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11:17David Imel:Google wants me to care about the AI coaching. Cool, that's cute that it's there, but I just want to know if I took this many steps today. And it does that. So it's a good product, but the app is very eh.

11:28Marques Brownlee:Yeah. Well, speaking of Fitbit, this is convenient because this was next on our list. so Fitbit has seen all the people that have been I guess Google has seen that the people have been talking about the Fitbit Air there's this trend going around on social media where people are attaching traditional watches to the Fitbit Air strap which looks pretty cool sometimes it doesn't look quite right but sometimes it looks okay

11:52David Imel:they're doing it by flipping the tracker part goes on the underside of their wrist and then looped through Adam am I saying this NATO style for some of them which just means that it slips through the lugs right on a watch yeah actually sorry i

12:07Andrew Edwards:gotta i freaking love standards and if i i'm gonna fact check this out the episode because it's something i'm i'm pretty sure the nato strap is like unbelievably specified like they're all exactly the same so that countries in nato can just buy insane bulk orders of straps and know they fit all military watches that they wear. It's like it's part of the insane like one of the big points of NATO is being able to like bulk order everything to like these insane standards and like share everything and then this random watch strap is just one of the cool standardized things we got out of that. Sorry I love standards.

12:43Andrew Edwards:North Atlantic

12:44Marques Brownlee:Treaty Organization. We love it. So anyway Dan Seifer who used to work at The Verge now works at Google shared a photo online of him using a traditional watch attached to his Fitbit Air. A Timex Marlin Timex Marlin. Beautiful watch. Marlin is a fish. Just so you guys know. It is. And it looked pretty cool. Adam asked him, does this actually work? Because a lot of people need to flip the Fitbit Air upside down, and then it kind of goes against your wrist instead of the top of your wrist. It's at the bottom of your wrist. Yeah. And he said it's not officially supported, but it works fine, which is very interesting, very surprising.

13:20Marques Brownlee:and so as of yesterday actually as of this morning Fitbit put out official specifications for the Fitbit Air so that anybody can make adapters can make straps can make you know bicep attachments or whatever which is amazing. That's what we were predicting. Well we were predicting that the third-party market would exist regardless of if Google officially allowed it to exist. And then Google went let me make that a little easier for you. Yeah I think that they saw the things that people were doing with it and they were like you know what we're gonna officially make this work and so that's very very very exciting because uh we are all kind of wrist maxing right now we've been just like testing speak for yourself show the camera okay show the camera because this is this is what you did last week this is what i was doing last week exactly almost the same you have the bulky apple watch i had the the smaller series 11 but yeah the triple Why do you have all three on now?

14:13Marques Brownlee:Okay, so because after I put out my Fitbit Air review on my blog, Whoop freaked out, and they emailed me, and they were like, can you just try it? And I was like, I'll try it. And to be fair, I should try it because I shouldn't be comparing it to Whoop if I hadn't tried it. That's the reason you're trying the Whoop, too. Yep. And so I'm giving it a shot for like a couple of weeks. And yeah, W-Dub is.

14:36Andrew Edwards:That's how they get it. We'll see, we'll see.

14:38Marques Brownlee:And then it's$300 a year after that. I'm not paying that money dude there's no way it doesn't matter how good it is yeah and then dub dub is coming up next week so I have to wear the ultra so I'm just like I'm just fitness maxing right now anyway so yeah I'm very excited for the strap ecosystems to sort of blow up for this like we said before we'd love like bicep straps we'd love like just different types of watch adapters because we really want traditional watches to be able to be smart but still be traditional watches adam are you wearing your traditional watch on top of your fitbit air absolutely not i'm not a psycho it's fine to just wear two things is it okay it's okay as long as

15:21David Imel:they're both not watches like the issue with the smart watches was that i would have a regular watch on my left hand yeah and then a smart watch on my right hand which i only want for tracking but it also tells the time so now i'm like dual wristing for no real reason but that's the beauty of like the whoop and the fitbit and the amaze fit like all these things are just straps like it's fine it's just another accessory like a bracelet that i wear on the off hand and then on my regular hand i'll just wear my typical watch hearing you say that makes me feel less

15:48Marques Brownlee:self-conscious about it because i i don't want to wear two things i just want to wear oh you're not even wearing an apple i'm not even wearing the apple watch right now as i feel two of the same thing that's where i'm like i get torn off i was like i had what david had i had three things at once which is obviously insane but if i have one watch on see the thing is it's just when they're overlapped a lot so like the functionality of an apple watch and the functionality of a traditional watch overlap massively so it looks silly but if you just have a fitness tracker on but you also have an apple watch i think everyone also is aware that they're both fitness trackers because the apple watch is a fitness tracker to some extent too so it still feels silly but they do look

16:25David Imel:different enough that it's okay yeah i think that's why people like the the straps totally agree like it can be on your other wrist i don't think probably could be on the same wrist but i'd probably put it on two different ones i was the whole flipping it on the bottom part of your wrist though not only i mean i'm wondering how accurate it is but also who cares about the accuracy that much if it's at least consistently inaccurate which is what we've always talked about i just think that seems really uncomfortable to have when you're like maybe i'm a nerd and just typing at a computer all day that feels awful that's why my garmin always had a velcro strap that's why i really don't like bulky metal clasps on the bottom of watches so to have a whole tracker there feels

17:09Marques Brownlee:like yeah that is not comfortable i will say yeah i don't think so but definitely more comfortable

17:14David Imel:to be on the top it's kind of yeah it looks kind of wild but uh you know the fact that people are doing it it seems kind of fun um i don't know if that will actually be i think a lot of people do

17:24Marques Brownlee:i just googled it real quick because i was curious and this is the ai overview but it does make a lot of sense of why it's advised not to wear it on the bottom of your wrist the optical sensor since it's optical it's just about like having a seal with the light so it's just a thing up against your wrist and it's pointing at your wrist it's a flat when you wear it underneath your wrist the tendons running through your fingers uh cause a lot of light leak because you move those tendons a lot and move your fingers and so it can introduce a lot of noise or light leak in that

17:54David Imel:sensor data makes sense watching attendance is kind of crazy yeah so that's all i get that that

17:59Marques Brownlee:may be noisier and a little bit less reliable for the fitness that's not what i was expecting but i

18:06David Imel:do remember in i think it was des fitz review uh he said that the fitbit air one thing is because it is thinner than the whoop an issue sometimes was that because the tracker's so close to the edge if it seemed to kind of poke up the light leak inside of that could screw it up where the whoop is so much wider there's less of a chance of light leak coming in yeah that's interesting i wouldn't have thought that i almost would have thought oh my veins i can see on the bottom can it read my heart rate through my veins but that's just not how it works yeah it makes it

18:36Marques Brownlee:makes intuitive sense because like oh you feel your pulse there so like obviously you should still be able to get my heart rate but yeah the there's a bunch more that you're reading too so

18:42David Imel:yeah the optical sensor also needs more like muscle tissue i believe so like that's why the bicep straps are so popular because there's a lot of muscle there for the optical sensor to read from versus the wrist, which is like you said, Marquez, a bunch of tendons and stuff. Yeah, that would work for me if I had

18:58Marques Brownlee:bicep muscles.

19:00David Imel:What are you talking about?

19:02Marques Brownlee:Shut up, Marquez. I don't have Andrew's arms. It'll just fall off.

19:07David Imel:I don't know. Your arms are bigger than mine, Marquez. So Adam will not be doing the watch on the strap? No. It's also just like it introduces another layer of friction for me because I change watches a lot. like there are times when i'll get home from work and like part of my routine is switching out a watch to like an at-home watch you know i know marquez crazy but that's part well so like i i get home i plug in my phone i put my pixel watch on so that i can leave my phone in the other room charging and i still get messages so like that's part of my thing i will say this new fitbit accessory like uh specifications going out for more people to do it i think is what seems whoop is like you can get different color bands you can get different color hardware the hardware is only that metal clasp right yeah how easy the Fitbit Air is to pop out into another band and having multiples of them is so sick and when there's a thousand different versions

20:01Marques Brownlee:of that I miss that for probably

20:03David Imel:under 30 bucks is like awesome to be able to mix it

20:07Marques Brownlee:when's the Fitbit underwear coming someone's already working are you doing a review on it no but if it helps make it happen maybe We made duct tape. That's all I got to say. That's true. Do whatever you want. True. Speaking of regular watches that can be smart in some ways.

