Apple Raises Prices on Everything!

15:07David Imel:There's a lot of examples of things going up and coming back down when they see they're still selling.

15:12Marques Brownlee:So there's a couple interesting examples there. And I used the price of gas as an example because gas did spike and then it has started coming down, but it is more of a commodity. But we've seen some products once in a while, like the Quest, go down in price again. We've seen occasionally a smartphone model will go down in price again. When did Quest? Sorry, Quest didn't go up. Quest did go up. Until it did. but i'm talking about older devices older devices yeah i'm trying to think of like phones that dropped in price by like 50 to 100 wasn't there um well i guess the the iphone doubled in storage but didn't go up in price so like things happen sometimes where you're like oh i could see them increasing the price but then they don't uh so i don't know there's not that many precedents for price spike and then price drop again i haven't really seen i think my most

16:04David Imel:optimistic assumption is me i don't think any of these prices change on these specific items i think maybe when new versions of them come out we could either see you know depending on the global economics of what compute uh like pricing is they go back to their normal or we see them doing the game of like uh you know now the the mac neo 2 starts at 699 but starts at a higher storage or whatever like and that's our like this is higher it's still a higher base barrier of entry but we have more compute in it or like it's a more powerful machine therefore it's worth that price increase when probably really could have went back down to the other one i don't know that's like the uh the capitalist way of going back but not really going back i don't see this going down at all yeah david's it's early and you still get in half an hour late welcome it's definitely just new jersey and not new york city yeah it's not it's not like a world cup or anything yeah definitely never traffic in new york city well hey at least the new york city traffic is generally predictably bad well jersey's like are you in hell are you in hell plus plus yeah i was gonna say i don't think that uh these prices are we're talking about apple prices by the way the price is going up for context yep um i don't think they're going back down just because well one if it is temporary it's temporary for a while like it's gonna be a minute because of how everything is right now it's not like temporary for another cut like another month or two this is like it's looking like a year or two more so like cycles yeah like it's gonna be a while and then on top of that everywhere else in the world technology is fairly expensive the united states has been pretty like hidden from those calls for a long time and i think that like barrier is kind

18:02Marques Brownlee:of coming down now i also think probably one of the best arguments that prices will stay and only continue to go up is just inflationary like if this lasts years then by the time the crisis or whatever you want to call it is over that's just the the way that's just the new norm i guess is the phrase people keep using like the prices of everything have have gone up and now the neo is 699 and that's just the way it is crazy we made that video like a couple of months ago and it's already completely different yeah that was the yeah the sentiment is like remember that three or four months when Apple had several of the best priced pieces of tech in the world.

18:39Marques Brownlee:That was fun. I felt bad for Quinn at Snazzy Labs because he just made a video a month ago about how like the whole premise of Apple devices being more expensive than their competitors is just completely gone now. It was. It was. He was correct briefly for a moment in time. And now here we are. A beautiful moment in time. There was a long time when Apple things were just regularly priced and now they're going

19:00David Imel:back to being expensive. Yeah. Some of these MacBooks. Oh my God. They added like$1 ,200,$1 ,400 to the pricing. It's a lot.

19:08Marques Brownlee:Yeah, it's a lot. Memory increases. So we'll keep an eye on it. Obviously, other companies are probably going to be increasing prices of tech as well. This also makes me think that that folding iPhone when it launches later this year is not going to be cheap. Not going to be cheap. That thing was already going to be like$2 ,100. Now it's going to be like$2 ,600 or something. We can probably rewind and find an old podcast episode where we're debating if it was over or under$2 ,000. I think it's definitely over$2 ,000. Oh, it's 100 % over$2 ,000.

19:36David Imel:Okay, question for you guys then. And David, this is perfect because you just got here. So you need no other context. Okay. Do you think these price increases are going to hit iPhone? Yeah. Will it be the same price as last year's iPhone or will they all be$150 more expensive? They could do the little magic that they do where they just get rid of the bottom tier. That's pretty much what I just said. Like the new version of things are going to be like the more expensive price, but a little higher in power. So that will be their excuse when really. yeah what's kind of for iphone well it's kind of hard for iphone they already cut the lower storage tiers from the iphone right because that was your whole thing was that google was still offering yeah low storage phones and apple wasn't well it was that they their lower tiers got better instead of cutting google cut their lower tier but now well the iphone the iphone 17 had doubled

20:24Marques Brownlee:the base storage to 128 and didn't go up in price yeah so they got rid of the lower storage tier and

20:31David Imel:they kept the price the same which is good yeah i guess when i think of it i think of the price tier when i think of lower tier i think the lower price tier so in my eyes google just upgraded the lowest or sorry apple upgraded the lowest tier where google got rid of the lowest tier which then made the lowest tier more expensive right i tend to think this kind of goes along with the

20:50Marques Brownlee:rest of the price increases which are sort of all across the board i think apple realizes they can't increase the price of certain things by too much and i think the iphone is one of the things that they know they don't want to have dramatic price increases on so i think they're willing to do bigger price increases on other things to keep the iphone competitively priced i still think that ultra that folding one is going to be expensive but i think the base iphone 18 and 18 plus for example will probably not be a hundred dollars more expensive yeah it's hard because they're already at 260 56 gigs for the base tier okay 256 they moved it to 256 yeah i i hope i don't eat my words they can't cut that and only offer a 512 gigabyte iphone so you think next iphone will still be 799 the iphone 18 i don't know if it'll be 799 but i don't think it'll be 999 i don't

21:39David Imel:think it'll be dramatic huge increase i could see 849 i don't think any subsidizing any of these things on this list will make up for what they would lose in the iphones on keeping at the same price they just sell way too many iphones the the 70 apple tv change isn't gonna cover that's true The things that they should really be pushing the price on are the things that like businesses and enterprise use like the Mac Studio and which they did. Yeah, very much did. But even the MacBook Pro, I mean, regular people still buy MacBook Pros and they still jack the price a lot. So I feel like the cheaper things like the Neo and the MacBook Air, they should be trying to keep as low as possible.

22:17Obviously, the Neo, they had to try to be really careful with that. Yeah. But yeah, it's interesting to even see a HomePod mini price increase just because there's a little bit of RAM in there. A little bit of RAM. I just bought an M5 Max full spec 128 8TB about two months ago. That would have been. And I was saying, I was saying, I don't think I'm going to be able to get this computer in a year. And you know what? It's fair. I hope I can. I hope it comes back down, but it won't. Yeah, they're supposed to release the MacBook Ultra at the end of the year. and I was like, I'm just going to hold out for the Ultra because it's going to be so different.

