Apple Announces New M4 Macs!

32:18Yes. I think it made sense for them to make this a press release system because everything is basically based around the chips. And so it would be hard to do a whole event where they just talk about the same chip, but in like three different devices. Yeah, and his point of it being what could have been an event, but just cut up. The reason that would be hard is because they zoomed into the exact same little hot hole part on every single video, I think. So that would have been a little weird. but I overall agree with what you both said. And it keeps the hype up all week for a number of products.

32:54Like each day, people are talking about a different product from Apple. I think that was a good move by then. Yeah, so why don't we just go through all the different announcements and we can go through it based on the day that they were announced. Sure. Cool. So iMac was Monday. I'm for Chip was the biggest update. People are talking about the colors, which is kind of funny. At work, it said all new colors and one person was like the green is new and someone else was like the purple's new and then we were reading the press release for so long trying to figure out which one was new until we found this like comparison photo that basic apple guy posted of like they all are new they're just they're pretty much a little different except for the silver yes exactly it's the same right i think it's the same all of them are but it's hard because i are they all muted i would say they're more pastel yeah they're more pastel than they were before i do really like the green the green is very cool i think that in a elementary school it would look fire man this is like my old computer lab in elementary school with all the g3 yeah i'm actually yeah we had those too amazing okay so um obviously it got the m4 chip it is now standard with 16 gigabytes of memory configurable up to 32 gigabytes um obviously marquez talked about 16 gigs of memory across the board being a big deal and they even start all the macbook airs now at 16 gigs when you buy them online for like the same price um the same same base price which is good obviously apple is trying to push everything towards apple intelligence and you need more memory for that yeah they said specifically on this imac it's the world's best all-in-one for ai and is built for apple intelligence okay we're gonna hear a lot about that for the next year probably so i wrote down in here and maybe we can read through them and yeah but the press release and the like the video just had the most interesting comparison performance comparisons i've seen and i just kind of quoted a bunch of them because some of them are silly and it's it like shows us where we are performance wise but also just feels a little silly yeah so i'll read some of them and you can react to what they are.

35:04The new iMac is up to 1.7 times faster than iMac with M1. Yeah. There wasn't M2 and an M3 iMac, right? There was an M3. There was an M3 and M2. But the funny thing is that, I mean, not the funny, it kind of makes sense for them to do this because you don't upgrade your home desktop computer that often. Agreed. Especially, why would you upgrade from an M1 to an M4? Agree, but it is still funny that they're not also, they very well could have put 1.7 times faster than iMac with M1 and they could have put like, and still 20 % faster than iMac with M3. So we have an idea between those. But I also do agree.

35:39Marketing. Marketing. iMac with M4 handles more intense workloads like photo editing and gaming up to 2.1 times faster than iMac with M4. They did make a big deal about the gaming stuff. That's a big movement. That's a big market that they're trying to capture. They've been, you know, they now have the gaming adaptive like converter thing that basically can make your game run well on Metal. And I think they're trying to talk to a lot of studios to get them to do it. They talked a lot about this game Control, which I saw at the event had a bunch of stations set up so you could play it. So, yeah.

36:16Cool. Neural Engine is three times faster than iMac on M1. There is up to 1.7 times faster performance in apps like Excel and 1.5 times faster browsing performance in Safari compared to iMac with M1. What do either of those things mean tangibly? The only thing I can think of with Excel is have you seen the Excel games, like the pro Excel players, where they get a list of all these things, like delete all the green columns and they do it as fast as possible. David Pierce did an amazing piece on the Excel World Championships. Really? Yes. He went to it. Did he really? A video or a newsletter? I think it's just an article.

36:57I need to read that. But it's amazing. Awesome. Gamers can enjoy incredibly smooth game pay with two times higher frame rates than iMac with M1. The theme here is they're comparing to M1. Yeah. This is my favorite. Compared to the most popular 24-inch all-in-one PC with latest Intel Core 7 processor, the new iMac is up to 4.5 times faster. That's so ambiguous. It is wild. The most popular 24, what are they referring to? Most popular 24-inch all-in-one PC. with i7 they just say intel core 7 intel core 7 what they obviously but what is the what is the most popular i don't who knows the most popular one could be the most popular because it's cheap and has there are not that many all-in-one intel computers no i like when i think of all-in-ones i think do they even make the microsoft studio anymore the surface and they don't make the newest they don't make the two well they do they do still make it i think i think they still make it but it's insanely outdated dell makes an inspiran i7 and lenovo makes a idea center i7 it seems like hp also has an i7 i'm sure yeah which to me to me that says about a corporation bought a hundred thousand of them which is like the absolute base yeah updated in years yeah um i just also thought this was funny because i think it was literally last episode so we were talking about the apple graphs and like how it compares poorly to like random windows and someone's like they never compare to windows laptop or windows computers it's only ever past mac things and then immediately yeah um and they have in the past i know they also do they do both but they always throw one shot of a completely unmarked graph right compared to a computer we have no idea what yeah yeah um and then compared to the most popular intel-based imac model the new iMac is up to six times faster.