20:22David Imel:Yes. Speaking of not watch maxing, but maybe watch. Semi watch maxing. Semi watch maxing. I was going to say, it's been a long time since there was no Garmin on this podcast, but Ellis is now the Garmin user. I've been wearing one for like three years straight pretty much, but I took it off. and now i have what this is the casio f91w i've never been a casio fan but i saw this video the other day i don't have a problem with casio i think they're sick i love casio i just never worn one or i don't have the nostalgia for one but i got this video on my recommended the other day called a new kind of smart watch by cam shand and i sent it to adam and then winded up watching myself but this company called ollie watch makes a replacement board that can fit inside these casios that are like 25 and essentially turn it into a smart watch now i'm going to use smart watch in extreme quotes here because it is a smart watch that simultaneously this person who's running the project has done a million things for and it still does almost nothing yeah what does it how do you let me explain really quick on how i do it you you essentially open the watch up replaced the board completely so it keeps the original screen the original uh led light okay all the original things and then it puts a new board and that gives it bluetooth capabilities that now lets it can your phone control the board so i can connect to my phone via bluetooth and give it a bunch of different features now some of these features you know it's there's still no vibration motor there's still no curious what features you heart rate sensor uh heart rate sensor so time zones it can do time zones it can automatically sync times with your phone pretty cool it can use it does have a gesture mode which means i have a step tracker now on it which is pretty cool probably wildly inaccurate so it's kind of hacking into the fact that it has a

22:16Marques Brownlee:gesture like an accelerometer to detect something yeah i think the new board has an accelerometer you should compare the steps to your phone steps like i should if i should honestly probably wear

22:25David Imel:my Garmin for like a day and do it just because I almost never carry my phone with me. I leave it all the time to see what that is. I'm almost positive. It does have a stopwatch and an alarm, which the Casio has already, but it's connected to my phone. I can set it up in my phone and it can mark things after I've done them. So if I do, if I run the stopwatch and then stop it, it tracks that in the app and I can go back and edit what that may have been, which is pretty cool. That's pretty soft. These are all the different faces that you can activate or not activate. You can just go up and down through all the difference.

22:57David Imel:I have my step counter, stopwatch, timer, alarm. That's all I carry.

23:01Marques Brownlee:Those are faces.

23:02David Imel:These are different faces. There's like, you can play blackjack. Heart rate? Heart rate is? Temperature? Wait, wait, wait. Hold on. Play blackjack on the watch? You can play blackjack on the watch.

23:10Marques Brownlee:That's crazy.

23:11David Imel:The heart rate is?

23:12Andrew Edwards:Do you monitor your heart rate while you play blackjack?

23:15David Imel:I don't think so because I'm pretty sure the way the heart rate works on this is it starts a timer where you hold your neck, count the amount of pulses, and then it calculates for you what your heart rate is. Very hacky way of doing it. Temperature, I have found basically says 100 all of the time because it's definitely just my skin temperature. There's a Ken, one thing that's cool is it can change the LED to full RGB, all of the different things. There's things like raise to wake. The reason I think it's so cool is I love tinkering. Putting this together was super fun. even though it only took like 10 minutes.

23:50David Imel:The board is 50 bucks. I believe it's by a singular person in Canada making and sending all of these out to the point where if you look for shipping updates, he just says they will be shipped out in a week. And by that, I mean, I ship all of them on Friday. So no matter when you order it, it will ship out on Friday. That's how small this is. But he did release a roadmap that looks like he is trying to add notifications in Q2 this year. Just for you, Andrew. Just for me. I don't know how he's going to do it. there's no vibration motor probably through a chime or i'm hoping the led or some sort of symbol on the watch but um yeah i have three casios and none of them are supported unfortunately

24:31Marques Brownlee:but um this is an official plea to please support them which ones do you have out there i definitely have the a 1200 world timer uh and then my most recent one i don't know the model number of but if you are the Oli what is it? Oli Watch. If you're the Oli Watch guy, email me and I'll tell you. David David KBHG.com.

24:52David Imel:Yeah, it works with a couple different ones. Casio's got a million different watches. I'm definitely missing quite a few features on my Garmin. Ellis, I don't know if you've gotten used to the flashlight on your Phoenix yet. No. If you double tap the top left button, it should activate a flashlight. Oh my gosh. The best part about it is if you scroll down it can be a red flashlight. It is primo for like waking up in the middle of the night and having to go to the bathroom without tripping over everything, but also without blinding yourself. That's awesome. It's weirdly the thing I miss the most.

25:26David Imel:Walking Zuzu at night in winter when I'm picking up her poop when she just went in some leaves that I don't know where it landed. That flashlight is so clutch. It's so good. I miss that so much. I'm going to miss... I leave my phone places all the time. People in this office can attest to that. I've seen it in the bathroom. bathroom. So they say they're not in the roadmap. They're not going to try and add like ping your phone. But if they somehow get notifications going, this with maybe a Fitbit error might be my new go-to. Not a whoop? No. I said I'm not going to say anything bad about whoop today to myself.

26:02David Imel:That's where I end this right now.

26:04Marques Brownlee:Wait, so why do you need it to be smart if you also have the Fitbit error?

26:09David Imel:Health tracking, sleep tracking.

26:11Marques Brownlee:But the Fitbit error also does all the tracking that that can do. This does like no tracking. It does step tracking. So what do you want that for? It tells time. But then why do you need the smart board? Notifications. Notifications. Is what he really wants.

26:23David Imel:Yeah. I'm okay. I have a bone to pick with all. Why is everyone so against notifications on Fitbit Air? There's too many. Because I don't. You can turn it off. I feel like everyone here is actively asking to not include. Like it already has the capability to do this because it has a vibration motor so asking for it not to have it is just asking for it to not have a feature but that

26:44Marques Brownlee:would because you don't want it significantly reduce the battery life number one number two the whole point of a screenless device is that you want to forget about it but it's just going

26:53David Imel:to remind you all the time that it's there you turn it off if you don't want to use it you make why would you not want the feature to have the option to turn it on for people who would want i do think that having the option is nice and yeah i understand we should have more customizability options like that but this is my point i think that it's almost a useless feature because there is no screen you will only be able to know what one notification is yeah as your phone vibrating yeah it's like you can't i mean i would want to do like one vibrate for text two for phone maybe one vibrate for text constant vibrate for ring that's literally all it's actually less

27:29Marques Brownlee:information because the phone does do different vibrations for different apps and the fitbit

27:33David Imel:probably wouldn't if it did one for a text and keep going for a ring that's literally all i want because that's the only notifications that i feel like are enough for me to be like oh i feel like that's all it needs just give me phone calls and text messages here's my plea to google you want more of my information don't don't you want to track my phones and text messages they haven't had notifications they do have other fitbits too that have like more or less screen somebody said that the like charge six has a screen but it's still kind of small but i think it still is really bulky compared to this plus the like different straps are way lower profile that you can swap out where the charge six you can't do that feels like uh adding features back

28:12Marques Brownlee:to a minimalist phone yeah where it's like that's a good analogy yes you do want to be able to do more stuff but the people are getting the less capable version on purpose did we just get to the point where marquez is i'm not vouching for minimal i don't want it but i'm saying the reason that people go for the minimalist phone? Because when I see a minimalist phone, I'm like, just get a regular phone and use it less. That's what my brain says.

28:38David Imel:But yeah, that's probably in the same category. It seems wild to not want it when it has everything it needs for it already. It feels like you're not giving us something just for the sake of not giving it to us.

28:49Marques Brownlee:It's like a book's poma. Just put a cellular radio in it. Just do it.

28:53David Imel:I think just because you can do something doesn't mean you should. I disagree with all you, and you all sound pretty anti-consumer right now. And I think the comments will agree with me. Except of how smug I said saying that. Therefore, now they disagree with me.

29:07Marques Brownlee:Okay, so here's a counter, counter, counterpoint. Every time you make a point, I make a counterpoint. That's a straightly manifesto lyric. That you tweeted six years ago.

29:15David Imel:That will come out in six years. Yeah, it's still not out.

29:20Marques Brownlee:Anyway, counterpoint, counter, counterpoint, is that a lot of people don't know how to look in their settings, right? So you're saying like a feature you can turn off. If it was opt-in...

29:35David Imel:Sorry, I was whispering that as Marques was saying something before. It can be default off. I don't care, yeah. If people don't want to default it as off, add it as a feature later. People have it already, they're not used to it, give me it later.

29:46Marques Brownlee:If there's a big flashing red button that says, if you turn this on, your battery life will be worse and your life will get worse. Then yeah, I guess so. I guess I agree. And you bought the wrong Fitbit.

29:56David Imel:Yeah, return it. I'm just picturing having that feature and I would turn it off after a couple of days. Like even as useful as it is, it doesn't give me the amount of usefulness that will let me leave it on. I love the fact that with my Garmin, my phone never vibrated. It never rang. It never did anything for like three or four years. Now I have to have the vibration on to know when I'm getting a call or a text. and I don't know how you all deal with this but it's woken me up every single night since because I forget to turn vibrations off when I go to sleep do not disturb routine a routine right every day at 9 o 'clock I'll ask you this later on how to set it up because it has to be set up through assistant no

30:40Marques Brownlee:a lot of phones you can just like have do not disturb turn on automatically at 9pm every day

30:46David Imel:someone teach me how to do that because I'm an idiot I haven't. Apparently.

30:51Marques Brownlee:Teach me how to do that.

30:52David Imel:Okay.

30:53Marques Brownlee:Speaking of Google. Yeah.

