Apple Splitting up iPhone 18 Releases?

34:51So they were a bunch of conversations internally about what they should charge. Phil Schiller actually recommended that they didn't take any commission, which is quite surprising. But a lot of people were arguing, and Tim Cook eventually was like, no, we're going to do 27%. 27 %? Yeah. Okay. So they still take a cut if you get linked to an app outside the app store or a product outside the app store and then you have to back pay Apple that money. Wow. Yeah. So in the new ruling, the judge was still very annoyed and said that they just came up with the 27 % number out of nowhere, which was true.

35:28Yep. They also restricted developers from doing things like keeping users logged in. So every single time they would use a link, they couldn't use dynamic links. they just had to use regular web links so if you wanted to like go to the epic store or whatever you'd have to log into your epic account every time you wanted to buy vbucks or like yeah every time you want to buy vbucks which as someone who's spent way too much money on skins and other games it's pretty often yeah so like every time for that gojo drop yeah like that's a lot and to sign in every single time with probably in a really long password that you've changed a million times because your friends are trying to hack you for your sweet Fortnite skins.

36:08Gotta stay protected out there. Yeah. Okay, so what happens now? Apple now has to give developers zero restrictions when using buttons and links in their app to let users make purchases over the web. Because previously, when they would put that link in the app or button, as they defined it as, even though it was like a regular little web link, they couldn't put it in the standard area where you buy things in the app. They had to put it somewhere else, which is insane. like that's an insane rule they can't do that anymore uh they cannot take any commission for purchases made over the web which is hilarious because the judge said you can you just have to like give me a justified number like you have to justify that number and come up with reasons why that number makes sense and because they just pulled it out of a hat now she's saying you can't take any commission anymore they had a great reason made them a ton of money yeah uh exactly Value generated was incredible.

37:03Yeah. This means that tons of apps are going to start including links to sign up for their subscriptions or have microtransactions through their website so that Apple can't take that amount. Because now, if you're an app developer, you can have in the app, you know, buy this thing, but then Apple takes 30%. But now you can also have go to our store, it opens it in Safari or whatever your default web browser is, and you can pay through there. And Apple can't take any of that money now. Yeah. And they're going to tell you, hey, it's going to be cheaper. if you go this way. It's going to incentivize people.

37:33If they say this is 25 % cheaper, the developer makes 5 % more than they normally would and they don't have to pay Apple, people are generally going to go with that option. Yeah. Which is kind of nuts. Like this is a very big thing to change for the App Store. It was also found that Apple's executive VP of finance lied under oath about what that percentage was because he had said that they came up with the number over a bunch of different, like they came up with all this reasoning and it was at the last minute. And they actually had just come up with it earlier and were like, no, we're just going to take 27%.

38:07So she referred the California court to prosecute him potentially, which is kind of insane. Yeah. So there was a lot of drama that was going down here. Okay, wait, I have a question. Yeah. So you're saying that they now have links that developers can put it in their apps that will like open up on Safari, right? To do a thing. Yeah. So in the app, can't they also incentivize developers to put like a pay with Apple Pay option? Yeah. So would that still have the 30 %? Yeah. As long as the payment is not leaving the app. If your payment is made within the app, Apple takes 30%. Sheesh. Yeah. But if you go to like a website, then it's different.

38:49I'm assuming these apps are also going to like go really hard into the like, please go buy over here. You will spend way less money. 100%. That's what I would assume. We've already seen a bunch of developers do this. Spotify has already done this. Patreon is doing that this week. Fortnite, like Epic is doing it this week. They're putting Fortnite back in the app store. Yeah, they're putting it back on the app store. In the next week. They're putting it back on. That's the news. Why didn't we do that? Well, no, that's what all this like boils. Like they won. Yeah. Because the whole reason they got kicked off the app store was because they did this.

39:21And now because they legally have to allow this, they're not violating anything anymore. So they have to allow them back on the app store. which is crazy. So the future of this is going to be very interesting because if Apple can no longer take 30 % on every purchase anymore because it is to the user's benefit to be able to go onto the web and buy something for cheaper, Apple services revenue off of the App Store is going to drop significantly, and that's like a huge portion of their revenue. Yeah. So, yeah. That's one of the, I mean, it hits somewhere it hurts. That's a big deal for Apple. very interesting does this make the app store less appealing to new developers i mean why i feel like it makes it makes it more appealing more appealing because you can use it as a platform for visibility but then also send people out to get from your website yeah it also it makes apple have to actually like make it worth buying things within the app right there like Are there actual things they're doing for these developers to make it easier to pay inside the app versus going to website?