38:50I actually think that's a great quote because they're probably, I think, you know how you said, not a lot of people are updating from M3 to M4, but even as a desktop computer, the M1 to M4 upgrade is very quick. I think most people using a desktop use that for probably closer to 10 years. So comparing it to Intel-based iMacs, this is a wildly different and six times faster is awesome. Yeah, that's a pretty big deal. They also added this nanotexture option, which they added across the line. We'll get to the MacBook Pro later. But it's$200 on the iMac and$150 on the MacBook Pro, which this all makes things very funny because the Pro Display XDR, which by the way, still needs an update.

39:35It's very old now. It's$1 ,000 to add it on the Pro Display. Is it really? Yes. Oh my goodness. So it's kind of funny that it's like, okay, well, this isn't that much smaller, and it's only$200. So, yeah. They're clearly overcharging for the Pro Display XDR. I mean, that display is so expensive. And it's not even an OLED. It's, like, still, you know. So, anyway. It's perfect. Yeah. Quick question. Yeah. Do you have anything else about iMac? Basically, just the accessories. Oh, we did kind of talk about the rumor that they're all moving to USB-C. Yes. We got confirmation that the magic mouse is still on the bottom, which I think we've gotten to a point now.

40:15The port. Sorry, the USPC port is still on the bottom. I think we've gotten to the point because Marquez tweeted about it that now people are like, why are you still harping on it? It's we like the magic mouse now. So maybe we like the magic mouse now. I mean, how far deep we are down this rabbit hole. We've come full circle now. That objectively bad design is like, OK, it's fine. Whatever. I don't. I don't know. It's funny. it's a funny thing because you because you can't use your mouse when it's dead but like ellis has mentioned previously if you just wait five minutes it'll be charged for as long as you need to use your computer and then just charge it i just want to throw in there like how many tech products could you say just wait five minutes and it'll work and you wouldn't be upset with that that's fair i think almost every tech product we're in a point where five minutes is an excruciatingly long time um but i still yeah yeah so they updated the magic mouse and magic keyboard with usbc which is thank goodness because now i don't have to borrow a usbc to lightning cable from adam every single time i need to charge my stuff but what about the magic trackpad did they update that did it not say anything about that um oh they do have a usbc magic trackpad okay good okay that's actually one that i do want because i don't use the mouse or keyboard but i do use the trackpad and I have one lightning port for that.

41:36So they have a ton of colors for the mouse and keyboard 2 to match the Max. So it's pretty nice. And then I think they also, you get four Thunderbolt 4 ports on the computer. Okay, was it two before? Two Thunderbolt and two USB-C? Do you remember? I'll look it up while Ellis is about to say something. I just want to say two things. one random mid-episode trivia oh oh how long does it take to charge a magic mouse to have five hours five hours five minutes of usable time or excuse me well you know I'll give it the benefit of four hours how long does it take to get four hours of magic mouse usage from dead three minutes wrong one minute it takes 60 seconds yeah if you cannot stop what you're doing that means you get two hours and 30 seconds.

42:32The only people that are complaining about this, I'm sorry, I'm sorry if I offend you, you're gamers. You're gamers. And you know what you gamers deal with? You open your stupid Call of Duty and you see, oh, oh God. That's a 70 gigabyte update. Sorry, boys, I'll see you tomorrow. That's fine. But all of a sudden I gotta wait one minute. But Tim Cook does use a Logitech MX Master. I have a Logitech MX Master. There are plenty of times, once every two months, sure, where I come in in the morning and it's dead. And all I need to do is plug it in and I can keep using it. I can just go about my day.

43:08I don't need to wait 60 seconds. I know, but okay, here's the thing. I love the Logitech MX Master. I use it so often. That is a poorly designed product. It's great, but no one ever... I just want to say, I dislike the MX Master. Problem number one, it's only rated to a million clicks per button. That is so much less than every other competitor. Number two, we all know the MX Master is made of plastic that only lasts two weeks. Number three, the terrible MX Master customization software doesn't allow or statements. Or excuse me, it doesn't allow and statements. So you can, in the logic controls, you can only set two macros to do the exact same thing.

43:48You can't set a command to go in. That thing is designed terribly. And no one is out here being like, oh, the logic. No. So everyone can shut up. Okay, quick fact check, 10 million clicks. 10 million clicks, yes, but it is noticeably worse than most other mice. I think it's rated for 10 million clicks, but I think Logitech has a notorious problem for mice getting double clicking issues. Because I know on one of the GPros that happened with it as well. I just want to say, if we were not allowed to overreact about the most minuscule issues, this podcast would not exist. That is what this is for.

44:28We totally understand 99 % of the stuff that comes out of our mouth is super mundane. I also want to say I do love the magic mouse. It's a great mouse, but continue. And Tim Cook, don't move that port. You're paying our salaries, man. The magic mouse. We're going to have to come up with a whole new bit. with that one it was really about the design is it really 10 million did I read did I miss a zero when I was reading the data sheet yesterday yeah because I was I was going deep into this okay wait wait can I ask one more question to finish iMac yeah what color iMac would you put in your kitchen if you had to pick the pictures again dude the new yellow is ugly the old yellow was like a burnt orange and it was great Well, that's probably the problem with the yellow is that it's better described as orange.