30:54David Imel:I saw this this morning on 9to5Google, and then they also did a press release. Google is allowing websites to opt out of AI mode and overviews in Google search.

31:02Marques Brownlee:LS is saved.

31:03David Imel:Let me explain what it's doing first.

31:05Marques Brownlee:Yeah.

31:05David Imel:So they're starting to test a new toggle in their search console, which will allow website owners to decide if they want the site to appear in Google's AI search features like like AI overviews, AI mode, or AI overviews in Discover. If you decide to opt out, you will not receive traffic or impressions from generative AI features. And they also promise it won't affect your search rankings for regular Google searches. So like - Allegedly. Allegedly, fair. One thing though, it doesn't seem like it's stopping it from coming up in Gemini. This is like Google search features. The funny thing in their press release where they claimed we are actively listening to feedback from publishers and creators and engaging with regulators like the UK's Competition and Markets Authority to ensure website owners have the right tools as user preferences evolve.

31:56David Imel:AKA UK got our ass again and we need to fix something because of it. So that's why this is rolling out to UK website owners first before potentially moving globally. They said they are also working on rolling out new insights for website owners in the search console that can help them understand the traffic they're getting, whether that's coming from AI features going forward. So that seems like a cool thing to add on top of this because obviously they don't want people to opt out. So give them some more information on maybe to claw them back in like, look at all these sweet insights you're getting.

32:30Marques Brownlee:Yeah. This gives Google a chance to put their money where their mouth is because their big argument, I don't know if you listened to Nilay's interview with Sundar, but Google's argument is that yeah there's going to be less traffic to a lot of websites because of AI overview but the traffic that websites do get will be way more specific and high quality traffic and that's you know obviously great for commerce and great for certain websites but I don't know if anybody believes that right off the bat we'll have to like see that actually play out so to offer the tools and insights to see oh okay I was getting let's say 100 page views a day or something like that now i'm getting 20 but all 20 of them buy something instead of 20 out of the 100 if you're an affiliate based website that's awesome yeah i was just gonna say that ignores the fact that a lot of websites exist off of like banner ads yeah banner yeah ad traffic disappears yeah for those websites yeah but yeah it's an it's at least an opportunity to show like how the traffic changes based on you opting in or opting out yeah i mean it's interesting giving

33:33David Imel:them the option is good. Giving them more information to make that decision is good.

33:40Marques Brownlee:Wikipedia opts out.

33:41David Imel:That was something people were talking about on Reddit. I have a list of some things I'm interested to see how this changes. One, how many owners look at the statistics and what decision they wind up making. I think most website owners right now are like, I hate AI overviews because they're stealing traffic. When they see this, I want to see if a lot of people will actually stay or if they will opt out. if large websites opt out, one, how does that affect AI responses if Wikipedia decides to? If they're big enough, will Google try and make some sort of agreement with them to make sure that they don't?

34:16David Imel:Like, if a Wikipedia opts out, I can't imagine Google wouldn't be like, uh, we need to find some sort of compensation. I mean, they did it with Reddit. They made a deal specifically with Reddit, so I could see them doing that. I could definitely see that. Then my other question is, if a website opts out now, how much of their existing yeah like information is already in the zeitgeist of

34:40Marques Brownlee:they've already scraped the entire scraping stops but whatever was already scraped is probably already in my model is only trained up until yeah which is

34:50David Imel:yeah I feel like they need an answer for that there's no way they're taking it out because it's all trained and they essentially can't right so whoop-de-doo I guess in the future that's nice but right now kind of sucks but i just hope that in the search console there's a little toggle for me to turn on and off notifications i agree it feels like the the model i was going to call

35:12Marques Brownlee:it a black box like the training data is just in the black box and then i just thought of the analogy that it's kind of like a black hole like all of all of the mass of the star is already in so you can't take it out like i know it's part of all the rest of the stuff in there but the mass is too dense. You can't pull out one of the things. Once it's in there, it's in there. Otherwise, you get sucked in. We only get the Hawking radiation. Exactly. Yeah, what about the Hawking radiation, Marques? The Pulsar.

35:41David Imel:I think I can name all the planets.

35:44Marques Brownlee:Alright. Well, after the break, we are going to talk a little bit about NVIDIA's new RTX Spark chipset that's trying to upset Apple, but maybe won't. we'll see before that though we got something that always comes out of the black hole a tech that's gotta that's gotta be on the board that's gotta be a tech question a tech trivia question I slept for 30 % of the one I was supposed to have you done a dream according to whoop yeah tech trivia have you ever had a dream that and you could do anything?

36:27Andrew Edwards:Guys, I heard the word Google and I heard the word opt-out and I immediately opted out of Google. I immediately remembered the old days where you had to opt out of your Gmail getting every single Google Plus notification and message that you ever dreamed of. So I wanted to write a Google Plus trivia question. Doesn't really have that much to do with the topic today, but we all miss Google Plus. And by we all, I mean, you know, someone out there.

36:50David Imel:Marquez, is that someone?

36:52Andrew Edwards:Google, as we all know, loves to try new things. And they really, really love to try new things back in the day. I guess they still do. This is a trivia question. Not as much. They used to experiment a lot more. They do. And so today's trivia question is, how many social media services did Google launch before Google Plus? Oh, my God. Before Google Plus. And... Name them. You don't have to name them. But it will be Price is Right rules. So if you think Google is too ambitious... Social media? Find social media.

37:21Marques Brownlee:And I need you to say the question very specifically.

37:24Andrew Edwards:Google launched, didn't buy, launched. I am going to confirm over the next section that they did not purchase any of these. Okay. But to my knowledge, if they were purchased, they were purchased pre-launched and launched by Google. How many social media services did Google launch before Google Plus? And I know, you know, I thought I rounded up every single one I could find. I'm going to go double check because it's Google they could have launched six that somehow I never heard of but these are all ones that I think a reasonable tech enthusiast might not remember off the top of their head but would remember if spoken aloud.

38:04Andrew Edwards:Adam do you agree? Adam agrees I can't find it

38:09David Imel:but did you see the subreddit post of like I f***ing hate prices right rules

38:13Andrew Edwards:wait on our subreddit? why? what was the reason?

38:17Marques Brownlee:I just don't get it said Delta is better, which is kind of true. Closest Delta, I like closest Delta. Yeah, closest Delta is just generally better. Especially when no one really has any idea what the ballpark of the answer is actually going to be.

38:29Andrew Edwards:What should we do? I think I'm fine swapping around. Yeah, what am I talking about here?

38:34Marques Brownlee:Is Price is Right an internationally known thing? I think so.

38:38Andrew Edwards:It's ISO standard 3892.4

38:40Marques Brownlee:AC. No, that's peanut butter. You're so right. That's the Pantone color. I feel like that's a maybe more local fun rule that we've implemented, but whatever. I like swapping. As long as everyone knows what it means. Okay. Whatever you want, Aless. Yeah, you guys are the game masters. I'm just, you know, we're just throwing out the judge.

38:59David Imel:So much happy, jolly energy. Until we all get it wrong and then I will not be happy.

39:03Marques Brownlee:Yeah, yeah, yeah. Alright, answers will be at the end, like usual. We'll be right back.

39:15We'll be right back.

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42:16Marques Brownlee:upcoming apple event so by the time you hear this it's friday wwdc 2026 is monday and dub dub every year it's their developer conference we get all the software occasionally a little bit of hardware like some teasing of some hardware i think the last one we heard about was mac pro at dub dub Maybe. But usually it's just iOS, iPadOS, watchOS, all the OSs get updated. And we do have some expectations for that this year. We got our invite. We will be out there. The clue that we have is all systems glow. As you know, Siri is the thing that glows in iOS because the rest of it is liquid glass. So we are expecting finally to get, I guess, a re-announcement of all the stuff we were expecting.

43:03Marques Brownlee:Two funny things about this. One, last year's tagline was, it's glow time. Yeah, again. And they didn't do it. We don't talk about that. Also, the person that announced the revamped Siri two years ago now works at OpenAI. The person on stage at DubDub who announced it? Yeah. We don't talk about that either. Yeah. We don't talk about Siri. So, yeah, we hope it comes back. I was like scouring the internet for all of the rumors, right? Because we wanted to do a rumor roundup. I actually promised you guys a rumor roundup last week. I lied to you. I looked online everywhere. I was like, top WDC rumors.

43:39Marques Brownlee:I got some. You got some? Some small stuff. Because everything I found was just like, Siri. Yeah, this is Dub Dub 2024 Part 2.

43:48David Imel:Part 2.

43:49Marques Brownlee:Redux. Yeah. I mean, the main thing that I think is interesting is, so obviously the iPhone is the thing that Apple does. And the way they differentiate their products, very often, if you look back at the history of Apple, It's just making their new thing, the one that works with the iPhone, the best. Right? Yeah. So they've been super behind in all this AI and having large language models and having an assistant, but they're finally going to have this new Siri. And what I'm expecting is for them to try to find ways that this assistant is the one that works with the iPhone the best. So how do they do that?

