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Podcast Notes: Wanging On with Graham Norton and Maria McErlane
Episode Title
Can You Tell Someone Their Breath Stinks?
Podcast Overview "Wanging On" features Graham Norton and Maria McErlane as they offer humorous advice on everyday dilemmas, ranging from office politics to family disputes. Each week, they share anecdotes from their lives and invite listeners to contribute their own dilemmas.
Episode Summary In this episode, Graham and Maria reflect on their experiences at award shows, explore the sensitivity around discussing personal hygiene (specifically bad breath), and offer advice on navigating social dynamics between mixed friendship groups.
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Key Concepts Discussed
Award Show Memories
- Graham and Maria recap their experiences attending award shows, particularly the Oscars and Emmys.
- They express mixed feelings about the glamour versus the reality of attending such events, highlighting the pressure and awkwardness often felt in social situations.
Main Dilemma
Bad Breath
- A listener, Grace, writes in about her boyfriend's persistent bad breath, which has become a concern in their relationship.
- The duo discusses the potential causes of bad breath, including dental hygiene and underlying health issues like GERD (gastroesophageal reflux disease).
Advice for Grace
- Communication is Key: Graham suggests the importance of discussing hygiene in a relationship, emphasizing that it should be a conversation rather than a confrontation.
- Gentle Approach: Maria proposes a “sneaky” way to address the issue by perhaps booking a dental hygienist appointment and framing it as a mutual health concern.
- Health Check: They recommend that Grace encourages her boyfriend to get checked for possible health issues contributing to the bad breath.
Navigating Friendship Dynamics
- Another dilemma from Veronica discusses the difficulty of merging her friends with her boyfriend's friends, who tend to separate themselves at gatherings.
- Graham and Maria suggest planning smaller, more intimate events to foster connections between the two groups, rather than large parties where people may feel awkward.
Suggestions for Veronica
- Smaller Gatherings: Instead of large parties, organize events that encourage interaction, such as bowling or cooking classes.
- Icebreaker Activities: Use games or activities that require teamwork to help break the ice and promote mingling.
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Key Takeaways
- Addressing Personal Issues: It’s essential to communicate openly in relationships, especially regarding sensitive topics like hygiene.
- Social Integration: Facilitating friendships between different social circles requires effort and creativity to create opportunities for meaningful interaction.
- Humor as a Tool: Graham and Maria’s light-hearted approach to serious issues provides a relatable and entertaining perspective on tackling personal dilemmas.
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Listener Engagement
- Listeners are encouraged to submit their dilemmas via email at wangingon@listen.co.uk.
- The episode underscores the community aspect of the podcast, inviting listeners to contribute and share their insights.
Social Media
- Follow the podcast on Instagram and TikTok: @wangingon.
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Closing Thoughts This episode of "Wanging On" combines humor and practical advice, showcasing the chemistry between Graham and Maria as they navigate various dilemmas while engaging with their audience in a light-hearted manner.
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Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VOReflections on Award Season
1:30 to 2:21
Graham and Maria share their experiences and feelings about awards shows.
“I always thought, wouldn't it be fun to go to the Oscars?”
The Glamour and Reality of Awards Shows
2:22 to 4:14
Discussion about the reality of attending glamorous award shows and the pressures involved.
“Oh, I mean, I didn't get anything myself this year.”
Award Show Experiences and Observations
4:15 to 5:59
Graham and Maria recount their personal award show experiences and observations about fashion criticism.
“stuck in a corner of a, you know, badly shot Instagram video.”
The Reality of Attending Awards
6:00 to 7:20
The hosts discuss the reality of attending award shows, including the ambiance and crowd dynamics.
“His wife had cancelled the subscription to Sky Arts.”
Addressing Bad Breath in Relationships
9:46 to 10:34
Graham and Maria help a listener address her boyfriend's bad breath issue.
“Right, Maria, do you have letter number one, please?”
Understanding Causes of Bad Breath
10:35 to 13:07
Discussion on potential medical causes of bad breath and how to address them.
“But a year is, you know, it's still quite new.”
