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15:37Marques Brownlee:Oh, that's dumb because when you add a something to the grocery list, it has that means you have to have a list in keep called groceries. Yes. So that's a different list. I, you know, we this might not be the same forever, but when we were testing this extensively, we had it just called a grocery shopping list and it didn't work and we changed it to be called Instacart shopping list and then it did work. That's crazy. So you have to have a shopping list in Google Keep, which is already really specific and it has to be called something specific so that Gemini intelligence can know that it's a shopping list even though it apparently can't just be called shopping list and then it will like suggest meals based on the things that you have in your shopping list that will open up instacart and like be like you should buy these items it's just like the the the way that i put this in my review was like it feels like these were made in the like silicon valley society if utopia factory where some CEO was like, I want to do 5 % less work.

16:35So this extremely specific set of scenarios and use cases that I have in my life, we're going to ship for everybody. Yeah. I would almost even say it feels like big idea,

16:50David Imel:so many restrictions, we have to narrow it down to the smallest idea possible where we hope we can nail a demo of it. And Google doesn't tell you what those parameters are. That's the other thing. Like they don't tell you what you need to actually invoke these things. And that's what's confusing. And I get it. I talked to them and they were like, well, we don't want to make it pop up too often. Right? We don't want to accidentally invoke these chips. Yeah. But they don't tell you what the parameters of actually invoking the chips are in the first place.

17:17Marques Brownlee:It is really interesting. It's almost like the opposite of like the Tesla approach where they'll get on stage and be like, yeah, your car will just be able to drive on any street at any time all the time.

17:26David Imel:It'll fly.

17:27Marques Brownlee:And you're like, wait, all the time? and you're like, well, there will be some roads where you ask it and it'll mess up and you'll have to take control and then turn it back on later. But just for the sake of simplicity, it'll work all the time on everything. And you're like, geez, that's a big claim. And Google's on the other side like, yeah, so if you wanted to book a concert ticket after you see a poster that has all the details for the concert dates and times on it, and you take a picture of it with our app and then you enable the permissions, it'll probably book those tickets for you. And the concert's on Ticketmaster.

17:58and you went into the settings and you checked it out. Yeah, it's ironic to me because I feel like the way that Gemini has been pitched in the past has been, Google understands what's on your screen. It agentically reads what's happening on your phone. You don't need to have these app hooks like Apple has. Like Siri, these developers build in these API tools to make it so Siri can access these apps and agentically use the apps for you. And Google's mentality, it seems like what they've been pitching is that you don't really have to do any of this and Gemini just knows what's happening and it can just figure it out.

18:32But that's not what they're shipping with Gemini Intelligence. Proactive assistants, it's very specific.

18:39David Imel:It feels like AI, the dream AI for so long is like, I want a personal assistant that knows everything about me. Every AI that I've seen has felt like you hire the personal assistant and it is their first day every single day where they're way too scared to do anything. It's like, if you ask your assistant, to like fix the grocery list and they're like, oh yeah, yeah, I got that. What kind of butter do you like? Oh, is it okay if I get 2 % milk? Oh, okay, cool. Yeah. Prime or select choice steak. Okay. Just like, it has to ask you every single thing to that point. It's like, I'm just kind of, it reminds me of my first week ever working here.

19:14And I felt like I had to ask you permission for every single small thing that I wanted to.

19:18Marques Brownlee:So theoretically, there's a time where you get over that hump, but it knows all your preferences and then it's really good.

19:23David Imel:And I want to give them a little credit. Yeah. Because I'd rather that happen than it just go full blown. For sure. On the other side, Google, this is a little off topic, but I had my first time where Google, at least I noticed, took a stack of photos and did the face swap thing without telling me about it. Oh, yeah. I always take. I thought best take was an option. And I took three pictures really quick of Lane and Owen, where one Owen's looking, one's Lane looking. And then it added a third one. Sorry, I took two and then added the third one. and I didn't even notice but like this little tiny pop-up came that went like this is the best take uh it's using two photos I was like wait wait wait and then that disappeared and I clicked another little icon that's just like a an image a little badge yeah and it said it did that I was like I did not want you to do that I'm I am fine I was pro that thing if you're picking it but don't do it without me asking yeah and now my gallery is the fake photo which was like it was kind of funny one of the one of lane smiling and owen's head in like a blur because he's like ripping around so it's funny because that's the exact demo that they would have given like when they unveiled that feature was you take three photos and two of them have good faces yep and let me choose and let me yes he chose for you yeah so anyway i don't know i just i just felt that it was weird and the gemini intelligence product of assistance was like a big part of this launch and it's just such a specific thing that is probably going to work for like two ceos and Silicon Valley and nobody else.

20:53And they're going to think it's a huge success. Yeah. Because it works kind of sometimes. Yeah. But your point about the pros just being like not that different. Like I was very impressed with the camera quality. Yeah. I feel like the cameras actually got significantly better this year.

21:07Marques Brownlee:They're really good. They are really good cameras. I've taken, we had the Eclipse, we went to Spain, then I went to Ireland for a week and then I've come back here and I've, I just left on a 50 megapixel mode and I just haven't really had any issues and she's been crushing photos all the time although every time you take a 50 uh 50 megapixel photo now it has a little thing that's like processing high-res image that lasts like five seconds it takes a little bit but i usually am just snapping and then putting my phone away and so when i go check it later it's all it's all there that's true so that's true

21:36David Imel:this uh you not recommending the pro one feels like pixel has done this before i think on like the seven the six or the seven don't no one stop everybody no one we no one made the meme to audio listeners um but the problem was is back then both of the phones felt like good deals where i'm pretty sure the pro at that point cost as much as the regular does now yeah it was like a 690 or like 699 or 599 to 899 yeah i remember that specifically my framing was slightly different i remember back

22:09Marques Brownlee:then my framing because i got i got crap for this but i was saying the the base pixel is such a good deal that it makes the also good also good deal pro look like not a good deal because they're right next to each other and you're like oh why would i get that this this base one is an incredible deal so people heard that and they're like why are you calling the pro a bad deal i'm not i'm just saying next to the base one that's an amazing deal yeah now in 2026 i'm saying this base pixel is the only one that I could theoretically call a good enough deal. And then the further you go from that base pixel, the worse it gets.

22:46Marques Brownlee:Clearly not a good deal. Yeah. And it's fine because, you know, phones in 2026 are probably just not a good deal in the first place with this RAM shortage. But yeah, that's where we're at. I heard a lot of people being like, at this point, just by the XA. Like the XA is probably close enough to the 11. Yeah. Or just get the 10. Yeah. Just by a used 10 or something. I don't know. People need to buy more used tech, by the way. Like, we need to stop always needing to buy the newest, newest, newest. Especially when they get seven years of software updates.

23:17David Imel:I also find it funny because if you go to the Google Store right now, I haven't found a single place that just lists it as$899. It always says, from$399 with$899 crossed off. Like, they are putting some wild trade-in deals, and they are just trying to make it seem like... Which, to be fair, Adam got the 512GB Pro for$49 by trading in his... What? He traded in Zuri for it? No, I just traded in the S26 Ultra

23:44Marques Brownlee:and you get a slightly worse phone. Yeah, the S26 Ultra, isn't that like an$1 ,100? Yeah, but Adam bought the 512 gig version of a pro phone. So that phone is, what,$1 ,399 or something? Something like that. $1 ,299?