44:22Marques Brownlee:One is a pre-installed Siri app that kind of looks like a messaging app where you can just talk to Siri. I think potentially it's in the messaging app where you just message Siri like you're texting it. But then two, of course, is like if you have ChatGPT, the app, or Gemini, the app, or any of these other apps that are clawed on your iPhone, they can only tell you so much about your actual phone. They know about what you've plugged into it and what you've given it access to, but they don't know your messages or your calendar. They can't act on your iPhone for you. So I just generally – I mean they tease a lot of this stuff already, but I generally expect them to give Siri a bunch of abilities to dig into your iPhone.

44:58Marques Brownlee:and use that contact data, calendar data, whatever other stuff is on your iPhone and take actions with it. This is where Apple is gonna have a lot of explaining to do because the entire thing that they kind of sell is privacy. And they're gonna have to reassure people over and over and over again that even though it is using the data that is on your phone with text and everything in the stuff and it's AI, we're not gonna see it. It's not going anywhere. They're going to have to talk about their private cloud compute thing again. They're going to have to say the Gemini Nano model runs locally on the phone.

45:35Marques Brownlee:There's no data coming to Apple because, again, it's going to need all that context. Like, for example, Gemini Spark that we talked about briefly last week from I.O., I have early access to it and I tried it a little bit. David Pierce wrote a really good article about it. And it's kind of creepy how much information it knows about you. like uh when in pierce's article that he wrote about it he said like plan me this trip and it knew his wife's name it knew what time his kid takes a nap is this because it's gemini and it's plugged into your accounts and has all of that yes yeah yes yeah uh and so apple is gonna have to be very clear about the information that they're pulling from your devices and all this stuff it again apple doesn't have nearly as much information as google has about you because it doesn't have, I guess they kind of have iCloud Drive.

46:25Marques Brownlee:They can kind of pull from documents and stuff, but they don't have their own documents creator thing that people actually use. They're just going to have a little bit less context, but yeah, it's going to be a lot of explaining like security, security, security, privacy, privacy, privacy, on-device models. We'll see how regular people take it.

46:43David Imel:They just have to show that little Apple logo that's a lock. It goes click.

46:47Marques Brownlee:That's right now on how many times they do that animation. They for sure are going to do that at least one time full screen during WW. Yeah, trust us. I can see that. Yeah, no, it's true. And also, to your point, Google is essentially an ads and data collection company. So they have all these great services that also serve as ways to collect data. So we use Google Docs. Great. We use Google Calendar as a company. Great. We use Gmail. Okay, so all this stuff is really useful to us as services, but then Gemini pulls from all of that to be helpful for us. Apple I mean yeah they have iCloud they don't have a they have they have iCal so if you if your calendar is an iCal they can use that your contacts your iMessage maybe then your iMessage even feels like a stretch for Apple to use that data to be honest if it's on your device yeah it's cool I think it's okay but I think that the the messaging is going to be a little complicated for some reason texts are the things that people always think about the most when they think about is this data leaking.

47:53Marques Brownlee:So I don't know. Yeah. It just makes it hard because they don't have as much data and services. I guess it makes it harder for them to make a useful assistant. So let's see what sort of stuff they plug into with the iPhone. Yeah. Gemini has like a daily brief feature now that I have. I actually think mine's been really good. I've been waiting for it to get good. Really? Every day I read my daily brief and I just shake my head. Mine is like so weirdly good. Yeah. What is yours? Do you use it too? Yeah. Mine is pretty good. Tell me what's in your daily brief because mine is just like here's some emails you got and I'm like yeah I read those already this morning.

48:21Marques Brownlee:Oh, wow. No. What is your daily briefing? Mine comes to me when I wake up.

48:24Andrew Edwards:Yeah.

48:24Marques Brownlee:Mine gets, okay, yeah. So it shows up in the morning. Yeah. But often I've dismissed a bunch of emails from the night before and it's telling me about those again. Yeah. And it's telling me to take actions on things that are emails that I'm already going to do because I read my emails. Yeah. So what does yours do? Mine's like, oh, this thing that you bought on eBay finally shipped. Here's the tracking number. Because of the email. Uh, yeah. Yeah. But like, I don't know. that might be buried in my, I just like having it all in one place. And it's like. Like your inbox. I don't know. Not everything.

48:55Marques Brownlee:No, no, no. Because not everything in my life is in my email. Right? Yeah. Because it mixes in things that happen in my email and in my calendar and in like my Google Drive. Stuff like that. Or in my Google Tasks. You know what's been weirdly better? What? Is I've been using Dia, and this is not an ad for them, but the browser. And because I have Google Docs open and I've given access to stuff, it knows what docs I've been working on and it's seen my calendar and it knows this other stuff. And the daily brief that pops up in the morning from Dia is often more variety. It knows what documents I've been working on.

49:32Marques Brownlee:It's like, here's some stuff, some sources to help you finish this dope tech video you've been writing. This is on your phone? This is on Dia, the browser, on my desktop. So that has been more useful because it's not all just emails. It goes, oh, you have some unresolved comments from the Google Doc from Andrew and Harper on this thing you've been writing. Yeah. That's pretty useful. Yeah. As the person leaving those comments, I like that a lot. But the Google one I get every morning is just like a summary of my email. Let me tell you my daily brief. Sure. Okay, so I'm shipping a product to a friend and then they're gonna bring it to me.

50:06Marques Brownlee:It's just a kind of complicated thing. And for some reason, it knows the friend that I'm shipping it to. And it tells, so it not only was like, here's your tracking information, but it says share the tracking information with him so that he can bring it to you that's nice which is crazy because i didn't you know that's not in the email from ebay it's kind of a complicated it's it's interesting i don't know how it knows that um inspect the package that got delivered last night to make sure that nothing got like there was no transit damage which is convenient because it knows that something recently got damaged in transit i think because i like submitted a claim it's kind of interesting um last night i was trying to transfer from the iphone air over to the iphone pro max and it was freezing constantly so it's like make sure you resolve the freezing issue which is you know obviously something how does it know that because you're google searching because i i asked gemini once yesterday like i'm trying to transfer and it's freezing like what's the best thing to do um here's a package that didn't know was arriving today where it's like hey this thing is arriving today it should get there whatever uh that must be from an email upcoming birthdays which is one is on friday which i didn't know about like i wouldn't have checked my calendar to like try to see that the birthday was interesting so i'm just so dialed in my calendar and inbox that this feels redundant to me but if i wasn't checking my calendar in my inbox i do not live in my email at all and the only i mean i use my calendar like crazy but the only reason i use it is to make sure i'm not double scheduling things when people ask to like hang out or do something you know okay so maybe we just have different i think for people that live in their email maybe it's not as it's pretty redundant for me okay what does yours do adam

51:49David Imel:mine i i'm like a mix like i live in my email but i also live in my calendar but i also live in my notes app like i'm all over the place so my email specifically the things i pay attention for are appointments which may or may not reflect on my google calendar but for example the one that saved me yesterday actually was last week i have a class every tuesday with a spanish tutor that i meet on zoom and we go through it for an hour we had a miscommunication about scheduling and when we were going to talk all this stuff so that was like a long email thread that it's all in spanish which i'm not great at so it all like got lost in translation literally so yesterday i woke up and the google assistant little thing daily daily yeah gemini daily brief thank you was like oh don't forget you have your spanish class today and the the email thread is all in spanish and i was like oh snap it is today like yeah let me let me lock that in my calendar one o 'clock like have my calendar so like things like that it was like things that i would otherwise miss or not really pay attention yeah subscriptions that i meant to cancel but i keep forgetting like it'll keep

52:51Marques Brownlee:reminding you like don't forget last week you wanted to do this thing yeah and i still see that it's still there i like rarely check my email so honestly i should check it more but honestly like it's telling me that things are arriving today that I've ordered that I just didn't know about is very helpful, especially since packages get stolen from my apartment like all the time. Yeah. So. Yeah. That's okay. Yeah. It makes a lot of sense as someone who's not in the inbox all the time. Yeah. That this would be useful. I'm looking at my daily brief again. It's literally just, hey, you got an email.

53:21Marques Brownlee:Yeah. You want to do anything about that? Here's another email. And yeah, it's not really pulling from anywhere other than email.

53:27David Imel:How are you guys finding your daily brief? It's in the Gemini app.

53:30Marques Brownlee:Yeah, it's near the top if you open the sidebar. Yeah. You can also get a notification for it every morning when you wake up.

53:36David Imel:That's what I get. And I didn't realize I could just go to the Gemini app to see it again. Okay.

53:40Marques Brownlee:Yeah. Dial in your new podcast room layout.

53:43David Imel:Yeah. Modify or confirm your Chewy auto ship order. Still have to do that. So you completely forgot about that. Review GitHub app clawed requests for system permissions. Should probably check that.