Suggestions for Addressing Bad Breath
13:08 to 14:00
Graham and Maria provide practical tips for the listener on how to approach the issue.
“And then, in a way, you can say, I think what's causing this is not your teeth.”
Addressing Awkward Smells
14:00 to 16:40
Discover how to broach sensitive topics about personal hygiene in relationships.
“Because something's got to cover that awful smell that comes out of your mouth.”
Navigating Relationship Communication
16:40 to 19:40
Learn effective strategies for discussing personal hygiene with your partner.
“And I bought one, and it just is kind of like a...”
Integrating Friend Groups
21:40 to 26:20
Explore strategies to help your friends mingle and connect at parties.
“If you have a smart telly, you can go to YouTube or Spotify and search for Wanging On.”
Show all 14 chapters
Encouraging Friend Connections
26:20 to 28:01
Understand how to facilitate bonding between different friend groups.
“So that, you know, there is a crossover.”
Social Integration Strategies
28:01 to 29:20
Learn effective ways to help friends integrate into social circles.
“But can I just say, after each gives the scenario, I think I'm going to feign fainting.”
Dilemmas of Friend Groups
29:21 to 31:15
Explore the complexities of mixing friend groups and social dynamics.
“Or, Guy has another scenario he'd like to suggest.”
Am I Weird? Solitude Discussion
31:16 to 34:28
Discuss the joys of solitude amid a busy family life and social expectations.
“And just a reminder, we have one email address and one email address only.”
Transcript
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1:37Maria McErlane:Oh my God, the Venni... A tough f***er who doesn't give a s***. Come on. That's our sweet spot right there. Do they rate your breath at toughs? They don't. Go on, Gladys, stick your head in there.
1:57It's that time of the week again. Hello and welcome to this dollop of hopefully useful advice from me, Graham Norton, and in person, Maria McCurlin.
2:06Maria McErlane:I didn't say dollop of. No, dollop of. No, dollop of. Dollop of. A dollop of. Fancy a dollop of this. Come on, let's start where we need to go. I'm exhausted because award season is finally over. Thank goodness. Oh, I mean, I didn't get anything myself this year. Me neither, which was a surprise. I know. Have you ever been to the Oscars? Not to the Oscars. Now, I have been to a comedy awards ceremony where myself and Anne Bryson, who once presented a TV programme called 630-something, she was nominated for a comedy award. I wasn't. What? Oh, no, that's like when they do that to Claudia and Tess.
2:47Yeah, yeah. Oh, you're the Tess of the equation.
2:51Maria McErlane:I was Tess of the equation. Yeah, because, anyway, let's not go into it, but it was very... Still rankles. Given the show was called 6.30-something, it was a while ago. It was quite a long time ago. But I had to go to the award ceremony, obviously. Obviously. Just to look daggers. Well, no, and do that thing that you have to do, which is... Oh, I couldn't be happier for Anne. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Anyway, she didn't win. No, I really couldn't be happier. She didn't win. She didn't win. Good. No, not good. She didn't win, and I had to go like that. Aw. It would have rankled more if she'd won. Oh, of course.
3:25Yeah.
3:25Maria McErlane:I was greatly relieved. Yeah. You? What about you? We've been to award shows a few times together. Yes, we have. Yes. You like getting dressed up. You like putting a fancy frock on. I know. I don't go to them anymore since you've been married, which is annoying. And he doesn't go to them either. I know he doesn't. My two, I don't go to them anymore. No, you don't. I think you can have enough of them. And I do take my hat off to all those Hollywood people. They're just another dress, another day, another stylist. And also annoys me. the little tiny box in the corner now with all over YouTube and so on of the people commenting on what people are wearing and what they should have, you know, slay, no, ashamed of yourself.
4:08And also you always get to think, who died and made you, you know, fashion god? The queen of style. Yeah. Like, what are you wearing? You're just wearing a dark t-shirt stuck in a corner of a, you know, badly shot Instagram video.
