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31:00most of this filing was from an investigation in 2020 right um it's an ongoing court case that has been going on for years some of these depositions were from as old as 2021 i want to say um i don't know when these dms came out but they are uh investigating things that happened in meta as far back as 2017 cool i believe um so there's some things that you know are pretty easy to understand that we i think we've all heard about before for example um there was an internal study at meta called project mercury that was uh meta hired the company nielsen that does media research to investigate what the psychological effects of quitting a meta product specifically facebook were on users.

31:48The results were resoundingly people were happier, less anxious, less lonely, lived better lives. And they quit Facebook. And Meta just sort of killed the entire project and made sure and hid all the findings. And their reason was like, oh, you know, like there's so much, there's this narrative in the media that Meta products are bad. And so, you know, if you're going to quit Facebook, of course, you're going to feel better because everyone already believes that meta products are bad which is a crazy argument to make in my opinion but you know it's sort of i guess works um then there were a bunch of stuff that came out of meta staffers sort of being like this nielsen study really does show that you know people are there's an impact on social comparison yeah unhappy face emoji was the exact uh yeah there's an impact on social comparison unhappy face emoji was the uh the thing another meta staffer wrote this is like the tobacco industry doing research and knowing cigs are bad and then keeping that info to themselves that is an exact quote another user experience researcher wrote oh my gosh y 'all ig is a drug we're basically pushers which is a crazy thing to write about the company that you work for um another ux researcher was recommending that meta release this info to the public and wrote because our product exploits weaknesses in the human psychology to promote product engagement and time spent, we need to alert people to the effect that the product has on their brain.

33:15But we still give it out. But we still did not. It is worth noting that Meta does not study addiction. They only study problematic use. I don't know exactly what that means, but what they did consider problematic use is, I guess, up to someone. The waters. So another thing, I don't know if you remember. So does anyone remember what I don't I didn't know this code name, but something called Project Daisy where Instagram hid like counts. Yeah, they I was one of the accounts selected to beta test that and none of my friends were. And I sounded like a crazy person being like, there's no likes on Instagram anymore.

33:54This is really weird. and the goal of that was to try to make teens feel better because teens were sort of being encouraged to compare themselves to others which is you know not easy when you're a teenager and that got killed because it you know affected engagement and time spent in the app and one of the quotes that came out i can't even this one is so crazy one of the quotes that came out with someone on the growth team insisting and this is an exact quote it's a social comparison an app. Get used to it. Incredible, incredible care for your children. Here's here's another crazy thing that came out as this.

34:35And I'm just going to read this is from Time magazine. I'm just going to read this exactly as Time wrote it. Meta used location data to push notifications to students in what they call school blasts, presumably as part of an attempt to increase youth engagement during the school day. As one employee allegedly put it, one of the things we need to optimize for is sneaking a look at your phone under your desk in the middle of chemistry. Smiley face. Just fantastic stuff right here. Time has a great article on it. Reuters has a great article on it. And if you're not okay, that's fine. Because just know, to me, and I'm going to wrap up this very sad story like this.

35:17I feel like there's this narrative that Meta's been pushing that time spent in app is not the most important metric to their business. They've said this sort of roundabout ways that they value other things. And to me, all of these leaks indicate that that does not seem to be the case. That time spent is still the most important way meta makes money off of their products which i it's that every company is time spent on app because more time spent on app equals more time to sell you things i'm actually going to push back on that narrative a little bit because of how big and i cannot believe i'm like i don't want to sound like i'm defending tiktok but the tiktok shop really does change that for that platform i I can't remember where I read this, but I've read a bunch of different articles about how the TikTok shop is so huge globally that they're able to make money off of that.

36:19And the ads part of TikTok is not as big a part of their business in the same way meta is structured. Yeah, but if you're on TikTok for longer, you can get more things on the TikTok shop and make more money. I need to find this research. It was really clear that while they do want you to stay on TikTok for a long time, what they more prioritize is you sending products to your friend engaging with products and not just being on the app all day whereas in this meta thing we found out like where what time are kids not on the app oh in class like we should optimize the app to get them on the app in class um yeah i i guess last thing i'll push back on that as being one of the main functions of tiktok is when you're kind of done and you hit back to exit the app it refreshes the feed and tries to hook you on another like yeah ultimately all of that boils down to like they might prioritize this specific way of making money but in all of those ways this is probably why meta meta says we're not our primary goal isn't time spent on app but it's like they have a primary goal that they put the way that goal gets hit better in every single scenario possible is more time spent on the app i think it's just logical same with youtube to an extent same with everything same with this podcast probably like more time i mean i know you want to spend more time with us because we but like yo but we will say conclusively if you're in class right now yes turn off the podcast you got plenty of dishes at home yeah chill yeah we'll be there later don't hurt dish podcast Anyway, like I said, Meta refutes these claims.

38:00They claim they're cherry-picked. This is ongoing litigation. This is all alleged. But I thought it was pretty crazy, and I wanted to talk about it this week. Can I talk about a crazy, more lighthearted article? Absolutely. Headline I read today? Yeah. This is from PC World, and I just thought, this is very short, but I thought it was too funny. It says, RAM prices are so out of control, stores are selling it at market prices. So basically... As a seafood lover. This is crazy. So a store in California called Central Computers, and people have also seen something similar like this at micro centers, but they're essentially not pricing RAM at stores right now because of how much the prices are fluctuating.

