll be talking about that growth in suit sales, interest in tyres as well, more towards the end of the show.

41:17Let's talk potholes now. The estimated cost of bringing pothole-plagued local roads in England and Wales up to scratch has risen to£18.6 billion according to the Asphalt Industry Alliance. They've branded the situation a national disgrace. It found only 51 % of the local road network is reported to be in good condition. we know many of you are drivers heading about whether it's on your commute actually driving a vehicle is the day job we'd like to hear from you this morning how the roads are impacting your journeys, your life, what it means, the state of the vehicles has the bad state of them led to any costly damage Louise Baker is a mechanic who runs the Birmingham based Womanic, am I getting that right Louise?

42:02The word jumped out at me, Womanic, Womanic? How do we pronounce it? You got it, womanik. Great. It's a car garage anyway. You've been in the industry 20 plus years. That is why we've got you on the show. So, Louise, I'm sure a pothole moan is not uncommon to you, but the trend, the change, have you seen any improvements? I've seen no improvements and people are just getting, the bills that people are getting and people are coming to me for like just normal basic car servicing, just an annual service, and I end up finding broken coil springs, track rod ends hanging off. It's really bad. And they're all oblivious as to what's causing them.

42:41They just think it's wear and tear, but this is not wear and tear. Really? So does that change at all how people view their car and how they look after it if they're getting these problems that they think is wear and tear, but it's the state of the roads? It is just the state of the road. I think they just need educating. I mean, yesterday was a classic example. I had one of my regular customers in. She was in for just a routine interim service. And when I got out on the ramp, I mean, I drove the car and it felt no different. And when I got out on the ramp, the coil spring was literally hanging off.

43:13I mean, that could have blown her tyre out at any point. But she was completely oblivious as to what was going on. It was just in for her service, like I say. If she hadn't have serviced it, then it would have caused an accident. And so how much more did that cost her? Oh, my goodness. It cost her a spring and two tyres. so Bill's gone from like 150, 160 quid to just under£500. And this is one person with a likely impact being from the state of the roads. Absolutely, but I mean more importantly it's her safety as well, she has her kids in her car, yeah, it's more about the safety I think than the money for me.

43:49When you see the asphalt industry calling this a national disgrace, do you feel it's at that level or is this just the nature of things when you've got roads that are that old, it's been ever thus. It is, and it's a disgrace. It is. It's disgusting. The roads are really bad. Any road you go down now has got a massive pothole, not just the small potholes you used to get. These have got massive, massive trenches. Do the cars change at all? Have you seen, when you get them up on the ramp, that actually, right, these car manufacturers are almost having to adapt what they're building to handle these roads?

44:31No, I wouldn't say so. Every car has its issues, every car has its difference. I mean, you know, no, it's not going to make any difference at all. You know, you could hit a small, shallow pothole to a great big bunker. How would you fix it then, given Louise? I mean, I know this is clearly, as it fair to say, it's good for business, is that if there's a, you know, you're having to do a lot more repairs than you were before. But when you talk about that in changing costs for that one customer, and we talk about 18 billion odd pounds is how much the cost would be to bring all the potholes to repair right across the country.

45:10Is there a better way of doing this? Because individuals are spending money as consequences of having these. What do you mean? How should we cover this cost? I'm just thinking if that extra 400 quid from your customer that she spent on a damage from a pothole, it was actually some of that money was just put towards, you know, fixing it in the first place. Is that one way of doing it? Asking drivers to contribute a bit more? No, absolutely not. Don't you think? I think we pay enough. We pay enough for road tax. We pay enough for council tax. I think we pay enough money out. And we have done for years and years and years.

45:47I don't know how they've got so bad. I think it's disgusting. especially when you see all your bin men and stuff sitting around in Tesco car park, you know, not doing anything. You could find more people from the council to go and give them a hand. Do you know what I mean? I think we pay enough money. It should be sorted. Given you see the consequences of potholes, do you change how you drive because of them? I did a three-point turn the other day just to avoid a pothole. That's how big it was. 100%. We should be thinking more about them to try and save ourselves a bit of cash almost as we're going.

46:24Don't think, oh, well, I think I can beat that one. You can't. You can't. Absolutely not. You're not going to win. Well, Louise, thanks so much. Great to talk to you. Thank you. One day we might be sitting here seeing that number get a bit smaller and you can tell us that you've seen improvements on these cars as they go. Fascinating. With a bit of luck. You never know. Fingers crossed. Have a good day, Louise. Louise Baker, their mechanic who runs the Birmingham-based Womanic car garage. Keep an eye out for that. Right, the US social media trial that has been going on. California jury now deciding whether the Instagram parent Meta and Google's YouTube should be found liable for causing the social media addiction of a 20-year-old California woman.

47:08Our North American technology correspondent Lily Jamali is at the courthouse in Los Angeles awaiting a verdict. The plaintiff who goes by Kaylee to protect her identity alleges that addictive design choices by Meta and YouTube harmed her mental health. She says she started using YouTube at six and Instagram at age nine. Her usage grew and on one particular day, according to her lawyer, she used Instagram for 16 hours. For nearly a month and a half, jurors here at the Los Angeles Superior Court have heard evidence from top executives, including Meta boss Mark Zuckerberg and his deputy, Adam Masseri, who runs Instagram.

47:44During one key moment of testimony, Masseri said 16 hours of usage constituted problematic use, but he did not call it addiction. Meta has argued that Kaylee suffered serious mental health troubles, which began before she started using Instagram. And YouTube has maintained that its product is not a social media platform. Kaylee's is one of several bellwether cases, the first to make it to trial. If jurors side with her, they'll then decide what damages the companies must pay her. The outcome, along with testimony and evidence her attorneys brought forth, could also affect the many trials scheduled to follow hers this year.