40:30Because there are people who will pay a little bit of a premium to make a one-tap payment or something like that. But if you're charging these crazy fees, I'm always going to take the extra five minutes to save 30 % on my Galaxy Fortnite scan. Right. Yeah, a comment that I saw online was that these indie developers and smaller developers, you could say whether or not Epic is indie or not. But they're effectively subsidizing a bank app, for example. Chase Bank pays$100 a year for that developer fee, and that is all they pay to Apple to host the Chase app. And Chase gets so much more value from hosting the Chase app than a small indie developer does, who every time they have any sort of subscription or any microtransaction, Apple takes 30 % of that.

41:14That is insane. And so now it's sort of like evening the playing field so that everyone sort of has the same opportunity. because Chase is the same way. Like any bank is the same way. You sign up for the bank on a web browser or whatever. You go to a bank, you do that. You sign in through the app and it's just a portal. And that's what's going to be the case for pretty much all apps now. So yeah, big, big change. Apple is of course going to appeal this, but the judge did say there will not be another bite at the Apple as her last sentence in the injunction. Is this judge a rapper? Yeah. This sounds like a Netflix drama kind of with some of the lines they're dropping.

41:53She was really mad. She was really mad. One thing I find really interesting about all of this is like, man, Fortnite's really been around for a while. The fact that this is still like a big thing where they're bringing it back and this started in 2021 when Fortnite was already huge. I mean, they have Sabrina Carpenter now. I was talking about this the other night with my friend because I hopped on Fortnite for like the first time actually no the second time ever and he was telling me about all the new like updates that they did and all the new collabs and i was like is this the best game ever like it is insane how big this game is and how every season people are so hyped to play this game still dota 2 my like a word i know i don't know about that besides you besides you i think you could argue right off the the bat and current games that are very popular have been for a long time is like minecraft's pretty up there also more than fortnight yeah it was there it's been around longer huh not yet oh that's not yet but they have had concerts in fortnight does that can is that considered a movie it's close i'm just thinking about like you know the pantheon of like media minecraft's probably 1a and fortnight 1b i think at this point it's i mean i don't I don't know.

43:11Fortnite probably makes way more money than Minecraft. I'm totally guessing on that because of how many crazy microtransactions there are in that game with skins and stuff like that. Man, you just keep thinking Fortnite's gonna die and it's still chugging. I mean, it is crazy. A lot of developers will release a game and then they maybe do one or two seasons and they're like, we're gonna stop supporting this now. Or here's the new version. Whereas Epic is just like, yep, new things coming out every few weeks. Forever. But it's easy for them because they can just do all these collaborations, right?

43:42Now they have Star Wars coming out. I mean, they're killing it. Game out. That's why I jumped on. Oh, you did? I got the Luke Skywalker skin, baby. The fact that they can grab someone who's played the game one time to just jump on. And I bet that was like a$30 skin. $22.99. Bro, you literally played one time, jumped on, spent$22. I think I spent like$8.99 real life money on the V-Books or whatever. I don't know. They got me more or less is what I'm saying. Yeah. Yeah. So there's been a lot of tech antitrust stuff going on recently. There's a big story about how Google might have to sell Chrome.

44:18Nobody knows who's going to buy that if that happens. The ad tech business for Google might get broken up and have to be sold off. There's a lot of crazy stuff. It seems to be the theme of 2025 along with tariffs. Well, a lot of this stuff started in like 2021. We're just getting like real things we're almost seeing. It's like some actual action towards it. Okay, last little thing in this section before we go to trivia. There is a new hard drive art thingy out that I want. Here are my 100 bullet points and this is pretty hard drive. Yeah. There is a company called Buffalo that is bringing back this hard drive design from 1998.