38:44They have to just put up signs that basically say, ask a sales associate or just bring it to the counter and find out. Catch of the day. Like, RAM is seafood right now because of trying to get compute. farm to table straight compute to table is not cheap these days but um i this this just gave me a good laugh laugh it just says like due to a global shortage of memory chips ram and related components have recently seen an increase in 20 50 percent they're fluctuating daily um because of this we can't display fixed prices on certain products at this time didn't correct me if i'm wrong didn't wendy's experiment with this oh they did Did Wendy's experiment with dynamic pricing?

39:26Yeah, I think so. They basically did peak pricing. Yeah. First they came for our Baconators. It is interesting. In certain commodities, we are okay with market pricing in certain cases. But when it's certain things, it seems ridiculous that it's market pricing. Also, I'm pretty sure this is a small company. Central Computers is probably small enough that they don't have a ton of supply. and like a very reliable like inventory supply they probably have to do something like this where if you're best buy or whatever and you have a ton of of suppliers and you can sort of account for that you probably aren't doing this ridiculous like market pricing thing and you can eat some of the dips in profit but yeah it is fascinating i feel like they could just price it to a certain like price it a certain amount higher than they buy it for though right couldn't they just do that it does seem like central computers is a pretty local chain to the bay area and so yeah they probably don't have scale on their side and they're at the way of their distributor yeah i bet that's one is like it coming in and with not just like demand but also potentially tariffs i'm sure this could be changing literally but how much they pay for it and also if you everyone loves scalping these days i don't know why gary v but like everyone loves to just buy stuff and sell for more expensive because heaven forbid anyone gets a deal so like if they sell this at a normal price i'm sure someone will come in buy everything and then just go resell it and make the money anyways i i'm sorry i hate scalping so much i i think it's you brought up a really interesting point marquez because like if i'm like if we're talking about like oysters you know something that's and milk no i want to do oysters because oysters are something that have like such a short shelf life like like you you you are eating them intrinsically like within a week or two after they came out of the ground you know you can't you can't stockpile oysters you know that's something i'm okay with being market price a baconator which was clearly made three and a half years ago and stored in some underground i like how you could have used the ram example we have it right here but you're like no ram ram gets don't we get a new ddr number like every year or something like that i would argue that ddr5 plus ultra max i anyone on on twitter if you know uh what is made sooner or like what has what spends longer in storage before being sold baconators or sticks of ram wendy's is fresh never frozen is that allegedly their whole thing they probably keep it at 33 degrees fahrenheit it's not frozen it's not frozen I'm not touching you never frozen never frozen that's funny yeah we were thinking we got a fun game coming up in the next segment so why don't we do like a little teaser let's do one of them yeah before we actually get into it yeah so this is our tech hot takes game yeah Marquez is doing his tech hot takes video this week I think it's a lot of fun it's super fun we do it like once a year at this point but Harper and I just collected way too many you usually do like five or seven harper and i probably grabbed like 50 so i figured why not bring some over to the pod yeah let's let's let us talk about it and wine for a little bit um and you can enjoy our whining so that sold it right yeah so we're gonna we're gonna evaluate these takes and see if they're hot or not and if they're good or not and if we agree with them and if we agree or not so you want to do the first one which pick one pick which one you like the most let's go top to bottom okay first all right first hot take from gregory mcfadden apple vision pro is still the most exciting tech product released in the last five years okay so disagree i would say disagree oh well that's what makes it hot is it's very easy to disagree with but let's go with if you do agree how would you justify it apple vision pro is the most exciting i'll try and justify it semi-anecdotally yeah look at our it's already the most viewed video on the mkbhd channel that's a fact yeah which means there's maybe the most it's maybe the most interesting it has the most interest i think exciting is the key word like i think this is not most successful this is not most useful this is not necessarily totally game-changing but in terms of excite on the internet okay it's hard to argue against it i have a slight counterpoint that we could maybe talk about apple m apple m series chips right m1 that is exciting five years it is the past five years because it came on 20 yeah yeah it came on 20 so you know I feel like that the M series chips Apple Silicon is the most like it's a lot of other superlatives in there.

44:23I mean it is exciting. It's a lot of superlatives. It's probably their best product. It's probably their most impactful, most improved product. Yeah. It's probably the most powerful product. How many tick tockers were making M5 and series videos when it came out when the vision pro was like the only thing on in like broken outside of the tech space? Yeah, I like I as someone who is like y 'all are in our niche right now I was getting completely throttled by a the the last in generation of Intel MacBook Pros and I remember when they announced that that M1 MacBook Pro dude, it was like define exciting It was like every single thing you've ever wanted.