22:58It's going to have a better screen and all this stuff. Now I'm like, oh, so expensive. That might be a$7 ,000 to$8 ,000 baseline computer. Base, you think? No. I mean, six-something base. Yeah, but for any upgrades, it's going to be... Yeah, that's expensive. Yeah, that laptop, if you give it some RAM, is probably going to be over 10K.

23:18Marques Brownlee:It's going to be insane. So if you want to max out a MacBook Pro now, it's getting up there yeah it's getting up there now but yeah this is you know new screen new design all this new stuff could be pretty pretty spicy yeah and that that kind of feeds into the the whole rumor that they're basically going to release the um macbook ultra with an m5 ultra chip right or an ultra chip was it that or was it the m i think it was the m6 m6 because i'm trying to remember what it was i think the rumor i so i think the rumor i've seen now is they're going to have an M6 and then skip all the higher tier versions of M6 and then M7 every version again.

23:59Marques Brownlee:So the MacBook Ultra will come out next year now. With M7. With M7. Correct. That could make sense. So maybe the reason they're doing that is because they are hoping that within the next year, year and a half, the RAM crisis kind of peters out a little bit and that way they don't charge$10 ,000 for a MacBook Ultra, they might scare the market a lot if they released a MacBook Ultra starting at$6 ,500. Interesting. You think the base MacBook Ultra is going to be$6 ,500? I mean, it could be...

24:30David Imel:It's got to be high. It's got to be up there. It in itself is basically saying, let's start towards the top of a MacBook Pro. Like, start. I think the base version is going to be really powerful.

24:44Marques Brownlee:I'm looking at a 9 to 5 Mac article when there's a couple people sourcing this but basically from bloomberg saying apple will skip m6 pro and m6 max it'll just be the base m6 so the stuff that gets the base chip can get m6 and then they'll start over with m7 by doing the whole lineup again m7 pro max ultra all that's

25:03David Imel:crazy even when you name things easily they're impossible to find this m series chip is really

25:10Marques Brownlee:hard to understand i've been waiting for a new ultra chip in a mac for so long they stopped at m3 ultra and the mac pro and the mac studio but then m4 happened no ultra m5 happened no ultra m6 is gonna happen no ultra yeah so i'm gonna be waiting till m7 ultra for a new ultra chip

25:28David Imel:that's crazy that's why it's funny seeing the m3 ultra price increase being so much more than the

25:32Marques Brownlee:m4 because of how confusing that is maybe they'll do an m5 ultra i don't know it seems like they're holding back on the more powerful stuff right if they're not planning on doing m6 pro or m6 oh i I did, yeah. Okay, I remember seeing this also on Twitter because there's also rumors of an M5 Ultra coming out with up to 768 gigs of memory. Oh, right, right, right. And everyone went, oh, that computer is going to be You can buy a house instead. Really expensive. Yeah. How expensive? I'm going to just throw out a guess just to make myself look stupid. I could afford it. 768 gigs of memory? That computer is going to be$9 ,500.

26:07Probably more. I think it could break the 10K barrier. No way. That's like$18 ,000. If you spec it that high, somewhere between... That much RAM is obscene. 15 ,000 to 18 ,000, I bet.

26:20Marques Brownlee:Let me look at the Mac Studio pricing right now. But yeah, it's not going to be cheap. My conspiracy theory, which we probably shouldn't talk about conspiracy theories on this podcast, is that OpenAI and Amthropic are intentionally having the RAM crisis happen because open-sourced AI models are getting more and more popular, especially running on Mac hardware. and if it's affordable to buy enough RAM to run your own AI models, you don't have to use OpenAI or Anthropic for your AI stuff. This is a really compelling conspiracy. I'm just saying. I'm just saying. So you have to go to the model providers because it's like, oh, only$20 a month as opposed to 796 gigabytes of RAM.

27:02I think you're onto something.

27:03Marques Brownlee:Without checking Apple.com. You should keep your voice down. Without checking Apple.com, if you want to buy the most powerful most expensive mac studio with just 96 gigs of memory and 16 terabytes of storage how much do you think that would cost today today 12k is it over 10.

27:22David Imel:i don't know those prices at all the most powerful m3 ultra m3 ultra 90s 12k 14 000 god I was actually going to say, you can't check the tape.

27:34Marques Brownlee:You did start to say$14 ,000. $14 ,299 for that computer today. So if you're thinking M5 Ultra with 768 gigs of memory, that's going to be really expensive.

27:50David Imel:That's what I said. W2 or M5 Ultra? Not to give Apple too much credit here, but remember when we used to buy Mac Studios for$50 ,000 each? it was the mac pros the intel mac pros that's what i mean yeah sorry remember when we used to buy the intel mac pros for fifty thousand dollars each speak for yourself well yeah not we the company but uh now you know we got so used to the price being so much cheaper for so much more performance unified memory still nobody should buy a fourteen thousand dollar computer generally

28:26Marques Brownlee:um yeah how will i make my tiktok videos that's true this is the thing now i if you are capable of doing the work like i've found that the amount of computer i need to buy to edit the videos that i make has gone down over the years especially when you consider how expensive that mac pro was we had 40 000 specs on the intel mac pro and those amd radeon gpus and that were vega gpus and a ton of memory when those were 40k then i started going down to a mac studio and then down to a MacBook Pro. I've been editing videos on this MacBook Pro, which costs less than$8 ,000, which is expensive, but compared to$40 ,000, it's like reverse inflation for how much I have to spend to edit.

29:04Marques Brownlee:So I'm pretty excited to continue to spend less. Well, don't get too excited.

29:09David Imel:I'm just going to edit on this. I'm going to edit on this as long as I can. Continue to spend less by not spending anything. Exactly. I'm also curious to see how the competitors respond to this because just recently Dell and a couple other companies came out with their MacBook Neo competitor devices. Yeah, XPS 13. Exactly.

29:24Marques Brownlee:Yeah. And are they going to raise their prices? Are they going to eat it? Because Apple's the most well positioned to actually eat all of these prices. That's, I'm very curious and I fully expect them to. I think the more volume you do, the more insulated you are because of your order sizes, etc. So I assume XPS 13 is selling less than MacBook Neo and therefore is more likely to require a larger price increase unless Dell is willing to subsidize it by increasing other things. which I just don't think they will. I really don't think they will. I think that's due for a price increase as well. Yeah.