45:24No, I mean, the old yellow was orange. Yeah, that's what I mean. Oh, yeah. I mean, in my kitchen, you're not going to see the back of the computer. It's got on the front, though. The chin is the same color. And the stand. Or similar. I would say maybe the pink. Pink's nice. I think I would, mine would be yellow or green because my kitchen's either green paint or like tan cabinets. Yeah. I do like pretty much all the color swaps except for the yellow. because I liked the burnt orange. Anyway, yeah, I'm very glad that everything is now USB-C. Does that make everything in Apple's lineup USB-C now?

45:59Does that complete the circle? I'm sure there's something. I mean, there's still the... Still out there. I think they still sell the AirPods. They still sell them, but I know what you mean. You're saying are all the updated things. No, I'm just saying it's everything Apple makes all USB-C. Like everything new that they make? Yeah. Oh, AirPods. Oh, no, AirPods Pro have USB-C. I mean, hand-press-max have USB-C now, even though that's all they did to them. Does the Apple TV remote have USB-C? No, that is... Well, actually, I don't know. Good question. Anyway, let's move on, even though this is the USB-C podcast.

46:35Let's talk about the Mac Mini Tuesday. This was the biggest kind of controversy on threads, which I find really hilarious because it's not that big of a deal. In my opinion... Okay. I think our office is divided. Are we really? Jesus. Okay. Mac mini, smaller than before, but also taller. So that's kind of the weird thing. It's sort of like they squeezed it really hard and all went into the center. And it's like Play-Doh, you know, it's like. That was such a great description. Thank you. That's how I was feeling about it. It's five inches by five inches and it's two inches tall. It's pretty much the size of two magic mice put right next to each other in width.

47:17Wait, can we talk about what we think of the physical redesign of it? The size? Yeah. I feel like you said that's the most controversial thing. No, that's not the most controversial thing. Oh, okay. The controversial thing is the power button. Okay, okay, yeah, sorry. Can we talk about what we think of size? That's what I mean. I think we're divided on. Oh, okay, I see. I am team new design. Okay. But you're team old design, right? I like that it's smaller in footprint, but I do like the flatter one better because it can act as a stand. Yeah, I think, Ellis, your team knew. Yeah, I'm team knew.

47:53I think cutting out, you know, I used to look at the old Mac Mini and I was like, damn, there's about 600 cubic centimeters that just don't need to be here. They did for Intel chips because they needed cool. No, it was a joke. But no, I do really like the new redesign. I think like it looks better on a desk. It does look better. I agree. I do think it looks better. I do think it looks better. But I like the older one because it was more practical for me. And I said this when we were talking about it in the studio. Like my personal setup, I like hiding things under other things. And because it was so like low to the desk, it was easier to like slip under something.

48:32I think in like depending on how you put this on your desk, where the real estate is on your desk, you will like it or dislike it because if you have a bunch of stuff and you don't care about the height as much then this new one's obviously better but if you have a shelf like you have a grove made shelf right sliding it under that makes so much more sense or do people with mac minis do they ever like attach them to the bottom side of a desk i've seen some youtube setups where they have like a little stand not a stand uh racket type of thing like they like mount it then the old one's way better for that because it's not taking up as much you don't need the real estate down there so you're losing less horizontal real estate more vertical real estate yeah exactly yeah i mean i think it looks pretty nice it's uh fairly close to an apple tv the apple tv console is i think like three point i pulled it up here uh it is 3.66 inches and by 1.2 whereas the mac mini is five inches by two inches okay so it's pretty close it's pretty close um yeah let's go through the specs of it really quickly so obviously redesigned you have two usbc ports in the front but they are limited to uh 10 gigabit per second so they're not thunderbolt i believe yeah they're not thunderbolt uh and then there's a headphone jack in the front you get ethernet hdmi the wall socket port and then three usbc in the back and what's very interesting about this as well as the MacBook Pros that we will talk about shortly is that the three USB-C in the back are Thunderbolt 4 unless you get the M4 Pro, in which case they're Thunderbolt 5.

50:07And Thunderbolt 5 is very, very new. The spec only got released a year ago. There's only a few devices out right now that are Thunderbolt 5. And I wrote down some things about Thunderbolt 5 that we can talk about shortly. Default RAM is now 16 gigabytes, just like every other Apple product here, which is nice. Starts at$599, which I think like marquez said in the video i think the base mac mini is probably the best value computer right now but what's insane about that is that every other option that they sell is a bad value so as you go through the purchasing page the default one has the m4 chip with 10 core cpu 10 core gpu 16 core neural engine uh has all these you know thunderbolt 4 16 gigs of ram but it only has 256 gigs of storage and then that's 599 to go up to the next tier which the only thing that is different is 512 gigs of storage so they just add 256 gigs of storage it's 200 extra so then it's it's 800 bucks to get that and then what yeah i know it's 200 for less than a terrible for 256 gigs it's ridiculous and then if you move up to the next tier which is a thousand dollars which is almost double the price you just get 24 gigs of ram as well as the so that's 512 and 24 sorry um yeah as well as the 512 gigabytes of storage so that's another 200 dollars just to move up to 24 gigs of ram from the 16 gigs of ram which is crazy expensive like that's ridiculous i i was thinking like you should buy a baseline mac mini you can literally i looked this up you can buy a two terabyte external hard drive with thunderbolt for like 160 dollars and it's two terabytes but then you lose a thunderbolt bus yeah just put it in the back well there's thunderbolt four in the back there is quinn was saying i know but then you only have one thunderbolt left on the whole computer no there's three thunderbolt in the back oh are they on separate buses or are they all on one bus because that that is like a huge they're Probably on separate buses, I would guess.

