Apple is Paying for Apple Intelligence

19:22Andrew Edwards:And I just feel so blessed to be alive right now. Oh, and I just want to make a quick point that he's talking about the game seven because game one versus the Knicks was not a great game if you're a Sixers fan. Oh yeah, that already happened. Yeah, that was really bad. And so my did they even test this is the Sixers drop coverage because whoo did not work and those baskets those knicks baskets were fallen um so yeah did they even test this sixers defense but it's all good man because we just did test it we're coming back tonight gonna tie up the series it's funny i used to be a clippers fan back when

19:58Marques Brownlee:chris paul and lob city era clippers were like a thing and this was the feeling that i was hoping i would feel for like five years straight i never never got to it's okay if it makes you feel any

20:07Andrew Edwards:better this is the feeling i've been hoping to feel for five years straight and we're finally getting it that's awesome all right all right so on to tech yeah my did they even test this is shocker google test so what in google test oh when you add things to your upcoming i guess reminders okay there's on web at least i feel like this might also be in the app i'm not sure um but on web it shows like all of your lists that you've made yeah one of them the very first one um even though you can move it around but the one that's first by default is upcoming okay that one will just show every reminder that you have for the upcoming future period like you can't sort it for only show me the the upcoming week you can't sort it for only show me the upcoming month it's just everything like right now i have a reminder for friday december 11th to remind me that there's a parade that always passes by my apartment uh the guadalupe parade i think but it's like 10 p.m every december 11th where a bunch of people go down my block with a parade so like okay i said a reminder this past year i don't need to see that right now we are in yeah may why is this still showing why do you have that in tasks though why isn't that not just in your

21:23Marques Brownlee:calendar that's a great question i feel like that's the reason they exist separately like

21:28Andrew Edwards:Okay, so let's say I did have a task on Friday 11th, though.

21:32Marques Brownlee:Like this Friday?

21:33Andrew Edwards:No, like the 11th of December. I don't know. I had to re-sign something on December 12th. So I set a reminder. Not a reminder? No, that's a task.

21:43Marques Brownlee:I guess so. If it's like by someone's birthday present, like a week before their birthday. Yeah, a week before.

21:48Andrew Edwards:Like I would see that right now, which is like, why?

21:52Marques Brownlee:Yeah.

21:52Andrew Edwards:Yeah, okay. That makes sense. It's just like why you're not... Have you tried TickTick? I have tried TickTick and I used TickTick for a long time I was trying to minimize subscriptions so I stopped using it are they paid?

22:08Marques Brownlee:there's a pro version do you need the pro version?

22:12Andrew Edwards:I don't know at some point too is it better to use Google things? I don't even know if that's the case maybe it is better to just pay a developer

22:21Marques Brownlee:I'm off of the it's better to use Google's version because there's so many examples of it not being better to use Google's version that I have abandoned that philosophy. That's a very good point. Yeah. Interesting. Okay. In summary, no, they did not test this. Yeah. I have one that I'm, well, it's less of the, did they even test this and more of why does this exist? Does that work? Why does it, yeah. Sure, we'll take it. Okay, so like a couple of weeks ago, X launched XChat, which is a separate app, which is just, yeah, which is a separate app on your phone, which is just the DM portion of X. And it looks exactly like the DM tab in X.

23:03Marques Brownlee:And it's just the DMs. And then there's a little button in the top right and when you click it, it just opens X. I don't know why they have two separate apps for this. And I thought Elon was all obsessed with making the everything app and then he just started separating them. And I'm very confused. I think that counts. That counts?

23:20Andrew Edwards:Did they even think about this? How about that? Was there any like press statement as to like why they did this? No. Just launched. Also like. Casually. You after ever since the blue check apocalypse on Twitter on Twitter messaging people is like almost impossible because most accounts you can't even DM unless you pay. Is that how that works? I forget how the system works, but I feel like anytime I want to send a DM, it's like you got money. Yeah. So now there's an app to tell me you got money?

23:53Marques Brownlee:Yeah. Someone hit me up the other day. They're like, hey, your handle is at DavidML is available because I've been trying to get that since 2012 or whatever. But you have to have X Premium Plus, which costs$40 a month in order to request unused handles. And I was like, I hate this. Okay, question. Is XChat encrypted?

24:15Andrew Edwards:Yeah, probably. Is the Twitter DMs, regular Twitter DMs encrypted? I think they're exactly. It is because they're the same. Oh, well. And I have no answer.

24:23Marques Brownlee:I really don't know why this exists. Yeah, I was trying to think of something. Now, to be fair, to be fair, I have been wanting an Instagram just DMs app forever, which they were working on for a long time. Separately? Separately.

24:36Andrew Edwards:Isn't that just messages, like Facebook messages or Messenger?

24:40Marques Brownlee:Yeah, but Instagram. They unbundled them, remember? Yeah. So you mean WhatsApp? No. No. No. The amount of people. Google chat? there's a lot of people that I just through Instagram that I like daily but I have all my social media blocked throughout the day on my accounts because I don't want to wait this is the exact same thing what that's what Twitter is doing yeah you want to be able to DM the people you DM on Instagram on this also having to go through the rest of Instagram correct I just I barely use Twitter which is what Twitter it's what Twitter did and I'm happy about that I barely I mean if it was Instagram.

25:17Marques Brownlee:Because I barely use Twitter. I would love this for Instagram, but it's just confusing. Let's move on to some news this week.

25:24Andrew Edwards:I just want to say, the selling point, and this is according to Elon himself.

25:29Marques Brownlee:Okay.

25:30Andrew Edwards:Quote, XChat is the only secure encrypted messaging app. That's not true at all.

25:37Marques Brownlee:What? It is if you just say it. That's the end of the statement? That's not even remotely true. That's like the first half of a correct statement, but then it's just wrong. Has he ever heard of Signal before? All right, let's get to the actual news stories of the week. So I got to take a vote from you guys. We got two Apple stories and two Google stories. Which one do you want to get to first? I like the Android ones or the Google ones. Like the Google ones? Yeah, they're interesting. Let's talk about the Google ones. My curiosity is peaked. Yes. So this is going to be a pretty major event. Next week, we're getting the Android show, which, if you remember, is a pre-IO Android experience where they...

26:15Marques Brownlee:Yes. Yes. It's very hype. Because IO... The hype is super real. IO used to include Android, but now it's kind of just all Gemini. Yeah, now it's just for the stockholders

26:24Andrew Edwards:and the people that care about the products.

26:26Marques Brownlee:Well, the Gemini features are interesting, but yeah. But it's going to be a big one. Samir Samant has tweeted a video with a little teaser for the Android show. His caption. He says that it's the biggest set of Android updates ever. And he punctuated it. he said biggest android updates ever period after every word which is a big deal that's a lot of hype it's a lot of hype coming from a googler wow yeah and in the little teaser video the little andy android robot pulls a light switch and when he turns off the lights he's glowing with these kind of like neon blue and pink cotton candy colors however and adam noted this because he no no no it's not don't okay by the way scaring me everyone is quote tweeting this being like Apple's doing liquid glass.

27:12Marques Brownlee:He replied to it. Yeah, I know. He said, we're not. Him and Michal have had to have a campaign going to reply to every single person. We're like, no, we're not. Did they even test this? Did they even think about this? Yeah. But if you look very closely near the Andy Android robot's neck, it's clearly got the pixel glow RGB Y bar. If you want to see it clearly, it's now the profile picture of Android on Twitter. Yeah. So, yes. It's hype. Yes. It's glowing. Pretty hype. It would be really crazy, and I would be very happy if they did a lot of settings change-ups like they did with Ice Cream Sandwich, where everything was kind of neon and weird.

27:53Marques Brownlee:And just this morning, it leaked that the new design language that they're using is called Luminous Design. Don't they change? Okay, they changed this so much. Well, I think that they'll still have Material You Expressive as the material interface, but I think that Luminous Design is going to be, like, the Gemini kind of like intelligent features are going to have the luminous stuff. That's my guess. So it's being teased as biggest Android updates ever, but it's not the biggest Android updates ever. It's just the Gemini parts. I don't think it's just the Gemini parts. I think that they're probably adding a ton of Android features, which is cool because I have no idea what they would add.

28:31Marques Brownlee:I'm very curious how they're going to live up to this amount of hype because this is...

28:34Andrew Edwards:Yeah, Material 3 Expressive is new, right? That just came out like three years ago. Yeah, from two or three years ago. So for them to be introducing a brand new design, I would imagine that's just for the glowing around your screen when you hold down the button to access Gemini, which is already a thing. So what else would they use this for?

28:54Marques Brownlee:Well, they just pushed a big update for the Gemini app on Android where it looks a lot more neon like this, like yesterday. So if you have it, that'd be interesting to see. Yeah. So I don't know. They say biggest Android updates ever. I'm really curious what that means. It could be so many things. Are there any Android features that you have been like wishing for? Not specifically, honestly. I mean, the hardware is what's been fun to play with in Android land. And then I use Android, Android, Android, most of the same way I did five years ago, which is also most of the same way I did five years before that.

29:28Marques Brownlee:So yeah, Gemini a little bit more, a little circle to search stuff a little bit more, but it's genuinely mostly the same. I'm pretty happy with it.

29:34Andrew Edwards:The one I'm really excited for is the, I forget what it's called, but the Chrome desktop when you plug it in pixel desktop or whatever. Yeah making that better. Making it better to like be a Dex competitor for real. For sure. Because right now it's like in developer beta or something like that and it's fine. You can use it but it's not like I wouldn't say it's good. Yeah. It's just like fun to play around with. Yeah. If they can make that good that would be awesome.

29:55Marques Brownlee:Yeah. Well thankfully the event is next Tuesday so we'll be able to talk about on the show next week. I won't because I won't be here but you guys will be able to talk about on the show next week and it's at 10 a.m. Pacific time so you guys should all chime in. Maybe we could get that live threads thing

30:11Andrew Edwards:going. I would love that, but I don't know if that's out yet.

30:14Marques Brownlee:It's rolling out slowly. The other Google news is that Google Home Gemini can now do multiple and more complicated requests at once, which is a big update. Home 3.1, it improves Gemini's ability to interpret and act on requests like complex tasks or multiple tasks in one query. I need an example. I think you should be able to say like turn on the lights in the bedroom and also open up the shades in the living room so you can like chain things together you can chain things together um also more complex stuff uh it will also make gemini better at handling recurring all-day events and allow you to move around upcoming events with your voice which is interesting so that's helpful all i want is better

30:57Andrew Edwards:search in gmail like just use this for gmail yeah how is it so bad why are they doing all this just give me good search in Gmail.

31:04Marques Brownlee:I don't know. It's still so bad. It's crazy. They're also launching in beta a way to manage your smart home from a computer and you can search your camera history with natural language. You can create routines from your desktop. So that's nice.

31:18Andrew Edwards:You just said routines and that made me think of another thing that I hope they introduce into Android, which is like Samsung's routines and like Apple shortcuts, like something like that.