4:19Maria McErlane:But there are so many of those, they're influencers, of course, who influence fashion and tell you what you should be wearing, shouldn't be wearing. And I just think, oh, just leave them alone. And also award ceremonies now, who can wear the tiniest thing? Well, that's at the Grammys, like, they like flash. Yeah. Whereas the actors tend to dress up a bit. Yeah. Yeah. You know, classy. Keep her classy. But basically, award ceremonies are very long and very dull and you don't get nice food and you're always dying to go to the loo. That's my experience. And also never enough to drink. No, it is because you kind of think, oh, now.
4:54And also, because often they don't tell you the running order.
4:56Maria McErlane:And if you are nominated, you're thinking, do I have time to go to the bar at all? But also, certainly at the Comedy Awards, they used to give you as much to drink as you wanted. Because they wanted outrage. They wanted Julia Clary, you know, finishing his career, basically, which he did for a couple of years. They wanted people fighting. They wanted outrage. And a lot of the times they got it. It was good fun, though. Yeah. It really was. I had some great fights. Proper brawling. You and Anne Bryson, you bitch. I love Anne Bryson. And she is very, very funny. She is very funny. Yeah, we love Anne Bryson.
5:32Very good. What else? Well, now, I did go to the Emmys once.
5:36Maria McErlane:Ooh. In America. Yeah. And I felt like, because I'd always thought, wouldn't it be fun to go to the Oscars? And then when I went to the Emmys, I went, no, I must never go to the Oscars. Because when I went to the Emmys, this thing that I've watched on TV and is so glamorous and lovely when you get there they're just people in frocks and you know and then every because they've got big long chains in the dresses and they look at you with daggers if you dare don't step on me if you step on their dress it was like you decided to wear a 20 foot long dress in a very crowded room don't look at me like I'm the mad person for stepping on it I love you for saying that but also we did watch it we went to an Oscars party once if you recall and then when we we got there Andy's oh yes and then he couldn't get the Oscars no that's right He couldn't get the feed.
6:19His wife had cancelled the subscription to Sky Arts.
6:26We were just having to read it online, streaming on Twitter.
6:30Maria McErlane:That was one of my favourite Oscar parties ever, where you don't get to watch the Oscars. Yes, it was funny. It was a tense moment. Yeah, I think a lot of people left early, didn't they? Which was good, because I wasn't going to stay anyway, because it goes on so long. It goes on so long. Now, this podcast... Yes. ...yet to win any awards. Oh, how can that be? I know. Do you think today might change that for us? I have so many dresses waiting in my wardrobe. Oh, and can we give a shout out to Lovely Leather Whisket? Oh, my Lovely Leather Whisket was a purchase when I was 19, which is obviously in the 1900s.
7:06That was before you knew Anne Bryson. Yes.
7:09Maria McErlane:And it came from Liberties of London. It was really expensive, so I've never thrown it away. And now I'm thinking, even though, you know, this is a bit dating, obviously but I think it might be back in fashion who knows it has been over the period yeah there's been many periods and then this is Bambi and Bambi and Mother did you did you cry at Bambi? I don't think I've ever seen Bambi don't be ridiculous no I've never seen it in Ireland they didn't have films so did they? no we had no films we just had cave drawings to enjoy you'd just watch the mud coming up wouldn't you every time it rained up against the window look mummy more mud today.
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9:46Right, Maria, do you have letter number one, please?
9:48Maria McErlane:I do, I do. Hurrah. Hurrah. Okay, dear Graham and Maria, I love the pod and hope you can help. See, I knew I was going to enjoy this letter. Yeah, yeah. Hope you win an award. Oh, good. My boyfriend's breath stinks. I'm pretty sure he brushes his teeth twice a day and his general hygiene is good, but it doesn't just smell after meals or in the morning. And I've noticed it's not just when I'm sat opposite. him either. For example, recently in the cinema, I got a whiff of it every time he laughed. We've been together for almost a year now, but I can't help but think this is getting worse. I'm starting to feel reluctant about kissing him, which makes me feel terribly guilty.