45:05Yeah. Cool. Causing. I don't think any of us are disagreeing with that. I think to your point, in smaller communities, there are more exciting products. But if you want to go by total mass, I'm trying to think of a product that came out in the last five years that's new that more people know about and know exists. Like our parents all know about VR headsets now. like all every you probably don't know anyone who's been sentient for the last five years who hasn't heard of the apple vision pro where i think even some of the most popular and and best products from the last five years aren't quite on that level which is crazy to say so i think this might be a valid hot take i'm trying to think of a more exciting tech product to the masses yeah that actually hit i'm asking gemini right now most people that bought a macbook in the last five years chat gbt don't know what chip is inside gbt did come out in 2022 chat gbt is a tech product yeah um is it exciting to people kind of that's true it's more controversial mother bird buddy true oh so gemini says that chat gbt is the most exciting new product that's pretty gemini said that that's hilarious yeah it's really funny it said that the most exciting hardware product is the steam deck that's not even you shouldn't have said that because it doesn't help your first point by being that wrong the second time number three says apple silicon okay number four it says apple vision pro uh-huh um number five it says the mature maturation of foldable phones foldable some people yeah is that that exciting so it's a summary verdict most transformative chat gpt most fun steam deck the steam deck i think might give apple vision pro run for its money i feel like so many people are you kidding in total generated excitement for humanity i thought gamers were like so but that's your keep you i feel like you guys keep saying like this is so cool in this niche right here that goes against everything i would argue i would argue outside of the tech bubble like like if you just go up to random people on the street and he said Apple Vision Pro, they'd be like, oh, that stupid useless thing that nobody has.

47:21And you'd say, and what about the Steam Deck? And they'd be like, the what? No, no, no, no, no. A regular person would be like, the Steam Deck? A regular person plays video games. A regular person does not care about a$4 ,000 VR headset. A regular person knows about that headset and is like Steam Deck, is that Xbox or PlayStation? No, I'm pushing back on that. I think you underestimate what... I did a Google search trend. search trends um apple vision pro is about 3x the search volume i don't think there's a single metric maybe i'm wrong although look at this look at this wow this actually shows how badly vision pro failed so when vision pro first came out screenshot this it was stupidly popular but it died immediately and had no search volume until the m5 version came out oh no no is that no no that's announcement and release announcement and release while the m5 version didn't do anything didn't register the rick there at all so they like the search volume for like a week was 3x what steam deck has ever been however steam deck has continual interest over time i think it's much higher than vision pro i take 18 steam decks before i would buy a vision pro i think it's way better of a product you sound pretty excited it says oh it does say average steam deck is way more popular than manager pro that's what it says over time i guess that's one metric i'm just trying to think i'm trying to quantify this as total excitement generated for humanity and like how many that's a combination of total exposure and total excitement per person that sees it by that definition then i would go chat gpt over the apple vision pro yeah because it just has hundreds of millions of people the whole economy is moving on chat right now i think that's it that's actually probably the real answer i want to think of it i guess i i definitely thought more gadget physical gadget exciting means by uh oxford languages causing great enthusiasm and eagerness in this essay i will i wouldn't say that vision pro causes enthusiasm um but it eagerness maybe eagerness in a cheaper version like there's a there's yeah yeah it is definitely interesting an exciting breakthrough yeah yeah it's definitely i think it's gonna be chat gpt chat gpt is probably the correct actual answer but greg that's a good hot take it's good hot take yeah all right we'll take a quick break we're gonna have way more hot takes after the break but that of course means we have time for one more trivia question trivia dude it's trivia dude it's trivia dude before i pass it to my co-worker adam i just want to say someone potested in the mkbhd subreddit i feel like ellis would like this video and it got zero upvotes i just want you to know that i watched it and i did like it wow so thanks i don't have a reddit account so i can't it's a it's about ai overview it was about ai overview and it might have also been about hot dogs it was like two of my interests all you can eat buffet that was it it was an all you can eat buffet it was not that far off yeah exactly so man i feel seen thank you nice okay sorry i'm watching right now the ai overview is it's they searched all you can eat buffet near me the overview says you can use online search engines like google can you i don't know i guess you can't all right so before the podcast before we sat down to record david and i were talking about aluminum os which is google's new project project to bring android and desktop computers.

51:04Chrome OS. Chrome OS, thank you. But we're not going to talk about that this week because it's just a rumor. It's not a rumor. They have a job listing for it. It's a job listing. Who knows if it'll ever come out. Projects are canceled all the time. There's also a job listing for the Tesla Roadster. That's true. Is it really? Yeah. Got him. Shouldn't they have that done by now? That's what I'm saying. You're just now hiring. You should be firing people after it's done. Yeah. So I forget why David made a joke at my expense. And I was like, okay, every question on today's trivia will be about aluminum.

51:37Aluminium. Aluminium. So this question is about aluminum. That's not it. But nice. 42 electrons. Close. What is the atomic number of aluminum? 42. Can I ask a follow up question? Depends what it is. What is an atomic number? It's how many electrons it has. Protons. Weight of protons. Yes, thank you. Yeah. Yeah, protons. Which actually is also the electrons, the electron number, unless it's an ion. Yeah, exactly. You knew that. You know, like, it's a little number on the little box. Yeah, you know about like the periodic table. Okay, you've seen Breaking Bad, right? All right, well, we'll think about that one too.

52:16We'll be right back.