52:20Because it can support three displays. So, yeah. Anyway, I mean, look, I just think it's crazy how much they're charging for the additional ones. And then M4 Pro is$1 ,400, which, yeah, you're getting the 12-core CPU, 16-core GPU. You're getting much more memory bandwidth, 273 gigabytes per second of memory bandwidth. with um you can configure it up to a 20 core gpu and a 14 core cpu uh up to 64 gigabytes of ran and eight terabytes of storage but the benefit the big probably one of the biggest benefits of the m4 pro chip is that you get thunderbolt 5 which is like a pretty big deal what is thunderbolt yeah i was just gonna say can you explain this to me let's talk about that because i don't get it okay so thunderbolt 5 is quite a bit better than thunderbolt 4 the spec only dropped about a year ago and there's only a few devices that can do it right now thunderbolt 5 can do up to 120 gigabits per second of bandwidth whereas thunderbolt 4 can only do 40 gigabits per second so it's a pretty big difference the actual rated spec is 80 gigabits per second but it can reach 120 if it sacrifices receiving speed okay so it's only like it's only going to do 80 if you're pulling and you're also pushing data but if you're just pulling data it can do 120 gigabits per second which is really crazy it can do three 4k displays at 144 hertz or up to a 540 hertz display or two 8k displays which is pretty nuts um yes thunderbolt 5 also ups the power delivery so thunderbolt 4 could do up to 140 watts of power but thunderbolt 5 they have to deliver at least 140 watts of power and they can go up to 240 watts of power so there are thunderbolt 5 docks that are dropping on the market right now that are just finally starting to come out this can be very beneficial if you're pushing around a lot of data really quickly if you know that you want to jump on to thunderbolt 5 ssds external ssds the thing is uh you got to pay 1400 bucks to get that so it kind of depends what you're looking for that is so much money there's you know when i first read all this i was super excited because if there's a lot of like small business and media like live media there's a lot of applications where you need a lot of displays and that's always been something that mac is less good at than pcs because with a pc you can just put in more pcie cards and just get more display controllers so i was really stoked to be like oh my god like if you own a barbershop i don't know and you have got four displays that you want custom stuff on like now you could do that with one port but man dude 1400 yeah 1400 it's crazy because i again think the 600 mac mini is like the best value computer out right now yeah because the m the regular m4 will do basically anything anyone wants cannot can i ask a a newbie question as someone who's never owned a mac mini before i've also never yeah i don't know anyone here but you can ask it anyway you have we've used them at work all right does the power cable uh is it just like an edison k or just a cable that goes from the computer straight into the wall so the power supply is inside that little chassis i'm assuming so there is no power there's no power exactly okay wacky that's crazy that's crazy they fit that in there yeah that's pretty wild uh okay now we got to get to the most controversial part of this computer which is that they put the power button on the bottom guys it doesn't matter I don't think this matters I think it matters on front bottom or back bottom back bottom there's a graphic of someone just like kind of reaching around you can fit your finger underneath it the problem with it at first I was like this isn't an issue but being on the back Mac minis are so good because of the stuff you can like put around them like shelves or you can like slide them inside of shelves very easily.

56:35And if you're all plugged in tight and cable managed in the back and you can't reach through a shelf to get to that and you can't pull it out now because it's managed so well, then what do you have like a little poker or something? But the Mac Mini, the old Mac Mini still had the power button on the back of it. So it was still hard to read. Yeah, fair. Yeah, why did they? I just always thought the buttons looked nice on the Mac Mini. despite them being on the face of it because they were etched in almost and super flush with it and it just worked really well. Yeah, I guess it was on the back. People have been yelling about this a lot.

57:10I don't know. Personally, I'm like, I don't ever turn off my computer unless it freezes or glitches in a weird way. I think you should turn your computer off more often. Really? Yeah. Why? I think it's, I don't know the exacts of it, but I'm pretty sure it's good practice to fully turn a computer off. Sometimes I have to. Every once in a while. No, no, no. But the thing is, that's a really complicated myth that has way too many asterisks to give a simple statement. That's sort of what I feel. That's what podcasts are for, baby. I think that's true. So like on a Windows PC, if you hit restart and restart your computer, it will clear all of the system states and you will get like clean cache.

57:55Like that is good. If you hit shut down or press the power button on a Windows PC, it will save the system states for a quicker reboot the next time. So actually the difference on a PC between shutting down your PC and sleeping your PC is pretty much the exact same. It does negligible to making your computer run faster, clearing anything. You have to do a full restart. On a Mac, it's a little bit more complicated, but I do know Apple computers hate it when you shut them down with a power button. like like they run so many more processes and they clean up so much faster when you do restart from the apple drop down menu so i think really yeah i think them putting the power button in the back was them being like yo don't touch that yeah i mean the only time that you actually need to do it is if you have to force shut it off yeah i don't i just want to be clear i'm not saying turn things off by holding the power button okay i've just meant but on most like because users prioritize a fast load time now.