10:30Maria McErlane:But I don't know how on earth I raise this with him help. I mean, it is that I think in a relationship, you should be able to bring up these things. But a year is, you know, it's still quite new. and there's probably a bit of best behaviour and they're not that relaxed with each other. I want Grace to tell us though, presumably when she first went out with him, because that's obviously the biggest turn off when you go, oh yeah, chemistry is good. Kiss goes, oh no, can't do that. So has it just recently started or has it always been the case? I mean, in which case, you've kind of missed out here by you could have told him at some point.
11:07Maria McErlane:What's going on? I thought it was your foot, but it's little Rafi. Do you want to get up, Rafi? How long do you think my legs are? I'm not gazelle. Come here. Here you go. Oh, look, there he is. Now I'm knocked out. Oh, yeah. Look, and your lovely jumper. Oh, you look so lovely. And talking of bad breath, very, very bad. No, no, terrible. Oh, you've noticed that already. Yes, I have. It stinks. I don't know. What shall I do? Can you tell him? Rafi, have you seen a dental hygienist? He goes and has his teeth sonically done. I think it's a small dog thing. But you're not the first person to comment on it, and I'm embarrassed.
11:41Well, I wasn't going to comment on it. You brought it up, so I thought it was all right.
11:43Maria McErlane:Well, I brought it up in context of this letter. Of course, it's what we're talking about. But it is true. We have an example right here. We do. Yes, example, exhibit A. Rafi, you are exhibit A. Yeah. Exhibit A. No, I would say, and we've often talked on this. I don't know why we've often talked, but we have often talked about dental hygienists. Yeah. Or did we just talk about that in our own personal life? No, I don't think so. We've mentioned it on here before, I think. But anyway. Almost certainly. I mean, you can't give someone a gift of 12 dental hygienist sessions, but you sort of feel like he needs to go to a dental hygienist.
12:19Maria McErlane:But I think that this is something more because she's seen him clean his teeth. She knows what he's doing. She probably knows when he's flossing or whatever. I think it's something more. There's a thing called GERD, which is gastro... Somebody will look it up in a minute. And it's to do with what's in your lungs or what's in your stomach. It's like a, are you listening? It is like a post-nasal drip thing that happens, which can cause bad breath. I'm carrying on even though. No, no, I'm listening. And sinus troubles and various things. And they are often overlooked because people think it's just about here.
12:54Maria McErlane:Yeah. But it's about, you know, what's going on in your esophagus, what's going on in your lungs, what's going on in your stomach. Some people have, you know, acid reflux, which causes that too. So, sinuses, acid reflux, it could be one of those things. I would say get him checked out. And then, in a way, you can say, I think what's causing this is not your teeth. But I would start with teeth. Okay. You know, before you go for the lungs or the stomach. Because it could be, you know, he could have gaps in his teeth where food's getting stuck and rotting. Sure. And he's not cleaning. So, you could get him some of those interdental brushes.
13:28Sticks and brushes, yes.
13:29Maria McErlane:But also, she could book an appointment with a hygienist and then do a sneaky, sorry, this is sneaky, ring up the hygienist and say, please, can you help? He's got really bad breath. I want to make sure it's not the teeth before we investigate anything further. So you kind of pre-warn the hygienist. Is that bad? But if you can't mention to him that he's got bad breath, if you're not in that place, then how the hell do you book him a dental hygienist appointment? Well, you say I'm booking one for myself. So I'll book one for you while I'm there. And we can go out for lunch afterwards. Yes. We can go out for garlic afterwards.
13:59Maria McErlane:Yeah. Because something's got to cover that awful smell that comes out of your mouth. I think that, you know, there are ways of dressing these things up and there are sneaky ways of doing things. But I don't know what to do about my dogs, which is more important than Grace, obviously. It's not that bad. He is. No. It's terrible. Well, it's not, but it's a dog. I know, but... You're such a cute dog. Or you're such a cute dog. He won't win at Crufts. Not that he'd win anyway, or that I'd put him in. Do they rate your breath at Crufts? No, they don't. Go on, Gladys, stick your head in there.