31:29Marques Brownlee:Yeah, they have some already, right? What's it called? automations oh automations you're right yeah and gemini stuff but are they good in google home i think they're pretty good well i some of mine are broken so i haven't actually updated them in a while but i i do know they have that let's see like if they can automation if they flesh that

31:47Andrew Edwards:out that would also be pretty sick yeah yeah because there's not many things that i want android to take from ios specifically but shortcuts is one of them yeah and i know you can use macrodroid and tasker and all those things but those are so insanely powerful i don't need

32:02Marques Brownlee:all that yeah yeah i don't know it's kind of exciting for them to hype it so much when i don't even know what i want them to add it's like i feel like we're going to be surprised because none of

32:11Andrew Edwards:these features have leaked so far which is kind of surprising yeah i feel like android i mean i don't know i guess both operating systems are pretty mature at this point for what i would like what i want yeah so there's not really much you can do besides a design change that would make me be like whoa it's such a huge change up from what we already had yeah like that's why with ios liquid glass was like such a thing because it changed how everything looked yeah i wouldn't say it like changed much of the functionality in a drastic way no so i'm curious why they're hyping this up so much like what are they gonna introduce yeah it's interesting that they're kind of

32:44Marques Brownlee:showcasing the pixel glow stuff considering that's fairly necessary like you kind of have to have hardware to make that work and they're not going to show off well they're probably i mean maybe they will maybe they'll show off the pixel 11 and the pixel book or whatever i doubt it but like it would be cool it would be cool that would be crazy yeah if they randomly dropped the pixel i mean they could do the pixel laptop right yeah they could or at least they could hype it you think

33:09Andrew Edwards:they would drop that with the phones in august september october whenever the pixel events yeah

33:13Marques Brownlee:they would do it separately really i think yeah from the separate from the phones really let the phone shine but if you're gonna do a laptop i don't know a new laptop you could do that i mean when they did the pixel book go it was at the same time as the phones when the pixel 4 came out true i guess google doesn't always think logically so that's fair yeah but it's a i mean it's an i mean this is supposed to be their android chrome os merger laptop so it could be and like why do you need the phones to have their moment to shine when they're just gemini machines you know they're not that different you know what i mean just throw my.io yeah that's true just separate from

33:49Andrew Edwards:I went to the Google store in Williamsburg this past weekend. Oh, yeah. And you were close to me. You didn't tell me. Is Williamsburg close to you? Yes. Oh, sorry.

33:57Marques Brownlee:Right below me. I can walk there in 20 minutes.

33:59Andrew Edwards:Oh, well, sorry. I'll tell you next time. But I was in the store and my mom was with me because I was going to get a, what was it? Like a Titan security key for my sister. Oh, yeah. That's what she ended up picking up.

34:10Marques Brownlee:You can get them at the Google store?

34:11Andrew Edwards:Yeah, they sell them there. Oh, wow. Cool. But she was walking around. She's like, this is cozy. This is not like the Apple store at all. And I was like, I bet that was very intentional.

34:21Marques Brownlee:I feel like it is a lot like the Apple Store. I mean, it's more cozy because they have more fibers and stuff.

34:25Andrew Edwards:I think more fibers, a lot of wood. We have natural wood grain.

34:29Marques Brownlee:The Apple Store also.

34:29Andrew Edwards:Apple is like metal and wood and like glass. Yeah, that's true.

34:33Marques Brownlee:White walls. Yeah. They only have a couple of stores, so they got to make them hype. Yeah. All right. Okay. Speaking of Apple news. Apple is going to allow you to choose which AI model to use for different Apple intelligence features. which is kind of interesting. It's very of the moment. Yes.

34:52Andrew Edwards:I was asking, can one of you explain this to me? Because I do not understand what this means at all.

34:56Marques Brownlee:Yeah, okay. So this is according to Bloomberg. In iOS 27, you're going to be able to use an extensions feature which lets you pick different AI models for different features of Apple intelligence like Siri, writing tools, image playground, other stuff. So it's become clear over the last year or two years that these different AI models that people subscribe to whether it's Claude or ChatGPT or Gemini, are better at certain things, right? And people subscribe to different ones. And at this point, I think Apple has given up trying to make their own competitive model, right? Like it would cost so much money and the race is moving so fast and the updates are coming so fast that Apple would have to basically create an entire additional company within Apple just to keep up with all these other companies.

35:40Marques Brownlee:So it makes more sense to just be the compute company that like runs the models. They are the hardware that everyone will run the models on. Right. So once all these models, obviously there's the cloud models. And then once these local models get good enough that everyone's running them locally on all their machines, they're the ones here with the machines. Yeah. And that we run them on there. Totally. Yeah. So like the iPhone is probably going to use Gemini Nano for like Siri things, right? But for all the other features, like image playground, which literally nobody uses, ChatGPT currently has, you know it's competitive between chatgp and gemini for who has the best image model sure but the fact that most people are probably only subscribed to one of these ai models at a time right so if you are subscribed to gemini versus chatgp you want to plug in all of your gemini stuff to your iphone so that works natively and apple's happy to let you do that um it's more interesting that you can choose which model for which feature which i guess makes sense because because some models, like Claude is better at reasoning.

36:44Marques Brownlee:So if there was some sort of reasoning feature in the iPhone, I guess, that's better for reasoning, you would plug in your Claude model. It is kind of like a if-you-know-you-know kind of thing. Like the average iPhone user probably isn't going to be plugging in a bunch of different models, but, you know.

37:02Andrew Edwards:Yeah, I really want to see what the UI is for this because I feel like if I'm trying to do, I don't know, like Siri, I want to have Siri be accessing Gemini. But then for image generation, ChatGPT. And then for Circle to Search, oh, let's do Gemini again. And then like all those different things, shortcut automations. Let me use Claude for that. What is that UI even going to look like? Even saying out loud, I'm kind of confused. Yeah.

37:30Marques Brownlee:Maybe just it's a defaults page in the settings. Like the way you can choose your search engine default now by going into settings and switching it from Google to one of the other options on the list. generation default if there's like a apple intelligence section in the settings which there is and you go into all the different features and can drop down a list and change the defaults to all of them yeah maybe there is a default for all of them that lines up maybe it's gemini for everything but then you can go and go on the list and change yeah my question becomes like how much is this going to impact your usage limits for all of these all these apps because if you accidentally like hit all your usage limits on claude just by using your iphone and then you you can't really use it on your computer.

38:07Marques Brownlee:That's pretty annoying. Yeah, and will it be like an extension that plugs into your account with Claude, or is it just like a fully isolated instance of like asking Claude for something but has no context from your account? I imagine it will be your account. Because right now, when you ask for something that Siri can't handle and it kicks out to ChatGPT, that's not with the context of your account. You can sign into your account, though. You can sign in, okay. Yeah. But when it wasn't signed in, it was just however many queries you want. It didn't matter. The free version, basically. Yeah. Yeah.

38:39Marques Brownlee:But there's still limits to the free version, so it's kind of... And I don't think Apple's going to want to pay that bill for a bunch of regular people. But it would be interesting if you couldn't use all of the features of your iPhone unless you had an AI subscription plan from a different company.

38:55Andrew Edwards:Interesting or apocalyptic? I don't know about apocalyptic.

38:59Marques Brownlee:Definitely driving a lot of usage of this stuff. Yeah. Yeah. If there's anything Siri can't handle, we'll just kick it out to any of these companies. Yeah. I mean, maybe it's possible that these companies are going to have deals with Apple because they want people to use their product more, right? So if Anthropic wants more people to adopt Claude and they say, oh, you can try Claude on that. You can use Claude on the iPhone for free. And then it motivates people to use Claude on their desktop. Yep. Then that's good for Anthropic. That's good for them. That's possible.

39:29Andrew Edwards:Can I tell a funny Apple intelligence story from last week? Yeah. I decided to fire up what's it called? Genmoji. I love Genmoji. Do I use it all the time? Really? Because I I'm its biggest fan. I cannot get anything useful out of it. And to be fair, the story I'm about to tell is mostly user error. But what happened is I was like, I needed a cowboy boot emoji. Yeah. I made one. I searched. I was just moving really fast. I just searched boot and it gave me a rain boot. And I was like, oh, I didn't get specific enough. Silly me. so I put in cowboy boot and it put a cowboy hat on the rain boot wow that's so good

40:12Marques Brownlee:that's incredible that's so good last Apple story and then we'll take it to trivia in a break Apple is going to need to pay iPhone owners $250 million for not delivering the AI Siri that they promised everybody wow

40:29Marques Brownlee:$12 that's way too much You're getting like a nickel. Yeah. I think it's actually. It actually is more. $20. It's between$25 and$95, depending on the circumstances.

40:38Andrew Edwards:Every iPhone user gets$20?

40:41Marques Brownlee:No, it's the people. Okay. Let me tell this thing. Okay. There's a class asking lawsuit that alleges that Apple misled customers by Apple intelligence and has gotten Apple to pay between$25 and$95 to each person that purchased an iPhone 15 Pro or any iPhone 16 between June 10th, 2024 and March 29th, 2025. the lawsuit is alleging that Apple gave people a clear and reasonable consumer expectation that Apple intelligence features would be available on these phones while they ended up being significantly limited or sometimes entirely absent correct this is a story from the verge and they did speak they did reach out to Apple and Apple spokesperson Marnie Goldberg told them that the company decided to settle the matter so they could get back to focusing on building innovative products for their users so it It sounds like they just knew they weren't going to win this.

41:31Marques Brownlee:So they were just like, just take the money. Make it go away.

41:34Andrew Edwards:I also think Apple just doesn't financially want to get involved in like the circular AI. We're developing a model. Yeah. Buying chips from people who give us money to buy their chip. It's just, you know. Yeah. We know that you, the Way From audience, misses Andrew so much. We don't miss him at all, but you guys miss him. But if you want to see what he's up to while he's on paternity leave, he was recently on a disc golf. What did you do paternity leave? Because he said he's on paternity leave and then these videos are dropping and he's playing disc golf. But yeah, there's a creator's tournament that's being posted weekly, I think, online now.

42:12Andrew Edwards:You guys can go check him out and comment saying you're coming from Waveform so we could take over their comments. A comment takeover, basically, is what I'm proposing.

42:21Marques Brownlee:Okay, if Andrew wins, what happens? And if he loses, what happens? Ooh, that's a good one. What do we have him do? Oh yeah, we gotta make him do something.

42:28Andrew Edwards:Okay, if he wins, he has to come back and host a solo pod.

42:34Marques Brownlee:A director's cut, narrating every shot he took.

42:36Andrew Edwards:Yes. Okay, that's a good one too. You're going to make him Jalen Brown.

42:42Marques Brownlee:He would do it. He would do it. We'll go watch his disc golf tournament. That'll be pretty fun. And now, the moment you've all been waiting for, that I'm also waiting for. Trivia.

42:58Andrew Edwards:All right. First question. The Chromebook Pixel came out in 2013. Yeah. What was the size of the screen? Closest without going over. Oh, man.

43:09Marques Brownlee:Oh, man. It was a touchscreen. To the nearest decimal. It was a little bit tall. It was like 3200 by 2800. Them bezels would be thick, though. Them bezels would be thick. They were thick as f***ing real thick. Why do I know all these things but not the size of the screen? Damn. You just know the vibe, you know? Yeah. I still have one. I tripped over it yesterday. So it's on the floor. I'm not even joking. I tripped over it. I've deduced that it's on the floor.