29:55They don't have like 12 different products that they can just slightly update the price on.

29:59Marques Brownlee:Yeah. Interesting. So we'll see. All right. Well, I'm sorry to everybody who didn't buy a new computer yet. We'll have way more Galaxy stuff and others to talk about after the break. But before that, let's do trivia.

30:16David Imel:Trivia. Trivia. Do you want the Ellis question first or the me question first? Who's Ellis? You mean Rufus? Never heard of him? Never heard of him. Who's that? Today's his birthday, by the way. I'll say happy birthday, Ellis. If you made it to the end of the podcast. Oh, we're not the end of the podcast.

30:31Marques Brownlee:If you made it to this point in the podcast, say happy birthday, Ellis. I would like the Adam question first because I feel like I'll have more. I'll have my hopes up. I think I might get one right. It won't be as hard.

30:42David Imel:All right, so I'll do my question first and then Rufus will read Ellis' next time. Okay, I bet. i have in front of me a well not actually in front of me but i have pulled up on the website a maxed out macbook pro inspired by marquez just digging around on the apple website how much does it cost 16 inch 16 inch maxed out i'm gonna try to do all of the because the nanotexture yeah yeah yeah all that stuff the the eight terabyte ssd 128 gigs of unified memory all the good stuff you said m4 m m5 max chip yeah i know how much i paid for this when i

31:19Marques Brownlee:i got one a little while ago they added like so much he added like 2300 or something 128 gigs and yeah i think you guys could have answered this like four days ago but now with the new price increases how much is it oh boy well i think they added 2300 but i don't know how much it costs to begin with so i guess i'm gonna do delta for this yeah closest delta yeah Close as Delta. Okay. All right, bet. All right, well, think about it. Answers will be at the end, like usual. We'll be right back.

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35:22Marques Brownlee:All right, welcome back. We got to talk now about a different company, Samsung. Samsung's been on this interesting tear and we kind of have some expectations for them, but they started teasing this new Samsung Galaxy thing. uh they like deleted they wiped their instagram account and like started posting these new teasers basically have a bunch of different things with new aspect ratios yeah like you know like a candy

35:46David Imel:bar has all the pieces you can break off so it was like four by three and they popped the top off so now it's like yeah three by three which doesn't actually represent um the aspect ratio very well

35:56Marques Brownlee:but but i think a lot of what they're teasing is uh this sort of small wide passport you know when you open your passport that like aspect ratio it's like that and i think we're all expecting some sort of a foldable that is a little more squat a little more wide and like passport shaped uh similar to what we've seen in the past from like the remember the first pixel fold oppo find and yeah we're gonna see that again my favorite thing about the tease real quick is if

36:24David Imel:you open it up on browser because it's um they deleted like the grid so the grid system comes up to show the pieces snapping off on top by being six in a row. It's four wide on a desktop, so none of the things match up. If you're full screen. Because I have a shrunken browser. Well, yeah, like normal people that aren't using a dying browser. Hey, hey, hey, hey. Just because something isn't being updated doesn't mean that. I would argue it probably is. It's debatable. I only have a couple problems so far.

36:53Marques Brownlee:But yeah, we're expecting new Samsung foldable, and I'm curious to see how they're going to market this as being particularly new or different because we have had this already and then we kind of like moved on from it but now we're going back yeah it's funny that the there were a few brands that did this but then because everybody else was just doing regular phone that opens even bigger yeah uh everyone switched over to this because of samsung

37:18David Imel:essentially like yeah samsung was so good at the folding phone everyone was like well that one's working let's do that one even google like used this at first and then moved on from it and now everyone's like oh well apple is kind of setting the trend so i guess we have to do it first yeah

37:31Marques Brownlee:this is the kind of almost along the same lines as the air remember we all knew the macbook we all know the iphone air was coming yeah and then in the middle of the year samsung went oh but yeah here's ours this is the samsung galaxy s25 edge yeah and it was ultra thin phone better than the iphone air in a lot of ways like had dual cameras had a bigger battery and all that uh but was their own take on it before Apple to preempt Apple. Now all these rumors are floating around that this folding iPhone is going to come out, first folding iPhone, and it's going to be a more squat aspect ratio similar to the phones we've talked about.

38:05Marques Brownlee:And so Samsung's in the middle of this year going to go, oh, well, I bet we could do that too. And so they're going to keep doing the Z fold and the candy bar style and shape and aspect ratio. But this is a new foldable that is like, I think they're calling it the wide. I think that's the rumor.

38:19David Imel:I think so. The rumor is that it's now Sorry, that's just how I wrote it to describe it. I thought the rumor was Galaxy Fold Y. The rumor I saw was just that it is the Galaxy Z Fold 8 and the other one is the Galaxy Z Fold 8 Ultra.

38:32Marques Brownlee:Oh, so Ultra being the one that we're used to?

38:34David Imel:Yes, which to me reminds me of Note 10, which kind of worries me because in Note 10 land, we had the Note 10 and the Note 10 Ultra, right? And everyone really liked the size of the Note 10, but the Note 10 also got a bunch of downgrades compared to the Note 10 Ultra. It was like plastic, wasn't it? It was like plastic back. It had worse RAM. Like it didn't have as nice of cameras. Like if I remember correctly, almost everything about it was slightly worse. And the leaks we got from Android headlines show the, I'll call it the Note 8, but I'm still going to call it the wide just for audio listeners to make sure we're talking about the same thing.

39:09David Imel:The Fold 8 wide version, the Passport version, only has two cameras in the leak that we're seeing. There's some case manufacturer that probably leaked it. Oh, that's clever. It looks like a 3x2 aspect ratio, but two cameras. So I'm wondering if everything about this is going to be slightly worse than the candy bar style 8 Ultra.

39:29Marques Brownlee:3x2 is cool for previewing photos, just saying. This could be extremely clever positioning from Samsung, I think. Because if you look at all the rumors of what the iPhone fold is going to be, that's all the same. Dual cameras, squat aspect ratio. and if you're Samsung and you're marketing, wow, I feel like you can get really clever. You can go, hey, all right, we have had this candy bar style phone, which is really great to use while closed and you can open it up and have a big screen. But, oh, if you want like a sort of a compromise experience where it's not that great to use while closed, but you can at least have a bigger like screen open, here's a less premium version.

40:09Marques Brownlee:It's only dual cameras. It's only this smaller passport shape. and then we can have the Ultra which is actually more fun to use while closed. And then when Apple comes out with theirs you go, oh, Apple made one of the compromise shaped ones with dual cameras and passport shape.