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looked fine okay but they also the options they give you are horrible they give you like tinting now they give you like the ability to put the icons everywhere they give you widgets they start to let you do more stuff and i've seen some of the worst home screens in the history of the iphone in the last two years so there's a valid argument for this but also it gives you the ability to make everything better it's hard to ever want to take things away from the user but i also agree that sometimes i'm like that's yucky look and i don't like it be cringe be free that's all look makes everything worse it makes everything look worse absolutely yeah but i would i would argue that it makes it better could you make the argument tried liquid glass oh yeah it's terrible you can't use it that's not user but it's not customization it's not custom they don't let you know the only thing i like to customize is do you want it glossy or do you want it like kind of not that glossy yeah you could change like when you do customization make like the glass where they're all see-through and everything but you can't even tell what the icons are i that's from i wouldn't say that's user defined yeah i think they're talking about that's like apples no i know i think they're talking about like android no we're talking about like you get to pick because you're saying basically that apple's the direction is good no it's horrible well that's what i was saying but the further you stray from a defined uh aesthetic the the more even worse you can make it that's yeah if the base is bad and then you let people color on top of already the floor is lower yes exactly the floor drops out from underneath yeah and like the ceiling gets a little higher because you can make it a little better but like how many times have you looked at someone else's home screen on their phone and been like uh i'm happy every time i look at andrew's phone okay maybe hot take but like we need uggo stuff you know we need stuff to be ugly you can't appreciate the beauty if you don't know what and also damn why are you hating on the boo-boos all the time because they're ugly this is why okay i honestly think this is the best one out of everything because it's just like it is the perfect amount of argumentative like labooboos are not user defined labooboos were defined by a designer who had awful taste but like okay think of think of think of a crock right a crock is just a blank horrible looking shoe yeah right if you couldn't add anything to a croc it would just be like wow another ugly shoe whatever yeah but then you open up user customization to it yeah how many crocs do you think look better after customization or look objectively worse after you customize worse they all look worse have you seen the squidward but they are personal uh great that's and that's exactly what this is it's user customized and it's personal and that one person will feel it's better and everyone else will go we don't talk about who my croc i don't care what you think about my croc kind of applies you can tell everyone on this podcast is form over function because there's so many people create like it's pretty obvious that all the user-defined stuff even though people make what we subjectively think is ugly probably works really well for them and i shouldn't be putting them down but here we are on a podcast saying just look at the screen one more time is that really what you want people to see you know what else but they don't see it you see it you know what else would have a user customization we need to get rid of car wraps no highly disagree i don't know marquez highly disagree especially because when the cybertruck came out and they all just look like a dumpster refrigerator you definitely had a higher ceiling from being able to wrap that ceiling the floor of course went down cyber no the floor went down i admit it no i have i've seen lots of like gray and black and like other regular colored trucks that look better than the stainless steel dumpster that it looks like without the wrap but how is that different than the iphone tennis ball phone well like putting a case on your phone you're saying no no no remember when they announced the customization they were like if you love tennis balls so much you can make your own tennis ball just like human beings do yeah well it's funny because it wasn't if you like it was if the photo of your dog likes tennis balls so much.

58:17Is that what it was? It took the color from a dog with a tennis ball in its mouth. And it made them all yellow. And it made them all yellow, which I kind of liked. It looked horrible. It's pretty hilarious. It made them all limoncello. I think this is a great take because you can probably, we can probably all agree that user defined customization always makes the floor lower. Yes. And sometimes it also makes the ceiling higher, but because the floor always goes lower, you can say, God, it's just worse. But I'm also happy for the people living in the basement. Yeah, do what you want. I agree. Do what you want.

58:48Can we all agree that this is a great take because we kind of agree with it, but would never, ever want people to lose customization? I can't publicly endorse that. Yeah, I will never. It was pretty funny. Yeah. I, especially as a kid, an electronic needed to be customizable for me to enjoy using it. Yeah. We're all probably sitting here today because we probably customized too close to the sun. You know how much they've taken from us? You know how much they've taken from us? Do you know, I'm sure like at least 40 % of the people listening to this podcast right now got yelled at by their dad because they changed the cursor on their own PC and gave the computer a virus.

59:25100%. That's right, yeah. That AeroGlass theme on Windows XP went so hard. Okay, that's a good one. Well, we got another one from Threads. Okay. From JDWAYT. A lot of these are Threads because all the ones on Twitter were just like, crypto's not at its full potential yet. Yeah. I made the mistake of asking people to upvote their favorites, which I thought would make like the hottest takes go to the top. It actually made the coldest takes go to the top because it had the most people agreeing with it. Oh, yeah. So you had to kind of dig a little bit in threads. There was plenty of like. Ask on Reddit and then sort by controversial.

1:00:00Exactly. That's the hottest. That's the real way to get it. OK, so this person on threads says, I don't get why people are so upset that tech companies no longer ship chargers in the box. You do not need to get a new one with every new product. I still have and use the USB-C charger from my Nexus 6P. What are you all doing with your old chargers? Yeah, agree. 100 % agree. Okay. So this is hot. I 100 % agree with that. Really? Hard disagree. This is hot because, at least to me, charging has gotten way better in the last few years, and you need the new charger to take advantage of. The companies that are shipping the 100-watt phones give you a 100-watt charger.