58:59I need to research if it's true on Mac too, but I know on most computers, if you shut down a computer, it won't clear the cache, it won't clear the RAM. It is effectively the same as sleeping it. If you restart a computer... Those are different things? Restart and shut down? Yes, and restart is the one that makes you, that you would think shutdown does. They don't just do the same thing? No. On Windows, you can go into the settings and tell it to turn off the like i think the settings called like quick boot or something like that um yeah but yeah no restarting is definitely better just shutting down i often have to restart my computer before i play dota um i'm not sure why but if i like launch dota after i've been using my computer for a while or and there's a bunch of applications open and stuff it just like won't load in the mouse texture it won't load in a lot of random stuff but if i restart it everything's fine um so yeah it's weird i do that but i've also played dota on my macbook pro try which a lot of people don't hitting instead of restart shut down and then booting your computer up and see if it works i mean the restart works fine i know no no but then call me so i know i'm more i'm more curious if it doesn't work oh got it got it listener at home if you're having an issue call ellis for all of your it needs yeah but i don't i mean personally i'm like this is a home computer similar to the iMac that you never really need to turn off.

1:00:23I saw a lot of people talking about like, oh I turn off my computer every day and I was like, whoa that's wild. I didn't know people still did that but you know, if you can do you and I will not shame you for it, however you don't really need to do that most of the time. I think it's more so like the situation that Andrew was saying. I agree with that. Where like if you have to like force shut down your computer now you just can't reach the button. If you built it around something that makes it hard to reach the arvon and I understand that. But I also totally agree that it's so minimal and those situations you probably could just like undo a cable tie and pull it out a little bit, press it and throw it back in.

1:01:00Yeah, right. Totally. Andrew, what are you doing? We need to yell about something. Listen, now I'm worried we're going to get yelled at for yelling about things. No, I mean, come on. That happens every week. Yeah, it happens every week. What are you talking about? Yeah, so again, probably the best value computer you can buy right now in the standard in the cheapest form and a very expensive it makes me really mad that they have different thunderbolts based on which spec you get i just really hate when apple does this like yeah i i get like yeah pay more to get a storage upgrade pay more to get this upgrade but don't like lock something behind yeah because they've done this in the past with uh wasn't it like storage speeds were different based on what spec you got of a macbook pro uh or was it a macbook air i don't remember it was something where like it was the air if you didn't get the higher storage yeah oh right yeah because they because they used a single nand chip instead of two and when you have two chips they can read and write in parallel so they're faster yeah also something i don't like about all of the macbook the mac minis here is that usbc on the front the two ports on the front are limited to USB 3 speeds, which sucks because if you're like a creator and you're like passing off a lot of storage, if you want to get the fastest read and write speeds, you have to hook it up in the back.

1:02:21And if you're someone that, you know, builds stuff around it and it's hard to reach the back. Why do you need to put anything on an SSD when you can just airdrop it? You don't love airdropping terabytes of footage? As someone who, when I went to Glacier National Park, took a ton of ProRes ProRes log footage. By accident? No, on purpose. I have no idea how to get this footage onto my computer. I've tried airdropping it. I've tried connecting my phone directly to my computer. We tried burning it. I tried burying it. But in the end, I decided to just throw it all away. No, I still have it. And I still want to edit it.

1:03:01I just don't know how to get it on my freaking computer. Wait, which iPhone do you have? 16 Pro Max. so you can plug a hard drive directly into your phone um yes but yes i tried yeah i don't know i haven't done that yet i'll do it i don't know if you go it's just annoying because like why can't i plug it i plugged my computer directly into it and it still didn't really want to work you're being too needy oh my god is that yeah okay just look uh yeah they should put thunderbolt ports on the front because that's the area that you're going to want to put a thunderbolt at least one because that's where you're going to want to connect your SSDs to.

1:03:34I agree. Okay, MacBook Pros, there is a baseline M4 MacBook Pro just like there was previously. They also added an additional USB-C slash Thunderbolt port to the right side of it. Whoa. So the cheapest one didn't have as many Thunderbolt ports, USB-C ports, but now this one does, which is awesome. Very cool. They now rolled out the space black color to all the models of the MacBook Pro. They only had it on, I believe, the M3 Pro and Max MacBook Pros previously. Now also, the 16-inch now starts at 24 gigs of RAM for the same old price, which is very cool. Although the 14 still starts at 16 gigabytes.

1:04:19Not really sure why. The M4 Pro and M4 Max computers now come with all Thunderbolt 5 ports, which is awesome. is awesome but again not in the 14 inch uh which i guess is like this is the different no the 14 inch has it has thunderbolt 5 yeah i think so let me double this is thunderbolt they added a thunderbolt 4 port on the right on the cheapest on the cheapest one the regular m4 you're right yeah i was talking about m4 pro and m4 max but that still means the regular m4 doesn't have thunderbolt 5 so it's the same thing they did with the okay right but i think it's because the chip probably can't support it.