14:36Maria McErlane:Judge is just fainting on the spot. Oh, and it's failed on the breath test. It is very hard to tell partners, you know, like underarm smell. But if you live with him and you see what he's doing with his teeth, I mean, I'm sure the rest of his hygiene is perfectly fine. She rates the rest of his hygiene. But I think really when you're at a cinema and somebody's going, ha, ha, ha, and still you're going, wah, breath waves. Yeah, that's something dying inside. That is something I think that is more, not serious, but it's a different area to the teeth. And what do you, I mean, sorry, I shouldn't ask you this, but you may not know.
15:15But is it just that you take pills and it gets rid of the lung, the GERD thing?
15:21Maria McErlane:Yeah, you can have sprays and so on. And it may need antibiotics. you've got some sort of infection in your sinuses. But something is going on that I think is possibly bigger than the teeth and the mouth. So Gerd is gastroesophageal reflux disease. I know it's quite hard to say, but has he got it? I don't know if he's going to do his ass. Not this end. You'll feel it coming out if it is. Oh, Rafi. Do you like his jumper? I love his jumper. Listen, I think we've given some actual, you know, you've obviously done some research. Well done, you. So let's find out what the wangers feel. Okay, Vicky says, this is an awful situation to be in.
16:04Maria McErlane:You obviously don't want to hurt your boyfriend's feelings. No. It may be that although he brushes his teeth, he might not floss at all or often enough. That's what I said. You did. I'd bring up the subject of how you're thinking of buying a water flosser and ask him if he's seen them before. His answer will hopefully give you an opening to discuss his oral hygiene. Good, good advice. No, can I just say, have you ever had a water flosser? No. So I bought one, because in my head, because I use those inter-dental things. I use those two, sticks or flossy. And it's such a waste having to buy them all the time.
16:35And I just thought, well, I'll get a water flosser, and I'll put it in my mouth, and it'll just be, and it'll be amazing. And I bought one, and it just is kind of like a... It's just some water in your mouth. It's not what you want. I thought it was going to be like power washing. I would jet wash my teeth with this thing.
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16:53Maria McErlane:So when you see people doing that with their patios, you thought that would be in your mouth. That would be me. Your head would be destroyed. Yeah, well, but I would at least get rid of everything that's in there. And your teeth. And my teeth. But no, not like that. So I would say stick with the sticks rather than the water thing. Yeah. Reg, the salop boy, whatever that means. Dear Graham and the gorgeous Maria. Oh, Reg. You could buy an old World War II gas mask. I reckon he'd get the message pretty quick. However, in all seriousness, this may actually be a sign of an underlying health issue.
17:26Maria McErlane:So if you love him, then you need to pluck up your courage and tell him, what's the worst that can happen? He pins you down and breathes on you. Very good. Thank you, Reg. Well, I do think that's true. I do think, you know, find out, is he having trouble with his sinuses? Is he feeling reflux? Is he getting indigestion? All of those questions you can ask first. And you know what the other thing is, Grace, this is kind of the first test of your relationship. You're with him a year. You like him, apparently. So if you can't get past this, if he reacts so badly to this news, then this relationship was not meant to be.
18:02Because actually, he should be able to take it from someone who cares about him. He should. If he believes that Grace... And if he can't, it's a deal breakup. Yeah, I would say. Because who does he think Grace is? You know, is Grace just this horrible woman who's tried to make him feel bad? No. She's someone who cares about you and is worried about you.
18:20Maria McErlane:Good. Jenny in Newcastle, leave him I spoke too soon A lifetime is a long time to spend with someone who disgusts you Well that's a fairly categorical journey in Newcastle But there are ways I think before we get to that Before we get to that red flag I'm leaving you, you disgust me Out of nowhere It's you, not me Hillary says, best just to tell him, in a shit sandwich He's been eating them Yeah.
18:53Maria McErlane:That'll do, won't it? That'll give you a bad breath. That will. Woo! What is that? What have you been eating? Praise him, then criticise, then praise. Declare your love and then reassure him with a passionate kiss after he takes a dose of mouthwash. I feel sick. Yeah, that's not good. Nicola in Derbyshire, she says, you know Derbyshire? Oh, I do, the big district. I have found that kissing is the best time to bring it up. Say something like, have you brushed your teeth today? And if he says yes, just state politely that you've noticed recently, even after brushing, there's a bit of a smell. Then suggest he book in a hygienist appointment.