44:59It's called the Skeleton Hard Disk. And it basically shows the disk spinning on the inside. It's very pretty. it's kind of an accessory for your desktop with a little window that can show it spinning and you can see the little the the disc needle moving around yeah and there's software that makes it so that you can just make the disc needle move in different ways and there's one where it moves like a constantly right yeah there's one where it moves like a metronome so what it it's like a standing up hard disk it looks like a wireless phone charger kind of yeah it's black and gold it looks really nice I have two huge gripes and one I think I hope I'm wrong about this is an actual hard drive disc right like a spinning hard drive disc we're still using 4 terabytes you're not going to store anything you care about on this some people do I got a spinner at home I'm not going to buy a new one today I bought one new one 3 weeks ago some people do let's talk about transfer speeds with the micro USB this thing comes with.

46:08Hey. That's USB-C. That's micro USB? That's micro USB. It's not just micro USB. Micro B. Oh, micro. Oh, no. It's micro B, yeah. Okay, but look. This is$700. Counterpoint. Jesus. Counterpoint, if it's permanently on my desk, I don't really care what cable it's using. I do. So you're not going to store stuff on it? Well, yeah, I would. I probably would. Unless I used it as a metronome the whole time. that seems like you wouldn't want to uh actively break down your hard drive for the art of it and also store things you care about on it seems like a one or the other like image storage that i only have to access every now and then you know time machine time machine it's four terabytes i don't know that's what mine's for yeah nostalgia hits people in funny ways you know i'm not nostalgia for micro me neither or hard drives to be but it's so pretty i'm a little nostalgic for hard drives come on not using them i had their core drive nightmares and i was i was so happy i was right in the like age where we were growing up with ssds for the first time where people would buy like a 60 gig ssd to put the os on and store everything else on the hard drive because ssds were so expensive yeah you couldn't put everything on an ssd yeah ssds are so much better than a I was like, I gotta have something on an SSD.

47:27You put your OS on the SSD so it boots really fast. But like a hard drive, an SSD, I like plug in an external one and it's not working. And I'm like, is this fine? Why is it not connecting? Where a hard drive, I know when that's not working because it's like. This is true. I just feel like there's, I don't know, hard drives. I don't lust for old hard drive tech anymore. I love moving on old hard drives. I agree it's designed well. It kind of looks like an album. like a yeah like a showcase for an album or something that's cool this looks like a mag safe charger that's it that you would put your phone onto with a clear thing yeah it's three pounds it's four terabytes and if you've got six hundred ninety five dollars burning a hole in your pocket you too could own one of these drives and plug it in via micro usbb yeah the micro b part is the one that's it's micro but it has the extra little little prong yeah it's so bad that's like the S5 came with that but you can just plug a regular micro also in?

48:28It just makes it faster if you do. Okay, counterpoint. Wait, to his or to mine? To all of y 'all. What? Interesting. There is a very similar product that exists that if you just want the aesthetics of this and nothing more, it is made by the company that makes those terrible headphones. Sorry. It is made by the company that makes those cool headphones. It's made by the company that makes the headphones that David likes. Yeah. from cam 5 yeah they make a cd player i believe it's called the cp2 oh yeah um yeah the cp2 you cannot convince me to buy a cd player i am in the market for a cd player and this seems like the one that i want but yeah if you want this but instead of a hard drive it's a cd it's right there i want the headphones and i don't want a cd player and you want a cd player but on the headphones why don't we just buy the bundle and split it wait there's a bundle there probably isn't but I might email them and ask them.

49:19Yeah, it's like a thousand bucks. No. I mean, maybe. Also, you need to, this hard drive, you need to enter in a drawing. Because there's only 50 units. Oh, there's 50? 50 units priced at 100 ,000 yen. I thought there was 500. So around 700. Available for purchase starting in June via lottery. That makes it even more like you want it more. It's probably because they could only find 50 micro B cables. All they need to do is have me open up my suitcase full of cables, and I've got 50 microbe cables for them right there. That's wild. Well, trivia.

50:01It's funny because nostalgia, it'll hit me. It'll be like something that I cared about as a kid, and I'll be like, this is beautiful. I love it. I want one. Like the Zune HD, yes, please. I need it. Bring it back. What if it's a hard drive that looks like the Zune HD? Then I would love it. But then as soon as it's something that I don't care about, I'm like, this is dumb. like why would anyone want this wow i would use an htc thunderbolt again if it was just like better that was actually the worst one or sorry not thunderbolt might be one m8 oh i love that phone or m7 one of the play version or the regular yeah the thunderbolt was horrible the thunderbolt burned a hand burned my hand it was like the first 5g 4g smartphone yeah and i remember having it and it died before the end of the school day yeah think about how fast your phone has to die.