1:04:58Okay. Yeah, because they made the M4 chip a long time ago. And I just want to say it's interesting that Apple is supporting a new spec so early. They do that occasionally. They supported USB-C very early. But yeah, it's cool seeing them support Thunderbolt 5 so early because there's one external hard drive out right now that supports Thunderbolt 5. So, very cool. And I like that all of the ports on the M4 Pro and M4 Max are Thunderbolt 5. I think that's really cool they have new 12 megapixel webcams that can now do center stage and desk view do you think they're any good though um they're probably as good as the one on this one which is i mean at least it's 1080p right i mean remember when all the yes all the macbook webcams are 720 yeah so i think it's cool that pretty much all the cameras on all of the mac products now can like do center stage i think it's cool it also has that desk view mode where it basically skews and you can see directly in front of you.

1:05:55Looks down like a top tone. Yeah, which is interesting because there's going to be a lot of keyboard. But we'll see how wide that can actually get. You can also now get the nanotexture display on the MacBook Pros for$150. I think the chances that people buy the nanotexture on the MacBook Pros is much higher than them buying it on the iMac. Totally agree. Because creatives are probably going to want that anti-glare, you know, that kind of thing. I mean, anti-glare on a portable computer. makes a lot of sense it's pretty cool yeah yeah pretty cool um they said 2x faster ray tracing engine and neural engine and faster gpu cores uh yeah i think oh also they now have the new longest battery life on any mac that isn't plugged into the wall and they're quoting 24 hours of battery life on the regular 14 inch m4 model as well as the 16 inch macbook pro did they say 24 hours or did they say one day 24 hours that's different yeah all day battery life yeah yeah i feel like to say more than all day i feel like 24 hours battery life is significantly different than what i assume all day battery yeah i mean this is probably video playback right yeah which is like the easiest thing to do now because true but still which also makes now every time they say all day the fact that they are aware of the fact that they say all day and 24 hours because those are not the same right right but yeah this is a much bigger update than the m2 to m3 pro and max macbook pros because you're now getting that bumped up ram on the 16 inch you're getting the option for the nanotexture display you're getting thunderbolt 5 all around it you're getting the extra port and you're getting center stage and desk view so just like marquez mentioned I still don't think anyone needs to update from an M1 Pro or M1 Max MacBook Pro because the design is pretty much exactly the same.

1:07:50Unless you need ray tracing. It's 2x faster ray tracing, yes. No, there's no ray tracing on the M1. Oh, on the M1, yeah. Or M2. Right, right. Yeah, but you don't need ray tracing. Well, if you needed ray tracing, you shouldn't have bought the M1. Well, yeah, like if you're like a blender artist. Yeah. You know what I mean? Right. Yeah. Um, yeah. I have one thing to say about okay cool which is i feel seen because on apple's like website page for the new macbook pro one of the application examples is my favorite software derivatives touch designer baby it's in their representation i was actually thinking it kind of felt like apple made all the examples yes i was just for our studio there's the teenage engineering one there's one that's Adam's exact setup.

1:08:40My same headphones, my same little sampler machine. Teenage engineering. Yeah. There was one designer for Ellis. Touch designer for Ellis. There was, there was one that was Brandon's setup where it had like a notebook with like specifically drawn out scenes. Beautiful sketches and everything. Yeah. It was for the, I believe the programmer or the coder example in there. It was like a game designer. I think. Something like that. But yeah, it looks like Brandon's notebook. And then there was a gamer one, which is like, you know, Alex or, or me, maybe. I don't know. Or no one cuts it back with a Corsair keyboard, and I've never seen that happen in my life.

1:09:13That was funny. Did you guys see the disc golf one? It was crazy. They had this disc golf Taco Bell axolotl example. Axolotl. Yeah. Yeah. So that's pretty much it. But I think it was a good idea for them to kind of spread it over the week, and I think that these are good computers. I think like the way we kind of rolled through this is the perfect example of why it should have been spread out through the week because each new release is basically the 50 % of the release was the exact same thing. Which is them for Chip. I kind of like this. I wish more companies would do that. Just have like a whole week of announcements.

1:09:52Like going back to like the Nintendo thing. Yeah. They've just had like three or four weeks of straight bangers every week just dropping something new. And it's just fun. I like it. I wish people would do this more instead of like one event one day. It's fun for like online discourse as well, because then we can all talk about one product for a day rather than like an event happens and people are complaining about this one thing and the people are talking about the other thing. It's like it's hard to keep track of all of that where you can kind of see how people are reacting to a singular product for 24 hours.

1:10:22Totally. For all day battery life. And it's good for them, too. Yeah. For all day battery life. OK, so we're going to get all these devices in very soon. So I'm sure we're going to drop some reviews on the main channel. but until then let's kick it to trivia baby

1:10:40for some reason uh after updating to sequoia uh the roadcaster and my computer are just like there's a delay or something well the lights just like don't even work anymore my computer actually doesn't even see the roadcaster anymore so we'll get to the bottom of that Ghost broadcast. It's a ghost broadcast. Oh, spooky. Anyway, here's Adam. So we've been speaking about Nintendo a lot this episode, and it is also Halloween today, the day of recording. Let's go. It is? I just came to work like this. Anyway, there are a lot of enemy characters in the Mario series, like Koopa Troopa. That's right. Goomba.