1:00:41Agree. they do well not even that the new iphone actually that's valid new new watts 40 to 45 now yeah if you have the old charger what's that what are you gonna do that's actually valid i think the ones that have changed the most in charging still include the charger yeah and the ones that have changed the least in charging are like yeah you can use your old 6p charger and be fine actually that's that's true yeah damn this i agree this is one of those ones where like 100 agree i agree with this it's one of where a company can make a statement saying this is like for the environment and e-waste which i agree with but i also think the alternative motive is it's make it's money more money for them and so like i want to agree with it without giving them the credit of thinking this is some spinning it yeah like some gift to us i yeah i think every new phone should not come with the charger but should have a redeemable code so if you really need the charger and if you need it enough you'll go out of your way to order it or go to a store and get it you should be able to get it for free and then that eliminates all of this debate if i ran a phone company that's what i would do you know apple would say they'd say we'd have to ship the charger in a box to you and you know how much waste that causes you know how much pollution that creates but it's for those who need it you know tim cook i know you're trying to optimize your your palette sizes by shrinking the size of the phone box but like only five percent of people are going to order that charger it's gonna be great i love that with the new apple watch they were like we can add 50 more apple watches per shipment and it's like so you're saying that's for the environment but you're just saying we can sell more app we can save more money i think it's kind of interesting that uh when you buy music gear or a lot of audio gear it they never come with any okay like obviously they'll come with power cables but there's no if it has like usbc power yeah no no not even like like if you buy like an audio interface it won't come with mic cables or if you buy a microphone it'll never come with a mic cable you know i mean you're like that you're like expected to buy that stuff inside and the reason i say that is because i was thinking about the most mad i've ever gotten unboxing a tech product and it was when i spent over a thousand dollars on my black magic ultra studio 4k and it didn't come with a thunderbolt cable i recently did that holy oh you bought a black magic ultra studio so similarly i was having issues with my apollo twin with the old thunderbolt 2 at home and i finally upgraded and i spent nine hundred dollars on an apollo twin with the new thunderbolt and i opened it and there was no thunderbolt cable and i was like thank god i have a thunderbolt cable right now and the cables are expensive it made me so mad dude i say yeah but then it's funny it's like i've never bought a mic had been like why no xlr cable and frankly i wouldn't trust to include i feel i think that's exactly where the distinction is though because there are certain products that are expected to work out of the box and there are certain products where everyone buying them is expected to customize it to their liking in some way and you let them like a microphone if you're buying a nice expensive xlr microphone that's the exact type of person who knows which usb which xlr cable which yeah they have their brands they like or in length if I get an SM7B and it comes with a three foot cable it's like there's a 90 % chance that cable is now a waste I'm going to push back on that because since XLR cables have jack and pin or pin and hole you can daisy chain them together so is that what you would do if you then needed to buy a longer cable afterwards we have daisy chain cables in here yeah but never mind yeah sure and if you're getting mad at me about grounding or whatever then you know that you know that you're too smart for this question did the game boy color come with come with batteries like double a batteries or so because a lot of products that you buy that take batteries which is not that many because most of them are rechargeable now come with like generic you know amazon brand or whatever that's fine though because that's expected to work out of the box well if it didn't come with batteries though in like 1995 or 2000 i agree that people shouldn't be upset about not getting a charger but i do think if you're buying a peripheral a thousand dollar plus peripheral and it doesn't come with a thunderbolt yeah that's different that's that we all have a million chargers but we don't all have a million thunderbolt cables fair enough so still be mad but still be mad at all the companies for pretending my mom has one charger.

1:05:13Jess, my fiance, has one charger. How? We have 600. Regular people do not just have chargers lying around. They take them with them from place to place. But regular people in the US generally, because of how carrier systems work, upgrade their phone every two years. So, in the life cycle, even in an Apple life cycle right now, most people have a USB-C charger already. So, like, you... I would argue regular people have a USPC cable. One. Counterpoint. Yeah, and that's all you need. I could not find a lightning cable in this office this morning. That's because I threw them all out. Really? Why would we need lightning cables?

1:05:54The track pads. Yeah, I'll throw those out too. Also, also. That's lightning? Oh. Yeah. Yeah. All right. I would say that I agree with it. I'm not sure that it's super hot, but I do agree with it. I think it's fair. Yeah. All right. Another take from Ross Han underscore one on threads. We don't need a third camera in phones 90 % of the time. Disagree. First of all, I think it's a cop out to say 90%. I think you got to own this hot take and be like, we don't need a third camera. But okay. He says we don't need a third camera 90 % of the time. Why do you disagree? Because sometimes I need long. Sometimes I need wide.