50:45That was so long ago because you were in school. Yeah, I remember in fifth grade I'd be in like seventh period biology and be like, my phone's gonna die and I don't have a way to charge it and that would be a problem. You didn't have your microbeam. And they'd be like, eh, it has its downsides. Your phone could die. Yeah, I was trying to do Skype and one other thing at the same time and it overheated and burned my hand. Rest in peace, Skype. I know, rest in peace, officially, Skype. That's true. Wait, what? Teams. We never even got live translation. maybe Skype had to die for live translation to run you know what I'm saying okay trivia

51:24Matias Duarte is a Chilean American computer interface designer that worked on webOS the hip top and then Google picked him up obviously to work on you know what a god the first version of Android that he himself worked on was what? If it's what I think it is, that's going to be really funny. Hint, this version of Android debuted on the Motorola Zoom tablet. Zoom with an X. It is what I thought. I love that tablet. These two questions, the amount that these two understand is like 98%. The amount I understand is literally less than one. If you guess at an Android version, you will probably get it.

52:06You should be able to say the name instead of the number, too. that might help i'll take both but sure i'll give you an extra point if you get both okay name and number i review i mean i reviewed it so i have no excuse not to know it but yeah this is i'm between two because of reasons that i can't say i'm writing it down now so that i don't what about the last one the last question the first question i'm just gonna cover it up you know if you're between two answers and you're you know choosing which one and you're going back and forth you could be saying that you're switching between those switching between two it is a switch you know it's funny i thought that that joke got unfunny faster than the audience did you know we're making i think i know every day we gotta go we gotta go to break this is this is plummeting okay all right we'll see you soon switch two

53:08Thank you.

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55:04All right, welcome back. For our last little bit, I wanted to ask our fellow hosts what they think will be more exciting this year. Google I.O. or WWDC? I.O. Well, wait, can we count the little pre-Android event the week before I.O.? You can dig that in, sure. I vote that because DubDub's just going to be what DubDub was last year because they're still releasing the same thing. they just re-announced apple intelligence they just replay the same thing yeah 20 uh 24 crossed out yeah 2025 yeah but but we are getting new uis for both of these things yeah because remember they're getting the the very like vision os style of ui stuff glass and then also the new android version is also supposed to be really classy but that's also going to have material three expressive gemini 2.5 research both could be interesting i guess the question is so okay we can do our little preview of each of them coming up io is coming up first then wwdc is coming up in later in the summer in june google io happens every year it's google's developer conference where they talk about all the new stuff happening on the software front but this year they've separated out the Android part of it, which is usually the part I'm most interested in, because we suspect there is going to be a lot of AI, Gemini, etc.

56:30in the main IO. But I'm looping them both together because I think they're both interesting. And I do expect a good amount of new software stuff like we talked about with Android, with the new UI, with Material 3, expressive etc it could be fun to watch wwdc we actually have uh some some leaks or at least some themes to expect according to mark german which i also think are interesting there's three main bullet points uh he writes redesigned and more cohesive operating systems which is what you mentioned with like vision os and the glass uh new apple intelligence capabilities which to me But we didn't get the old ones either.

57:13Are you adding to the list or what's happening here? And then lastly, major enhancements to the iPad's OS. It just turns into Mac OS. Now every year we have this discussion. The iPad gets more powerful. It gets a better chip. It does slightly more stuff, but it's never... We make the same video every year. Yeah, we do. Some YouTuber goes, can it be my computer? And then they use it for a week and they go, actually, it's kind of good at some stuff and kind of not that good, but Apple intentionally makes it a little confusing. so when i see major enhancements to the ipad's os it's kind of like reading tesla roadster i go oh really this time it's for real huh and i i don't want to get my hopes up too high but marquez this time will be different this time actually this year's got a pretty good shot at it be no really yeah no i i don't know what to expect by major enhancements because i feel like it could just be a different way of organizing the windows that apple already does or it could be a dramatic thing that we're not expecting the two rumors i read are a new menu bar and a new way of doing stage manager both of them seem to be specifically when you connect them to the magic keyboard which make them feel more like a mac sure yeah but can i move my mouse around freely or will it still snap magnetically to random icons i haven't used it's probably gonna snap snap yeah well you can move it freely between icons but then when you move near an icon it snaps to the icon so like does common touch points yeah yeah which is actually i thought it worked pretty well i thought it was pretty good actually yeah yeah it's you know like it i didn't like it it's weird you guys need aim assist it's not that we need it it's just that it felt good there are certain small touch points like in the corners or on like small items you normally touch with your finger where it would be frustrating if you missed.