23:59David Imel:$49? So it came with a pre-order deal where you get it X amount off. And it was cheaper through Google Fi. Yeah, and it was cheaper. had I gotten to 256 I think I would have gotten money back they would have owed me giving you cash on the spot please take our pixel Adam has some bookies ready to break his ankles somewhere there's there's he's in debt for something that he doesn't know about yeah well he's gonna have that pixel for two weeks and then he's gonna trade in for the iPhone fold so no because Apple doesn't give good trading deals on pixels they don't care about us the pixel they spit on pixels dude we'll recycle that for you yeah yeah we'll recycle for you for free um okay last thing I want to say about the pixel I just want to bring up the looks no no no camera looks whatever but the the highlight thing we just we didn't really talk about it substantially did you notice how the flash is way less bright because of highlight yeah I didn't notice that until like

24:49Marques Brownlee:yesterday or the day before I went to use the flashlight as a torch yeah uh in the dark because I couldn't see and I turned it all the way down because you can adjust the brightness yeah and I was like whoa this gets really dim and I turned it back up and I was like wait this doesn't get It doesn't get very bright. Do you think that's because it's using less LEDs

25:08David Imel:or because the diffusion is so strong on it to make it seem more whimsical? Less LEDs.

25:13Marques Brownlee:Yeah, because it's now giving a big section of what's behind that diffusion to highlight. Yeah, which doesn't matter.

25:21David Imel:Because usually over the flash has this kind of like lens looking. Yeah. But the, do you, can I see one of the, with the highlight? Usually it's like a focus. It's like not a lens. It's just like a super diffused circle. Yeah. Yeah.

25:35Marques Brownlee:Yeah. Yeah. It's dimmer. It's dimmer and highlights completely and totally useless. Except for people who have their phone face down and get lots of phone calls. From their favorite. There's somebody out there who's like, yay, finally, a feature that I'll use. But if I'm getting a phone call, you can see this. I never have my phone face down. Yeah. I don't know, man. I have my phone face down a lot, but I don't get phone calls at all. Yep. Like if I get a phone call, it's a spam call.

26:04David Imel:So yeah, my pitch to Marquez for an intro skit for this review was him like setting up his mom as like the color green or whatever so that he never misses her calls whenever he's working. And it's just him working in all these scenarios and it's never blinking, never blinking. And then it finally lights up. He's like, oh, my mom's calling. And he picks up and she goes, I've been texting you for three hours. Where are you? Why have you not answered? Yeah, the only time I have my phone face down is when I'm like getting dinner or a drink with a friend. And it's like a sign of respect to put your phone face down.

26:34Yeah, it's performative. It's performative. I take it out of my pocket and I put it face down on the table. Literally. It's not different than keeping it in your pocket. It's performative. Yeah, it's funny. So anyway, that's all I wanted to say.

26:47David Imel:Well, there was a teardown and they found that all of the LEDs inside it are RGB. So why? Yeah.

26:55Marques Brownlee:So that was the thing that we were talking about on the pod in Spain, which is that red isn't one of the colors, which seems like it should be. And it could be. And it absolutely could be. They just didn't make it one of the colors. It's so strange. Somebody vibe coded like a highlight app that makes it light up for notifications and stuff. They let you choose whatever color you want, including red. So I don't know why Google is so against red, but they just hate red. This is one of those things where like this is like a multi, multi trillion dollar company and they've announced this new feature.

27:31Marques Brownlee:And sometimes there's like in cars this happens where you'd be like, oh, there's a tuner community out there who's like, oh, we have different spring rates and different accessories for the car to make it better. And you're like, what do you think you know that BMW doesn't know? Like, what do you are you really going to make a car better than the manufacturer? And you're like, yeah, probably not. But it's just the way we like it. But then we get to this phone and we're like, yeah, we're going to make it way better than Google ever thought to make it because somehow they completely missed like 75 % of the functionality that this could have had.

28:01Marques Brownlee:Overnight, by the way. Yeah. Someone vibe coded this. In a day. If they vibe coded it, why couldn't Google just add like a – and now they're like, we're thinking about adding functionality for text messages and Google messages. And I'm like, what? Knowing the way that Google works. What? somebody at Google said that and then they said it in a way that hopefully it would get back to the engineering team that is supposed to make that happen because they don't even talk. Yeah, they don't even know. They don't even talk to each other. They don't even know who that guy is. Yeah. And so that team's going to see it and they'll be like, oh, I should make this work with Google Messages?

28:33Marques Brownlee:Okay. Then there's 30 layers of red tape. And then they'll have to approve it and there's just like another building of people who are like, what's Google Messages? I thought we had seven other messages. I thought we used Hangouts, yeah.

28:43David Imel:And that app couldn't just change the colors. It could do different apps doing different things. It could do everything. To be fair, it had to be like sideloaded and I thought I read that every time you rebooted your phone, you had to reboot the app or something. It seemed very complicated. With Shizuku, I think it's called, is that app that lets you install apps like these? It's annoying and difficult. It took me like an hour and a half. I kept walking over to Andrew like, okay, text me now. And I put the phone down on his desk and he would text me and it would vibrate and nothing would happen.

29:11It never worked. I'd be like, damn it! We got to work eventually.

29:13David Imel:Yeah, but it was more to us proof that all of the things could have happened on this phone, especially when you are the person who makes the phone and could have a couple calls. Well, and it's like if Google was not a multi-trillion dollar company, they could have seen this backlash and then like made it work within a day or two. And they could have had a really good community. That would be great PR. It would have been amazing PR to be like, you guys are right. We heard you. We're releasing an update next week that has all this functionality.

29:41Marques Brownlee:Highlight feels like a true, did they even test this? They did not. Usually when companies are launching big features, they have internal focus groups. They have all sorts of testing that they do ahead of time with groups inside the company to make sure they're not missing anything. And it'll be used the way they think customers will use it. This didn't get that, clearly.

29:58David Imel:I don't even want to blame engineers because it seems so obvious that I have to assume one engineer got the job of like, oh, I'm going to make the defaults for these five colors. Like someone else must be working on the color wheel. Like my job must just be the favorites or the defaults. Someone else has the color wheel for sure. Can't wait to see the finished feature. At our hands-on event, they had a giant pixel camera bar on the wall, and you could hit a big button, and it would make highlight glow with, like, the Gemini colors. And I'm like, the prop designer did a lot of work. They got a good job.

30:29Marques Brownlee:Marketing team saw the pitch and was like, oh, yeah, we'll make this look cool. Did we ever get any clarity into, like, the color wheel filter?

30:37David Imel:No, it wasn't that. It's a circle of LED lights, and each of those LEDs are RGB. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Yeah. it's not the color wheel you got me thank you everyone you want to know my conspiracy theory for this I think they're saving it for a pixel drop you mean they should do DLC a feature to be like oh look at this a whole new thing your phone can do in two months like in December it's called red

31:04Marques Brownlee:I think they should have and this is maybe I'm not the expert I don't work for Google but I think they should have made this work for messages, phone calls, a whole bunch of other apps. You should have a bunch of colors and a bunch of customization. And then in future drops, you can hear what other people would like to be able to do with it that's more creative, that wouldn't obviously be stuff that we think of, and then add that later. In the Nexus days, we could do whatever the hell we wanted. The glowing trackball from what the literally the first Nexus one. This X, the S, the very first Nexus one.

31:37David Imel:I think what makes this more frustrating is Google themselves kind of did that weird. Was it in IO where they showed a bunch of like clips and there was the guy in the mirror holding his pixel? And we all thought pixel glow is going to be around the camera bar. So we were all like, that's going to be so nuts. And then that was our expectations. Now we went down to just little dot and we were like, OK, it's still a notification. It can be sick. And then they gave us a five color call only. And that's my thing is that the Pixel Glow thing has been, it was leaked like six months early. They had so much time to add any functionality to this.