1:06:32Sometimes I need regular. 90 % of the time, do you need all three? Yeah. i think so marquez commit on your yeah i think i agree with this take i yeah mr zoom lens i would say the 90 is pretty accurate i was i i also recently by the time you watch this was working on my what's on my phone video and i'm a two phone person on my right pocket i have my main phone it's an android phone and on my left pocket i have my secondary phone it's an iphone and for months i've been trying to make the iphone air my secondary phone really months i've been trying to do this and the two things that always hold it back are the camera and the battery i can overcome the battery because i'm maining the other phone i can't overcome the lack of an ultra wide and a telephoto i just can't it's impossible and the one plus 15 i'm maining also has a pretty bad camera so i'm just without good cameras and that's just too much for me you're apparently not alone because the reason that they are shifting production away from the iphone air is because the lack of the second camera is making people not want to buy it yeah i think more than the battery wait i thought you got nine cameras with the iphone air you've got the equivalent of 27 focal length all anecdotally fight back i was so excited that the pixel 10 right the base versions have three cameras now because they haven't every time i take a zoom or an ultra wide picture i hate it yeah i mean it's bad it's just so bad but if you didn't have those cameras wouldn't you be more mad i think i would be upset that i don't have them because i wouldn't be able to take the picture and then realize i'm never going to use that for anything or really like every time you zoom and it's like dang this is not that good of a zoom photo if you didn't have that zoom camera and you zoomed it would be an even worse zoom photo and you'd be more mad unless you give me a good zoom lens because you got rid of the third lens so you just want to just give me two no three yeah who needs two and ultra wide is just for fun you know it's funny there's like a generation where i think that totally changed i saw a i think it was an instagram reel but it's probably a tiktok where there's a kid holding his phone and then there's a photographer who's doing like this really high-end sports photography i saw that too and the kid goes yo switch it to 0.5x and the guy 70 to 200 and he's like no i can't what are you talking about and he's like man there's no 0.5 this thing sucks and he's like this is i can't i can't talk to you i mean if he was at 140 mil and he could just switch it back to 70 and say it was 0.5 yeah i like the ultra wide it is a fun lens but as far as like the one that i need every day i need a regular lens just to like quick take it take a picture and then i need a good zoom lens so you can see things from far away even if it's not a good picture just like to tool for memory as a tool like i need the lens in my opinion the 0.5x is the most pointless camera.

1:09:25I have two very I have two specific thoughts. I think anytime I'm trying to take a good photo I definitely get them out of the zoom way more than the ultra wide but anytime I'm trying to like functionally like take an ultra wide because I need it for this photo it's never about the quality of the photo but I that's when I need an ultrawide i can't fake an ultrawide like i can with a zoom right so yeah also ultrawide is objectively hilarious on the iphone it is bad i want them to make a 0.2 camera like why stop yeah you just put it just put an insta 360 360 cam yeah 360 cam yeah so anyway all right i think this is a reasonable take it's not particularly hot i think we all kind of agree with it but if they'd gone all in and said we don't need three cameras that would have been pretty spicy true all right next take Dennis on threads says wireless charging is overrated you still on that?

1:10:23I can't believe we still talking about this? Because it's right it's not right wireless charging is incredible it's awesome it's overrated is the specific quote I don't think anyone underrated I agree with you I will defend this take I love losing heat you will defend this take I recently I love over heat spending 45 watts to get 27 I recently received as part of my employment at this job, a channel sponsor, channel partner, Ridge Portable Battery Bank, which because of my phone never leaves my side. In fact, it is glommed on to the side of my phone like a remora. Nice. I just love that your iPhone mini has to live with something twice the size of it all the time.

1:11:12It literally looks like a barnacle. It's so funny. That being said, now that I'm charging my phone all the time, I have seen how inefficient wireless charging is because I can either choose the wireless charger or the built-in lightning cable. Yeah. And I thought I was like, oh, yeah, it's just like a little less efficient. You know, no, no. It's like I can, I can, it's the difference between, I'm going to get these numbers wrong, but it feels like the difference between being able to charge my phone twice, like dead to full on the wireless versus like six or seven times with the lightning cable.

1:11:52And it's like now it got to the point where I actually feel bad when I charge my phone wirelessly like that. Because I'm like, I'm just I'm wasting this battery. I'm wasting this lithium. I'm wasting electricity. I'll counterpoint two things to that. One, your phone fucking sucks. Like, why are we comparing it to a phone that dies four times in a single day? Of course it's not going to be beneficial for that. Got it. Two, I don't think anyone is wireless charging for efficiency. It just becomes the placeholder on a desk or a nightstand. It is a thing to just rest a phone on and happens to be charging.

1:12:32And at any point I can just pick it up or put it down without having to undo a wire that is now hanging on my desk or nightstand. falls underneath the bed, falls behind in all my cables. I have one of those mats on my desk at home that has the wireless charger built in. While I'm working at my computer, I just have my phone on it and it just happens to be charging it. Otherwise, I'd just be sitting there. Yes, I could get a cable and do that. God forbid. This is my other thing that Ellis didn't say. The most... Sorry, I'm amped up about this one. I think it comes from four trivia extravaganzas ago where it was like what's things you need in a phone and wireless charging wasn't on it and i'm still salty about it but everyone's always like it just takes one second to plug a phone it's like we are in the tech space where literally every single thing we do is to shave milliseconds off of things i'm sure the person saying you can just plug it in also bought a 50 90 so they can play old school runescape like we are at a level of i am also the person that said recently that the best product Apple has released in the last five years is no, standby mode.