43:31Andrew Edwards:Yeah, it's on the floor. David always keeps his laptops on the floor. This is the only time I see David's laptop on the desk when we're in this room. Yeah, it's usually on the floor.

43:39Marques Brownlee:It's always slightly ajar, you know, on the floor. It was exactly$1 ,000 or no? I think so. I think it's$1 ,99. Everyone loved that it was$1 ,000. If you went to I.O., you got like$400 off. Oh, right. Yeah, people loved that. Because they would sell it. Because they would get it for cheap. I didn't sell mine. I bought it with hard earned cash. I also did that and then I reviewed it. Damn, Chromebook Pixel. I like that computer. It was cool because it was like, it was good hardware. It was really, really thin. It's kind of an oxymoron. Good hardware and thin? No, the Chromebook Pixel's existence.

44:11Marques Brownlee:Oh. Oh, you only really need to do Chrome because it's a Chromebook and you kind of don't need to do much. Okay, here's a cheap Chrome computer. Yeah. Oh, you want a premium laptop that does way more? Well, it doesn't. It's just a Chromebook. Yeah. But you can spend a thousand. You don't really need it to do more, but you just want the hardware to be nice, you know? And then, like, a nice chip and a bunch of RAM and a whole storage. When you're using Chrome, you want to be able to feel that hardware. It feels good. When you minimize the desktop and open up Chrome again. Yeah, that's right. You want it to be nice and smooth.

44:41Marques Brownlee:That's absolutely, you're absolutely right, Mark. Yeah. All right, well, we'll think about that. Answers at the end, like usual. We'll be right back.

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46:56Marques Brownlee:Need a hiring hero? This is a job for Indeed Sponsored Jobs. Welcome back with The Six Pack. We are here on the Waveform Podcast playing another game because there's no f***ing news this week.

47:06Andrew Edwards:Whoa.

47:07Marques Brownlee:Not enough. We just spent 50 minutes talking about news. Yeah, four stories. Four stories and seven years ago there was way more freaking news than this week. You know that. You guys are yappers. It means tomorrow. Yeah. It's all going to happen. Oh, it's all going to happen. Oh, God. Thursday news.

47:20Andrew Edwards:You know what state that was originally set in, right? New Jersey. Pennsylvania, which is the same city as Philadelphia, which is where the 76ers play. Why'd you just throw something at Mariah? I threw something. It just kind of went across the eraser.

47:33Marques Brownlee:Well, because there's no news. I actually am going to need that back. We're going to play. We are going to play a game. Adam said it's the newlyweds game, but contrary to popular belief, I'm not married to Marquez. Yeah. May happen later. Yeah. TBD. We'll see.

47:48Andrew Edwards:This is the same game we played earlier this year. Andrew adapted it for tech. And in his honor, because he is on paternity leave, air quotes, we are bringing it back to play it again. So if you don't remember how to play, I will be asking you guys a question and you need to answer what the answer would be for your partner. So teams this week is going to be David and Marquez versus Ellis and Mariah. Again, there's a plus five confidence boost. What does that mean? If you really know the answer. I saw how poorly this went last time. I was freaking out of this. If you really know the answer that your partner is going to put down, you can confidence boost and you'll get plus five points.

48:30Marques Brownlee:Remember when we did the iPhone one and we both knew that we were thinking like iPhone 4S or something at the same time? Yeah.

48:35Andrew Edwards:We were locked in last time. We were locked. It was good. Actually, you know what? Maybe I'll do plus three. Plus five is like a... Plus five is kind of great. Yeah, it's a lot. I'll do plus three. Plus three. Plus three. Okay. Are we ready? Yeah. Anyone have any questions? I don't think so.

48:46Marques Brownlee:Do you want to explain how it works for the listeners?

48:48Andrew Edwards:Yeah. I thought I just did. Listen up.

48:51Marques Brownlee:No, you didn't. Maybe you didn't try again. Here's how it works. You just said there's a confidence boost.

48:56Andrew Edwards:Andrew's, Jesus. Andrew's on paternity leave. Here's how it works. Adam is going to ask us a question, like the whole group. Two of us are going to write an answer to that question. Then our teammates are going to guess what we wrote on our boards. Thank you, Ellis. Thank you. Okay. I don't know what to do when you're not here by my side. I'm all alone over here. It's such a big table and just a little old me. It'll warm me up. First question. All right. Who do I want to give this to? Let's see. Who gets this question? Who gets first? Do you guys want to decide? You guys decide. How confident are you in your partnership?

49:28Andrew Edwards:Winner chooses.

49:30Marques Brownlee:Well, you guys are on the same team. That's okay. That's okay. Well, one or the other has to get the question, right? Yeah. Okay. On three or after three? Rock, paper, scissors, shoot. Shoot. Okay. Ready? Rock, paper, scissors, shoot. Rock, paper, scissors, shoot. Oh. Okay. I choose you to answer first. So y 'all two are going first. Okay, first question.

49:55Andrew Edwards:What app would you say... Wait, so I'm guessing what Marques and I are so close. I'm just answering. How often do we talk about apps? And you guessed what I would say. So often. Yeah, we're like, you know, when we text, it's all app talk. Yeah. I figured your whole Slack message is just about apps. Okay, what app would your partner say is their guilty pleasure?

50:17Marques Brownlee:Oh. So you're saying what app your guilty pleasure is. Okay, okay. I'm wondering if you... What do I even have on my phone? I'm wondering if you know this.

50:26Andrew Edwards:Wait, so I'm writing what my guilty pleasure is and then Mariah is guessing. Yes, exactly. So Mariah, you're guessing my dirty pleasure app. Guilty. Not dirty pleasure. Definitely not dirty pleasure. Can I go back to my corner, please? I don't want to be here at the table. Guys, the lights are too bright. Wait for after dark. thank you

50:54Marques Brownlee:waveform after dark wow that's deeper than I thought it was

50:58Andrew Edwards:I want to go home

50:59Marques Brownlee:alright let's see if Marquette's gonna remember what do you got I had two things come to mind I think yours is either some obscure camera app or it's literally Instagram David would feel guilty for using a camera app like his eighth camera app or something but I also earlier on this episode we were talking about how you wish Instagram DMs were separate from Instagram so you didn't have to use Instagram so much so I think it's Instagram do I tell them now? sure I don't get pleasure from Instagram I'll tell you that we're so far away from guilt I'm sorry guys I will say it's Pokemon TCG Pocket it's the only game I have on my phone besides that's a good game besides Bellatoro why is that your guilty pleasure?

51:44Marques Brownlee:because I don't you know I have You spend no money on it. Yeah, but I still have guilt for playing games. Why? Because we live in America. We should work that out in therapy. Have your fun and play some games. You're not still doing Bellatro, right? Sometimes, on the subway. It's good for the subway. Bellatro's offline? You ever play chess on your phone? Oh, maybe I'll pick it up.

52:04Andrew Edwards:Chess? Yeah. Oh, we'll get to that, Marcus. Okay. Ellis? Okay. I think I'm putting all my eggs in one basket. I don't know much about Ellis, but I know. in our four years of working together. I'm going to put all my money on the McDonald's app. Oh, that would have been good. Damn, that is good. The app I feel guiltiest about using because of everything that goes down on it is Twitter.

52:35Marques Brownlee:Oh, yeah.

52:36Andrew Edwards:That's valid. The Sixers means are

52:39Marques Brownlee:unbelievably plentiful.

52:40Andrew Edwards:Yeah. Sixers Twitter has been a really safe place for me lately, but the rest of that app is an ocean of chaos.

52:47Marques Brownlee:That's the hard thing about Twitter is it's still the people there are still the funniest people and the memes are still the funniest but the ratio of that to just like racism and sexism and nudity is crazy.

52:58Andrew Edwards:We hate it. Sorry LS I let you down. It's okay. Damn. Maybe you guys couldn't make it up with this one. Alright. If your partner could get rid of one overhyped piece of tech from the last decade what would it be? Just snap your fingers and it's gone. This is Marquez's writing. Overhyped piece of tech.

53:16Marques Brownlee:This is hard. This is hard. Overhyped piece of tech from the last decade.

53:20Andrew Edwards:From the last decade.

53:21Marques Brownlee:I mean, I'm a hater. So it could be.

53:26Andrew Edwards:New soundboard bite. I don't even.

53:33Andrew Edwards:Yeah, this is a tough one.

53:34Marques Brownlee:I don't have an answer.

53:36Andrew Edwards:It could be software.

53:39Marques Brownlee:It could be software. Overhyped.

53:41Andrew Edwards:Yeah. An overhyped piece of tech.

53:45Marques Brownlee:I can get rid of

53:46Andrew Edwards:Should I run it again? Let's give you a little more time Yeah run it again

53:51Marques Brownlee:This is a hard one This feels like a cop out It's like the first thing I can think of

53:57Andrew Edwards:But think about what your partner would think of Ellis hates a lot of things

54:00Marques Brownlee:I know

54:02Andrew Edwards:We're both haters How do I pick my biggest hate? Overhyped Let the hate flow through you One Mariah I think is overhyped so much. What do you think that you think is overhyped?

54:15Marques Brownlee:I have a good answer. I picked a normie answer. This is bad. I should just think of something on the spot, overhyped, that I wish never happened. Get rid of it. That David would wish never happened. No, no, no. No, it's Marquez, and I guess what he. Oh, I'm sorry. You're right. I don't know how to play this. It's like you did last time. I don't know how to play this. It's like you did last time. Okay. Nope. No? I feel like you don't want to get rid of it, right? Like, you don't want to get rid of it. I do. What do you think is just overhyped? Say you don't have to get rid of it. That's fair. Just think of a piece of tech that's overhyped.

54:53Marques Brownlee:From the last 10 years. Yeah. They're like, it's whatever compared to the hype that people behind it. I know examples. I don't have. Mark is a true tech lover. He's a true lover of tech. Was it hyped though? For some. For some.

55:16Andrew Edwards:Are you guys putting the same thing?

55:17Marques Brownlee:I really hope you didn't write the Humane Ipun.

55:23Okay.

55:24Marques Brownlee:Damn. I mean, I have one that I think Marquez would put, but I don't think that he thought of it. So. Correct.

55:33Andrew Edwards:This is a softball.

55:35Marques Brownlee:I'm going to say the Humane Ipun. I think that's what he wrote. at the last minute. I wrote the humane pin. Let's go. That's one point. All right.

55:45Andrew Edwards:Yeah. Alice and Mariah. Mariah, this is a tough one because - Was it hyped out? It was, I mean, before it came out, it was hella hyped. Yeah, dude. They were hyped. That was super hyped. Do you not remember like the year leading up to it? Yeah, the year leading up. We'd go on the website and it would be like, we're not going to tell you what it is, but you're all f***ed.