32:13And for six months, they were like, should we add green? How about yellow? What's your favorite color?

32:19David Imel:White. What if you're talking to Gemini without looking at your screen? That's all they care about. You hit the nail on the head. They don't want LED notifications. But nobody does that. They want Gemini. I sometimes use Gemini voice mode, but I like to see what it says on the screen while I'm using it.

32:33Marques Brownlee:Maybe this is the proxy for exactly how Google thinks about the Pixel, which is it's just a vessel for Gemini. And if you put this phone across the room face up and you say, hey, G, then you see the light turn on. You're like, all right, I'm talking to it. And then it's responding. But they must believe that people are talking to Gemini so often that when it's face down, they still want to make sure it's hearing them. so they add a little light on the back so we can make sure everyone knows, okay, I'm talking to Gemini and it's face down now. That's the thing that they think. It's at least the user behavior they want.

33:05Yeah. I've thought a lot about like the, they're kind of getting back to their whole ambient computing thing with like Google Home and now the AI is just a vessel to make the ambient computing work because they released the new smart speaker and everything and they're trying to put more surfaces in your life that you can interact with Gemini through. so it makes sense to have your phone be one of those surfaces and have it be able you be able to actually see when you're interacting with Gemini all the time it's just that i just don't think that that's a user interaction that people do naturally it's my phone is so rarely facedown like and if your phone like lights up when you say hey gee on the screen that's not a problem like i don't i don't see why why would you have it phased out i don't know it's like maybe say if you say hey gee at your house you can tell if you're speaking to your phone or your your Yeah, but your phone would light up anyway if you did that.

33:54Yeah. I sort of understand the narrative point of giving your phone a thing that's just for Gemini. It makes a statement that Gemini is this thing. That they care. No, and more than that, it's this standalone thing that, like you say, is ambient. It's always there, and it will appear in this spot. It's a narrative storytelling thing. I think it's stupid, but I think I get it.

34:18David Imel:I don't mind that it can be that signal for Gemini if your phone is down. I have my phone down all the time. That's why I want this to be a notification dot. The thing is, is don't ship it as the thing you all expect the people to use it for and then half ass the rest of it. Ship a good thing that most people will use. And then there's the option of the Gemini thing. I think more people use Gemini if they're all in the customizations of highlight of I can make my mom text message this color and I can make any important people from work. calling this color. If you can do all that customization, then you'll see the Gemini tab and what it can do face down, and you're probably more likely to actually use the feature.

34:56David Imel:Instead, they're forcing it down our throats and pretending to throw us a bone that's half-chewed.

35:02Marques Brownlee:This is a question that I want to ask the Google engineers. Of all of the face down pixels in the world, do you think more people get text messages or use Gemini? And I know what they want it to be, but what do you really think? They're getting texts from Gemini because Gemini is in Google messages now. I feel like the only way the engineers or the PMs were able to get this feature is by tying it to Gemini in some way. You have to get the feature approved by the higher ups, which means it has to be a Gemini feature first. That's probably true. Yeah, because when Microsoft made them dance or whatever, they went out and they were like, oh, we're an AI first company now.

35:44They literally restructured Android around Gemini. So I bet you they have some sort of benchmark where they have to connect it to Gemini. Every new feature probably has to be connected to Gemini in some way.

35:54Marques Brownlee:Which is why the GPU of Tensor never gets better. Because it doesn't have Gemini at all. And there are still 20 ,000 leagues under. Yeah, but their TPUs got better. Their TPUs got better. And that's why Gemini is faster and all the AI stuff is doing better. But have you seen the benchmark results? Yeah, it's bad. Oh my God. And I will say, I will say, I do want to note that I was, I kind of take back part of what i said on our eclipse uh week episode where i was like i don't take it back i look i said what i said i still think that google's why are you booing me i'm right i still think that google's mentality is we're focused on ai we're focused on gemini we're we're not focusing on the fastest single thread cpu speed for your genshin impact right that's not what they're benchmarking it against they're not making a oneplus phone but when i was when i was reviewing this phone there was some stuttering and i was like oh like in google maps google maps would kind of like lag and sometimes stutter and i was like scrolling i haven't experienced this on a phone in a while on a new phone on a new on a brand new thousand dollar phone yeah yeah so it wasn't like a lot but it was enough where i was like oh i would not this would not happen on a regular phone so i think

37:06David Imel:what you're saying is tensor can't handle more than five colors in highlight that's probably the that's probably the GPU is not good enough that's why AI AIs don't know how to sell a strawberry there's no way that they know what the color red is you know what I mean yeah the GPU is a crying shame

37:22Marques Brownlee:on Tensor you know it's not a crying shame you'll be fine well actually TBD we got the S27 Ultra leaks the design specifically this is so early and I don't know people are mostly just commentating on the fact that it's a camera plateau now instead of a camera bar Actually, honestly, the Ultra didn't have a bar at all. It was just like the ring sticking out the back. Yes. And then like the little plateau around each ring. Now it's just a big camera mesa, which, you know. I was literally about to search a synonym for plateau. It's a big camera mesa, kind of like the iPhone. They'll name it Space Something, I feel like.

37:57Marques Brownlee:The Space Mesa. Space Zoom Mesa.

38:01David Imel:I'm just excited that this series won't look exactly the same as the last five years. This thing has not changed what feels like in forever. So just the fact that it's different, I'm like, whoa, cool. I can maybe be excited. I think that's why. I think that's why.

38:17Marques Brownlee:They're like, yeah, let's change the look just a little bit so we can say we changed the look just a little bit.

38:21David Imel:Yeah. I guess. Camera plot. So for audio listeners, big old camera plateau on the top. Mesa. Mesa. Now instead of three cameras down the left side, we have two cameras left aligned. And then it almost looks like to the right of it, it looks like the camera bar from the iPhone X. Right? Like two cameras in one singular pill with a flash in between. Potentially camera and sensor. It kind of looks like a time of flight sensor. A time of flight sensor, flash, camera. And then the right half of the plateau completely bare. I don't know why, but I kind of dig it. Weirdly bare. Weirdly bare. Yeah. It's because they don't want it to wobble anymore.

39:01Marques Brownlee:The wobble was crazy. That's actually valid. But although if this lens sticks out far enough, it will still wobble. Oh, yeah, true.

39:07David Imel:Yeah, but we can't tell that yet. Not as much. It's definitely sticking out. It's definitely a wobble. Maybe it'll be like the iPhone Air and the whole phone will be on the right side of the Mesa. You have to assume they're stacking something in there.

39:21Marques Brownlee:There's probably one telephoto that folds over sideways, which goes behind the rest of the Mesa. There's probably, I don't know, some GPU up there, which the Tensor doesn't have. I like it better than the three vertical cameras. I think, yeah. No, I don't mind it. There's a lot of haters because it's, oh, the iPhone. iPhone, bad, Android, good.

39:43David Imel:I don't care why everyone credits the iPhone for the plateau. Yeah, we actually had it way longer.

39:47Marques Brownlee:I did a million things with it. It looks exactly like a Xiaomi phone. But now that the iPhone has it, that's the way people react to it. That's true.

39:53David Imel:I think the people who are mad comparing it to the iPhone probably aren't the actual iPhone. The iPhone people who would call this iPhone started it don't give a s*** about this phone. so it's just Android people hating iPhones so much that they themselves are comparing it to an iPhone

40:08Marques Brownlee:I actually like camera mesas slash visors because I've said it before, that's where I like rest my finger on the back of the phone it's a little thing, it's a subtle thing do you want to call it the butte? because a butte is a flat top till similar to a mesa but typically smaller and taller than it is wide I think a butte is yeah, I think this is a mesa more than a butte I guess you're right maybe this is a mesa on the Pixel 11 What are you talking about with the Xiaomi being... The 11T? There's been like a Xiaomi...