1:13:42Which is part of MagSafe. Yeah, which is a wireless charging feature. So I get that I'm being a little hypocritical here, but I think overrated is acceptable. I just don't think that many people rate it. A lot of people underrate it. People like to hate on it. I overrate the s*** out of it, maybe. I think people rate it because when a phone comes out that doesn't have wireless charging, it's like a knock on it. That's the main thing. I think I'm hypothesizing that this person who is saying wireless charging is overrated does not have or use wireless charging. Agreed. And I think once you have the convenience of wireless charging and then you get rid of it, then you're like, ah, I actually really like wireless charging.

1:14:22But if you never have wireless charging, you look over at the other side of the fence and you're like, just plug in, bro. It's overrated. That's my hypothesis about this. Yeah. Anyway, on my bedside table, I love when I officially stop doom scrolling and go to sleep four hours after I was meant to. I can just like lean over and drop it and then fall asleep instead of like, where's the wire? It's over here. Well, you need the magnets to line up. Yeah, but it's MagSafe. So it just slaps it. That's why MagSafe is awesome because then you never have the... How do they work? It takes me away. When I put this phone on the charger, I go...

1:14:56I mean, there is a case, right? That has Qi Ready. yeah it's a pain it's a it's and your house shakes a little bit yeah and then i wake up and it's 50

1:15:11if that was the case yeah then yeah maybe it's over fair enough all right all right this one might age some of us a little bit uh once secradu on threads says ai is just silicon valley's I don't even know what that's supposed to mean. It's a weird new sentence that I can't believe I'm saying out loud. AI is just Silicon Valley is Libubu. Can someone explain what a Libubu is in like three sentences? It's the little doll. Do you know what Pop Mart is? No. Okay, so Pop Mart is this company in China that sells toys that are primarily delivered via blind boxes. So you buy a box and you don't know which one it is.

1:15:54Libubu, and it's very big in China. It's very big all over Asia. right i don't think i thought it was like more most popular in korea no it's definitely most popular in china um but there is a k-pop group called black pink um they're not it's their k-pop right yeah demon hunters uh called black pink and lisa one of the members of that group i think publicly had a labubu which helped kick off the whole thing but i'm not an expert in any of this stuff but yeah so pop mart is a big chinese toy company they sell lots of different lines of toys that are primarily delivered via blind boxes. La Boo Boo's are the ones that have taken off internationally.

1:16:32Thank you, Ellis, our K-pop correspondent. I can't wait for the comment that's like, it's just so painful hearing these guys try and talk about La Boo Boo's. Based on an artist who grew up with Nordic fairy tales and made some fairy tale books that look like La Boo Boo's. That's what they're based on. So how does this relate to AI? I was just going to say, my only connection that I'm drawing is these are extremely trendy. and maybe AI is extremely trendy. That is what they're going with. I would, I'll do, I'll take it in a different direction. The boo-boos primarily come in blind boxes and a blind box is an experience where you put lots of money into something and then you don't know if it's going to pay off.

1:17:11Damn. And by that logic, I would say AI is definitely the le boo-boo of tech. Everything is gambling. I have another parallel that le boo-boos to those not in that world look pretty silly. and I'll be honest so does talking to a chat bot to a lot of people who are not in this world I rest my case you're absolutely right my girlfriend is having trouble doing this like complicated Microsoft Word formatting thing and I was like do you want to ask my Claude and she shot daggers my Claude yeah I think this is a wonderful analogy and encapsulation and perhaps not a hot take at all perhaps a totally reasonable take alright I'll do one more Camera control is actually very useful.

1:17:59Very useful, you say? It's the most annoying feature Apple has put out in a long time. I use it to open the camera. That is it. That makes it useful. That was exactly what I was going to say. That's what I was going to say. You know what else you could do? You could long press on your screen. You could, but how often do you do that? Well, not now because I have camera control. Exactly. So you're saying you use it? I mean, sure. Making it useful. I would prefer this is a Touch ID button. Wait, hold on. What? button yeah it would that'd be a weird place for it but what are your two long presses on your home screen right now it's flashlight and gemini voice mode those are also mine too so it's not camera anymore i could get rid of the flashlight or i could or you could do the pixel twist you know camera control also okay so you use it to open it the camera is open but once you've opened it do you ever use camera control no then it just slide tone all it ever does is interrupt things yeah accidentally and then i'm like oh 2.3 x horrible image quality yeah that's what i want yeah it sounds like if it was just a button you would be okay with it not a camera button not a capacity i just wanted to be touch id that's all i wanted to be i think this person made it a great flaming hot take by calling it camera control but really all we find useful is the ability to open the camera quickly once you open it the rest of the camera control features are kind of annoying they're they're just in the way i think that a lot of smartphone companies have made like a million ways to open your camera faster well so for the longest time you just double press your power button on like 90 97 of android phones double press power button would always there used to be the iphone has double double tap accessibility is that still it's still a thing okay it doesn't work for me though it's kind of so hit or miss it's kind of finicky but then there would be android phones where they would add a specific camera button that would also be a shutter button like sony phones did this for a little bit i think an lg phone had a custom like a g5 or something back in the day so there would be like a hardware button to open the camera which is cool if you take a lot of pictures yeah um nowadays it's like i kind of still just double tap my power button on most android phones and then on the iphone the action button came along a few years ago and that's what i would map it to open my camera oh yeah action button yeah what the heck there's so many buttons yeah you don't need this button yeah but now it's not a button it's camera control my action button is one thing my camera control button is the camera my two shortcuts on the home screen are two different things i have my flashlight so i got all kinds of customization going on maybe we're back to the customization customization as a non iphone user who's never used camera control i think we have one piece of evidence from someone who knows quite a bit about iPhones of how useful camera control is, and that is Apple, because it seems like they've completely forgotten about camera control.