53:56Marques Brownlee:Sounds important. Sounds important to me. I'm just saying, I think it's quite good. And it's going to be interesting to see how Apple, like what data Apple allows their local models to collect and like use to actually be helpful. Because Google has never pretended to be about privacy whatsoever. They're more like, actually, just give us all our data and we will give you useful features. And Apple is like, we don't look at anything. So it's just going to be different. But I'm interested. I'm quite interested in what they do next week in that use case. obviously they're going to update all of the OS's.

54:33Marques Brownlee:So literally no idea what they're going to do for the watch. You know, it's like, it seems like every year they come up with a new metric, a new health metric that I didn't know existed. And they add a new sensor. Yeah. Cause they need to sell a new watch. So that's strange.

54:49David Imel:I feel like the last two years, was it the last two years, this, where they're like, this is the biggest update to watch OS.

54:55Marques Brownlee:Oh, watch OS 10. Yeah.

54:56David Imel:Yeah. And it was like nothing.

54:58Marques Brownlee:Yeah.

54:59David Imel:watch it just come out of nowhere and be like sick this year

55:02Marques Brownlee:I really want them to oh yeah that's a great yeah one new watch face one new sensor or honestly they could probably just Sherlock Bevel Bevel is the like... Actually, yeah. So if you don't know what Bevel is, Bevel is like the Whoop. It's an app that you use that takes your Apple Watch data and it turns it into Whoop for$100 a year.

55:27David Imel:It's only$100 for the AI features. I figured someone posted on our subreddit. The majority of the stats are just free. The subscription's AI features.

55:35Marques Brownlee:That's cool. Okay, that's even better. and so Apple has a real opportunity to kind of make especially the ultra like make it a harder core maybe this ties into Siri maybe Siri is a fitness coach based on your health data yeah Siri looks at all of this fitness data in the health app and becomes a chattable actionable like coach for beginners to understand like hey you have trends like you can always open the health app and look at all these numbers and graphs and I don't know what to do with those a lot of times but maybe Siri is like a little

56:04David Imel:can Siri even set two timers and you wanted to tell you how you should well we're gonna get a revamped Siri

56:10Marques Brownlee:it's gonna be the new Gemini Siri it's gonna be good allegedly is it two years late now or is it three I guess it's announced at a year and a half late right announced almost two years ago

56:22David Imel:to be for the next iPhone launch

56:24Marques Brownlee:so half a year later I hope they make MetQuest Tahoe better apparently there was a leaked name for the new OS version and it's potentially called Big Bear which is a lake in California like macOS? yeah Big Bear Big Bear Big Bear Big Bear

56:42Andrew Edwards:Big Bear I'm realizing that Big Bear is yeah it's a great lake I'm realizing not everyone knows about Big Bear I know it's a California yeah wow there's a lot of stuff they're running out of popular things I mean a lot of people didn't know about Tahoe either correct yeah I just I feel like when you live in California everyone's always talking about Big Bear yeah people go to Big Bear to like vacation

57:00Marques Brownlee:yeah Big Bear it's awesome wait a second are you guys from California? this is how fast they ran out of stuff right they had all the snow leopard cheetah puma all those right then they got to California stuff for OSN.9 okay Mavericks Yosemite El Capitan yeah okay great California Sierra Hi Sierra California California Mojave California Catalina California Big Sur now we're just obscure Monterey Monterey's not obscure Ventura

57:30Andrew Edwards:Ventura is not obscure Sonoma

57:33David Imel:I honestly didn't know Ventura was a place.

57:35Marques Brownlee:Because you guys are not from California. Exactly. It is a little obscure. Most people aren't from California. I know, but then actually,

57:42Andrew Edwards:Apple is. Statistically, in the United States, most people are from California.

57:46Marques Brownlee:No, no. Most people are aware of California but not intimately aware of all the things. I think we've run out of the popular, I mean, let's name it after a city, but these are generally pretty places in California. Yeah, Marquez, according to Google.

58:03Andrew Edwards:Which is cool. better? According to AI Overview, 12 % of all Americans are born in California.

58:09David Imel:Yeah, and 80 % aren't.

58:11Andrew Edwards:Yeah, that's very few.

58:12David Imel:I think that's more than anywhere else.

58:13Marques Brownlee:No, it's not. I think it is. I think it's top three. It's probably top one. It's probably two. I think it's number one. How many people live in New York State?

58:23Andrew Edwards:A lot less than California.

58:25Marques Brownlee:A lot less than California. What about Texas?

58:27Andrew Edwards:8 million less than California. Alright. Yeah, California. It's probably California.

58:31Marques Brownlee:Anyway, I'm just saying like these are all beautiful places. I agree. And the videos that they do to you know Craig's going to get on stage and say our crack marketing team. He's going to say that. That's true. Word for word. And he's going to announce this new thing and there's going to be a very pretty video of it and people from California are going to recognize it from the video before they say the name and be like oh my god it's Big Bear. And people are going to be like what's Big Bear? You know what I hope they do? The California state flag is a bear. So I hope they like zoom out of the flag and it's a bear and then they do a flyover of Big Bear Lake.

59:02David Imel:Wait, did they tease this like four years ago when that bear broke into that guy's house in the washer? That's a big bear.

59:11Marques Brownlee:Yeah, it could be one, too. So RTX Spark. RTX Spark. Speaking of big. Wait a second, that's not in California. Don't you know RTX Spark in California? Okay, so Apple, a number of years ago, 2020, released the M1 series processors. Big deal, big change, ARM-based, changed the world, okay? Been chasing that high ever since. Everyone's been chasing that high. Microsoft isn't chasing that high. Qualcomm's been chasing that high. They can never seem to do it because Windows just sucks. Unfortunately. It is truly not good. Yeah. Because they need backwards compatibility for like 100 years. So, NVIDIA, a multi-trillion dollar company.

59:52Marques Brownlee:What do they do? Never heard of them. You might not have heard of them. They're the big bear in the room. They're the biggest bear in the room. What they did was they made a competitor to the M1. It's called the RTX Spark Super Chip. It's effectively a laptop slash, you know, desktop PC version of the DGX Spark from last year, which was a personal dev kit AI box that combines CPU, GPU, all in one chip. Now they're going to put this thing in laptops, which is pretty crazy. We don't know really any performance. We don't really know any pricing. We just have numbers.

1:00:29David Imel:David, it has all day battery life.

1:00:32Marques Brownlee:Up to. Up to all day. I mean, it is a 3 nanometer process, so maybe it'll be okay with efficiency. But yeah, it's got 20 CPU cores, 6 ,144 GPU cores. They say it can have up to RTX 5070 equivalent graphics. We don't know if that's the 5070 on the desktop or the 5070 on the laptop, which are very different. Hey, don't specify. You can probably assume it's the lesser. Probably assume. Up to 128 gigabytes of unified memory, but it starts at 16 gigs of unified memory. All day battery life. Built in partnership with MediaTek. One petaflop of AI compute. 600 gigabytes per second bandwidth, or maybe that's gigabits.

1:01:14Marques Brownlee:I'm not sure if I read it correctly. Jensen talked a lot about this being a platform for agents. He said agents a lot. He used that word many times. he said there are only a billion people but there are so many more agents i'm serious about this make sure you pronounce it very carefully i also don't know why he said only a billion people because i think there's about eight billion people yeah but yeah okay am i my take on this let's go based on what i've seen yeah you know we got this announcement we got them focusing very heavily on AI and agents and how, you know, with up to 128 gigs of unified memory, you can run all these local large language models and do all this stuff and execute all these tasks and have even these optimizations.

1:02:02Marques Brownlee:They talked about Adobe with like special versions, obviously of CudaCore because it's NVIDIA, but special versions of this new Adobe software where you can have it make stuff for you in the creative suite. Crazy agents happening on your computer. my take basically which is probably based on how little time i spend in this pc world is the window for how good or bad this could be is good one enormous yeah no point intended but the window for how high the ceiling could be or how low the floor could be is huge yeah i think how bad it could be is okay we don't know how bad like the base chip is okay starting at 16 gigs unified memory you got a bunch of cores and obviously a whole bunch of bandwidth three an animated process and then it's just you know base just replacing the intel chip that you would have had level and that's okay and maybe it's a little too expensive the ceiling is like it is as good as the apple silicon chips and it's better because of all the optimizations and the cuda cores and it has all this local you know processing available all this ai uh for all the agents you're going to run so it's better for that sort of stuff so the the window and obviously it runs windows so like however into that you are the window for how good or bad this could be is huge to me so i am i'm going to wait to actually get my hands on it they announced a whole bunch of laptop oems are going to be making these rtx spark laptops and they're all very thin and very powerful very premium looking they all scream high price yeah but they haven't announced any specs or prices or benchmarks yet so i'm just gonna wait until we get some in hand and actually use them, benchmark them, and see how good they actually are.