56:03Marques Brownlee:They all hyped it and everyone watched it and went, no, it's not. Yeah. Well, once they announced it. No, we all, looked at them and went like why are they hyping this so much yeah it's clearly not going to be expectations reality no it was internal hype expectations yeah yeah that's true that's true

56:20Andrew Edwards:what uh anyway mariah i know you're a hater but i also know you're someone that will live with the tech products you hate for some time uh there was a while where the slack was mariah being like my pixel watch driving me she loves the pixel watch correct me if i'm wrong though didn't you lose a Pixel Watch because it fell off your wrist and into a trash can. Into a wall watch. And you just decided you were not going to get it. She retrieved me. I reached into a trash can and it unclipped itself into the trash can.

56:47Marques Brownlee:It was a wall watch. And I contemplated leaving it. I am home.

56:50Andrew Edwards:I was going to leave it at a wall watch.

56:52Marques Brownlee:It was the first generation by the way. Pixel Watch is good now but the first gen was horrible.

56:56Andrew Edwards:Guys it's still here. It's still audio listeners. It's still here. She's still wearing a Pixel Watch. My instinct you know my first instinct is to make it something gamer related like gamer chairs. Gamers can't afford this. I think you wanted the point so bad that you went with a very banal answer. So I am also going to say the Humane Eye pin. That's really unfortunate because that's true.

57:18Marques Brownlee:We should have, both of us should have tripled down on that. I was not going with it. What I was thinking that you should have said, Marquez, is I know that you just hate nostalgia.

57:25Andrew Edwards:Pixel Watch is good.

57:26Marques Brownlee:I know that you're like a nostalgia hater. You're like, this only exists because of nostalgia. Even though you're really hyped about backyard baseball coming back. Yes. which is also nostalgia. Yeah.

57:38Andrew Edwards:A final runner up for the new soundboard was Marquez saying, we've just invented this really new cool thing, but do you remember the old thing?

57:49Andrew Edwards:That's a good one.

57:51Marques Brownlee:Yeah, I would have said for you, I would have done like emulators or something because it's all nostalgia based. Mario Kart 39. Mario Kart 39. Okay. That's good.

58:02Andrew Edwards:this is somehow turning into the hater awards but I love it next question I love this game at what battery percentage do you think your partner starts freaking out and looking for a charger oh gosh

58:18Marques Brownlee:this is easy

58:19Andrew Edwards:what battery percentage do I start freaking out Mariah

58:22Marques Brownlee:I mean Ellis is living large now he's got that man came from a mini he's no fear he probably gets a 3 % he doesn't even think twice David? Yeah. I have a theory for this one. Okay. Yeah, I get the theory. Is it like closest? Yeah, how close do we need to be? Because there's 100 digits. Closest without going over. Without going over? Yeah.

58:45Andrew Edwards:Dad, thank you. What did you put?

58:51Marques Brownlee:Okay, I think I got an answer. Okay. All right. I think I know what you would say. All right. I'm ready. Should I go first? Sure. Yeah. you're on an iPhone and when you hit 20 % on an iPhone it automatically switches the battery icon to red and switches to low power mode and I think that's the exact moment you start looking for a charger so 20 Uh, 64. Ooh. Why? You start to freak out at 60. I have massive power anxiety, dude. I have battery anxiety all the time. No, it doesn't matter that it's the Air. It does, though. No. Yeah. Pretty much any device. The Air is never even over 64%. Hey, you take it off the charger.

59:29Marques Brownlee:My Air is at 94 right now because I always keep it on the charger.

59:32Andrew Edwards:We've been doing nothing for an hour. How's it at 94? Yeah, because I've been doing nothing. So it drains 6 %?

59:38Marques Brownlee:Yeah, sitting there. Wow.

59:40Andrew Edwards:Yeah, I guess. 64 % on an iPhone 17 will last you the rest of the day but an iPhone 17 Pro will last you like two days

59:47Marques Brownlee:either way I get really anxious when my devices hit 64 %

59:52Andrew Edwards:so you're 44 % tiles off so let's see what they get I wish I had listened to you I'm not going to say anything I feel like you could go feral I think your phone could get pretty low before you're worried. I have been known to be pretty feral around these parts. I'm thinking single digits. That's what I would think. And my hunch is 5%. This is really my fault. I don't even know why I'm mad. Because I am feral. I put zero f***ing person in it. I don't give a f*** anymore. I knew it. After that mini life, dude, my phone goes all the way down and I'm still chilling. Fine with your phone being dead.

1:00:31Andrew Edwards:Why would you say that? Because I'm on a pro now. That's the only number I can lose at. That's really sad. I wrote it down and then Adam says closest without going over and I knew. I will say I knew that you would write zero. I was going to say like 1%. I was thinking 3. As soon as I said closest without going over,

1:00:48Marques Brownlee:I was like, well, all of the numbers are over. That means we get the point. Yeah, we get the point.

1:00:53Andrew Edwards:By default. Let's go. It's not looking good. I routinely just don't really charge my phone that much. You're insane. I regularly just like fall asleep with it. Well, the next question was going to be what is your current battery percentage? Oh, but I just said. David just said it, so I have to ignore that one.

1:01:09Marques Brownlee:Yeah, but it's Marquez's. You said 94?

1:01:11Andrew Edwards:That's true.

1:01:12Marques Brownlee:That is true. Okay, yeah. All right. Which phone of his? Don't worry about it.

1:01:16Andrew Edwards:That's... That is fair. Okay, no.

1:01:17Marques Brownlee:Let's do the Air. They're very different.

1:01:19Andrew Edwards:The Air. What is the battery percentage on Mariah Marquez's phone right now? Okay, but are we doing closest without going over? Closest without going over.

1:01:27Marques Brownlee:Without going over. All right. Hmm. Interesting.

1:01:32Andrew Edwards:Mariah, what phone do you have right now? I'm sorry to all of my Pixel lovers.

1:01:37Marques Brownlee:but we are now on the S24 Ultra. Oh, whoa. Yes. What happened to you? It's not by choice. What happened to your Pixel? I cursed her. What happened?

1:01:46Andrew Edwards:And Mariah seems like a charges her phone every night kind of person. What happened to your Pixel? And Mariah drives to work, which means she charges her phone in the car. Sometimes does. And she sat at her desk for about an hour and a half. What happened to your Pixel? It fell one foot and the screen won't turn on.

1:02:03Marques Brownlee:I cursed her. Was it a six? Yeah. Legendary. You're probably the last remaining Pixel 6. Support ends in October, so it's time. That's fair. All right. I'm going to guess. Okay. I think that it's at, without going over.

1:02:22Andrew Edwards:Yeah, without going over, Marques's iPhone Air.

1:02:26Marques Brownlee:I think it's 72, but I'm going to give myself a little buffer room. I'm going to say 69.

1:02:30Andrew Edwards:Nice.

1:02:31Marques Brownlee:Thanks. All right. What is it? 83. See, this is what I'm talking about. It's not that bad. The battery is not that bad. Dude, it's 12 o 'clock. We're not even halfway through the day.

1:02:42Andrew Edwards:I haven't done anything. He's done nothing. What phone? iPhone Air. iPhone Air. Oh, okay. But I feel really confident in my guess. So confident I'm using this. My confidence. Oh, snap, brother. It could be a plus three. And I think Mariah has 84 % battery or greater.

1:02:58Marques Brownlee:And that is why I have 91%.

1:03:02Andrew Edwards:Damn triple. I made it up. I made up for my 0 % gaffe. Wow. That's plus three points for Ellis and Mariah. A trip.

1:03:10Marques Brownlee:Is that what they call it? A trip in basketball? When you get a triple? A three-pointer? Sure, man. Yeah, it could work. What do they call it? A trip? Well, I don't want to. Honestly, yeah. Yeah, that works. Three.

1:03:18Andrew Edwards:Yeah, a trip.

1:03:19Marques Brownlee:My baby got a lot of trips. All right.

1:03:22Andrew Edwards:He got an okay amount of trips. Okay. I had the bobblehead. The baby bobblehead? Nice.

1:03:27Marques Brownlee:The baby bobblehead.

1:03:28Andrew Edwards:Quick update on the score. After that confidence boost by Ellis, he and Mariah now have four total points. David and Marquez running up the rear with two

1:03:38Marques Brownlee:we can still get our confidence lock it? yeah we gotta get this one

1:03:42Andrew Edwards:alright is your partner a read receipts person or a read receipts person oh I'm guessing Marquez wait what

1:03:53Marques Brownlee:how do you pronounce it?

1:03:56Andrew Edwards:we've literally yelled at each other about this so many times

1:03:59Marques Brownlee:I didn't know this was even a debate

1:04:01Andrew Edwards:we debate all the time the way it's supposed to be said read receipts or read receipts.

1:04:06Marques Brownlee:I don't even know what you're writing on your whiteboard.

1:04:10Andrew Edwards:It's going to be the same.

1:04:13Marques Brownlee:Wait, what do you mean? It's phonetic. Oh, okay, okay. You write phonetically. All right, what do we got? I am not as confident in this as I want to be. Oh my goodness. I know your answer. I'm not using it, but I think you say read receipts. David? Which is incorrect. What happened to you? what happened? Red? I thought you said read receipts. I said read. Read receipts. Okay. Oh my. And you say read. That's why I didn't use the confidence. That's why I didn't use it. We had to lock in, Mark. I forgot. It's okay. Damn. That's my fault. It's okay. Well, I'm correct, so it's fine.

1:04:50Andrew Edwards:Ryan, I think you should use your confidence boost here. Do we each get one? Yeah. Oh. I think you should. I didn't know that. I thought it was one per team. No, every player gets one. We gotta lock that. I mean, if you feel confident.

1:05:00Marques Brownlee:I mean, there's only one right answer. I think so.

1:05:02Andrew Edwards:There is only one random answer.

1:05:04Marques Brownlee:There's no debate.

1:05:04Andrew Edwards:And I think we're in agreement. I agree with you. So I think you should use it.

1:05:07Marques Brownlee:And it's...

1:05:07Andrew Edwards:There's a lot of talking. Wait, wait, wait. Are you using the confidence boost or not?

1:05:10Marques Brownlee:I'm going to use the confidence boost on...

1:05:12Andrew Edwards:Oh, snap.

1:05:12Marques Brownlee:Read receipts. Bro, what the...

1:05:16Andrew Edwards:There's only one... No. Who says read receipts? Bro, okay.

1:05:19Marques Brownlee:Listen to me. Listen to me, Mariah.

1:05:22Andrew Edwards:What?

1:05:22Marques Brownlee:Listen to me. Okay, a receipt, right? A receipt means the other person has seen it, correct? A receipt in here. I... that means that they have read your message yeah

1:05:35Andrew Edwards:a receipt is inherently a token generated by an action

1:05:38Marques Brownlee:in the past I don't want to hear it I don't want to hear it it's read receipts give me your logic did you read it they read it because you got the receipt

1:05:50Andrew Edwards:so is this team read and team read

1:05:52Marques Brownlee:you are the one that got the receipt and they read your message

1:05:54Andrew Edwards:you would never say like this is a receipt of something I buy you would say this is a receipt of something I bought because you did it in the past

1:06:01Marques Brownlee:This receipt. It's a receipt, which is something that happened before.

1:06:05Andrew Edwards:This receipt is a token of them having read my message.