59:02So they just make sure you don't miss. So if you were going to click like a blank space next to an icon, that wouldn't have done anything. So they just snap you to the thing you were going to. So like when you're using the touchpad? Yeah. Oh. Yeah. So you had a little glowing white circle for a cursor. I don't know why, but it did work. I want to try. I want to like want to go test this. Sorry. I do want to try. I think it works pretty well. Yeah. I like that. That sounds disgusting. I noticed it didn't work. I just want to know if I can move it however I want. I just want to know if I have free will on my...

59:29You have free will. It's right between free will and determinism. It's like right below it. You just, you can't press the pixels next to the icon. But why would you want to? You have free will, but I know best. Yeah. You can't drive off the side of the road, but why would you want to? It's like lane assist. It's lane assist. It's aim assist. It literally is aim assist on your desktop. Cars have lane assist, so you feel yourself like, you know, getting too close to the other line. Right, that's true. It like bounces you back to the middle. I hate that. And on one hand, oh no, I don't have free will.

1:00:01But on the other hand, there's families over there that I need to not crash into. So it's like keeping you doing what you want to do. You know? Cool. Bumper bowling? I don't know. Bumper bowling? It's a thing you can do. Wow. If you want to. But yeah, we'll see. This is all like stuff TBD this summer. And I'm trying not to get my hopes up too high. I also, I mean, we've talked, we've had the Glass iOS discussion before. I'm not really sure exactly what that looks like, but it could happen. I'm excited for the mini IO for Google that's all about Android stuff. The Android show, as they call it.

1:00:37What is it going to be about? Material 3 Express powered by Gemini Nano. It's going to be the version of Android that you see on the next Pixel and only the next Pixel. Yeah. Basically. Until two months after that. And then it's on all the Pixels. Yeah. Then it comes to Google Photos. but it will never be on any Android phone. Like, I've accepted that I, like, we just got this One UI 8 update on our Samsung phones. Seven. Seven. Sorry, One UI 7. I just downloaded it today. Just got it this morning. I got, very little changed, but, you know, there's some new stuff. It looks pretty different. Wait, am I coming from, is this One UI 8?

1:01:13Are you talking about this? No, seven. This? Seven. The, like, how now you, yeah, the notifications and the, Okay, so I've been on this for a while. Oh, you have, yeah. I just got it this morning. I hate that my app drawer is not pages. It's one singular sliding drawer now. I hate that. I guess I was on the beta for a while. That's why. I'm actually kind of liking. I know a lot of people are mad at the swipe from the right for quick settings, swipe from the left. That's cool. A little dynamic island, actually. Two swipes this time. But if you just swipe down from anywhere on the phone, then it's your notifications.

1:01:46Yep. So I think it's very specific to go to your settings top right. When do we start talking about this? I don't remember exactly. Android. Anyway, I'm excited because for the last two months, we have had to talk about some sort of court case. And now for the next essentially four weeks, we have straight next week is mini IO. The week after is IO. The week after that is probably all the leaks for DubDub and then DubDub. It is the next month of bangers. I'm excited. Yeah. We've been in a little lull this year and I think we're finally going to get back to popping off. Everything's going to pop off.

1:02:18We might go four whole episodes without saying the word tariff or court. Or switch. I don't know about that. Well, I'll keep track because I highly doubt that. Pump the brakes, Marques. We were in a lull, now we're going to be in an LMAO. You know what I mean? Yes. I get it. Can I propose? I know it's like a bunch of, wait, you think I'm too young for LMFAO? Is that weird? Yes, actually, the way you responded to that, I do think. You think, not look, I was a fan of LMFAO both before and after they started party rocking. Excuse me, apologized for party rocking. Okay. Let's move forward. What were you going to say, Alex?