40:24David Imel:But we're Samsung

40:25Marques Brownlee:and we also offer the big bad Ultra. That's interesting. I think that's the clever, like at least that's how I could see it. Look at the compromises. You only get two cameras. You have to do this. That would be pretty messed up.

40:40David Imel:That would be some chess. I think my issue with it and why I compare it to the Note 10 is like it makes me wish they were both just essentially the same thing. But you as the consumer get to pick which size you prefer. Yeah. But if it does wind up being and I haven't seen any specs other than the camera. So I don't know if it's going to have like slightly worse materials, slightly different battery. I mean, it'll probably have a different battery size. Probably smaller battery. Yeah. But like then I just wanted to pick my size and still have the same performance. this feels like A-B testing titles and thumbnails where the two thumbnails are completely different and what did we learn out of that?

41:17David Imel:I don't really know. Instead of two thumbnails that are the same but one has an arrow and one doesn't have an arrow to be like, okay, people really do prefer the bigger size. Well, do they prefer the bigger size or do they prefer the better specs when you're spending that much money on it? Scientifically, the Ultra sells more for Samsung because in America, we basically do carrier plans and everything is the difference between$18 a month and$20 a month.

41:39Marques Brownlee:so yeah yeah interesting i i could see that i mean you do you do want to isolate one variable and see if people like one thing over the other but in this case there's gonna be a bunch of

41:48David Imel:things different about these phones so maybe not hopefully it's just the cameras and the size and

41:53Marques Brownlee:maybe they're running similar i just don't know if that's i would assume that this ultra will be more expensive and the small wide yeah will be less expensive and they're gonna want to put

42:05David Imel:enough of a gap in there that it doesn't feel too close yeah oh yeah interesting well we'll see in a couple weeks i guess because that's supposed to drop sometime in july sometime in july or august

42:16Marques Brownlee:i don't know something like that up speaking of drop because you said it was going to drop in july uh pollstar is dropping out of the u.s market entirely kind of being pushed out in a way yeah Yeah, and this makes me sad. Yeah. Well, it's funny. I like a lot of the Volvo EVs, and I actually like some of the Polestars, and it is unfortunate to have that competition leave the U.S. market because I thought the Polestar 2 was a solid option. That's the most realistic one to recommend to most people. It's by far their most popular one. The lineup gets a little confusing after that because it's a midsize crossover and then another midsize crossover and another midsize crossover, but that's okay.

42:55Marques Brownlee:They looked nice. They drove nice. They had nice speakers. They had these Spartan, super clean interiors. But the Polestar 2 was solid, and it's a shame to see it going away. Yeah. So effectively what's happening here is the U.S. government kind of issued this order that you cannot have cars that run software from China. If you didn't know, Polestar is a sub-brand of Geely. Geely is a giant Chinese automaker. For some reason, Volvo, which is also owned by Geely, was given authorization to sell cars here. I think this could be one of those things where the US government's like, Volvo, we've had Volvo forever.

43:30Polestar's a new thing. Get rid of it.

43:32David Imel:It is confusing because like Volvo's a Swedish company, right? That then got bought by Geely. And then, but what's even more confusing is don't both of them run Android Automotive for their software? Yes. Which is Google. Yeah, I'm not sure. There might be some like code in the way that the car tells the computer. Well, I guess like where's data going back to? Yeah, I don't know. I still think it's one of those things where the government just doesn't understand the difference. And we've seen a lot of companies do this. Like people don't like DJI, so they launch a sub-brand. You know, like the government doesn't like OnePlus, so they launch a sub-brand.

44:10And then they're allowed into the US. So it's very strange. But they're going to be continuing to sell all of their leftover stock in the US, but they won't be able to sell after model year 2027 and forward um yeah it kind of sucks i personally did not like the pulsar 2 that much because the interior felt like very very cramped even though i felt that they were one of the best looking cars on the outside but either way it's not it's not fun to see our options disappearing especially because in the united states our car brand options are already very limited compared to a lot of other countries

44:46David Imel:sounds like New York State just got a bunch of new taxis just like the Fisker just like the Fisker ok next quick story WhatsApp is launching usernames is my least favorite thing

44:58Marques Brownlee:it's your least favorite thing because every time a company launches a new thing and they let you pick a username the second I go to pick my username it's already taken and I never get my username I'll sell it to you I knew it for you. You tell me you haven't already been testing this for two weeks? I wish, yeah. So this is pretty straightforward. Basically, previously it hooked up to your phone number. Now you can pick an username. I think in general this is a good thing. I understand that for you this is probably not and kind of sucks. Honestly, I think what they should do is because it's hooked up to your, if you're hooked up to your Instagram account through WhatsApp, it should automatically park on that username for you and then you can decide if you want to keep it or not.

45:42And then if you don't. I saw people online saying not to do that, though, because then if you have a very public social media, now they can just message you on WhatsApp. They can't, though, because they did add a feature where you can only people with a special private code can message you through your username. So when I signed up for my username, you know, and when I when I did it, it said there was an option that was like, let only let people message you if they have your private code. And they gave me a private code. so basically you send it to someone oh I'm this on whatsapp and here's my code and then that's how they can start a conversation with you

46:20David Imel:hey friend if you want to message me here's a code to let you message me I don't know that feels I would also assume that if they scanned your QR code or something like when you first give them your whatsapp account then it would automatically let you go through doesn't that kind of defeat the purpose of having a username I wish it was more like instagram where I would just have my main inbox and then like a secondary inbox

46:42Marques Brownlee:yes but the other half of that is impersonation because if there's someone out there with the official mkbhd username on whatsapp and it's not me yeah what the f*** is that yeah true that's like the most obvious like maybe they're just doing this so that they can do a unified verification system even though meta verified is not actually verification it's just uh i also

47:02David Imel:wonder if they play like twitter don't want to connect to instagram as much because instagram getting banned in the eu but whatsapp is not part of that and they want to keep those apart as much as possible. They let you though when I signed up for the username and said do you want to just use your Instagram username and then it did a little lock icon kind of like the Apple one. Very important. I also just want to point out that six years ago, it wasn't me this time it was Adam. Adam made a video. I knew you were going to bring this up. When him and I used to work at Android Authority, Adam made a very controversial video at the time which he was right all along about how we shouldn't have phone numbers anymore and we should just have usernames.

47:41I could get on board. Yeah.