1:06:09Marques Brownlee:But for some reason, the phrasing read receipt, because we never say like grocery receipt or tax receipt or whatever. We use, it's just a unique phrase of read receipt. Like we just happen to use these words next to each other in this way. No. And for whatever reason, it's read receipt. Read receipt doesn't, just doesn't work. They read it. They read it. Yeah. So you'd say they read it and they got a read receipt when they read it. No, you got a red receipt when they read it. They say read receipt? Yeah. Read receipt. You do not get a receipt of your own message. This is f***ed up. I got a receipt.

1:06:40Marques Brownlee:Why would you do this? David, when do I get the receipt? When they read your message. I want Andrew to come back. When they read my message.

1:06:46Andrew Edwards:I miss Andrew.

1:06:47Marques Brownlee:Yeah, because they have read it. So it's a read receipt. But they have read it by the time you get the receipt. No. When they read it, I get a receipt. Read receipt. No, it's their read receipt, but it's your read receipt. How about that? What's the next question? We need to move on. This is disappointing. We've already done this debate many times on this podcast. I wasted my points on that?

1:07:05Andrew Edwards:Yeah, that's tough.

1:07:06Marques Brownlee:This is your fault.

1:07:09Andrew Edwards:You threw a head fake completely wrong direction.

1:07:12Marques Brownlee:That's great. I love it.

1:07:13Andrew Edwards:All that talking worked out in Marques' favor. Yeah. All right. Yeah. Next question. I'll go a little easier this time. Okay, let's do it.

1:07:20Marques Brownlee:Okay.

1:07:21Andrew Edwards:It's right.

1:07:22Marques Brownlee:Okay. It is right. You can be wrong. It's fine. Ellis and I are right. It's okay to be right.

1:07:28Andrew Edwards:if your partner could only use one phone for the rest of their life what would it be assume the phone is in working condition forever how specific do i need to be like one phone at all one phone i need a model yeah it doesn't need to be like the gigabyte storage you know like whatever but like a one phone one phone person that will work forever it's a one phone person oh my god but they can't switch off of that phone what would it be that's that's kind of tough oh it's for me

1:07:56Marques Brownlee:It's my phone. Your phone. Yeah. So, oh yeah. You need to guess, David. I'm guessing, yeah. Yeah. Okay. Ellis, I don't, I don't know.

1:08:09Okay.

1:08:11Marques Brownlee:I'm going to guess the S26 Ultra.

1:08:14Andrew Edwards:Why would you guess that? Really?

1:08:19Marques Brownlee:That's like, I don't know. Really? Not anymore? Nah. OnePlus 15. S***. iPhone 17 from iPhone. Just give me the big one. That'll get a ton of years of software updates.

1:08:33Andrew Edwards:Oh, you thought way too practical. For you, I would have put HTC One M8. Like, this is the phone that I can use forever. No, that's a different question. That's a different question. That's it. One phone that you can use forever. Doesn't, like, assume it's working forever. Perfectly functioning. Perfectly, you know. Oh, a hypothetical phone that'll work forever. Is it the S26 Ultra?

1:08:50Marques Brownlee:No, I really, I mean, I would probably use, like, an older, like, a favorite phone. from past. It's just because you were always switching back to both the S24 and the S25 Ultras. But notably not the S26 Ultra so why would you pick that one? I know that but I This is the first year he's like mating at OnePlus. Damn. Yeah. We tried. But you didn't like the camera on the OnePlus right? Not really. Yeah so that's why it was Yeah but that's why

1:09:16Andrew Edwards:he has an iPhone Air for that awesome

1:09:18Marques Brownlee:single camera. Yeah what are you even doing for photography? An Oppo Find X-Men Ultra. You have three phones with you now? Yes. Wait a second. What?

1:09:24Andrew Edwards:When did this happen?

1:09:25Marques Brownlee:I have a backpack for that.

1:09:28Andrew Edwards:Wait, but don't you have the Hasselblad in the backpack? Not all the time. That thing is heavier. I've never seen them use the Hasselblad. Marquez, have you seen those? Do you know the harmonica vests? Kind of. If you're really serious about harmonica, you have one and every key. You wear a vest and you keep... I think we might...

1:09:46Marques Brownlee:I got the iPhone Air Pocket, the X9 Ultra Pocket.

1:09:50Andrew Edwards:Michael Fisher used to have one of those. A little dual chest strap thing. I can do that. I can rock that. Okay, anyway. Ellis and Mariah. Mariah, the first thing I have to deduce is whether or not you answered this question realistically or fancifully and went with a feature phone that is somehow miraculously working on Modern or if you went the realistic answer. I'm curious what Mariah would say. I kind of panicked.

1:10:13Marques Brownlee:I'm not going to lie. I panicked again now.

1:10:18Andrew Edwards:Marquez doesn't like my answer. Yeah, I'm going to assume that means you went realistic. And if you panicked, it means you went with something reliable. So I'm going to say that you went with your classic Coral Pixel 6. That's my guess. That would be the safe answer and probably a more rational choice than the Pixel 3a. Why would you do the Pixel 3a? The 3a? That's so specific. Why did 3a? Because I had the Pixel 3a and it was the nostalgia. I missed the back. Didn't have the fingerprint on the back. Yeah, that's a good one. She's kind of cute. It's small. It had the teal power button, right? Is that the one?

1:10:56Marques Brownlee:No, that's the two. The 3A I don't think had that. I'm remembering the two.

1:11:03Andrew Edwards:The 4A had teal. The 4A came in a pink color or orange color. The 4 did.

1:11:10Marques Brownlee:The 4 came in the sand color.

1:11:12Andrew Edwards:Not the 4A. It was purely... 4A came in coral, I think.

1:11:16Marques Brownlee:Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Like salmon. Yeah, salmon.

1:11:18Andrew Edwards:It was just small. It's portable. It's not small. And it was affordable.

1:11:23Marques Brownlee:The 3A was bigger than the 3. Well, 3A XL, I think, was bigger. No, but the 3A was bigger than the 3.

1:11:30Andrew Edwards:Maybe my memory doesn't serve me well.

1:11:32Marques Brownlee:Yeah, it was annoyingly big. The nostalgia glasses are real. The A's are all big, which is annoying.

1:11:36Andrew Edwards:Yeah, it was a terrible answer. I just find it hilarious that you chose an A-series phone. I was just going to get that. Yeah.

1:11:42Marques Brownlee:All right, we got to lock back in. Lock. All right, all right. Lock back in. Lock back in. Locked out, please. We're locked out. We got to lock in.

1:11:48Andrew Edwards:We're one point ahead, but with no bonuses. two points ahead we both have our bonuses next question window seat or aisle seat like what would Marquette oh what did I do look how fun the buttons on the Pixel 3 are oh no

1:12:07Marques Brownlee:I was picturing this accent you do book my flights Marquez well Harvard does I know which is crazy because I have logic for why you would say both I think I know the answer Yeah.

1:12:20Andrew Edwards:This is another 50-50 split.

1:12:22Marques Brownlee:Because of booking in the past. Because of... I'm going to use my...

1:12:30Marques Brownlee:I'm not going to say. I can't use it yet. I can't use it yet. I can't use my confidence yet. Okay. My logic is David's bringing his camera. He's definitely going to want a window seat to take pictures out the plane window. However, comma, I think I'm the only one who prefers a window seat when I've booked people in the studio. They either say, give me an aisle or I don't care. So I think David is one of the aisle people. Is this your official guess? Yeah. God, I'm always window seat.

1:13:01Andrew Edwards:Always window seat. Is this question? Yeah, because I love.

1:13:04Marques Brownlee:Did you say you preferred window?

1:13:05Andrew Edwards:Yeah, always, always. The only reason I say I don't care is so that other people can get window seat. I think we're all window seat people. Is this about when we're flying for... I don't want to ask this question because I like me sound like a**hole. Is this about business class or economy class? Wow, you rich f**k. I know. It doesn't matter. I didn't want to... It does matter. That drastically... Yes, that changes my answer. That's true. Yeah, that's a big difference. So what is it? For me, it doesn't matter. What would you put down? I put down... I can't say. You have a different answer.

1:13:34Marques Brownlee:Oh, interesting.

1:13:35Andrew Edwards:No, I put down economy because I'm a man of the people. In which case you prefer...

1:13:40Marques Brownlee:one thing. Yeah, yeah. 100%. Okay, I think that helps me know what you said. Well, it doesn't matter what you mean.

1:13:48Andrew Edwards:Okay, well, with my deductive reasoning and my 50-50 % chance of getting it right, I do know on United that the aisle seat has smaller footroom. What? Really? Yeah.

1:14:03Marques Brownlee:Like when you're putting your backpack under, actually the backpack room is smaller than the window seat, which is important.

1:14:09Andrew Edwards:The seat rails. But I do know you're a man of long legs. And so. My legs the long way. That does make me feel like you would prefer more space. You like a view, but I feel like you value being closer to the snacks, which makes me feel like. This is the most like LLM. No, wait. You like a view, but you also prefer. I cannot answer this question. And I feel like you are an ILC Burley. You nailed it, Mariah. We gotta lock in. Soundboard 2.0 has a long way button if you go to page one. Waveform podcast the long way. Very nice. Okay, we gotta lock in. We never mentioned we updated the soundboard. You guys have been asking for weeks.

1:14:58Andrew Edwards:There's a lot of new stuff on here. We're trickling them out. They'll be rolling out over the upcoming weeks.

1:15:05Marques Brownlee:Lock in, lock in. We need this three-pointer right now. Okay. We need this tray. Try. Triple. Triple. Triple. Triple. We need this trip.

1:15:14Andrew Edwards:Yep. Triple double flip. Your partner is making a list of specs in a Google Doc. Okay. Are they using dashes or bullet points? Oh, no.

1:15:25Marques Brownlee:What kind of question is this?

1:15:26Andrew Edwards:No, dude, it's important. Designed to make you fight. Dude. Andrew and I. Wait. Don't give too much away.

1:15:33Marques Brownlee:That's true. I can't say. well no but Marquez is the one that's I'm guessing him so it doesn't matter it doesn't matter what I put Andrew and I kind of co-write the podcast together and I use bullet points and he uses dashes and it's infuriating and I'm sure it's also infuriating for him did I use

1:15:55Andrew Edwards:I love the bullet points I don't know man I have a real big brain answer for this I have a small brain answer and it proves that I'm right that's also the big brain answer surprisingly alright flip and read what do we got no no no no no don't do that wait we're not ready yet we haven't guessed yet remember you're right I'm in trivia mode do not flip and read

1:16:18Marques Brownlee:should I trip it right now should I trip this it is 50-50 it might be worth tripping I'm gonna trip it I'm tripping for bullets Marquez

1:16:33Andrew Edwards:thank you Marquez dashes from me dog

1:16:38Marques Brownlee:dashes

1:16:40Andrew Edwards:you literally just said he uses bullets

1:16:43Marques Brownlee:no I use bullets Andrew uses dashes where do you think he got that from daddy Ellis you're up

1:16:53Andrew Edwards:I'm just trying to think if I've we've definitely collabed on a google doc before I just can't remember what you do but I believe so strongly that one of these is the right answer. And I believe that answer is dashes, which is why I'm going to say, Mariah, you're probably a bullet point person. Nice. Let's go. Nice. I knew if I went with my gut, I'd be wrong. I should have known that too. I like dashes because you don't need to click the mouse. That's true. That's true. You don't need to click the mouse. If you just hit the dash button on a new line and then hit space, it goes into formatting.