19:31Maria McErlane:Do not mention it in a fight or if he's a bit vulnerable. No matter how tough they seem, it can break them. But don't choose being nice over being kind. If you love and respect him, then you should say something. Hope it works out. Well, no, I think that she does have, look, in the end, there's, you know, there's all the subtle things you do. But in the end, if you are going to be with this person, this is a pretty basic conversation to have. So you should be able to have it. And he should be able to take it. Yeah. And if he can't, well. Anyway, Grace, hopefully we've given you some options there.
20:04But you could always scroll down below this on Spotify or YouTube and see if there's any extra advice in the comments below. Maria, we'll have another problem. In but a moment. Oh. This episode is brought to you by Indeed. Stop waiting around for the perfect candidate. Instead, use Indeed Sponsored Jobs to find the right people with the right skills fast. It's a simple way to make sure your listing is the first candidate C. According to Indeed data, Sponsored Jobs have four times more applicants than non-sponsored jobs. So go build your dream team today with Indeed. Get a$75 sponsored job credit at Indeed.com slash podcast.
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21:46Maria McErlane:Hooray! If you have a smart telly, you can go to YouTube or Spotify and search for Wanging On. Yeah, it's great. You can find our full episodes, all of them. So you can binge them all or you can watch us weekly, like a normal person. This is the brave new world of visualised podcasting, Maria. I am all over it. Stream Wanging On on your smart telly now. Maria, let's spoil our audience with another dilemma. Are you excited about this one too? Ish. Not so much. I peaked. You peaked early. Dear Graham and Maria, my partner and I have been together for many years and we have my friends and we have his friends.
22:29Maria McErlane:I am friends with his friends and he is friends with my friends. No issues there. This is a children's book. Janet's friends with John and friends. No issues there. The issue is when we combine these two groups. When we have hosted parties in the past, both sets of friends then often separate themselves into their own groups and very little mingling happens. My friends are quite outgoing and have often told me that his friends are not very welcoming and don't make an effort to talk to them. I thought that this was a bit over the top until I saw it for myself with my own eyes. At our last party, I introduced one of my good friends and her boyfriend to two people in my boyfriend's friendship group.
23:12Maria McErlane:It was incredibly awkward. They didn't ask any questions and continued having their own conversation, leaving my friends out. While I don't expect them to be bosom buddies, I do expect them to at least try and talk to each other as they have the mutual connection of being friends with us. Is there anything I can do or should I just let it go? And that's from Veronica. Don't hear many Veronicas these days, do you? You don't. Veronica Mars. It's a nice name, though. Veronica. Well, Veronica, I think you say when we host parties, I think you have to step away from the hosting of the parties and you have to invite certain little groups of his friends and your friends, smaller, to different sorts of events.
23:54Maria McErlane:Maybe go bowling or something where there's chat. People are invariably quite shy and will always gravitate back to who and what they know. So I think when it's a big party and that's his friends and that's my friends, they're going to stay on opposite sides. But if they know each other from something else, something else we've done, you know, go for a cinema night or go on a walk on a Sunday morning in the pub. So you integrate little sections of these friends of his with yours. And then when there is a big party, it's not like everyone's coming at it cold. They know the person from hiking or they know the person from the cinema or bowling.
24:31Maria McErlane:It's a really difficult one because the only common denominator is you and your partner, Veronica. The thing I struggle with, why does it matter? Because who cares if they're friends with each other? You're friends with them, Veronica. You get on with them. End of. Your party's still a big success because one gang is all talking to each other and one gang's all talking to each other. Everyone has a nice time and goes home. Well, she wants there to be some sort of crossover, obviously, because if she's thinking in the future, you know, I'd like for them all to get on. What's weird is that you're not making any effort to make that happen.
25:04Well, I think what's odd is that they've been together for many years. And I think as you, you know, you stay with someone for a long time, your friendship groups do become one friendship group.