40:40David Imel:Was it Xiaomi or Huawei? Did one with a whole ass screen on the back.

40:43Marques Brownlee:That was the Xiaomi something Ultra?

40:45David Imel:There was a Pocophone that had a giant like full width wise plateau. I know, but that came out after the iPhone. No, it didn't. The 17 Pro came out after the iPhone, I remember. The Xiaomi 11T Ultra is the one that... There are ones from Fargo. My little iPhone boy. Back in my day. Look up the Xiaomi Mi 11 Ultra. Yeah, no, I see. 11T Ultra. You're right. I take it all back. That is a nice. What was the Among Us Pocophone? Oh, yeah, that was a long time. Yeah. Damn, the Ultra do the iPhone. Yeah.

41:21Marques Brownlee:Sure.

41:23David Imel:Damn, they stole it from Apple three years before Apple II.

41:26Marques Brownlee:You know what I wonder sometimes? whatever happened to the camera the selfie camera cutouts being moved to under the display remember that? that's true it's eventually going to go to zero and it's going to be invisible well they do that on the full I was going to say that was the last full they did and then they stopped and went back to a hole punch cutout it was probably just too hazy and I thought that they committed to it because they thought they had a path to like a good selfie camera apparently not but you just don't see that anymore Maybe they just really people don't care.

41:59David Imel:I'm similar to the bezel video you made. I just don't, the screen to body ratio died. Like no one cares about that anymore. I think we're fine with the little dot in it. I think also selfie cameras became way more important. So taking the hit on the screen.

42:16Marques Brownlee:That's true. I think that selfie cameras have been important for a long time. And I think they realized that nobody was willing to take that massive hit to get the underscreen selfie camera and then nobody was willing to like put in the work to make it a really really good underscreen selfie camera because nobody was making them anymore yeah so we were all just like okay there's never any useful ui up in the top or in the corner they used to all be in the corner yeah now they're in the top middle yeah and we're just like fine with the whole bunch cut out yeah i guess by the way something else that the pixel 11 pro does very well is the selfie camera is really good yeah like i think it's the same one from last year but it's really good yeah it is really good it's really good um the 5x lens too is fire the 5x is way better than it was last year yeah it is i'm gonna keep using the pixel join me this is what happens to me every year i know me too i use it for like three months and i'm like i think i'm a i'm a full-time pixeler and then i'll go back to the one plus 15 oh right phones can be fast listen if you just like accept that this cage is golden it's a beautiful life well now that one plus is practically dead everywhere but india i feel like the one plus 15 is going to be the last like true flagship one plus phone that you're going to be able to I think I'm going to end up with the S27 Ultra.

43:25I'm going to bury you with the OnePlus 15.

43:29Marques Brownlee:Is that a threat? That's the phone I've used the most in the past three years, probably. Damn. Yeah. That's crazy. Anyway. Anyway. All right. We should take a quick break. We have way more brand new tech to talk about because it's that time of year. But before we take that break, trivia time.

43:51All right. I had a whole question about where the front-facing camera was on Pixel phones. But all this talk about a company making a feature, aka a highlight, that they wanted users to use in a certain way and users didn't use it that way and they didn't adapt, made me want to pivot to one of my favorite trivia facts ever about one of the greatest products ever made, WD-40. Agree. What was it originally for? No, hard agree. Okay. And real WD-40 fans may know that while it is popularly used as an industrial lubricant, it was not originally developed as an industrial lubricant. So my question to my three waveform host today, what does the WD in WD-40 stand for?

44:42Why couldn't it just be, what was it developed for? Because that's what it was developed for. Wumbo. Wumbo Dumbo. That's it! David!

44:50Marques Brownlee:Wumbo Dumbo 40. I have a guess. I weirdly only knew the first half of this trivia fact. I knew that WD-40 wasn't originally just supposed to be a lubricant, but I don't know the other half, which is what was it supposed to be?

45:04David Imel:I know what it's supposed to be. I just don't think I know what that stands for. If you know what it's supposed to be, you probably can arrive at the WD. Yeah. I have a guess. Wombo. All right.

45:19Marques Brownlee:Well, answers will be at the end of the show, like usual. We'll be right back.

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47:51David Imel:You actually already mentioned you like to book with Airbnb for your ultimate teams, because you have a lot of players travel all over. By the way, congrats on second at Worlds. Thank you. I know maybe not first, but I think we can confirm a podium finish by staying with Airbnb. Can't rule it out. Can't rule it out, yeah. I like to book through Airbnb at like national parks because when you're traveling and want to spend all this time outside, staying in like a cookie cutter hotel doesn't really fit the vibe. One of my favorite places outside of Yosemite, it was perfect. We just spent all day hiking.

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48:32Marques Brownlee:For sure. when you explore new cultures and meet new people you discover new things about yourself and Airbnb is the best way to book the perfect stay for your next big adventure alright welcome back I just wanted to ask you guys a question real quick I know that when I was out you guys covered the new YouTube views counting metric viewflation as I've been calling it in the office well we have published a video since the beginning of viewflation So I'm curious what you guys think the difference is in engaged views versus publicly counted views on our newest video on the bezel-less concept phone.

49:10Marques Brownlee:The public view counter is 2.391 million views. What is the amount of engaged views? 20 % difference? Like 80 % of that? Yeah, I'm going 1.8 now.

49:23David Imel:1.8? I saw, I think Harper posted this at like 1 million. Were you big? And it wasn't a big difference, so I don't know what it would be. Like 100 ,000 view difference? I don't think it's very much, but I have insider knowledge. Wow. That's cheating. I saw that too. Just pretend you did. Yeah, but there's no - Wait, what? I don't lie to our audience, like all of you guys do. Any guesses over there?

49:46Marques Brownlee:What is an engaged view? It's like 20 seconds. An engaged view is the original method. Yeah, they were right. I know it's the original. There's no metric. So there is no default. It's basically YouTube determined that you are a real person who watched it for more than a split second and actually watch the video more than a frame yeah i always in my head felt like it was like eight or nine seconds but i don't know why it used to be seven a long time ago i

50:07David Imel:think unless i'm lying youtube will always say there was never any specific number aka we just aren't telling you i think that video probably has like 1.6 million engaged engaged views okay so the

50:21Marques Brownlee:again, the actual public counted views is 2.391 million. The actual engaged views is 2.354 million. Oh my God. So it only added about 50 ,000 views to the view counter on a 2.3 million view video. Interesting. So hardly a fraction of what we thought, at least in this one case, we have a very small sample size of one single video, but. Wait, I have another question. Yeah. So what is your impression to click rate? My click-through rate is 8%, which is just a ratio of impressions to clicks, so 22 million impressions. So that's normal for this age of a video, two days old. But yeah. Interesting. I think we'll see different types of videos have bigger ratios.