1:17:25Andrew Edwards:But it turns into a bullet. I think that's if you hit enter, it turns it into a bullet.

1:17:30Marques Brownlee:No, it never turns into a bullet. I do it all the time. Wait, so you do use bullets? No, I hit a dash and hit space and it makes it a bullet. In what word processor?

1:17:39Andrew Edwards:Maybe it's not Google Docs. So you use bullets? In Apple Notes, I can say with 100 % certainty it's dashes. Yeah, but it's Apple Notes.

1:17:46Marques Brownlee:In TicTic, I know, it makes it bullets, but maybe... The question was Google Docs.

1:17:49Andrew Edwards:It was about Google Docs. I think in Google Docs it's also dashes. I was going to say, wait, so what do you think happens? Let me test it out right now. So if you hit, create a new line. Yeah. Create a new line. Hit dash. And then hit space. And then it should indent it. It stays a dash. Let's go. But it indents it? Yeah. It indents it, but it stays a dash.

1:18:09Marques Brownlee:But I think you might be thinking of TickTick. There's a couple apps that treat it differently. Damn. Yeah.

1:18:13Andrew Edwards:Wow.

1:18:14Marques Brownlee:Another zero.

1:18:15Andrew Edwards:I'm sorry, how many points we got around now?

1:18:17Marques Brownlee:Six points. All right. Marques, you got to use your trip on me. I do. You got to know what I'm thinking. Yeah. I'm trying to lock in. I'm locking in.

1:18:26Andrew Edwards:Lock in. Okay. Are we ready? If they had to use one kind of phone for the next year, would it fold or flip? Me? You got to pick one.

1:18:44Andrew Edwards:Oh, God. Sorry. For the next one year. For the next year. Just a year. No. It's terrible.

1:18:53Marques Brownlee:No it's okay I'm the sound guy Okay I got one I think I got one

1:18:59Andrew Edwards:I'm nervous My eraser looks like Pig pen from the peanuts My board does because of the lack of quality Of my eraser I'm nervous

1:19:08Marques Brownlee:I think Mariah should go first

1:19:10Andrew Edwards:Mariah what'd I put I feel like it's the opposite of what I would do It is You don't even know what I'm going to say I do know what you're going to say I have tiny pockets so I'd want the flip so I feel like you want the fold. Exactly. Because I love, that was really loud. I'm sorry about that. I love performatively reading and there's nothing better than reading on a folding phone. It's like a book but not. When you have a folding phone folded out and you're able to have two columns of text, it actually is like a game changer. And it says, look at me. Yeah. Look at me. Not quite as much as a book though.

1:19:41Andrew Edwards:I'm reading. I'm better than you. I don't want to use my confidence. Sixers and sevens. Even in your fantasy, you have Sixers going to the game seven.

1:19:50Marques Brownlee:I'd be careful. because that's I'm like 78 % sure of this one yeah 78 not 67 but unfortunately that's 76 22 % unsure which is like one for five yeah and I don't I think you would want to max out and get a fold it's one year you could you could edit photos you could use yeah I'm gonna go fold fold let's go nice you didn't use the confidence you did not use the confidence yeah I wasn't confident yeah I haven't used a flip a flip since the first Z flip they're fun yeah the flip sevens fantastic the new ones are great yeah I should try one of the new ones it's been a while okay next question we didn't fall behind did not fall behind no we need to hit a huge three to cut the lead to one huge trip

1:20:44Andrew Edwards:huge trip yeah yeah What is one thing that your partner actually uses AI for? Go.

1:20:56Andrew Edwards:Editing his videos.

1:20:58Marques Brownlee:I've answered this on the podcast already. Am I allowed to guess?

1:21:01Andrew Edwards:You have nothing. Sure, yeah. That's enough.

1:21:04Marques Brownlee:I wish I could use my trip right now because I know this. Damn. Wait, why can't you use your trip?

1:21:11Andrew Edwards:Because I already used it.

1:21:12Marques Brownlee:Oh, I tried already. I think I know this. I might not no oh wait I guess I didn't have to write it down okay I wrote well I'm saying brainstorming okay does that count? the second thing I use it for the number one thing I use it for is it for emails? yeah you guys all looked at me like I had my head chopped off I hate when I get an email that was clearly written by AI that's why I make it unclear

1:21:47Andrew Edwards:keep them guessing honestly all of the emails

1:21:51Marques Brownlee:AI talking to AI anymore at least I didn't use my trip you know what I'm saying yeah true Mariah you're not wrong

1:22:00Andrew Edwards:my first instinct is that you wrote you don't use it for anything but I do know of one thing that you use it for occasionally and I just don't know if you put it or not because it's so infrequent which is when you had a pixel editing photos to make them funny in Slack. Like you did the one of you touching the ceiling and jumping really high. Oh, yeah. That's funny. But I don't think you did that. I think you wrote nothing. I think nothing was my default. But then I realized I actually do use it only to compile lists. So I'll feed it like an image that I want it to turn into a list. or a receipt and I want it to break it down.

1:22:47Andrew Edwards:And that's all I really use it for. Wait, that's actually a really smart use case. Yeah, I'm not going to do the math. I don't want to figure it out. It's valid. Otherwise, nothing. Okay. Well, score is still seven to three. Let's go.

1:22:59Marques Brownlee:Lock in, lock in.

1:23:00Andrew Edwards:Who has their trips left? Only Marquez. Just me. I guess I got to use it soon. Okay. How many questions are left? I have... Enough for us to win. I have five questions left, but AI has like 30 pulled up. Okay, David. Yeah, I'm ready. Locked. Locked. The f***? I'm in. Locked and loaded. Speaking of locking in, great segue. What is one sign that your partner is locked in and in the zone and should not be bothered? Me? What?

1:23:30Marques Brownlee:I already forgot who was

1:23:33Andrew Edwards:writing. Who just...

1:23:35Marques Brownlee:Okay, yeah. I think that was a pretty clear one. Okay. I'm trying to think if there's any others.

1:23:43Andrew Edwards:quick reminder the only one with a trip is Marquez I think I'm going to use it damn David I think this trip thing might stick I'm going to start calling him that Mike baby with the trip yeah why not sure else is still writing sorry I wrote tried to write a letter but it looked like another letter and I didn't want the viewers to laugh at me they're going to do that anyway and I welcome it I'm wearing a blue dog on my head this is not alright should I go first yeah

1:24:19Marques Brownlee:I'm using my I'm using my confidence oh snap my three okay using the trip I think when David's locked in he's got his airpods in don't interrupt what he's doing he's he's in the zone okay it's just like my airpods in he's got headphones on somehow yeah David uh does this count I can't hear you the f*** does that mean what do you mean by that okay you know when okay it's like when I'm locked in right I'm like I'm working on something and I'm thinking really hard and someone's like hey David David David and I can't hear them because you have headphones well sometimes you because you have headphones your own partner is like no I can't hear you because I have headphones on I feel like that's close enough I think that's fair he's got metaphorical headphones on.

1:25:08Marques Brownlee:Yeah, brain headphones. Where's your competitive spirit? For the sake of the game, I'll give it to them. Yeah. That's nice.

1:25:14Andrew Edwards:That was the most roundabout way of saying that, though.

1:25:15Marques Brownlee:Now it's six to seven. Damn it. That's true. After selling our team out like that.

1:25:23Andrew Edwards:I think if you're at work here, I think the door is closed.

1:25:29Marques Brownlee:Boom, baby! Let's go!

1:25:31Andrew Edwards:That's like the most obvious.

1:25:33Marques Brownlee:That seemed like an Ellis question. Give me a little reverb right now.

1:25:37Andrew Edwards:Let's go!

1:25:41Andrew Edwards:Nice. I actually thought that that was... Like Ellis' answer was obviously if he's like in the audio room or clothes, whatever. I thought the obvious other answer was you're wearing headphones. So I was like, this will be an easy point. So did I. You both got it.

1:25:57Marques Brownlee:I wear headphones all the time. Like, I wear headphones like 80 % of my waking life.

1:26:03Andrew Edwards:Was that Marquez's confidence answer? That was. so now it's 8-6 it's okay we're still winning you're winning by 2 the score is 8-6 how many more questions do you guys want enough for us to win so 3 more questions

1:26:20Marques Brownlee:3 more questions if you miss 1 it's game over

1:26:25Andrew Edwards:yeah can't miss it's a game winning 3 we gotta get perfect score game winning trip game winning trip as they say in the league Bibi style. Bibi style. All right. Bibi bubble head. Do you think Mike Bibi listens to this podcast? God, I hope so. Because he used to be one of my favorite players. Yeah. He's lit. Yeah.

1:26:46Marques Brownlee:Just like Slovakovich or whatever his name is. Stojakovich. Slovakovich.

1:26:50Andrew Edwards:Nice. Nice.

1:26:51Marques Brownlee:Look at you, David. I'm so proud of you. Hey, man. Slovakovich. I was living here. David knows ball. I live near Sacramento. Near.

1:26:58Andrew Edwards:All right. Yeah. What is the screen time on your partner's phone right now? Screen time. For the day? Delta. clothes going over. We'll do Delta with this one. Which phone? What would you consider is your primary phone? The OnePlus 15. I have one more question. Is it listed as a decimal? It's hours and 15. Hours and minutes. Hours and 15. It's listed in hour and 15 increments. In my head I was just picturing like 8 hours and 15 minutes. So I said 15. Screen time today. screen time today thus far today to Diddy

1:27:40Marques Brownlee:mind you what time is it

1:27:41Andrew Edwards:it is now 12.53 in the p.m. alright I'm gonna guess 1 hour 15 minutes 1 hour and 15 minutes Marquez 13 minutes off Marquez put 1 hour and 28 minutes so you're 13 minutes off we're locked in can Mariah and Ellis beat this I'm going to try to live my day in the world of Mariah. I've explained this. And take a wild guess, right? It's like 1254. Mariah's like 12 hours 54. I think Mariah wakes up unbelievably early due to the horrors. I think Mariah is confronted by the horrors. It's a fair guess. The screens. Yeah, almost immediately. And resolves this by going on her phone. I think this begins at approximately 10 a.m.

1:28:33Andrew Edwards:that's when work starts mariah i think thus far today it's like 25 does does driving apps count a screen on time yeah it does it does it takes you into account carplay however yeah i think you've used your phone for two hours oh man i'm already wrong two hours and 27 minutes okay so i have to preface this with i have switched to the s24 ultra it does fun things fun things that punish you and that means that when you plug in your phone you can have it show a little picture slide shows how cute when you plug it in overnight it counts that as screen time

1:29:19Marques Brownlee:really? did they even test this?

1:29:22Andrew Edwards:and so I'll wake up and it'll say 10 hours of screen time I'm like that's crazy I've been unconscious and so today it decided that I have had 5 hours and 9 minutes of screen time which means it didn't even show pictures all night long so what's the point?