25:14Maria McErlane:Yeah, because you have people over for dinner or you meet people in the pub. But that doesn't seem to have happened. It's odd that. It is quite odd. I know she's blaming his friends. Yeah. But it has to be her friends too. But also don't ever say, oh, you know, have you met, blah, blah, blah. It's like people just go, oh, yeah, hi, and then carry on with our conversations. You've got to work to integrate people. Twister, that kind of thing. Yeah, no, not twister. But, you know, common denominators, oh, so-and-so has just been learning French, and you've just come back from Paris, and blah, blah, blah, all of that, whatever.
25:48Maria McErlane:You know, conversational gambits. I'm going for an Uber. Comment, comment, idea Uber? Au revoir. A bientôt. You've got to work. I mean, you know that you've got to work to kind of knit those social groups together. Yeah. I mean, I do think you're right. Activities are probably the way forward. So, you know, like a... Yes, like a little hiking weekend or something like that where people have to do things together. And different sets, different sets, different sets. So that, you know, there is a crossover. It's not just like a wedding where there's your family, my family. But I think, Veronica, you know, you can't just, you know, these aren't dogs or children.
26:32You can't just pile them all in a room and kind of go, well, there you go, play. Have a nice time. You've got to, you know, use your human eyes and ears and go, I think they will get on with those ones. Because, you know, not everyone does get on. And not everyone, as you said, not everyone has things in common. So, you know, use your own sense of judgment as you're putting these groups together.
26:53Maria McErlane:Yeah, but actually also this does, you know, this falls into the category of first of all, a problem. Oh, I mean, you don't really have a problem, Veronica. No, you don't. And if all that fails, I would say don't have any more parties. God, for everyone's sake. They all hate them. They've even called us to tell us. Yeah. Veronica's party. If I talk to them, I might get invited again. Shall we see what the wangers? Oh, the wangers. Yes. We forgot about the wangers. Rain says, doesn't tell us where rain is, everywhere at the moment. I think perhaps an improv game, an improv game such as one word at a time might help.
27:33Maria McErlane:Create two teams, create teams of two or three people consisting of friends from his group and her group. The host of the party gives them each a scenario, only when it's their turn and not before, such as how I made dinner or what I did on holiday. Each team has 60 to 90 seconds to tell the story one word at a time in front of the group. Set the timer and off you go. At the end of the game, everyone votes for the best story. Points or a silly prize can be given to the winning team. But at a party where there's a DJ, I know your face. I'm feigning illness. You wanted me to carry on with this. No, I want to know what it was.
28:05But can I just say, after each gives the scenario, I think I'm going to feign fainting. I'm just going to go, ugh, ugh, ugh.
28:15Maria McErlane:You can't do that at a collective party. This has to be one of those smaller kind of gatherings that we talked about. if you want to do an improv. Even more hot making. Ruth says, if this couple are serious about their friends integrating, they should put in the effort and be proactive to facilitate them getting on and perhaps organise some kind of group activity that acts as a good icebreaker. Things like a hike, followed by a drink at the pub or playing Padel. I'd do that. Maybe not the Padel, but I'd go for a hike and a drink. Maybe also a home blind wine tasting where you can cover the bottles and turn it into a game to guess the type of wine.
28:52Maria McErlane:That's better than one word at a time, frankly. Yeah, one wine at a time. Yeah, everyone gets so sloshed. People are usually a lot more friendly after a glass of wine or two. I think that's a good bit of advice, Ruth. Thank you. Yeah, that's not bad. Guy says, definitely don't say, hi guys, can I introduce you to Ben and Sarah? Two orcs. Create an inn. Like, hey, you've been to Japan. Ben and Sarah are going there. I've taken a gin, Ben and Sarah. Yeah, shut up. Or, Guy has another scenario he'd like to suggest. Guy says, does your dog pee on the sofa? Ben and Sarah's does, and she's nearly one.
29:33No wonder they're going to Japan.
29:36Maria McErlane:What's he doing going out with a one-year-old? Failing all this, I'm sorry, but they're probably just not into them. That's probably true. We've got a voice note. From Julian in Hamburg. I know. Hamburg. Hamburg. Hamburg. So I don't really think friends have to mix. We all have different people for different parts of our lives. And forcing it just makes it awkward, I guess. I don't know. But if you really want them to, I'd start smaller. Maybe one of your friends, one of his, super low pressure. Or if you're feeling super brave, do a games night where people have to mix in teams. It's torture.