51:10Marques Brownlee:Like older videos might start to find that they separate more. different genre videos that get like suggested a lot might get a lot of like hover autoplays

51:19David Imel:so we'll see how that goes i'm interested in channels that like for real clickbait because a lot of times when something seems really crazy in the thumbnail one of the things you do is you hover it to then see that you can immediately tell the video is nothing like what the thumbnail is like and then be like i'm not watching this like a break now that gets a view yeah yeah something

51:38Marques Brownlee:like that tbd anyway yeah speaking of breaking news we did get some new uh products from the fruit company in cupertino new max mac mini and mac studio these two uh also have new chips so it's kind of a new computer story but mostly a new chip story the m6 chip is out already just the base m6 so we have a new m6 mac mini it's a two nanometer chip that's very exciting and there's also a new uh m5 pro mac mini there's also a new m5 ultra chip finally and they shoved it in a mac studio and oh my god it has all the things i may or may not have pre-ordered an m5 ultra mac studio already because it's a studio and i'm gonna go with me so okay just to summarize there are two new chips there's an m6 chip and there's an m5 ultra chip yeah and with those new chips we get a couple of new computers.

52:35Marques Brownlee:They've refreshed the Mac Mini. So now there's an M6 Mac Mini and they're throwing in M5 Pro into the Mac Mini, which is also a new computer. And there's a new Mac Studio with the M5 Ultra. No other machine got the M5 Ultra, but that's where the M5 Ultra goes. So those are the new computers that we can talk about. I think the most interesting one is probably the base M6 Mac Mini because, God, that used to be like the deal of the century for a solid six months or however long it was that you could get one for$500. The base Mac mini was one of the best deals in the tech world. They update it to M6.

53:09Marques Brownlee:Now the base Mac mini costs$900. Yeah. Which is not even, it's still, it's almost double. It's still an amazing computer. Again, we're in the era of cost inflation, of like everything costs more now. And also, you know, it's going to be a good computer, but also a better computer. So there's lots more to talk about. I think M6 is going to basically be the fastest single thread chip Apple makes. i mean it should be right other than maybe the iphone um and so it's going to be a phenomenal computer much more capable than the previous one but yeah not even close to as cheap yeah uh two nanometers now 170 gigabytes per second unified memory uh 12 core gpu double the neural engine i believe uh and lots of improvement over they usually compare it to m1 so they're saying oh yeah it's two and a half times faster than m1 because they don't compare it to the last gen anymore they always compare it to the beginning of apple silicon 1.2 times faster multi-threaded performance compared to m5 great okay so yeah 1.2 so 20 faster multi-thread yeah but obviously much much faster than m1 so great m6 chip now in the future we can expect to see m6 pro and m6 max in that touchscreen macbook pro yes which means it could possibly still come out this year i was worried that it was going to get pushed to the next year i think so i think i'm expecting like an october type of event for this touchscreen oled macbook pro i don't even want to know how much it's going to cost but i do all of it yeah yes it's going to cost all especially if they put an ultra chip in it they can't possibly do that yeah probably not you're right but speaking of the ultra chip that m5 ultra oh my god it's powerful but can i just say this so we talked

54:45David Imel:about price on mac mini and how it's so much more expensive now and even in the press release of it mini has always been this like great for students great for creators they peppered in so much more talk about LLMs and AI in the press release about using this, which is probably one of the main reasons it's so high. It's actually, it's so funny that Twitter clip that's going around of that guy like unpacking all those laptops to like put in his AI server rack. So sad. Two days before this got announced.

55:11Marques Brownlee:And they're all like, that guy deserved that.

55:15David Imel:But this was a surprise announcement.

55:17Marques Brownlee:Like it came out of nowhere.

55:18David Imel:It was, I was going to say this before, the surprise of it was Miles talking to Marques about I think an autofocus video and Marques just completely stopped listening to Miles and I heard Miles continue to drag on and then go oh wait what is that? Because Marques had on his screen the new minis getting launched out of nowhere. Marques posted in Slack he said they dropped this all and I said what?

55:42Marques Brownlee:Because I think like three hours earlier we saw like a rumor that they may announce it before the September event and we were like oh that would be interesting. Oh and they're here. And they're here. So they're here. I may have also bought one I mean I want to see how good it is do you want to talk about the Ultra chip? but yeah the M5 Ultra chip as well so for those who don't know the Ultra chip it's been a long time since we got a new one I think M3 Ultra is the last one that we got which was in a Mac Studio and the Mac Pro was still on M2 Ultra so it shows how much they've really kept up to date with it but it's essentially fusing together two M5 Max chips and that gets you a solid let me read this here 64 core gpu 30 core cpu 32 core neural engine and starting at 96 gigs of unified memory uh and up to 512 gigs of unified memory starting at 96 gigs of ram yeah and i think it's a i think the number was like 1.2 terabytes of unified memory bandwidth yeah it's just yeah i this is not a machine that again regular people or anyone even even video editors are mostly going to have to clamor over this is for people who have specific use cases with like oh i need to run a massive local llm in the unified memory or i need to like you know that's pretty much yeah it's well that's for the unified memory part but for the massive gpu part this is like uh 3d rendering intense color correction obviously video editing is like the low end of what this thing is designed for it's what I'm going to be doing with it I want to see the benchmarks so bad yeah the benchmarks are going to be silly and I'm excited 50 minute video rendered in one minute I just can't wait I've been chasing real time video exports my entire 8k career but we passed real time didn't we?

57:33Marques Brownlee:not exports so like a 10 minute video will take 20 minutes to export which is awesome like an 8k red raw transcode from, you know, all the chopped up timeline to all my graphics and effects and transitions and color correction and sharpening and all of that, exporting a 10 minute video in 20 minutes, that's pretty sick. But I've been chasing the real time export. And I think this is going to get meaningfully closer to that. Yeah. So you can configure this with up to 512 gigabytes of RAM. So on that note, which is crazy, you can preorder an M5 Ultra Mac Studio today. and just for funsies, I went through and maxed everything out.

58:15Marques Brownlee:You can spend$18 ,300 on a Mac Studio. That does not include the 512 gigs of unified memory. That only goes up to 256. So when they do drop the 512 gig version for you local LLM freaks out there, that's going to be a very, very expensive machine. Now that's also 16 terabytes of internal memory. Storage, storage, storage. storage. Holy shit. 16 terabytes of SSD. Yeah. Which sounds silly unless you work with massive video files. So that's another reason why it's so expensive. I'm a videophile. I love videos. Yeah, I'm a videophile. I need to

58:54David Imel:humbly request another short where you explain what all the Macs and Ultra chips mean. If you look at this script, I have everything wrong because I'm still so confused in this. Like so much of this, I have the wrong chip name because not only is it confusing but to then release m6 base and then go m5 ultra like the releases just make

59:14Marques Brownlee:it very confusing am i the only one who finds this very simple and intuitive yes pro base pro max

59:20David Imel:ultra but then we also release things out of order the only thing that makes it confusing is the out

59:26Marques Brownlee:of order release timing but as far as like what's more capable it's very clear i think it's also

59:31David Imel:that and they've just skipped some like there's no m4 ultra right true they've skipped some yeah

59:36Marques Brownlee:Yeah, so there's just like this random board of chips that... There's a base chip. You can put the base chip in any of the base stuff. Like now it's M6, right? So we have it in the Mac Mini. I will expect to see an M6 iPad and an M6 iMac and like all the base stuff, MacBook Air, right? Then you have Pro and Max versions of the chip, which are essentially doubling the GPU capabilities. And I expect those to be in the Pro level stuff like MacBook Pro. And then once in a while, if you're lucky, you'll get an ultra version of the chip which fuses two maxes together and then you get the real freaky uh benchmark results and extremely powerful mac studio and mac pro once in a while

1:00:15David Imel:because you're lucky is the reason it continues to be more confusing because and also like pro and max we're used to it together in this one term where now pro and max is separate and like all of them are just good adjectives they're not laddering adjectives like all of those yeah ultra max means the maximum technically max is two maximums that doesn't make sense that

1:00:39Marques Brownlee:is actually that's true that is very true i guess i'm used to knowing that pro is a little above base and then max is a little above pro and then ultra is above max pro max that's the pro max also that's apple does do pro max too which is annoying um but anyway i have also pre-ordered a max worth

1:00:57David Imel:noting that because you said these are all pre-orders and they come out september 22nd That's a long time away. Take your time, Apple. Almost a month.