1:03:42Marques Brownlee:The DGX Spark last year was announced at$3 ,000. When it came out, it was$4 ,000. And then within a few months, it became$4 ,600. And then for some reason, the Dell version was$6 ,300. So yeah, they're probably going to be pretty expensive. Again, we don't really know anything about battery life. The DGX Spark pulled 140 watts from the wall. Hopefully it doesn't pull that much. it's gonna be scaled down a lot yeah line is just saying something about 150 watts and then

1:04:11David Imel:the battery life not that's like two hours yeah he was like the math isn't mathing here but like all of it because this is all at computex right yeah and like well there was computex and then

1:04:22Marques Brownlee:there was nvidia had their own thing and then there was also microsoft build which happened

1:04:26David Imel:like right after okay yeah yeah um i mean they announced in it the microsoft surface ultra which is a 15-inch mini LED touchscreen, the largest haptic trackpad in a Surface ever. One thing that was kind of - It looks exactly like a MacBook Pro, by the way. I saw that it also just looks exactly like a Microsoft Surface laptop. It's looked like, except maybe a tad boxier, like thicker and less of a wedge shape. But I just think it's looked like a Surface for like that for a while. The Verge said that like looked exactly like a MacBook. And I was like, it also looks just like a -

1:05:00Marques Brownlee:It's more like a MacBook, but maybe I'm wrong. Surface Ultra is also a funny name. I mean, yeah, huge trackpad, black keyboard, thin bezels.

1:05:08David Imel:One thing I thought was interesting that Tom Warren said is, so it's got USB-C, HDMI, full-size SD, headphone jack, but there's a USB-C port on the right that he says looks a little bit larger. And when he asked the Microsoft employee, they just smiled and said they'd have more to share later.

1:05:22Marques Brownlee:Which to me sounds like a Surface Connect port. Like a fast charger? Like, remember how the old Surface devices had that?

1:05:30David Imel:like detachable one it was essentially always like this weird like long flat piece that would go into it and be like a proprietary fast charger but you could also charge with usbc in a different

1:05:42Marques Brownlee:port yeah yeah that was my guess too it might be a breakaway usbc like port interesting yeah so it could it could have the magnetic capabilities but also be usbc which would be cool yeah i think it's

1:05:55David Imel:just charging yeah i don't know i don't think it's anything that cool despite him smiling and laughing and being like you'll find out later this year yeah yeah this is all you know this is windows and arm again we've seen it yeah surface has done it with nvidia though being at the forefront and worth a yeah piss load of money yeah there is a higher chance for sure

1:06:19Marques Brownlee:there's a higher chance this works because nvidia has a lot more to lose than like Microsoft and Qualcomm did. The thing that people are really upset at though is that there is not Linux support right now and many, many developers use Linux. And so everyone being forced to use Windows is not making people happy. Yeah, that could be a future thing. I expect them to listen to their audience at some point and maybe expand support.

1:06:46David Imel:The response to Linus seems very like, we are not thinking about that right now. We have a lot of other things to worry about before we're going to worry about Linux.

1:06:54Marques Brownlee:Totally fair. They definitely had to launch this first and make sure it goes smoothly before doing anything else. Yeah, so there's like a million questions that we're going to not have answered until we actually get units of these things in-house. Yep.

1:07:07David Imel:Which is later this year. Like we're a while away from figuring out this stuff out.

1:07:11Marques Brownlee:For sure. Maybe before Siri. We'll see. Place your bets. Before GTA 6. Yeah, before GTA 6 or my Streetlight Manifest album.

1:07:19Andrew Edwards:I'm weirdly excited about this because there's a lot of like, you know, advanced high production, like creative workflows that more and more people are adopting. We were talking about this in the car this morning, David, like adopting these like very sort of slim local models to take care of like one task in a really complicated production workflow. And, you know, with all the extra ports and the big trackpad on this Microsoft Surface, I could see this being like a weirdly useful laptop with the asterisk being if this NVIDIA graphics engine has access to all the NVIDIA-specific graphics processes.

1:08:01Andrew Edwards:It does.

1:08:02Marques Brownlee:Yeah, Jensen made a big deal about the fact that this chipset supports literally everything NVIDIA's ever made.

1:08:08Andrew Edwards:So the idea, these are very hyper-specific applications, but I could see a lot of post-production workflows or computers that run concert visuals or things like that being able to do like really unique powerful things on this laptop if it's like not which unfortunately like it seems like they all end up being um so i don't think this is

1:08:32David Imel:i don't think so either it's supposed to run through windows though and as a windows user we had to do this thing with a dell monitor for a video we're making where it has a kvm and i'm switching between it setting up the dell drivers for the kvm of this dell monitor took me longer on the windows pc than it did on the mac for just like it kept failing and then just extracting it and actually downloading it literally took like 10 times as long and i was messaging marquez like i'm losing my mind here it was a dell xps laptop i was using that was like hurting trying to install Dell drivers. Yeah.

1:09:10David Imel:It was infuriating. Damn.

1:09:12Marques Brownlee:I want to be optimistic. I want to see when they come out. Hopefully we get these benchmarks going. Yeah.

1:09:18Andrew Edwards:Thank you for the big trackpad.

1:09:20Marques Brownlee:Yeah. All laptops need a giant trackpad. I agree. I agree. The question sort of becomes like Apple has become the de facto kind of AI agent computers because they're like the best bang for buck right now. but if another company comes in and is optimized for that stuff are people going to start moving over to you know agent specific hardware if it's built for whatever you plan on doing yeah whatever

1:09:45Andrew Edwards:that means and can they safeguard like I think another reason the Apple platform is so popular for vibe coding and agents and stuff like that is because it's you can really monkey around a lot in terminal and with bash commands and stuff and feel confident you're not gonna delete some system file that renders your computer completely broken in a way that I feel a lot less confident on a Windows system.

1:10:09Marques Brownlee:Satya did specifically say they're bringing a lot of that stuff to Windows now, though. Like they're bringing Homebrew to Windows. What? He announced that. How? He announced that a build.

1:10:20Andrew Edwards:It's a how? How?

1:10:22Marques Brownlee:Ask him.

1:10:22Andrew Edwards:That doesn't make sense. I thought Homebrew was a Mac thing. I thought it was a Mac repository. He said we're

1:10:26Marques Brownlee:bringing a lot of your favorite Mac stuff to Windows so that you can...

1:10:31Andrew Edwards:Oh, how the tables have turned, my friends. For my whole life it was like, oh, this is really sweet, but you can't do it on Mac, so I gotta own a... Oh, I love this program, but it's Windows owned. Now look at the Windows crowd, baby. Look at them crawl over to our side. Have the turntables.

1:10:46Marques Brownlee:Well, we won't know about that stuff until later this year, so a whole lot of hoopla. Hoopla! Hoopla! But while we're waiting for later this year to roll around, They're the thing that happens every single gosh darn week, baby. Right on time. It's Hoopla. Oh, trivia. Spell Hoopla.

1:11:04David Imel:This was another great Ellis question that I'm just going to steal from him. So, while Google Plus didn't stick around, one feature built into Google Plus eventually became a standalone product in 2013. What product is that?

1:11:18Andrew Edwards:I got two Google Plus questions, one episode. Do I actually know that one?

1:11:22Marques Brownlee:I think I actually know that one. Google Plus. Say it again. I'm going to get this one right.

1:11:26David Imel:While Google Plus did not stick around, one feature built into Google Plus eventually became a standalone product in 2013. What product was that? I think I actually know that. Can I ask a... No.

1:11:43Marques Brownlee:Just a little extra information. Okay. Does that product still exist?

1:11:48David Imel:It kind of changed its name. With every second, we're getting closer to spoiling the answer. Yeah, this is a hard one because I do think technically it's the same thing. Oh, I see what you're saying. They change its name and make it a different thing.

1:12:02Marques Brownlee:Yeah, I think you're giving enough chance. Everybody shut up. Everybody shut up. Too late. This is why she should listen to mine now. All right, never mind. Don't have to answer. You don't have to answer. We'll think about it. I'm going to answer. What are you talking about? We'll think about it. I'll lose that point. Yeah, you don't have to answer my question, my question, my clarifying question. Oh, I see. I'll just guess.

1:12:19David Imel:Nope, it's dead.

1:12:20Marques Brownlee:Oh, great. Oh. That doesn't narrow it down at all. Wait, it's back. And is that again? All right. We'll answer at the end. We'll be right back. Okay.

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1:14:02Marques Brownlee:Red Bull Summer All Day Play. Red Bull gives you wings. Visit redbull.com slash bright summer ahead to learn more. See you this summer. Welcome back. We got to talk about Microsoft. I stole that from Steve from Gamers Nexus. us uh oh i have the comment sections oh did they say that i made a video about uh just the problem that microsoft has with laptops and most of the comments were just making fun of microsoft by calling it microsoft damn it was solid well well we got two microsoft stories for you the first is that microsoft is making a project solara agent os so if uh you didn't hear the last part of the podcast and if you didn't i don't know why are you at this part of the podcast we talked about build very briefly.

1:14:49Marques Brownlee:Actually, yeah, this might be in a clip, so I don't know. That'd be crazy. But they had Microsoft build, which is their annual developer conference, similar to DubDub, similar to IO. And they announced some stuff there. One of the things they announced was a new OS called Project Solara. And it's effectively supposed to be an OS built specifically for agents. It's funny, though, because it's Android. Everything is Android at the end of the day. When I heard this, I thought of RabbitOS. Yeah. That's kind of what it is. Same thing. They basically, my take on this is that they are trying to build the future platform, kind of like Meta was trying to do with the metaverse because they were mad that Google kind of took the web.