1:11:21And of course, everyone's favorite, Piranha Plus Plant. Piranha Plant. piranha plant piranha plant plus pro max ultra ultra but there is also a ghost enemy what is that ghost name i want the full name yeah it's easy boo regard q kazoo that was his father correct yeah that's mr boo regard to you yeah no one get that reference here No. So there's a full name for Boo? Yep, a full name. The full government. What's on his photo ID? Does his royal title have to be included in his full name? Okay, that's important. Oh. Oh. King Boo. Dr. Boo. Dr. Professor Mario Boo. The second. We'll be right back.

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1:13:46Speed up your hiring with a$75 sponsored job credit at Indeed.com slash podcast. Terms and conditions apply. Welcome back. For those of you out there that want to be the very best that no one ever was, Nintendo has something very special for you this week. They announced Pokemon Trading Card Game Pocket Edition. Play the music, Adam. There we go. Okay. Just want to know, when I was in high school, I freaking loved Pokemon Trading Card Game Online. online so i'm very excited to get into this i made an account but i have not yet had a lot of time to play it so i'm going to throw it over to adam because he has had more time to play it and i think he can explain it a little bit better yeah so this game just dropped it's a mobile app on apple and on android android uh app stores thank you yeah um basically it is a card collecting game so you can battle other people so like you could share your friend id and everything and like I could battle David eventually I have a couple friends from the interwebs that have added me already so once I unlock it because you unlock that at level three you are able to battle other players which is cool but the main point of this game to me at least is just like the beautiful aesthetics and the card collecting feature of this it's like every 12 hours you get a booster pack so you could just unwrap it and the way you unwrap it is really cool it's like the booster pack pops up on the screen and there's like a highlighted part of the top of the pack that you have to swipe your finger across like rip it open tear it open yeah it's a really cool animation it's so cool and then it shows like each card one by one and then the last card's a special card and there's different like probabilities that you'll get a rare card and all this stuff and like i think the aesthetics of this game are just like so pretty incredible they like they take everything that everyone has learned in mobile app development for the last decade and just threw it out the window and did nintendo yeah it's so awesome it's so cool it sounds like cool i mean like opening packs like all sorts of different trading cards is still like such a big thing you get the same like brain like feeling that you get when you're actually opening a real pack yeah but it's free it's just like it's it's a game so it's free but you can buy more packs yeah and there are there's a premium tier i think like a subscription you could do if you want that you'll get two booster packs per day because basically you get a free booster pack every 12 hours so that's automatically yeah automatically so that's kind of what i've been doing i've just been waiting 12 hours then you unwrap the next one wait sorry i'm just confirming automatically means for just even if you're but like you're not even in the app at all like you don't have to log on to the app after 12 hours and claim it so if you go to sleep for 24 hours you'll wake you'll if you don't open it for 24 hours mac macbook pro for 24 hours and then it dies oh i don't know so is it like unwrapping it every 12 hours so i don't know if i don't do it for 24 hours if it'll if you'll just have two If I'll have two, yeah.

1:16:37I doubt it. So you do have to claim them. I would imagine. Well, I was going to say the difference between that is actually being able to log in at the 12-hour exact times. Then it starts turning into like you're not really getting two a day because now you've like missed a four-hour period. So now it's like one a day. But then like I could just not log in for a week and then unwrap like 50. Yeah, it sounds awesome. That math checks out. Don't check it. So a very cool thing about this game is that they have all of these really awesome effects. So rare cards have this incredible parallax effect and they kind of shine and have these sparkles.

1:17:11And it's like, it's so good. It's so well done. It's like, it's, it doesn't just look like, oh, there's 2D sparkles. It really feels like immersive. It's like the same kind of like excitement when you would like open up a holographic card. A holo card. Yeah. They really thought about that. And then there are also these really cool immersive cards. Which I have not gotten yet. No. Well, when you get one, it basically like zooms into the card and it shows this whole world that's developed in the exact same art style. yeah it's so nice yeah and i think they did a good job of like the rollout at least in my opinion because like you open up the app and you're going through like tutorial hell basically for the first like 10 minutes but they give you so many packs so you're just like getting hooked oh when you start yeah when you first start and i'm pretty sure that yesterday at the time of listening for people that are listening to this um i'm pretty sure yesterday they did a special like everyone that i've seen that's unwrapped cards today has gotten a special card.