1:01:04Marques Brownlee:Take your time.

1:01:05David Imel:That's going to be after the September event. That's just got to mean that the September event has so much stuff in it that they can't toss this on at the end, but they want it to still come out similar time.

1:01:14Marques Brownlee:I actually, I think two of that is happening. One, and you guys mentioned this about the iPhone, I think the September event is heavy on Pro and Fold. Yeah. And they wanted to spend so much time on the Fold especially that they had to move some stuff out of there. So they moved the base iPhones completely out of the September event to make a way to focus on the crazy stuff. That's why I think we're going to see that in like spring or like early next year. And then for the October event, which we typically see as like the pro computer event, they're going to focus so much on new MacBook Pro with OLED touchscreen, blah, blah, blah, that they needed to move some stuff out of there.

1:01:50Marques Brownlee:And so here we're getting iMac or Mac mini and Mac studio updates ahead of time, M6 chip ahead of time so that they can get to that and spend more time.

1:01:59David Imel:And visually, like these are the least impressive, even though these are incredible. iPhone fold is a folding iPhone. You get to see. They got to explain MacBooks. Like all these things are things you can see. These are just little super powerful computers.

1:02:13Marques Brownlee:Yeah. They really have some paradigm explanations to do for like we've never had a folding iPhone. They really have to explain to the public why they would want a folding iPhone for the first time ever. And for the touchscreen MacBook Pro, it's been so many years of MacBook Pros not having touchscreens. When they finally do one, they really are going to have to spend some time explaining and justifying, here's why we're making this. Here's why you might want a touchscreen laptop. So make some room in those events and then, yeah, move stuff until early next year. Speaking of the Apple event. Oh, yeah, it just got announced.

1:02:46It did just get announced. It's live on the podcast. It'll be September 9th. It's Wednesday this year, which never happens. It's always the second Tuesday, but it is Labor Day that Monday. So I think that they just don't want people to travel on a holiday.

1:02:58Marques Brownlee:Can I comment on this graphic? Yeah, I want to talk about it. You see this graphic? Yeah. It looks like I just highlighted it with my mouse, but I didn't. That's actually what it looks like. Doesn't it kind of look like it was like a darker image that I highlighted? To me, it reminds me of the sunshine flavored LaCroix.

1:03:16David Imel:Wait, the iPhone's going to have highlights? so the tagline this year is surprise and shine there's the Apple logo with sort of like this displacement effect and it's sort of glowing and it has this like lens flare going around the Apple logo strangely I would have thought they would have had some nod to the fold but I have no idea what this is going to be unless like I don't know maybe the torch is going to be like 30 times brighter why are we all calling it a torch? it's a flashlight people I guess I messed it up this time careful careful Ellis I got torched for that last time but it's all torch this I got torched for saying that last time so be careful I don't know why they're calling it surprise and shine what is it going to have to do with that

1:04:05Marques Brownlee:surprise and shine nothing's really a surprise except that it was on a Wednesday rise and shine Well, yeah. It's a play on Rise and Shine. So surprised. The fold has to rise up when you open it. Oh, yeah. That is actually the best thing I've heard so far. It might just be that. It's going to have to rise open. Risers. Wrong one. Yeah, the wrong one.

1:04:28David Imel:Boo. Well, they did announce one more thing.

1:04:31Marques Brownlee:They did. Oh, God.

1:04:32David Imel:Not everything is affected by Ramageddon. Yeah. The polishing cloth at Apple is now$9. It's less than half expensive. Less than half the price. what I'm confused about here and we don't have confirmation it is a great polishing cloth it is a nice polishing cloth is it smaller? we're assuming it's smaller right? I don't know it's unconfirmed it's unconfirmed because this store page has the overview of the polishing cloth it has what's in the box

1:04:59Marques Brownlee:importantly the compatibility list

1:05:01David Imel:a 50 plus model length list of compatibilities nowhere does it say the dimensions of this polishing cloth how it even has oh my good but yeah it's based on the apple logo presumably the same size as the previous cloth it is i guess takes up more space i think it's smaller it's nine dollars is the last is the other one not available anymore i don't think if this was a bid to make people less mad about the prices of everything else going up it's working that's all they had to do they decided to make the polishing cloth cheaper and people used to meme it for 19 my hot take was always that it was worth$19 because it's really good.

1:05:40Like it's a nano, you know, it's not a microfiber, it's nanofiber. I feel like it can be good and not worth

1:05:45David Imel:$19. It has a fatal flaw, which is like if your phone is not insane, if anything you wipe with it is not ridiculously clean before you polish it, that cloth gets so disgusting and will never not be disgusting. That's also true. Yeah, the nanofiber is pretty.

1:06:01Marques Brownlee:The hot take is, maybe it's not even a hot take, it's not a good polishing cloth. Whoa. Just as far as No, no, it's good at polishing. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Specifically. That's good. Yeah, exactly. It's specifically good at, like, you have a clean surface you need to polish, and it's already, the grit's gone, you just need to polish it and make it shiny or super clean, and that's what it's good for. Yeah, use sandpaper to get the rest of the stuff off. I just use my, I just... It usually works like a charm. Yeah, no, don't do that. Don't do that. No. That's going to be a gif, unfortunately.

1:06:33David Imel:Yep. Gif. Gif, but yeah. Gif. You go to the UK. Sorry. Anyway. You go on the internet one time. You go to the internet one time. We should take a break. All right. We got to take a break. Yeah. Trivia question? Trivia question. Why'd you say like a question? Of course we have a trivia question. Trivia question. Trivia. Trivia. All right. This one I'm stealing from Ellis because I love it so much. The Pixel has taken many shapes and forms over the years, but only two iterations of the Pixel have had the front facing camera in the top left corner of the phone. Oh. What were they? I know one of them.

1:07:07Marques Brownlee:Pixel, okay. So not Nexus. Exactly. Two iterations. There were two. Okay. And then there were two. Hold on. Oh, I know both of these. I think I know them. In the top left corner of the phone. Are we not counting foldables? No. Because in the inside screen of the foldables. I'm going to say no. You said top left? Yeah, yeah, top left. And you're using the term. Foldables top right. Yeah. Okay. Okay, top left corner. I know this. Okay, I know one of them. Remember Sully. I know. Don't. We'll be right back. We'll be right back.

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1:10:18Marques Brownlee:I've been charging my whoop this entire time. In the shower? No. They tell you to. Charging in the shower?

1:10:24David Imel:I'm pretty sure you are not supposed to do that. That's insane. No, you are. every single time I take it off I used to take the whip off to take a shower it would be like no you can charge it in the shower and it sends you a notification that's like it's waterproof why would I ever want to do that anyway we got a Fitbit Air update which is kind of cool there is a Pokemon Sleep collaboration with the Fitbit Air because that's what we were waiting for so if you don't know what Pokemon Sleep is I don't you don't know what Pokemon Sleep is it's an app that is mostly made for kids to like help them go to bed.