1:15:29Marques Brownlee:And so now they're trying to be the ones that build an OS that can work on various different types of hardware. So they have these images of like, oh, smart glasses or a smart screen or a smart this. and they showed off two different concept devices one was like an echo like device like an amazon echo like device that sits on your desk has windows hello so you walk up to it it logs in and whatever and then you can just talk to it and you're talking to agents and agents are doing stuff for you whatever they also showed a concept of a smart badge now you might not know what a badge is if you have not worked at one of these mega corps one of these mega corps gives you a a little badge that you wear on your neck that has your name and your ID.

1:16:12Marques Brownlee:Oh, like a physical badge. Physical badge. Like an ID badge. Like an ID badge. I don't know why I was thinking like a meta verified checkmark badge or something. No, not a digital badge. You mean like an actual badge. Physical badge that helps you scan into different rooms, et cetera. This one has like your name, your ID on it, whatever, but it also has agents on it and also has a camera. So they showed off at build where the guy that was presenting it basically turned it sideways and he recorded a video and then he was like, computer. cut up a video of this and like share it to my social media with some cool music.

1:16:45Marques Brownlee:Bad. No, don't do that. It's a phone. It's not.

1:16:48David Imel:Your phone can do.

1:16:49Marques Brownlee:Yeah.

1:16:49David Imel:Just put it on your phone.

1:16:51Marques Brownlee:Yeah. And make the badge get you in the door. But the phone can't do it yet because Siri's not here yet. You know what I'm saying? And Gemini, I don't think Gemini can like cut up a video. I don't know. I don't think so either, but I don't know.

1:17:03David Imel:This is making me think that what if going back to dub dub predictions and rumors and stuff, if it becomes a Siri OS. Because Apple seems to be the only one that doesn't have this. Apple's not going to make a new OS just for Siri.

1:17:14Marques Brownlee:That's a little confusing. I don't know.

1:17:16David Imel:Because Android has Gemini that talks across all their platforms. Microsoft just announced this thing where all their agents, it's like different form factors, doesn't matter. The agent will talk to it. Apple doesn't have that yet.

1:17:27Marques Brownlee:It's iOS. I think Siri might act like that, but I don't think they would call it an OS. They share a lot of code. Just to avoid confusion. They'd call it an ontology.

1:17:37Andrew Edwards:that was a palantir joke sorry sorry like six people listening to this laughed really hard okay

1:17:46Marques Brownlee:anyway I already said it but yeah they want to be like the platform of the future and I don't know Microsoft has announced a lot of demo hardware in the past that they just never release so that's a possibility but yeah just wanted to bring that up

1:18:02David Imel:this doesn't seem like hardware to me

1:18:03Marques Brownlee:well it's yeah they are making concept devices to show what you could do with this agent OS that they're building on top of Android

1:18:11David Imel:but the thing that they're showing off is the agent OS

1:18:14Marques Brownlee:it's not like the hardware itself we'll see if they even ship the agent OS is my question because it's Microsoft okay one more Microsoft story Microsoft is in the process of shutting down all employees using cloud code for work by June 30th very funny people have been thinking about this for a long time at what point do tokens become more expensive than humans? Turns out we're reaching that point right now. They sped run that.

1:18:40Andrew Edwards:It's not like they're going to force them to use codex or the what's the Microsoft one called? It's GitHub Copilot CLI. They're just like no bots.

1:18:53David Imel:What happened was in December they gave everybody cloud subscriptions like pretty much whoever wanted it there and it seems like everyone was only using Claude and not Copilot. So one, the reason a lot of people think this is because of how much is expensive, because of how expensive it is, because it's ending on June 30th, which is the end of Microsoft's fiscal year. Big red flag of like, this is probably costing us a metric ton. But also it is a straight competitor. Not all employees are losing Claude completely because Copilot uses Claude inside of it. so they'll still be able to like be connected to it somewhat but most likely because it is a competitor and because it's costing so much money is why they're stopping them from using it but like David said we're getting to this point of what costs more agents or people and like Uber already just ditched like all their AI coding.

1:19:50Marques Brownlee:I mean Microsoft also has Copilot and they have GitHub Copilot and they announced that build a new version of Terminal which is they call a smart terminal which has GitHub Copilot built into the terminal. And so, I mean, Microsoft would be a little hypocritical if they were not using their own agents. They also announced their own language models at Build. So I think it's a combination of this is probably getting insanely expensive and also we spent billions of dollars to make this ourselves. Why are we not using it ourselves?

1:20:21David Imel:So this is getting insanely expensive in two different ways? Yeah.

1:20:24Marques Brownlee:So the question becomes how far behind Amthropic are they in terms of the quality of their language models. That's going to be a big question. And if it slows them down, do they need to be slowed down? I don't know. I don't know if there's anything that Microsoft's done significantly in the last few years. So who knows? I haven't used Bing in a minute. Remember when Bing got crazy? For one day.

1:20:43David Imel:Someone in our subreddit posted a really funny, they were like, it was the Bing co-pilot overview asking about me. And it said, I immigrated here in like 1891. And that I also host a podcast called Waveform.

1:20:56Marques Brownlee:Holy, holy. They said, call him Unk, but like really, really old. That's hella Unk. Holy s***. That's crazy. Speaking of the stuff, Anthropic also just confidentially filed to IPO, but then they tweeted about it. So it wasn't too confidential, I suppose. And it's one of the biggest IPOs. The estimations are just under a trillion dollars. Another IPO that might happen soon is the SpaceX one that is stealing from everyone's 401ks. That's a very complex topic. I watched like five videos about that yesterday. No, it's not. That's all there is to it. Well, yeah, it's about, so, okay, I'll tell you about that.

1:21:30Marques Brownlee:Is there a TLDW? Yes. Okay. Well, yes. Okay. So basically when you invest in an index fund, an index fund is run by a company, right? So like Dow is like a company that collects these index funds. And they basically, you know, you're forced to invest in the companies that they put on the index fund that they are. Yeah, you're not picking companies. You're picking a fund. they invest a bunch of companies for you. And so what has happened is that Twitter that got turned into X got merged into XAI, right? Because they were out of money. Then XAI got merged into SpaceX because XAI was out of money and they were burning a billion dollars a day.

1:22:13Marques Brownlee:They seem not related, but okay. It's a Russian nesting doll situation. It's a nesting doll.

1:22:19David Imel:There is something related. Elon Musk.

1:22:22Andrew Edwards:SpaceX is a reasonably profitable company and xai just burns cash at an insane rate yeah and so spacex and so elon was like if i buy xai with spacex i i don't lose any money because i'm paying myself for this and all of xai's losses gets absorbed into spacex shareholders so now the losses are their problem yeah and so now

1:22:43Marques Brownlee:spacex is filing to go public for like a lot of money uh the problem okay the crazy thing here is that usually when a company goes public if it's like a very large company there's sort of this cool down period that usually is about a year before seasoning it's called seasoning yeah where yeah where a stock basically the market has to see like is the stock gonna like go crazy and then dip or then blah blah blah these index funds will not adopt the stock for a year and that's just been a formality basically it's kind of a rule that they use um but elon basically convinced one of these index fund, like the Dow or whatever, the NASDAQ 100, to waive that formality so that the SpaceX stock will immediately get within, I think, 15 days or so, get injected into all of these index funds.

1:23:38Marques Brownlee:So now if you have a 401k that tracks the NASDAQ 100, you automatically have to invest in SpaceX?

1:23:47Andrew Edwards:The whole idea is that Elon and everyone at SpaceX knows that SpaceX is the most overvalued public company in the world. They lose not quite a billion dollars a month, but in the hundreds of millions of dollars a month. And they're valued as one of the most valuable companies in the world. Is it SpaceX or XAI? It's the same company. SpaceX AI. SpaceX, so Elon used SpaceX to buy XAI. Which bought Twitter. Yeah, so SpaceX SpaceX, XAI, and Twitter are all the same balance sheet now. And together, they record about$800 million of losses. I'm going to fact check that up for the episode, but I believe it's about$800 million of losses a year.

1:24:28Andrew Edwards:So the whole plan is, if you can get all of these index funds to automatically buy SpaceX about two weeks after it IPOs, it doesn't have enough time to crash, and that auto-pumps the stock to infinity. so when the stock does crash the people who lose are the people whose retirement accounts auto-invested

1:24:47Marques Brownlee:and the people who already have the stock in SpaceX AI are the people who invested in Twitter and the people who invested in XAI which is like a lot of the billionaires who funded the Twitter deal in the beginning because Elon lost half of the value of Twitter after he bought it

1:25:00Andrew Edwards:because it crashed to half the price you know how like in the meme coin strat is you tweet about a meme coin so a bunch of people buy it and then you sell off as soon as they buy it because you secretly own 80 % of the... That's the plan here. Except instead of convincing people to buy it with a tweet... They're being forced to buy it. They're literally being forced to buy it. Everyone who has a 401k. It's like one of the most insane financial plays ever.