1:02:57I want to propose a over-under bet. Okay. Specifically for IO. Okay. Not mini IO. Okay. Grandpa IO. Okay. Which is over-under how many things. You know, I'm realizing I gamble so little. I don't even know if I'm doing over-under right, actually. Let's play the outro. Well, you just got to parlay the money line in there. Yeah. So parlay this money line, fools. My puts. How many things will Google advertise that you can now do as a podcast or understand as a podcast? So how many times do they say the word podcast? How many times do they say the word podcast? Do you not want to do this? How many times will they turn something that's not a podcast into a podcast?

1:03:37One. Seven. I don't know if we'll specifically see the podcast thing. I do think they're going to turn everything into something different with an LLL. I actually find the podcast thing occasionally useful where you can just drop in a URL and go give me a podcast about this. And it's - You use that? I have used it. I don't use it very often, but it is a thing that's impressive that it can do. But I don't think, I think on stage, they're going to spend a lot of time showing people, developers, users, how they can either save time or do more effective deep research or whatever using these AI tools that they have.

1:04:15And they're going to be everywhere. They're going to be next to your calendar, next to your Gmail, next to your docs, next to everything they do. It's just going to be Gemini, all the things. And maybe you can also have them turn your Gmail inbox into a podcast or something. All right. I'm setting the podcast. I'm setting the split at two. So, Marquez, you have under. You're taking the under. Let's set it at one and a half. One and a half. So, I'm taking the under. Okay. I'm going the over. Over. Over. Yeah. I think it's going to be two. Really? Broadcast stuff. Okay. I think they're going to be like, it's the feature that I see people talk about the most on the internet.

1:04:48They've been talking about Notebook LM. There's a whole app coming out for Notebook LM very soon. And it's probably just going to launch at I.O. at this point. And whenever I see people talk about Notebook LM, I do see people, especially on Discord, talk about like really cool things they've done with Notebook LM. but most of the stuff I see is just like yo do you not want to like read this entire recipe on how to make this soup just turn it into three chefs having a podcast where they talk about how to make this soup yeah right it is kind of cheesy after a while but if you're that type of learner some people are visual learners and they have a tool for that some people are auditory learners some people are podcast learners then they do that I'm gonna turn our YouTube comments into a podcast and that's how I'm gonna gauge feedback from every episode Yeah, they're gonna drive off the road three AI creators like having a riff about the podcast comment section Wait, actually I kind of want it What this podcast right now was geminate generated by notebook.

1:05:50Um, it was going out supposed to be self-aware So let's stay away from that time Adam, what do you do? What do you have free will all of our comments are bots anyway, so it doesn't matter? No, no, no, no, no. They're lovely, lovely people with red blood in their veins. Yeah, they're all doing the dishes. You think an AI can do the dishes? All it can do is make a podcast about doing the dishes. Yeah. It is funny because some of those Notebook LM podcasts have inside jokes and will joke about things the exact same way we are. And it kind of feels like we're inside of one of those podcasts right now.

1:06:19Where do you think they learned it from? It's true. Now that I think about it, I don't remember coming into this room or leaving it. no yeah you're definitely in a notebook lm podcast right now i don't think lms can feel the humidity that is in this room right now what if life is just one big podcast damn that's deep damn what's that show what's that the truman show what is that the truman show yeah yeah that's a podcast kind of feels like that sometimes as a podcast this is season 30 of my podcast we're going off the rails which means which means it's time you know what it's time for trivia podcast not yet no that was really good yeah guys guys guys you guys think you're so smart well if you're so smart god it is really sticky it's so hot in here Did you see my answer?

1:07:20Oh, well. It's okay, Andrew. I have a very special question just for you. Okay. Since you saw his answers. But for David and Marquez. Yes. Aero, Metro, and Fluent are three iterations of what tech companies design language? I was not going to get this. So seeing the answer does not matter. Well, Andrew, good for you. This was actually the second question I wrote because I didn't like the first one. Okay. So you can answer. Oh, okay. What was the first generation of the iPhone to have a pro model? Well, I want to answer that one too. No.