1:10:59There's a Snorlax. There's other Pokemon you can collect. For kids and David and I. Well, look, I'm going to get, I would get a lot of crap for saying this is for kids. It's just like the robot movie, whatever. Anyway. The robot movie. Just because, just because something is targeted at kids doesn't mean only kids can enjoy it. Okay. Ah, I see. I feel like that's like Mr. Beast videos. I don't enjoy those. Marvel. Marvel Spider-Man not Marvel not really Spider-Man Pokemon Pokemon's the perfect example

1:11:31Marques Brownlee:Pokemon it's targeted at kids but I love Pokemon and I'm 31 I'm turning to dust so anyway they have a Pokemon Sleep Pokemon Sleep it's an app that came out that basically it tracks your sleep and then the better you sleep the more you can like befriend these Pokemon and level up the Pokemon and do stuff like that so it's like it's a game you play when you wake up and you try to get a better sleep score. It's just trying to encourage kids to go to bed and sleep better. That's been out for a couple years. Noble cause. I can't play this.

1:12:07David Imel:We're tracking kids sleep? I guess. I don't know why that sounds crazy to me. Also, I'm trying to prestige in Call of Duty. I ain't sleeping as a kid. I'm not playing this game. It's probably for six-year-olds. I was on Call of Duty. I already received twice by six years old. Anyway, so strange collaboration. They are releasing a Pokemon Sleep band. The color is actually really nice. The color is fantastic. It's like a really deep blue color.

1:12:39Marques Brownlee:It's more Steph Curry colors than the Steph Curry band. Probably. Really? Yeah. The Golden State Warriors are like blue and gold just like this. And this is more of the blue that the Golden State Warriors are, yeah. It has a little tag on it that says Pokemon Sleep, which I don't think they should have added. I think that's the word mark is a little bit ugly, but it's got a sleeping Pikachu on it. The word mark is weird. It's weird to have a Pokemon Sleep word mark on a band that you're going to wear all day. You know what I mean? Yeah. When it says Pokemon Sleep, unless the whole point is to only put this on before you go to bed, which is also a thing, I guess.

1:13:07It is easy to change bands. Yeah. Yeah. But every day is crazy. I wouldn't do it every day. You wanted pajama bands. Pajama band. Something that's cool about this, though, is that there's like four different Velcro notches on it. So the standard Fitbit Air, it's just one. Oh, I'm wrong.

1:13:26David Imel:I was going to say, I thought that looks exactly the same.

1:13:29Marques Brownlee:Investigative journalism is so back. I didn't know that. Tell us what's cool about it. Nothing. It's blue. Four Velcros. I was wondering why the Velcro is in this script. I had only looked at this side of the Velcro, but it turns out. Yeah, never mind. anyway I like the dark blue color that's all I gotta say it's nice yeah they're doing an official collaboration with Pokemon Sleep right now on my iPhone it doesn't want to integrate with my Apple health data or my Fitbit or my Google health data yet so it hasn't worked for me yet but it might also need an update that isn't out yet because this technically gets announced tomorrow as of day of recording but it will have already been announced by the time you guys hear about it yeah so it's blue and doesn't have anything special about its velcro which is unfortunate

1:14:26David Imel:but i just wanted to mention that thank you for introducing me to pokemon sleep because i'm very still very confused about it but yeah try it i don't know maybe i'll like it i don't know do they tie it into like the move at all it's a rest oh is it the moves that even called sleep no it's called rest no there's a move called sleep isn't it a tm no there's not it's called rest I would know. Sleep? Sleep powder. You know, when you were Sleep powder is also Sleep powder is a move. Yeah. I was sick all weekend and I was playing Adam's 3DS for a lot of it and you saying talk about Pokemon being for kids but enjoyed by adults made me think I was playing Super Mario 3D Land.

1:15:06Oh, hell yeah. Quite fun. And the whole time I was thinking damn, these buttons are really small until I had the realization like, right, it's for children. It's targeted. at children. We have to be clear about this because I love games. I love Pokemon. I love all this stuff. I still play Pokemon TCG Pocket on my phone because I will never stop even if Alex abandoned me. Anyway, we got to move on. Real quick, this also got announced this morning as of day of recording. Nothing OS 5. It's a big update from them. It's mostly a cohesion and sort of spring cleaning in the summer update that makes the animations better it makes them smoother there's refreshed typefaces there's new icons there's two new lock screen clocks it's sort of just like a visual refresh update and it's making a lot of the things on the phone that were not cohesive more cohesive i appreciate updates like

1:16:03Marques Brownlee:this i like that android 17 was a lot of the stuff it was a lot of like hey we've had stuff piling up in the corners that we're just gonna finally get to it and clean it up and make sure it's all working nicely. So if you make a skin for Android or if you make a ROM like nothing OS on top, yeah, you got to do that too. Yeah. They also made the dedicated glyph app now. So you don't have to just go into the settings and like find the glyph stuff. That makes sense. Which I appreciate. I think that's really helpful. There's small things like if you scan a QR code with the camera open, instead of the little icon of the link kind of moving with the QR code, it just gets affixed, which is helpful.

1:16:41to the bottom to like i think wherever you scanned it from okay i really like this new

1:16:47David Imel:clock face widget where it's like text but all kind of it almost looks like comic-y yeah and it can have like time date weather you know calendar things but it doesn't feel like all these difference it all feels cohesive yeah between it i think my favorite new feature which is a brandon feature through and through um is that now there's this new collector widget so you can create a sticker out of anything that you take a photo of it will cut out the object and you can just stick that sticker on your home screen that is very brandy which is so awesome it's kind of sick it's really cool it's really cool it's just like whimsy for no reason which i really appreciate um yeah so i don't know it's a nice update it's a nice update it would have been cooler if they explained it while not playing really terrible pool yeah fake phone calls in that weird video they released yeah the explanation video was like a really long video where they didn't even get to the update till seven minutes six and a half minutes through and they're just playing pool the whole time which is strange i think they're just trying to be more relatable they also released it on both the nothing youtube channel and carl pay's youtube channel which i did not know existed carl pay youtuber confirmed concerned i mean he i mean he does react he does make react videos so he is a youtuber um anyway open beta is starting today as a day of recording it will have been two days ago by the time you guys hear this for nothing phone three and uh other devices will be rolling out over the coming months, but they do have a public calendar for when that's happening.

1:18:10So yeah, just had to mention that. Um, we have anything else before? What is this? I don't want to talk. I got one more thing. I've had a couple of people ask me if I'm going to do this again and I wasn't going to, but you know what?

1:18:21David Imel:Now I will. If you're into premier league at all, we're doing a waveform fantasy league. Ellis is in it now. I got him in and he's picked whole city for some reason, uh, as his squad. So I picked, hull city the week before the league began and i've been riding nothing but highs ever since go tigers by the time you listen to this episode they will have lost again but it's fine so if you want to join link in the description it'll be fun ellis and i are in there how many people can join is it like last time there were hundreds so it's like there's no cap to it i don't think so i mean i'm sure there is but i don't think i mean aren't there only so many players in the league or can you just pick I guess I don't know how it works it's not like normal fantasy where you draft someone and then no one else can get him it's you essentially like pick like a roster like everyone can have the same roster if you're at it okay cool I feel like more people socialist as fantasy league what's happening to Marquez

1:19:16Marques Brownlee:oh man I gotta say okay I wasn't gonna talk about this but I have to after that reaction you do so much of my feed on social media on all social media YouTube, Twitter, threads, Instagram is this like humanoid robot Olympics. Have you guys seen this? And every one of them is a slightly different disaster. And it's really, I have so many questions. We don't have to get into it, but I'll just show you guys the one that - It is so funny. I'll put it in my, I just want you guys to think as you watch this, in regular track and field, isn't it a lane violation to leave your lane? Like you're not allowed to leave your lane in the race.