1:29:38Marques Brownlee:I think you should be a professional phone Rivera Murrah you're actually finding the crazy

1:29:43Andrew Edwards:this was a huge problem that point goes to Marquez and David we were doomed we only need two more points they just need to miss one question

1:29:56Marques Brownlee:it's not enough that we just need to make one question and we tie in which case we got a shot it's game 7

1:30:08Andrew Edwards:game 7 it said on Sunday I had 11 and a half hours of screen time and half of that's from the Google photos 11 and a half hours Wow, that's a lot. That's wild. Okay, next question. For the tie or to pull away, how many unread emails are in your partner's main inbox right now? Marquez's? Yep.

1:30:31Marques Brownlee:No, it's yours. It's mine?

1:30:32Andrew Edwards:You're talking about like personal email. We just answered.

1:30:34Marques Brownlee:Or work email. How many emails are in your inbox? My main email. Main. Yeah, unread emails.

1:30:41Andrew Edwards:Because I know David has like the all inbox features. Can I look? Yeah, you're supposed to look.

1:30:45Marques Brownlee:By main, you mean my professional one, right? It just says main 99 plus. It doesn't tell us. Yeah, it stops. Main as in professional, not like my high school one that I use for spam, right? On desktop, I think you can see the full number.

1:30:57Andrew Edwards:I'm just going to go by the number that's on my iOS icon red. Okay, yeah.

1:31:03Marques Brownlee:Wait, should I do that too? Sure. But that's also got my spam email in it.

1:31:06Andrew Edwards:Okay, fine. Screw it. Let's do that.

1:31:08Marques Brownlee:Should we do it? Yeah, why not?

1:31:09Andrew Edwards:Just do the number on your home screen. Do it all. Okay. It's really important. Is this quote? Is this? we'll do delta with this one we'll do delta no wait that's gonna be crazy okay closest without going over I don't want to do math yeah closest

1:31:21Marques Brownlee:without going over okay closest without going over I feel like you have commas in your number

1:31:29Marques Brownlee:oh man we're the worst we are the worst

1:31:36Andrew Edwards:to be fair I really try to to make this better every week and it never gets better it doesn't matter. It compounds. It does. It's okay. These numbers are terrible. They're going to be atrocious. Is this like your oldest email?

1:31:55Marques Brownlee:This is like the Gmail icon on your home screen. So it counts for all of your emails. Oh, it compounds

1:32:01Andrew Edwards:all of them. I think so, yeah. This number is in the thousands. This is thousands of emails. I can't speak. I'm not going to make any faces. I just want you to dig deep into your heart and give me the perfect number Mariah.

1:32:14Marques Brownlee:I think this has to be.

1:32:18Andrew Edwards:But don't go over.

1:32:19Marques Brownlee:Yeah. At least I'm going to say a round number. 10 ,000.

1:32:25Andrew Edwards:Okay. 10 ,000. Mariah goaded answer. Whoa. Crap. What's the answer? The answer is 10 ,097. That's so good.

1:32:34Marques Brownlee:How many emails accounts do you have? I have four. This is as close as with going over but not Delta, right? I have to get within 97 of your number without going over. Or the game is over.

1:32:44Andrew Edwards:No pressure, Marquez. We're asking you to make a double coverage logo three. It's game time.

1:32:49Marques Brownlee:And David's, without question, a ridiculous number. But how ridiculous? It's more than that, if I had to guess. I do think so. They did sit next to each other for a long time. There's a sure comma in there. David asked about the icon and the spam email and all kinds of other stuff. So I'm going with almost an Olivia-like number here. I think you have like, let's go with 34 ,006.

1:33:19Andrew Edwards:Can it go that high?

1:33:21Marques Brownlee:We're about to find out. No, I have 11 ,927.

1:33:27Andrew Edwards:That means Mariah and Ellis win the game.

1:33:35Marques Brownlee:Well played. Wow. That's an incredible snipe, 10 ,000 emails. That was really good. That was crazy.

1:33:41Andrew Edwards:it feels appropriate

1:33:42Marques Brownlee:you know how they say if you have 10 ,000 hours in something you're a master how many unread emails do you think I have right now I don't know like one I was excited to guess for you it's probably one or two it's zero it'll be how many I got during the podcast as we've sat here if I got to guess for Marquez it would have been incredible we would have gotten a point but yeah there's really no knowing how many emails I have 13. Give it time. 13? That's a lot.

1:34:12Andrew Edwards:For the past. Get it together, bro.

1:34:15Marques Brownlee:Just sitting here, yeah. That's crazy. Not bad. All right. Well, we're going to take it to ad break

1:34:21Andrew Edwards:while Mariah and I high five a few times, and then we'll be back. Well, we got to do trivia questions, right? Oh, my God. I forgot. Oh, yeah. Do we do them from here? Yeah, because I have my question memorized because I'm a freaking... Because he's a Baudia beast. Add us with a trivia question.

1:34:40Andrew Edwards:I love that that might be my favorite one that's so good guys yeah guys yep we're all excited for the Pixelbook glow because it has lights on the outside that's right but I don't know if you remember back in the day MacBook also had some lights on the outside talked about it last week real dorks will remember that the light on the outside of the MacBook that glowing logo was not actually a dedicated component. What component already present in the laptop was used to illuminate the logo? Oh, that's a good trivia question. Thank you. Cool. Grok context, please. Oh, Mariah, you will be answering for Andrew.

1:35:21Andrew Edwards:Yes, this week.

1:35:22Marques Brownlee:I'm so sorry, Andrew.

1:35:24Andrew Edwards:What's it called in the Hunger Games? When they're like... Tribute? Is that what? No, maybe I'm thinking of someone else. When you have to go... You're champion. You are Andrew's champion. How did I get the Hunger Games and Dune mixed up? Same vibe. Hit the boo button.

1:35:38Marques Brownlee:Nice. Well, the answers will be at the end, like usual. We'll be right back.

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1:37:17Marques Brownlee:Start selling on Depop, where taste recognizes taste. Welcome back. there's a post on our subreddit that I want to address no David there's a post that says which people do you think hate each other on waveform we all love each other guys it's not like that the post said that Ellis and I hate each other which is crazy because we would kiss in the Vision Pro if we could we only have one

1:37:46Andrew Edwards:literally every Wednesday David and I get Chinese food for breakfast together and drive to work it's not like that Shut up, man! So I just wanted to say that everyone here loves each other deeply.

1:37:57Marques Brownlee:It's good. It's very good.

1:37:58Andrew Edwards:Oh, my God.

1:37:59Marques Brownlee:Exactly.

1:38:00Andrew Edwards:Adam loves that new button so much.

1:38:02Marques Brownlee:It's so good. You got to chill with that button. Yeah. So, yeah, there wasn't a lot of news this week.

1:38:08Andrew Edwards:Yes, but people did tag me in something that I had no idea what was going on. And I was like, well, what are you talking about? And then I figured that I would ask David here on the pod because I have him here on the pod to talk about your picture going viral.

1:38:21Marques Brownlee:So I saw your tweet. Okay. Well, okay. I saw it on Twitter and threads. Yeah. I first saw it quote tweeted on Twitter. So someone else tweeted it on my timeline. And then I saw that I'd clicked in and it had like 10 ,000 retweets or something. Yeah. And then I opened up threads and I saw it on threads too from you this time. And it had, I think, 8 ,000 likes on threads. Yeah, yeah. So it's a certified banger. What is the post? Okay. And what happened? And where were you? I just want to ask, do you guys know what a visual metaphor is? No. Yes. No, not on the internet. Those don't exist. Can you describe a visual metaphor, Marquez?

1:38:57Marques Brownlee:Well, a simile is when you compare things using the word like, and a metaphor is when you compare things without using the word like. Wow. So instead of saying, this car is like a boat, I would say, this car is a boat. Anyway, a visual metaphor is comparing things visually without using any, this is kind of like this language. Yeah. Okay. Is that what your post was? Okay, so I just want to give you some... Yes. Okay, so... Last Saturday, I walked 29 ,000 steps because it was a really nice day. Weird flex, but okay. Just got to let you know. I respect it. I'm still in pain. So anyway, I got to my destination, but I overshot it by a little bit.

1:39:38Marques Brownlee:There was a little park there, so I sat in the park, and it's classic New York, beautiful late afternoon, sun-setting park. In New York, there are these chess tables, where there are tables that have like the chess board like embedded in the stone table. Kind of famous. Iconic New York situation, right? And I was sitting there and I saw this guy sitting on his chess tables with his laptop like in his lap playing chess on like a chess website. Like chess.com. Website, yeah, chess.com like on the chess table with no one across from him. And I was just like, visual metaphor, right? this is the photographer's eye you've trained for years so i use my iphone air at 6x zoom from very far away which is really bad uh but it's what i had on me and i took a photo i made

1:40:31Andrew Edwards:sure to like david you know what they say about the camera you have on you it's the worst it's the worst uh you know i made sure to crop out any identifying features about him i only had like his

1:40:42Marques Brownlee:hands with the laptop so you could see the screen that was the chess app or the chess website with the chessboard and I made sure to shoot it from high enough down so you could see the chessboard on the table. Anyway, I was just like, I just put it on social media and I said 2026. Yeah. Because it represents, it's a visual metaphor because it represents the fact that we are no longer playing things in front of each other, doing connection in front of each other. Now everything you do is online and you're connecting with strangers that you don't really know. Metaphors hit a lot harder when you explain them.

1:41:14Marques Brownlee:I mean, apparently I have to. This is what, okay, this is what. What's the beef? Most of their quote tweets and the replies and everything were just like, well, who is he supposed to play with? There was no one on the other side. I was like, yes, that is the entire point. Yeah. That's what makes it a good thing. And there were people that were like, don't judge, don't judge strangers. And I was like, I'm not judging him.

1:41:39Andrew Edwards:They're judging them. It's a visual metaphor for our society. Your caption was 2026. That's all the caption was. It's clearly saying like this picture represents this year. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I do see how this could be threads rage bait. I'm not going to lie. Ooh. Talk about it, Mariah.

1:41:57Marques Brownlee:Rage bait? Talk about it.

1:41:58Andrew Edwards:There's a lot of posts on threads that are just kind of like, look at this thing.

1:42:01Marques Brownlee:Yeah, but I didn't say, look at this guy. What a loser playing chess by himself.

1:42:05Andrew Edwards:You know what I mean? Like it's something generic enough. It hits a mainstream audience and then there's no nothing to guide the interpretation. So it's just open to what anyone thinks. I love the picture.

1:42:16Marques Brownlee:The problem with all algorithmic social media.

1:42:19Andrew Edwards:You disagree.

1:42:21Marques Brownlee:Sorry. No, I want your take. I want your take. No, I disagree with Mariah. Oh. I think,

1:42:26Andrew Edwards:I think, man,

1:42:29Marques Brownlee:I don't want to insult people. Yeah, look at these comments. It's almost as if he needs another person to play chess. Yes.

1:42:35Andrew Edwards:They're taking a literal interpretation of it. Yeah. And they're not understanding the visual metaphor. I think this screams that, you know, we talk about like media literacy being in crisis. like to me this is like a slam dunk of literacy like like it could it could it's like the if we lost the ability to process like symbolism yeah yeah what like social media just flattens everything to which to mariah's point is the mainstream like once it hits that mainstream audience you lose

1:43:04Marques Brownlee:all that you lose a nuance yeah yeah and you get like karen from ohio like i think yeah where's the other person.