47:42David Imel:I did have multiple people reach out to me afterwards and bring up some very compelling reasons why that shouldn't be the case. But overall, I do stand by it. I think it would be a better world if we had just usernames or something instead of phone numbers. And to be fair, at the time we were trying to revitalize a dying YouTube channel. So we just kind of throw a **** at the wall. It was a hot take at the time. I mean, it was, yeah. We were like, Adam, can you make something anyway he did hold my beer i think it's good i think it's good all right playstation is ending physical disc production also for everyone reading this i'm sorry how often i wrote disc like a frisbee and not like a disc like a playstation disc because i'm pretty sure that's a k marquez didn't even notice and didn't even no i didn't know you can tell you can look it swaps back and forth because i realize sometimes anyways um sony just announced that January 2028 and on, they will stop the production of physical discs for new PlayStation games.

48:35David Imel:Only digital versions will be available. And this, I think, has initial reaction from almost everybody. So before we get to that, I'm going to play bad guy or good guy or Sony and say a couple reasons why they're probably doing this. Okay. Physical games are sold way less often. Most people don't want to wait for delivery or go to a store. Yeah. Game discs for PCs have been dead for ages. Yeah. We download things. I'll throw out the little Apple, look at us, we good. Environmentally beneficial, because that's a lot of waste. Plastic and discs that probably get thrown out. And giant profit margins in capitalism when you don't have to make physical things.

49:17David Imel:That's probably the main reason. Let's all be real. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Do I boo you now? I just plan on pointing out that Sony put out a video a while ago for the PS4 that I just need you guys to watch. I'm going to have you watch this. I don't know if you already watched it, but it's very funny. It came out 13 years ago. To be fair, a lot changes in 13 years. Totally. This is called Official PlayStation Used Game Instructional Video from the PlayStation account. I remember this.

49:47Marques Brownlee:This is how you share your games on PS4.

49:59David Imel:thanks

50:02Marques Brownlee:wasn't this done as a retort to some other console that xbox they stopped probably something like xbox yeah and so and i also and i also need to point out that last week sony removed a ton of movies that people had already bought from the playstation store because they ran out of their licensing deal for them and they just people cannot watch those movies anymore even though they bought them there's no refunds offered unless they have a disc we are living in modern digital serfdom. You do not own anything. You are renting a license by paying money. And it's bad. And that's a reason why the discs should still exist.

50:36Even though most discs are just kind of ways for the console to actually talk to the internet and say, oh, hey. Nowadays. Yeah, nowadays. Anyway. Well, well, well. Here we are again. Once back in our digital serfdom. Resident gamer Mariah is in the house. I just want to say, I saw this article this morning. I got so mad it gave me a headache immediately. I'm an avid physical media consumer for games. And I don't trust companies.

51:08David Imel:And probably a good thing. There we go. In fact, I was actually researching this for a video recently. And in the short term, I personally, in my personal opinion, I don't think it's bad to reduce e-waste and all those kinds of things. coming from discs and streamlining the process and making it cheaper for consoles that don't need to have disc drives and all that kind of stuff. But I do support resale and fair competition. And as you will note recently that the let's see, we've had a bunch of different online digital stores actually closed down within the past five or six years since covid. We had the Wii online store shut down the nintendo e-shop the wii u shop nintendo 3ds shut down um xbox 360 stuff became limited over the past couple years so i don't trust companies with preservation and like availability to games yeah and so there's a really great foundation if anyone actually wants to research this called the video game history foundation who would like to provide access to researchers and other people who would like to be part of video game preservation.

52:17And I suggest following them. And we'll see what happens with Sony in the next couple of years. Very nice. And that's my rant. Good shout out.

52:27David Imel:I know I mentioned like PC games don't have discs and haven't forever, but like consoles feel like like a time capsule. There's like this like this is six years of video games on one thing. and the fact that all of us now can go out and buy the like systems we grew up with like if i want to go play spyro on a ps1 like it's probably not the hardest thing to find it might be a little pricey but not crazy or n64 cartridges are still kicking ass out there i mean they're expensive but you can find them and you can play those games and like i can show my kids the games that i played back then because they don't know that crisis looks almost identical is this gonna happen Instead, they're going to play GoldenEye and be like, the aiming in this game sucks.

53:08Marques Brownlee:Is this the same thing that happens to music where we all used to buy albums? Oh, yeah. And now in the future, kids are not going to know what that's like, but we'll have our albums and we'll be like, this is the one I bought. Yeah. It'll be like a relic of former times. Yeah. It's that. I think it's, in my opinion, it's also all the indie games on the storefronts. And once the storefronts disappear, access to the indie games and the smaller developers also will maybe disappear with it as well. There's a really cool video from a YouTuber called The Completionist, where when the Nintendo Wii U and 3DS store shut down, he downloaded every single game in the storefront, every single one before it shut down.

53:48And then he donated it to the foundation for research purposes. Very cool. Very noble. Very sick. I hope we don't have to do that again in the near future. Wouldn't it be cool if we had some sort of protocol that all the games could be hosted online? Stop! Everyone's computers could run this protocol to help seed these games. Unplug his mic!

54:11David Imel:Unplug his mic! Yeah, well. That would be nice. It's depressing. Yeah, I don't like digital surfdom. Anyway. That video of them is like the quintessential big company makes stand, regrets it a lot later. when it gets put against them. It was literally the Netflix sharing password tweet. Yes. This is fun. We're all for this. Age like milk. Yeah, and also the Samsung haircut. The notch haircut. That one aged so fast. It was like two years later. Something like that. Something like that. Speaking of gaming, last week we talked a lot about the dbrand companion cube accessory for the Steam machine.

54:53David Imel:I don't think we talked about it at all. never mind but it did exist well if you didn't I meant to talk about it I just I guess I really thought we did I had it in there and we just talked about the machine that's crazy well dbrand made this really cool companion cube accessory I say made because they're not making it anymore basically what happened is they didn't ask permission from Valve which is crazy didn't we talk about the video they made for it we did beforehand we were just watching it are you kidding me okay well this apparently wasn't on the podcast dbrand made some incredible launch video for this where they used like the Cave Johnson voice and a bunch of companion cube stuff and some portal guns and like the robots from Portal Atlas and like those guys and everyone's like wow this is crazy this feels like an official Valve video it's wild that dbrand was able to do this turns out they weren't able to do this I also know I mean we're close okay first off dbrand is a major sponsor of the channel so everything we say is just disclosure I find if I never thought that and I went talked to them before or anything about it.