1:19:55Marques Brownlee:Well, Andrew Leafs is laying at home all the time. That's a great pun. It's very sad. But yeah, just watch this video. And while you watch about it, while you watch this video, just think like, I don't think you're allowed to leave your lane. Wait, Andrew, we'll watch it on my computer. What video?

1:20:07David Imel:Yeah. Yeah.

1:20:12Oh, my God. These robots are so funny to watch running. They're just... Oh, my God.

1:20:18Marques Brownlee:In a 100-meter race, you're not supposed to leave your lane. For some reason, there is a competition happening in China where bipedal robots have to run as fast as physically possible. Four of those are the same ones. When one of them runs faster than a human, they'll be like, it broke Usain Bolt's record. And it's like, well, it's a robot. But then it slammed into a wall and exploded. Yeah, and exploded into 12 pieces. They're really funny.

1:20:40David Imel:The best part of this is that they can't stop and they have to have that giant padded wall where half of them just explode when they hit it.

1:20:46Marques Brownlee:They start from a stop and then they start running. Why can't they stop running? Look at this one. They can only crash into a wall. They all run past the finish line and then 12 yards later slam into a wall. They can only do the straightaway of the track. No, they have 200s, they have 400s.

1:21:02David Imel:All the ones we're watching here are just running straight and cannot curve at all. Oh yeah, they got some curves. The funniest thing is that after they crash and break their legs, they carry them away on stretchers. On stretchers. The stretchers are great. I don't know why there aren't robots carrying them away on stretchers. Because they'd explode if they did that.

1:21:17Marques Brownlee:They slam into the wall for no reason. That's so funny. If you ever had any doubts about China being really far ahead in humanoid robots, just watch some of these videos. Just Google world humanoid robot games on any social media and you'll see. They are cooking. Anyway, I think that's it. Some of them are boxing. There's soccer. There's boxing. There is one that did a clean and jerk and it's just a robot picking up a weight. How is that a competition? Of course it can pick up the weight. It's a robot. I don't know, man. Grip strength? I don't know. Grip strength? I programmed the motors.

1:21:47David Imel:What was the robot? I think it was Tesla bot where they're like, don't worry, it can only deadlift like 40 pounds. And that was supposed to make us feel like comfortable with it. Yeah.

1:21:56Marques Brownlee:It can only run X miles per hour and like pick up and grab strength. Just zigzag.

1:22:00David Imel:You're fine. Yeah.

1:22:01Marques Brownlee:All right. We got to do trivia. All right. Time for me to continually not get more trivia points.

1:22:08David Imel:Can I? Yeah. Marques said something really funny to me the other day, which was, don't worry, I would have gotten both the trivia questions wrong from last week. Yeah. And he apparently trusts you guys so little that his response to where is Texas Instruments headquarters was going to be Shenzhen, China. Okay, so like, honestly? No, it's really smart. If I was a Shenzhen manufacturing company, I would name my company Texas Instruments. Exactly. Either that or they would have just gotten acquired by a Chinese company by now. Yeah. That was like, I saw that Slack message and it was one of the funniest things I've ever read.

1:22:44It's kind of like how Hasselblad is headquartered at the DJI headquarters in China. Yeah. So it's not that far out.

1:22:50Marques Brownlee:So anyway, I still have one trivia point. Yes, guys. WD40. What does the WD stand for? Hint, it was the original manufacturer purpose. Yeah.

1:23:06Oh, wait. You got this. Does spelling count? I just read Marquez's whiteboard and crazy. There's so many things that could be Western Digital. That's like one of them. That's not my guess. I'm just kidding. That would be cute. Who would guess Western Digital? Wait, what? Oh.

1:23:31Marques Brownlee:Okay, I wrote Western Digital. Did you see him write that? No, I didn't. You just guessed that? Marquez and I think alike a lot. Scrape minds, scrape minds.

1:23:40David Imel:We think alike a lot. I wrote water deterrent. I'm so close that's actually pretty good I wrote wet drying how far behind what do you mean wet drying because like it's I don't know is that a thing that happens

1:23:56Marques Brownlee:wet drying I see what he means you're supposed to dry the wet you mean like how liquid chalk you like put the the liquid on your hands and it makes them dry after it like evaporates because it's got alcohol I think that would be more like it dries something

1:24:10David Imel:I thought wet dry was a thing. Like how you put a sponge on top of water and then you lift it up in the water. That's just drying. Yeah. It's drying the wet. What's the actual answer? I appreciate that you guys are going to bat for me. I don't really know what I'm at. WD-40 sounds better than D-40. Unfortunately, the answer is water. Deterrent. Displacement. Water displacement. It was originally a coating for rockets to make sure they did not rust or corrode in their silos. Does anyone want to guess what the 40 means? 40 pounds of force.

1:24:45Marques Brownlee:That must be the density versus water? No. There's no real confirmation on this, but allegedly it was the 40th iteration of the formula. Oh, right. You know, I can displace water, too. You just hold on to the rocket. I just jump into it. Yes. Wow. Another non-point for me. All right. Next question. But first, quick update on the score. Marquez with Uno. Andrew with tres. David with cuatro. Ha ha ha. All right. Question. The Pixel has taken many shapes and forms over the years, but only two iterations of

1:25:19David Imel:the Pixel had the whole punch front-facing camera in the top left corner of the phone. Yeah. Where were they? What? Do we want to? Do we want to? It's four individual phones. if you give me any of the two I'll count it. That's what's confusing me now. No, I'll explain it to you. But you have to get two. It can't be like one and one. Yeah. But I think that's why I'm confused which makes me think I got it wrong. This is Google's fault. This is not my fault. Okay, I'm doing great. It's the Pixel Pro Max Ultra. What don't you understand? All right, flip them and read. What do we got? All right, who wants to go first?

1:26:03The Pixel 6 had it in the middle. Okay, so I'm probably wrong.

1:26:06Marques Brownlee:So I said Pixel 6 and Pixel 4s. You wrote Pro? Pixel 4. The 4 didn't have it. And then also Pixel 4 Pro and... But you're not getting the point for that, sorry. There wasn't a Pixel 4 Pro. Pixel. 4 didn't have it. Oh, yeah. That solely, though, which was... Oh, you're right, yeah. No, Pixel 4 didn't have it. So you're wrong. Wait, why did I write Pixel 4? What'd you guys write? I wrote Pixel 5. 5? Correct. Pixel 4 Series, which was... the 4A and 4A XL, wasn't it? It was just the 4A. It was the 4A. 5G. And the 4A 5G. Which was the 4A XL. I'm so stupid.

1:26:44David Imel:I wrote 5A, but it's because of the release dates I'm thinking of the... The 5A had it. The 5A had it. I was... Andrew gets the point. I'm so smart. So do I get a point for Pixel 5? You do not. Why? The Pixel 5 had it. He does. No, no. I said at the beginning you need to get two correct. But he only got one correct. No, he got both. 5 and 5A. They both have top left. Oh, wow. Nice. I'm so mad. Wow. Well played, Andrew. Did the A4 come out before the 5A? Before the W4D? Oh!

1:27:13Marques Brownlee:And thank you guys for watching this episode of the Waveform Podcast. We are so happy to have you as we dive into TechTember. Get subscribed if you haven't already because there's going to be all sorts of coverage of all the stuff that comes out. It's going to be exciting. I've pre-ordered some of it. I've been getting my hands on some of it. And there will be all sorts of fun in between and trivia questions. I promise I'll get one right. Thanks for watching. Catch you guys next week. Peace.

1:27:36David Imel:White Forms is produced by Adam Molina and Ellis River and part of the Vox Media Podcast Network and a director of music was created by Vance. Bingo! Let's go!

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