1:20:44This is also true. They didn't even mention it a single time in the last iPhone announcement. It's because they just one-shotted it right out the gate. It's perfect. You know what's the best indicator that it's not very useful? Oppo in the Find X9 Pro didn't copy it. Did a perfect clone of camera control on their phone, and nobody talks about it or cares because nobody uses it because it's not that useful. Yeah. Because you can still double tap the camera button or double tap the power button to open the camera. What would it have to do to become useful? Like what would make you be like, okay, now this is cool.

1:21:14Not be annoying is what it sounds like. It would have to have more functionality. Like granular, not granular. I don't know what the word is. But like when I swipe and it goes from 0x to 2.2x or whatever, that's annoying to me. If I could have more fine control over just notch me over to 2x, notch me to 4x. if that worked better yeah i would be happier and probably use it a little bit more yeah um but i think it's too late to save itself i think i just use this screen because it's a huge beautiful screen why would i not use the screen yeah decent take wait is it well because it's hot because no one agrees with it exactly yeah it's hot because no one agrees with it but it's decent because we actually all use it to open the camera so it's arguably useful yeah you just make it a regular button, not a capacitive whatever the heck.

1:22:03That's what we really want. Cool. Okay. Well, that was it. Trivia. Trivia, dude. I don't want to argue about this, but I saw a really funny hot take on Twitter this weekend where a bunch of people were talking about nuclear energy and how silly it is that nuclear energy is just a new way to boil water. And the hot take was that it's crazy that humanity essentially one-shotted the best way to generate electricity in the 1700s. and we've just been figuring out slightly better ways to do it since then. Guys, trivia. As I open the trivia document. 1700s? Yeah, the Industrial Revolution. Oh, yeah. The steam engine.

1:22:41The steam engine. Gabe Newell's been cooking for a long time. True. No one? No, I got a steam. And he bought the cruise ship. I mean, the yacht company. Guys, in 1994, if you wanted to go to CompUSA, and buy an Apple Performa 630 CD with a 14-inch monitor and an HP inkjet printer on a Black Friday deal. How much would all that cost? And you have to let me know if you're giving this in 1994 dollars or September 2025 dollars. I don't have a pen. Does anyone know why September 2025 is the last year there's inflation data available? Because they decided to just pretend it doesn't exist. Pretty interesting, huh?

1:23:29Wait, September 2025? September 2025. Right before October 2025. Pretty weird, huh? I just assumed the website's not updated well enough. Oh, because the government shut down. Probably because... Is that why? I was trying to be cheeky and infer. Wow. Read them. Wait, I never said... I guess we're doing Delta because I never said Prices Right rules. Did anyone think we were doing Prices Right rules just in the interest of fairness? I think I... Not unless... Even when we're doing Prices Right, I go Delta anyways. Just because I want to be dead on. We're doing Delta. It's going to be slightly complicated math, but someone read me an answer.

1:24:04I wrote$2025 September. And you wrote$3 ,000. Okay, cool. In 1994 dollars,$700. And I put in 1994 dollars,$294. And the winner is Andrew Manganielli by about$100 off from David. it was two thousand dollars in 1994 dollars so you were 1300 off oh and it was wait it was 30 excuse me 4340 dollars in today close which was 1430 off yeah so yeah you beat david what's the inflation on the delta yeah that's it i mean you shouldn't have to do that i should get the point but yeah the smarter move was to guess the 1994 price because the money smaller smaller delta away from it. That's where my head was at.

1:25:00Strat. Good strat. Good strat. Quick update on the score. Marquez with 10. Andrew with 12 after that correct point. David with 9. I'm catching up. It would be embarrassing if I got passed. It would be a shame if something were to happen to those points. Alright. Aluminum. What's the atomic number? Go. Just visualize the periodic table. Where do you think it is? Aluminum. aluminum the periodic table is in alphabetical order yeah yeah yeah that's why it's periodic do you guys want to hear a fun waveform fact sure is this closest delta sure yeah what did you know that the waveform podcast has .8 mics per host wow that's pretty fun alright flip him and read what do we got we're all exactly even from each other my goal is to not name a number that's not on the periodic table.

1:26:00So we are actually periodic. Yeah. Because I put 12. Okay. And I put 16. Uh-huh. Mine's not periodic? No, we are periodic. No, what's your number? Because we're periodic with a delta of four between us. Oh, 20. 20? Yeah. The correct answer is 13. So the closest is David. David gets the point. I am now getting past. What is 12 to be? Magnesium. It's 12. Well, anyway, that's been it for this week. And all of our hot takes and airdropping various files between Android phones and Macs and iPhones. It's been a really good time. Let us know what you think in the comments. But, of course, make sure you're one of the people who subscribe before we get to 500 ,000.

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