55:56David Imel:D-Brand's always kind of been a... They kind of go rogue all the time. Yeah, they go rogue all the time. They did the dark plates with the marketing term of like, sue us Sony, and they've had logos in the past that they had to stop including. It's just kind of their vibe. That's true. Which is a fast and loose vibe, and I'm sure they're very

56:16Marques Brownlee:aware of that. Sometimes they'll show a case for an unreleased phone before the phone comes out. Yeah. Which I'm sure the company is not happy for. They just kind of wing it sometimes. Yeah, this is maybe backfiring on the winging it part. Yeah, they made a big apology post on Reddit, and they said that they definitely should have asked first. They did try to plead with Valve to work up some sort of licensing deal. They said no. They said that was fair. So, unfortunately, not going to see the light of day. However, I'm sure that we will see a bunch of 3D printed faceplates and stuff like that because the entire point of the Steam Machine is to be able to be modded physically.

56:51David Imel:We have one of the cubes. it's sick sorry to say for all the people who don't get that i'm gonna look at it really well after the podcast um i saw a lot of people saying hopefully they'll release the is it stl file is that a 3d file um which a lot of people appropriately responded like this hasn't doesn't just have to do with the fact that it's like something they're selling it's the distribution of copyright trademark material like they're definitely not going to be able to release that yeah um but yeah it's a bummer they couldn't it's obviously a huge mistake that they made that they know because dbrand's great at being transparent uh yeah they also said it was their second fastest selling product ever only behind the kill switch case for this sure uh which is

57:36Marques Brownlee:great which which actually tells you a little bit about steam machine demand yeah that should imply that steam machines despite all that we said last week about how expensive they were are still pretty in demand. Yeah. To the point where people are buying accessories for it. It's sold out instantly in Japan.

57:51David Imel:Alex got screwed over with his steam machine because he put in his reservation for the like 512 gigabyte model and then like the day he was supposed to get his place in line went oh wait I'm going to do the two terabyte one and then got launched like months back in the line and isn't getting one.

58:06Marques Brownlee:Hey speaking of sold out did you guys see that random headline that the Ferrari Luce despite all that we talked about it also sold out in China. Only Marques could segue. In China.

58:16David Imel:Mm-hmm.

58:17Marques Brownlee:In China. Now, do you know how many cars that was?

58:19David Imel:Oh, wait, did you find out? Yes. Oh. No.

58:23Marques Brownlee:Is it more than that? 35. More than 12. 100. More than 35. More than 100? Not more than 100. Oh. All 88 Luches for that market. They made 88 for China. In all of China? Yeah.

58:34David Imel:Known little country China.

58:36Marques Brownlee:How do they come with 88? I don't know how many they were planning on making, but that's what the article said. 88. So, you just, like, you take orders for six minutes, and then you cap, and you're like, we sold out. Yes. or they came to that market with the number 88 and they were like this is how many we're going to sell here is it important in China probably oh yeah because Snapdragon 8 that's what they call it Snapdragon 8 because in China 8 is a lucky number they had a Snapdragon 7 series

59:02David Imel:didn't they the flagship one was 8 the 7 and 6 are just cut down alright well you just wanted that luce jab in there I just wanted to throw that in there.

59:15Marques Brownlee:How many did they sell out in America? That I don't know. I just saw the Luce sold out in China, and I was like, wow, what does sold out mean? So I clicked the article, and that was the number. Very nice. Instant sellout. Very nice. Instant sellout. Yeah. Okay. Well, we have another trivia question. Nice.

59:39Apple, the company that has always overcharged for RAM, is now charging even more for RAM. True.

59:46Marques Brownlee:It's true. But what Apple offering has increased price over 2.5 times since its launch in 2019? Polishing cloth.

59:59David Imel:What Apple offering? What Apple offering?

1:00:02Marques Brownlee:So this is an option or a product?

1:00:04David Imel:Yeah, I thought you were saying offering. It is a product. Okay.

1:00:09Marques Brownlee:So what Apple product has increased in price 2.5x since 2019.

1:00:16David Imel:Since it launched in 2019?

1:00:18Marques Brownlee:It launched in 2019. And since it's launched, its price has increased over 2.5 times. I have an idea. I think I might. It's not AirTags.

1:00:30David Imel:AirPower. That one's been free the whole time. It's free and priceless at the same time. I think we should go to the break.

1:00:38Marques Brownlee:Okay. Before we spoil it. It's break time. Break. Be right back. Break.

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1:02:38David Imel:Okay, we've seen a million different AI things, but there are two that I've been just bothering me a lot because I don't really understand what they're trying to do. Okay. The first one is more recent. I think it's called Poke. Just Poke, right? Is it Poke or Poke? Poke. Poke, okay. Poke. Poke. It was already an AI that lives inside of things like iMessage, WhatsApp, Telegram. Essentially, it is an AI chatbot that lives inside your messaging apps. Yeah. I believe so. I've used this. You have used it. I have used this. Okay, well, their new version of it is called Poke Humans. And they have this insanely confusing hype video that's just a bunch of messages going back and forth that I can't really follow.

1:03:19David Imel:But it seems like essentially when you are talking to your chatbot, if something gets too confusing for it to do for you, it will bring you to a human to start doing that thing. This is just customer service. Actual intelligence. Yeah, like this is just your personal assistant, but like you're on a call with Comcast customer service where like you have to go through 20 different AI recordings to try and just tell you your bill instead of actually figure anything out. And then it brings you to a customer service agent who also has no idea what they're doing. yeah i'm so confused by this because i can't imagine the humans being paid to do this are making enough money that it's not just a call center again that probably doesn't really know what's going on especially in your personal life because i assume this is supposed to be a yeah uh like give it all of your data personal assistant yeah yeah so like they definitely can't afford to have really high quality training i mean what was the um what was that phone that had the what's it called why can't I think the virtue but what's it called at a hotel when somebody concierge thank you it reminds me of that because that was like cool personal concierge instead random person from across the country who switches every couple minutes and doesn't really have any idea what they're doing do you know how much this costs for poke ultra the version that has the human assistance part I assume it's

1:04:49Marques Brownlee:a subscription yes

1:04:51David Imel:I mean it's right there on the page but take a guess monthly I haven't looked

1:04:57Marques Brownlee:a few hundred

1:05:00David Imel:$199 a month 200 bucks a month

1:05:03Marques Brownlee:also you can get onto it and then go human, human, can you just say human

1:05:07David Imel:type zero, human, talk to a human talk to a human speak to a technician asking for a personal assistant basically, yeah but assuming just like the virtue concierge presumably one that really doesn't want to do any of the things of course yeah in the hype video they were doing things like uh can you ask david if he wants to go to a restaurant in san francisco and what his preferences would be or like what is dollar amount well like stuff like that yeah which feels so hard to send to another human that's potentially i mean they're at a call center no matter what whether it's in the u.s whether it's in another country it's like yeah like a type center it's true yeah let's make this slower let's make customer service slower sounds yeah i just i thought the whole point this is confusing i want to try to explain this product to you because i did i did use it for like a day poke or poke human poke i did not use the human version okay yeah so poke is an ai assistant app that lives inside of i message also can live inside of whatsapp, telegram, etc.