1:08:05I already know that as well. Pro? Yeah. Pro. I think I know. I haven't decided. Everyone can answer that question. I don't know. There's no rules. It's 90 % humidity in here. There's no rules. Then I'm going to copy Marques' answer. No, that's it. No, that is one of the rules. What's up? Welcome to my podcast about the rules of a trivia game that I made up. That was my notebook LLM voice impression. 10, 11. All right. David. Microsoft. Correct. iPhone 11 Pro. Also correct. I guess we're all answering. I just wrote 11 because you said. That's what I was looking for, baby. Yeah. I wrote Microsoft as well.

1:08:42All right. So two points for David and Marquez. One point for Andrew. Wait, wait. Mark has put 12. Wait, are we including that? Mark has put 12? Mark has put 12. Wow. You just assumed you got it right. Oh, man. I wish I got that. We'll wait till next week to take that point away from you. Did I just black out in the booth? I was like, oh, I put 11. Great. I should have put 11. Oh, my God. Cementing my lead. That is so sad. I thought that was an Andrew question, and now I just lost a point. That'll be erasing. Dang. quick update on the score after that big flounder fumble by marquez marquez was 21 andrew with 12 david with 25 21 you know it's bigger than 21 25 was it all right matthias duarte chilean american interface designer worked on a bunch of bangers like webOS and Hiptop, also at Google, worked on Android.

1:09:43What was the first version of Android that he worked on? That debuted on? That debuted on the Motorola Zoom tablet. So fun fact, the Motorola Zoom, it's spelled with an X, and it's actually pronounced Motorola Egg Zoom because it was released the same year that King Tut's sarcophagus was unearthed. Wait, Art. What? No, that's real, bro. That's real. I'm not making this up. Excellent. I didn't make up any of that. What does King Tut have to do with exhum? Exhumed. Like they exhumed the tomb. What does that mean? It means to unearth. Oh, okay. The more you know. Flip him and read. What do we got?

1:10:215.0 Honeycomb. Yeah, Honeycomb, but not five. Oh. What? What'd you say? Wait, then. Well. Don't worry. I'll explain. Andrew, what'd you say? I wrote six. Wrong. Okay. Marquez. It's Honeycomb. Correct. The number, when we think about the number. Was it 4.1? H-I. 4.0 is ice cream sandwich. Yeah. Was it 4.1? So H would be 3.2 maybe. It's 3. I'll give it to you. Or 3. All the 3s. Yeah. All the 3s are honeycomb. All the 4s are ice cream sandwich. Wait. So what's this? 5 was. No, no, no. Like what is this as a correct or incorrect answer? Because he got honeycomb. Yeah. But not 5.0. So could I just write 7 answers and if one of them.

1:11:02I told you to just guess. You did technically guess twice and you got one wrong. Yeah. That's two guesses. So if one's wrong and one's else. Remember I said I'd give one point for the version number and one point for the name. You did? Yeah. Wait, do I get two points? Yeah, you got two points for that. Wait, why? You didn't write it down. We didn't put the version. I didn't know that. Wait, you didn't put the version? No. Marques! Did you say that? I said that. No. If I had heard that, I would have written it down. 15 minutes earlier. I'll take both, but I'll give you an extra point if you get both.

1:11:34All right. I think we need it. Wait, wait, wait. Thanks for coming to this episode of the Notebook LLM podcast. Just kidding. Hey, well, thanks for listening to this episode. We hope it satisfied your prompt. Let us know if you want to have another discussion and just put in another prompt and we'll make another podcast about it. The prompt section is down there. It's disguised as a comment section, but it's just a prompt for the next LLM podcast. catch you guys next week peace we're from produced by Adam Molina and Ellis Rovin we're partnered with Vox Media Podcast Network and our traditional music was created by Vain Still bingo let's go

1:12:27now the word sanctiki is the meaning for one word that has that means two different things anyway this is how so there's a god the backstory is the lamest lore ever but there is youtube channels that are just pronunciation guides okay so if you're an english or uh english speaking second language you would find one of these channels and you'd find a hard to pronounce word and you go oh that's how you pronounce synecdoche so it would be a very official looking thumbnail like this and you click on it and then this is sign a kind of dody you in the future.

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