30:12But nothing bonds people like some mild social torture. I think that's true, Julian.
30:19Maria McErlane:And then they'd never come to your group parties. And then you'll see pictures online of them all at another party together that you're not at. That's really the ultimate, isn't it? Revenge. I liked Julian in, where was he? He was in Hamburg. Hamburg. I could detect a South African voice there. Could you? It was an accent, certainly. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, accent, that's one. Accent, that's one thing. Any more for any more? Yeah, Imogen says, long time listener, first time wanger. Hooray, welcome wanger. imagine that your two circles of friends are the circles of a Venn diagram you and your partner are the thin sliver where the circles meet kindly I suggest you move on oh thank you Imogen Imogen is our demographic oh my god the Venn diagram a tough bitch who doesn't give a shit come on that's our sweet spot right there yeah please and welcome Imogen welcome Imogen we need your wedding welcome to our world and more Venn diagrams thank you very much Oh, Veronica, thank you very much for that dilemma.
31:18It actually got a really big response. And just a reminder, we have one email address and one email address only. So if you want to send in a dilemma or join a list of the wangers who give advice, or indeed ask the question, am I weird? Do get in touch. It's wangingon at listen.co.uk.
31:35Maria McErlane:Wangingon at listen.co.uk. And somebody has used that address to send in this week's am I weird? What is? What is? What is the weird today? This comes from Jane in London. Am I weird that my absolute favourite time of the day is going to bed on my own? I can think of nothing more joyful than getting into bed with no one talking to me, asking me anything and either scrolling on my phone or reading a good book. I have a very busy life, two teenage boys and a younger girl. My husband leaves for work at 8am and gets home at 7pm. I work from home, which is stressful having to juggle with all the house admin, children admin, burying children to clubs, various child dramas, doing 90 % of the housework and spending my life being asked what is for dinner.
32:23Maria McErlane:Slightly martyr-ish there, isn't it? Well, but also, where's the husband when she goes to bed? Asleep on the sofa, snoring. Oh, OK. She's locked him out. Having done a whole bottle of Johnny Walker. There was nothing for dinner. She was in bed, Graham. Why do you keep asking her what's for dinner? Where's the fucking dinner? She's in bed with a good book again. That is quite a lot that she's having to deal with. So you can say at some point, I don't care what's for dinner. Ask your dad. Yeah. Because she's already said, look, it's passive aggressive. I do 90 % of the housework. Well, she does.
33:04Maria McErlane:Who does the other 10 %? The children. It doesn't get done. That's what. It doesn't get done. It's a squalor. Yeah, squalor, 10 % of squalor. It's a good title for a book, 10 % of squalor. You could use that. For your book, I was thinking. Your shitty book.
33:25Maria McErlane:Now, we were quite nice before, but now we've been quite horrible. But actually, look, the bottom line is, I think, you know, Jane's very fortunate. Yes, she's got a lot going on in her life, but she really enjoys that moment of solitude. You would, wouldn't you? Well, you would. 90 % of the housework. But I think some people don't enjoy the solitude. Yeah, that's true. They're lonely. That's what we're saying. They're lonely. And she's not. You know, I love it, especially because I live by the seaside when it's raining and you can hear the sea outside and you get into bed and it's very much...
33:56Just the smell of Raffi's breath.
34:02Don't spoil it. Wafting you to sleep. with each wave crashing on the... Well, I think the seaweed's been out for a fun time.
34:13Maria McErlane:Well, I find Marathi's breath stops me from having to take a sleeping pill. It's the best drug there is, Graham. So what are we saying? Weird or not weird? No, not weird at all. Perfectly normal. We're jealous of you. Well done, Jane. Maria, I believe we've wanged on enough for one week. Remember, of course, there is plenty of expert help out there. Find a link on our Instagram as a starting point because we are on at wanging on. Wanging On with Graham and Maria is a listen production. We'll see you next week. Goodbye.
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