1:06:13The whole shtick of it is that it gets access to all your information so it knows pretty much everything about you and it's very sarcastic. It kind of ribs you and instead of you having to go to it and ask it questions, it'll just text you periodically throughout the day to remind you to do stuff or ask you little questions, stuff like that. It kind of launched in the same era as the friend pendant.

1:06:37David Imel:I was going to say that sounds like the friend pendant. Which again, I don't know whatever happened to that. Who knows? They spend a million dollars on the URL. Anyway, so that's been out for quite a long time. Famously, when you set it up, you actually have to negotiate. You negotiate with the AI to try to set your monthly price. So it tries to set it at like a certain monthly price. And then you go, I'm not paying that. And it goes, okay, how about this? Okay, how about this? And you just argue with it forever. yeah it's very weird a lot of people got it to like 99 cents some people got it for free i argued with it for like an hour to try to get for free and then i uninstalled it so you have to haggle with your ai you haggle with the ai yeah with the human one it's not that way i assume so i should just get my ai to haggle with it for that's true just get claude and they'll haggle with each other i'll get two poke instances and they'll both get each other down to free does anyone remember smarter child on aim the bot you had message and no it like responded back to you but our child it was called smarter child but like that's weird as a kid you would be like i mean the typical aim hey sup nmu and then you would just be like you smarter child and then it would just be like it's not say anything you'd be like that was fun and that's all you do that's what this poke sounds like like this is an ai that you can just rib at and yeah be sarcastic and maybe screw around with it and be like i'm deleting this the one positive thing i will say about it is that for the like day that i was using it it was kind of like scarily accurate about things about my life that it was bringing up you know where with like gemini you'll tell it like one thing once and then it will just fixate on that you know like like how the fitbit air just fixates on the burrito that i ate that one time no things about you though if it's just It plugs into your Gmail.

1:08:22You give it access to your Google accounts. Oh, okay. So you have to plug into everything. Yeah, you have to give it all the information.

1:08:29David Imel:So now when it goes to a human, humans can't scan through an entire Gmail account in milliseconds like an AI can. So I guess it's being a little more targeted and getting the information, but it seems like it's going to slow down significantly and also human get a bunch of information. Well, what I would guess is that the human element is because they trying to make it like a pure personal assistant concierge. And so for certain digital tasks that the AI can handle for you, the AI will do that. But then there's things like, I don't know, booking flights that maybe they don't have access to yet.

1:09:03And so they want it to be able to eventually do everything. It's kind of crazy that it's 200 a month, but that's how much humans cost at a minimum.

1:09:11Marques Brownlee:I guess so. This also seems, it feels like, you know how there's like digital wellbeing tools using your phone to help you use your phone less. Yeah. Feels like the opposite of that, kind of. Like you're just texting it all the time, basically. Yeah. Yeah, that's true. But it's almost like you're talking to a person because it uses a lot of slang and it uses a lot of -

1:09:30David Imel:It doesn't use a lot of capitalization? No, it uses like no capitalization. That's cool, man. It's trying to be very Zoomer. Very Zoomer. Huh. All right. Yeah, I don't know. I feel like we're just going back to actual intelligence again. So who knows? I guess just get a personal say. Just I.

1:09:46Marques Brownlee:I don't want AI.

1:09:46David Imel:I want I

1:09:47Marques Brownlee:just intelligence

1:09:49David Imel:okay I'll go with my second one this has been out for a little while but I feel like I've not included it in the podcast because it just felt like I was going to make fun of it but that's kind of this section right now taste labs did you see this I saw this okay a new data and infrastructure layer to give AI model models and agents taste sorry

1:10:07Marques Brownlee:I no it's perfect I saw this whole huge tweet and this 90 second video when you got to the end of that sentence that's when I left I saw the first sentence of we're building the data and infrastructure layer to give AI models and agents taste. And then I closed the tab.

1:10:23David Imel:That's. But go on. That's probably what I should have done and said I got really angry. Their CEO tweeted they're on a mission to end AI slop, which feels like the most tone deaf stupid thing I've probably ever heard of. It actually sounded like a company Ellis would make up for one of our trivia questions. Unfortunately, it is real. what so this is what i'm confused about what are they talking about because in the world of ai slop it's because yes stock go up um it's just like we are funneling everything into ai so that it can create the things that it sees all the time taste is is something that like people have because they're genuinely creating their own thing so is this just going to be a curated amount of stuff the model is getting fed into probably therefore then just turning that curated stuff into the same thing thousands of times over destroying the quote tastes from the thing they curated i'm gonna play minor devil's advocate but then also play angel's advocate again nice uh usually ai design is really bad it's bad and it's all the same and there's kind of this like ai website look now where everything has these rounded corners with these certain gradients and like eventually when you get the net average of everything it kind of just ends up like that and it's pretty lame it's happening sorry with that youtube thumbnails in smaller niche communities right now i think the tell is slightly dark white slightly dark background white and yellow text that has like brush strokes and this like slight black grunge tint and black outline yeah in the disc golf world there's a bunch of them right now you can tell they're using the exact same program because all the thumbnails look exactly the same yeah for sure everything so i can see where they came up with this idea because they were like well ai has terrible taste so we have to make things look better angel's advocate for the the problematic part of this is that the way that design works and the way that everything works is that everything works on a pendulum cycle.