1:43:10Andrew Edwards:But that's a problem. Yeah. Yeah. It's like a big problem. Yeah. Yeah. That's why it was such a beautiful post. And thank you for people tagging me, telling me to talk about it. Yeah. It seems like it started a conversation, good or bad. So I think that's probably the most interesting part of it.

1:43:27Marques Brownlee:Yeah. It hit the Twitter number one what's happening today thing. Someone sent me a screenshot of that. You know what's super funny too is the amount of people that like acquaintances that I have that sent me like meme compilation pages that just stole the post and like removed my name so i was gonna say that's how i first saw the

1:43:44Andrew Edwards:picture was someone just posted your picture yeah and like had a caption like this is what's wrong with 20 and i was like okay scroll right by whatever and then i saw yours and i was like wait a second yeah this is david's picture yeah so he tweeted this six years ago now i know what

1:43:58Marques Brownlee:it feels yeah exactly now i know what it feels like to uh have someone just rip your content and make put it on meme pages and stuff yeah but i've had a ton of people send me like various meme pages that just it's like whatever i don't have no experience with that not at all i was gonna say welcome to the life cycle of a viral social media post it yeah it will be stripped of its context and read digested by every other commentator and their own angle yeah and there's nothing you can do about it yeah the thing about social media that i that i think sometimes interesting okay i had a conversation this is an off off camera off kilter random conversation i had with a YouTube engineer about features that they could add or not add to YouTube.

1:44:39Marques Brownlee:Okay. And they told me, you know, in a few words that they tend to be pretty minimal with the features that they add or don't add. And algorithmically, they could make big changes, but they tend not to. And they let people's algorithms reflect them. Like they could choose to push certain things or even remove certain things from the algorithm because it would be better for society in their own judgment. But the second you make a judgment and influence it, then slippery slope, you have to judge a whole bunch of other things. There's also all the section 230 problems that come along with that. So his basic stance was like, YouTube is like, it's so dense with media and so many people and so much stuff that it's kind of just like a mirror of society and all the good and all the bad.

1:45:25Marques Brownlee:And when a post goes viral, it's like unnaturally exposing your art to the whole world. Usually it doesn't work that way. Usually you expose it to the audience it's designed for and that's it. But on social media, you can sometimes expose it to the entire world, which comes with all of the interesting positive interpretations and then all of the random people who were never meant to see this, who have all sorts of nonsensical things to say about it. And yeah, that happens all the time. Yeah. Well, it's kind of a bummer when they don't get it. There's even like when it's stripped of, there's even, there's things like cultural context, right?

1:46:00Marques Brownlee:like when when you're shown to the entire world on a platform yeah all of the context is just like you're gonna be shown to people who just do not understand what you're trying to say or like the target demographic is no longer the only audience of that yeah so i don't know i don't even care about the you know the meme pages stealing it and stuff i just found it funny that like multiple people that i know sent it to me but it's more i was more frustrated by like 80 % of the replies and quote tweets just like a lot of them I think they did understand the visual metaphor but they were rage baiting by quote tweeting and being like what a f***ing dumbass I just

1:46:38Andrew Edwards:that's also how people get likes themselves I know if you hop onto the thing that's popular

1:46:44Marques Brownlee:there's a guy that quote tweeted me and he was very nice he said this photo deserves a Pulitzer and his his quote tweet got like almost as many likes as the post and then I saw him post later like wow my posted numbers I was like you didn't make a post you just quote tweeted my post yeah what is social media anymore it's like it's just like big competition

1:47:07Andrew Edwards:it's hard because it makes me like kind of not want to engage and interact on platforms I I've

1:47:14Marques Brownlee:been thinking about this so much for the last couple of years like I'm less and less inclined to say anything on social media anymore because it feels like the incentive structures are all leaning towards people having opposing opinions to you. Most inflammatory possible response will be rewarded the most. Yeah, exactly, exactly. And so like having any opinion or posting anything, people are just gonna come for you. And it's like, why am I even putting this out into the world if I'm just inviting people to scream at me? I'm gonna clip that, put it on TikTok.

1:47:47Andrew Edwards:Good.

1:47:48Marques Brownlee:then I'm gonna repost it after you do that we live in the clip economy now baby

1:47:53Andrew Edwards:so anyway David thank you for explaining that to me because I had no idea what they were talking about until they tagged me in it thank you for your service thank you for your service to the world you're welcome it deserves a Pulitzer alright on to trivia

1:48:09Marques Brownlee:this is my new trivia starting gesture

1:48:13Andrew Edwards:that's also the time out gesture

1:48:14Marques Brownlee:making a T with your hands this is the technical foul this is trivia

1:48:17Andrew Edwards:I was going to say, like, I just feel like you're giving me a tech. Ellis. Trivia tech. If you can call it a tech, you should be able to call it a trip. Just saying. Got him. That's. I like it. I'm on board with this trip whole situation. This whole trip situation. All right. Question number one. Chromebook Pixel came out in 2013. This is Mariah's first time hearing this question. So you have to answer for Andrew. Okay. What was the size of the screen? Closest without going over. Of which device? The Chromebook Pixel that came out in 2013 was a laptop. A Chromebook. I wasn't born yet. Yeah. Ellis only came on live in 2014.

1:49:00Marques Brownlee:That wasn't the one with the light bars, was it? It was. Oh, shoot. I didn't have that one. I had the one that folded in half. That, like, folded over itself. The Pixelbook. I had the Pixelbook. Oh, yeah. Chromebook Pixel. Oh, gee. Yep. The CR48? CR47? That was OG. One of them. I don't know. Oh, but he's talking about the first premium one. Yes. Okay. That was 90. CR48 was matte black unbranded with a light bar. It was sick. Had a light bar? Or maybe not a light bar. I think the premium one had the light bar. Yeah.

1:49:30Andrew Edwards:Yeah. All right. Flip them and read. What do we got?

1:49:34Marques Brownlee:We have a resolution. All over the praise. All right. Who wants to go first? I wrote 12 inches. Okay. I said 14. Okay. I was thinking Chromebook size. so I said like 10.

1:49:46Andrew Edwards:Alright, the winner. Wait, what about Ellis? No, Ellis is... What about Ellis?

1:49:51Marques Brownlee:Oh, right, right. Serving master. It's the bar. I was just thinking about you. As always. Because I love you. I love you too. Okay.

1:50:00Andrew Edwards:I'm teeing you up with a... I thought it was like 13 points. That can't happen when it's supposed to. It's funny or out of context.

1:50:10Marques Brownlee:I'm afraid that it's between 12 and 14.

1:50:13Andrew Edwards:wait so what size is it

1:50:14Marques Brownlee:it is come on baby 14.2 12.2

1:50:20Andrew Edwards:12.85 no

1:50:22Marques Brownlee:oh let's go David gets the point let's go damn I forgot laptops used to be smaller yeah little babies alright that was should have been counted for inflation there netbooks that uses EEE PC I had one of those what the

1:50:45Andrew Edwards:wow it's so good i can't believe i you know i put that button in there i was like i don't think we're gonna use that it's so good all right guys

1:50:56Andrew Edwards:what made the logo on the back of the old macbook pros glow Closest without going over. The CPU.

1:51:07Marques Brownlee:The CPU. Technically it powered it. Who's to say really there's anything in the computer?

1:51:19Marques Brownlee:God. Andrew, come back. It's all computer. Everything's computer. Name a part of a PC. Everything's computer. It's beautiful. All right.

1:51:31Andrew Edwards:I also don't know the answer to this so I'm gonna wait yeah I'm gonna wait on Ellis

1:51:34Marques Brownlee:this is one of those perfectly structured trivia questions where I don't know the answer but because of the way it's formatted I learned the answer and I'm pretty sure I'm right cool alright

1:51:46Andrew Edwards:I thought this would be more of a layup I have a guess I just don't know yeah let's see it

1:51:53Marques Brownlee:David you put I wrote the LCD Marquez you put the LCD backlight right you put

1:51:59Andrew Edwards:I put display but I meant also LCD or God? I need a concept here. Display or God. I think LCD. The way an LCD screen works for those who don't know is you have these, I believe they're liquid crystals. Light emitting diodes? No, LCD. So you have these liquid crystal. I think they're based on quartz, these structures. And they can twist, right? When you run current through them, they have the ability to twist. And when they twist certain ways, they can block light. When they twist other ways, they don't block light. Liquid crystal. So what you do is you put a big light behind that called a backlight.

1:52:33Andrew Edwards:Yeah. And then each crystal will twist and untwist. And that's what, you know, blocks the light and creates different pixel color brightnesses, whatever. So the way that the glowing logo and those old metal MacBook Pros, if you're ancient and remember, what they do is they just cut out the aluminum so that the backlight shone through. So should we give everyone the point or just Marques? Because Marques was the only one that put backlight. but I feel like I'm the only one.

1:53:03Marques Brownlee:In Jeopardy, they would have said can you be more specific? And I would have said the backlight. Well, if they asked me to be more specific, I would have said the backlight. I hope you would have said that.

1:53:11Andrew Edwards:Next time I'm going to say can you be more specific, but I think we should award three points. So they all get the point? Thank you, God.

1:53:21Marques Brownlee:Good luck, Andrew. Good luck out there. I can't believe this. I feel like I'm the only one who should be getting a blue.

1:53:31Andrew Edwards:Normally I am that strict, but I don't know. I'm feeling kind of good today. Maybe I'm trying to put.

1:53:37Marques Brownlee:But I said that was a good question because as you, as you said, the logo is not its own component. I said, oh, I had no idea. Yeah. And he said, which part of the PC illuminated it? So I had to deduce that the only reasonable answer is they use the backside of the backlight. Exactly.

1:53:52Andrew Edwards:It was one of those really clever Apple decisions where they discovered if we just cut the aluminum like this, it'll glow because of the backlight until you're using it outdoors in a really bright area and then there's a part of your screen with lower contrast in the shape of the Apple logo in the center. Cool.

1:54:10Marques Brownlee:Sweet. Okay. Alright. Well, comment section let me know if you disagree with that ruling. And let me know if liquid crystals are not actually based on quartz.

1:54:21Andrew Edwards:Can somebody tell me what happens inside of a computer?

1:54:26Marques Brownlee:and that's our next episode thanks for watching thank you for listening and for tuning in this week and of course when all the news happens on Thursday we'll be here next week to talk about it as well catch you guys later peace goodbye peace six and seven Waveform produced by Adam Alia and Alice Revin and this week Mariah Zink we are part of the Vox media podcast network and our intro outro music is produced by Vane Sill it's the Waveform Bros whose voice is that it's yours I was like that sounded like me did I say it

1:54:58Andrew Edwards:it's you

1:54:59Marques Brownlee:I don't remember saying that I don't remember why you said that I don't remember we cannot find a context either we gotta use that as like an intro jingle or like an outro jingle for every episode it's so good

1:55:16Marques Brownlee:Frome ran on four gigs of RAM back in the day that's crazy