1:18:01So I got like a shiny Snorlax thing. Holographic? Yeah. Oh wait, is it a different color? I don't know if it was shiny Snorlax or holographic. Oh, that's a good point. No, it was a regular Snorlax but I don't think it was holographic. It was just like a special card. Like a GX version? Or a special illustration. Or DX or whatever. So in all of those, I might be wrong here, but from what I understand about most trading cards is essentially a specific spot in each booster pack is like dedicated as like the rare or uncommon card which doesn't always mean it's a holographic it just means that in general every pack gets one card that's more maybe that's just uncommon so yeah you're either getting like an uncommon or a rare but then like inside of those rares there are different levels of rarity so like the charizard that everyone wants is like the most rare that's what i was just gonna say rich got that yeah rich got a charizard yeah he already got a charizard someone else got them youtube online so it's like no i got a snorlax snorlax yeah didn't you do a a story and you got i didn't arrowhawk oh that was the first that was the first marowak is that it marowak the first pack i did yeah that was it i didn't un i didn't do anything i set up my account and i haven't unboxed any packs and that was it yeah i need to do that i'm very excited uh yeah i mean nintendo's on fire this week they're on fire that's what i'm saying i'm very excited for this game a lot of people are going to spend a lot of money on this game it is very funny to be clear is there a trading market ah i doubt it question i doubt it because i feel like it's gonna feel weird if i feel like there should be a trading market but i hope there's no monetary trading market which means if there's any trading market they'll turn into one anyways i don't think they would do that because it's just gambling at that point yeah that's the problem because like i'm pretty sure in counter-strike with skins it didn't cost money in the game but then the third party markets online would set up transactions trading is coming soon is what it says in the app but can you sell probably not probably not yeah you probably probably not in that but there will be a way to figure that out oh true pokemon go lottery.com yeah they'll figure it out yeah what's his face is coming back yeah but yeah this whole this whole app is awesome dear listeners Let us know what special edition Pokemon you got in your first day of playing this game.

1:20:23And that's about it. So let's take it to trivia, baby. Can I have a spooky whiteboard? I'll give you a ghost board. The glass breaking confuses me every time I have a marker. No, that's not. I just break glass every time. Oh, under the table. Over the table. Wow. Over the garden table. Nice. I don't get it. Nice. Question number one, the most polarizing and delicious Halloween candy, candy corn, was invented in the 1880s and originally sold as the candy version of what common farm animals feed? I'm looking for what farm animal? What was it called without the name of the farm animal? Blank feed.

1:21:05Blank feed. Cat. Man, I wish my lighting cue I spent so much time on is working. Google Lens. Google Lens is gone? No, I'm kidding. YouTube. No! I'm kidding. Don't do it. Upload date. View count. View counts.

1:21:32All right. I knew that's what you were going to say because that's what I wanted to say so I just decided to pick something else. No, I just picked so we didn't both have the same thing. I said cow. No. I said pig. Nope. Chicken. Chicken. It's called chicken feed. That makes sense. Duh. Yeah. Idiot. I wonder what Marquez will put. I bet Marquez puts pig. Blank feed. And it was supposed to be the food of an animal. Oh, interesting. Yes, and I'm looking for the animal, and it is candy corn as we know it today. Huh. What animals eat a lot of corn? I'm thinking about horses. horses i'm thinking about pigs uh pig feed horse i'll go i'll go hog feed i'll go hog you know what's crazy is that's actually what andrew said you would say um but unfortunately it is chickens it was called chicken feed question number two okay also quick update on the score marquez with 22 because dear listener when he got back from california me and andrew sat by his desk and timed him 30 seconds a question and asked him the trivia questions from last week he got two out of three correct so he's got 22 wow so we spoke about nintendo this week but it is also halloween so the ghost in the mario games what is its full name

1:23:04david because you said it and i had to pivot really quickly during the trivia question. It was just going to be Boo, but he made it harder. No way, really? Yeah. But then you were like, Boo. I definitely would have gotten that one. I have no idea what this is.

1:23:22Almost time.

1:23:28Flip him and read. What do we got? I wrote Boo Teeful. No, but I love it. I put Boo dash Boo. No. Wow, thanks. Wow. I definitely don't know this one. I was wondering if you would ask me the name of the ghost, which I knew was Boo. I do not know his full name, so I'm going to have to make something up. This was one of those weeks where that was the original question, and then David said Boo at some point in the episode. And it was like, oh, okay, well, we can't. We got to make it harder. Dang. Okay. Well, I mean, I'll make... let's see his name is King Boo you said so his government name if it was King Arthur it would be like Arthur something so his name is probably Bucifer Brown Bucifer Brown that's awesome no the correct answer is Boo Diddley Boo Diddley a reference to Bo Diddley the rock star who's that he's like one of the most important figures in early American music like inspired Elvis and stuff like that.

1:24:39Who's that?

1:24:42All right. Well, thanks for trying to ask. Wasn't there a bonus question in there or did we already get it wrong? That was last week. That was last week. I swore you just threw a bonus trivia question in the middle of the episode. No, I did like a mid-episode question about the Magic Mask. Did we get it wrong? No, David, I wasn't a real trivia question. Oh. It was just me proving that you can literally plug and unplug the Magic Mask in like 10 seconds and get it back. I forgot about that part because there's misinformation. Do you want to do a bonus trivia question? That's our episode. Thanks for joining us on this episode of the Waveform Podcast, Spooky Halloween Edition.

1:25:12We're your hosts. I'm David. And I'm Andrew. And Marquez is still a skeleton. And even though it's Halloween here, some people celebrate Diwali and others celebrate Dia de los Muertos. So thank you for listening and enjoy the holiday. Oh, comment your favorite costume. Ooh, that's a good one. And why it's me. And why it's Adam. Yeah. and Alice wins most painful costume that's true bring us out yeah thanks all for listening Waveform is produced by the Hamburglar and Wirt and we are a Vox Media Podcast Network show and our music was created by Fainstead let's go

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