1:12:31So if the average of everything becomes really good, eventually that starts to look dry and bland and like old. And so then people start using ugly stuff again and that becomes hip. So everything's like this pendulum. And so if their company is just based around, okay, we want to make AI design look better now, that'll work for a little bit, but eventually it's probably going to start looking

1:12:54David Imel:old and drab if if they're successful the quicker they turn the the more niche tasteful design into the slop for sure so it's just like we're not ending ai slap we're just making different this is ai slap with a little garnish on top of it for a little while and then the garnish gets all exactly it's yeah it's it's stupid it also almost feels like they're straight up saying like we want to make sure we're ripping off the best designers yeah they're stealing their stuff and definitely

1:13:25Marques Brownlee:not paying them for it i mean yeah the other thing about taste is it's subjective yeah it's subjective and the ai is inherently based off of someone else's taste and work so yeah it doesn't yeah well it's kind of like how everyone was using the chobani font you know we talked about this a little bit the yogurt font yeah the yogurt font like everyone has been using the chobani yogurt font for the last like year or so because it's sort of like it's sort of like new york times like really high quality and uh now every single brand is using that and so it's like yeah it looks good for now but i think that pretty soon that's damn it's a good ass font not gonna lie it's a great no it's a great font i think there's a reason everyone has been using it but yeah anyway that's gonna get it's gonna get long in the tooth pretty soon did they make this font did the yogurt company make this font or did they cook?

1:14:19Marques Brownlee:Chobani Serif, did they make this? Chobani Serif. Is this better than their own product? This is kind of sick. Shout out to Chobani.

1:14:26David Imel:We need Tim to use this on the thumbnail this week. It is called Chobani Serif. I mean, hey, they cooked. They cooked. But everyone's using it. I swear to God everyone's using it. No idea it does look familiar. Yeah. And then there's the newsprint stuff like Anthropix logos, very newsprints, very New York Times, Gothic. Anyway. But they all have like very slightly rounded corners. all of the new serif fonts are all soft because all of these new AI companies need to feel more human human that's the reason they're doing it they want to feel relatable like yogurt you know what I mean I don't want my AI to feel more human I want it to just do the small yeah but they want people to feel like their AI is more human do you know the best way to feel like a human breathe yeah yeah yeah yeah that's true we did it we did it joe okay i don't want to go any further okay it's just gonna be hate that sounds like i'm just confused by these things and i'm not surprised that i'm confused by them but that just seemed wild i think we're in the state i mean we've been in the stage of the ai boom where like everyone is still trying to find a unique idea and even if it's not good people are still gonna try it this feels like why you're confused taste labs feels like the needle that is currently popping the AI ball.

1:15:44David Imel:Like this is like we've reached to that point where she blowing. Hopefully. Every time you think you've reached the top there's another mountain to climb. Yeah. Alright. Well. What's trivia? I think we should trivia.

1:15:59Okay.

1:16:01Marques Brownlee:Okay. Here we go.

1:16:03David Imel:Question one. Yeah. I have in front of me a webpage. On that webpage is a maxed out MacBook Pro from Apple.com. How much does it cost?

1:16:20David Imel:One of the things where I'm worried I'm going to be like so drastically low, it looks like I have no idea what I'm talking about. It's a 16 inch with nano texture display, M5 max chip, 18 core CPU, 40 core GPU, 128 gigabytes of unified memory, 8 terabyte ssd 140 watt usb-c charger i hope no trading i heard they upped the price of the nano texture because it uses so much ram just kidding they didn't actually do that i don't know that's true i actually don't know it to be true because i didn't look all right flip them

1:16:52Marques Brownlee:and read what do you got i'm gonna cast an old math equation i tried uh i can break mine down since i showed my work go for it so i have the 16 inch m5 max macbook pro starting at three thousand I think the nanotexture adds$150 I think the 128 gigs of memory adds$2 ,500 that one I'm not so sure about and then I think the 8 terabyte because I think it starts at 2 so you go from 2 to 4 to 8 so that's$4 ,000 more for that so I ended up at$9 ,550 alright Andrew

1:17:26David Imel:I'll break mine down I put an 8 and then a 5 and then two zeros for$8 ,500 okay my logic was that it's probably worse than I think so I put$12 ,000 the closest is Marquez David Marquez gets the point what was it actually $10 ,149 I almost said$10 ,000 so with that Marquez you now have 32 points Andrew with 27 and David with 32 my age that's wild Uh-oh. Okay, that's great. Uh-oh. You know, sometimes people stop you on the street and say, good job with trivia, you're killing it.

1:18:10Marques Brownlee:Not this week. I feel like they're going to stop now. Now they're going to stop me on the street. Really? Say, good job cashing up to David. Yeah, that's exciting. Apple, the company that has always overcharged for RAM, is now charging even more for RAM. But what Apple offering has increased its price over 2.5 times since its launch in 2019. You know, Marquez may have been tied with me for a brief moment.

1:18:37David Imel:I'll give you a hint. This is an Ellis question. Keep that in mind. Yeah, I was going to say that. That was probably like Apple VHS.

1:18:51Oh. I tried to write this in the Chobani font.

1:18:58David Imel:Oh, okay.

1:19:01Marques Brownlee:Andrew and I both said AirPods. I don't know if you're thinking the same thing I was thinking. Nope. I was thinking the AirPods. Not AirPods. I was thinking like the base AirPods.

1:19:09David Imel:That's what I was thinking. The base ones. Which AirPods specifically, Andrew? It's almost like you could have just written Sony. AirPods are the name of a model. The AirPods 3. Well, the AirPods 1, 2, 3. Yeah, like Sony, you know. No, Xperia 1, 2, 3. It's literally, you're proving my point. That I stopped arguing. Whatever. Whatever. David, you wrote... I'm not salty. I wrote Apple One. Apple One, which is not correct, but is sort of a little bit correct. Because the answer is Apple TV Plus. Wow. Oh.

1:19:49Marques Brownlee:Which has launched at$4.99 and is$12.99 now. All right. Well, in case anyone is wondering, it is about 80 degrees in here now. it was not at the beginning of the pod but that's okay because we survived and just like that we created another episode for your regular programming very exciting if you made it this far in the pod and you already left a comment wishing Ellis a happy birthday take it away delete it edit your comment and say happy 32nd birthday specifically to Ellis it's not his 32nd definitely not his 30 seconds but it will make sense yeah call him Unk say happy birthday Unk yeah anyway thanks for watching thank you for listening and specifically for subscribing which means we'll catch you guys next week peace bye

1:20:41David Imel:We Affirm is produced by Adam Molina and Rufus Mulhaupt we are partnered with Vox Media Podcast Network and our traditional music was created by Vane Still bingo

1:20:48Marques Brownlee:let's go

1:20:57Marques Brownlee:wow i'm on a roll with trivia that's exciting i ain't that's so exciting i'm on a generational

1:21:03David Imel:collapse