1:25:25David Imel:The stock market sucks. It's all fake.

1:25:28Marques Brownlee:I think a lot of people don't realize that these index funds are companies and they're not just things that are set up and managed by the government and are politically immoral whatever. They're companies that their whole thing is that they track certain stocks. So, yeah, it's crazy. I would recommend watching some videos on it. It's wild. Yeah, and then Anthropics potentially going to go public. We'll see if OpenAI goes public. I don't know, man. It's going to be crazy. If the AI bubble does burst, it'll probably happen in the next six months.

1:26:00David Imel:We're speed running this whole tech, I feel like. Two years ago, we were like, cool, look,

1:26:05Andrew Edwards:Will Smith eating spaghetti or like, it made a

1:26:07David Imel:dinosaur chicken nugget surfing. like this and now we're like it's too expensive to run anymore yeah so who do you think is going to go public first anthropic

1:26:14Andrew Edwards:or anthropic before opening i for sure i need to correct myself i said spacex was losing about 800 billion dollars a month i was not even close um in the first three months of this year they lost 4.3 billion with a b dollars okay you misspoke for a second

1:26:30David Imel:though you said 800 billion you mean

1:26:31Andrew Edwards:million yeah sorry 800 million was an incorrect number for in the first three months of 2026 they lost $4.3 billion, despite being, again, in theory, the largest, most valuable IPO in history somehow.

1:26:47David Imel:I still get it.

1:26:49Marques Brownlee:Because they're betting on the future. Anthropic is worth more than OpenAI now. Did you know that? That's crazy. It's all spec.

1:26:57Andrew Edwards:It doesn't matter. All of it is. In theory, not all of it. There are companies you can buy whose balance sheets directly reflect their valuation you know they're just they just don't know how to grind that's true no what they don't know how to do is pay another company to buy 800 million dollars worth of their own product i always

1:27:17Marques Brownlee:find it weird when like a like we'll see something on stage happen and then we'll see like that night a story about how the stock price went like the ferrari lucha yeah like the car gets announced and then they lose 5 % of their value overnight. That's just speculation. That's just people going, ah, I see that there are future plans for selling this will not work out. So I don't think they're worth as much anymore. So I will sell or I think it's worth less.

1:27:44Andrew Edwards:Well, in theory, that's the whole idea of index funds, right? It's like you can escape the volatility of a certain market. But the contract sort of falls apart when the company runs your index fund is like, no I'm going to make so much money off of the losses.

1:28:01Marques Brownlee:I think Hank Green did a good video about this. The point of an index fund is to escape the volatility of different markets but when 80 % of the market is AI companies it's still dangerous to have your money in an index fund now. This is not financial advice. Not financial advice. We should probably cut dangerous. That's what he said. I don't know I'm just quoting him. Did he say not financial advice? several times rapidly into the camera without blinking.

1:28:30Andrew Edwards:Actually, fun fact, Hank Green is a certified public accountant.

1:28:33Marques Brownlee:Nope, I've made that up. This is not truth advice. It's fine because the president has a meme coin anyway. Don't listen to us. Don't listen to us. Go watch people who are very, very well versed in this. I only learned about this last night. Blame them. Okay, well, with that, we're going to wrap it up with trivia. And then next we go to WDC.

1:29:01Andrew Edwards:For some reason, you're saying wrap it up really makes me want some sort of wrap for lunch. What kind of? I don't know. Guys, before Google Plus was released, how many before Google Plus, how many social networking sites did Google launch? Would you like me to include social media platforms that Google purchased pre-launch or just ones that Google was the launcher of. What were you going to do

1:29:31Marques Brownlee:at the beginning? Google launched. And is it close without going over? Yes, it is price is right rules.

1:29:44Marques Brownlee:So then just the number?

1:29:46Andrew Edwards:Just the number? I don't need names. And I will fully accept that if you write to me about the one I missed, I will go back and award points.

1:29:58Marques Brownlee:I feel like I'm... I guess Price is right. I just go with the lower.

1:30:03Andrew Edwards:And I would also like to make a clarification because there are lots of things that Google did that are sort of like social media platforms that are not, in my opinion, social media platforms. Oh, this is based on your opinion.

1:30:13Marques Brownlee:We made debate on this.

1:30:14Andrew Edwards:I am not including Dodgeball because while that does resemble Foursquare, it was an SMS service and I don't believe an SMS-based service could be... I think that's pretty so. ...a social network. I am not including Picasa web because the social features were an afterthought I am not including Google OpenSocial because that is a protocol and an API it is not an accessible platform but it's the Fediverse I am not including Google Wave what? it was sort of like a bulletin board that feels like social media though to me and I am not including Google Buzz

1:30:50Marques Brownlee:no, that's social media That is definitively social media.

1:30:55Andrew Edwards:You think Google Buzz is social media? Yeah. Okay, I will include Google Buzz then. Yeah. All right. How many did you put? I should have put more. Oh, I went high.

1:31:04David Imel:Did you put 14? Okay, we'll see. Bro, you made it sound like it was 800.

1:31:08Andrew Edwards:No. Marquez, what did you put? I put five. Unfortunately, as of my current list, you are one over, unfortunately, because I had four on my list. David, you put? Three. which four did you I included haiku or I think it's pronounced haiku because it starts with a J sonnet I did haiku it's because it's a cross between the word haiku and a Finnish word for like short stories and it was a Twitter clone Google haiku

1:31:42Marques Brownlee:I don't remember that very well

1:31:44Andrew Edwards:sorry haiku cannot be on this list haiku was purchased by Google after it was launched I take that back so there are three there are three the correct answer is three so david nailed it right on the money i think oh no but we put google buzz on the list yeah buzz oh yeah buzz google friend connect and orcut and i had never heard of orcut but google really tried to make it happen and it only took off in brazil can i read you a description of one and you can tell me if it's

1:32:09Marques Brownlee:social media or not sure the description is a mobile app for group discussions and messaging developed by google it was intended to compete with slack but it was where but it was a content sharing platform where users can create a space, invite their friends for discussions, share videos, images, text, and other media? I'm open to it, but what year did it launch?

1:32:26David Imel:Yeah.

1:32:27Marques Brownlee:2016. That is after Google+. Got it. And then, okay, what else was I thinking? I like Google Wave as social media,

1:32:35Andrew Edwards:but I still lose anyway. Okay. Buzz, buzz. If you are upset with the way I adjudicated this question, I encourage you to tweet at me or leave a comment. Google Wave. You can really

1:32:45David Imel:stick it to them by subscribing. dude if you subscribed i would hate that so much so i got the point you got the point and with that you now are at 30 points oh andrew at 25 marquez with 26 yeah yeah that's closer than i thought

1:33:03Marques Brownlee:cool that's a close way yeah how did you get so many points i think mariah got a few you have a crazy run or something no people when he was out people got points

1:33:12David Imel:Hell yeah. All right. Team game. Question number two. Yeah. While Google Plus didn't stick around, one feature built into Google Plus eventually became a standalone product in 2013. What was it?

1:33:24Marques Brownlee:I mean, Google Plus didn't have very many features, but it did have these. It had the entirety photography community on it. These. I'm trying to figure out which one stuck around. Oh, Iron. Iron. Oh, man. I think I'm wrong but I'm gonna try it cause I don't know the name

1:33:50David Imel:alright flip them and read what do you guys got I'm worried there's a really stupid answer that's what okay we all said different things what are you and you just had a completely different company so you go first that's not a google problem

1:34:06Marques Brownlee:I was torn between circles or whatever the chat built into it was called and I ended up just going with circles. Nope. Hangouts. Correct. So that was what the chat was called. I used Hangouts a lot.

1:34:23David Imel:I loved Google Hangouts. Which version? The Google guy over here.

1:34:27Marques Brownlee:Remember when they integrated Hangouts with SMS and then they took it out and then they put it back and then they took it out again? It was going to be my unified messaging app so many times.

1:34:34David Imel:So many times!

1:34:35Marques Brownlee:And then it wasn't. And then it was. There's a little chat in the side of Gmail. No, I knew better. I knew Google wasn't going to stick with it. Because when it finally got it, I forgot what phone was coming out, but it was preloaded on the phones, and it was sitting in the dock, and I was like, oh, I could just use this. But I knew better. The one that really broke my heart was Allo. Because Allo had such cool UI, and the animations and the stickers were so awesome. Yeah. That's because they were trying to copy iMessage and FaceTime, so they made Allo and Duo. And they kept the worst one. Duo sucks.

1:35:05Marques Brownlee:Allo should have been it right. Well, now it's just, I think they integrated Duo into Google. Now it's just me.

1:35:09Andrew Edwards:We're not doing this again. We're not doing the Google chat meet Allo Duo call. We're not. It's been famous. Someone read us out.

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