48:22Meta and YouTube could also be prompted to make changes to their platforms aimed at making them less enticing to users. That would be an intriguing one to stick with. So stick with us on Wake Up To Money, get subscribing on BBC Sounds, and we'll update you with that as we get the developments of that court case. Gervais, wanted to ask you about NCP making a fair few headlines this morning. The car park operator, of course, probably one of the most visible businesses around the UK. It's gone into administration, more than 600 jobs at risk. What's happened here? People might have thought, the car park industry, surely.

48:57that is one that's always needed yes it's interesting isn't it i think there's two things here first of all that car parking has been affected very much by people move online for online stores of course so that's one of the features even the hospitality industry has seen the cost rise and perhaps people may go to some of the restaurants and things a little less frequently so i think that's the first thing i think the reliability of car parking income hasn't been there as much as people have assumed and that's been put in combination with a business which is highly borrowed. And when you're highly borrowed, you're committed to pay back your borrowing, irrespective of how your customers are coming or not.

49:32And so I think it's a combination of too much debt, actually, in an industry which has turned out to be less resilient. But I think there is a longer term thing to worry about here, which is I think there are a lot of companies which are quite highly borrowed in the UK, private businesses, private equity businesses, those kinds of things. And I think that is, you know, if we get perhaps a longer period of disruption disruption related to the Iranian war and such like, if we do find that, unfortunately, you know, we are short of all sorts of supplies, then actually that's going to lead to a lot more companies potentially going bust.

50:04So I'm kind of worried. One of the advantages of having a stock market is many of these companies actually have the ability to raise capital externally. They can go to the shareholders and such like. So hopefully, even though there may be, you know, some trouble ahead, it may be hopefully with our strong position in the UK stock market, we'll be offsetting that to some degree. 85058, joining our conversation this morning. Blimey, we mentioned potholes. Haven't I've had a fair few messages about that? A litter picker in Keithley saying, I find springs from cars constantly. It's getting worse. Another saying, I'm currently teaching my son to drive.

50:38It's absolutely key now to teach him to drive and avoid clattering through pothole after pothole and try not to damage the car. I cycle a lot too, I can promise you. Our roads have never been this bad. Yeah, if somebody's learned to drive and it's your car, not theirs. I can see why that would be high up the priority list. Another getting in touch saying, Alan says, I'm about to head from Leighton Buzzard to the M1. I'll be taking a 12-mile detour to avoid junction 13 as the route is full of six-inch deep potholes that can't be avoided even at low speed. Proper car killers. He said, 85058, keep those messages coming about suits as well.

51:11Somebody said, my brother bought a suit on Timu. Not good padded shoulders. It ripped on second use. You have to be careful what you're buying, where you're buying, don't you? Eileen in Edinburgh says, I'm sick of sloppy males. Men look better, smartly dressed. Sorry, chaps. The wild and woolly laid back pioneer vibe is old hat. Pete's sake, make an effort. John Lewis has the right idea. But suits, though nice, are expensive. Smart, casual, needn't be and well put together. Looks good. What happened to all those makeover programmes we used to see on the TV? Eileen says, well, Fal Blake is co-founder of Gresham Blake.

51:45A menswear tailor, retailer in Brighton. And Val, have you noticed what John Lewis has said in its numbers, that it's seen significant growth in ties and suits? Good morning, Sean. Yeah, I think that the figures in that article definitely match what we're seeing. But since COVID, I think people, tailoring hasn't really gone away. It's just changed its form. People are wearing tailoring in a softer way. People started wearing, for us as a brand, we found that people are coming to us for suits that they want to wear rather than they've got to wear. Ah, yes. And where are people getting those suits?

52:26Are they bringing their own suits to you or are they getting some off your shelves? Well, we do offer a whole different type of levels of suit offerings. So we have ready-to-wear, we have custom-made ready-to-wear. as well as bespoke tailoring. But what we also love is when somebody brings back a suit that they've had for 10, 20 years plus that we've made for them and then they're coming back to us and they're saying, now can you adjust this for us? Now can you tailor this for us? It still sort of fits. Can you adjust it and make it fit better? Because suits are the ultimate slow fashion as well.

53:10It's not a fast fashion type of a thing. And if it's one you like, there's memories in there as well. Exactly. I think suits and coats actually sort of, this sounds weird, I think they become friends. So when you put them on, they give you that confidence. And they hold and support you. True, you can walk into any meeting if you feel like you're feeling a million dollars. What's changed though, Fah? Why all of a sudden a significant growth being seen? I think... People, I mean, obviously there's a big celebrity push at the moment with the Met Gala last year that made, you know, there was a lot of people that were a lot of really, really cool people we were seeing in some amazing suits.

53:58It's that endorsement and that younger celebrity endorsement right now. I think that's what's changed. There's a lot of young, really cool people wearing suits again that we're seeing. and that's made for us as a business, we're seeing so many more young people come to us for custom-made suits, for off-the-peg suits. And ties with them? And ties, yeah. Ties have always been... Ties, it's not that formal uniform that people want in a tie. It's more like a piece of wearable art. Thank you, Val. We'll have to talk again another time. Val Blake there from Gresham Blake. That's it from Wake Up To Money.

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The cost of fixing potholes in England and Wales has risen to a record £18.6 billion - Sean Farrington hears from a mechanic who's seeing the damage to cars by bad roads.

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